hmmm thats wierd
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warped jasper
chrome stirrup
@main epoch rejoin the harbor through coins till you get back into the instance with your grand heist portal. can take several tries
frosty aurora
how the hell does damage items work on heist dudes
like if i give magic dmg stones on karst
do i get spell dmg in the heist
or wut
or i should just chase zealotry and anger n crap like that
haste perhaps
still mural
the combat stuff only affects the rogue you equip it on, except for some mods which explicitly say they also affect you & the auras which obviously affect you @frosty aurora
looks like Karst, Nenet, and Isla use projectiles; Niles and Gianna use magic; Huck, Tibbs, Vinderi, and Tullina use melee
they can equip ones that don't actually give them any benefit from the intrinsic
frosty aurora
i see
aight ty
i never see them do any dmg
seems kinda redundant to w/e im wearing on em
still mural
depending on your build, they may not get the chance 😄
basically the combat slot is just another slot to roll mods on, IMO. there's some useful ones there, though I'm forgetting which ones exactly.
the rogue equipment is best used to get +lockdown time, IMO
acoustic scarab
wary smelt
the combat items are used to give ur character auras
each of the 3 has different auras
stuck horizon
from what i see without any equipment Vinderi,Huck and Tibb deal pretty decent damage and can one-shot any common enemy O_O
still mural
phasing is super helpful, yeah
weak meteor
1- on a heist, can I go out to the harbor to my stash, and come back?
2- in a grand heist, can I go to the harbor leave my loot, and finish the other areas ?
still mural
In a contract heist? No.
In a grand heist, theoretically yes, but right now it may put you into a different harbor instance which doesn't have your portal back in.
if you're in hc ssf or a private league, it's fairly safe (fewer players = fewer instances = less likely to wind up in the wrong instance & less tries needed to get back to the right one), but I wouldn't recommend it for softcore or trade leagues
ruby berry
@weak meteor I tried that in grand heist and I lose the portal .. so you cant, so far ( I dont know if GGG will make it possible later )
guys .. job exp affected by what? just area level or there is something else?
weak meteor
@ruby berry didn't GGG fix that ? Is something that happens only on grand heist?
abstract cave
when do i finally get a dang heist trinket?
violet nymph
from a grand heist
abstract cave
so never? lol
abstract cave
sure they arnt...
still mural
specifically a grand heist with the trinket/currency reward type
belated but @weak meteor they fixed it, but then folks couldn't leave their grand heists if their harbor instance was full, so they reverted the fix, so it's still un-fixed right now while they work out those issues
ruby berry
@weak meteor IDK about ggg, but I did that mistake before 30min from now.
still mural
@ruby berry afaik it's only affected by heist level, yeah
shy girder
how high of a level do you think you can get to with only doing heist to lvl?
lucid stone
Does anybody know what Forgotten Corpses do?
weak meteor
@still mural thanks I just read about it, lost 1/3 of my grand heist bc of that.
still mural
someone said it's corpses of mons from past league mechanics? @lucid stone
next epoch
where are you seeing "forgotten corpses" in game?
lucid stone
Alt quality desecrate
dull terrace
in heist its better to run or just to fight ?
quaint echo
vague glen
Is there a secret to avoid the sentry towers in a heist?
still mural
run fast
and learn to recognize the layout of the rooms that have them; it's pretty easy to spot. also they only show up in perception heists, if you didn't know.
vague glen
That I didn't know. Fails a wing in a grand heist because of those choads
Not to mad it just had a trinket room
runic rune
is grand heists crashes should i run them?
inland linden
does quant and rarity on heists affect chest loot? I guess not cuz it would be op, on the other hand with the low mob count there it seems fairly useless
jovial olive
Hello folks, so what grand heist can I run and what should i skip? Are specific reward rooms/followers bugged?
still mural
afaik the specific layout bugs have been fixed; the main remaining issues are some folks are still crashing & you can't reliably leave and return because it sends you to another harbor instance (unless you're in a small league, like hc ssf or private leagues)
stable saffron
did GGG fix repository door ?
still mural
yes
neat rover
was there patchless fix
for all the shit that was buggy in grand heist?
is it safe to do it now?
pliant stream
not yet. but i guess it depends on your luck. i did a few since leauge start and never crashed. but leaving the portal to stash stuff is still unsafe. and crashing seems to be a thing still too. if you read a few comments here, you see ppl still experiencing this
and as for buggy dors, i dont know. never happend to me, nor do i know if ppl still have the issue
neat rover
i had twice buggy doors that you couldnt open
in like 100 heists
regular ones
so that is not that bad
short canopy
what's the most efficient way to farm heist now
pliant stream
i guess, pick a reward type you like to gamble and then scale rouge equip in more time before lockdown and run the hell outta this chests:D
still mural
buggy doors was fixed with patchnotes, not without them 🤷
patent flame
Granted im still in yellow maps but I havent actually encountered any bugs besides sometimes lasers still being active after opening a door, but even that was only visual
I've run several grand heists as well and never encountered a bug that ruined it, I just haven't stepped out to stash my stuff in fear of losing the portal thats it
rigid stream
Thats what Happens to a Lot of people. Just a selected few have Major issues related to their drivers or setups
abstract pelican
anyone knows if revealed reward rooms in grand heist drop better stuff than the same rooms in regular heist?
still mural
I doubt it, but I can't say for certain
rigid stream
Yesish. They usually have 2x chests
native sonnet
it says on the bp what items u get from GH
alt q gems, replica etc
as for is it better or not, depends which ones u got/value more
abstract pelican
@native sonnet those are from end room only, not reward chests, no?
abstract pelican
ok
terse sinew
Considering that my rogues still get stuck on attacking enemies I dont really think drivers or setups are the culprit
I have crashed to desktop seven times today and only once aside from that in past month
still mural
idk why crashes would be related to rogues not doing their jobs, though?
rigid stream
I must be doing something really wrong or right?, i very rarely crash. Maybe... 10 Times in the Last 5 leagues combined?
void wing
Nah just hardware differences.
still mural
I do think the crashes are likely setup/hardware related. like stuff they changed for league launch interacting weirdly with some setups.
it's a constant battle for poe
rigid stream
Yea but i dont have an amazing Setup. At this Point i think people have very scuffed configurations, or are lying about their Setup and have extreme potatoes
still mural
🤷 it doesn't mean that folks who are crashing have bad setups
just not ones that ggg were able to test on
rigid stream
An i7 6700 and a 1060, which are fairly medium
void wing
It's not just about which hardware, but the combination and their specific pieces etc.
wet plaza
doesnt mean shit tbh its purely random who is affected from people i know
still mural
i mean it isn't gonna be purely random; there's something causing it
rigid stream
Usually, in many cases, people have a bad Driver Setups
rigid stream
And have some janky Hardware Booster active, or are running the latest drivers (please dont do that ever^^)
wet plaza
sorry but that is purely speculation
rigid stream
So far, from what i remember, many crashes across all leagues were related to GPU drivers changing some calls or the structure and Poe wasnt Accounting for that and crashed
void wing
Heist stability has been a massive disappointment considering it's a medium core mechanic.
rigid stream
And often GGG Had to contact the people who wrote the drivers
Cause they randomly deleted Features they needed without documenting them
still mural
idk why heist being mediumcore would affect stability either
void wing
It doesn't?
rigid stream
Did you try Vulcan/DX11 or Vice versa?
void wing
It's that a medium core mechanic becomes much worse with bad stability.
rigid stream
Faust
still mural
ahh, gotcha
rigid stream
I have Had poeple in Here that Crashed with DX11 Like mad and switched to Vulcan and all crashes disappeared. While they couldnt run Vulcan at all Last league
patent flame
I had very bad crashing issues in delirium, but in harvest and this league almost 0 issues. No change in hardware either
Just depends on the league it seems
void wing
And the jarring changes in loot balance haven't been nice either.
It's good the core mechanic is interesting.
jagged surge
I have lost several ex worth of loot due to random crashes in heist, performance is all time high tho.
sonic plinth
is it just me or are the totems in heist not taking dot damage?
still mural
sometimes the observer totem thingies don't take damage/aren't targetable, yeah
not sure if it's a bug
rigid stream
No
Your rogue has to Run Up to them First
And has to "activate" them
Usually Works fine but sometimes they chill around in a Corner fighting some dudes
still mural
ah, so that's it; good to know
rigid stream
They all have their own quirks, Like agility not having Doors on the way Out, or brute force stunning people behind Doors.
neat rover
GRAND HEIST BUGGED?
i revealed 3 wings
still didnt get achievement
and completed
all 3 wings
i spent 20k coins on this shit
restive geode
I just did some Heist now after having way too many contracts, rewards are pretty busted, right?
past badger
I haven't crashed once in heists, yet. Guess im just very lucky
Though haven't done any grand heists, savin that for when i KNOW it's working
still mural
what do you mean by busted? like, busted good or busted bad? 😄 @restive geode
I would recommend doing one grand heist with the trinkets/currency reward to unlock & get one trinket @past badger
restive geode
busted bad
still mural
kit your rogues with +%lockdown timer gear, and loot as many chests as you can from triggering the timer to getting the target item
restive geode
delirum orbs double in price in 1 day...
peak terrace
empys team looted two or three hh in a fully juiced up map and ppl went wild
ruby roost
its sad, this league... u cant go fast -> doors/u cant go slow -> soldiers/u cant go tanky, soldiers are fucking mini bosses/u cant go squishy build, u will be oneshotted
bugged league, all builds unfriendly, now not rewarding/too high risk, also empty maps
shut quarry
dunno my build works great, only i can't run above lvl 70 heists without crash, so no idea if that could work
mild nacelle
anyone else gotten stuck in vault doors? i just had to relog because my character got stuck, couldnt move or use spells, so i couldnt dash out of it. Only thing i thought to try that actually worked was relogging
violet nymph
do orbs of alchemy/transmutation affect chest drops in heists
restive geode
you mean making them rare? they get quantity in them with some mods so technically yes but not sure it's super worth it
still mural
that's a bug I thought they said they fixed... may be worth posting in the bug forums so they know it isn't @mild nacelle
it might only affect monster drops & not chests, like blighted maps, but I'm not sure that we know for certain. makes them a lot more dangerous, though, so I wouldn't make em rare. @violet nymph
zealous gale
Is Huck good at anything skill-wise, or is he just in the game for his buffs?
he seems to have a maximum of 3 in everything
still mural
yeah, he maxes out at 3 in each skill, so he's really just for the combat buffs @zealous gale
@noble junco still bugged
rapid shell
Where to Mansion contracts / blueprints drop? Did over 200 contracts, tons of maps and never seen one of these so far
still mural
I'm pretty sure it's random and mansion just has a low droprate
noble junco
always get shit curios
eager terrace
mansion is definitely bugged
they'll basically stop dropping once you get out of story acts
rapid shell
Really?!
spice cipher
not for me
rapid shell
Reddit and friends said it's the only / most profitable grand heist to run
eager terrace
I dunno about the grand heist version
but the regular contracts for mansion are not dropping normally
rigid stream
Why would mansion be the only profitable
rapid shell
im 93
eager terrace
there's nothing special about them
something is just wrong with their drop rate
higher level ones do exist so I'm not sure exactly what the issue is
like if you search area level 69 and up
you'll get over 10k results on laboratory
and ~760 for mansion in trade league
rigid stream
Maybe its Just treated as low lvl base
modest yoke
Soo, after week I went to try heist after changes.
Client crashed after 3 minutes.
cunning yoke
Can parties heist together?
velvet palm
yes
twin fjord
Is there a cheat sheet for best items for allies? I can't even tell which of these people are melee or not
velvet palm
it is supposedly balanced to give more loot so it can be split among party members
if it's not bugged to shit, that is 
faint pebble
Some mob in heists keep breaking templar sanctuary
lyric shuttle
nimble socket
it costs markers to reveal wings
shell turtle
What’s the current rate?
little crow
when you do a grand heist do you get to do all three rooms?
leaden river
So where do you get the trinkets?
compact elm
can I leaVE a Grand Heist to put in stash now, or that instance bug still eating portals?
distant osprey
can you still not safely leave grand heists without l osing your portal?
or is that fixed now?
little crow
you lose it
i took an early escape and lost my other two paths, what a quality league
not that the other two paths would have given me anything worth a damn it seems
compact elm
hmm, wonder how those massive teams of people were farming grand heists then....
maybe they were swapping items to stack on teammates? the currencies
little crow
heist seems like a massive waste of time
i havent gotten a reward worth anything so far
velvet palm
it do be like that
pliant sapphire
jaunty mica
can someone tell me how I can get points to reveal wings in a blueprint?
fierce plank
when this game will be fixed these "an unexpected errors" are getting on many nerves lately
is there a way to play league mechanic and not hiit by disconnect ? what should I do ? is there something like - pre quest or ?
cursive widget
heists are GREAT for currency lol
especially grand heists
id argue heist is probably the most rewarding league yet
except maybe delirium of course
spice stone
It can be quite the moneymaker. I think I’m around 10 or 12 raw ex so far from it
There’s a lot of garbage in there too though, takes a bit to get into it.
cunning blade
@jaunty mica you do contracts with the members like gianna
each contract done with them gives u one blueprint reveal i think
violet nymph
real quick question cuz im sure its been asked a million times
doom gives 1% curse effect up to a base cap of 30 stacks, yeah?
does blasphemy count as self casting
does bane count as self casting
midnight phoenix
no and no
sterile fulcrum
I have yet to see any difference from heists and grand heists except the end item
And that you normally can’t get all reward chests from grand heists
midnight phoenix
na u can
sterile fulcrum
and that they cost like 8k coins.
midnight phoenix
the thing to understand in grand heists is that u get to stack 3 rogues instead of 1
with all the rogue items and bonuses
so u either stack alert reduction down to some super low number
sterile fulcrum
yeah sometimes they don’t line up like you need em to
midnight phoenix
or stack time before alert up to some super high number
theres pretty much always some combination of rogues and items that lets u get all the big chests and most of the little ones
sterile fulcrum
Do you change your items often ?
midnight phoenix
yes
sterile fulcrum
o
midnight phoenix
well not OFTEN often
but i do check before every grand heist whether each wing comp makes sense
sterile fulcrum
ah okay thanks for that tip
midnight phoenix
good items really help as well
with reduced alert level or flat +seconds before lockdown
nimble fiber
is there a reason why when I went to my grand ehist my alert just randomly increased by 40% while running
cursive widget
lmao its gonna take so much currency to make something good with that
rocky nebula
Nah just use gem fossils
cursive widget
gem fossils?
violet nymph
faceted
abstract cave
and crashed another heist...if they dont fix the crashes then they need to mechanically change it so we atleast keep the heist/loot...
bold basalt
midnight phoenix
@nimble fiber perception grand heists have little totems that activate when ur team gets close and spam a alert increasing skill
either kill them or zoom past them, theyre always in one particular kind of room
twin fjord
It's so stupid they didn't give you a way to search for the skill in this UI
midnight phoenix
if u hang around in that kind of room opening chests and whatever u get a shitton of alert
tight bolt
I have a question, for heists with stuff like blight and delirium and what not, can you get the league specific uniques from chests as well as the other odds and ends?
nimble fiber
ah okay thanks
cobalt falcon
Is there any tricks to know what the reward grand heist?
Searching for replica reward, not alt or bases
violet nymph
it will specifically say replica uniques at the top
thick tiger
is there a specific order you get npcs? i’ve been stuck on 5 total for the last week
thick tiger
nenet
nenet, isla, then the 3 down the left side
that’s it
i’m missing over half of the npcs
somber wigeon
Try taking Huck on a lab contract. Idk why, but it's a somewhat common problem
somber wigeon
Oh, I think I got Huck when I was on a Tibbs contract.
thick tiger
i got Isla on Karst, Tullina on TIbbs, Nenet on Tullinas
thick tiger
okay, ill run differnt karst missions till i get huck then
somber wigeon
Yeah, I just unlocked two characters in a row. It looks like you just keep running the last one you got to unlock all of them.
thick tiger
turns out i didnt run karst on perception yet, and thats how i got huck
coral garden
@twin fjord theres a search function.....
still mural
initially it didn't work super well; it only searched the current tab you were showing. but now it works like searching a maps tab, where it'll highlight tabs that contain results
but yeah, you can totally search by skill
split nexus
Greetings folks, i'm a little late and haven't really played in a few seasons. have any of the typical starter builds from the likes of Ziz or .... anyone else still making media actually viable now that the season has been out for a while?
I would prefer to pick a build that can go all the way to end game. historically there have been starters for new skills that fell flat. Just wondering what the correct state is.
still mural
I believe one of the steel skills (lancing? not sure) is decent to good, flame wall is good, and the rest of the new skills are mediocre, as far as league starters go (hexblast ignite can be good once you invest into it, but it's not all that friendly a starter)
you can check out #build-guides for some suggestions from league start
split nexus
will do
still mural
for the heist mechanic in particular, you want a way to boost your movement speed or a good movement skill to speed up running around, especially a movement skill that doesn't deal damage, and you want a way to deal with mobs crowded in a doorway you have to get through - something like (for example) Caustic Arrow that you can fire through and let it thin the crowd while you duck to the side, or a source of phasing or longer/multi-charge travel skill (most that can go through enemies work for this) to just run past them, or void sphere to pull mobs through to kill them on this side of the door, or decoy totem... there's a lot of options, but you need something along those lines
melee builds have struggled with the league mechanic, I believe, unless they're especially tanky
split nexus
i always end up quitting a season once i feel like i need a different character. the prospect of going through 10 acts again is painful
kindred dragon
you should have levelling gears tho, so it'll make it a lot more enjoyable
I am a 1 build per league type of person as well, but I picked a pretty bad build this league!
still mural
personally I've been playing TR/CA trickster and it's been solid, as usual
split nexus
i think i also pick a bad build. so that's why im trying to get an idea of what has been relatively proven so far.
kindred dragon
which build did you pick, and what's your play style?
split nexus
i think the most fun i have had in this game ever was when i played spectral throw a while ago. then the poets pen build was awesome
i have not started the season yet.
looking for recommendations that are not conceptual like most of the pre season streamer builds
valid mist
I'm doing a Red Trail Slayer Flicker build w/ Kitava's Thirst at the moment, feels pretty good. Only doing t10s but it's very fast and pretty safe. Should scale up decently too.
Respecced from Champion Terminus Est at uber lab completion.
split nexus
i dont think i have done flicker in a couple of years. could be fun
kindred dragon
I am doing a trickster divine ire + discharge build. I didn't read the description of swift killer properly.
valid mist
Biggest investment was the Kitava's Thirst as a 5l6s for 45c. Rest of gear is like 1c rares.
split nexus
anything new this season thats performing really well?
kindred dragon
IMO, the best saving grace for me was playing in SSF. I am forced to make use of what's available, so the build has been quite a nice learning curve.
valid mist
TE Champ clears fine but bosses are a bit iffy, at least the version I had. Running pure phys w/ impale scale.
It actually does more theoretical DPS but the frenzy charges are unreliable.
split nexus
thats exactly what i do every season. i pick a toon thats fast. i like fast. but then i get ot a point where i cant kill end game bosses. i can typically get to shaper and then i think to make a toon for boss killing. then half way through leveling it. i loose interest and quit playing
so i need a build. it doesnt need to be "starter" i can make it work
valid mist
This may be shaper capable. Is 2mil DPS still the standard benchmark?
split nexus
ive only killed shaper a couple of times so i dont know.
last time i got to elder and killed him.
still mural
oh, if you haven't played in a while, you might not know: the atlas has changed again
split nexus
uhh... when did that new boss from the orbs from the atlas come out? That guy stomped me
still mural
then you've done the new atlas; ignore me 😄
valid mist
Shaper and Elder were soooooo much more interesting
I don't mind the orbs even if they're kinda janky.
marsh monolith
I like the new system better. More predictable
valid mist
But I really dislike the narrative change. It's also way, way too fucking meta.
And again, just a lot less interesting to me.
split nexus
im happy to be able to maintain late tier maps with the new system
valid mist
I miss the Shaper's badass voice t-t
kindred dragon
before, the shaper/elder gears were everywhere. Nowaday, it so scarce
split nexus
ok. so PE Champ has been recommended. something about steel was mentioned.
valid mist
New conquerer stuff has some ridiculous mods
somber wigeon
What triggers the barber to reset his inventory?
valid mist
Shaper/Elder did too I guess
marsh monolith
I haven't tried them but people were dumping all over the new steel skills on reddit.
kindred dragon
level up @somber wigeon
I missed the conquerer of the atlas, metamorph, blight and the smokey league. So lots to catch up on when going back lol...
valid mist
I missed errything after Blight
Sorry, Synthesos
So have a whole lot of mew mechanics to play ar I around with
And jesus christ the powercreep lol
unique orbit
Did I miss another heist change? Some reason in my last grand heist the alert bar went up past half without even opening a chest
marsh monolith
There are totems that will spot you and raise it, if you missed killing it fast.
unique orbit
Is it a map mod or just the zone?
valid mist
Perception skill requirement I think?
still mural
^
valid mist
If the contract has perception they'll be there
unique orbit
Ah ok. So perception heists kinda suck then lol
valid mist
So basically perception contracts are shit I guess, lol
still mural
perception heists (including grand heists) will have alert totems (different names depending on tileset)
perception contracts are the only ones that give prophecies, though, which are awesome
there's a distinctive look to the map/minimap layout for the bits with the totems; once you learn that you can spot them ahead of time
unfortunately there's not much counterplay to them rn; you can't harm them until your npc goes and does a thing to make them targetable, and even then they take forever to die, so IMO best option is just to run past as quick as you can and try not to backtrack through that area
unique orbit
im playing as braindead of a build as i can this league so ill probably just avoid perception maps for now lol
still mural
it's just something to remember when you do go into perception heists
especially grand heists
jagged surge
I hope they add exp to heists... running 20 lvl 80+ contracts dont even give half a bar at lvl 90
split nexus
is path of building broken? i have updated it and all links im trying to pull in give me this...
well i cant paste pictures.. whatever
still mural
look into path of building community fork
updates to the new stuff a lot faster since it's more devs, basically
split nexus
Thanks. fixed that.
Vortex or Specter?
tacit pumice
how do you unlock kurai to put heist equipment on her? i just noticed lockpicks can be equipped to her but i dont have her in my allies equipment list
next epoch
@tacit pumice As far as we know, she's only used for certain unique heists, which don't appear to be drop-enabled yet.
shadow thistle
Biggest takeaway from the league for me, “you know too much!”. It’s engrained into my head
livid pecan
i have an item that can be worn by adiyah -- how do i give it to her
next epoch
Same deal as Kurai, read up a few lines
toxic pine
she does, she increases time before lockdown
but it's bugged and doesn't show right now
toxic pine
yeah, it still works
gentle kayak
ok cool t y
also, running my first grand heist, im assuming it has same mechanics as the heist contracts? (i.e. raise alert level by opening stuff. hit the final target and find extraction point)?
question 2: can I dump my inventory at "extraction point"?
still mural
Yes, each wing is like its own heist, but the target item instead of being just for markers, is the reward the blueprint specifies
there's not a stash at the extraction point, if that's what you mean
gentle kayak
won't my inventory become swollen?
still mural
yep 🙃
still mural
we're supposed to be able to leave, access the stash, and re-enter, but currently it's buggy and sends you to another harbor instance, and it's difficult to get back to the instance with your portal
gentle kayak
wtf ggg...
still mural
they're working on it
gentle kayak
ok
thx. so ur advice to me as a noob? just play through the whole thing and not touch any portals/stashes?
still mural
personally, I'm saving them for when they fix that + some other issues
I would definitely run one with the trinket/currency type to get a trinket, though
since that boosts your contract heists
but if you run them, yeah, I wouldn't try to leave & come back; run them like a couple normal heists in a row that you don't get to stash between. can pick stuff up from one wing and decide what to keep and what to drop before starting the next wing. I'm not sure how reliably you get to go back to the extraction point "lobby" so I wouldn't count on being able to pick stuff you drop there back up later.
don't feel like you have to reveal all the reward rooms; just get the good ones. and don't bother revealing additional exits if they aren't significantly closer to the target room than the default one.
gentle kayak
Cool. Great info, great advice. Thanks.
Is something like this what you're tlaking about @still mural
still mural
Yep! that'll have a statue to unlock your trinket slot, and two or three trinkets to choose from, in the final room
of each wing, if you reveal the other wings
still mural
for the record, I scienced a bit: ran two contracts with Nenet (while she was level 3 in perception): both contracts the same zone level, one required perception lvl 1, other required perception lvl 3. both white, no mods. both gave her the same XP. so job xp is not based at all on the required job lvl; just on zone level. (and potentially mods; didn't check that.)
frigid venture
Are grand heists safe to run yet or are the round reward doors still bugged?
cursive widget
ive been running them, but after each heist within the grand heist, I take all my loot out and put it on the ground and go into the next one, then if there is too much loot, I just pick the most valuable loot out of the total and then exit because you cant get back in afterwards
rigid stream
Thats Not entirely true
cursive widget
ive tried twice to go back to the harbor to stash my loot and twice I havent been able to get back in, so im not risking it
rigid stream
You will be missplaced into a different instance if you Play on a large Gateway, you can find it Back by leaving and reentering the harbor
cursive widget
yeah but who knows how many instances are running in a gateway
also if you are in the heist for over 15 minutes, your instance is gone
rigid stream
People say it doesnt take too long find it usuaally
cursive widget
and usually grand heists take over 15 mins
rigid stream
Sure, leaving stuff in the Main hub is safer
feral nymph
hi, how do you do this one?
isn't enchance support and 23% qual gem isn't gonna cut it?
void wing
You can get + levels to enhance and there are a couple uniques that can put you over 40 as well.
feral nymph
ah i see, tyty!
eager terrace
yeah job XP is only dependent on area level
map rarity / job requirement have no impact
civic stone
what are the people that i want to run/level up first
coral garden
Whatever u wanna run first lol
marsh monolith
Just make sure to save the lvl 1 ones for people that are lower level. Don't use a lvl 1 on like a lvl 3 person
still mural
You can safely skip Huck (once you've gotten him to bring Niles along, at least)
otherwise, each rogue has their niche
still mural
still the worst of the lot
and hard to justify bringing along, unless you're having trouble with killing stuff/surviving I guess
rigid stream
ye
halcyon veldt
does Gianna generate reveals when she takes part in a Blueprint mission?
strong mesa
is there a list what items are best for which rogue?
rigid stream
which chests does vinderi double, the small ones, or the big ones?
frigid holly
I still seem to get fairly frequent crsahes when I exit a heist (regular contract) - maybe 1 time in 10 or so? Is that the general experience?
still mural
hm, his perk just says "heist chests," so it may be all of them. "reward chests" is specifically the big ones.
there's no effect to indicate when it's been doubled, though. and idk if it's that it then drops 2 of everything, or if it rolls another set of drops.
@strong mesa not really. in general, +%lockdown time and +flat lockdown time are the best mods. for their brooch, you ideally want them to duplicate one or more of the reward chests they can actually open, so you'd look at the list of which jobs have which rewards. for the combat items, Karst/Nenet/Isla use projectiles, Niles/Gianna use magic, and Huck/Tibbs/Vinderi/Tullina use melee, but also keep in mind that the different combat types can roll different auras, so you may want to ignore the intrinsic and focus on which auras you want.
strong mesa
Thanks 🙂
still mural
Vinderi also benefits from reduced alert level, since he inherently increases alert level
and I guess Tullina would benefit a bit more than the others from the +target item marker value mod
shut quarry
i just notice how people praise the heist speech and talk. am i the only one who deactivates these for performance anyway?
coral garden
Yes because not everyone runs poe on potatoes
shut quarry
No need fur such an unfriendly answer, mister have it all.
halcyon veldt
gianna does not get additional reveals from doing blueprints
ember hill
that wasn't really an unfriendly answer but ok
keen sundial
so guys im just now interacting with heist so im following grimro spread sheet it says karst is good is this still true after patches?
still mural
I don't think that spreadsheet has been updated
I'm not sure Karst is really better than Nenet or Tullina now
keen sundial
oh ok ok thanks
still mural
he's still good, just not as good as he used to be
keen sundial
i leveled him to 4 i should just continue lol
still mural
🤷 I mean I'm aiming to max all of them, personally
keen sundial
yep im just leveling good people so i could try the grand heist one
i also have a cloak thats well rolled reduced alert from opening chest thing
steel tree
rip 15k coins
quaint spear
did they bring back the alarm raising if you kill mobs thing?
cause it's going up for me if I kill some of them
either that or im unaware of some mechanics
shut quarry
there are alert towers in on type... i think perception
rigid stream
If you get Close to.them the rogue will Aggro and kill them
quaint spear
thanks!
faint pebble
why arent rogue markers auto picked up like tanes monster parts are?
shut quarry
bc we had to complain a long time until that happend for tanes body parts
faint pebble
simple solution to that isnt there
rigid stream
Yea to Ban the whiners from social media
faint pebble
yeah god forbid people discuss changes to a game they love, how dare they
rigid stream
Nah its people wanting more Zoom zoom
You can have a Deal, 50% less MS and AS, in Return Markers Auto pickup
faint pebble
oh do you work at GGG?
rigid stream
Totally, thats why my Name is red
pastel token
Afaik smuggler's den is the only grand heist that rewards trinket's right? Do all of the different locations have unique loot to them?
or like specific loot rather
high cliff
just wanna say, dont do grand heist, still bugged
pastel token
yeah i don't plan on it. I really don't enjoy heists. I was just wondering where the replica uniques came from
if it was a specific heist or just any of them
tried looking it up but it just said "from grand heists" or whateer
valid mist
Grand heists reward special bases, replica uniques, or alternate quality skill gems. Honestly this could be one of the best leagues with some of the most interesting stuff if it wasn't so fucking buggy.
Oh and probably a few other things I haven't seen.
high cliff
in terms of rewards im fine, not super op not that bad, but 3rd grand heist i cant fully complete cause they cant fix the escape room
violet nymph
Don't grand heists have more than one escape route?
Or are you getting the bug where you don't have an escape portal after leaving?
twin fjord
Have they fixed grand heists yet?
cedar wigeon
Where do you sell contracts?
low gyro
I love the random invisible mines with 20k dmg in heists so much fun dying without any way to avoid them
coral garden
If u didnt play a grand heist with your eyes closed u would quickly realise the revealed exit doesnt lead to the portal out
still mural
...you don't? @cedar wigeon
cedar wigeon
why? they are not worth doing
violet nymph
idk, I got a pretty decent 5-link leveling rare from a grand heist earlier today. Makes me think as long as they don't bug out, they can be good
velvet palm
As long
still mural
you don't get anything for vendoring them (if that's even possible, idk) so your only option is to sell to other players
and if you think they aren't worth doing idk why you think other players would buy them
cedar wigeon
maybe they want to run them, but maps are better for getting rich
still mural
(but if you're wanting to sell to other players, the usual ways all work fine 🤷 )
valid isle
i have not had a grand heist bug on me yet
the only issue i have seen seems to be the portal bug
so im still able to run all four wings and pick what is the most valuable and then leave
still sucks i cant take everything i want, but its still a net gain
normal token
How do you get more reveals? I'm running contracts with Gianna where the reward says I get a reveal, but no reveals. Is it just a % chance?
nvm, searched the answer
rare ivy
anyone know what the best type of heist is for exaltes?
dreamy pike
so i did a grand heist with all 3 wings revealed and brought over 6 thieves with me and didnt get either of the challenge completions for either of those......is it bugged?
violet nymph
No
crisp tree
lockpicking
violet nymph
The technology just isn't there yet
rigid stream
It worked for me, i got the achievement a week ago 
valid isle
i did one grand heist with all 9
for shenanigans
was disapointed there was no special interaction for bringing the whole army
agile onyx
Is there a benefit to running heist with more than one person
jagged surge
can carry more loot
native sonnet
they can pickup ur loot in case u die
vapid nova
where do i unlock my trinket slot?
undone island
i see streamers confidently leaving grand heists to clean inventory and their portal stays but when i do it the portal gone. Am i missing something?
valid isle
its not consistent
its a bug that results in losing your portal
id say its a good 50/50
undone island
the only 100% way that works if you die after you complete a wing
only worth if you just leveled
toxic pine
most streamers play ssfhc, where the playerbase is much smaller so the number of possible instances of the harbor is much smaller
weak jetty
quest based heists still have roaming packs with one shot potential even after they "fixed" it. sigh.
rigid stream
Heists beeing rippy is unrelated to what they changed
neat rover
how do you find new gems with alternative quality on trade?
twin fjord
So how is rogue exp gained? Is it from using their job in a contract, or is it simply contract level
light adder
Under misc is a gem quality type filter @neat rover
next epoch
Sure you can
next epoch
It doesn't specifically call out the alternate quality effect on the trade site, but it is displayed
(I've selected the text for the alt quality effect, it doesn't look like that normally)
Or if you just want a list of all the alt quality effects, there's https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2936122
The announcement gives the alternate qualities numbers instead of names. Alt quality 1 is Anomalous, 2 is Divergent, 3 is Phantasmal
neat rover
yeah
but how do i find gems with alternative effect that i am interested in?
wait nvm, i have to go on this page and just look myself
i got it now, ty, sorry for wasting your time
twin fjord
These number don't make sense
next epoch
I think the experience is cumulative across levels
like, level 4 was at roughly 2,000 experience, so at 5,150 you're now 39% of the way from 2,000 to 10,000
twin fjord
Ahh, gotcha
mild nacelle
anyone else just getting insta killed on heists? Heist level 5 or so below mine, i can manage the entire thing up until i grab objective. and then out the first door and i cant even walk through without getting instakilled.
twin fjord
Are you rolling rippy mods? Heists are rippy on their own, but those contract mods can be dangerous.
mild nacelle
rippy? im fairly new to poe
valid mist
Since you're saying you're new I'm guessing your build is also probably a tad lacking
Direct levels aren't the biggest indicator of power.
twin fjord
Yes to rip is to die, RIP. If you're new do you have maximum resistances (76%+) and are you following a guide or making your own build? There are also several ground mechanics that can be dodged.
valid mist
And Heist mobs are some of the strongest in the game at the moment
rigid stream
You can also easily get killed by mobs 20 lvls below you, thats not uncommon^^
they will stand in formation and shoot 20 attacks at you
or have dangerous mines up
valid mist
If you open a door thry've set up behind and just try to walk through it you're probably getting splatted by 10 lightning spears.
twin fjord
Hehe yea, so move off to the side and try to use a movement skill to get through or send in some pewpew.
rigid stream
dash or flamedash
mild nacelle
I do try that, im currently running a shadow with mostly poison spells
but its like i can tank a group of enemies, then something changes and i just get melted, i hardly even have time to see what changed
next epoch
Try using Withering Step.
It's really good for your situation, because it grants you attack/spell dodge, phasing, and makes enemies take additional chaos damage
twin fjord
Yes, withering step is amazing. If you use it, casting any ability will cancel it so keep that in mind. It took me a bit to get used to at first because I kept canceling it early.
mild nacelle
Herald of Agony + Infernal Legion Support + Lesser Multiple Projectiles Support
Plague Bearer
Cobra Lash + Volley Support + Lesser Poison Support To charge Both above
Siphoning Trap and Vitality to help with survivability
Essense Drain + Contagion + Void Manipulation Support to help heal
everything else is just meh stuff, most of my armor buffs max health and max mana
rigid stream
dont use infernal legion on Hoag, thats a waste. Also you are mixing two playstyles. I would reccomend to use either ED/contgaion or Hoag/Cobralash
because while they are both chaos dots, they scale sort of differently
mild nacelle
I dont have too many other options, its just what fit in the slots i had, i only just hit act 3
rigid stream
As poisons scale with weapons and edcontagion with spell dmgs
next epoch
Not all poisons scale with weapons… (Poison BV gang checking in.)
mild nacelle
so i should focus on gems that deal direct poison instead of chaos?
idk if thats the right phrasing either
and would void manip buff the regular poison?
barren crescent
there is no such thing as poison dmg
all poison is chaos
but not all chaos is poison
mild nacelle
that's been confusing me... and will continue to do so
barren crescent
poison is the ailment that deals chaos dmg over time.
mild nacelle
so chaos is a damage, while poison is the ailment that causes chaos damage?
barren crescent
yes. There are 3(4) main categories of dmg types.
Physical
Elemental(fire/Cold/Lightning)
Chaos
(Reflect, we ignoring this)
all of your things will end up dealing at least 1 of those categories of dmg
Poison ailment, will always be dealing chaos dmg.
mild nacelle
@rigid stream why not use Infernal Legion on Hoag? it doesnt drain its health, so i thought "free fire damage"
rigid stream
yes thats correct
however, it increases reservation quite a bit
and you cannot scale infernal legion that well
mild nacelle
reservation?
rigid stream
so its not very optimal to use that support
Hoag blocks a part of your mana
thats called reservation
mild nacelle
So it'd be better to just use Minion Damage Support?
rigid stream
Or vicious projectiles
mild nacelle
i dont have access to that yet, i dont think
mild nacelle
lemme take a gander
rigid stream
you should be able to buy it from yena? if not, you can buy it in act 3 after you helped sarosa
mild nacelle
I checked act 2 and 3, not there
mild nacelle
yeah, looks like im a few quest before that,currently at the bottom of the tower
rigid stream
in the library
daring atlas
Can someone explain to me what the Focal stones do?
faint pebble
buff the rogues dmg i think
dense drift
Is it weird to not have seen a heist "box" in like 20 maps?
coral garden
No
terse sinew
They are pretty rare
uneven raven
is there a spreadsheet with the value in markers of the heist targets?
next epoch
@uneven raven They aren't fixed values. It'll tell you when you plan out the contract though
@dense drift 20 maps is a bit long but not out of the question. It's a 1 in 10 chance for map areas
uneven raven
they mostly are tho?
they barely change between levels
its mostly the base item thats worth more or less
verbal crest
man, i decided to make a character specifically for heist and leave my cyclone slayer for maps and bossing. Spent the last 5 days leveling and gearing it and running heists with it for the first time tonight, omg it was so worth it lol
still mural
The base values are probably on poedb somewhere, if you nose around @uneven raven
what build? @verbal crest
verbal crest
@still mural HOT Assassin Autobomber. I literally just run and click chests, passively kill mobs so they dont distract the NPCs, get big movement speed on kill, and just run to the exit after the alarm and blow up the screen. Just big quality of life upgrade
verbal crest
Herald of Thunder
still mural
(I read that as heal over time and I was like ??? )
verbal crest
The theory is that heists are much more simple if you can ignore mobs
turns out its true lol
dense drift
can you still not use the portal mid-grand heist without risking it disappearing?
primal whale
Yay.. the bots are back
supple root
Have any of you guys used tinkerer’s orbs and gotten divergent or phantasmal gems? Or only anomalous?
north crow
Do blueprint and contract drop rates go up in red maps. In yellow I feel like I'm seeing a contact every 5 maps and no blueprints at all
valid mist
Aurobombers seem so boring to me. xd
Like I know normal builds aren't always the most interactive things in the world but gee
shut quarry
ok i thing i figured it... the alert level is my cpu temperature and the heist mobs attack that more than my char, because that's the weak spot of my build and their best chance to stop me. very intriguing!
verbal crest
pog, lots of great updates in the latest anouncement
sharp iron
I didn't know Observer Totems were a thing until now (was in act 4 last I played). So does being Stealthy actually give benefits in higher level heists and in blueprints when those totens start showing up?
shut quarry
they only shop up in 1 type of heist
sharp iron
Alright
opal nacelle
Our current plan is to increase the value of various reward types, such as Generic, Talismans, Metamorph and Harbinger. Talismans KEKW
sharp iron
Because my biggest problem with the Leauge was that after the removal of gaining Alert from killing monsters, there didn't feel like any point to actually being stealthy.
But those Observer Totems do seem to encourage actual stealth from the sounds of it.
shut quarry
true, it took a lot flair. but anyway i killed 95% of the monster before because many are so close anyway
sharp iron
I haven't done a Blueprint yet and am not very far into progression in general though.
shut quarry
you should try to do a blueprint with the rogue quest, to get a trinket
if you got one: leave right away
sharp iron
I'll do that this week.
shut quarry
i have one with sth like 4-6% quantity, thats awesome
verbal crest
honestly the loot is not the exciting thing in this patch
the biggest changes are fewer doors and smaller heists
it will make the heists less tedious and faster
might actually be able to compete with maps now
terse sinew
@verbal crest but there are SCARABS IN CHESTS!!!
so that you can not engage in heist after engaging in heist
!
verbal crest
lol
shut quarry
"Fixed a bug where Elemental Overload would not show its buff timer."
Great. So i spent hours to make it work just to find out it's a display bug.
verbal crest
dude, on I am this close to slamming some of my trinkets lol
verbal crest
trinkets was a bad choice
still mural
😛
still mural
eh, I'd wait and see how the changes to lockdown timer stacking work before doing much rogue gear crafting rn
verbal crest
well like brooches there isnt much any of that would change
still mural
@sharp iron observer totems spawn in specific rooms in perception heists (you can identify them on the map overlay from the layout if you're paying attention). the totems can't be targeted until your rogue does an animation to make them targetable. they raise alert if you stand near them. the ways to deal with them currently are either to try to kill them from a distance, or very quickly, which is difficult because your rogue may not reveal them & they're quite tanky; or to just run past them as fast as you can, which is far easier and kinda lame.
verbal crest
like I have a brooch with tier 1 duplicate currency, and tier 1 quality of items and another suffix and I REALLY want to slam it to try and hit item Quantity
sharp iron
I see
still mural
but like right now, I want %lockdown on literally every piece of rogue gear. the next patch may change that. @verbal crest
verbal crest
i mean, thats a prefix on a brooch, I could hit that too
still mural
yeah, but if I'm crafting for right now, I wouldn't be slamming a brooch that didn't already have that mod
altspam to get that mod + another semi-decent one (or just any other one if I'm lazy/short on currency), then regal, then potentially slam
but since they're changing it (and I really appreciate the heads up they gave us on that), not worth spending the slam
verbal crest
but you cant even find tier 1 duplicate currency and tier 1 quality on the same brooch. Tier 1 quant is less than .9% weighting and tier 1 duplicate currency is .8%
so hitting lockdown increase or quant would just make it a god tier brooch
my goal is to have a full set of gear maximizing currency gains and reduced alert from opening chests because I have a regal -> exalt trinket so I just want to spam as much currency as I can
also
cloaks
impossible to find good rolls of reduced alert on chest opening and chance to not raise alert on chest opening on the same item
thats another big chase combo
and them upgrading my trinket to 4% to exalt will be....pricy
eager terrace
my current trinket is 2% regal to exalt, 4% transmute to chaos
I am not convinced the exalt one applies to chests
verbal crest
I mean
its impossible for me to tell for sure
but I have dropped multiple exalts from chests in heist
so it could be me being lucky
or it could be proof it works
eager terrace
I have 1 exalt from ~100 contracts since getting mine
verbal crest
impossible to tell for sure
eager terrace
which produced something like 250 regals
verbal crest
I mean, if it didnt work with chests what would be the point of it?
eager terrace
dunno if it’s meant to and just doesn’t
but given the amount of regals it’s kinda unlikely I went 1/5th or so the average and also got 0 natural exalt drops in that span
the alternative is that having both on the same trinket is bugged
like if one happens the other can’t
but it’s harder for me to guess the rate of natural chaos
versed roost
Can I still open chests and get the final item in a heist if I max out the alert level?
verbal crest
and I KNOW for sure things are getting dropped identified from chests
void wing
What's the % on that?
verbal crest
so I think that shows that it SHOULD work on things dropped from chests
eager terrace
yeah I agree
verbal crest
@versed roost yes there is a timer after you trigger the alarm and each chest you open after the alarm sounds will decrease the timer by 1 second
eager terrace
I wonder if two affixes can proc on the same event
versed roost
alright ty
verbal crest
@void wing 7%
void wing
eager terrace
because if not it would explain this trinkets returns
violet nymph
So is it true that contracts and blueprints steal the roll of a normal map drop, and why I can't oversustain white maps on a 154/154 , A7 Atlas with my target map 3x favourited?
uneven mason
No idea, but I'm definitely having troubles sustaining my map pool with my usual atlas strategy
verbal crest
unless you have some proof that contracts eat your map drops
I have pictorial proof
rigid stream
I also have Proof that wisdom Scrolls eat my exalt Drops
I have 500 wisdom scroll.drops per map but 0 exalts
violet nymph
@copper kernel It's speculation, but very very believable. What else can explain me doing 20x 110+ quant T3 Cemeteries juiced up and getting back 4 Cemeteries and 4 Academies, but 35 or so contracts? On a 154/154 atlas with A7, and Cemetery being 3x favourited. lol
Like it has to be a joke
strong grail
They are forcing you to run those heists! Stay away from maps!
stuck horizon
Grand heist 11k coin use 3 wing
Got bunch of fusing and 2 junk rare item :/
Starting to hate Heist than Harvest
stuck horizon
Enchanted armor and wand but the mod are bad like wand with add damage (not to spell) and res
Armor with no blue enchanted
Not a single replicas
void wing
Grand heist tells you what the potential rewards are 
rigid stream
You can also Swap the enchants with the tailoring orbs
quasi fulcrum
necroscientists are doing a huge amount of damage to me, even when they are on low level hiests
violet nymph
any of the heist reward room/chest can drop Divine Vessel? got 3 char to 85, 1 to 92 and only one divine vessel drop btw them
still mural
I've definitely gotten one, but it was as one of the, like, misc rewards that drop alongside the chest type rewards? I forget what type it was; I remember thinking it definitely didn't fit with the chest type.
if it were included in a normal chest reward category, I'd assume fragments or maps
violet nymph
yea, I assumed that It was one or the other of those two since it was a fragment ,so I been spamming lockpick and engineering. But it hasn't drop at all
still mural
still gonna be rare, sadly
sour mountain
i wonder if enchant orbs imply that they will add enchant orbs to replace labchants
eager terrace
the necroscientists have a very OP attack
probably the most dangerous mob in heist atm
runic thistle
do you guys kill everything on the way out of the heist?
still mural
kinda hard when it continues spawning infinitely
copper kernel
usually enough to keep my flasks up
still mural
how much I kill depends how I'm feeling, tbh; as long as it's not too dangerous, I do try to take down any uniques, since their drops are pretty decent
pseudo hull
how do we get the unique contracts?
copper kernel
i found one in those smuggler stashes
pseudo hull
so rng?
copper kernel
ye
pseudo hull
are there infinite green contracts?
still mural
there are 15
still mural
well, there's 15 in the quest contract challenge, at least
velvet palm
not yet lul
hardy sail
seriously? how are we supposed to carry everything
i can barely carry all currency alone
velvet palm
yes
hardy sail
wtf is this league
still mural
You can, but you likely will be sent to a different harbor instance than the one your portal is in
if you're in a small league, like a private league or ssf hc, you can pretty safely exit and return; might need to try a few different harbor instances if you're unlucky, but shouldn't take much
otherwise, I wouldn't recommend leaving.
void wing
wtf is this league
A buggy mess.
spice cipher
pls god ggg fix that shit ^
still mural
no, because you don't have a waypoint or the like in; you have a portal. can't right-click choose instance for portals; they take you to a specific instance. so you just have to leave to your hideout, use another coin to spawn a new portal to go through, and see if it's your instance. @hardy sail
hardy sail
@copper kernel yea did that, but I get a lot of jewels I can't carry, had to throw away 6s etc, had too many scarabs so threw away fragments (cheaper stuff but still dumb)
such a waste of currency, I spent so many coins to unlock the wings too, I guess you aren't supposed to unlock wings until they fix it?
spice cipher
between wings you can ID shit
so anything needing ID'ed do so between wings
dont pick up smol currencies like transmutes and shit, waste of space
hardy sail
I didn't know so I didnt bring scrolls
I used as many as I found but didnt get enough
😦
why dont they put a stash in the in between wings area
wouldnt that solve the issue ggg please
hardy sail
I don't get why not if they can't fix the rogue harbor instance issue
seems like a nice work around
still mural
eh, they're working on it.
hardy sail
I mean I get it, just frustrating its over a week out and they haven't fixed basic issues. at least most of the crashes are fixed I guess
still mural
well, to be fair, they did fix the instance issue. but it caused another worse issue (folks couldn't leave their grand heist if their harbor instance was full), so they reverted it while they work on it more.
quasi fulcrum
Is there any information on the Necroscientists? I know their projectiles are lethal, I dont know if they are spells or attacks though
scrap the necroscientist, crashing is #1 dangerous enemy of heist
quaint shadow
which heist type has the "Head Enforcer" enemy type?
still mural
necroscientists deal chaos damage, senior necroscientists deal phys & chaos, according to their poedb entries @quasi fulcrum ( can link you to those entries if you like)
@quaint shadow Templar/military layouts, so Bunker & Records Office, and I forget if Mansion is as well?
quasi fulcrum
Do you have the link @still mural ? Makes sense too as my chaos res is bad, so I should work on that. I'm just curious if they are spells or attacks
covert maple
seems like an easy bandaid to just add a stash to the entrance
violet nymph
Wind dancer + fortify + 40% spell dodge, never got hurt by those guys really
I also just kind of dash past everything lol
My build has a ton of movespeed as well so i don't really die ever
Even with 4k life lul
still mural
generally my deaths happen when I'm trying to decide what to drop to pick up another item when my inventory is full, or getting involved with chat 😅
violet nymph
Oh yeah and stone stance is also some less damage
Lol
I think the character has like 7 deaths total, that are all from acts
brazen flicker
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If you don’t really wanna die
Go alkaizer earthshatter champion
Fortify 400% effect, spell block, 12k Vaal molten shelll
Ultra THICC
7k life
rigid stream
i dont think there is 400% permanent fortify effect
twin fjord
wtf what that
still mural
well, they are traps
still mural
they didn't rearm. they armed. they weren't armed before.
rigid stream
no they arm when the alarm triggers
thats your own fault
traps, once disarmed, wont rearm
still mural
you'll have some hallways that are armed when you come in, and you detonate those with Isla before moving through them. and then there are some hallways that are not armed during entry, and arm when you trigger the alarm.
eternal eagle
they were disarmed
still mural
this is true for traps, counter-thaumaturgy, and agility
rigid stream
some trap corridors are armed and some are dormant
eternal eagle
i had the map open
rigid stream
and the dormant ones will arm when the alarm triggers
still mural
you can safely avoid this if you avoid those heist types
eternal eagle
u see them symbol for disarm reappear after alarm goes off....
eternal eagle
yes they were i walked over them before alarm
still mural
read what I said above
rigid stream
disarmed=/= not active
still mural
they were not disarmed. they were not yet active.
rigid stream
its like in Indiana jones when he pulls the idol
the trap will go off if you trigger the thing
your own greed killed you
eternal eagle
i disarmed them to go past that room its just not in the video
still mural
when those trap hallways are disarmed, they don't just disarm; they detonate. they were clearly not detonated, as you can see when you enter the hallway; they're intact, just not active.
rigid stream
there are are a lot of bugs, but this is not one of them
still mural
like we've said, some hallways are active when you enter, and some don't activate until you trigger the alarm. this was the latter. so yes, the rogue job icon pops up, because it activated when you triggered the alarm. but this specific hallway was not one you had detonated earlier
eternal eagle
regardless i wont be doing any more heists f this shit
twin fjord
So are regular heists worth rolling? I've been alching mine, but it hardly seems worth it given the added dangers.
still mural
again, you can easily avoid it by not doing the traps type of heists.
rigid stream
yes its worth it. up to 35%? less alert gained and increased lockdown timer
so you can acess more loot
still mural
I get enough to open everything easily enough with just rogue gear, and the added mods can make them significantly more dangerous
rigid stream
depends on how long it is and who you take
whith vinderi you want as much reduction as you can get
still mural
I don't have trouble with anything other than perception, and even then only sometimes, depending where & how many totems are there. even with vinderi gear is plenty; might miss a handful of small chests, but I'm happy to do that in exchange for more safety
if you do put mods on, mind, make sure you don't get the "lockdown is instant" mod!
twin fjord
Yes that one is the only one I have been rolling off of... Well after I ripped to a +350 crit one I may roll off those as well 😉
formal delta
I alch all mine for the quant/rarity, havnt had a rip during the escape since the damage nerf. Only time I rip is not paying attention during grand heists and running up to a trap disarm chest. Quartz flask for phasing + stacking a bit of movespeed + even a moderate amount of defensive layers trivializes the lockdown phase
formal delta
Welp
hardy sail
would affect mob drops
twin fjord
I have been trying to rely on Withering Step, but I may have to swap a flask out for another phasing one as I keep canceling withering because I'm a spaz.
hardy sail
blight it affects the pump drops
that's why most run blight with lucky chests and white
formal delta
Yeh, very little point alching blights but at a certain point i do it anyway because why not
Ive had a doctor drop from a burial chambers pump splosion back in deli league
Guess its the same for heist, very little point in doing it but I can so I do 💁
hardy sail
yea fair enough - i just chance em
still mural
I also run blighted maps magic, personally
formal delta
I honestly just assumed quant/rarity affected heist chests since its on half the rogue gear, but yeah every other chest in the game isnt affected so I guess heist chests probably arent
hardy sail
I haven't done an analysis, just assuming
signal swan
Heists rolls alert reduction with mods though, that's what you want
formal delta
Tru, i cba to roll my rogue gear for lockdown timer and hate backtracking so the alert reduction helps a bit for me
signal swan
Still avoid rippy mods like -max res, it hits too damn hard otherwise
hardy sail
heist is weird mechanic tho - I've found more ex through shards than raw drops lmao
signal swan
Somehow I got even more raw currency through heist than most other league starts, and I only hit maps after the small chest nerf
The delirium orbs and stuff adds up.
modest yoke
Only issue I have with heist, althought they change it on daily basis lol 🙂 .
They bring ingame "900 new gems" and I didnt saw a single one till now. With prices 4ex+ , so much for starter builds ..
signal swan
I wouldn't ever choose a starter build with items of unknown drop rates to begin with
Most of them are kinda cheap sidegrades anyway
signal swan
Yeah
modest yoke
I personally think this is most 'wrong' thing on whole league, at least i thought this will be most fun part to play with builds.
signal swan
The expensive ones are few and far between, and define a whole build, not a sidegrade
modest yoke
archer skeletons , and vaal version didnt even saw on market
hardy sail
summon skelly?
signal swan
Plaguebearer, for divine flesh chaos damage reduction
modest yoke
cold void sphere
signal swan
I saw a few others, but not sure what they did
modest yoke
thats just tip of iceberg, I mean its 900 of them, its like you did not have npc to sell cassual gems
you cant just try 20 of them to see ooh this one is good
signal swan
Actually uh
Since I can't check what the quality actually does on poe.ninja, I'm not sure why they're expensive
hardy sail
expensive because ppl aren't running heists cuz they suck
signal swan
Toxic rain, blade vortex, determination, not sure why
hardy sail
you can buy, try and resell always
signal swan
It'll likely drop when people start doing more grand heists
They're nowhere as rare as woke gems
modest yoke
I went like 35x heist it took a lot of time, and was ok at start to get 3c per heist, good for start, but other than that mm, but this is highli subjective maybe later it get much better.
signal swan
Heists don't seem very consistent in returns
Actually more grand heists
Sometimes it's crap, sometimes you get a trinket with all good T1 mods
_> though I didn't really experience most of the crashes and bugs people reported, so I ran them more often
modest yoke
I dont even mention that went 35 heists and another 20 which just crashed
signal swan
Found that as long as you find a way to bring Karst along, you can open all reward chests.
I had one crash at the start of the league, and had no more heist crashes.
It was mostly town crashes.
modest yoke
I mostly crashed in party inside
twin fjord
What is the BV alternate one people like, the leech?
45c for extra blade, 1 ex for more dmg with <5 blades, 20 ex for leech.
Hardly worth it for poison BV I'd think
queen carbon
copper kernel
run more contracts with the ones you have
signal swan
There's that chart somewhere
Every new one unlocks the next, and there are three chains. Nenet is the last of one of the chain.
Maybe use the heisters you haven't used yet?
warped dagger
they should fix that damn gianna, she always stays behind and i need to backtrack to get the bitch back
verbal crest
get off her back, you think its easy changing outfits 4-5 times a heist?