i cant wait for them to fix splitting steel
#1┃mirage-league
ocean narwhal
I've done a bunch of heists but I dunno how to unlock dudes
I got Huck from my first rng contract but otherwise nobody
bronze cave
Has anyone figures out if its worth it to alch contracts?
languid lake
@crude scarab I have a blueprint that cost 10k marks to open up
So yes keep getting them
crude scarab
ok, I just started playing a bit with blueprints, and it getrs expensive fast
languid lake
I alch all of mine@bronze cave
crude scarab
my mediocre one is 2.5k to see a new wing
languid lake
It's rippy though if your build is weak
bronze cave
whats your build?
white badge
there's not a way to get rid of these atm right
still coral
only way to get rid of them is to complete the mission successfully. seems you're stuck with them until the contract drops again or GGG patches it
crisp tree
you can drop it
primal whale
Seems like the quest stole your inventory space. You sure you know how Heist works?
mighty meteor
I just don't understand why nobody is answering my question or at least acknowledging i asked it. How do you equip items on your heist members? i'm level 29, near piety. 4 heist members available and 3 gear types
primal whale
Cant you just drop it in a Heist?
bronze cave
@mighty meteor go to rogue harbour
talk to member you want to give the item to
click show inventory
put item there
primal whale
Ngl thats quite the entitled mentality
crude scarab
talk to any or hit 'v' to open up all the members interface (tabs up top, inv below, skills bottom)
mighty meteor
can't socket things in
still coral
items have requirements. read them
sudden laurel
does the poacher's mark bonus "Now adds 6 to 9 physical damage to hits against cursed enemies at gem level 1, up to 30 to 45 at gem level 20" apply to bleed damage from attacks?
still coral
bleed is an ailment, not a hit
sudden laurel
sorta? is it the same as having that added flat?
severe juniper
anyone having trouble opening you stash in heist?
still coral
the zone has player collision for some reason, that's why
white badge
be glad you're not stuck in there lol
still coral
huh, apparently you can get synthesized abyss jewels from Heist too
too bad this one sucks
crude scarab
I've seen some of that - I thought synthesis added implicits?
Is that just a roll, then fracture randomly when it looks like that
still coral
oh yeah, right. synthesis is implicit. so this is fractured I guess? still, interesting
crude scarab
fracturing came from synthesis afaik (wasn't playing but from what I gathered during harvest)
white badge
yeah that's a fractured mod
you can do anything to that and it won't go away
people used it in harvest to use two essences on items and do other neat tricks
valid isle
huh, found a le huep
that will be pretty nice lol
but, that said, the difficulty of these are waaaaaay above their level. 68s are insanely harder than starter maps lol
still mural
well, you aren't exactly supposed to kill everything
valid isle
oh i mean their damage
they are tanky too, but their damage output is pretty crazy, and im at 3.4k hp and 75% all res, also some good armor
maiden coral
Can GGG remove the heist exit portal
I lost a Karst quest heist cause I left it before I started lmao
Can't even recover that anymore :/ have to find it drop again
still coral
alright, well, I'm not attempting a grand heist again until GGG fixes their shit. Just lost a replica alpha's howl and about 40c worth of other stuff after spending 3k+ on a grand heist because it just up and crashed the instance on the way to the exit
I shouldn't've even attempted it after seeing people here complain about the crashes I guess but I had no performance issues with regular heists
sweet ether
havent crashed yet. done 2 grand heists
still coral
this was a level 70 one, alched
if that matters. My FPS dropped from 100+ down to about 20 by the time I got to the curio room
sweet ether
yea mine was 58 and 62
mild pine
The little chests seem to have a much better reward to alert ratio than big chests.
sweet ether
yea you can open about 10 of them vs like 2 of the big ones
still coral
you can actually get all of the chests... if you don't kill any of the mobs on the way
makes me glad my build is a maxblock/spellblock one
sweet ether
you kinda have to kill mobs sometimes bc the rogue AI gets stuck on them
still coral
I haven't seen that happen with any rogue except Niles
sweet ether
most of the female ones get stuck too for me
niles for sure
i thnk a blasphemy temp chains setup would be good qol for running around without killing
valid isle
yeah, i only do the big chests if its delirium or currency
opal hawk
Does heist get any better with the one shots? figured its just my gear while im leveling up
Never die in the acts, always ripping on heists
still coral
gear helps a bit but also just being more careful around the doors enemies stack behind helps a lot too
sweet ether
yea if you dont have a very safe build like totems id say its super rippy so far
esp when theres 10 lazer boys camping a door
4k life max block / end charges. i still get 1 shot
still coral
I was getting oneshot a ton when I was at 2.5kES, not-quite-capped resists, and only 60/30 block with my build, but I'm at 4.7k ES, capped resists, 74/64 block and can facetank them at 30 levels higher than the maps I was getting oneshot
opal hawk
Ah ok, maybe im not being careful enough, ripping on escape usually
still coral
other tips would be phase run + teleport/dash skill behind them if you come to one of those doors
valid isle
i think i finally noticed why heists have so much difficulty
the items for your allies in heist can do things like grant auras lol
pretty soon you can run around with 14 auras <~<
ocean narwhal
Just unlocked niles
he could stand to ease off on the fedora but otherwise he seems alright
still mural
yeah, I'm running withering step and blink arrow and they really help with heists (re: what tarlom said)
gritty hatch
still coral
if it's at the doors that have tons of mobs stacked behind them, decoy totem might help too
drop it while out of their LOS to bait their attack then phase/dash/tele past them
pearl fossil
It's been a while since I've seen the next heist quest: Contract grocery list. Do we know what spawns them?
valid isle
whats the minimum on large cluster jewels? 8?
still mural
I think you only get them from the smuggler's caches in acts/maps @pearl fossil
pearl fossil
could be. I haven't seen one of those in a long while.
celest tiger
valid isle
i find whatever one it is that has the mechanical stuff to be the most deadly
the enemies that die then become floor traps suck
maiden coral
asdfasdfasdfasdf lost two big heists just now ouch
thanks ping spikes
valid isle
there is a trap out there that boosts alert
if you walk by it
D:
christ the lag/ping spikes are awful
one chance only is a terrible design for something that is handled server side
doesnt help that heists are so strong that even d/cing for like 2 seconds results in death
still coral
I think most of the performance issues are due to the infinitely spawning reinforcement mobs during escape phase
valid isle
its the only place it happens
ruby roost
never
valid isle
died 6 times now total, and all my deaths were in d/cs during heist
ruby roost
the escapes difficulty is hilarious
wall of 3000 mobs behind small doors, so say goodbye to your loot if youre projectile caster
valid isle
i also feel they upped damage this league
no way with 3.6k hp, 75% all rest, and over 5k armor should i be getting chunked in act 9 lol
never actually die, but i come close, A LOT
wooden cloud
I should've league started totems
valid isle
also life leach + 350 regen a second lol
karmic bay
Totems are pretty rad when escaping
wooden cloud
Although I can play it real safe with toxic rain
Just gotta be ridiculously careful
karmic bay
But holy hell will HH be busted when escaping
wooden cloud
I wonder how well flicker will work
valid isle
HH will break the game in escapes
ruby roost
honestly i hope they nerf the mobs spawn a bit
valid isle
given the 50+ rares
ruby roost
because its impossible for me as caster to kill 300 mobs behind small doors
valid isle
its okay, im using splitting steel with chain and i dont have enough AoE
which is hilarious
karmic bay
Eh spawns are fine, they just need to tune down the dmg / dmg reduction on em a bit
ruby roost
while another 300 starts attacking me from behind
karmic bay
Vaal Ice nova tho
valid isle
or make them limitless only in the local area
karmic bay
rip fps
valid isle
spark spam rip
ruby roost
i mean, everythings better than getting surrounded by 300 mobs
i cast spark 3 times and all enemies will explode, especially the ones behind doors, bcs spark will bounce right into them :3
maiden coral
I lost an exalt 😔
valid isle
honestly, AoE/chaining isnt as good as it should be in heist
so even spark probably wont do as well as it normally should
karmic bay
There is some wierd damage reduction going on
karmic bay
Yeah but its like so much
Everything else melts but they just... idk, its like the trash mobs are T16 extra hp / regen Metamorphs
valid isle
yeah
i can one shot almost everything in act 10
i have about 15k tool tip dps but like 100k actual dps
yet on level 60 heists i do nothing lol
karmic bay
Ye, i got 2.7k unbuffed tooltip, actual dps should be like 100-200k depending on overlaps and buffs up
But its like im throwing wet noodles at a concrete wall
ruby roost
heist seems to be super rewarding
i mean would be if you could be able to run with drop away
for once
karmic bay
^
ruby roost
damn.... theres timer, there are fucking lab traps, sick damage reduction
and if you stay for a second, you will have 400 mobs behind doors, making heist instea death
karmic bay
And delayed on death effects that you cant fucking see because the visual clutter is just
ruby summit
are there vendor recipes on selling to the fence ?
maiden coral
yea
ruby roost
idk, i think ill map this league untill they decide to do something
maiden coral
lmao, i activated a contract and got dc'ed
ruby roost
im curious if they even test any of their new leagues
this shit is supposed to make game entertaining, not to make it stresfull as fuck
maiden coral
Today's heists had a higher failure rate hm
still mural
do rogues gain XP purely based on the level of the heist, or do they gain xp for each obstacle they bypass?
valid isle
ED probably flops this league, actually, Fluff
you need insane damage to really deal with heist of equal level
and ED doesnt hit that point, basically ever
still coral
tbh you don't really need much damage at all to heist if you have any combination of tankiness, phasing, teleports, and CC
I've started being way more successful with my heists once I decided to just stop trying to kill anything ever
frigid venture
anyone know if AoE has any effect on B Salvo's spread?
pearl fossil
Did they change how abyss cracks work? Most of the time, they stop and just puke monsters and no chest at the end.
still mural
they're bugged rn, yeah
bronze cave
its bugged right now
rigid stream
I havent Seen a single on death effect, which ones are they?
crude sierra
Do you get the green contracts again on new characters? I have 2 stuck on an abandoned build and cant transfer them since they dont go into stash / heist stash
crude sierra
cheers @rigid stream
still mural
the mechanical area (I forget which actual area it is) has some mobs that explode shortly after death
the area with the mechanical mobs, I mean
ruby roost
i decided to not finish heist, too much stuff to risk
still mural
yeah, sometimes you get some good stuff and it's just better to go ahead and leave
light crest
Anyway to refresh port zone so there is not 100 people trying to get into the stash?
Message #1┃endgame-help
still mural
only way I know is to leave and re-enter, but if you do that you may as well use your hideout stash while you're out
and idk that it reliably puts you into another instance anyway
light crest
It is in such a stupid spot
still mural
I've just noticed that it sometimes does, haven't actively tried to do it on purpose
light crest
That and the guild stash needs to swap places
Or is GGG trying to troll us in other ways than just rng now? lol
half magnet
Guys I am mentally drained from this alert level bar
I literally kill enemies ONLY when they prevent my dude from opening something and just take chests and I still go on lockdown half way through the map
Do I just completely ignore chests altogether ??
still mural
generally you have to choose between opening the big chests with the specific reward type and a few small chests vs opening a lot of small chests
ruby roost
generally you have to wai till they fix fucking league
half magnet
well hard when u are on ed con
ruby roost
like they always have
half magnet
this alert bar is one of most antifun pressuring things tbh
still mural
you have to keep in mind how far you have to go to the goal and leave yourself some wiggle room on the alert bar; once you get near to filling it up, you do stop opening chests
but you can open a fair few before reaching that point
ruby roost
the timer, the damage reduction, the 4000 mobs behind small doors prepared with skills dirrectly on door, traps like in fucking lab
entire league is stresfull
still mural
I'm enjoying heist far more than I did delirium thus far, but to each their own
violet nymph
if you die before triggering the alarm you can still go back in, but if you accidentally portal out of the contract you lose it ???
half magnet
the enjoyment is there for sure
ruby roost
it depends on build
half magnet
but the execution is poorly thought out
ruby roost
like i cant enjoy my freezing pulse caster
: )
but if some1 has 50k armour with leap slam then 4 sure he enjoys it
half magnet
I understand killing enemies give u alert but how the hell are chests generating alert and not unlocking doors
still coral
magic thaumaturgy, obviously 
half magnet
gems...
ruby roost
damn i cant wait for poe2
half magnet
ah yes for more wonky mechanics
frank shadow
just finished kitava in act 10. did my first heist. what am i supposed to use this currency for? because you finish the heist then sell the artifact for the currency
still mural
- accessing the heist area
- paying to run a heist
- revealing stuff on grand heists
in order from cheapest to most expensive
bitter ledge
Yeah, it's mainly to run Heists. This is to make sure that you can't just go into a Heist, open all the chests and leave without stealing the artifact because you'll run out of coins to run further Heists.
still mural
though sometimes you may want to do ^ anyway, if you find something especially good before reaching the end
ruby roost
its bassicaly about running away with loot
pastel token
is there a "meta" for getting the most loot?
i've heard dont kill any of the guards
bitter ledge
You can still buy the markers, though.
pastel token
but is there anything thats like concrete
ruby roost
but u cant run away bcs of 3000 monsters spawning behind each doors after filling allert
frank shadow
ah, so is the goal to raise your alert level high but not to max it?
still coral
it's also used for upgrading your blueprints. you can unlock additional rooms, escape roots, and entire wings with rogue's markers
still mural
don't kill stuff unless you have to, don't aggro stuff unless you have to, open as many chests as you can while still completing the heist, skip the big chests if they have a not-useful reward type
bitter ledge
Can the 'normal' chests in the Heists contain anything?
still mural
often there's a patrolling group or unique that you can easily avoid if you just take a moment to watch their movement pattern
bitter ledge
Like, is there a chance for normal chests to contain Breach items?
still coral
though given how imba the alert system is right now it seems kind of pointless to unlock additional wings on blueprints until you have really well decked out rogues
frank shadow
so be tactful, because the heist i did only had like 1 route with mobs all the way there, idk how i don't kill them lol
my flame dash itself killed them lol
still mural
their detection radius is smaller than normal; often you can go through a room and only aggro the enemies on one side of the room, and not the other side
frank shadow
hmm alright
still mural
and avoiding dead ends without a chest to open avoids the mobs there
also keep in mind that when the alarm bar fills, you still have like 15-30 seconds to grab stuff before lockdown actually happens
so sometimes it makes sense to open the end room, backtrack to grab a chest, then beeline for the goal chest while the timer's on
bitter ledge
I think that killing the partols is the thing that causes the alert level to spike.
valid isle
there are traps that cause your alert to spike too
still mural
opening chests also increases the bar some
a lot for the big chests, which is why you only open those if the type is actually good
bitter ledge
If you're not on a Grand Heist, is it even worth it to go for the reward at the end instead of just opening all the chests?
still mural
if you don't get the goal item, your rogue(s) don't get xp
bitter ledge
Hmmmm..
still mural
^
bitter ledge
What about making a level 2 character and just buying a lot of low level heists to spam exp?
valid isle
also they cap on level if your maps are too easy
still mural
like I said earlier, sometimes you'll pick up something really good and want to leave immediately just to be sure you don't die and lose it, but that should be the exception rather than the rule
bitter ledge
https://poedb.tw/us/Heist#JobExperience
Here is the exp needed for levels. Not sure if there is a list of how much exp each level of Heist provides.
still mural
I was getting like 5xp ish on lvl 3 heists and like 50ish on lvl 40 heists
light crest
Any one else crashing on the demo explosions in heists on occasions?
south plover
why do heists feel like you're either fine, or getting 1 shot. no in between
modest depot
can you go back to town to secure some stuff befor breaking the final alarm? i got so many stuff on big heists that it doesnt fit my backpack
south plover
I don't think so. Once you leave the little foyer area, the portal is gone
modest depot
no its not. if you die befor the final alarm you can go back in
south plover
if you die it puts you to the harbor. if you take the portal, the portal is gone.
half magnet
I failed the green heist from the lockpick and I am stuck with "The Kiss Goodnight" in my inventory and can't get rid of it
modest depot
hmmm wasnt the case for me. i died to some explosion shit before i got to the curio and i could just resume the heist
rigid idol
anyone have a tier list yet on which crewmember are better(of the same job)
or just play on
south plover
step 1: Buy a contract
step 2: Activate it and go in
Step 3: Walk out, don't die, but walk out.
Step 4: Realization dawns.
modest depot
maybe die and walk out have different impacts
south plover
that being said, if you die, it drops all the stuff on the floor, so that method isn't going to help
walking out definitely closes the portal.
mortal yarrow
Leaving willingly closes the portal, if you die before lockdown you can walk in again, if you die during lockdown the portal closes
south plover
or at least it did on day 1. if they patched it, great, because accidentally clicking the portal before you can even enter the main heist area sucked
frosty plover
If you just walk out with contraband to the "safe zone" the contraband tag gets removed and you can go back in to try and steal the target without having to worry about dropping your loot.. or so I've heard
hazy vault
what do you do when your mob wont open a door? im just sitting here staring at her on the other side
mortal yarrow
Walk away try again
mortal yarrow
That does sound a bit odd
spiral cipher
heist is really a get good issue
the reason your dying is your being cautious usually
mortal yarrow
Any other places you can make her interact?
hazy vault
yeah i did :/
mortal yarrow
Hmm
spiral cipher
probably bug
mortal yarrow
Out of ideas then
mortal yarrow
To slow us down
mortal yarrow
The doors force us to interact with stuff and lets us not speed it
rigid stream
To Stop you from making a 500% MS build and never getting hit
rigid stream
Because the Mobs are not overly fast and you can outrun them
mortal yarrow
If there was no doors I can see my ice shot ranger speedfarming heists
rigid stream
And its funny, you dont have to kill a single mob
You can Just CC them and move along
mortal yarrow
You kill barely any yeah
rigid stream
But many people insist on Clearing everything and then raise too much alert
mortal yarrow
Can just kill them when exiting
spiral cipher
right exiting is sitll hard
even with a bllow up anything i touch skill like shattering going non crit and defense focus
mortal yarrow
It can be rippy yes
spiral cipher
sometimes i just get blown up
rigid stream
I dunno what dmg that is yet, but you probably want Block
still coral
seems to be mostly spells, with some physical projectiles, from what I've seen
so spellblock is most useful for exiting I think
mortal yarrow
Its a mix of everything
still coral
yeah, I'm just referring to the super rippy piles of mobs that line up a firing squad behind doors when escaping
white badge
is there a good guide or video on how this works yet
how do i find the other skilled people like counter thamaturgy or deception
still coral
when doing a normal heist, your rogue will randomly bring a tag along character who will join if you complete the heist
half magnet
ok getting oneshot after lockdown makes me wanna alt f4
rigid stream
They usually dont instantly Attack, so what you can do is let then start attacking and then dash through
If you dont Dash straight but at an angle they mostly miss you
valid isle
a phasing flask helps a ton
still coral
phase run too, especially if you use frenzy charges
violet nymph
[league mechanic feedback]
I don't like the feature that crew missions must stay in my eq.
also, after i failed one mission for karst, that one where we get "The kiss godnight" item, i can't also remove it from my eq, not even destroy.
cedar plover
how do you get alternate quality gems, is it only form blueprints?
valid isle
whats sad though
10k armor, 3.5k hp, 3 end charges
using a phasing and a granite flask
and about 700 hp regen a second
isnt enough for the level 70s xD
still coral
that's really low health for level 70 in general if you're a lifebased build
blazing quail
WTF is with unlimited mob in heist? those mob stacking behind the door , few seconds and the room is fill with 100+ robots
valid isle
3.5k is low at level 70?
i usually dont bloat to 4k~5k till around 80
when i start getting all the items with +90 hp
still coral
unless you're an evasion build yeah
valid isle
it was enough that the act 10 boss didnt scratch me D:
still coral
although tbh I might be a bit out of the loop on that, past few leagues I haven't really played anything that had more than 1 life
still coral
t1 life on accessories is available (and not too uncommon) at ilvl40 now
valid isle
honestly, its getting silly if they keep pushing the need more life thing
i shouldnt need 3/4ths of my tree to be +life
sand spire
Question has anyone been able to posion the vent. Keep getting there and unable to never. Handed posion either in my inventory
still coral
I didn't have any issues with it
valid isle
honestly though, i think im done with heist till another hot patch
i shouldnt be getting deleted this hard lol
even in trying to just flee with a mix of dash and flasks, i turn a corner and 100 to 0 a bit too often
for an almost pure defense build
maps on the other hand are a brisk stroll
still coral
still think your life and defenses are way low for your level though
valid isle
well, the defenses are fine
10k armor without flask is pretty high
and im capped (well overcapped) on all resists
with flask i think im at nearly 30k armor?
but i shouldnt be able to facetank Kivata (sp?) but die to trash in heist lol
especially when running level 65 heists
half isle
i keep hearing stuff about apparently being able to get guaranteed tabula rasa from a hesit, is this true?
valid isle
so maybe my life is a bit too low for 65s? but my defenses are definately not
and i still think 3.8k* is enough for those
barren ingot
heist seems to have a number of super odd design decisions
bronze cave
I have no trouble with heists at around ilvl 77 with no investment more or less
barren ingot
some of the skills like brute forcing just do their thing and no interrupable cast time, there's some overlap in thief perks (like one of them is a discount on blueprints, and the other is the same discount on blueprints...and also gives something else?), mobs stacking up behind doors is - a odd decision to put it lightly, and door opening animation time is super variable.
valid isle
@bronze cave what ya running?
bronze cave
ed/c trickster
valid isle
im actually surprised that has enough damage to deal with heist
its a great combo though
bronze cave
i dont know how it is in higher levels
valid isle
but heist mobs seem to have insane amounts of hp, or perhaps its insane physical reduction lol
bronze cave
i mean, you dont need to kill them
you just need to not die
and with all the flasks and trickster defenses i basically never die
cedar plover
not doing too bad with toxic rain pf either
barren ingot
heist rares seem to have a predisposition to aura mods
still coral
im actually surprised that has enough damage to deal with heist
this might be part of your problem
valid isle
dont you have to fight when trying to open a trap or door on the way back?
thats normally where i rip
still coral
heists are way easier if you just don't fight/kill the mobs
you can kite them, or if you're tanky enough just eat them
they don't give alert until they die, so you can open more chests by not killing them
valid isle
i mean on the way back
during the alarm
when a bunch of locked doors pop up in the way of your retreat
and you deal with like 50+ mobs while waiting for whoever to open the door
barren ingot
yeah, it's safer to just kill the mobs if you're stuck at a locked door
still coral
you'll rarely have to fight some of them there, but usually the ones that'll be on you at that point will be fewer and not too strong. in most cases you can just keep them off the rogue doing a job
barren ingot
it's increasingly non-viable to try and just dodge them the higher you go, and as density gets larger.
still coral
for the ones behind a door, there's a lot of ways to get around them. phase run + dashes/teleports/etc., decoy totem to bait their big attack and go during their 'cooldown', etc.
valid isle
i have been ripping at those locked doors, i suppose i can try and just kite them
yeah, going through the door is fine
i just double dash + phase
barren ingot
it's fine in leveling but it turns into a total shitshow in maps and trying to dash behind them becomes uh, non viable.
still coral
I couldn't complete a single heist successfully pre-60
but once I started mapping they got way easier as my build filled out more and I got more ES/defenses
barren ingot
i shudder to imagine what red hesits look like
still coral
highest one I've done is like 76 I think? and it wasn't too bad
valid isle
it was 3.8k (well, 3897 to be exact)
still coral
that said, my build is kind of almost all-in on defense
valid isle
mine is as well though, but not ES
that said, im pushing something like 70% physical reduction
also, i find myself dying in the same type of heist
so perhaps its that map type lol
the one with all the mecha
still coral
that's heavily spellbased damage I've noticed
so phys reduction and armor and block isn't really gonna help much against it
valid isle
well, still resist capped, but if resist cap and 4k hp isnt cutting it, im probably fucked lol
barren ingot
during leveling they're definitely super overkill
still coral
the damage seems a bit overtuned on the spells so resists won't help if you're getting hit by multiple at a time... which, behind a door, that's easily 10+ mobs
fringe rover
OMFG, 6 unques, 2 of them i needed, and died like a POS before beeing able to leave
this shit is.... just lit 😄
barren ingot
i took like a 1.6k hp hit from a single rare in act 6 lol
(yes, i was resist capped)
valid isle
its the weird ones that stand there stationary and shoot their hand-gun things at you
i notice do a ton to me
the giant slow orb also hurts when it explodes
you know, a blind aura might help a lot <~<
also just realized my curse adds no damage lol
shy hamlet
still coral
try toggling fullscreen off/on (or vice versa) and see if that lets you click it?
violet nymph
ok, so I am like level 78 and still haven't dropped a single blueprit
are they that fucking rare
agile idol
does the alert raise on kill increase as map tiers go up? Im in leveling heists and im seeing all the complaints about alerting just by kills but i dont have that at all
killing half the heist and my bar is up like 30% at most..
wispy crest
What the F. I just started a white grand heist and my whole alert bar filled from killing THREE screens. Not even opening one chest. Literally didnt have a chance to do ANYTHING
agile idol
I guess that answers that
rigid stream
did you take the dude that increases your alert gained?^^
mortal yarrow
@wispy crest don't kill mobs problem solved
wispy crest
@rigid stream No. I had Tibbs, Flammenwerfer Granny and starting Lockpick
@mortal yarrow The thing is, as soon as the alert level got to half (about 5 seconds into the zone btw), I just started flame dashing through them but it still kept going higher and higher
rigid stream
which build?
mortal yarrow
How even
I di a grand heist and killed half the place with barely any increase tovut
quartz basin
Has anyone tried heist with minions? Curious to see how thats been going and if I should just sack my current build and go something else
tulip kiln
anyone know why some heist guys are stuck at lvl 2 or 3? cant go higher, 0xp until next level, is there a cap for certain skills on certain dudes?
foggy quail
Guys, who can link the list of mechanics, etc. I don't understand what to do ;D
foggy quail
thats all you have to do^^
@rigid stream I can't open door in a great heist, is it a bug?
rigid stream
yes, there is a bug that can happen in some grand heist. Unless you dont have a rouge with the required skill lvl
then its intentional
foggy quail
Okay, thanks for help
maiden coral
How often are those smuggler caches? Barely see em
Still in act 5
And how many rogues are there? Only have 6 hireable so far, none have deception
copper kernel
relatively rare
shell turtle
are contracts intended to replace maps in this league?
i know maps will exist, but for all intent and purposes, people will be running contracts over maps right?
maiden coral
Afaik it was a way to familiarize peolle with maps
shell turtle
ohhh
good point
so are maps still the endgame?
i'm just conflicted where contracts comes in lvl 70+
does it make more sense to farm maps for shit or contracts
mighty meteor
what do i do to open this?
there was no door to open, i can't click it either above or on the chest, says it's locked
rigid stream
press v
mighty meteor
not sure if there is a button... alhough
rigid idol
@mighty meteor that look like grand heist i think you need member i suppose?
mighty meteor
oh, it worked
mighty meteor
i hit V before getting to it and i could click above it
rigid idol
nice
rigid stream
sometimes the UI derps out and hides the button
mighty meteor
i clicked v when i was at it and it started unlocking it
rigid stream
but V should work
rigid idol
that good to know
mighty meteor
this is good to know
rigid stream
thats the, interact with league button
rigid idol
this league quite buggy so far feelbadman
rigid stream
it also says if you hover over the button
mighty meteor
i got a blueprint from opening it
rigid idol
but i like it cuz the reward from grand heist is insane
mighty meteor
grand heist?
hybrid cosmos
half magnet
ok sometimes when I click to initiate the unlocking of a door the npc just sits there
glacial flicker
Yeah, the pathfinding sucks as well.. sometimes they just chill in the room next door until you move back to them
maiden coral
Wait really 4k for a max blueprint reveal
half magnet
no they dont even glitch for me just stand there
glacial flicker
Hm dunno, for me it usually helps when I move around a little. Never had one hard-stuck somewhere
half magnet
i know what u mean
they trying to get in place
it is not what I am talking about
anyone know what the red eye symbol is in minimap inside a heist?
maiden coral
If they get stuck leaving the vicinity teleports them back to you
Then try again
^same question as Avengelol
Keep seeing it but nothing seems to be there
glad oriole
2 things I've noticed so far
You can leave the Heist portal by missclicking, and losing the contract.
And is not killing any enemies supposed to not give alert
half magnet
ok so here is a small strat, pick up the major chests. speed run and unlock the last door for your objective, backtrack a little while keeping your alert level close to full. Start spam picking small chest without looting just activating and use your 30 seconds to keep taking small chests and run to the last room and grab item to get rid of the timer .
doesn't always works perfectly but at least you get max value
mighty meteor
i alched this item, how is this possible? prefixes, 3 stats?
also, should i post league questions here or in #1┃endgame-help or elsewhere?
shadow thistle
Alch is random, scrub it and hit it again
violet nymph
Ok. I think somewhere along the leveling up to mapping I missed a green contract. Done every single heist I can but some I cannot do as I don't have someone with the correct skill. Do I just need to grind out some act areas and hope for the green contract or will it unlock some point and I've had bad rng?
feral forge
wait a minute, is it intended that you can just exit the heist location, have your contraband be greenlit, NOT take the portal back, but go back into the heist location to finish it?
rigid stream
Probably somewhat but Not really
feral forge
i only found this out because a door bugged and i couldnt get past it, so i guess thanks, bugs
eager terrace
I think I've gotten all my allies from non-green contracts
like elite contracts I think?
ruby thistle
Doubt it's intended but it seems like a good strategy
hushed summit
what is the objective of the green contracts? I don't see anything obvious on the map and I just fail them every time
eager terrace
same as the other heists, you just can't always see the icon for the end bit
it'll show up when you get near the end though
hushed summit
ah ok, thanks
mighty meteor
Wormhole is amazing, you guys gotta use it
ornate flower
can we only loot 1 inventory full of items in grand heists?
mighty meteor
use second wind with wormhole. even if you can't have 2, having 2 stacks and faster cooldown is worth it
turbid lotus
are the blueprints only doable when everything is revealed? cant put them in to activate them
tepid jay
i was on board with the mech but now that im reaching higher lvl's, i am in complete agreement that the raising alarm just walking and killing mobs is a flawed design.
livid pecan
jolly frost
So heist new mechanics is game crush?!
turbid lotus
are the blueprints only doable when everything is revealed?
frigid venture
How do blueprint reveal points work?
warped obsidian
how do you get level 4? all my characters are stuck on level 3 and capped xp
I mean rogues
violet nymph
yeahi cant level up my dudes past lvl 3, says 60/60 epx
tender flume
only the main skill can go up to 5
warped obsidian
what it main skill?
the one at the very top?
it doesn't say anything on chracters lol
tender flume
ya
tender flume
same thing different name
lucid monolith
how to lvl up heist job? one my companion has lvl2 100% and won't lvl up. contract done with him, nothing happend.
lucid monolith
ah, thx 😦
feral forge
how do you access the stash in between grand heist jobs
like can you just portal back after you portal out?
warped obsidian
@tender flume whos main skill is perception?
feral forge
nenet
warped obsidian
nenet?
tender flume
the lady with the fucked up face to the right of engineer lady
if you don't have her unlocked, go on a mission with Tully
maiden coral
how do you access the stash in between grand heist jobs
like can you just portal back after you portal out?
up on this
cedar sundial
this has to get fixed
shadow thistle
But doesn't it make you wanna buy more mtx
You might be stuck but at least you'll look GOOD
wanton rivet
Replica eternity shroud looks spicy for poison bv
versed dock
Uh, so yeah. I currently have a Heist related quest item stuck in my inventory it seems?
Can't drop it or something and don't know where it should be used for
daring mesa
ruby swan
how are other melee builds surviving heists? playing poison bv and I just get popped after opening doors
rigid stream
Rouges have a lower maximum level on their secondary skills
sour mountain
i was thinking that might be the case
runic zephyr
cool, first bunker and the game crashes right before the end. how can you fuck up so many league starts in a row?
bold heath
Welp, nice mechanic
I didn't do it while leveling, so I don't have any cache on maps
I'm 80, never saw a blueprint
mild pine
I got one blueprint by 80. They are super cheap to buy if you are in trade league.
Is unveiling wings worth it? They seem super expensive for a few more chests.
autumn acorn
how do secret reward rooms look? is there something i have to watch out for?
sour mountain
each wing has its own curio room
so it depends on whether you want that curio
there's also some kind of reveal discount mechanic with two of the followers you can get but i dont understand it yet
autumn acorn
ah, tullina ability said "secret reward room" so i figured it was something hidden like the shrine room in labs
wispy crest
Why does she not get to level 3 ? I need level 3 trap disarmament for Grand Heist 😦
violet nymph
how do you find blueprints
somber scarab
why i dont gain any Intel when i trade my Artifact?
bold basalt
echo solar
not sure if this is bugged but i don't have the heist, i crashed the other day while trying to complete her quest line. I would like to somehow get rid of the ring, i don't have her quest anymore and i keep getting new quests for other members.
ivory compass
you need drop this quest again
echo solar
her quest hasn't dropped for me since the first 12 hours of the league so i imagine i won't ever get it again lol
do you know if you can run harbor bridge instances to try to trigger quests?
somber scarab
do i always get an Artifact whenever i complete a heist?
violet nymph
In the grand heists why don't I have the button on the final vault?
So I clicked it and my guys did nothing and now the button is just gone.
gentle juniper
I have to admit I had no idea what I'm doing so I was just clicking random things. How does these blueprints work? I don't have anymore reveals ... and I cannot plan heist on the blueprint
or you don't start it from the same NPC that start the heist? How can I move this further? Or did I brick it?
stoic sparrow
upbeat urchin
how do i get a rogue with deception? or which one is it?
elfin heron
I'm stuck on not having a deception dude too, saw a tip - try to run heists with agents u haven't ran yet
upbeat urchin
ok
elfin heron
If you forgot the most recent agent u have just run with someone who's lv 0 in everything
I'm gonna try that when I get on today
autumn pollen
known bug, one of the 59 bugs listed on reddit 🙂
There are way more than that btw
golden rule is stacking infinitely now
craggy cedar
How do we get reveals points?
upbeat urchin
do rogues get more experience in rare heists?
lethal ice
PLEASE Fix so you cannot body block at the rogue harbour........................
Or lower the amount of people there is per instance
You literally cannot access the stash.
And when you do you cannot exit cause someone else is blocking ur path trying to get in
rigid stream
They are already working on a fix
shy lance
And Discord channel with players discussing league mechanics isn't the optimal way to be heard. Reddit/Officials forums is the go to.
@upbeat urchin Not confirmed but I would assume no as rarity only adds modifiers. Level of Heist does impact experience as far as I have observed though.
upbeat urchin
ty
lethal ice
@shy lance Or they could post that they are working on a fix instead of having us in the silent? I mean actually ingame in yellow text or something
rigid stream
People hate those Texts and dont Read them anyway
They posted on the forums and on Reddit? If you bothered to Check the GGG tracker in this very discord you would know
eager charm
crisp tree
somber scarab
why sometimes i dont receive any Intel when i trade Aritfact?
devout osprey
some people claim that you have to be stealth in the high level hesist is that true?
or rather that you lose out alot of currency
frigid venture
does this work the same as Pyre?
Pyre's wording is "enemies" while this quality effect's wording is "corpses" so i'm just wondering
shadow thistle
All heist rewards should be 1 square
violet nymph
Well yeah, any heist above level 70 is more or less impossible to blast your way through
So if your character is low hp and/or leechbased you are fucked
Or summoner
normal osprey
how do u get reveals to use on blueprints?
valid isle
upped to 4k~ hp and around 70% physical reduction, 75% all ele resist
and i still get one shotted in heists at 70+ lol
rancid canyon
so i failed a couple green heists cuz my build is shite , is there any way to get them again or am i bricked out of heist?
im lvl70 now and still miss half the members
sleek nexus
good lord this league is rippy
I haven't figured out which monsters have on-death effects yet but I am being deleted at random while walking over corpses
has anyone identified which mob types explode on death / leave landmines / etc?
valid isle
there are also some that walk up to you and self destruct
almost all my rips though are in the mechanical area
sleek nexus
those little skitterbots right?
valid isle
yeah
and if you kill them they leave a landmine instead
which is dumb af, dont kill them, dont not kill them... kay
sleek nexus
this seems like an especially bad league for on-death nukes
since you're supposedly meant to be sprinting for the exit, plus lots of narrow tunnels / no way to not step over corpses, plus super dense clusters of mobs waiting in doorways so it's hard to pick out if there are time bombs in the pack or not x_x
rigid stream
You can avoid some of them by Not opening certain chests. Because that opens hatches where guards can Pop Out. The skitterbots also only Spawn on some heists, you can usually See them patrolling when you get in
valid isle
im nearly pure defense though and getting rocked in escaping so
i feel bad for anyone who is DD based lol
rigid stream
You can kill them, they arent as tanky as Delirium mobs
valid isle
at least the loot is crazy
they are endless
no reason to kill em
the longer you delay the faster they spawn too
rigid stream
Ye
shadow thistle
Your alarm level should dictate the amount/difficulty of the mobs spawned after you grab the artifact. and it shouldn't be unlimited spawn unless you tripped the alarm.
rigid stream
It does Work Like that of sorta
sleek nexus
the skitterbots are the death effect I can actually see since they make bright red flashes on the ground before exploding, but I've died in some of the other area types to things I couldn't see at all, still trying to figure out what to even look for
rigid stream
The more chests you Open the more guards Spawn During the escape
rigid stream
Well its probably Not really unlimited,.Just a lot
And only If you Go AFK they Stack Up too much
If you Just run Like you should in an escape, you get Out fairly easily
valid isle
also, they really do have too much hp/damage for their level
im level 75 and level 65 heists are scary for me lol
valid isle
you need to kill some, honestly
rigid stream
And Run around looking for mobs
valid isle
its how you get tools for your theives
rigid stream
Just get Out and kill stuff on the way
valid isle
bunker is definately the easiest of the map types
the mecha one is the worst and needs to burn
also unit collision being on in the rogue port is awful and the person who designed it should be fired >~>
likes its so obvious its a bad idea
slate spire
revealed all 3 wings + escape routes -> went into grand heist and there was no entrance to the wings from the "gathering room" after portal. quality gaming 🙂
valid isle
well, if it makes you feel better
i havent found a grand heist from level 30 to level 75
slate spire
i did before lvl 30, and then nothing until maps - but you could buy those for 1-2c in SC...
violet nymph
You people are actually doing the heists?
valid isle
define doing
slate spire
thinking about skipping grand heist until some fixes....doors not being able to be opened - companions stuck - no entrances to proceed....
valid isle
the actual rewards of heists are awesome imho
i probably make about 10 chaos per heist i can actually do
violet nymph
You can run 2-3 maps in the same time you do one heist
valid isle
i dont make that much per map though
slate spire
well not everything is about efficiency - want to play the game. been mapping all the other leagues before 🙂
valid isle
i mean, its been less than 48h
slate spire
hunting that replica HH 🙂
valid isle
so... lol
violet nymph
Yeah, the league is really bad
Cant play summoner, cant play anything that actually moves fast
This heist thing is really bad
Like bestiary bad
valid isle
how can you not play anything that moves fast? XD
upbeat urchin
im playing zoom zoom, trying not being bad
valid isle
yeah, mine is fast af too lol
you can do summoner as well, you just get to open less chests in heists
valid isle
you can play it, you just cant open as many chests
you can still open a good 10+
this sounds like a pebkac to me
violet nymph
Well, game is broken
summer cove
is there a point to actually successfully completing heists?
violet nymph
Hopefully next league isnt garbage
valid isle
skilling up + lots of coins, Rayz
summer cove
coins drop plenty in maps anyway
valid isle
not enough to do grand heists
slate spire
coins you can use on grand heists then, only to find out its bugged and you lost your coins xD
valid isle
you need like 5k~ coins to fully reveal a grand heist
but skilling up your rogues is the most important
summer cove
I see
valid isle
especially the ones that have -% alert
summer cove
Are grand heists rewarding?
slate spire
and going back and forth to you h/o to access stash, because still no fix to the layout
violet nymph
They give tons of shit but not even remotely close to what mapping does
summer cove
Main dilemma i have with heists is the small chests have very good rewards that i'd rather open chests than finish the heist
valid isle
i usually pop things up to like 99%
slate spire
just open few small ones, one bigger one and get the target
valid isle
then pop the final thing and run
and JP, i have never seen a map drop 20 gemcutters
or 15 chaos
and people are getting exalts and stuff in em
violet nymph
Try running red maps, it usually helps
summer cove
Right, another question, has anyone here reached high level heists, like tier 12+ equivalent?
summer cove
If so, can you still just run around heists avoiding killing mobs?
summer cove
Ah
slate spire
and dont alch contracts...useless
summer cove
See, I was scared that at higher levels mobs are too strong to just run around
Alching contracts has no benefits?
slate spire
"item quantity" and "rarity" - but you open chests so wtf
valid isle
it makes it harder, but also provides things like +% loot or -% alert
so it can be good
slate spire
and mob buffing mods, so if you rip in white - you will in yellow
summer cove
Are heist mobs really tanky or is it just in my head?
I'm 1 tapping mobs in regular maps with ED but i need to hold down blight even for blue mobs in heist
valid isle
extremely stupidly tanky lol
lilac raven
My heist person xp bar is showing "250 / 0" - is this bugged or working as intended?
violet nymph
That's called league start
violet nymph
The solution will be in a gambling chest and MTX next week
valid isle
pretty sure yep
marsh oracle
Lol all of my friends did the same mistake, go all in on karst, but you have to pick the right main to get to lv 4
The trailer says you can customize your party too so it's super confusing
lilac raven
hot damn is the UI for that trash tho
slate spire
well the secondary skills etc. are completely bogus - if you need 3 jobs, on lets say lvl 2, and one rogue has all the abilities on lvl 2+ , you still need to hire him 3 times
so why t. F would they have secondary abilities anyway lol
marsh oracle
Prob so u can stack trinkets
marsh oracle
But primary skills are so core they should have made a big deal about it in the UO
UI
All 3 look the same for the character
"Karst sucks at agility" not very intuitive
slate spire
idk - i just want to access the stash without getting into queue and the grand heists to work
apparently its too much asked of a league ^^
marsh oracle
The Stash is so trolll lol
slate spire
but i can actually see how they missed it when "testing" - they didnt with over 50 people in there
warped jasper
Guys, i cant find anywhere. How do you get a blueprint?
slate spire
but all the other crashes, doors not getting opened, game crashing, no entrances to proceed...this is basic league mechanic and should never bug like this, even shortly after release
marsh oracle
Maps drop
warped jasper
Maps drop
@marsh oracle The drop is random? Instead of dropping a contract it may drop a blue print?
marsh oracle
Demolition is funny they're all freaking out at you unless you move away from the explosion
Yup
warped jasper
Thats very wierd
small wigeon
i need to level brute force to lvl 2 but all my contracts/the contracts the npc sells require brute force level 2
what can i do here
i wanna do the opal's jewels which also require brute force 2
lilac raven
wait for drops 😄
small wigeon
im stuck
lilac raven
same here
small wigeon
but im already at maps, wont it drop only brute force lvl 2 from now on?
lilac raven
no idea
didn't even think about that lol
inb4 you need to farm low level areas for those
hope not
slate spire
if not SSF - try to buy contracts ^^
marsh oracle
You can buy contract from that one guy
lilac raven
yea but he's not selling brute force lvl 1 contracts for me rn
is there a way to search for specific requirements on the website?
stat filter with "requi" or "brute force" isnt showing anything
frozen ore
Does contract scale as yiu level up? Can you grt lile lvl 84 contracts same way we get lvl 84 map drops?
hoary ridge
So, anyone thinking we got a chance for a balance patch next week?
frozen ore
What sort of balance?
full valley
Anyone know how to unlock chests within a heist? I have this "secure repository" but keeps telling me this chest is locked
south plover
How do you make heist less rippy? It's either 0 dmg or 1 shot, no in between.
lilac raven
just dont stand in front of doors about to be opened
other than that it's been feeling ok
pearl fossil
Do we know how to get all the rogues? I seem stuck even taking my last recruit on a couple of heists
valid isle
rng
pearl fossil
missing three slots atm
pearl fossil
So just randomly joining on heists then?
silver kettle
@pearl fossil rogues are introduced by specific other rogues. The first mission you do with rogue X will also give you rogue Y, first with Y will give you Z and so on.
tender flume
one is locked behind maps, I think
silver kettle
They are also somewhat level gated but not as late as maps
tender flume
maybe the last one is gated behind a grand heist success then
I am still missing that Sadge
dim hedge
hello guys, im in trouble
can't progress heist bcs can't find any quest contracts 
jovial drum
Hey, how do I level up my guys? I need a level 3 perception, and the one lady is like, almost there, but never seems to level up?
jovial drum
oh, well shit
valid isle
i lived through a glitched heist! woo
(it had traps facing the wrong direction so you couldnt turn them off)
slate spire
happens all the time
sonic glen
why can't there not be people in the harbor
lucid axle
is the DC fixed yet ?
lunar nexus
I think one of my contracts is possibly bugged. I have Tibb's treasure, but when I talk to him, he still has the prompt to take it from him
as well as, it keeps telling me to talk to him
lunar nexus
is it "Opal's Jewels"?
rigid stream
The Item He gives you is a Quest Item you use in that heist
paper surge
modest yoke
Is there any way to identify if i got alternate quality gem, other than going on page and doing ctrl - f ?
wet thorn
Does anyone anyone know how to level up Rogues past lvl 3?
next epoch
They have different adjectives when they drop. Normal quality gems are "superior", alternate qualities have other words associated with them
(specifically Anomalous, Divergent, and Phantasmal)
red stone
are grand heists using the same mechanics as normal heists? as in try to get the relevant loot before the alarm goes off then run
copper kernel
yeag
livid apex
limit your frame rate if you haven't
red stone
so i just tried my first grand heist
used up all my coins
both wings last door is bugged and doesnt open
10/10
valid isle
you think thats what is causing it?
i mean, i can run other things at 200 fps (lul) on maximum settings
livid apex
it doesn't have to be a low limit, but limit it
so it doesn't run as fast as your hardware can possibly run it (aka overheat city)
copper kernel
i very much doubt poe does some magical strain on your system
that other games dont
livid apex
nah it's quite possible
different programs have different load distributions
In Other News
where do these show up:
backbreaker unique mob
heist trinkets
next epoch
you can get trinkets from normal heists I think
I haven't run a grand heist yet and I've got a trinket (for a dude I haven't unlocked yet, lol)
next epoch
ah, nm then
red stone
im not gonna run a single grand heist more till they release first bugfix patch
so back to mapping i guess
livid apex
good idea
gentle juniper
Is anyone else clicking on the heist portal by mistake when entering the heist? I wasted 4 heists already. I click to start moving, but always click on the portal and return back to the city .... That's so stupid
livid apex
ye
next epoch
there really should be a warning if you try to leave the heist early, like there is if you try to portal out of lab
pearl fossil
So, I just go the last rogue, so you don't need to do a grand heist
fathom shard
how to get contracts in the end game?
do you have to buy or do they drop while mapping?
brave zinc
How tf am I supposed to level up my dude to get this green contract out of my inventory? Do I just have to run maps in the hope that I get a low level contract? Karst's story contract requires him to have lockpicking 2, but I don't have any contracts at lockpicking 1 to level him up
shell turtle
what are some contract viable build? my creeping frost occulist could not survive the escape
echo mist
hey guys, i cant seem to find a guy with deception, ive litterally run alot of heists without one dude with that skill to show up
bitter ledge
What is counted as a ´reward chest´ for the purpose of the trinkets? Is it just the chests with icons or all the chests in the area?
gentle juniper
How do you get the thiefs above lvl 3? You need to run maps taht require level 3?
main wind
is the planning room still bugged?
valid isle
probably, Pepo
right now im working on just taking everyone to level 2 then to level 3
modest yoke
so somehow when we go 2 in heist 60+ its seems even with phase run those dungs are so long that even with 0 opened chests we get meter to almost full when reaching tresor ?
distant osprey
how do you get companion skills to level 4? all mine are capped at 3?
gentle juniper
the whole alert level needs to go down by a lot 😄
rigid stream
get rouge gear and reroll contracts for - alert mods
you can get -50% alert from gear alone
distant osprey
is the primary skill just the one on top of their list?
also how do you get rogue gear? i havent seen any ytet
modest yoke
this is really not for necros 🙂
gentle juniper
Oh yea, making ARPG where you grind mobs, and then you create league where you don't kill mobs, or you have huge chunk of your player base play summoners, and they just randomly kill everything 😄
gleaming bolt
distant osprey
@gleaming bolt are they just random drops or do they drop from something specific?