yeah, i am... all followers are equpped
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rapid shell
still mural
some mods are better than others; +lockdown time and reduced alert level are excellent
rapid shell
like this
still mural
yeah, that's a shit piece of gear IMO
cause you probably don't need the help in dealing dmg
you can't help the intrinsic in that slot, but you can get better mods
still mural
it's also shit
if you go into a lvl 60 heist, that rogue will be level 61 instead of 60
so they're a wee bit better at combat
rapid shell
lol
rapid shell
ok, then i should reroll all of them i guess
still mural
the combat mods are worthless; try to avoid those in favor of ones that are actually useful 😄
hybrid mist
they dont have implicits
still mural
I don't bother, but you can; idk that it does anything useful
if you boost lockdown time, you can spend your alert bar opening the chests far from the end room, then go on a spree opening all the chests near the alert room during your now-excessive lockdown timer
hybrid mist
small chests before lockdown -1 sec, reward chests -4 sec
rapid shell
what's the best way to craft these, then? alts + regal or alchemy spam?
heady pier
idk
still mural
I do alt-regal personally, but idk for sure
still mural
Some of the auras are nice, aye
those are the only combat mods I think are worth having
ornate belfry
is there a max level of the heist characters you take with you on contracts?
still mural
unless maybe you're running a crit build and get a crit mod that applies to you as well as the rogue? which I think is a thing?
hybrid mist
5 lvl on first skill
still mural
Each rogue has their own cap for each of their skills; everyone but Huck is max lvl 5 on their first skill, but beyond that it varies
last post in #guides-archive has details
hybrid mist
all rogues have 5 lvl max on first skill bro, rest of them is max 4/3
still mural
huck is max 3 on all skills
hybrid mist
lol
still mural
because he has 4 of em
hybrid mist
well, havent tried to level him, sorry :D
still mural
which is sad because I like him but he's worthless 😦
hybrid mist
just noticed you're right
rigid stream
The best way are random reroll harvest seeds. Oh wait 
hybrid mist
can we already forget about harvest?
sage thorn
can we already forget about harvest?
Not easy to do that since it's planned to eventually be put in Core.
void wing
The tags are so much different now.
Harvest will be a difference experience if it came back.
hybrid mist
It won't come back in the same form you know it, so better forget about it
rigid stream
Cant they add a crafting Bench to heists with 20c each to use right there?
hybrid mist
No
rigid stream
Give it to demolition so its better
void wing
It's gone @rigid stream, it's gone.
keen ibex
I dipped out of harvest exactly when I realized it would mess with my expectations for three leagues
sage thorn
Already getting tired of PoE just by being in this server.
rigid stream
By complaining about Reddit
still mural
Eh. Don't have to read what folks say if it bugs you.
sage thorn
Yeah.
hybrid mist
Just because someone can stop reading this doesn't mean folks have to complain, rant and whatever constantly
I love returning from Heist and being thrown back to desktop again
rapid shell
So, updated all my rogue items, run a heist. When I used demolition on last chest, the heist went into FAILED. No more lockdown timer
LOL
hybrid mist
Huh
still mural
did the contract have the "instant lockdown" mod on it
rapid shell
is there such thing? didnt pay attention
still mural
there is, and it sucks
rapid shell
i usually just throw an alchemy on it and run it... so far i never encountered anything dangeours
well
probably it had?
:))
didnt know that is possible
hybrid mist
I haven't figured it out yet... are more mods profitable on contracts?
still mural
my build doesn't care about reflect so I only vaguely pay attention to contract mods; I just make sure they don't have the lockdown is instant one
rapid shell
a white contract has like 3-4 small chests and 1-2 big ones. With a yello contract you get much more
rigid stream
Is that a Thing?
still mural
contract mods also boost lockdown timer, reduce alert level, and add more mobs to the escape cap
rapid shell
my build doesn't care about reflect so I only vaguely pay attention to contract mods; I just make sure they don't have the lockdown is instant one
@still mural I usually check for temporal chain. Run once a 4wing blueprint with temporal chains. its a pain
still mural
like map mods boost quant and pack size
rigid stream
I thought its only + alert andockdown?
still mural
idk about the chest thing, but it's possible
that (temp chains) makes sense, and I should keep an eye out for that as well; sounds miserable
rapid shell
what's a good trinket? I have these 2, been using the fully-linked ones - but seems useless
still mural
+quant is great, the linked mod can be nice for SSF but probably isn't worth for trade, upgrading currency is great
the annoying thing is that there's no indication of when your trinket actually affected something; I wish they could add an effect to indicate that
the chance to duplicate specific rewards is nice if you equip them when you run those rewards, though it is finnicky to do that. can do that with rogue equipment as well, if you want; can be useful for grand heists where you actually know for sure what chests you'll have.
dupe does only work on the big chests, not the small
still mural
I'd still probably use the second of those, but for the quant more than the fully linked
hybrid mist
run your heists bois
sage thorn
I'm curious who's Reinhardt-looking dude on the rightmost side of the loading screen.
stuck horizon
Thats Vinderi
haughty jay
I've done about 25 maps and no trials of ascendancy for merciless lab i don't remember them being this rare last league is there a minimum map tier that they start showing up or am i just getting unlucky?
stuck horizon
Super unlucky~°
heady pier
hows currency drops atm
btw
cuz i see reddit mildly on fire
did ggg nerf something today?
wet dust
no exalt getting to lvl 90
heady pier
i've got all yours
wet dust
heist are ruined, you get less than mapping
heady pier
8 pure exalt drops
wet dust
worse league in while, concept is great, but execution is awful
wet dust
ya, prob gonna do that too
at least when im back from vacation, maybe alpha will be done
heady pier
i got like 5 exalt worth from heist by now
just exalted shards and delirium orbs
from maps and delve i got 25+
so i guess league is eh
wet dust
thats from before this patch, now every chests are rings armor and this trash
currency shards are rare, same for deli
wet dust
yup
heady pier
nuff said
heady pier
well, im in a middle of petrified forest worth like 100k sulphite, so i guess ill keep doing that
though people seems tired of crafting
perfect fossils are cheap af
abstract pelican
so what exactly increases the alert level besides chest? getting spotted by packs?
because it definitely going up, at least in grand heist
wet dust
not anymore
abstract pelican
well I recorded it and still don't understand
wet dust
idk its so buggy we cant figure shit out
twilit mulch
So i'm in the middle of a 4 wing grand heist. can i go back through the portal and stash stuff? or is there a chance id lose the heist to coming out in a different instance
twilit mulch
worked that time. 3 more wings to go
heady pier
yeh, they fixed it
coral garden
They even announced they reverted the fix
heady pier
Fixed a bug where, when returning to The Rogue Harbour from a Heist area, you could be placed in a Rogue Harbour instance that did not contain the portal to your Heist area.
wut?
twilit mulch
yeah i saw the revert
coral garden
Exiting a Heist can once again place you in a Rogue Harbour instance that does not contain your Heist Portal. This is a temporary measure to fix an issue introduced in 3.12.2 where players were unable to leave a Heist if the instance that contained their Heist portal was full. We will properly fix this issue in a future patch.
heady pier
ah
idk what the logic
one grand heist with extra rooms fills the inventory
i mean one wing
you need to be able to dump it in stash
coral garden
I mean u dont rob a bank by moving the money into your own safety deposit box in the same bank
void wing
That's genius yo.
short canopy
is heist worse or reddit just overreact ?
abstract pelican
how often do guys get unique replicas in grand heist compared to rares?
short canopy
i do get like half-half
haven't done much tho
lots of door block me last patch haha
abstract pelican
I ran a couple of low level ones and only got rares, wondering if lvl is related
short canopy
around which level ?
heady pier
i've got full unique replicas vaults at 70+ vaults
abstract pelican
around 40
spring valley
hey guys what is this new socket?
short canopy
how to heist type impact chest now btw ?
frigid holly
Anyone know why they dont give you a heist stash in your hideout? Its annoying having to stash contracts in the regular stash and then transfer them all to the heist one periodically by physically going to the rogue town. I don't see what gameplay/exploit requires it...?
haughty jay
you can add it if you go to decorations
frigid holly
oh ok, cool - thanks
short canopy
my gianna heist reveal won't go up even a bot
i don't know why
so heist not worth running now ?
stuck horizon
Anyone got feeling that Blueprint is lot harder to find ? (not contract)
dusky wedge
i just did a heist without the altertmeter updating
then suddenly the alarm went off
heady pier
happens regulary
rigid idol
The update fix grand heist right
abstract pelican
the doors ye
shadow thistle
No it's still bugged I've heard.
dusky wedge
do you share your rogues between all your chars?
marsh oracle
is nenets face ok?
shadow thistle
Just map pretend it's standard league
rigid idol
quaint echo
what a mess
tarke is spot on: they need to take one week break and decide the direction
eh, they will come back and hype illusion leagues every 3 months
just a game, fck it
shadow thistle
Only 3 months til next league
Also bex picked a great time for vacation I can imagine her job sucks right now lol
devout osprey
she is just the community manager. not her fault 
rigid idol
This league was suppose to be more exciting than harvest and it did
The voice acting
Content new stuff
rigid stream
This does look like they ran out of time
rigid idol
Just too buggy
rigid stream
They probably needed one more week
shadow thistle
@devout osprey when did anyone say it's her fault? I said her job to deal with all of us pissed off must suck right now.
devout osprey
i just assumed u did ,mb
sage thorn
I said her job to deal with all of us pissed off must suck right now.
Well what can you do.
odd sail
should I skip unique chests
stuck horizon
I skip unique chest, perfer small chest hope for a chance with currency than 99% junk unique~°
patent flame
So far small chests gave me 2 6 links so they are my priority
lime lion
For me today (post patch) it is still 3 out of 5 tries that Grand Heists crashed
would not recommend
Sent some of the crash dump files to GGG though. Maybe it helps them figuring out what causes this, if they read it
faint pebble
How on earth do I level counter thaum up when I cant find contracts with level 1?
vapid gazelle
2nd time in like maybe 15 heists ? that I get stuck in a vault door <_<
keen nymph
Ive heard of the door not opening but this!???
vapid gazelle
Can only get out by relogging
so it basically rips my heist 😄
not sure why they decided to add this much collision checking in this new heist league
but its doing some horrible shit
keen nymph
I feel like I’ve been leap slamming accidentally into corners and getting stuck more this league as well
devout osprey
mabye a dumb question but can u wait for the door to fully open and pretend like the door will kill you
hoary trout
How do i unlock my trinket slot?
devout osprey
open grand heist with trinket, click the thing that grants you trinket slot
hoary trout
I have like 6 blueprints but i dont see any with trinket rewards. Are they rare?
celest moth
So how you actually get equipment for mercenaries ?
faint pebble
it drops in heists
valid isle
i wish more bps would drop so id have options to pick from XD
brave burrow
Are the heist gear bugged or am I just not understanding it correctly? If I equip a cloak with "+2 to levels" it doesn't actually give levels to the skill of the heist member?
elder tundra
Is it known what Coin Shower does?
brave burrow
aha
devout osprey
fragment
dusty remnant
gotcha, ty
valid isle
heist reminds me of why i want a bigger inventory
willow marten
https://imgur.com/a/Y9ZOSIu Everytime I get two reward rooms side by side I can't open either......
Sorry for low resolution had to compress for imgur
mighty meteor
i'm just planning a build but while looking around, i saw this in the community build of path of building on two handed maces. what does this base and the preceding 2 actually do?
@willow marten not sure but maybe you can force her to choose one by using frost wall/ice wall or whatever it's called, the old skill. not sure if it still exists. maybe called arctic something? uhh
willow marten
....
mighty meteor
this. probably won't work too well though
but yeah, never seen that happened but yeah, that's kinda bullshit
random edge
is there any way of building better items to make opening a good amount of chests in the contacts possible?
random edge
oh is it better to get added time at the end rather than reduce your percentage?
rigid stream
Yes
Due to the large increase in small Chest alert and the fixed - time they give
A small Chest gives only -1 Second
You can get with fairly Bad Gear and badly rolled map and a lvl 3 Isla, 50 Seconds before lockdown
valid isle
taking forever to get these guys to level 5 lol
slate urchin
is there a list of all the different "attachments" for the different people?
like what items go in what slots
ashen rose
do heist doors still bug out
placid cobalt
Likely no more patches until monday either is there?
rigid stream
Probably Not
coarse drum
есть русские ???????
heady pier
vodka
wispy vapor
how do we complete the 40% quality challenge?
random glacier
how do we unlock the heist trinkets on our characters
distant osprey
lets see how many grand heists i crash out of today. so far at 2
rigid stream
Lvl?
random glacier
mid 70s
noble pilot
First post-patch blueprint. Return to harbor after wing 1, portal is gone. what a mess
hardy sail
I'm saving blueprints until they fix that - I lost 2 grand heists that way
hardy sail
good work QA team
rigid stream
There is already a Post about it
It Had to be reverted because something got unstable due to the Change
noble pilot
my willingness to put up with this is getting unstable
hardy sail
wait running a heist right now they reverted alert level rising with mob kills?
rigid stream
What happened was, it Displays "Instance is full" and wouldnt let you leave
Thats why it once again Puts you into a new Instance so your Char isnt bricked
hasty perch
honestly my willingness to buy supporter packs is very quickly dropping to 0 for the next few leagues
guess i'll keep using abyssal imp and sunspire
grave niche
valid isle
im hardly finding any GHs
restive geode
I need a bigger locker....
next epoch
still not sure why they gave us so many mark slots
restive geode
yeah, I guess they initially expected to stack to only 10K
faint pebble
why dont you just do the contracts instead of hording them?
next epoch
even then, 21 slots for a single currency item just seems overkill
restive geode
well, when 40% delirium double beyond maps drops you 22 contracts....
faint pebble
you what?
restive geode
and one blue print
it looks like rare and unique monsters drop more in addition to league mechanics drop more than usual too
I have been doing some, I have two guys level 5 and everyone else lvl 4
rigid idol
@restive geode insane
devout parcel
When leveling there were these heist chests in most areas - is that not a thing in maps?
half panther
They are
dusk pivot
is there a known bug in Perception/Laboratory heists?
it's the second one I do where I get alert form killing mobs
restive geode
@random glacier you can go between wings but if you leave for your sash you can't go back
dusk pivot
not true, you can go back
just need to tp in and out
until you get the right instance
restive geode
I left to go to the stash in my last wing and I lsot it
ahh instead of using the heist portal?
dusk pivot
you have to go hideout -> harbour -> hideout -> harbour
at some point you'll do into the harbour with your portal
it's a bug :/
restive geode
ok ok
spice cipher
low gyro
@dusk pivot Yeah can confirm that Perception raise your alert level if you kill or alert enemies (or maybe it is only with Nenet cause with Niles it didn't happen before).
I tried Nenet and Niles in Counter and there it is the same, only Nenet raise alert.
vivid wigeon
@low gyro It's on perception missions. You have "Observer Towers" scattered around, usually in corners, and this thing will raise your alert level each second. You can only destroy it after your follower perceived the thing, then it becomes targetable.
faint pebble
I hate perception maps, those fucking totem things are aids
low gyro
okay then its strange that with niles the same dont happen....
or maybe I killed the totems faster
vivid wigeon
Niles doesnt have perception tho, you're mixing it up with counter-thaum
low gyro
oh yeah I do (mixed it with deception/perception)....
like that its not usefull to run them at all
distant osprey
you still cant go back to harbor to stash between wings right?
i tried earlier and lost my portal just like before the patch
rigid stream
You can, you Just have to find your Instance
random glacier
yeah I tried earlier to go back in stages and it didn't let me back in
rigid stream
There is nothing deleting your Portal, its Just you are Put in the wrong Instance to Not brick your char
random glacier
and I'm in a private league 
distant osprey
@rigid stream how do you find your instance?
rigid stream
I havent tried it myself, but its either Ctrl click, or Just joining and leaving the harbor untill you See your portal
Because if the Instance is full, you are Put in one with space
And If it opens a space again, you will find your portal
rigid stream
And it was reverted, because forcing you to Join the Instance would brick your char, cause it Just said, Instance is full and wouldnt let you leave
Cant Ctrl click the portal? Then just join and leave with narkers a couple times
rigid stream
Then leave the harbor and Go Back in
heady pier
heist feels like a waste of time atm
rigid stream
A Couple times
heady pier
esp at a8
rigid stream
There are only so many instances
rigid stream
The Grand heists are great, normal ones could use a Bit of a buff
heady pier
how they are great?
you have pockets hardly deep even for one wing
even if it's just 1 slot currency
and when lvl83 grand heist you wasted 12k coins into bugs out
best feeling every
vivid wigeon
dude there's like 20 posts on reddit for complaining
rigid stream
Because they do yield Up to 4 end rewards which are nice
heady pier
i was fine
vivid wigeon
go there if you want to vent
rigid stream
They cost too many narkers though
heady pier
like i was ok tolerating everything for 300+c hour at demo contracts
now i open em and see trash chests
rapid shell
Who is Adiyah? I have only 9 followers and she is not one of 'em
rigid stream
The one who opens the portal
rapid shell
you can add items to her?
valid isle
i think its for the three unique contracts
old fox
Huh, neat
I did one for Faustus, he said he would reward me and I got nothing for doing it
Was it some sort of passive thing I was rewarded with?
restive geode
you got rewarded with her love (not really)
clear raven
Do you open every chest on heists?
next laurel
anyone can tell me how to gain reveal ? need it for spamming extras room
clear raven
How do you maximize profit from heists?
rapid shell
you do maps
keen hinge
can i return to rogue harbour inbetween wings in a grand heist?
found out the hard way you cant (:
rapid shell
meh, they said they fixed this...
The portal is still there, you just entered another instance
go back to hideout
open new heist portal
keen hinge
gonna try
rapid shell
if correct -> continue
otheriwise try again
I had to do once 12 times
to get back to my portal
another time it sent 1st try
if you are already out, try 15 times or so
keen hinge
so i have to manually find the right instance randomly?
rapid shell
That's what we were doing before the patch
They said they fixed this, but they lanched the patch and the instance was always full
so you couldn't join anyway
:))
maybe they reverted? I stopped following cause I need 15k marks for one blueprint.... that takes days to farm lol
somber bison
So with the new patch, is it better to loot the big rooms or the small chests now?
crisp tree
2nd heist of the day, crash 
dense pier
distant osprey
wow
i just dced with a replica headhunter....
fuck my life
that actually feels SO fucking bad... holy shit
sonic chasm
?
neon pollen
How do the tailoring orb work? Is it just random roll on enchantment?
Or can it SWAP enchantment from one item to another one?
karmic root
did they re-add kills increasing alert level and i just missed it? just ran a heist and kills were def adding alert level. i got like three small chests and one big one
not happening on this heist. but it was for sure a thing on a laboratory i just ran v.v
karmic root
are they specific to that map? i've seen the sentries on the map with robots
karmic root
i was running with Karst i think
snow laurel
Isn't it specific to observation?
snow laurel
The looking glass icon
snow laurel
I play KB and pre emptive attack all corners during those heists
Do minions trigger the watcher totems?
dusk pivot
my gut's telling me I was getting some alert while I was out of range but my companion in range
so, maybe?
rigid stream
your rogue doesnt trigger them afaik. you have to get out of their range and then the rogue will attack them
abstract cave
can i leave a grand heist and go back in? having inventory issues doing multiple wings
latent pumice
for rogue gear that adds e.g. "increased projectile attack damage", how can I tell which rogues do what kind of damage? I'm not sure ANY of the ones I have unlocked right now do projectile damage.
still mural
Sort of. You can, but the instance bug is still a thing - when you leave the heist, you may or may not go to the harbor instance that holds your portal back to the heist. So you may need to leave the harbor, burn a coin to re-enter the harbor, see if your portal is there, if not, repeat, until you find your portal again.
how difficult that is/how long it is likely to take depends on how many folks are playing in your league; SSF has less than trade, and hardcore has less than softcore
I'm not certain either, but I believe Nenet uses a bow? @latent pumice
toxic pine
i'm pretty sure the buffs on rogue gear is for you and not them
still mural
no, not unless it explicitly says it affects you
or if it's an aura, which obviously affects the rogue, you, and any other rogues nearby (on a grand heist)
next epoch
https://poedb.tw/us/Nenet says she fires arrows
latent pumice
oooooh that poedb helps a ton, thanks
seems kinda silly to need to, like, look it up in a random third party site, maybe I'll make a forums post so other people can find it 🙂 thanks for the help gang!
abstract cave
well after reentering the rogue harbour 15 times my portal still isnt there, so they might as well tell you you cant fucking leave..
next epoch
poedb is pretty definitive, it can just be kind of hard to make sense of sometimes
still mural
looks like Karst, Nenet, and Isla use projectiles; Niles and Gianna use magic; Huck, Tibbs, Vinderi, and Tullina use melee
if I'm reading it right
abstract cave
this def wasnt worth it...
coral garden
@abstract cave try 40 times
next epoch
That sounds about right, the part that's harder to figure out is which ones will fight and which ones just want to run from combat
coral garden
Someone reportedly got back after 40tries so yea it will take some time
still mural
it's not a specific number of times that will get you there; it's rng
next epoch
isla really doesn't like fighting, for example, whereas huck is almost too eager to engage enemies
abstract cave
at 32 rn
willow marten
When you exit the first wing you can drop loot on the ground, run the remaining wings and take the most valuable items out to avoid the bug. I’m avoiding grand heist however as 2 out of my 3 so far have crashed to login screen during first wing 🤷♂️
abstract cave
once i finsihed the 2nd wing i came out to a different area than after the first wing though
well after 50 failed attempts im def done this time lol
next epoch
damn, disappointed this didn't work 😉
next epoch
some harsh and unforgiving continent this turned out to be, smh (/s)
glad thicket
just got my first blueprint, in maps
Are they safe to run now? Should I spend the marks to reveal it fully?
I'm not sure how the revealing works for the other rogues
main epoch
Hang on how do I access the other wings of my grand heist?
main epoch
I think I just lost 2 whole wings of my grand heist because I don't know how to get back into it 😭 rip 14k markers
celest tiger
anyone reach t16 maps
then just stop being able to
run grand heists?
it seems like every blueprint requires a lvl 5 rogue
which I only have two of right now
celest tiger
normal heists contracts are fine
the problem is with grand heists
since they roll 3 skills per wing
valid isle
grand heists so far have only required up to 3 for me
even the level 79 one i just did lol
celest tiger
if you reveal all the wings it's super super likely that you get a lvl 5 one
ah
im talking about lvl83 blueprints
valid isle
havent had one that high drop yet
celest tiger
valid isle
my highest GH was 80, highest normal heist has been 82
valid isle
i find it weird though that the high level stuff sometimes only requires rank 1 lol
valid isle
celest tiger
because i just can't get any blueprints at a skill requirement that i can run
celest tiger
yeah even at lvl83
they roll with requirement 1 sometimes
i think it's a pretty even weighting
and it's just restricted by the area level
valid isle
probably
celest tiger
like i said before, normal contracts are fine
if you get a lvl 5 one, well whatever it can just sit there
valid isle
you find all 15 unique heists yet?
celest tiger
but the problem with grand heists is they roll like...
valid isle
i have been 13/15 for like a good 100 maps lol
celest tiger
12 fucking skills
and there's a good chance that you get a lvl 5 or two in that
lol
im at 11/15
133/154 atlas at AL6
i guess they're just rare?
native summit
try running some blood aquaducts for the quest contracts
valid isle
its a substantial grind
native summit
not actual data on this
but i feel like i got so many more when i was leveling
alot more rogue stashes were showing up
valid isle
i think the quests have minimum levels though
valid isle
yep, though i havent seen a cashe in forever now
heavy kite
sage thorn
All the hub-bub about Heist is reminding me of a 'Game Maker's Toolkit' video on negative feedback.
The designer for Darkest Dungeon hired a community manager who essentially redefined the dev-player dynamic from "help us make the best version of the game" to "help us make the game we're aiming for".
In a bit, I'll link the vid in #offtopic for those curious (for the record, the specific part I talked about is close to the end).
Y'know what I'll just link it 'ere.
sage thorn
brazen pulsar
So we holding our 83+ contracts? Thinking they might buff it? Feels like the loot is trash now
nocturne niche
This fucking bullshit where you cant leave a grand heist to stash shit its so god damn annoying. oh my portals gone guess i gota jump through 400 severs to hopefully find the one i was in
why the fuck is there no stash in the god damn shit
rose sigil
im holdin my contracts till they buff em
still mural
I'm holding my blueprints till they work out the instance/portal issue
cursive widget
I thought they said they already worked it out lol
willow marten
I just lost two grand heists in a row, one from the portal instance bug and second from a crash during alert. Around 3 ex total lost and 9k+ coins on top
after patching to "fix" it
still mural
they fixed it, but then folks were getting stuck in their grand heists because their harbor instance was full
so they reverted it until they fix that
willow marten
It's really hard to keep track of the hot fixes
still mural
I mean. they get posted in #old-game-news
you can read them before logging in for the day or w/e
willow marten
Yeah mid heist I should alt tab and read how to do a heist this hour
still mural
before logging in for the day
willow marten
it change today....
still mural
the instance revert was on the 24th
willow marten
today they supposedly fixed instance crash after alert
still mural
the two hotfixes today are just bug fixes
willow marten
and that's what just happened
still mural
fixing one crash cause != fixing *all *crash causes?
willow marten
ok dude you're trolling goodnight
still mural
I'm really not, but w/e
velvet palm
heists are the worst*
valid isle
the lower level ones are fine
60~70 range i have no issue, the 70~80 range gets really up and down
80+ though you get one shot from all sorts of stupid things
even with a tanky build that has 5k life, capped all res, like 40k armor and using molten shell, and elemental aegis lol
also block and stuff
going fine then just rip
velvet palm
okay first of all
"capped res" isn't a part of a tanky build
that's the dead fucking minimum
and 5k?
ornate belfry
so are heists worth or not worth doing? as I can't find the right info, every1 says they buffd/needed idk who to believe.
velvet palm
low
valid isle
wait, 5k is low now? i have 188% increased life lol
i can only get so much +life on gear lol
velvet palm
yeah getting more than 40 life on gear can be pretty tricky
velvet palm
ooh I don't believe you
valid isle
that is fine lol
quaint shadow
Are all grand heists gems and trinkets at the end only?
still mural
yes
heists are worth doing IMO, but of course YMMV. grand heists I'm saving till they fix the portal/instance bug @ornate belfry
ornate belfry
YMMV?
quaint shadow
your mileage may vary
ornate belfry
ah ok thanks bro
quaint shadow
so where do the replica's come from then? cause most of these alternate gems are fairly worthless
void wing
Grand heists.
quaint shadow
Someone just said only gems and trinkets come from the end of grand heists
void wing
No.
Replicas and armour weapon enchants as well.
As well as experimental bases.
Basically all the new stuff comes from grand heists only.
quaint shadow
They must be super low chance then, or not till above 80. My grand heists are at 75 right now
void wing
I've seen low level replicas somewhere.
quaint shadow
maybe im just unlocky then shrug
void wing
Then again this stuff is changing daily
quaint shadow
damn used all my markers, oh well
north crow
Can you leave a grand heist to drop off loot or will the protal close?
I know they said they were working on it but hadn't seen it in a patch
still mural
the portal won't close, but you likely will be taken to a different harbor instance than the one that has your portal
so you can try leaving & re-entering the harbor to find it again, or you can just make do with only one inventory of loot, or you can save your blueprints for now
old inlet
So I started a second character, I'm in Maps with it and done a couple Grand Heists, but they haven't had the thing I need to click to get my Trinket slot?
Am I doing something wrong? Is there a specific thing I need to do?
eager pine
have you ran one that provides theives trinkets?
rose pasture
The heists are worth doing now 
eager pine
Probably ut I can't verify
languid river
Okay so I tried 2x grand heists, lvl83, fully revealed (like 40k coins?). Both had all doors not open at end. And the 2nd one crashed when clicking on escape route. Is this league mechanic?
😄
Im done.
eager pine
Patches are forthcoming, don't invest heavily in grand heists presently
languid river
I dont think any patches are coming Sat-Mon
past badger
Not confident they'll get it right this time, again
eager pine
I respect that they'll keep trying
languid river
Its funny they had time to rebalance loot yet didnt have time to, for example, just add a stash tab in the heists safe zone.
past badger
Maybe it's not intended
rigid stream
Adding stashtabs to Combat zones is something they dont do
It can cause massive issues
chilly rivet
The heist "safe zone" is not a combat zone right?
rigid stream
And it did cause issues in the past
magic night
@quaint shadow I think its a 1/4 chance to get a replica grand heist. They can happen at any level.
I know currency and trinkets, gems, and replicas are three of the potential options.
lucid haven
Do the bosses for the chalanges randomly spawn and lock you in, or do you know beforehand so u can bring a bossing character?
turbid remnant
honestly fuck this league, getting crash to desktop and BSOD with this piece of shit, losing all grand heists
void wing
I've just been hoarding blueprints.
thick tiger
does Whakano ever get more heists i can buy from him? its been 2 days and nothing
still mural
his inventory refreshes when you level up
turbid remnant
never had any issues with any other game, but this is infuriating
im crashing even when mapping
void wing
Haven't had any crashes while mapping.
native summit
^
I've played alot of hours and only crashed twice, only trying to exit heist, I assume its some weird graphics shit on your end or a specific server is wack if you are really crashing that much
rigid stream
i havent crashed once this league
still mural
different hardware configs can have all sorts of effects on crashes, potentially
so while the league's been quite stable for you and me, that doesn't necessarily carry over for others
signal swan
Most of my crashes have been from standing around in town when I start up the game and get distracted.
cedar wigeon
you are not supposed to get out of heist to clear your bag space?!
devout osprey
yes, but not currently
turbid remnant
is it random what last room reward grand heist has?
devout osprey
yeah but it says on the grand heist blueprint.
turbid remnant
@devout osprey where does itsay?
rigid stream
Secret rooms? Depends on what it is. Additional Wings? Always
turbid remnant
hmm i heard steelmage saying additional wings ight not be worth
also how do u carry out all the loot?
cerulean oracle
For those who didn't know yet, you can activate an action on a door/chest in heists via the league interface button (default V)
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/j061ta/psa_if_you_are_in_a_heist_and_encounter_a_door/?
bitter python
anyone has image of which ally gives which rewards in heist?
craggy ice
How do I get Gianna reveals? I've run like a dozen heists with her and got none
neat rover
random af
noble junco
are you guys still doing heists
i find it really not worthwhile consider i basically get negative exp from all the one shots
shut quarry
i just crashed again with my last 2k coins invested. loot worth 1-2 ex gone too
shut quarry
just started to enjoy it a bit
noble junco
if you have a lot of loot before the final chest
return to the portal then go back
and all ur loot will not be contraband
shut quarry
well yeah but sometimes i need new coins
noble junco
you can still go back
as long as you dont return to the habour
but your loot is no longer contraband
left patio
does each new rogue being introduced to your team come from bringing specific rogues, or is it just a random chance on each heist?
noble junco
i think is from mission dropped from smuggler chest
aka 90 levels in still missing two guy
shut quarry
i think you need the green quest missions
the contracts that don't fit in the heist locker
barren crescent
You still can't go to harbor from grand heists : ^)
left patio
shit. i haven't found any of those green ones since i finished the story, do i have to go back and do runs of story areas to get them? lol
shut quarry
nah i dropped them everywhere i think
torn isle
Is there any guide on blueprints?
neat rover
hoard everything until stuff is fixed.
shut quarry
not really because we still can't do later heists
neat rover
its a buggy mess still
torn isle
Even low level blueprints?
shut quarry
if you want to run some low one that seem to work better, just alch-and-go like with maps
noble junco
also im still getting one shotted randomly even before lockdown.
torn isle
by later heist, I assume you mean wings?
shut quarry
but if you drop a good loot don't finish it and return before the end to save it!
noble junco
like i have 5.5k ehp with glancing blows
left patio
i tried an alch and go then, level like high 50s low 60s. required trap dismantling 2, so not very advanced at all. didn't even get to the first major chest before it crashed.
shut quarry
especially wings (grand heists)
torn isle
I've no idea how to unlock wings. 😛
torn isle
though I guess since the wings don't work there's no point revealing them anyway?
shut quarry
i did some but it's always risky yet
seems to help if you reveal less
but whenever i get an ex i run 😄
pliant stream
hey can you safely leave a grand heist and come back inside now? or you still can be put into a different instance and loose the heist?
noble junco
i heard u can only if u leave via the way you come in
noble junco
btw why is my grand heist final chest so shit, like for 4 heists in a row
i jus skipped the last chest
cause none of it was worh it
pliant stream
so its still a thing?xD guess i'll gonna drop stuff thenxD
shut quarry
that dude can't even enter so how to tell if we can go out? 😄
verbal crest
that moment when you run out of counter-thaumaturgy contracts.....
rocky nebula
Is that a replica Loreweave?
verbal crest
yes
verbal crest
rocky nebula
whatever lol
So it has more life, mana and ES
interesting
in exchange for less max res
verbal crest
ya
dusty remnant
have the new heists been dropping a bunch less syntehsizd / corrupted / temple weird stuff for people as before patch?
that was kind of the best part of heist tbh
foggy spoke
Are grand heists playable currently?
old fox
I see that you're showing your replica, but it feels like you're flexing on us with your fancy hideout floor
foggy spoke
Or is it still a unplayable mess?
old fox
I didn't have a problem with my last one
shut quarry
then better dont invest too much
foggy spoke
yeah it´s kinda pathetic honestly
1 week into the league and the main content is unplayable
shut quarry
it's sad. i ike the heist idea. i like all the details. the sound, ambient, mercs. if it just would work...
foggy spoke
Yeah the content could be great if GGG wouldn´t be so silly
just like delirium for me
literally can not play this with these disgusting lag spikes every few seconds
shut quarry
indeed. i quit delirium after a week, still very laggy if i encounter it.
foggy spoke
Like i can clear the whole screen with herald effects and have 50-100 fps but if i open a delirum portal my screen freezes for seconds and i have to play the map with 5-40 fps
shut quarry
but iirc all leagues since synthesis had big issues the first two weeks
foggy spoke
Yeah GGG loves pumping out unfinished leagues within their beyond broken and unfinished engine and netcode problems
Even 4 years back we had bad performance and netcode and it feels like it only got worse
inland linden
does quant and rarity on heists affect chest loot?
devout parcel
My question with heist is what the heck happend to the setting
I thought it was like, late era rome, and then boom, you're trying to steal from the chaos mechanicus
merry panther
it's late era rome with steampunk and fantasy shit
that was always the case
it's not very new
kindred dagger
POE is not a real world historical based game, who knows with giant monster and witch and gods and so more
its sad tho
devout parcel
Laser gates is still a little much tho
brazen flicker
kindred dagger
i dont see why lasers would be too much, none says its technology, it can be magic laser
neat rover
anyone figured out how to get unique contracts and how they look ?
toxic pine
they drop from the chests you can occasionally find in maps
they just start at the escape sequence, you can loot everything along the way, and there's a boss at the end
velvet palm
can you not buy them?
bold basalt
bruh how the fuck you sustain high reds in this league
did like 12 t15-16 with blight, 0 blight map drops and best oil was like crimson too
i am out of cartos and chaos
at least i got 150 contracts i guess
old fox
Ok, my game has crashed going into 2 quest heists in a row, wtf?
takes the coins, don't get to go on the heist
shut quarry
dunno, we need another solution for this in general. maybe a separate beta league for a week and then it resets. it's so annoying.
@bold basalt 12 runs is nothing for rng. get your atlas bonus up, too.
bold basalt
130/29 bonus
shut quarry
then run contracts with map chests. use orbs to up. sell 3 to zana or buy from her... so many way
cartographers scarabs. sextants. more quant maps.
runic rune
does grand heist gives more experience to rogues than regular contract?
shut quarry
at the moment it gives 0 unless you are one of the lucky ones who can finish without dc
but i assume you get the same amount, just you have several wings so its more total
bold basalt
cant really do contracts since they either bug out or some random whites with 1 rare oneshot me
shut quarry
well, then pick one of the working ones instead the one that doesn't help you 😉
bold basalt
Last 10 maps i just got absolute 0 reds
autumn haven
anyone got a link to the latest cheat sheet for heist? (which rogue matches which kind of reward)
bold basalt
i am thinking of spreading them and keeping only 1 4socketed area
but the thing is I dont even get good amount of low tier maps so it changes nothing
i hate the amount of contracts i get
wintry stone
am i able to leave grand heists to use the stash and come back? or will that abandon the heist?
bold basalt
if they share drop rate with maps i am gonna flip
it doesnt abandon heist, but theres about 95% chance you wont find the right instance to get back into the heist
wintry stone
kill me
copper kernel
Its too risky
wintry stone
i'm like a puppy in petco, man, just slobbering on everything
i can't handle it
the struggle is real
bold basalt
you get drops in heists? lucky you
marsh monolith
Wait until night or something to do grand heists. I was able to leave and come back, I had to go to my hideout and make new harbors a bunch of times, but eventually I got the one with my portal again
more people onlien, the more harbor versions there will be, hence waiting until non peak hours
somber wigeon
Are grand heists still bugged? Should I not reveal any wings?
tender flume
from an Armour Reward Chest in a 75 agility Heist 
somber wigeon
Does a gem just have to have 1% quality to use a regarding lens on it?
brazen pollen
somber wigeon
You have to take the blueprint to the barber to unlock more wings before you get it approved
steel current
@cedar wigeon im trying to figure this out too. I just did my first 2. Both times I took the portal back, no portal there, reloaded the harbor over and over to find the portal back, never found it. Gave up.
somber wigeon
@cedar wigeon
next epoch
losing the portal to the heist when you return to harbour is a known bug 😦
somber wigeon
Unlock wings with the barber, do one wing, when you escape there should be another door.
@next epoch Exit to character selection, and go back to Rouge Harbor. Repeat until you see your portal
steel current
So I thought they said they fixed the portal losing bug, which was why I did my first 2 GH. Neither worked. Guess I'll just keep mapping and leveling my rogues in regular heists :/
next epoch
that fix got reverted when it started causing worse problems
somber wigeon
You don't have to leave the heist to do the other wings. You just have to go to the safe area you started in
steel current
Oh. Cool. Thanks @next epoch
next epoch
returning people to the same rogue harbour they left from was causing some of those instances to become full, making it impossible for players to leave heists
steel current
@breyos first time my inventory was full after one wing. Second time I came out in an alternate exit, which had no way out except the portal
tough stone
So that being said, the flow of a grand heist should be the following? If you unlocked multiple wings, do a wing, leave the heist after completion and unlocked contraband, sell to fence/store, then go back in and resume additional wings, rinse and repeat?
cedar wigeon
@somber wigeon I've open all four
but after running the first one there was just portal bacvk
next epoch
right now I'd say best practices are:
- don't use alternate escape routes, always leave the way you came in
- don't leave grand heists until you're done
copper kernel
Dump your inventory in the safe area between wings
cedar wigeon
I wont be playing them right now then
copper kernel
Keep valuables with you
next epoch
most game content tops out around 83
peak terrace
gentle juniper
So, during grand heist you cannot leave to the town to unload the loot? You can take only one inventory worth of loot?
so there is no reason to reveal 3 wings?
You cannot realistacily loot it all
I did
but my bag was already full after 1 wing 😄
I can leave to city and return?
between wings?
I don't want to click on the portal to find out it close behind me 😄
well, you can't 😄 found out the hard way
nvm
I have no clue why can't you loot more? Even betrayal have chest there so you can dump your loot. Imagine if you had simulacrum with just one inventory .....
steel current
@gentle juniper you SHOULD be able to take your portal back and do the other wings after stash dumping, but there's a problem now. Some people say if you keep loading into rogue harbor eventually you'll find your portal again
gentle juniper
Do you need to reveal the alternate exits? Or it works with the main exit too?
steel current
Main exit too, is my understanding
gentle juniper
oki, I will try to load it
eh, I give up .... this will kill me, I guess no league mechanics for another week. This has becoming the norm of the leagues 🙂
sullen scroll
if i use a Experimented Scepter which grants Secret of Suffering along with Anomalous Light Pen can I still shock enemies?
gentle juniper
you wait few weeks before they fix it and then you can play it 🙂
steel current
I might be weird I still think regular heists are fun and have decent rewards, so I'll just keep doing those
rigid stream
Depends on what rewards you expect for the Level of risk you are having
Heists are more dangerous than delirious Maps and drop much less
tender flume
I might be weird I still think regular heists are fun and have decent rewards, so I'll just keep doing those
@steel current you're not weird, they are fun
quaint shadow
My grand heist has 2 wings, each wing has a treasure at the end. Do I have to choose 1 of the 2 treasure rooms or does each wing have a separate alert level?
nimble socket
i guess people run grand heists as white?
since the main thing you want from them is the wing end reawrds
balmy frost
i mean it doesnt hurt to grab some extra stuff 
nimble socket
but the enemies and other stuff will hurt
covert maple
Is there more than 9 rogues?
next epoch
there are two others which only appear during special unique heists
covert maple
figured, adalia i assume cuz i have an item that she can equip
Which of the base 9 can hit level 5 in trap disarmament?
next epoch
Vinderi, who also gets 5 in demolition
pliant stream
what does rais the alert level in the laboratory? there seems to be still a mob or something wich increases the alert level when getting caught...?
toxic pine
in perception there are totems that raise alert when you're in their radius
the rogue with you is supposed to spot them to make them targetable
but realistically, their ai is incredibly dumb and they're probably aggroed to something in the room behind you
rapid shell
it also takes too long to wait for rogue to disable em
toxic pine
just run through and don't open all the chests
somber bison
Is there a best equipment for each heist member?
somber bison
Also, how do you unlock Kurai?
daring atlas
What do the stats on the Cloaks do?
Is that for the helper or is that applied to you?
next epoch
@somber bison You don't, AFAIK. She's used for specific unique heists
torpid breach
Does anyone know what + to level actually does on rogue gear?
I know the + to level of all jobs or specific job levels up the skill, but what's the + to level
violet nymph
Hopefully someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong here, I have run over 10 heists with the people who should grant an additional reveal at the end of one and I have not had a single one. from what I can tell Ive not generated a single extra reveal since league start.
cursive widget
wel[
welp*
blueprints are still officially useless
thought they fixed it where you could go back to harbor to stash your loot but I guess they didnt and I just wasted like 10k coins on a grand heist smh
thorn willow
Salerk do you have a blueprint in the planning table?
inland summit
Whats wrong with blueprints? Havent gotten into the league yet because of studies
cursive widget
basically you can get 3 heists out of one blueprint
but you can only go out of the portal ONCE
and one heists will basically fill your inventory up
so youre stuck with a shit ton of loot that you can't even get
so its better to just run a single heist
than spend like 10k coins on running a grand heist
inland summit
Oh you mean when unlocking additional rooms via bp’s in grand heist?
cursive widget
yep
there is zero point in doing that right now
so better to just save your blueprints in hopes that they somehow patch this
inland summit
I guess that begs the question, is the loot at least good?
cursive widget
I mean not any better than a regular heist no not really
inland summit
Hm
violet nymph
@thorn willow I have discovered the issue, being a filthy casual lol, it would appear it will only grant reveals on heists over lvl 68. and 99% of the ones i have got were below this, so I guess I need to push myself to map higher
inland summit
And hows crafting now with heist?
thorn willow
Heist doesn't have much crafting impact. Heists have new bases and can drop fractured items
inland summit
😦 I think Harvest spoiled me forever.
leaden river
So how do you get trinkets? Are they just random at the end or like do they say trinket or smething?
untold mantle
my vinderi bugged in demolition and just says his line doesnt wnana open the door .. any way to fix it ?
karmic root
god i hate the tower things that raise alert
you can't consistently kill them or target them and in some tilesets you don't even see them. it feels deeply unfair
like i found a spot on one of the tilesets where if i took steps in that room it would raise alert. i'm running ED, so, no mobs i could target. no mobs present spotting me. just alert increase for running through the wrong part of the heist?
they incentivize clearing to the end before looting, because they can mess up your run BADLY if you hit them at 80% through a contract. so last time i looted so little beofre they set off alert that i got more loot fighting my way out than from chests
nimble fiber
sooo what's the point in putting more wings in a grand heist?
toxic pine
more loot
distant osprey
are senior necroscientists supposed to be straight up 1 shotting me at 6.2k ehp?
low gyro
I got oneshoot with vaal 21 molten sheel on a 50k armor juggernaut so I guess your HP doesn't matter at all to some abilities.
And the funny part is that the most imposing and dangerous looking casts are just jokes on the dmg side and the tiniest fireball oneshots you
storm flint
how do you determine what even makes a blueprint valuable?
barren ingot
what big chests it has and what the reward type is
main epoch
I'm in a grand heist rn ... I just completed the 2nd wing. If I return to the rogue harbour will I be able to return for the 3rd wing? The last time I did this, I couldn't return, but rn I can't even hold more items, so I'm really conflicted.
zenith zephyr
How are you guys dealing with observer totems? They are kicking my ass.
main epoch
Run faster
zenith zephyr
That's not working for me. There's just too many totems most of the time. There's got to be a better method for actually dealing with them, yeah?
main epoch
open fewer chests
valid isle
anyone getting lots of ping/lag spikes still?
torn isle
so, is the grand heist wing thing fixed now?
stuck horizon
no idea cause not a single blueprint drop to me (- -")
warped jasper
If killing enemies no longer increase alert level.... can i simply ignore them?
dense drift
I thought alert no longer went up when you kill guards? Am I missing something obvious, because the last 2 heists i ran, the alert level kept going up every time i had to kill something until the lockdown started. I opened no chests.
warped jasper
Well, the last 2 heist it didnt increase alert level by killing them... dont know why
torn isle
Maybe it's specific enemies.
warped jasper
I killed everyone
torn isle
or maybe it was bugged to be unreliably increasing the meter, so they removed the functionality entirely?
dense drift
I mean, it's still doing it for me. Nothing different on the mods, just kept going up
really fast too, I didn't kill many at all
torn isle
Not every enemy type spawns during heists, I'd think the named unique ones might have a different effect?
warped jasper
well, it was a bug i guess. I ll try again. BTW are there any companion that anulls alert level raised by killing enimies
torn isle
dunno then, maybe they set the boolean wrong. :v
warped jasper
killing doesn't raise alert
@toxic pine there was an update?
toxic pine
yes
next epoch
some heists contain enemies that raise alert if they see you
warped jasper
So... i can simply ignore them and nothing will happen? (of course im considering that they wont kill me)