frosty basin
Why is alternate quality cast when damage taken support possibly good? It's just "20% more damage required to trigger", why is that good?
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shy lance
It costs 3 ex because it's only one on the market and nobody is buying it not because it's good.
Also even if you are terribly unlucky you could get it cheaper with using Secondary Regrading Lens. So it's most likely someone putting it up early on league start and hoping to cash in because of exclusivity.
ocean narwhal
So what does tullina's perk actually mean?
if I take her into a secret room on a blueprint, she's got a chance to reveal a new heist target?
how does that work?
shy lance
She accumulates cheaper Grand Heist unveils. If you put a Grand Heist into "reveal blueprint details" at the barber, Tully or Neil they will offer to reveal additional rooms and wings.
Given how rare the drops are, unlocking wings are a must and once the patch drops additional rooms should be fine too.
You do not have to actually go to the NPC itself. You can put the Grand Heist in at the barber (Wallach?) and the cycle the NPCs on lower left corner
shy lance
Oh
I totally derped
I wrote what the Deception chick does
Tullina just gives chance at double drop
keen grail
anyone know how to fix an issue where i get disconnected like 75% of the time i go to the heist place?
ocean narwhal
oh so if i take tullina to a grand heist and hit up every secret room, I'll get a small chance at a double drop? hm
shy lance
No. She only gives chance to drop "Heist Target"
Or at least that's what I think.
Maybe works in Grand Heist too but I assumed it's the things you fence.
Anyone knows/can confirm?
ocean narwhal
"18% chance to find additional heist targets from secret reward rooms"
Note: secret reward rooms are the rooms you unlock
on a grand heist
it might actually give a chance that secret rooms will have heist target glass cases?
It might drop heist target stuff when you open a secret reward chest?
who knows
wanton rivet
yeah idk how ggg releases this stuff and noone knows how it works lol
shy lance
Hmm.. looking at the Grand Heist description the "Secret Reward Room" seems to be the one with League chests (Weapons/Harbringer etc)
And Heist Target is whatever is on the Contract/Grand Heist.
So going by that: Chance to drop whatever is the Heist/Grand Heist target also from the Chests in Secret Reward room?
Testing time 😄
rigid stream
Tullina? Easy
She has a X% Chance to drop a golden Idol from any big chest
You can sell that for extra coins
ocean narwhal
Oh i see
somber bison
did ggg do the hotfix where killing mobs won't raise alert yet?
crisp tree
no
somber bison
Lame
dense cove
Insert "it's X time in new Zealand"
green sequoia
restive geode
good bot
north crow
how high do the rogue skills go? Niles seemed to cap out at 4 when i finished the mission but I have lvl 5 gear
next epoch
Varies by rogue and skill.
rotund falcon
Did a story contract but died and now the quest item is stuck in my inventory until i get the contract again
is this intended or a bug?
restive geode
you can drop the item away in a zone or map, you will get it once you find the conract again
rotund falcon
Ok ty
next epoch
A definitive answer on rogue level scaling: "Level 5 for their main skill and level 3 for other skills." https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ixv9ym/bug_with_leveling_rogues_next_level_0/g68zu0s/?context=3
And I believe there may be other restrictions on leveling rogue skills, e.g. having to level yourself up, or complete a quest for the rogue possibly
neon pollen
How tha hell does gianna work? im not getting blueprints from her
valid isle
huh, cool, good to know
wary smelt
she just gives + opportunities you can pay her to reveal
pseudo hull
excuse me GGG
please fix knockback
i want to use blast rain and king of the hill but i can't because it glitches out every single boss
fix your collision detection/resolution algorithm
wary smelt
wrong place
pseudo hull
where do i report
wary smelt
forums
wary smelt
pretty sure it's a known issue
shy lance
Doubt it. It's super inefficient
lucid monolith
how do you open this?
valid isle
run away and come back after a moment
lucid monolith
but it says it's locked, not bugged 😄
celest copper
try pressing V
lucid monolith
ok, thx, after few runs it's working
shy lance
I have noticed it's a range thing usually and related to NPC derping out on what they want to do.
valid isle
yeah, sometimes you just need to run away from the npc interactino point
past a doorway or two
then return and its fixed
tacit wren
any guide how i can unlock rest of my followers?
i've been stuck on this since day1
valid isle
thats just rng
you just keep running
it took me a good 40 or 50 heists to get all 9
tacit wren
residentsleeper
celest copper
sleep is not meta
silver kettle
it's not rng @tacit wren @valid isle . they're guaranteed unlocks from doing heists over a certain level with certain other rogues. in this case, do a heist over level 41 with Huck to get Niles, and then do a heist with Niles, etc
sonic summit
oh thank god, they got rid of the alert-raised-per-kill thing
valid isle
oh good to know, Viper
i just thought they would show up eventually after running enough... which technically is the case XD
just not accurate lol
static bridge
how do you find alternate quality skill gems on official trade ?
static bridge
that was the first thing i tried
valid isle
@silver kettle i did not see it in the what we are working on (unless im blind, then ignore) but is there any feedback/indication that they are working on the just massive amount of enemies/partical effects/etc causing mega slowdown in heists?
eventually the sheer number of mobs i am encountering causes major headaches lol
and thats even with a PC that runs most everything on maximum
static bridge
nvm found it, its under miscelanneous category
silver kettle
I'm just a game designer, I don't know everything about everything sorry. but see how it goes after the number of rares is reduced
valid isle
its all good
silver kettle
cause they're a major source of particles
valid isle
yeah, the auras especially lol
yesterday it was like 50+ mobs on screen with about 7 aura rares lol
game came to a halt for about 10s then i died lol
tepid olive
rigid stream
It feels Like they have a very strong haste Aura, stronger than regular Mob haste
wet scroll
haven't they said they already removed alarm level gain from mob kills?
mob kills still increase alarm level
rigid stream
Did you See a Patch?
safe hedge
Is there any news about the crash issues? I am getting tons of crashes and I'm not even doing heists.
rare girder
Did you See a Patch?
@rigid stream they said today tomorrow and restartless so it could have been up
seems like they are taking time to fix things but they shouldnt have communicate about it then imo
rigid stream
its still today for them. they are most likely in a different timezone from you
honest ivy
my biggest fear is how are they balancing chest alerts then
cause it sounds liek they're looking into everything about them not jsut alert level
valid isle
they said the overall alert level should be lower than what it was before
so that means more chests in the end
verbal crest
ug they are nerfing heist loot because people couldnt kite mobs.....well this sucks
devout osprey
i guess its either that or make contracts more rare, which makes us do less heist
violet nymph
I skimmed thru the game news, am at work, anything about grand heist final door bug being fixed?
verbal crest
You know I have never had that bug
violet nymph
Ive had it 4 times
verbal crest
I wonder what people are doing that I am not that is causing it
verbal crest
are you trying to open it after the countdown?
violet nymph
No
For grands im extra careful
So i get to the end with like a good amount of alert left
verbal crest
weird. I have crashed twice all league, but other than that I have been relatively bug free
violet nymph
Rundown of what happens
verbal crest
and I have done 5 grand heists and prob 30-40 contracts
violet nymph
I press v on the door to start it, my person disapears, i walk away, my person tps to me, i walk back and theres no option to open ot again
devout osprey
sometimes they get stuck a little behind so you have to "help" them
verbal crest
have you tried disabling you loot filter when it happens?
I know it sounds weird but I know that has fixed some heist bugs
verbal crest
like datmoz couldnt pick up any items or interact with anything but disabling the loot filter fixed it
queen blaze
How does max level work on the heist allies?
some of mine seem to be stuck at current level and dont get xp from missions anymore
verbal crest
they dont all go to lvl 5
some cap at 2, 3, 4
the top skill in the league menu where you look at their inventories are their skills that can go the highest
and it gets to a lower cap the further down their skills you go
queen blaze
Ahhh thank you
valid isle
what bothers me about the 2/3/4 people
is that one guy who has 3/3/3/3 lol
also there are 9 people, and 7? skills i think, each which cap at 5
which makes some of them just downright better than others
valid isle
oh, sorry, that reads poorly
rigid stream
they each have a passive skill that you may or may not want to use
valid isle
i mean, someone gets a 5 somewhere
for each skill
so some people just have better overall skill levels than others
verbal crest
I think you two are talking about different things
rigid stream
so you may want to take a sub 5 rogue
also you can give them +2 skill lvl through equipment
verbal crest
I think he meant you meant that a higher level in a skill somehow improves them making them more attractive to take on the run
valid isle
honestly, so long as i can use them, im always gonna take the person who has -alert %
verbal crest
whereas you meant there is no reason to not run the guy that caps at lvl 5 while leveling them because the others cant get to lvl 5
valid isle
that said, has anyone figured out the uh... i forget the exact wording on it
the lady who has something about finding secrets
rigid stream
nenet
valid isle
yeah, i think thats who it is
verbal crest
you mean the one who gives discounts on reveals or the rogue girl who maxes agility that has a chance to find extra rewards?
valid isle
im not at my PC so i cant look at the exact wording
but it was something about having a chance to find something or another in secret rooms?
valid isle
yes, that
verbal crest
I THINK it means that you can spawn extra chests in the league specific chest rooms, or possibly safes in the final room
but im not 100% sure
rigid stream
no
valid isle
oh, its just extra coins?
verbal crest
really?
valid isle
thats dumb lol
valid isle
then yeah, i guess the people id prefer are the -alert characters
or the one with +alert but chance for 2x chest items
(preferably together)
verbal crest
I must have run like 15 contracts with her, how have I missed a 22% chance that many times?
valid isle
i think its only the big chests
and, personally, i rarely open those
unless they are unique, map, or currency chests
that said, the two who have "can open a chest during alarm phase" are pretty cool
but if they are reducing how much alert big chests give
they suddenly become a lot less good
verbal crest
Vinderi gets buffed with this hotfix for sure
but pre-hotfix I prefered tibbs, niles, and karst
valid isle
his is the +alert, chance for double drop right?
verbal crest
yes
valid isle
yeah, i like him
verbal crest
Tibbs and Niles gave you a free chest after alarm
valid isle
and then the guy with -chest alert
verbal crest
thats useless now pretty much
valid isle
and then i like the scout individual with the lower -alert but also can detect enemy patrols and the like
paired together you basically gain no alert during a heist
you know, maybe im wrong but
it looks like only one person gets two level 5s
and only one person gets 0 level 5s
verbal crest
I think post patch, the best are Vinderi, Isla (+60% increased time before lockdown), and Gianna (-20% on blueprint reveals)
and huck is the worst
fuck huck
valid isle
depends on how often you hit the cap?
id prefer to be able to open all chests
so +time before lockdown is worthless if you never hit lockdown point, anyway
valid isle
right, but if you never would hit max in the first place, then it wont matter right?
and while there is the guy with -30% from chests
that doesnt include gear or map mods that you can really stat that -alert with
verbal crest
I mean, in some maps with multiple chest big rooms and such, even with reduction you might not be able to hit them all
valid isle
i assume its multiplicitive so you never hit -100% alert, but you can probably get around -70% lol
valid isle
and Huck is the guy with "grants powerful buffs" right?
valid isle
yeah, he is worthless lol
honestly, i think some of them need some skill improvements
to be more worthwhile to use
verbal crest
huck needs something like an increase % of drop rate of something off mobs or such if they want to make him the combat focused ally
valid isle
agreed
the people who can open one chest probably need a rework too
since they dont grant anything extra by leveling
and in a grand heist, one extra chest is pretty... underwhelming
verbal crest
open one chest and +mf quality on chests opened after the alarm maybe
valid isle
yeah
that said, the biggest change id make
is make it so grand heists are not a blueprint drop
but instead just require x number of normal heists
before the leader of them all plans a new "grand heist"
that way the big content of the league isnt rng based
verbal crest
I know they said they are thinking of solutions but the biggest change I would make is just put a freaking stash in the courtyard of grand hesits
easy and simple solution
valid isle
also would be rather nice lol
lost crypt
Can someone please explain to me why I should be revealing reward rooms in Grand Heists?
valid isle
id just like to be able to do grand heists whenever i have enough coins to pay for one
not have to wait around forever and a half to find a drop for one
you want wings to have the chance for alternate quality gems and replica uniques
you want reward rooms only if you want the type of loot it has
such as a currency reward room or what not
lost crypt
okay I always reveal the wing
verbal crest
I have 7.5k markers and 10 banked blueprints....you and I have very different problems lol
verbal crest
are you running maps?
lost crypt
i also hardly have blueprints
valid isle
yeah, but only up to yellow thus far
lost crypt
I'm on 90 map completion, level 88 and only dropped 5 blueprints
valid isle
most people seem to have my problem
and a few people have found buckets of blueprints
i did a new character yesterday, act 1-10 in a single 6 hour block
because i wanted to redesign my concept
and i found one blueprint levels 1-72
lean mulch
What do I do after confirming my blueprint plans?
devout osprey
talk to the girl that summons the portal and put blueprint in
verbal crest
lol I just dropped an EX out of the first chest in a contract. I just left lol
valid isle
yep
i mean, id check more chests, but not enough to hit alert...
then again, a crash would make you lose it so
good call lol
terse dagger
Like.. when i open these doors and im met with 20 monsters charging up a beam.. its instant death.. What am i doing wrong here? Lol..
honest ivy
not stand in fornt of the door?
terse dagger
I dont stand in front of it. I move away then try to get through. But they dont fire until they have a shot.
Even using dash they nail me
honest ivy
what build?
terse dagger
cyclone champion
honest ivy
dash cyclone should keep you alive it's built for sustain
terse dagger
The second i move through that doorway its death lol happened 3x now
honest ivy
that to me just sounds like low defenses in your gear or tree
terse dagger
Ok so its unavoidable damage then got it.
thats what i needed to know. I wasnt sure if there was a way to bait out their attack or not.
valid isle
its gonna be fixed though
they are making it so there are not 50+ guys waiting behind a door
who all use their skills instantly the second they can hit you
verbal crest
ug
it wasnt in the patch notes but I can tell they already nerfed small chests
very little currency now
valid isle
i havent had that issue lol
i feel like you and i are playing on different servers, Penguin
verbal crest
have you tried one in the last 10 min?
verbal crest
they just put the patch live 15 min ago
valid isle
ahh
junior belfry
Do you need to successfully complete the heist to keep the items or you just need to not die?
thorn fulcrum
Gianna "reveal blueprint details on contract completion" broke? doesn't seem to be working for me
@junior belfry just don't die, if you get something really good early might be worth it to just abandon the target and not risk the item
terse dagger
3x in a row im met with 30+ mobs with charged attacks one shotting me.. lookin like another league i sit out lmfao
junior belfry
@thorn fulcrum that’s exactly the info I was looking for thanks
still coral
you don't need to abandon the heist entirely. just leaving to the portal/entrance lobby will remove the Contraband tag, and you can go back in if the alarm wasn't raised
verbal crest
okay everything you learned before about heist, do the opposite now lol
small chests give nothing
just prioritize the big chests
still coral
now that killing guards doesn't raise alarm, it should be possible to get all chests in most normal heists though. not sure about grand heists
verbal crest
it doesnt seem to be anymore
they seemed to make the small chests add more alert than before
still coral
yeah, but they also made the big chests raise less alert than before
verbal crest
while removing their loot
not by much from my estimate
I have just run 3 contracts, didnt get close to all the chests
spiral cipher
can we remove this channel now <@&174997701513969665> Since there are none.
valid isle
LOL
eager charm
nah
fallen pewter
You're not leveraging your infraction very well, @spiral cipher. Do not do that.
untold dragon
True of False? Alch'ing contracts (higher quantity) gives more loot from chests??
spiral cipher
no clue
twilit mulch
what else raises alert level? i haven't touched a single chest and my alert level is 60%. i don't have the raises alert every 10 second affix. i'm literally watching it go up though from nothing
eager terrace
is it a robot level
still coral
quantity on maps affects chest drops in maps, so I would assume that the same holds true for heists. especially since the guards drop virtually nothing
spiral cipher
ok
so found a legitimate although wierd answer
map iiq
and party iiq
but not map iir
which weird but ok?
eager terrace
the question is how the chests are handled
like deterministic "chests" aren't affected even by area IIQ that I know of
legion chests, blight chests
so I don't know if the big heist chests that show their icon would either
maybe the regular ones do
spiral cipher
either way i like the change of reward structure from heist
and really hope poe 2 follows suit somehow
verbal crest
Okay, so after 6 contracts, small chests are worthless, the best you get out of them are synthesized items and fractured items. The door chokepoints are WAY worse now and WAY more frequent. I am not sure how they actually managed to fuck that up.
still coral
6 is a pretty small sample size tbh
verbal crest
its not really
spiral cipher
@verbal crest you're wrong but you're going to have to test this for yourself.
verbal crest
the small chest content was pretty evident in the 40+ I ran before this patch
spiral cipher
I won't explain why but you should figure it out soon enough
verbal crest
they are severely nerfed
verbal crest
yes they were
verbal crest
which is why I can very much tell after just 6 contracts
spiral cipher
blame reddit
verbal crest
its very noticable
still coral
before this patch I've run over a hundred normal heists, and there have been a significant portion of those (over 20%) where I didn't get anything better than an alchemy while opening literally every chest
6 is a small sample size and easily within statistical error
still coral
planning on it once I'm done with work for the day
lean mulch
I'm level 93 and I haven't gotten a single Mansion Contract. I have 200+ of every other contract. Is anyone else noticing this issue?
untold dragon
there is a 0.00% chance anyone has had enough time since the patch to conclude there was a stealth nerf to chest contents
correction: i'm sure lots of people can and have concluded that... it's just that conclusion has zero value or basis
still coral
variance and confirmation bias etc., etc. etc.
I do hope they've actually fixed the instagib squads on escape though
kind of tired of having a build that can facetank Shaper beams and Sirus and mobs of map rares all day but can't walk through a doorway
verbal crest
okay I will pull it back a bit. A portion of what I was seeing is apparently trap disarmament contracts specifically are very bad. I started running other contracts and small chests are still decent and give decent currency. I still feel like doorway chokes are worse though.
it seems like the loot pools of the chests vary widely between task types
still coral
big chest contents definitely depend on the task type; there's already an infographic detailing those. I wouldn't be surprised if it applied to small chests too
crisp tree
they fixed the league 
valid isle
hah
spiral cipher
its funny
thorn fulcrum
Any trick to getting mercs to Lvl4? Bunch of my guys are stuck on 3
spiral cipher
because if more people played melee
the instagib sqauds would be a joke
cause immortal call=100% damage reduction
verbal crest
@thorn fulcrum https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/552615024393322506/758094242391523348/Heist-Perk-NPCs.png?width=633&height=677
not all skills go higher
each skill has a specific person that goes to 5
junior belfry
What is that image showing us?
verbal crest
who goes to lvl 5 in that skill
junior belfry
Sorry I am noob to heist mechanics
spiral cipher
blegh
junior belfry
Oh so those are the level caps for those npcs?
spiral cipher
whole thing not worth 😦 big sad still salt
as a primarily ssf player i have a hard time justifying still playing the league.
junior belfry
And what about the items? Those are the drops from those kinds of contracts?
valid isle
@verbal crest is it me or does everyone but a single person get level 5 in a skill?
junior belfry
Ty
shadow thistle
There's also items that give your guys +1 to skills
spiral cipher
Does +1 to skill effect anything besides their ability to run things @shadow thistle
i never understood that one'
left raft
how can i get a deception rogue?
shadow thistle
Idk what skill level includes exactly but it means you can bring like tulljna to lvl 5 lockpick heists
old fox
aww, huck cant be level 5 in anything
shadow thistle
Huck suck
somber bison
How do you get the heist stash for your hideout?
verbal crest
its in the decorations
left raft
guys how do i find a deception rogue?
eager terrace
run regular contracts with rogues you have not run as much with
or run any solo contracts with
left raft
i see
eager terrace
they will introduce you to other rogues
junior tangle
eager terrace
temple's closed
sharp seal
anyone know how to fix this bug? clicked to open door but it doesnt open
near narwhal
Anyone not getting any Mansion Contract/Mansion Blueprints? I have like a bunch of the other ones but 0 mansions so far.
fading wyvern
LAST DOOR doesnt open just stop doing grand heist Mine got fucked over by this bug 4 times today
im over it
verbal crest
did you try disabling your loot filter?
near narwhal
Grand heist door bug is not fixed yet
verbal crest
not sure if it will work but it has fixed other bugs
near narwhal
Hmm let me try that
violet nymph
How good is replica headhunter?
near narwhal
Im using neversink
violet nymph
it's only like 7ex
thorn fulcrum
Merc Xp gain based on Skill Tier or Level of Contract or IIQ?
swift rain
Is there a lot of exp for character by doing Heist?
supple root
do heists feel way too easy to you guys now?
eager terrace
they're probably gonna feel that way until the client patch
like this whole bit has not happened yet really
We are planning to rebalance opening chests in Heists and how they affect alert level. Opening chests in reward rooms will raise the alert level by a lot less and the chests on the main path will raise it slightly more. This both normalises the results and achieves a lower average level of alert generated by chests. This is likely to happen alongside a more broad rebalance of these chests, the alert level and their rewards.
in the meantime they just turned off guard alert on kill entirely
near narwhal
So I a friend just confirmed that all his Mansion Contracts are less than 68 which means that there are none dropping in maps (unless those are bounded to T16 like someone mentioned)
iron violet
probably related to the bosses
eager terrace
jives with my stash
iron violet
keep doing missions
eager terrace
run contracts with existing rogues
iron violet
missing deception? run missions with huck
near narwhal
I see some that 70s on the market
swift rain
Ooo I just got Huck
near narwhal
How is that possible if its only bounded to T16s?
swift rain
So is it best to alternate companions?
distant osprey
is there a list of the heist gear possible mods somewhere?
swift rain
Whats the max skill level?
swift rain
Thanks @devout osprey
feral ether
Can we not leave heists/grand heists to stash loot anymore? I tried twice and lost the portal. Is that the fix they talked about in the notes?
devout osprey
they said its not yet in there in notes
i lost 3 wings to it because i didnt read that part either
round vigil
I haven't seen a single "Phantasmal Haste" on trade since league launch. Bugged or mirror tier?
It's listed in the Alternate Quality gems post, so it was intended to exist, but it seems like it doesn't.
neon solar
Any idea how i can avoid the "Observing Totems" ?
They have tons of HP
and rise alert lvl very fast
delicate plover
how do i find an instance I was in? a harbour i mean
ionic summit
How do you use the "unlocks a blueprint thing" mod from certain rogues?
tepid fossil
does the +1 level to skills not work atm? I have tibbs at level 4 demolition with a +1 demolition item equiped and he can't Run demo 5 heists.
devout osprey
i think it just makes them work faster demonyc_
tepid fossil
oof that would be lame
distant osprey
can someone erxplain how reveals work? if i do a contract with gianna i get a free reveal for my blueprint or something?
wary smelt
you just get +1 to the amount of reveals they can do
distant osprey
the barber does the reveals though i thought?
not gianna?
oh nm i see she can do them for free
why does gianna have 30% discount and niels is 10%
swift rain
Niles mindcontrol is buggy
verbal crest
thats just what he wants you to think
swift rain
Welp
violet nymph
niles is a weirdo
gusty cliff
Anyone know how to unlock more companions ?
Ive ran like 60 heists without unlocking any new one
valid isle
ah, a GGG employee informed us earlier about this
you need to do higher levels of heists with various companions
gusty cliff
Im running level 80 heists
valid isle
so you just need to make sure you use all the ones you do have
eventually you will get it
specific ones of them can only invite other specific ones of them
half ore
Its either you havent run some kind of contract map, or you have to run contract with recently unlocked member
thorny vine
what does this mods do
neon solar
you pay less to start the heist
thorny vine
ah ty
grave niche
sorry if this has been asked before but is there anywhere to see what type of damage each rogue does? like I am not sure which one to equip the spell damage items on, etc.
still coral
"rogues" "dealing damage" 
proven hamlet
did drops get nerfed?
stuck horizon
- Heist bug for totem user -
Dont stack totem at the door when NPC placing bomb (demolition)
npc will try to get away from the bomb but block by totem and glitch to the door
Good bye my Chaos orb
agile idol
how come in some heists killing npcs adds no alert, and other times (sometimes in same heist) killing 3 packs increases my alert by HALF THE ENTIRE BAR
nothing in the contract notes that say alert gain is higher either
opal pendant
Tempering orb any good?
abstract cave
does that many red bars look like reduce spawns at the heist doors to you? lol
agile idol
Ouch... sorry mate
violet nymph
im at the end of a grand heist and the open door button isnto appearing
any solutions???
swift rain
How do you guys get Grand Heists?
violet nymph
blueprints you find from killing enemies
but idk why im doing them still. its pretty busted
abstract cave
people be selling them to me for 1c lol
cobalt falcon
They drop so many
cobalt falcon
But need lot marker
celest hound
Did the bit about heist mobs generating alert get reverted? I just ran a contract and it most definitely was still giving alert on kills.
celest hound
I nearly failed a contract mission just now because running to the end was pumping the bar massively (summoner here, so they were killing things)
celest hound
trying another
abstract cave
i get it on one map, i didnt pay attention to which one though
its one with mostly knights
celest hound
yes, there were knights on mine too.
past obsidian
Can someone explain to me how I can get more reveal credits?
celest hound
no, I don't even have Vindieri. It was a quest contract with Tullina
past obsidian
I don't understand why some of my guys have 3, some have 0
violet nymph
second one this heist, seriously?
isnt it the SAME door as regular heists??? how come they cant get this one right
swift rain
wall collision
violet nymph
well yea i expect walls to have collision
unique orbit
So did they make the grand heist door bug worse? Both of mine bugged too on this one.
I made sure there was nothing alive nearby to distract my rogues too
They didnt even try to open the door
On other things it times out but the grand heist door it just.... doesn't
abstract cave
and now im doing a heist and 20 seconds in im already at half alert, so this shit is just bugged
violet nymph
its so irritating
literally just code it the same as contracts
they did it right with one
celest hound
Is there any consensus on whether alching contracts is worth it?
gloomy bay
Apparently if you run a normal heist with a party to farm coins, if every single person does not make it out with a curio, it counts as a failure for the purpose of rogue exp
abstract cave
and just crashed and lost my heist....again
celest hound
ok, I have no idea. I just ran one with 19% increased alert level from killing monsters... and nothing. no alert at all.
stuck horizon
happen to me too
celest hound
in theory 19% * 0 is still 0, but that doesn't explain the other contract where it was ramping up
unique orbit
OK heist alert bar is bugged. Went from 0% to 100%
celest hound
and there are still big packs of rippy death
something absolutely feels off.
One possibility is that you're just not meant to fight your way out slowly, in which case, I don't know how summoners/totems are viable
still coral
use your minions as decoys and meatshields and run
stuck horizon
Decoy totem did a fine job here
celest hound
good in theory, but the sheer number of mobs makes that unlikely
celest hound
phase run is a good idea. and yeah, I need to get Mistress of Sacrifice.
It's still workable, just getting bad, and I'm only doing high 60's contracts
stuck horizon
iv tried phase run flask insta death if ran into pile of lance guard waiting to stab u 😛
valid isle
I am still getting bad overheating/hard shut down issues when i run heist
i can run any other content and no issues
or other games on maximum with no issues
celest hound
Does anyone know if the entire heist keeps populating after you get the artifact and and running out? Maybe going slow is causing mob overload at later choke points.
still coral
there is supposedly a cap on total living reinforcements but they will keep respawning until that cap is reached
woven edge
where do i find nenet? all of my rogues are at least level 2 in every skill (meaning i have run contracts with all of them), yet I still dont have nenet
still coral
keep running contracts, she'll show up as a tag along character to one of them eventually
woven edge
i dnno ithink its bugged.. ive done like 50-60 contracts total
is it supposed to take that long?
before i didnt have many rogues since i wasnt using some of the newer ones, then i got all the new ones, only 1 contract at a time
but then i didntget the last new one, nenet
celest hound
I'm still missing two of them.
woven edge
have you used every single rogue with at least 1 contract?
celest hound
probably, they all have XP in something
My bigger issue is getting enough reveals to pimp up blueprints.
woven edge
i feel like theres some trick to unlocking them all though...
valid isle
i was told by a GGG employee that it depends on the levels you are running
woven edge
because if you only run karst, you will never unlock them all
valid isle
if you stopped getting npcs
cedar plover
jesus heists are profitable as now
valid isle
you need to run higher level heists
woven edge
oh
celest hound
any idea what level? My contracts have been high 60s
woven edge
i havent done any red maps yet, so mayb thats require for nenet
valid isle
oh, not that high lol
celest hound
Nope, I have Nenet.
valid isle
the highest is level 60~
but you need to run every npc at level 60+ heists
and one of them will bring her along
i forget who actually brings nenet along, but its one of them
celest hound
Gotcha. So just keep hammering away and hope I don't get instantly murdered in the heist 😄
woven edge
im pretty sure I have
valid isle
its always specific, and always happens the first time you bring the right npc to the right map type at the right level
or rather, of at least level X
woven edge
what do you mean by map type
manic bone
any tips to complete grand heist when the final door won't open?
valid isle
there are 9 types of heist locations
woven edge
oh i havent found a single mansion contract and im lvl 87
manic bone
3 times in a row for me i click and nothing happens, can't finish the heist 😭
valid isle
so yeah, it might be at mansion
all i know is i unlocked all 9 in the 60s range
by buying the level 67 maps from the vendor
and running them repeatedly
got a lot of good loot while doing it too lol
woven edge
i think the heists get bugged when you try and open the doors while the rogue are doin other things
and dont use 'V'
valid isle
you know, i realize heists are amazing for the chaos recipie
past monolith
celest hound
they are good for chaos recipe, they absolutely crap out rings belts and ammys
valid isle
yeah, just did one
peak terrace
how come
peak terrace
i c
celest hound
ugh, I got hit with the grand heist portal bug. What's the fix, just keep leaving and rejoining the rogue harbor and hope?
cedar plover
nenet i think is still better than karst
cobalt falcon
How to get 'eye' count in blueprint reveal?
valid isle
and man, heists just rain uniques on you too
celest hound
sigh, I guess my grand heist is just gone :/
valid isle
sorry D:
it will be fixed soon, they revealed the reason behind ti at least
at least*
its not that the heist itself is gone
its that when you return to town, you are returning to an instance of the town without your portal
which is super lame
celest hound
I know, I've been trying to go back and get the right one, 10 attempts and counting
yay, got it back
bitching++
I'm seriously considering just shelving Heist for a while, this is a mess still
stone oriole
All three final doors in the three wings in my grand heist are unaccessible.
cedar plover
i wouldnt do too many grand heists, still some kinks. contracts however are pretty damn juicy at the moment though
stone oriole
10k+ marks down the drain
celest hound
I was in wing 1 of that blueprint, and all of a sudden my alert bar start shooting up for no reason
cedar plover
theres a mod that increases level every 10 seconds
celest hound
I don't appear to have that.
Do the floating pod things with the red disc on the minmap have anything to do with that maybe?
still coral
there's also a mob in some maps that raises alert I think?
still mural
yes
swift rain
wtf
cedar plover
yup
still mural
yep
cedar plover
can easily spend 5-10k on a blueprint
im saving my markers for when i feel good enough to do 83~ blueprints
swift rain
Does it return a lot of markers as well?
cedar plover
nope
celest hound
I can't even fathom and 83 blueprint
swift rain
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat\
cedar plover
instead of getting a green item to sell for markers
you get the trinkets/alternate gems/replica items
whatever the blueprint says
cobalt falcon
Grand heist reward is not relic
cedar plover
its basically a second / third heist
still mural
that whole section on the left? that's a wing
cedar plover
a blueprint is potentially 4 heists in one
cobalt falcon
How you get this
still mural
a wing contains multiple rooms
cedar plover
to get the reveals
cobalt falcon
Different wing different alert level?
still mural
yep
cedar plover
you talk to whakano the barber
cedar plover
he basically sells reveals at full price
if you do gianna/niles, they can get you discounted reveals
cedar plover
for each contract you do
celest hound
Niles has never worked for me. I've had him in a couple, he always has 0 reveals.
celest hound
well I don't have Gianna, so 😄
cedar plover
gianna and niles require you to do normal contracts
with them as the rogue
so you gotta blast some contracts with them
cobalt falcon
Wakano?
cedar plover
Gianna
still mural
Wakano gets reveals just from running any contracts
cedar plover
celest hound
Niles is broken for me.
ancient oxide
Is there a way to level up your crew's abilities without having contracts of that type? I have a few contracts that I can't do because they require agility level 2 but have no contracts for agility level 1
still mural
no, you have to get some contracts of level 1 of that skill
wakano's inventory refreshes every time you level up, so you can check back with him periodically
ocean narwhal
I hope they add some way of raising the alert level or some other challenge in heists
cobalt falcon
Nah
ocean narwhal
I know killing guards wasn't great but right now it feels a bit easy
celest hound
I'm having plenty of challenge not getting absolutely annihilated trying to LEAVE a heist
cedar plover
protip, offscreen all content
celest hound
summoner, not really possible
ocean narwhal
My Karst is using substandard gear and I didn't set off the alarm even after taking all of the chests
cedar plover
i agree, with nenet right now i can open every single chest without popping alert
woven edge
so i figured out how to get nenet... you have to run an agility job with tullina
even though my tullina was lvl 3 in agility, it didnt matter
celest hound
Ok. I ran a contract with Niles. I finished it. I still have zero reveals for Niles. What am I missing?
north crow
for the thieves trinket are reward just the ones that alert on open?
still mural
chests, yes
north crow
okay thanks
celest hound
This makes zero sense.
celest hound
tier as in level of his skill? or contract level?
Whakano didn't get a reveal either.
i really hope it's not tied to my character level.
stable saffron
anyone know why i never got green contract drop on my second char? i havent unlock the last 3 member
do i have to play my 1st char? kinda scrapped the gear already
cedar plover
my experience with that is to just keep mapping
im still getting green contracts and ive been doing t16 maps for quite some time
stable saffron
i've never gotten a single drop. been doing t1-t10
can i unlock heist member just by doing normal heist?
valid isle
did the server just crash? <~<
woven edge
yes
cedar plover
not aus
woven edge
normal contracts can unlock all the member, pretty sure the green contracts arent all required
cedar plover
nah not really
woven edge
i think if you have the green item, but not the conttract (because you failed it), you should drop the green item though
i was caryrin the quest item without the contract and i didnt find the contract again until i dropped the quest item
woven edge
just run more maps, probably one green contract every 10-20 maps
stable saffron
oh well it did but i transfer it to my 2nd char and do them. succeed but havent gotten any green contract ever since
alright
still mural
you get green contracts exclusively from smuggler's caches
woven edge
yea i thought they were related
stable saffron
ah ok, maybe i was just not lucky with the drop
celest hound
Does anyone remember which mission/area type brings in Gianna?
stable saffron
i've been doing 50ish maps so im pretty sure i got some caches
oh yeah do you guys just transmute or alc your normal heist?
still mural
they're a 1/10 spawn
cedar plover
ive been alching my normal contracts
still mural
depends on its level; if I'm a fair bit above it, i'll alch; otherwise I just transmute/augment
stable saffron
alright cool
woven edge
if you are intent on findin which rogues unlock who rather than trying to do it randomly and naturally, you can go through a twitch streamer vod, like cutedog, who unlocked most of them all on the first day... and see what skill and rogue triggered the next rogue, thats what I did, was lvl 87 with all rogues having XP, but didnt have nenet
woven edge
that idndt work for me
cedar plover
maybe just lucky me than 😄
woven edge
my tullina was already lvl 3, but I had to run a lvl 1 agility contract with her again, to get nenet
woven edge
well somehow i got her to lvl 3, so I assumed that i unlocked who she could unlock already
woven edge
i dunno if the level requirement is true
but I did have to run tullina + agility to get nenet
celest hound
I'll give that a go and spam level 1s for a while
I want to get them all unlocked so I can get all the quest contracts
woven edge
like i said, go through twitch vod, cutedog has 15 hour stream where he unlocked most of the rogues. its dumb, but only takes like 10 minutes to see who you need
i just looked at the instances where he was in rogue harbor and if the rogue i wanted was there or missing
then advance or rewind time..
cedar plover
that sounds quite painful ahahha
woven edge
less painful than runnin random contracts
and keepin track of which one youve done already
there are 22 rogue + skill combinations, so you either have to run all of them in the worst case
or spend 10 minutes and see which one you need
I guess if you don't care about wasting the contract, you can just run the first 10-20 seconds of a contract and see if anyone joins then exit
thats the only way it would be faster though, and you still have to go through all 22 combinations
in the worst case
weary crater
grand heist doors still bugged
still mural
yep
for the record, I just got Tullina by bringing Tibbs to a Smuggler's Den Brute Force 1 contract
lean mulch
What is "The Ring Takes No Cut" Mod on Heist contracts?
cedar plover
it reduces the marker cost
lean mulch
Ah! Thank you
jaunty shale
how do i unlock the last 3 characters? ive been spamming heists but im not getting anyone
cedar plover
read some of the history above
violet nymph
I think ive noticed something about the gramd heist final door bug
It seems to only happen with one of the engineers
I forgot her name tho qwq
Starts with an i i think?
I tried a different person for my engineer and they opened the door just fine, could just be a coincidence tho
cedar plover
yep
woven edge
i think the door bugs depend on what your rogue is doing when you tell them to open the door
if there are enemies nearby/ they arent close enough, they can get stuck
violet nymph
Naw whenever i do the grand heist i clear the room with the door just incase
woven edge
could be that some heists are just bricked though
violet nymph
I think its just that one engineer didnt actually get a degree and doesnt know what shes doing
still mural
I think others have identified it as being related to engineering, yeah
though in some cases it's the door requiring engineering without having required an engineer in the party
woven edge
can yu actually tell? does it show the engineerin icon
violet nymph
Thats why i say its one engineer
woven edge
but you dont hae an engineer rogue
violet nymph
The girl, idk her name im drawing a blank
still mural
that's what some folks reported, yeah
Isla is who you're talking about @violet nymph
silver kettle
though in some cases it's the door requiring engineering without having required an engineer in the party
It's almost always this
woven edge
so then you click the icon, and it just disappears
violet nymph
Regardless just dont use isla for grand heists
silver kettle
will be fixed soon
woven edge
and none of the rogues can do anything
violet nymph
Hopefully
cedar plover
just blast contracts until they fix grand heists
still mural
^
cedar plover
ive been getting tonnes of reduced mana reserved jewels from heisting
woven edge
corrupted mod?
cedar plover
yep
lavish bane
i see they hot fixed some heist stuff
i still feel the one shot of enemies clumped behind doors is unbearable
how is everyone else making out with heist?
im honestly not having any fun doing them in 90s, I'm pretty much not doing them again even after hotfix
still mural
I'm enjoying them, though I was mostly able to work around the oneshots pre-patch anyway (phase or blink arrow past the mobs, or stand out of sight and hit them with caustic arrow to kill a bunch before going in)
still coral
I've run into way fewer oneshots myself since the hotfix, but there's still a few happening
still mural
should also mention I'm still in late acts
lavish bane
right, so I'm still either focus on leveling and getting loot, or forgo leveling and focus on heist if I can escape
still coral
I've been doing level 80+ heists and so far out of the last 15 or so I've only gotten oneshot once
cedar plover
I'm level 92, doing ilvl80+ heists, been enjoying them quite a bit truth be told
lavish bane
I'm 90, EHP at 6.1k, capped resist, glancing blows, and as a caster I have to cast around door. I show my chin and they take my head off.
Also the speed at which I get drops is better than maps, but the xp is pretty much null vs maps
cedar plover
well im 4.7k hp, just basically using dash to get through everything
lavish bane
well im not a dex build so for me to use dex isn't viable
if I rolled a dex character and used dash it would be really easy, but that's not what I did
phase / dash would be great for heist imho
cedar plover
yeah im just running around at like 200% ms with mirage archer killing most things
i kill very little besides what is at the door when i am escaping the heist.
The xp has been pretty atrocious as of late though
lavish bane
I feel like they didn't test this patch or something at higher levels
you pretty much have to give up on leveling to do heist
I also feel like the answer to the door issue is they don't want for you to exit to laser beam you as a pack, they need to unclump and charge you so you can fend them
cedar plover
i dont think anyone is tanky enough to eat the door
lavish bane
they in sync charge me as a caster and its pretty brutal
cedar plover
besides like an aura stacker
lavish bane
ok, but how are you engaging them? for me I'm tossing some spells out there and triyng to kill them
but i still get one shotted from what appears to be off screen pretty often by what is clearing a pack of angry bastards
its night and day after the hotfix, so its better, but for my build I'd rather farm sirius
still coral
ugh just lost about 20c worth of stuff due to the instance crashing, RIP
I've got a really tanky build and evenI can't eat the door raw. 6.5k ES, overcapped resists, maxblock/maxspellblock and even with basalt+arctic armor + stage 4 frost shield a full on door blast will kill me about 30% of the time
lavish bane
fine, don't eat the door, but how are you dealing with them then?
you have get close enough to engage them
still coral
I usually just frostblink on them and freeze the entire pack
cedar bison
So once you loot you can town portal and be able to come back into a heist?
still coral
then phase run out
lavish bane
so tarlom, im tried using flame dash out and just keep going, results in death pretty reguarly
still coral
with flamedash, do it at an angle and use all 3 charges in a row I'd say
lavish bane
i've tried peeking around corner and sniping them, and even if I get them it seems there's a chance i get shot from off screen
problem with the flame dash is i eventually get to a door where i have to open it to escape, and then all the npcs are following me and im cornered
still coral
don't fight them. if you're not confident just dashing through, drop a decoy totem from out of their LOS to bait the initial blast
usually most of the pack will leash by the time you hit the next door, but if there's too many to kite then just spray and pray? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lavish bane
decoy might not be a bad idea, but it feels weird using decoy, don't know why that has necessary for this content. i keep thinking they didn't have anyone really test this
its fair advice
cedar plover
i am playing toxic rain pf, stand at an angle behind the door and just offscreen the shit out of everything
peak terrace
and what mot
lavish bane
its not you if I seem miffed, its the bs heist and needing a build specially for heist
still coral
aye, and it makes sense having to use stuff like decoy, phase run, blind, etc.
cedar plover
theres a maximum limit of reinforcements, if u skip a lot of the reinforcements at the start, theres not a lot behind each door
lavish bane
last question if you can
is there a way to use rogue markers for purchasing contracts instead of using currency?
ie orbs of # for buying contracts isn't something I want to do, I was actually surprised when I could use rogue markers to buy contracts. Is that really the case or am I just not seeing the vendor?
still coral
sell your rogue markers for currency to other players, use said currency to buy contracts 
lavish bane
i posted them, they are not really selling
I posted them for 0.5 alts per and even 0.4 alts, what are people selling them for? per price check 0.5 alt per is the price but no one bites
cedar plover
shouldnt you be making absolute bank just doing heists?
cedar plover
i thought it was more like 300 markers/c or something crappy like that
peak terrace
arent ppl really running out of markers if they fail more than 50% of their heists?
cedar plover
depends if you mapped beforehand
peak terrace
is there a chance to sell the item for less than what u paid as fee
no right?
u sell for much more?
cedar wigeon
Is it better to progress to red maps first before farming heist?
cedar plover
you need quite a few contracts to setup your rogues
im pretty happy that i got to a8 before doing contracts
somber bison
Question - can you leave a heist if you got like an exalt or something and come back in?
still coral
you can't go back to the rogue's hideout or it'll close the heist, but if you go out to the portal/heist entrance lobby it removes the contraband tag
somber bison
And I can come back in and finish the heist?
cedar wigeon
@cedar plover it really does, but is it actually better?
how much coins do you drop in red maps?
still coral
as long as you only go out to the first 'room' of the heist that you start in and not all the way back to the harbor, yes
somber bison
Yeah, good thing I did that because I died after getting the item due to door bullshit lol
cedar plover
i think its like mid 40s-high 40s each rogue marker drop in t16s
its not like a huge upgrade
its more about making sure you get a shitload of contracts to run so you ahve enough to level up your dudes. everyone is just buying contracts left right and centre at the moment it seems
pseudo hull
Wait
did they nerf drops in heists
this is actual trash now
and no alert from mobs makes no sense
silver kettle
there were no changes to drops in heists today other than the rogue gear thing
cedar plover
i feel like there was a stealth nerf to it tbh
still coral
I've run about 20 heists since the patch, and I haven't noticed any significant difference. if anything, I've gotten more... though that's probably a result of finally getting some rogue gear and chest drop doubling mods on them
pseudo hull
all of the currency chests have like 2 less drops on average, especially good drops
cedar plover
Yesterday i was getting a couple exalt shards every other currency chest. Ive only gotten 1 shard since the patch hit from those chests
but now you just end up opening every chest instead, so it probably works out similar
copper kernel
pseudo hull
they should have not made this change
100%
monsters SHOULD give alert
u SHOULD have to amke a decsion
killing everything spending 10 minutes in 1 heists to get all the chests
doesn't feel like a heist
it just feels tedious and stupiid
copper kernel
Do you unironically waste time actually killing everything in a heist?
pseudo hull
i mean u dont have to but like
there should be urgency
and some kind of consequence
worldly ember
Anyone else experiencing having alert rise when killing mobs still happening roughly once every 5ish or so heists?
still coral
there is[urgency and consequence, on the escape
pseudo hull
i legit don't think the loot in these
is anywhere near maps level now
for the time spent
but it was before that stealth nerf
still coral
and if you try to get all the big chests, you miss out on more than half the small chests on the higher level heists
copper kernel
What stealth nerf
still coral
there was no stealth nerf
still coral
you're just experiencing variance and confirmation bias
pseudo hull
all of the currency small bronze chests
worldly ember
The one that always comes when ever they make a new mechanic easier
copper kernel
worldly ember
yet people deny