I have no idea, I found like 3 total in contracts
#1┃mirage-league
gleaming bolt
2 in the same mission so it's ancedotal that there are specific maps where they drop
distant osprey
did you get them out of chests or?
valid isle
finished my first two-wing grand heist lol
that said, no stash access between wings makes me sad
jovial sail
yeah that is unfortunate
gleaming bolt
Just drops from trash mobs
valid isle
the armor is pretty decent though that i got
not amazing, but for early on, it has +139 hp and 1k evasion
and is a 5l
gleaming bolt
They'll fix being able to go outside this week etern
valid isle
now i just need them to fix splitting steel so it can use projectile mods
since i now have a 5l, id like to add in vicious projectiles lol
i can make use of its bug though to use GMP with no damage reduction atm
so woo
warm grotto
Okay, I've seen the question asked like ten times in this chat and never answered: How the hell do you get extra reveal points?
barren ingot
you need to complete heiests with the mercs who give reveal points.
"grants reveal" or whatever, it'll give you +1 reveal point (you still need to pay for the reveal lol)
warm grotto
I just finished two with each of them and go no additional reveals
and the barber dude has none left either
and did proper finish, grabbed the relic and whatnot, not grabbed some chests and left.
sterile timber
Anyone elses rogue assistants suddenly go super aggro? Went in, did what i normally did, but they keep going ultra aggro for some reason.
regal kernel
has anyone figured out the best way to get the quest heists?
quarry doesn't seem to proc them in the normal spots for league mechanics
barren ingot
i think you need to actually have the grand blueprint shoved into the prepare box
because reveals are BP specific, not a universal pool
warm grotto
What do you mean into the prepare box ?
I just ran two more with each while it was handed to them, and did nothing
valid isle
oh, i didnt think about that
fathom shard
hi whats the max level for a rogue ?
devout osprey
5
fathom shard
ah ty
ornate flower
valid isle
"Heist Improvements
Players no longer block other players in The Rogue Harbour.
Reward Chests in Unique Contracts no longer become locked when Lockdown occurs.
Reduced the damage that Clockwork Sentries deal with their on-death explosions.
Reduced the damage of Automaton Lightning Beam's impact area of effect hit.
Increased the damage of Automaton Lightning Beam's beam as well as its on-death explosion.
Escape Route minimap icons are now always visible to players in the same Wing.
Fixed a bug where Replica Quill Rain's "Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 1 Arrow Nova" did not work.
Fixed a bug where an Agility Laser hazard could generate with the disabling mechanism in an unreachable location.
Fixed a bug in Grand Heists where multiple Rogues with the same Job could attempt to do a single job, resulting in multiple job progress bars being visible.
Fixed a bug where various Heist Unique Items did not have a slot in the Unique Collection Tab."
THANK GOD
most of the rip has been the clockwork sentries and automatons lol
zinc perch
stark willow
so if you get lasers where the thing is on the other side on the way out are you just screwed?
violet nymph
tencent
barren ingot
poor huck is so bad
stark willow
Like I can't interact with the league at even the lowest level because I constantly get screwed by broken mechanics
waxen valley
is there a way to see how much intel you have?
waxen valley
whatever this little eye icon is for revealing blueprint wings
toxic pine
the league mechanic is walking from 5 second animation to 5 second animation while avoiding killing anything, and it's still somehow more interesting than anything in harvest lol
pearl fossil
Can I have as many map drops as contract drops?
valid isle
woah
some reason my maps are all reflecting physical damage
or well, my heists
even though they dont have that mod
fallen musk
So I was skipping this league. Haven't played any yet. Sounds like it's buggy and more annoying than fun. Accurate or are you guys still liking it?
devout osprey
i still like it.
violet nymph
the usual bugs on launch, nothing too new
valid isle
some of the bugs are pretty bad though, or well, "we didnt check this at all in the slightest" bugs
violet nymph
The Harbour area is pretty buggy/laggy still, hopefully patch in a few hours changes most of that.
valid isle
like the ones with splitting
violet nymph
They don't have a test client to my knowledge, at least from what I've been told by support.
Just the internal team creating and testing vOv Maybe one day
valid isle
ouch
no test client? thats a horrible idea
oh and one of the heist npcs is worthless
because even though his perk is cool, his downside is so horrible you never want him
you actually come out ahead not using him
barren ingot
downside?
barren ingot
the only bad one i'm aware of is huck since he gives you virtually no benefit
valid isle
which makes him a net negative
barren ingot
oh yeah that's kinda tossy until you get -alert gear
fallen musk
So say I cave and play this league, what's a good build for the heist mechanic
gilded scarab
Jesus christ, i just went through a contract where I opened two small chests and made my way to a rewards room near the objective, killed the monsters in the reward room and was somehow at 90% alert
barren ingot
something tanky and ra-you already know it's essence drain.
fallen musk
It did seem like everyone was playing ED
gilded scarab
how is the league mechanic always fucked
violet nymph
ED's quickest league start
fallen musk
not enough testing
valid isle
Yeah, even with -alert gear i think he is still a net negative unless you have a ton of it lol
since the +% alert goes up as he levels
started at 4% chest x2 and 10% alert+
gilded scarab
Why in the fuck does this company never learn from their fucking mistakes?
violet nymph
👀
fallen musk
Is there a better ED start than this one : https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2785198
barren ingot
imo spellsling contagion drain is the best start you can possibly get, then after that self cast contagion drain in yellows. otherwise pretty much every contagion drain build looks the same.
the big question mostly is do you go for ci/low life, or do you go for glancing blows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDI-LTpb-V4 ziz has a good example of the later, the one you have is the former
(his also has a CI + glancing blows variant but that's super reliant on cluster jewels)
modest yoke
Great, client crashing still there, its just so iconic to have this kinda trouble with league mechanic to loose loot when it happen lol
barren ingot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2gFaSsQXkM i personally prefer a spellslinger start though, w/ acrobatics instead of glancing blows
violet nymph
league start low life 🤔
barren ingot
idk why he tagged it with low life, since it only goes low life in the final stage
clickbait probably.
valid isle
oh, interesting
you know the skill of "you can open one chest during alarm phase"?
those work on the large chests too
not just the small generic ones
valid isle
that said, yikesssss
the level 75+ heists are scary af
those trash mobs hit like trucks lol
south plover
Do the heists get harder the longer it takes to escape?
barren ingot
i think mobs spawn fsater and faster?
devout osprey
i got a staff...
keen nymph
oof
lament sinew
How do you raise your rogue level above 3?
lunar nexus
is there a way to fix the bug where Karst runs between two agility doors?
rigid stream
Rogues can only level their primary skill to 5
all others are stuck at a lower level
lament sinew
I see thanks 🙂
rigid stream
i think its 5 3 2 1
lunar nexus
trying to get him to open another door didnt help
verbal crest
anyone know what Karst's lvl 5 perk is?
lunar nexus
in one of his contracts, not just a random one
verbal crest
they can only get to level 5 via the green contracts?
sinful oxide
Anyone know how to get reveals?
devout osprey
did you translate that wrong or? whats a reveal
rigid stream
just do heists
sinful oxide
when you need to undercover areas in a blueprint it costs tokens and a eye/reveal
rigid stream
you get the from completing regular heists automatically
violet nymph
tf am i meant to do here
rigid stream
i think 1:1
devout osprey
click it
rigid stream
press it
rigid stream
did you drop the vial of poison?
sinful oxide
must be rare then, i only had one for my blueprint
rigid stream
to free up an inventory slot
rigid stream
you had to get it from kaast before you start the mission
violet nymph
fml
rigid stream
i think the contract even forces you to do so
eager terrace
inner umbra
I'm finding that my rogues won't level their jobs past level 2. Any idea what might be going wrong?
rigid stream
Only the primary Skill can Go to 5, secondary skills are locked to a lower maximum
lofty spear
So if smugglers caches are bugged do we just make a new char?
mighty nest
I have a green contract that requires lvl 2 perception but i don't have anyone with lvl 2 perception and no contracts to lvl perception. is there a way to get it out of my inventory?
distant condor
Is anyone else getting destroyed In heists literally keep dying feels like mining isn’t the best option for it or maybe km trash
idle crypt
Start understanding.... zoom zoom boom boom will not win in there
distant condor
Yea literally failed my last 4 heists cause I just get overwhelmed
valid isle
the drops today are crazy
too bad they are not worth mcuh xD
also, im psyched about this, especially since im doing an impale build
torpid quail
Is there a list of heist map markers anywhere?
barren ingot
ok so i putzed around with the anomoulous item rarity
found out two things
- the "coin shower" are rogue's markers.
- for a contagion drain setup, essence drain is considered as getting the kills, not contagion.
valid isle
man... way waaaaaay too few contracts drop in maps
barren ingot
you can buy them too from barber man
keen nymph
Its not meant to drop super often, its meant to drop occasionally so you can do the mechanic every now and then @valid isle
valid isle
oh i know, i buy them out from the barber
but the ones that are above ilvl 67 drop like 1 every 10 maps or so?
they are real infrequent. Blueprints are worse though, id say 1 every 50+ maps
still mural
@mighty nest you can drop it on the floor in a map/act and just leave it there; you'll get it again later from a cache in the normal way
valid isle
i basically dont see blueprints at all
still mural
you may need to walk away and walk back up to it for the thingy to show
or it may be irreversibly bugged
keen nymph
@marsh oracle try slowly stepping away from it, operators get glitch occasionally
Erm it might just be the game breaking one I experienced earlier today lol
hazy pumice
I can't find any Perception contracts apparently >.>
small wigeon
how do u get blueprints and do grand heists?
im lvl 83 and hasvent done a single one yet
somber bison
What exactly is lockdown?
chrome sigil
lockdown is when the alert level reaches max
and the timer is done
the end reward gets closed
and the chests are closed aswell
but depending on the heist char you may be able to open them after lockdown
such as tibbs
one per wing
somber bison
Normal heists are only 1 wing, right?
chrome sigil
i'm not sure
young knoll
What if the follows had a stealth cloak AOE and we stand inside it to be hidden? wouldn't that work Kind of like how rogues have group stealth skill in WoW
Then you can actually try to be stealthy. You guys remember doing that starter quest for BFA? escaping stormwind, like that
warped jasper
What is the difference between the normal contracts for the green contracts ?
still mural
normal heists are just one "wing", yeah
green contracts are quest ones; they don't reward markers, but they give more xp to the rogue and progress their story; also may be needed to level up their skills past a certain point? unsure on that
warped jasper
OOhg, so its about exp and lore. Thanks!
lunar nexus
haha gotta love karst being so bugged that you can't do a heist 3 times
wary smelt
i'm about to reroll and make a SSSVD char
lunar nexus
haha gotta love karst being so bugged that you can't do a heist 3 times
@lunar nexus one of his green heists
grim bison
i'm about to reroll game...not fine to release everytime a league with that much bugs...they earn so much money with mtx and dont test this shit before release
still mural
alternatively, they test it extensively, but shit's complicated (even AAA studios release games with horrific bugs) and they can't catch everything. if you want a less buggy experience, come back in a week 🤷
maiden coral
I found it in a smuggler's cache, act 6
So I guess it really comes down to getting it in smuggler cache's? Haven't heard of other ways of getting them
languid lake
:^)
valid isle
@still mural some bugs id agree with you, others like Splitting Steel... not so much lol
north crow
I'm in yellow maps 80 lvl and I haven't found a blueprint yet anyone else experience this?
maiden coral
Are all of them from smuggler caches @valid isle ? For some reason the heist reveal season made me think they occur every 12ish heists or something
maiden coral
Ohh I see so not just caches at least
valid isle
hard to do this league when it doesnt drop though
willow moss
if you fail the green contracts, do you get the opportunity to run them again at some point?
still mural
I'm sure they can just drop again
north crow
They drop again
I failed the lock guys one and it gave it to me again
Ive gotten a ton of story missions so far just no blueprints
valid isle
they go in order, so if you fail, you get a duplicate of it im pretty sure
since i got one 3x in a row since i kept failing
but yeah, drops are terrible
iron kiln
I swear every time I try to interact with this fucking league mechanic I end up regretting it
still mural
you might want to save your heists for the next patch, then?
supposed to fix a fair few things
iron kiln
eh probably not enough things to make it fun
like I just had one where the alert bar went up to like 70% without me killing that many mobs and only opening one chest
its so fucking dumb
and I can do high tier red maps fine but mid tier heists consistently one shot me through 4k hp/5,6k mana with mom/ arcane cloak
still mural
well, the idea is to not kill mobs even during the escape portion if you can help it; there's a fixed number of mobs alive at one time, so if you kill one early in the escape, another will spawn behind a later door, contributing to the oneshots when you open it
some way to phase or teleport, or a decoy totem or void sphere, helps bypass or draw out the mobs behind doors
iron kiln
That might actually be the dumbest shit I've ever read
so basically this whole league is
dont kill anything
still mural
and you can roll for mods to help with the alert level, on the contracts or on rogue equipment
iron kiln
that sure does sound fun
candid cedar
So what do i do when the game decides to cockblock the lever guy? guess thats one way of making sure no one breaks into your stuff
valid isle
@iron kiln
there are traps, they look like pillars
that are searcher things that quickly raise the alert meter if you stand near them
it took me like 20 runs before i noticed them =.=;
cedar plover
last room on grand heist buggedddddd ?? ):
maiden coral
how so
humble lintel
my first grand heist, double bricked, and both treasure rooms perma-locked 
cedar plover
yeah treasure rooms keep being locked on my grand heists
humble lintel
push V to tell the thief mans to open the door, they just, despawn
like nah
who needs loot during a grand heist?
cedar plover
repository seems to be causing me issues i think - there goes 6 alternate qual gems
valid isle
i think its super worth farming at the end of every heist right near the exit
best chance to get blueprints and items for the rogues
fervent plover
Vinderi is my bae
cobalt falcon
The map not always have smuggler cache?
And one more question, how i supposed deal with laser corridor? Walk thru it? No agility icon..
valid isle
they are fixing that right now actually
the patch in like 3 minutes is supposed to take care of it
still mural
^
but you can just walk through it if you're tanky enough, especially if you use movement skills
valid isle
yeah, it deals like 1k damage per second
so you just dash through and take about 2k~3k
teal axle
I havent started the league yet. Anyone playing summoners/necromancers, do you feel like the minions make the league mechanic harder to do?
cobalt falcon
I just want to reroll to necro since i feel it will be easier to get out with minion
terse sinew
@valid isle blueprints can drop in heist?
Yeah but you would hate your life trying to loot anything as a minion build
valid isle
seen 1 so far
wide igloo
i think the alarm is always triggered when you pick up the objective item
neat rover
kk
median tendon
Summoner / necro i switch my minion gems from feeding to meat shield helps a lot , may setup to have a quick switch on weapon swap late game. But you would have to do this for golems/specters as well or turn them off till lockdown
still mural
well, you can leave without the target item; sometimes that's worth doing
but then you fail the heist
cobalt falcon
Not get exp also?
violet nymph
When do you start getting blueprints
strange minnow
guys, what is the general choices, do we try to skip killing guards at all to speed up the heists?
do we push contracts same as we pushing maps - alchemy orb it and keep doing the highest level you can?
Im overwhelmed with so many contracts in inventory, lol
still mural
try to avoid killing stuff in heists, yeah, cause that raises the alarm bar
up to you how much to mod em
strange minnow
How do I pick one contract base or another, can I discover what are rewards inside before starting it?
still mural
different contract types (like, the skill needed for them, engineering vs lockpicking, etc.) have different big chest types inside; off the top of my head, brute force is rare weapons, lockpicking is currency, engineering is uniques or maps...
strange minnow
is this your conclusion, or there is a confimed list somewhere, possible to rely on?
still mural
my conclusion from personal experience & what others have said in chat
still mural
if you are significantly higher level than the contract, you'll have one or no big chests, mind
haven't done a grand heist yet so idk about that
strange minnow
this is from lvl 55, much lower than my lvl, but I wanted to check the water first 😄
cobalt falcon
Grand heist?
still mural
that is, yeah
strange minnow
ya... you can pick only one chest
I've picked this one. For its level it is godly, I guess.
On a side note, this shows, they are, ofcourse, are able to program drops in such a way, that only usable affixes roll on it. THe thing we all want - less drop with higher quality.
rigid stream
I mean, did you watch the Interview with Chris before the League?
strange minnow
nopes :>
rigid stream
You should
rigid stream
Thats most likely whats gonna happen with iiq. Instead of increasing the amount of items you get, it improves the drops
strange minnow
where is IIQ going to be used outside of heists? 🙂
strange minnow
sounds like a 30 years old awaited direction change
in any case, this is great
so with rewards quality like this, picking "proper" blueprint base type is very important
valid isle
its still not worth doing level 70+ heists lol
i feel like they are harder after the fix
rigid stream
Hm?
round grove
doing a grand heist and couldn't open the final vault door. anyone else have this?
valid isle
then when i was at 4k yesterday
dawn spade
Dude, im playing minions, my minions are slapping all monsters in heist
the alarm trigger everytime
🤔
sad
valid isle
but yeah, level 70+ heists are so freaking hard its dumb lol
strange minnow
@valid isle how is it not worth with rewards quality like that lol?
valid isle
oh, i can spam the level 67 ones all day and get good rewards
the level 70+ though i can get insta shot all the time
strange minnow
I am doing normal heists lvl 70-80 normally, failing like 1-2 out of 10
valid isle
how tanky are you running? lol
strange minnow
most of the time I am not fighting at all
strange minnow
leap slam all over the map
valid isle
i just get killed when trying to dash
strange minnow
75 ele res, 10 chaos ><
valid isle
using a phasing flask, second wind dash, and a basalt flask
3 end charges and then around 500/second life regen
strange minnow
that sounds a lot tankier than me
valid isle
yeah lol
and i just go pop about 30% of the runs
the others are just so many close calls
strange minnow
what is your lvl, I'm at 88 atm
strange minnow
not with the current game design... same lvl mobs can wreck chaos to a player IF they land their hits
abstract pulsar
so what lvl is the despair from this item?
lost kite
Is it only me, or someone else also have the bug where masters do not progress above level 3?
strange minnow
Feels same for me, didnt think of it as a bug, thought that is just too many different toons with too many different professions...
cedar plover
anyone try the unique heists?
valid isle
i have one thats level 4
but everything else is stuck at 3
i think it has to do with the unique (green) heists
rigid stream
Thats Not a Bug
gray ravine
So can i confirm
I can go in, loot everything but not exceed alert meter, come out, go harbour, stash loot and still enter to try for the final loot?
rigid stream
Some are different
valid isle
so something is giving it a lower cap
rigid stream
Cause they arent as specialised
cedar plover
yeah if they have few skills they have higher caps
valid isle
ahh
rigid stream
They have a total Skill Maximum distributed to all skills
lost kite
Well i have a lot of dudes that level 3 with the bar to the max, and they just dont level up anymore.
rigid stream
So the less Specialized a rogue is, the less His Maximum Cap is
weary crater
man I don't think any league mechanic has clashed so badly with the identity of the game as Heist
wintry lynx
What does "Reward Chests in Unique Contracts no longer become locked when Lockdown occurs." mean? Can I do green contracts while opening all chests and still get to the end?
valid isle
they might have a bunch of random caps perhaps?
rigid stream
As in, orange
valid isle
like Gianna has a cap of 2 and 3 for sub skills
rigid stream
No, stuff Like that is never random
wintry lynx
I didn't know there were unique contracts, ok. I thought green ones were maybe unique
rigid stream
Yea they are all different
wintry lynx
Also is it possible to buy follower items?
valid isle
but yeah, i think if only some of them can get to 5
rigid stream
In Game from an NPC? No. From Other Players yes
valid isle
then only some of them are worth using lol
rigid stream
They all have different passive effects
valid isle
while true
rigid stream
That get better the better the rogues get
valid isle
the level 5 accessories for them are powerful as hell
i rared one with -10% alert and some + drop rate stuff
valid isle
can the low level still roll the high mods?
i have only seen the -10% and stuff on the level 5s
rigid stream
Dunno the Table yet
rigid stream
But Most Likely Just a Tier lower
void wing
You can definitely roll +1 lvl on a lvl 3 item.
valid isle
cloaks are best though
void wing
I imagine to the pool is identical for a given slot.
valid isle
they are any job level 5
rigid stream
Like you get alert T1 only on lvl 5 acess and get alert t2 on Level 4. So thats a difference of 2% or so
void wing
Or base type*
valid isle
and give -5% alert for its innate ability and can roll -% alert as well
so those can get -15% alert i guess
valid isle
i dont think i saw an item with an innate -alert other than the level 5 cloak
so its gonna be 8% vs 15%
or 10% vs 15%
the cloak is any job level 5 too, so its worth putting on all the level 5
wintry lynx
Anyone find a way to buy follower items on the trade site?
valid isle
oh interesting
havent seen that
i have like 7 of the level 5 cloak lol
also, just my opinion
but killing rats shouldnt boost alert lol
rigid stream
Does it? I have Seen some dont increase the alert
void wing
Guard rats!
rigid stream
Also its all Magic in there, why No Magic rats
strange minnow
there are very tiny rats
and there are normal - "big" rats
so we can enjoy slaughtering freely? 
valid isle
as an aside, i think the higher the alert level before alarm
the harder things are after alarm
pastel token
So i failed two of the quests heists or something ( idk what happend the portal just closed) and now i have 2 of the quest items stuck in my inventory, any way to get rid of theM?
tulllina's ring and the admirals papers
are the items
hazy pumice
need to collect another quest item contract for each
pastel token
ffs
valid isle
still, even with heists being messy
the rewards are fantastic
havent left a level 67 yet without at least like 5c
still mural
you may be able to turn them in to their respective rogues by talking to them?
i think the admiral's papers one, at least, you get if you succeed, not if you fail
burnt elbow
Sooooo... There's a heist where when you first enter the portal it's VERY easy to accidentally click on the portal and immediately leave. Is there a way to restart that mission? It was the ||Opal green quest||.
still mural
you'll get it as a drop from a cache again later
burnt elbow
Ah gotcha, thanks!
short canopy
how do i find sculpture the catch to unlock my trinket slot ?
valid isle
curious about two things, one, what are q20 gems even worth anymore? Two... how the hell do i get a quality 40 gem for the achivement/challenge? lol
still mural
one of the E gems (enlighten or enhance, I always get them mixed up) gives +gem quality; you can combine that with one or more different ways to boost support gem level, or Dialla's Malefaction unique which gives +10% qual to socketed gems
valid isle
i assume it doesnt include enhance
strange minnow
@burnt elbow had this happened 3 times already, this design is terrible
valid isle
since its saying get a 40q gem
still mural
I don't think you can do it without enhance
valid isle
well, i know you can get q30 gems (and other items) from grand heists
frigid venture
Is it just me or is apex mode super good for intensify builds when kiting bosses
jaunty shale
is it just me or did smugglers caches disappear?
frail kayak
@pastel token just drop the quest item stuff on the ground if you fail
pastel token
I thought I tried that and I couldnt drop it, but I just tried again inside of a map and it worked
maybe i didnt actually try, regardless though thanks
frail kayak
Yeah it has to be a place where you can drop stuff
In a ho or rogue market etc, you cant drop only destroy
Thus it doesnt let you
pastel token
Ah i see
frigid venture
@jaunty shale they haven't
sharp tree
is it just me or is the AI for heist absolute dogshit
frigid venture
you can click on doors 100 times and the crew members just stand around and do nothing
frustrating af when you're on lockdown timer and when escaping
worst are the mind control and the vent crawling ones
the vent guy needs to kill someone before pulling the lever inside, so if enemies are out of place, the guy just stands next to the lever til the end of time
grim bison
its frustrating that this guys are not able to start a league without big problems
thorn nest
yeah noticed it too, a way i work around that ai problem is i backtrack a little until the crew member starts following me again.
This issue mostly happens when i click on doors and they are far away, so i just wait until they are close before doing it
grim bison
some bugs ok...but it feels everytime at start complete shitty to play the league mechanic
frigid venture
yeah noticed it too, a way i work around that ai problem is i backtrack a little until the crew member starts following me again.
I tried that for the vents issue. Reset and went back to attempt opening the door again, the dude still stands next to the lever and does nothing. Happens most often when the guards on the other side of the door are alarmed
The vent crawling is scripted to stealth kill someone on the other side and then pull the lever, so if the guard walks away/despawns etc. the script will be janked
same with the mind control guy
pseudo hull
hey GGG
the red laser that dodge and avoidance doesn't apply to that one shots you in heist
get rid of it
it's trash
icy falcon
I noticed that most of the lockpicking heist are currency rewards. What else you guys have?
pseudo hull
makes bow builds unplayable in the heists
fallen sapphire
New heist league mechanic, if you dash at a vault door, you get stuck at it.
thorn nest
not sure about the vent issue, cause i didnt face that one yet
frigid venture
the walk away and reset solution only works with laser doors, minefields, brute force doors and demolition doors
thorn nest
lockpicking too, and perception.
anything but the 2 where enemies need to be in place
disguise and agility or whatever it was called
those also take ages...
even when they work properly
fallen sapphire
Yeah but boys, instead of fixing all of these problems they decided the best way is to change some numbers and buff and nerf some stuff
To make it seem like they are doing work
violet nymph
What exactly are secret reward rooms in regard to Tullina's perk? Only those I can reveal on blueprints?
blissful falcon
Can someone explain to me how I earn blueprint reveals? I've tried a lot of different stuff, and I haven't gotten a single one yet...
livid lake
talk to barber
you get a certain amount of reveals per blueprint, and then it costs marks to unlock areas
livid lake
as in the option or they have 0 reveals when you give them a blueprint?
blissful falcon
they have 0 reveals when I give them a blueprint, so I can't reveal any of the options
livid lake
odd, not sure then tbh, i thought it was per blueprint maybe its based on something else.
blissful falcon
Hmm.. I read you get them by doing heist
And someone mentioned you have to lock in the blueprint before you get reveals
but nothing has worked for me
livid lake
have you tried jsut churning through some contracts to see if you get any?
blissful falcon
Yea I've done probably more than 10 contracts without luck
that is after locking in the blueprint
and those were of approximately same level as the blueprint
have done a lot more contracts before of various levels
strange minnow
try runing a little lower lvl tasks
blissful falcon
if you stamped the blueprint isn’t it locked
@eager terrace That would make sense. But it doesn't really say.. I don't have reveals on other blueprints either though
I will try lower level tasks
jaunty oriole
Level 86, no story contracts, been no stop mapping, and I still cannot do perception or deception?
all i have for heists is perception and deception, cuz I dont have to person to do them? how do I unlock? almost level 90 -_-
strange minnow
try traiding
jaunty oriole
when do I get the story unlock for perception / deception? this is kinda stupid
strange minnow
for discovering you kinda keep trying, sorry
I am in same position with uber lab, 89 already and not found 2 trials
jaunty oriole
alright well this system is absolutely fucking dumb the lmfao. Gatekeeping people from content due to rng, level 90 and still no story for perception/ deception zzzzzzz
short canopy
so can you go out from grand heist between wing to deposit loot or not ?
rigid stream
its a progression chain, the base members bring your first set of extra members and the new extra members bring the last set
buoyant owl
Is there any way to increase reveal points?
rigid stream
do more heists
tight snow
I don't have a trinket slot but I've had two trinkets drop, is the unlock missable somehow?
strange minnow
you need to improve their professions
tender flume
you have to click a separate pedestal in the Curio room
when you find your first trinket Curio room
it has "click this to unlock trinket slot" written on it
tight snow
Right, let's hope I find another one soon
thanks
distant osprey
what do the green heist missions do? are those to just unlock stuff?
tender flume
they are only available from grand heists, afaik
I hear those are cheap on trade atm
green missions progress quest lines for your individual rogues, but I haven't seen anything come out of them yet
maybe they are necessary to get to the bosses later
blissful falcon
do more heists
@rigid stream Do you know what the mechanic is specifically? Just x% chance for reveal per heist?
rigid stream
yes you should get them fairly reliably, i think its even 1:1?
blissful falcon
I've gotten 0 in my 20-30 heists...
rigid stream
getting the artifact and not too low lvl?
blissful falcon
I've done both low level and sameish level heists and gotten the artifact
lone pike
anyone knows what to do with krast's revenge to plant the poison?
brazen pulsar
Knew it would happen eventually. Got bugged on the final door with the lockdown timer, had to run away and run back to make him unlock it, clicked once on the artifact, it cracked, and lockdown, no loot...
But hey, at least the stash isn't a pvp zone anymore
sweet ether
trinkets
low forum
how i get trinket slot
shut trench
Is the heist NPC XP based on, heist level? actions?
marsh oracle
I'm not sure how i even unlocked it
I have a lv 4 guys
28% chance in Heists for Chromatic Orbs to drop as Jewellers Orbs instead
troll item
cunning blade
rigid stream
No
Secondary skills have a lower max value. Only the primary Skill can Go to 5
Jack of all trades rogues dont even have a lvl 5 Skill but many lower Level ones
karmic bay
Are blueprints a random drop just like contracts ?
shut trench
Seems like it
karmic bay
a bit rare aren't they :/
rigid stream
Fairly rare but much more Common than blighted Maps in blight
karmic bay
Ye, lost a wing to the same thing
short canopy
it just sad
karmic bay
give em a week or so to fix more bugs 😛
glad tusk
What are the four slots in the npc’s inventory, and how do i get them
lavish bane
so 10/10 getting one shotted on a white heist map is getting pretty old. Jesus did they overtune the door mobs..
glad tusk
I know the small one is the brooch, what about the other 3
lavish bane
I've been digging through forums seeing both fools and legitimate players complaining about this
Has there been any mention by GGG as to if they are going to tone the heist mobs back?
This reminds me of syndicate and the create-a-monster when they first came out
I swear GGG just uses it as a gate
karmic bay
@glad tusk Middle one is skill specific, so it requires lvl x in deception / brute force / whatevs
To the right ya got cloak
Haven't gotten anything for the left slot yet tho
glad tusk
Oh i see, im really only interested in the reward buffing ones 
Did you find a poedb page on them? I tried digging around to no avail
karmic bay
Nope, just what I've picked up
karmic bay
np np
But ya should take some interest in the others items too, its pretty nice with increased job speed and inc lockdown timers 😛
oblique crag
these are not heists, these are genocides! "I am going to sneak quietly and... oh fuck it, die all of you xD"
shut trench
Anyone got the NPCS to a point where they have pretty good gear? Is stealth or atleast more stealth an option?
steel plinth
Oh that
lol
for real?
that's it
since i dont know much about how the heist work in endgame should i worry about marks
in other words is this enough?
feral forge
its not a lifetime supply but it should last a few good blueprints
steel plinth
i see
btw one more thing
when i fail a contract and just escape will my followers lvl up regardless if i lose or win
feral forge
they gain xp only if you successfully complete the contract
woeful cargo
hey anyone know if there is a list of the new replica uniques and there effects around anywhere?
eager charm
Poedb
strange minnow
I have spent a total around 6k marks on a 55lvl grand heist
feral forge
i personally feel like doing anything other than opening wings is a waste of marks
and you should always use a high level gianna to reveal because she can reduce the price by 20-35% (maybe more)
strange minnow
their goal was like "grand heist once for every 12 normal heists"
rigid stream
you want to unlock everything, the side thingies have 2 chests each and in a normal grand heist you get the main reward +4 extra chests
shut trench
I'm just leaving my grand heists until I level the NPCs up. Or do the grand heists give tons of xp?
feral forge
in my experience, each wing gives around 3x the xp of a normal contract per NPC
slightly lower, around x2.5 times the xp ish
got ~750 when one contract gives ~300
shut trench
What level heist and what rarity?
shut trench
Ok maybe I will do the grand heists. Hows the loot in them? Are you heavily limited by the alert?
feral forge
technically since each wing gives xp individually, they give xp 9 times instead of once, compared to normal contracts
if you have 3 wing blueprint
6 times if its a 2 wing one
rigid stream
In Grand heists you have 3 Chars and thus can reduce alert gained subtsantially. But, you usually dont Take the small chests and instead Take several big chests + the final reward
And If you Roll the Map you can get "Killing guards reduces the alert Level" as affix
shadow thistle
Are you guys finding blueprints? I'm not.
shadow thistle
I'm lvl 76 got all the crew members and have run a bunch of maps and heists. Never seen one.
fresh coyote
I got more blueprints than I can handle and I have like 4 crew members 😄
shadow thistle
Bugs will be bugs
merry obsidian
shut trench
I find them fairly often in low tier maps. Can't find any gear but blueprints are pretty common lol
shut trench
Yeah i saw that, has it been updated yet>
shadow thistle
Not sure
heady wigeon
oh boy... it feels so bad to die while escaping a heist :(
going in it can be super easy, but as soon as the alarm sounds it just needs one pack with a couple of bad rares in a bad spot to ruin your day...
shut trench
Might even be beneficial just to make the most tanky no damage character just to run heists lol
brazen pulsar
2 Heists in a row a door got bugged and the demo guy wouldnt blow the door
GRAND heists
Lost about 1.5 ex of stuff
And the heist before that I lost a 6L dendrobate
same bug
shut trench
maybe I'll save up my GH until patch day
shadow thistle
Why did they buff heist dmg
strange minnow
BAH Arcanist, lets check your works
brazen pulsar
Vinderi is the one that bugged both times
shut trench
If you can survive the door shotgun clearly damage is too low lol
brazen pulsar
Unfortunately, he's the ONLY lvl 3+ demolitionist
celest atlas
what is the current opinion on ARC vs Crackling Lance ? .. or still bugged ?
brazen pulsar
Welp....Nevermind....I lost a lot more than I thought. I had a phantasmal reave
Worth 2.5 ex apparently
shut trench
I've heard crackling lance is lackluster in archmage. But that's all I know. But you'd probably find out more in build planning/fixing.
grand dune
when you do a grand heist with multiple rooms, can you leave to stash your items and get back in?
or does it close like with a single grand heist room?
maiden coral
three failed heists thank you servers
i'm not having problems playing through the acts
old fox
Quick question. Is there a breakdown of how alert is generated in a heist? I have a general idea, but I want more accurate info
maiden coral
but whenever i heist it screws me up what the hell
neat rover
Dont stand near doors when heist is opening, you will get stuck....
fucking got stuck at the last door
couldnt get out
ffs
maiden coral
fuck it i'm down to 200 markers
i can't play smoothly on it, tried lowering all the settings if that was it
a second of pause means death :V
limber sage
It seems this league Difficulty/Reward balance is off. The fact you loose all your items, XP, heist coins, time when you die is too much
maiden coral
I haven't been able to enjoy a heist today and yesterday
limber sage
And whoever thinks putting 3-4 Rares stacked on top of each other was a good idea 🤣
maiden coral
i'll probably just buy contracts of my level now, finish up act 9 and 10 and then hopefully survive those despite the freezing :VVVVV
old fox
You lose xp in heists?
old fox
Xp feels like the one thing they CAN'T take from you
limber sage
When you die you loose XP. But I mean Heists are as long as a map to walk through
old fox
Oh. I've never noticed. Can you delevel, or is it just lost until you got the xp floor of your current level?
maiden coral
nah just 5 or 10 % of your xp towards the next level
old fox
Gotcha
frigid venture
Ok is it intended that the game defaults to highlighting the portal when you enter a heist? I ended up immediately clicking the portal back to the harbour as soon as I'm loaded into the heist. There's no way back in.
shut trench
I think they said they would change it to have a confirmation before returning.
Unsure when it's getting added
wispy comet
how do u get past level 3 on their skills
rigid stream
Only the primary Skill can Go above 3
uneven mural
Is there any way to make the green contracts not take up an inventory space until you do them? No way to stash them anywhere?
rigid stream
And Some that have many skills have a Maximum of 4 in all skolls
uneven mural
at this point all I want to do is stash them and forget them
rigid stream
Just Run them
shadow thistle
Then hold onto it
rigid stream
They are quests for the specific rogues
uneven mural
so permanent inventory space loss, gotcha
shadow thistle
Permanent is a odd choice
uneven mural
Is there any way to take them out of inventory without running them?
rigid stream
If you are so hatefull that you cant be arsed to do the 5 Minute Run, yes you have to Take that permanent inventory loss
uneven mural
alright thanks for info :)
rigid stream
Eat it
shadow thistle
Tried no eat
rigid stream
Same way as you eat fish^^
shadow thistle
Guess it's a perm inventory loss thanks ggg
maiden coral
@rigid stream i lost markers and wasted time doing one of isla's contracts 
Server's won't let me do heists
maiden coral
Unexpected disconnects, freezing during the big escapes
maiden coral
welp here goes
velvet vector
How do I level my followers to 4? Some are stuck at 3
Like if Karst does a lvl 1 perception mission, should he lvl to 4?
velvet vector
hm ok, bad example then 😛
maiden coral
Hmmm succeeded in a heist, thanks @rigid stream
rigid stream
nice!
maiden coral
nope spoke too soon, next one disconnected me right before i got to the object
wary smelt
my bugged hood with 11% reduced alert lvel
north crow
I love this league I really do. And I'm having a lot of fun.
But it said that the barriers to entry right now are so bugged. A lot of people are getting bugs on the last doors of heists. Some people can't even get into their grand heists because of crashes. And then other people aren't even able to find blueprints.
Sucks cuz I want to play more but I feel like I have to step away from the game until they patch it at least
north crow
I've seen some people say running away and coming back but that doesn't seem to work for the bug doors were the icon disappears. It seems to have something to do with not having the right type of rogue to open the door. For example I brought to Tullina cuz she filled all three prerequisites. But the final door was an engineering door and she can't open that
I've also seen other people say that the doors are just bugged even if they have the right person. I'd say if you're going to try to run Grand heights right now. Check what the final door is and make sure one of your robes has that ability. I've been told you can see the final door on the blueprints. I have yet to find a blueprint so I can't confirm this
hollow blade
but i can't leave / suicide and come back to reset?
north crow
I mean you can try I don't know if killing yourself will allow you to re-enter and reset it. In mine I waited for 5 minutes when all the way to the beginning and came back. Left and re-entered and nothing reset the door. also it showed me the loot I could click on it past the door just not pick it up. So the bug thinks the door is open but never opens it.
I think that's why the icon disappears because the game assumes that you've opened the door even though it hasn't and the wall is still blocking you.
hollow blade
triggering the alarm does not solve it either?
isn't there a command that resets the UI?
lime lion
Is anyone here consistenly able to complete any grand heists? I have done 5 of which 2 crashed and 3 had doors that wouldnt open at the end before the last room
lime lion
Probably just focus on maps/other content, until this is resolved?
north crow
I've run 2 both bugged
I also haven't had a blueprint drop
I had to buy both of mine
lime lion
Just a waste of time / resources otherwise, right?
dense cove
I succeeded the only one that I've done
languid river
I give up with this heist thing. Just spent all my 20k coins on a grand heist. Couldn't open any of the final doors, nothing happens.
hollow blade
but still lovely early game money
languid river
Great fucking game.
shut trench
If they work they are great currency generators
languid river
All 3/3 doors just stay closed, nothing happens with symbol. Or if I click it. Or if I reset (go out, back in etc.)
lime lion
Couldn't open any of the final doors, nothing happens.
Yea, that what happened three times for me.. the other two times I was able to loot at the end, only to have the client crash when the lockdown began
Probably just keeping away from it until another patch or two
Just so frustrating especially because you dont keep the loot
maiden coral
Like it disconnects you?
maiden coral
Oh gosh
lime lion
And the locked doors.. well I cannot loot the main objective
it's usually the door at the very end
that can only be interacted with once
then nothing happens
then deadlock pretty much
spice inlet
is replica mistwall just a random grand heist drop? do I need a specific level grand heist?
normal osprey
how do u make the barbers shop referesh?
hollow blade
i love that robot that just keeps running in the robot heist missions
he is fast af, but ain't going anywhere
worldly sedge
How do you get a members MAIN skill(the one on the top?) passed level 3? im at like 100% on everyone
frigid venture
why cant i open this door
i clicked on the task and none of the 3 guys i hired are doing anything
north crow
See all the discussion above
frigid venture
so my reward borked? just like that?
north crow
Yup
shut trench
Welcome to week 1/2 of a league
frigid venture
that's utter bs
shut trench
Yeah it's pretty frustrating
floral linden
hollow blade
appearently i just found out u can bring contraband iteems to the starting area where the portal is to remove contraband without ending the heist
just found 1 ex and was ready to leave since i didn't wanna risk it
but right when i climbed the staircase, contraband was removed and i could return to the heist without fear of losing the items
frigid venture
this is the third goddamn wing
covert sage
happy buggy league hahaha
valid isle
I have finished all 3 of my grand heists
But I have only found 3 up to level 85
So... its not something I have seen a lot
frigid venture
so 3k coins + a blueprint gone just like that
kindred ether
ya on lvl 85 already? Geesus
hollow blade
aren't people lvl 100 already?
valid isle
85 was pretty fast
bronze cave
Is there any place where i can see the mods that thief equip items can roll?
i cant find it on poedb
valid isle
But heist drops are non existence
I mostly just buy all the ilvl 67s when I level
From the vendor
They said they found 1 in every 10 maps to be too frequent lol
north crow
On a 20% alch and go map I will see an average of five to six coin drops. I assume each of these coin drops also has a chance to have either a contract or a blueprint. Some maps I will get two to three contracts. However this is like once every five maps.
I still have yet to see a blueprint I'm in yellow maps level 80
Smuggler's Cash is like once every five maps maybe
past adder
does anyone know what the contract death to darnaw, naval contract does or why its so much on the market?
celest atlas
how do i knolw which of the heist memebr i should train first .. is more different skills better ? e.g. rather train Huck instead of Tibbs ( demolition)
valid isle
Hard to say there. I just try and train them all above lvl 1 first
velvet vector
Can you go and sell loot after a wing and still keep the portal?
cobalt falcon
How to reset barber contract purchase
valid isle
level up, afaik, Sendal
verbal crest
hmm, heists seem to be pretty profitable. Im averaging like 9-10c per run that takes like 4 mins
verbal crest
the only downside is I am neglecting maps so I am still only doing like lvl 79 heists
I really need to get to red maps soon
valid isle
yeah, the contracts are great, blueprints are too rare though
i think im well above the normal income curve for a season this early in, i even found some killer uniques
deft escarp
Which guy reduces alarm level?
velvet vector
Can you go and sell loot after a wing and still keep the portal? Someone must know 😛
verbal crest
I have been too scared to try, but I doubt it
valid isle
i dont think so
half ore
How the fuck do you gain intel for grands
valid isle
i think leaving the portal removes it
verbal crest
@half ore you mean reveal more rooms?
half ore
I think I cracked it, contracts have to be 68+ for 68+ grand heists
valid isle
makes sense, which sucks since all the contracts you can buy stop at 67 lol
not that it matters much, since the loot that comes from the 67s is significant enough to do what you want
half ore
Yeah, Im sure its the reason why barber sells 67s
verbal crest
how do you get to lvl 5 skill? all mine seem to stop at 4
verbal crest
alch it and equipe to follower
sinful flare
How to I equip it?
verbal crest
talk to one of the followers in the harbor
valid isle
i think you cant get skill level 5s till you do all the unique quests
but im not sure
i know mine are stopped at 4 as well
violet nymph
Gianna hasn't given me a blueprint either of the times I have completed a mission with her
Oh nvm, I failed to understand her benefits. She just reveals part of a blueprint. sad
valid isle
there are definite bugs
rigid stream
you can also just press V in the harbor
it brings up the complete follower interface
you dont have to walk up to anyone
valid isle
yeah, pressing V helps a ton in instances too lol
you dont have to click on the buttons
valid isle
now that i did not know lol
is V just the general hot key? lol
you find any more blueprints, Tunbart?
im at 4 total still
verbal crest
I have found 6 or 7, run 4
valid isle
damn, almost double me :p
i had one come with a great suit of armor
but outside of that, no real good rewards
but they were all low level except the level 68 heist
i wish id find some map grand heists, but no luck thus far
valid isle
i cant complain though
the armor was a 6s/5l
which had 1200 evade, 2 high resists, and +139 life lol
bold basalt
wew the lighting damage guys just killed me in 0.1 second, great damage buff ggg
valid isle
and only 4 mods, so i can put the +8% life on it once i unlock that with jun
there is great gear and stuff in the GH... just wish they would be more frequent then like 1/15 or 1/20 maps if the rate is to be believed
blissful falcon
Niles has the ability "Discovers a Blueprint Reveal upon completion of a Heist Contract Mission". However, I just did a heist with him, and I can't reveal anything.. Is it bugged?
verbal crest
you have to select him when at the guy you reveal intel at when doing a grand heist
he doesnt give it for free
he just gains charges of a 10% discount
blissful falcon
yea I gave him a blueprint, but I can't reveal anything
I have plenty markers
says 0 reveals
copper kernel
Isnt it a chance to
light garden
Is it just me or heists are wayyyy too deadly
blissful falcon
maybe I have to leave the blueprints in the reveal UI?
light garden
I die on every second heist and stomp the actual campaign
verbal crest
I died a lot at the start, now I rarely die
you just have to learn how to get around the most dangerous stuff
its pretty easy
still mural
it takes some getting used to, yeah
light garden
enlighten me then
still mural
leveling your rogues and equipping them helps too
verbal crest
what are you dying to
still mural
try not to kill stuff, for one; it makes more stuff spawn during your escape
still mural
a phasing or teleport skill helps to get past the mobs of enemies, or a decoy totem or void sphere to draw them through the doorway to thin them out a bit
less alert bar pre-lockdown = fewer enemies post-lockdown
verbal crest
if you are dying to just groups of mobs, like you would in a map or anything else, that suggests your defenses are just bad. I dont find the mobs any tougher that most maps. The deadly stuff is usually doorway choke points
light garden
less alert bar pre-lockdown = fewer enemies post-lockdown
wait, for real?
still mural
seems that way
light garden
huh
verbal crest
even if thats true, you are wasting loot by not making maximum efficiency of your alert bar
light garden
i have about 3k life and 2k es on level 68, this should be enough
still mural
during lockdown there's a cap to the number of alive enemies in the instance; higher alert bar pre-lockdown seems to raise that cap. also killing enemies during the escape means more can spawn later, which contributes to the doorway mobs
light garden
isn't it?
verbal crest
it depends on a lot of stuff
still mural
well, getting out alive with some loot > dying and getting no loot, if they're having trouble
still mural
I agree that you should work to max your alert bar, but while you're learning how to survive...
valid isle
yeah
also you can get a lot of loot just doing the small chests, ignoring the big ones
verbal crest
Im 5k life and very rarely die up to 82ish heists
valid isle
and stacking -alert effects on gear and rogues
blissful falcon
i got a reveal now
I figured it out
you have to leave the blueprint with the NPC
light garden
i have res capped
blissful falcon
in the reveal UI
valid isle
lucky you, Penguin. I keep getting low level heists, even in higher teir maps.
im not sure why there is a varied difficulty in the heists
verbal crest
My defenses arent even that good and I dont have much issue
still mural
armor is shit unless you stack a lot of it anyway
verbal crest
and my chest even prevents me from being res capped
valid isle
yeah, stacking armor helps a ton though for this
im running at about 30k armor after flasking
lol
(which helps with CwDT + Molten Shell)
that said, they definately have armor pen or something
native storm
Does anyone know what happens if you have a hireling mission contract in your inventory and begin playing another character?
valid isle
oh yikes, you are really squishy
still mural
each character gets the quest contracts separately, i believe
native storm
The ones you cannot remove? will you eventually find them again on your new toon or do you have to go back and complete them
ah, ok, thank you
still mural
I'm not 100% on that, but I think I remember that being said somewhere
light garden
what should i get to be more tanky then
verbal crest
oh btw, finally got this 6 linked lol. Thank god
verbal crest
just a passive built in 22% magic find is nice
maybe why im getting more blueprints
valid isle
that said, max res 72% is scary
valid isle
yeah, but i cant imagine red maps, especially 8 mod reds, being safe at 72% XD