is there a way to search my heist locker for contracts with specific follower skill requirements?
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haughty jay
copper kernel
is that repository
limpid dew
yes
limpid dew
so can i run out with out the alarm going and still get the loot?
copper kernel
if youre not locked in yeah
you dont get coins but that door isnt going to open anyway
limpid dew
yeah^ i just really want to get this loot at the very least, i got 2 breachstones worth 24c each
frigid venture
iirc didn't ggg say heists can be reentered if you're in the correct harbour instance where the portal is still open
void thicket
are green contract drops random?
I failed one during levelling and haven't seen any since
void wing
@void thicket They drop from smuggler caches, you'll get it again if you failed it, eventually.
void thicket
just up to t8 maps now and still nothing
guess it's up to GGG's rng satan
are smuggler's caches supposed to be every map or is that random too?
ruby dew
got all the heist members unlocked, haven't een gotten my hands on tier 4 maps 😕 RNGesus be with you mate
not all maps have a cache/chests with heist coins (or atleast, for the lower tier maps that seems to be the case)
void thicket
just annoying that you can't store them so I tried running them all but my build was really fragile during levelling so I died during one of the green contracts and they haven't shown up since
void thicket
same
void thicket
i'm contemplating just grinding blood aquaducts again
peak terrace
the worst thing is i know ive failed two
ruby dew
those heists would be lower level though, assuming you can find them that way.
void thicket
level doesbn't matter
peak terrace
which is prob why i dont havw a grand heist available after gaining two levels doing contracts at lvl 53
void thicket
if I can't unlock everyone to run grand heists
ruby dew
I found two contracts during delving though.
void thicket
green ones?
ruby dew
nope
void thicket
thats what we're talking about
peak terrace
we talk about green ones
peak terrace
ye thise are required to unlock the story
so to speak
@void thicket i am still lvl 55 so once i find a stash in an area
imma fukin refresh it buncha times
and see if it is there
kek
void thicket
good luck
after these maps I'm going to go grind blood aquaducts
worse thing I'll get is a tabula
lmao just funny to me that I have uber lab before all of the heist NPCs smh
eager terrace
you don't get heist NPCs from green contracts
void thicket
really?
ruby dew
I got most of mine from them. not all though.
eager terrace
no you get them from regular contracts
void thicket
that's the only time I ever got new people
void thicket
that's not very intuitive but I guess I'll try it
my last NPC was Nenet so I've run a bunch of their missions
eager terrace
the green contracts are like personal storylines for each rogue
but they're not tied to finding new rogues
void thicket
okay
I just feel really stuck even though I am trying to do regular contracts too
I just haven't been grinding them as hard as maps
is it tied to any specific NPC (like the last one you acquired, highest skill level, etc?)
eager terrace
I think each rogue introduces you to a specific rogue yeah
ruby dew
buries through search history
eager terrace
not sure I remember them all but like niles is the one that will introduce you to vinderi IIRC
so maybe check if you haven't taken certain rogues on normal contracts
void thicket
hrm
but everyone of my rogues has at least level 3 in at least one skill
is that not enough contract running to trigger the next?
oooh maybe not huck
eager terrace
how many rogues are you missing
fickle current
Is there any way to get rogue harbor to stop crashing my game? Every single time I try to go in and do a heist, I lag out and my game crashes because of how many people are in there
I’m running on 8GB RAM, so it’s not the best, but I just want to be able to do a heist
void thicket
@eager terrace thank you! running Huck worked!
orchid moat
it's a GGG issue, not a computer issue
eager terrace
nice
valid isle
i wont say i find a lot of grand heists
but since doing yellow+ maps
at least i keep a low overall total of coins because i find one blueprint frequentlyish enough
that said, im not even gonna try the level 80 heists
low 70s are scary, high 70s are VERY rippy lol
distant osprey
can you go back to rogue harbour in between wings of a heist?
to stash stuff?
idk if that ends my heist or not...
void wing
Grand heist or normal?
twin crater
Not fixed yet
distant osprey
if i die before alarm is off i can get back in no?
spice cipher
in any way
distant osprey
ugh ok
spice cipher
idk maybe thats fine cause it should put you in the same instance
but i wouldnt risk it
void wing
Currently is broken yea, you will be able to after hotfix.
faint pebble
someone said you could leave normals yesterday part way through, is that also broken?
valid isle
that is what im doing, Chill
got 270% move speed total when flasked up
lol
@verbal crest im kinda lost on those mods on the special loot drops for heist
what makes them unique? <~< most the time they are god awful
verbal crest
what do you mean?
valid isle
like, its highlighted in a different color and all
but the mods seem to be just your average random item mod
am i missing something special about it? lol
verbal crest
like that ring I posted?
valid isle
yeah
+7~13 physical damage on attacks is in a different color, yet the mod itself is totally ordinary
verbal crest
its a fractured mod
valid isle
i have found about 50~ items like that in heists and yet the mods are always just something meh
oh, i thought fractured mods were implicit?
verbal crest
it means you can scour, reroll, ect the item and that mod will always stay there
no synthesized mods are implicit
valid isle
OH
(there are too many keywords at this point.)
(we are hitting MtG levels)
does it still take up a prefix/suffix slot?
verbal crest
the fracture? yes
its still a mod on the item
it just cant change
so if you roll t1 of a good mod on a good base
valid isle
ill keep that in mind then
verbal crest
thats a good crafting base and will be valuble
valid isle
i have been just tossing them all, didnt realize it was a fixed modifier
verbal crest
like if you find a lvl 84 astral plate with T1 life, or a high level foil with t1 phys dmg
thats big money
valid isle
i need those foils <~< lol
im still clearing content with ease
but im using very underwhelming weapons
splitting steel is strong
hybrid garnet
Hey guys
Who is the lady that can have lvl 5 lockpicking?
Ive got all 9 heist people and I dont see her?
velvet palm
pretty sure that's the administrator
hybrid garnet
Also isnt goggles lady with lvl 5 perception the one who opens the portals?
How do I get her to do heists
you can ask the admin to go on heists????
hybrid garnet
Hm
Might just be a weird data mining bug?
Cause this was from poedb
velvet palm
doubt that it's a bug
valid isle
the administratior probably goes with you on the 3 special heists
there are 3 unique heists that i have not found any of yet
but i assume they are end game ones
pliant ravine
If i have a trinket that converts alts to chaos
does chaos to exalt work off of that?
small wigeon
eternal mist
guys, can we go back in the harbour between two wings of a grand heist ? i'm afraid of losing my heist and my inventory is full
sage flame
Getting REAL tired of being instakilled by gray named enemies in Heists
By elemental spells while having max non-chaos resistances
Had just picked up a 6-socket 5-link chestpiece at level 38
faint pebble
i feel your pain, should stop next patch
sage flame
Or by one gray-name chain corpse exploding an entire room
bright verge
Just got an exalted orb in heist and my game crashed before completing the heist. Lost it :(
sage flame
Had one of those and a Vaal orb, too. =/
Decided to get Charged Dash to try and safely kill from around the corners/walls
With Dash and Whirling Blades to pop back out
distant osprey
is vinderi even working? i feel like i havent noticed duplicated chests 1 single time
and ive run probably 100+ contracts by now
maybe im just high idk
violet nymph
Yeah i agree
karmic bay
Is there any available list of body / weapon enchants yet?
lime lion
Someone got an idea, how I get rid of stuff like "Admiral Darnaw's Papers" or "Tullinas Engagement Ring", when the corresponding Heist-Quest-Item where used and the game crashed while doing them?
Cant remove them in hideout, cant put them in stash
cant redo the "quests"
/destroy doesnt work either
velvet palm
you can definitely redo the quests
lime lion
How?
velvet palm
drop the contract again
lime lion
So I just have to stick with 2 items permanently blocking my inventory until I get those random drops again?
lime lion
Very helpful, thanks xD
nimble socket
is poedb.tw listings for the mods on NPC gear broken for ilvl? shows that mods start with ilvl81
https://poedb.tw/us/Silver_Brooch#ModBase for example
next epoch
that's the level for the maximum tier of the mod, click the mods for details of lower tiers
nimble socket
ohhhh, im a dumbdumb
was mainly interested when the ilvl provides benefits mid tier
seems like its 75
next epoch
the level breakpoints are all at 1/45/75/8x
pliant sapphire
Do you spend currency on your Heist contracts? Debating alcing in ssf hc.
From like level 45 and onwards
devout osprey
rip
shut shadow
Hi, guys does this not work? It doesnt actually give me +1 to jobs
viscid tulip
which heist maps contain only robots?
cosmic anvil
Is there anything more important about the Green heists than others? If you just grab loot and gtfo without completing it do you lose anything more than the normal heists?
The ones that show up in your quest log
shut shadow
green contracts open up new skills for your followers
like lockpicking for example for a follow that mains demolition
cosmic anvil
haha, failed it anyway trying to escape, gg
next epoch
if you reached the target and did the thing, you may have completed the quest before failing the heist 🙂
red wharf
can corrupted/21lvl pen gems work for ele pen gem recipe?
craggy ice
how do you get alternate quality gems/replica uniques? I've run 3 grand heists (for a total of 5 wings) and only gotten rare items to choose from...
echo igloo
there is no enemy to control on the other side to open the door
slow oasis
How to unlock all heist rogues? Im missing last 2 and i've been playing "Gianna" all possible contracts i had and still didn't get new one -.- she is atm for me lvl 4 an 20% in deception, max lvl 2 perception, max lvl 2 thaumaturgy, and i still didn't get new member to progress? What should i do, any ideas? :/
next epoch
Which one are you missing? Gianna was the last one I unlocked
agile idol
should I be alching every normal contract I do or does it not really affect the loot from chests
I see it gets way harder when rare relative to magic contracts but item quant and rarity only go up to like 30 and 20% each...
slow oasis
I'm missing Nenet and Tulliana as my last 2 -.- 2 good ones lol
violet nymph
what rogue should i level
distant osprey
can anyone confirm or deny if vinderi is actually working? i genuinely cant tell if the double chest content is ever proccing
im assuming hes straight up broken?
next epoch
@slow oasis Okay, so, you don't get those from Nenet. I got both of those rogues much earlier than Gianna… let me see if I can figure out where exactly they come from
slow oasis
I have 7 out of 9, i followed missions basically every time i unlocked a new one i did that guy only, but after Gianna i did all missions on her and new rogue never showed up, not sure why
violet nymph
should i level huck or is he bad
slow oasis
this might help you out
Purple is "MUST HAVE", "blue is great aswell, Gianna is better than Niles, su never need niles
violet nymph
so if i have multiple rogue options for a heist i should just chose the one with the highest tier
slow oasis
u can choose 1 rogue to fill multiple roles and u should focus doing it on Nenet andTulliana for example cause of their special ability to "reduce alert level" = more loot
next epoch
Okay, so, for starters, you get Tullina from a mission with Tibbs
slow oasis
i just dont know how to get last 2 rogues...im so mad
next epoch
Looking for Nenet's trigger next
modest yoke
next epoch
Oh. And Tullina gives Nenet
rotund pine
i cant find this on the trade site
next epoch
So, all in all:
Karst -> Huck
Huck -> Niles
Niles -> Vinderi
Vinderi -> Gianna
Tibbs -> Tullina
Tullina -> Nenet
stone oriole
got my last exalted before the balance
next epoch
kaCHING
weary crater
GRAND HEISTS FIXED YET?
silver kettle
@weary crater once this patch goes live. servers going down in about half an hour
bold basalt
Seriously, wheres the good loot people talk about in heists
The loot is just meh
And the worst part, you get to the thingy, and since that time there's no loot
It would feel much better if you could get more loot after alarm
pliant ravine
Is Gianna Reveal supposed to be every contract i do with her, or only a chance?
undone island
how do you search for rogue's gear stats on poetrade?
undone island
i wanna buy +1 to all jobs but idk how to look for it
verbal crest
it doesnt seem to work at the moment anyways
pliant ravine
Can someone tell me how perception works?
Do i have to sneak around the mobs to prevent my alert level from rising?
verbal crest
perception is just another skill how they unlock doors
it works the same as every other skills
pliant ravine
when i do perception my alert level goes up without opening chests though?
next epoch
Some heist areas have monsters with skills that increase your alert level.
pliant ravine
hmm interesting, i have only really noticed it in perception heists though
next epoch
It's not specific to having a Perception rogue, afaik
pliant ravine
Is there a way to avoid that from happening?
next epoch
Stay out of range of those monsters, or kill them quickly
trail vessel
is there documentation on what +job level does?
broken garden
Is there anything significant about replica uniques?
verbal crest
yes
next epoch
They're different from the "real" unique in subtle but significant ways
verbal crest
they have different stats than the regular versions
broken garden
Ah gotcha
verbal crest
so, I wonder what they are going to put in this patch. I doubt its the full patch since they said it might take until next week
maybe some of it though?
next epoch
For example, Replica Headhunter steals mods from magic monsters you kill, instead of rare monsters
verbal crest
ability to stash grand heist items between wings 🙏
broken garden
ehh
verbal crest
but still good
broken garden
is it cause rare monsters have more and better mods?
sullen scroll
So I read that each Rogue has their own specialty yes. Is Huck & Tibbs just both Brute Force 5?
next epoch
Every rogue can reach level 5 in one thing, except Vinderi who gets two specialties because he's awesome and Huck who sucks at everything
verbal crest
max level companion of each skill are listed at the right
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/552615024393322506/758094242391523348/Heist-Perk-NPCs.png?width=633&height=677
next epoch
an alternative representation https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/552615024393322506/758453128940224512/Screen_Shot_2020-09-23_at_15.21.46.png
sullen scroll
hmm what about combat use is Huck any good?
Like we get some vague "I haz auraz 2 buff youz" from GGG
verbal crest
I mean, if you can run maps you should be able to run similar level heists without needing to be buffed
its a waste of other perks from better companions
viscid tulip
which are the best heist maps, bunker laboratory etc?
rare girder
Didnt ggg say something about being able to loot more than one wing in grand heist ?
hoary sage
So I guess with 12.2 they try to return you to the same instance
But I keep getting Instance is full
Did Isla lose her heist perk?
rapid shell
Is there a cheatsheet with heist - what rooms give what final rewards and what type of items go into the followers?
still mural
there's one in #guides-archive
violet nymph
How is heists after patch? Nerfed hard? Is it even worth to do now?
hoary sage
After 20 minutes of doing heist, I can tell you I have insubstantial amount of data
I'll get back to you after a bigger sample size
violet nymph
ok, thanks for your investigation, i don't have much contracts to do it myself...
leaden river
So can we leave grand heists now between wings to store items?
hoary sage
Seems like it, unless you're unlucky and the instance is full for an extended time
serene wing
How do we unlock additional wings on Grand Heists? I am not seeing any info or buttons on this
hoary sage
I was stuck trying to leave a heist for af ew minutes cuz my instance was full
coral anvil
did they nerf small chests? after update those gives like 15-20% alert level
cant seem to find it in patch notes
hoary sage
Probably this line hafal
Rebalanced the amount of Alert Level that Reward Room and Main Path Chests generate when opened.
oh, must have missed it ty
weary crater
good thing I ran all my heists during the free period
hoary sage
It's only the first line of the patch notes 
weary crater
loool god damn this league
still mural
take the blueprint to the barber, and it'll show what you can unlock @serene wing
next epoch
the tiny alert level raise from small chests in 3.12.1 was outright broken
serene wing
@still mural Thank you!
next epoch
the original value for that was balanced around the opportunity cost of having to kill guards -- without that, you ended up able to open practically every small chest in a map without having to worry about alert
fallow vessel
they clearly have no idea how to balance it, so the pendulum swung towards "not worth your time"
only this time it's because it's less rewarding than maps, instead of crashes (but not excluding them)
stone oriole
Did they fix the final doors in grand heists? I got hosed after spending 10k+ marks on one before this patch.
fallow vessel
allegedly. i'm still crashing in basic heists so i'm not putting any blueprints on the funeral pyre
rapid shell
So all lorewaves have been limited to 78% ?
blissful agate
Is it just me that can only open like 4 chests before maximum alert level? This is ridiculous I have to run past literally all of the chests lol
blissful agate
Like 3 hours ago I was able to hit nearly every single chest except the big ones
now I can only open 3-4 small ones and im at maximum alert level
violet nymph
whats a good build for heist
rapid shell
it's what the community wants
viscid tulip
nobody wants this
fallow vessel
knee jerk reaction changes and nerfs
i'm not saying that karst generating tons of currency for free is balanced, but having deterministic heists for each reward type was good
now everyone has weapons and armor by default and you're lucky if you get more than one reward room of a new league type
hoary sage
Karst is still op tho
fallow vessel
so far the nerf hit Vinderi the hardest
hoary sage
Just slam +% quantity drops on karst and go to town on chests
viscid tulip
what does it mean opens 2 chests , 2 chests for free? or after lockdown?
fallow vessel
Vinderi has increased alert gain from opening the normal chests
so now its hard to get more than two of those and still do your reward rooms
spiral cipher
so did they just nerf the ever living hell out of heist rewards
rapid shell
what does it mean opens 2 chests , 2 chests for free? or after lockdown?
@viscid tulip vinderi doesn't open anything after lockdown
fallow vessel
Tibbs lets you break the shields on normal chests after lockdown
2 at max level iirc
viscid tulip
they nerfed everything, time to wait for another unnerf fix
rapid shell
but if you wanna do heists that require lvl 5, you are mostly stuck with vinderi, not karst
round vigil
Can you re enter a grand heist if you leave the portal
rapid shell
Can you re enter a grand heist if you leave the portal
@round vigil you also could before... you jsut had to get to rhe right instance
took me like 30 tries once
:))
round vigil
Did they actually fix that tho
fallow vessel
there is a big heist crash right now though
they tweeted out that they're trying to hotfix it asap
hoary sage
From my experience, it seems they are locking you to an instance id when you enter a heist
rapid shell
Did they actually fix that tho
@round vigil that's what they said
hoary sage
I got "Instance is full" when I tried to leave a heist
Spamming that portal for a minute
rapid shell
:)))
hoary sage
More downtime
fallow vessel
they're trying to - rogue harbor being a town means you can get fucked out of your heist just by population
isn't MTX advertising great???
hoary sage
Just put a stash in the staging area
hoary sage
Or have Adiyah function as a contraband mule
spiral cipher
i just want to play temple runner
hoary sage
If you're really unlucky and your whole harbor instance is full of afks when you're doing a grand heist
You're stuck in the heist unable to leave to stash stuff
rigid stream
Does vinderi even work, the double loot part?
fallow vessel
You are now teleported to the top of the stairs when you have completed the quest "The Rogue Harbor"
hoary sage
It's a x% chance
fallow vessel
That's great but why the hell is the waypoint man not up here too
hoary sage
Immersion, Hugh
rapid shell
Does vinderi even work, the double loot part?
@rigid stream is it supposed to generate 2 chests instead of one, or is he supposed to grant more stuff when you open a chest?
cause it seemed he just created 2 chests, but due to alert, couldnt open 1
rigid stream
more stuff if you loot
hoary sage
But we have quantity item dropped now, or atleast I got one now and not before
rigid stream
that do not much
because its multiplicative
and historically doesnt work on reward chests
so overall this feels like just a fairly sizable loot nerf
rapid shell
For those who wondered, Replica lorewave was also nerfed.
Pre-patch it had 75% rez cap. Now it's limited to 72....
So this item just became useless
stone oriole
I'm going to attempt to do a grand heist and see if the doors are still broken
fallow vessel
the fix makes sense from a programming perspective, but it's still a feelsbad
next epoch
I mean... it's still a chest with a bunch of stats. just one which means you take a max res hit
rigid stream
70-72
weary crater
ROFL
weary crater
my rogue just got stuck
again
in a grand heist
???????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
rapid shell
Video + feedback
But, try to move out, far away (so he teleports to you)
then move back in
random glacier
yeah hesitantly thinking of doing a grand heist...hows it looking so far
next epoch
@rapid shell so yeah, replica gives significantly more crit chance, life/es, and mana, at the expense of the resists thing
hoary mauve
Stuff still broken, had to reset a door because talina got stuck invis on the one side of the door before going into the grate, got to the end picked up a divergent disciple only to be greeted by a DC to lose it all.
random glacier
F
hoary mauve
Like how hard is to to fix their stability of the league mechanic
fallow vessel
its like pulling on a thread in your blanket. either you get a neat little cut or it starts to unravel the whole thing
hoary mauve
and if they cant successfully do that they need to temporarily remove the contraband system so you dont get fully fucked out of loot
I lost a full wing of a grand heist and a 45c+ alt gem
fallow vessel
basically mediumcore
hoary mauve
meh my first character this league was SSF HC
still doesnt make the issues with stability of main content during the league
wicked oak
Wait guys, am I able to go to town and stash during a grand heist before another wing?
wicked oak
So as long as there is a wing I can go to stash stuff
still mural
yep!
wicked oak
Awesome, thank you!
hoary mauve
You always should of been able to
but they bugged it out
it was taking you to another instance of the harbor when you left bricking your run
but that was supposed to be fixed in this patch
but I dont trust it to work fully 100% of the time, because after 3 patches of bug fixes
the same stuff is continuedly bugged
stone oriole
did a grand heist in tunnels and didn't have any problems with the final doors
still mural
tunnels wasn't a layout that had the issue, though
was just repository and library, I believe
stone oriole
ah alright I'll wait before doing those
still mural
should be fixed now 🤷
hoary mauve
idk what one I did right after patch but I got all the way thru the first wing, got my divergent discipline, only to freeze and be kicked out to the log in screen
losing my gem and my second win
wing*
verbal crest
can you not roll positive modifiers on contracts anymore?
OH
alert reduction is an implicit now
got it
next epoch
- Exiting a Heist can once again place you in a Rogue Harbour instance that does not contain your Heist Portal. This is a temporary measure to fix an issue introduced in 3.12.2 where players were unable to leave a Heist if the instance that contained their Heist portal was full. We will properly fix this issue in a future patch.
🎺 wah wah
still mural
😠
toxic pine
if only the harbor wasn't a hub for no reason at all
hallow rose
Its a hub for them to advertise
stone oriole
are skeleton archers good? I can afford the gem and I want it but I don't want it to underperform my 21 vaal SS
untold dragon
It's cheaper to trade blueprints than unlocking more wings
ilvl 74 blueprint is ~3000 markers to reveal new wings (8-10c).. ilvl74 blueprint is 4-6c
stone oriole
Yeah I really don't know why they put harbour as a hub when I think every other league instance isn't shared
toxic pine
it doesn't help that 50% of the league mechanic blows
walk through the same hallway for 5 minutes while occasionally pausing to watch the same boring animation
after you reach the end, you can finally play the game
i played one of the unique heists, and it was actually fun because it skipped the boring part
eager pine
how do I get the 9th one?
eager terrace
run regular contracts with vinderi
eager pine
I guess I'll try with traps and engineering
quasi verge
You will now be placed slightly further away from the portal when entering a Heist.
Thank you!!!
granite barn
Does someone have the sheet for the min-max for the trinket currency mods?
still mural
yes, they reverted the fix
weary crater
wait what
eager pine
weary crater
yikes
cursive widget
if you complete a grand heist can you go go back into your portal to pick up loot?
next epoch
not reliably
still mural
If you can get back into that instance of the harbor, yes. So it's more reliable in smaller leagues, like private leagues and hardcore/hc ssf
pseudo hull
where was that guy telling me that the loot is fine
now that these hotfixes and updates have come in
LULW
naive forum
Do small chests count as rewards chests for thieves trinkets?
still mural
"reward chests" is specifically big chests, I believe, from how they phrased the nerf to Karst's perk in the last patch notes
lone hatch
have they fixed grand heist yet?
I want to run one but I don't know if it will bug or not lol
still mural
they have fixed the doors in the end being unopenable. they have not fixed the instance issue to reliably leave and return
(or rather they fixed it, then reverted the fix because it caused another problem)
next epoch
((because it caused the same problem in an even worse form))
dense drift
Do the new orbs (tempering/Tailoring) replace implicits, or add on to existing implicits?
violet nymph
Enchantments are separate from implicits
true bridge
For the experimented base type shields what are the numbers for the ailments inflicted on block?
pseudo hull
so small bronze chests give 12.5% threat now
and large chests are 25% threat
and monsters are 0 threat
seems like in order for the mechanic to really feel unique
monsters need to give threat
has to be urgency
next epoch
or make the alert escalate with time maybe
once alert hits a certain point, it starts going up further on its own perhaps
pseudo hull
as it is right now
it's just a map with shitty XP and guaranteed chests
make it feel more like oba's cursed trove used to be
vernal oracle
Can all your followers gear roll reduced alert or only certain pieces?
still mural
check poedb
peak terrace
i think ziz gave the bestest of solution for heist
alert goes up when seen
and down when u kill all enemies that saw you
if u wanna rush and grab the loot u canot pick all chests
weary crater
won't work either
during the period of free loot everything
I ran through an entire heist (minus the door delays) around 200%ms killin everything behind me
ocean narwhal
how about alert starting to go up slowly when you open your first chest,
though that primarily benefits zoom zoom builds, hmmm
violet nymph
"all sockets are green" is kind of a rip though lol
valid isle
agreed
violet nymph
there's basically no context where you don't lose something there
valid isle
yeah, i dislike those
violet nymph
though i guess you could take one of those orbs and change it right
once the price goes down lol
valid isle
either way, great stats for a random item lol
ocean narwhal
Oh wait
how about Inverting how it works entirely, and make the timer start to tick down when you grab the main item OR when you grab too many boxes
and adjusting the amount of time you have before reinforcements show up by the amount of remaining alert when you grab the target
Grabbing the target, and then zoom around trying to grab everything else, or grabbing what optional rewards you can safely and then making a beeline for the door when phase 2 starts
onyx badge
in a grand heist, can you loot multiple wings or do you have to pick only one wing
stone oriole
you can loot multiple wings
and you secure loot after you finish each wing
whats the point of the storyline quests besides some background/challenges
still mural
they may be related to the heist bosses? not sure
otherwise, yeah, just lore/challenges/rogue xp
next epoch
I'm pretty certain they're related to the bosses
"breaking the unbreakable" is definitely related to isla, and "death to darnaw" sounds related to whakano
ocean narwhal
or faustus
sage moss
hey guys, i haven't done heist since last night pre patch, is heist still worth it or am i better off running t16 maps?
valid isle
wew, thats trash luck, vaaled 5 red maps in a row, and got phys reflect all 5 times lol
still mural
heist is still great. harder to open every chest now, though usually still possible if you work at it
valid isle
yeah, still lots of good loot
next epoch
if the gem has a phantasmal quality, I don't see why not
next idol
i have been trying to roll and spend like 10+ regrding but couldnt get it
just htinking maybe it's excluded and only can drop thru heist
still coral
phantasmal seems to be the rarest one in general
next idol
Yeah, if there is a possibilty, I'd try more. just wanna know if its totally excluded or not
I'd assume not but idk
wicked oak
Anyone feel that these alt gems and replica uniques were a miss?
still coral
most of them are underwhelming, but some of them are amazing, like Anomalous Arctic Armour
verbal path
Out of 4 contracts I did, 2 errors occured
valid isle
that said, id really like some more currency/value drops lol
ill never earn 15 ex this way XD
violet nymph
alt quality is really cool
quite a few of them enable builds you wouldn't do otherwise
valid isle
voltaxic rift with chaos ignite gloves
shock and burn with chaos bow fun times
i started doing the level 80 heists though
like holy hell
hybrid ingot
just got killed on the 2nd intro mission where brute force goes through doors, now i cant repeat it anymore i think :d
heady pier
Fixed a bug where, when returning to The Rogue Harbour from a Heist area, you could be placed in a Rogue Harbour instance that did not contain the portal to your Heist area.
oh god
heady pier
now grand heists with multiple wings are viable
cunning blade
how are u guys getting your blueprints
heady pier
cuz im usually full of loot during one wing
cunning blade
buying them?
sage thorn
Wondering how much this League will be iterated on over these months.
cunning blade
wdym
heady pier
it kinda good as it is, imo
cunning blade
^
heady pier
idk
heady pier
i roleplay swat team commander
cunning blade
like literally free
heady pier
golems go on
sage thorn
Totally removing the "killing enemies increases alert level" mechanic was imo not the best choice.
cunning blade
are there any bosses so far?
heady pier
yes, 3
cunning blade
I don't really mind the enemies not giving alert anymore but
there never really was a reason to kill anything in the first place
heady pier
83 heists rares with + 50 more hp
cunning blade
which is the part im sorta bummed about the league
cunning blade
yea but u just rush around and get loot
no need dps, just be mega tank and go nyoom
heady pier
stone golems
sage thorn
there never really was a reason to kill anything in the first place
Back then I killed certain guards to give myself a better hiding spot from incoming patrols.
cursive widget
ahhh gotcha, I am currently making a max block glad for heist and im lvl 70 rn and gotta say, I can literally walk into those huge barricades of soldiers and hp bar barely moves lmao it feels amazing
ornate flower
dude
heady pier
anyway at grand heists i always unlock backup exit
ornate flower
engineering mission still disconnects?
heady pier
so it's even easier than normal
ornate flower
just lost a cospri
heady pier
never got dc there
got locked round vault door many times
round one
and demo job bugging out
sage thorn
there never really was a reason to kill anything in the first place
which is the part im sorta bummed about the league
That's the idea isn't it? Being more discreet and not leeroy-jenkins'ing your way through? Not doing much killing is sorta the idea behind this kind of thing.
valid isle
@silver kettle how do i report a missing unique item slot in the unique tab? lol
i cant put The Ghastly Theatre into the tab
hybrid ingot
Fixed a bug where, when returning to The Rogue Harbour from a Heist area, you could be placed in a Rogue Harbour instance that did not contain the portal to your Heist area.
@heady pier my bad, thought i was in poe console :d
heady pier
but overall i feel that lab as run and loot content is more balanced than heists
you need to run, you have heavy damage, you have moderately fat boss.
heists just run
sage thorn
heists just run
Yeah especially if you ignore the chests and just beeline for the target item.
valid isle
that said, i still dont find enough grand heists
sage thorn
For a while I don't think I'll be fully over the decision to totally remove "killing enemies increases alert level" instead of tweaking it like "aggro'd enemies raise alert level while they're still alive" or something like that.
ocean narwhal
Man the reddit page is pure salt
I imagine GGG are working on a replacement system for alerts and whatever
sage thorn
Hm, nice haul.
ocean narwhal
What build is that?
sage thorn
I mean I don't care much about Reddit; at least I don't look to it for serious discussion about the patches.
I imagine GGG are working on a replacement system for alerts and whatever
We'll see. I don't doubt that the League will be gradually changed and tweaked.
valid isle
yeah, getting stuck and dying sucks
my issue is the level 67 and the level 80 rewards are almost identical
barren ingot
heist feels kind of fundamentally flawed
there's not terribly much point in killing and a lot of the mechanics just gate you for no reward
sage thorn
there's not terribly much point in killing.
It's very different from what you normally do (mow down enemies just by looking at them) but I wouldn't call it 'flawed' on that basis.
ocean narwhal
Honestly I'd prefer it in it's original conception, where enemies raise the alert bar
but I just don't know HOW enemies raise the alert bar
sage thorn
Idea 1: aggro'd enemies raise the alert bar while they're still alive. Thus if you kill them before they see you the alert level won't raise.
Or you at least if you're spotted you have a small window to kill them before they start raising the Alert.
ocean narwhal
That or increase the number of traps and player dodgable content, labyrinth style
escaping while dodging traps and stuff would be hard
But I guess you could disable them in phase 1 in exchange for alert level
sage thorn
What if low-health enemies started running away and aggro'ing other idle enemies?
ocean narwhal
Or as I said earlier, making the countdown after maxing out the alert bar shorter
but taking the main artifact causes the timer to start instead of going into instant lockdown
barren ingot
irs flawed because there's not really much point to most of it.
ocean narwhal
which means you can nab some of the chests on the way out
barren ingot
like if you break it down it's just a glorified tukohama animation that looks cool but most of it is just roadblocking the player for..why exactly
ocean narwhal
you can make the timer longer the more empty the alert bar is
Challenge and tension?
Oh I guess on your way in sure
barren ingot
the way in part is entirely pointless
sage thorn
like if you break it down it's just a glorified tukohama animation that looks cool
I'm not educated enough in PoE-lingo to understand this.
ocean narwhal
but on your way out it stops ultra zoomy builds from going too zoom
barren ingot
the way out is actually kinda cool and fun as a gameplay mechanic
ok so way back when, tukohama was a master you could take missions from
wait no ttukohama, wahts his name
haku
sage thorn
the way out is actually kinda cool and fun as a gameplay mechanic
Mowing down waves of enemies?
Don't you do that everywhere in PoE?
Well, except here they infinitely spawn.
barren ingot
well, unlike other parts of PoE, your mission is primarily just getting the hell out moreso than anything else, which isn't. a enormous distinctio from the normal kill zoom kill zoom but it's something
sage thorn
I remember doing a bit of that when I played Breach league (then dropped the game for a long time before picking it up at Delirium).
barren ingot
but getting in is like - obviously they couldn't design a good stealth mission, and they didn't really set up any sort of meaningful choice with looting, so it's just. a bunch of animations playing out snz
and trying to add alert if mobs get away or whatever doesnt fix that, since it doesnt change the fact you just kind of want to blast them anyway
sage thorn
well, unlike other parts of PoE, your mission is primarily just getting the hell out moreso than anything else, which isn't. a enormous distinctio from the normal kill zoom kill zoom but it's something
I find that it's more practical to focus on running when you're real close to the exit.
Until then I find it best to not rush, especially when dealing with crowds behind locked doors.
void wing
I have an increased effect quicksilver of adrenaline and a quartz, feels great running through huge packs of enemies.
And as a miner I setup outside each door that opens to soften things up.
barren ingot
there's some degree of nuance to it, since sometimes it's better to cull the herd a bit before going onwards
esp if you have walls in the way you need to open
void wing
I'm out in less than a minute.
Haven't done 83 heists yet so I dunno how that'll feel.
sage thorn
There's not really any incentive or explicit need to zoom out ASAP, as far as I know.
void wing
Yea, same, but this is a gameplay loop not found in mapping.
Where leaving without killing makes sense.
sage thorn
you want to leave right away so you can move onto the next thing
That's more the player holding their own ass to the fire than the game holding the player's ass to the fire, though I get it. Challenges, yeah.
barren ingot
it's just a consequence of how poe's designed, there's no real time gate in place, or any reason to slow down, so going as fast as possible at all times is The Way To Go
like technically heist slows you down but not in a way that changes how you play, it just inconveneinces you.
sage thorn
like technically heist slows you down but not in a way that changes how you play, it just inconveneinces you.
It inconveniences the people who don't want to play in a different way at least.
But yeah we're sorta getting into the idea of players' willingness to try new playstyles vs the game's ability to provide incentives for players to try new playstyles.
lost trench
is Heist really that bad now? As dead as reddit says it is?
sage thorn
Because not everyone's gonna wanna go fast, even if it's the "meta".
pastel token
is the old chart for what dudes have what chests in them still accurate?
or has it changed
still mural
it's changed; see the new one in #guides-archive
pastel token
Thanks
still mural
Heist is awesome, ignore reddit.
sage thorn
Yeah, I don't put much stock in Reddit discussions.
still mural
reddit trends negative in general because the folks who enjoy the game/league are playing instead of spending much time on reddit
valid isle
i continue to be sad with grand heist curio display options lol
still mural
personally I'm having a blast
still mural
I wouldn't go that far, especially given that there are some significant bug issues
sage thorn
Personally I'm bummed by the total removal of "killing enemies raises alert level", instead of tweaking it.
heady pier
Same with warframe, tarkov and other looters
valid isle
i enjoy the league, i just find the rewards to be very hit and miss
heady pier
Idk
still mural
I'm probably biased in that regard by playing ssf
very few of the rewards are bad in ssf. mostly just talismans.
heady pier
I take 4 exalted shards per repository
sage thorn
Yeah I'm playing SSF as well actually.
heady pier
Fine for me
still mural
weapons are the next worst just because 1h weapons exist, so a 6L isn't as likely and doesn't have as many builds that care about one
valid isle
i have only ever found one good talisman lol
heady pier
Talisman league was shit overall
valid isle
and like, i cant say im doing bad this league
sage thorn
Everyone should get used to bugs by now
On one hand, a growing game that gets changed and augmented with time will naturally have bugs.
On the other hand, we shouldn't encourage a mentality of "ah we'll fix it next patch"
valid isle
im at about 5 ex in value total
but i have yet to find an augmented quality gem
and i have only found 2 replica uniques
sage thorn
I'm more focused on Heist's gameplay more than the rewards I get from it.
heady pier
@sage thorn they fix it on the fly because the nature of the game doesnt allow beta test
And first couple of days they get dozens of thousands beta testers
sage thorn
Right.
valid isle
id say it isnt so much about rewards
as they have so many cool things to mess around with in this game
and i want the chance to play with things lol
frigid venture
is this talking about each leech instance?
valid isle
damn thats sexy lol
frigid venture
what does it mean
violet nymph
Can you leave grand heists between wings?
frigid venture
does it add up to 200% increased max recovery per second if you have 5 leech instances?
it raises the leech cap like ethereal feast right?
that sounds broken if it's per leech stack
frigid venture
doesn't that make ghost reaver obsolete? I know they're multiplicative but this support alone is more than enough to cover the leech rate in that case
valid isle
unsure, it probably has some sort of hard cap i imagine
otherwise its infinite leech speed
heady pier
I mean there are rings with 100ish increased life leech rate
Or whatever are rolls on that conq mod
valid isle
yeah, increase maximum is pretty crazy, especially per leach
an average pack of mobs in maps will result in like +800% maximum leach rate
which would be like... 5x your ES per second? lol
frigid venture
if it works like that, who would still wanna use ghost reaver?
sage thorn
People who don't yet have the gem?
molten flower
Someone knows whats the item to transfer an heist enchant to another item?
lost trench
is it still true you don't lose exp in heist?
heady pier
I mean there was a thing with triggering all bow gems replica
So everything possible
Spagetti
still mural
wanna say it was a tailor's orb? but not totally sure @molten flower
they said they patched that but I haven't paid enough attention to see if that's true @lost trench
valid isle
i havent seen one yet
heady pier
btw, does gem chest drop that harvest exp things?
or there is no point to click it at all
bold basalt
Hey, you know the trinket that gives chance to 6link items in heist.
I've been wearing it for 5days,and got 0 6links
I think it's broken.
bold basalt
Because I keep getting 6 socket 5 linked items pretty consistently
molten flower
Oh there is one for weapons aswell
heady pier
it's normal for heist afaik
molten flower
Tempering Orb
bold basalt
1% is pretty high chance tho
heady pier
i dont dig trinkets
bold basalt
Tbh I hate the heists
heady pier
i find running grand heists with trinket reward waste of coins and time
if there is no demolition or lockpick esp
or at least engineering if it's 83
bold basalt
Everyone says the rewards are good, but the best I got was tabula, carcass jack, and maligoros gloves
About 1 ex of worthy loot, and some chaos I guess
bold basalt
They are so boring
eager terrace
I have a super juicy grand heist that I have to sit on because it requires agility 5
bold basalt
I do about 10 a day
heady pier
83 heist gives 650 agility exp
bold basalt
But so many bug out, or have like 5c of drops
eager terrace
yeah I already burned all my agility maps
eager terrace
will have to buy some
bold basalt
I'd be better off selling the heists tbh
bold basalt
And so far every grand heists but 2 bugged out
It's bad because it's boring and broken.
bold basalt
Heist just look better compared to harvest
heady pier
i just played 5th delve league in a row instead of that shitshow
bold basalt
Delirium and meta was Bae leagues
heady pier
meta was boring
bold basalt
Delve and heist are bad
heady pier
loot pinahtas
for you
i dont say harvest is bad
some people cant afford good crafts
im not one of them
bold basalt
Meta wasn't the height of design, but it worked nicely with reworked atlas
heady pier
not
i get 5 ex shards per 84 lockpick
83
im fine with it
demo is more tricky, but could be even better
if you are into jewel market
dusky cedar
I actually like heist a lot
sage thorn
Is it that bad now?
I find the challenge in reaching the target item to be kinda neutered now.
Though I've not done a Grand Heist yet, just Contracts.
bold basalt
I just don't get how they designed heists so meh
dusky cedar
(also I dropped unrequited love doing a heist yesterday)
bold basalt
I just want solid, map integrated league
heady pier
heists drop on maps
heady pier
idk
i never wait for anything
since i finish my 50ish ex build in 3 weeks
and drop the league
dusky cedar
Mirrors are very low atm, I'd rather wait for them to go above 100ex
bold basalt
I bought 2 shards and prolly gonna hold until they fix the league
heady pier
i dont save currency that gonna burn in the end anyway
if i need something i buy it now
1-2ex per sulphite cap is fine for me.
bold basalt
I need either asenaths gloves or explode chest, and don't have money for either
dusky cedar
I did, never made close to that in 10k sulphite
heady pier
sulphite cap is 56k
some people invest hard and push 2k+ depth
and it's quite great money at that point
but i just wall all day
another one. https://i.imgur.com/TXMFxyP.jpg
just like that
keen ibex
Quick question: I've read on a couple posts that after 3.12 tweaking the reward chest weight and alert levels, there has been another server side hotfix tweaking the values again. Is this true? Can't find a reference
heady pier
they tweaked karst bonus
he doesnt reduce small chest alert gen anymore
but i guess you are talking about something else
still mural
I haven't seen a patch note saying it, but it could've been a stealth adjustment
quick raven
I actually really like the league overall, I'm only lv 58 on my char and haven't gotten to maps or done grand heists, but making chests and openables the source for rewards with monsters being the obstacle is neat and intuitive
keen ibex
yeah I'm talking about something else
Some people are saying there have been tweaks after the reported patch notes
bringing things a bit closer to pre-patch
especially w.r.t. alert levels
I didn't play in between so I can't tell
still mural
I did, but I was getting rogue equipment as I went, as well as levels, so idk if it was adjusted again or if it was just me progressing
by the way, do folks remember which rogue brought which rogue for them? trying to put together a guide to that
I have Karst brings Huck brings Niles brings Vinderi brings Gianna, but I'm forgetting who Isla & Tibbs brought between Tullina & Nenet
sage thorn
Tibbs brings Tullina.
I think Tullina brings Nenet.
keen ibex
yeah Tullina brings Nenet
still mural
awesome, thanks
next epoch
next epoch
@heady pier armour, weapons, and accessories got added to a bunch of jobs, mostly
hoary sage
Did they change contracts droprate?
next epoch
Brute force is still kind of garbage
rigid stream
So now all heist types got The Bad reward types added?
next epoch
Some did. Some got not-bad reward types added
hoary sage
Huh, I just went 5 maps no contract drops
RNG be RNG I guess
I used to average 2 per map yday
next epoch
iirc perception and counter-thaumaturgy used to be total garbage, now they're less garbage
rigid stream
Brute force got better but Trap disarment is very bad now
next epoch
oh, hang on, found an original reference… let me compare
trap disarm was always bad and that hasn't really changed
rigid stream
The abyss reward needs to be improved somehow, or removed. It only Drops jewels which are kinda iffy once you have 50 of them
next epoch
harbinger reward needs to drop a lot more shards and maybe skip shards of non-harb currency, talisman reward needs to die
lime ferry
is it only the first (top-most) skill of a rouge that can go past level 3?
next epoch
vinderi gets two 5s, huck gets only 3s
and there's a handful that get a 4 in their second skill
lime ferry
ah ok was just looking at the challenge to get all skills to 5 and saw no trap disarm for the top-most slot on any rouge 🙂
next epoch
that'd be vinderi, who gets 5 in demolition and traps
rigid stream
Too Bad taking vinderi now is kinda bad
And i still havent seen confirmation his positive Even works
violet nymph
whats the max lvl of the companions in heist?
still mural
skill level? max 5, but each rogue has their own cap for each skill they have; see #guides-archive
craggy lotus
Do the damage modifiers on gear (like Precise Arrowhead Projectile Attack Damage) apply to rogues or the player?
still mural
if they apply to the player, they'll explicitly say so
if they don't, it's just the rogue they're equipped to
craggy lotus
That's what I thought, just wasn't 100% sure, thanks.
still mural
the auras work as you expect auras to work and affect everyone nearby, ofc
hybrid mist
guys, how can I refresh rogue harbour? Just finished 2 of 3 wings in grand heist and I could do nothing else than return to harbour
and I know we can still be redirected to different instances of it
grizzled thunder
I just ported back to my hideout and back until i found my portal
still mural
^
still mural
depending what league you're in/how many players are online rn in that league, there could be a lotta instances; have to get lucky to get back to the right one
hybrid mist
damn.. I regret taking time off from work for this league.
rapid shell
so, heist dead?
sage thorn
shrug
void wing
Where is this image from?
rapid shell
reddit somewhere
void wing
Reddit...
hybrid mist
The hivemind
void wing
I like to take everything from a reddit with a grain of salt.
sage thorn
A site like Reddit where statements that end up unpopular get pushed out of sight isn't exactly a place I would look to for info.
still mural
heist is great IMO
hybrid mist
I'm keen to find an alternative to reddit
No, it's not
Well, maybe for you, but for me it's constant crashes and lost portals
still mural
well, I'm saving my blueprints for when they fix the portal/instance issue
hybrid mist
then you can't say if it's great
still mural
but yeah, I know some folks are still having crashes
hybrid mist
if you're not even doing content
still mural
I've done enough & seen others do enough grand heists to know they're good once the portal issue is fixed, and I'm really enjoying contract heists as is, so... to me, it's great 🤷
rapid shell
heist is great IMO
@still mural I feel its kinda of a waste of time now. I've done heist since last night and in 10 heist is probably what i would have got in 2 heists before
Doing heists 78-79 was rewarding. Now not even 83 are worth anymore. It's just more time consuming and less loot / less relevant loot
that's my impression at least
hybrid mist
Rewards are great, but that's overshadowed by sizable amount of bugs
rapid shell
Great how? In 10 heists I got a few vaals and alchemies and random ilvl 83 3 sockets body armors / fragments / teal oils
I would run 2 or 3 maps during the time i run 1 83 heist. I get no exp, if I die i lose 10% and less loot...
Why would I still run heists?
hybrid mist
huh?
rigid stream
Is it true they reverted the Change to small Chest alert?
hybrid mist
I've got 200 stacked decks just from heists during 3 days
still mural
are you using rogue equipment reasonably well? @rapid shell
hybrid mist
entire 2 quad tabs of random currency and loot
bro, I think you're doing something wrong there
still mural
cause that sounds like you aren't able to open many boxes, which means you aren't using rogue equipment
like, with useful mods rolled on it
rapid shell
are you using rogue equipment reasonably well? @rapid shell
@still mural uhm, probably not. Any tips? I just equipped whatever
rigid stream
Rewards we're Changes this night letuce