Can we exit between wings (Grand Heist) to put items in Stash and back again ?
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maiden coral
How do you get blueprints and trinkets? do they drop in heists?
mellow beacon
Anybody else having issues accessing stash in the heist? Seems like if there's too many people accessing it others can't do it.
brazen pulsar
So who thinks the alarm increasing when you kill guards is a good mechanic and makes complete sense?
I know whenever I'm robbing a house, and somebody sees me and starts yelling, the best thing to do is just keep running around stealing, and not kill them to make them stop sounding the alarm
strong jasper
How do I get the deception guy to help me in heist?
deft escarp
shadow thistle
Everyone knows exalts are in the boxes
finite vortex
I wish the stash would be reachable in the rogue harbour and I didnt get stuck if players surround me
mellow beacon
Yea, same, I also it's making the game really sluggish, in terms of performance, and I have a pretty good setup.
olive glen
How do I crouch in Heist league?
I thought you have to kill all the enemies in the heist
hybrid cosmos
avoid killing them
olive glen
But if you want to get all the chests you have to kill them
they spawn when you get to a chest
hybrid cosmos
most of the time i cant even get 70% of the chests
olive glen
so yes or no is there a way to crouch, aka do a heist stealth mode, like payday 2 stealth or "sneaking" in skyrim.
I was under the assumption there wasn't.
hybrid cosmos
if you dont mind party play you can go to the end price and the other one opens the chests asap
no afaik
vivid magnet
wild arch
@olive glen phase run reduces your visibility
olive glen
What's phase run
Ok I found it in the wiki.
I can't get it until act 6, I"m playing as witch
wild arch
And besides it's impossible to get all the chests
lucid haven
So i dc in first wing in first grand heist without riasing alarm. any way i can get back in?
rigid stream
Its not Impossible to get all the chests
And you certainly dont have to kill all the guards
You can Just Run and Skip some
wild arch
It's easy to get past the patrolling blues
rigid stream
Well some are unavoidable
wild arch
There are white mobs standing next to most chests and doors which can't really be avoided
And patrolling blue mobs with extremely short aggro radius that you can wait to pass
They will legit ignore you as long as you don't directly run into them
rigid stream
The Other guards will alert them though i think
So Killing the Chest guards next to a patroll is Not smart
olive glen
Has devs confirmed it's impossible to get all the chests?
wild arch
Other guards don't alert them
I was killing 2 door guards, the patrol just walked next to them and did nothing
tender flume
I am certain the Devs want you to get greedy and go for maximum chests and die
rigid stream
You can get all chests, There is nothing specifically preventing you
Be more stealthy and equip your rogoues with better gear
verbal crest
how do you reveal more rooms for blueprints? it says talk to npcs but that didnt do anything
verbal crest
oh damn, grand heists are pricy
tender flume
yes
left patio
i'll be honest, i assumed that the alarm continued to rise for as long as i'm in combat, and the idea is to kill the guards you encounter asap. i just figured out that it seems to only go up when you actually kill them. this seems... counterintuitive.
i mean, best case is don't activate them, but if they spot you
then isn't the right play just to... lead them around like a giant conga line of thievery?
prisma epoch
so im in a grand heist, i reached the curios section, but the door cannot be opened
anyone knows why?
mellow beacon
Skill levels?
prisma epoch
when planning the heist, the skill level never mentioned about mismatch of level
on top of that, i saw the button, i click it, nothing happened
woeful nexus
then isn't the right play just to... lead them around like a giant conga line of thievery?
@left patio I’m fairly sure the alarm will continue to rise if they stay aware of you
left patio
i left one guy following me for about 20 seconds and got nothing, but then the follower killed it. so if it does tick up, it's longer than that, i think. that's how i came to the above revelation
pseudo hull
LITERALLY FIX the STASH LOCATION in the HEIST TOWN RIGHT NOW
holy crap this is incredibly annoying
maiden coral
Did 12 heists, no blueprints yet :(
hybrid cosmos
whats the minimum level for blueprints?
vivid agate
hybrid cosmos
i just find them every 3/4 maps
livid pecan
do monsters come infinitely when the alarm is hit
i kept killing a fuckton of yellow monsters in a wave and then i started seeing orange "security specialists"
cloud geyser
how do i get the quest items out of my inventory if their associated heist DCd
sly raptor
Pretty sure there's an open bug on that
sudden juniper
lost 2 heists in a row to bugs 
first one the final item didnt appear, second one the bar wasnt updating at all until it went instantly from 0 to 100
at least i got some fossils 🙂
livid escarp
I get screen freeze or dc about 60% of the time when I exit the heist area
sudden juniper
oh ye the one before those i crashed
harsh bone
How do you equip items on them?
mellow beacon
Cool, I didn't want to use the stash anyway, also the marauder can't get out.
junior skiff
Can you loot stuff w/o increasing alert?
strong jasper
Has anyone gotten the Deception or Thaumaturgy helper?
livid pecan
@silver kettle its still happening btw. another mission contract lost in exactly the same manner. extremely annoying
still coral
seriously how are you supposed to deal with the instagib squads that form up behind doors on escapes?
still coral
I wasn't even in front of the door and somehow their lasers still oneshot me through frostshield
strong jasper
anyone unlocked counter-thaum or deception NPCs?
pseudo hull
where do we give GGG feedback on what to change for the league mechanic?
Incase you guys know how to do it or get to it and I don't, make sure to let them know that when you're selecting the mercenaries for your contract, it really should show their equipment buffs under their name on the card so you know who to select for each heist.
civic yoke
How the fuck do you even make it to the final objective without the alarm going off???
Every single time the alarm goes off and I'm just rushing to get there while being swarmed by guards
past badger
One guess would be reddit @pseudo hull
civic yoke
"Stealth" is impossible in this
pseudo hull
@civic yoke
tender flume
if you are killing ever single guard and opening all the small chests, you'll set off the alarm for sure, unless your rogue has reduced alarm effects
tender flume
the idea is to prioritize the valuable side chests or only get as many of the small chests as you can
have you tried phase run?
civic yoke
Yeah I only loot all the chests along the main path
Using Withering Step right now
Would Phase Run be better
Movement speed isn't really an issue
past badger
The 'stealth' does seem kinda off
civic yoke
It's just impossible to NOT set off the alarm
tender flume
it's very possible
olive glen
Uh, I always set off the alarm. Am I doing something wrong
tender flume
you're just opening too many chests
olive glen
Wait, you're not supposed to get all the chests?
civic yoke
Like I said, I don't open a single chest off of the main path
past badger
But chests are so yummy
civic yoke
I only open the ones in the rooms I have to go through
past badger
Well, they look it at least
tender flume
whenever you mouse over a chest, it will show you how much it will fill the alarm meter by opening it
civic yoke
Also killing guards shouldn't increase alert level imo, because that's dumb. Alert level should increase by guards actively being aware of you while they're alive
Opening chests fills the alarm meter????????????
What the actual fuck lmao
tender flume
...
rigid stream
you get 95% of all chests unless you really aim to make a malding reddit post
if you actively seek out and kill all guards, yes thenn you will not get all chests
but if you dont and just dodge a few, its gonna be fine
civic yoke
Does getting aggro from guards raise alarm? Or only killing them?
rigid stream
killing them
rigid stream
not really
civic yoke
How the hell are guards going to raise alarms if they're dead
rigid stream
magic
civic yoke
Every single stealth game has had it the exact opposite
cloud musk
Did they fix the heist crashes?
tender flume
I'll make sure they get your feedback. Sounds like you have a lot of experience in game development they could benefit from.
Would you like to leave a business contact they could reach you at?
civic yoke
What lmao
past badger
Sarcasm usually doesn't work
tender flume
but sarcasm is so yummy
civic yoke
It's not an opinion that literally every single other stealth game I have ever played has made it where alive guards spotting you is bad and killing them is good
past badger
No, chests are
civic yoke
That's just a straight up fact
tender flume
for somebody who didn't know that chests raise alarm level you're awfully sure of your grasp of facts
pseudo hull
doesn't matter what ur gear and layers are
because ur evasion based
but there's 700 mobs rolling the dice on u
civic yoke
Just because I was ignorant about something doesn't mean that a fact is any less than a fact
fossil lintel
yo i left all my coins in the heist hub area and dont have a way back to there, am i missing something?
past badger
I'm getting me some popcorn...
civic yoke
@fossil lintel nope lol that's just how it works
You can just get the Heist stash in your hideout though
And use the coins from there
pseudo hull
open door in lvl 67 white heist when ur 72 archer with decent gear and stats
get one shot
GGG please
fossil lintel
bro just dodge it
civic yoke
This whole league seems like the difficulty has been scaled up
pseudo hull
just dodge forehead when it's literally bottle necking u
through mobs
looks like it's another melee league
civic yoke
Everyone I know is having way more trouble killing bosses
And dying a lot more while leveling
fossil lintel
kill harder idk im not having any issues with caustic arrow mate
pseudo hull
im ice shot
past badger
GGG are known to make league mechanics hard and nerf it a bit a week later
civic yoke
Yeah lol I know why I'm doing bad
pseudo hull
70k dps atm
civic yoke
Crackling Lance 😢
Sucks that it was "bugged" in the preview trailer and they fixed it before release
past badger
I never try new skills as league starters
civic yoke
Eh it'd be good if it worked with Spell Echo
pearl flax
uhhh is the agility stuff bugged, I keep trying to trigger it to open a door but nothing happens
its got a lever on the other side but karst doesnt pull the lever
rotund pine
yo guys where to get Sigil of Power?
pearl flax
Act 4, after completing the initial quest iirc
rotund pine
thanks!
elfin heron
so what are the 9 different categories of basic heists for? do they differ in some way?
wild arch
Different guards and puzzles
Like the robot heists which are full of stationary guards that do nothing until alarm bots trigger them
elfin heron
ic thanks
also yeah for the robots it it just a radius thing for the alarm bots? i cant really tell
at first i hid in a corner and one didnt see me but later antoher one had like red pulses coming out ofi t
wild arch
There are different ones
elfin heron
that makes sense
is it worth it to run lower level heists? ive accumulated a bunch and im just starting to run my lv 60+ ones
frigid venture
Does conc effect have any effect on blazing salvo's spread like it does with molten strike/firestorm?
valid isle
any word on a patch yet to fix some of the broken skills? XD
craggy cedar
Which broken skills?
valid isle
splitting steel i know of
which uses melee mods, but not melee support gems, because its supposed to be a projectile
wild arch
I got an exalt in a 41 heist that I kept
elfin heron
what in the heist did u get it from?
wild arch
A big generic chest
elfin heron
hmm interesting
humble horizon
what's with heists getting stuck all the time
elfin heron
my npc is just running back and forth instead of opening the door
tepid folio
Yo tell me, the big heists are buggy or else !?
I can't access the last rooms, I clicked once on the lockdown and it disappeared, but the door does not open (I am not on high alert)
crude scarab
why do I have a green contract in my inventory I can't move?
doesn't go into heist or normal stash
somber wigeon
bad connection?
daring karma
It's a special story heist
crude scarab
and I can't ignore it? It just sticks in the way until I do it?
daring karma
Yes
crude scarab
wow, that's super annoying
somber wigeon
Whenever I start enjoying the heist mechanics something stupid happens and I die and drop all my loot and I hate it again.
daring karma
Yes
elfin heron
i just got a green contract too haha
somber wigeon
I think if you fail a green contract you can get it again later
So just fail on purpose if you want to do something else for a while.
sand bone
What is the point of the green contracts?
daring karma
Do the green contracts even give a reward?
somber wigeon
You get loot and new members of the team
harsh bone
Is anyone experiencing crashes during heists ?
lime ferry
how do I find the 'other' heist characters? just keep spamming till they appear?
mellow echo
had 2 Heist instance crashes just now.... is there a known bug for it?
bronze cave
Many people have reported it, but here is no ggg response as far as i know
humble horizon
lots of people mention crashes during heists but I've never hit one, only stuck bugged mechanics
shut trench
I had the game just stop doing anything other than allowing me to open the menu 3 steps from the exit of a heist. Plus random frame drops. Hopefully they're working on it
Is the best strat so far just to ignore the mobs in the heist?
wispy crest
Wait so you do not get heists in maps ? You just get coins ?
shut trench
They can drop
next epoch
you can also use coins to buy heists from the barber dude
wispy crest
I see
lime ferry
I take it to unlock the new guys we need to run the trial heists we get from smuggler cases ?
daring karma
Don't you use currency to buy contracts?
shut trench
As you run heists with people others get introduced.
half magnet
ok grand heists are ridiculous. the alert level timer gets increased insanely fast for such a huge map. can't even finish half the map and boom boom 30 sec to go and failed
I am rushing for chests and locked doors and just killing enemies when necessary am I doing something wrong here?
bronze cave
i had the same experience
unlocking additional wings is a waste because you cant open stuff in there anyway because of the alert level
it likely gets better as your guys are better equipped i assume
shut trench
What they said pre release about the alert timer doesn't match up with how it's implemented. It's very hard to keep it down
even when your not looting
shut trench
I think I might save mine, there will probably be a balance patch this week
half magnet
Thankfully it was only a level 40 grand heist but I can't imagine losing a high level one
especially when if you die you lose it for good 1 try
oh I just realized I blew my whole stash of red markers for this grand heist I lost . amazing xD
shut trench
That sucks, I might just make a speed tank for heists lol
half magnet
EQ THICC JUGGG
lone shore
Is it just me, or during Tunnel Contract you are swarmed by the hundreds of mobs on the escape? And there are few "little sirus" mobs with the red deadly beam? I met them only on the Tunnel and died twice one-shot drom the multiple red beam.
livid pecan
escapes seem extremely overtuned, at least during leveling contracts
lone shore
Avengelol - I DC'ed 3 times already, decided to wait for some fixes or explanations
half magnet
little sirus
lone shore
luckly, not on the Grand Heist - only on contract
burnt vine
any word on if they will fix the crash when you leave?
or have they even acknowledged it
half magnet
i dunno having just 1 portal for this kind of mechanic seems way off the mark in terms of design
based on past league experiences who saw this and thought this is a good idea
mind blowing
lone shore
escapes seem extremely overtuned, at least during leveling contracts
@livid pecan before 40 lvl they seems to be okay-ish, still some stresfull during quest contract, but around 45 they've become really overtune. Maybe it will level on the EndGame, but I hoped for possibility to engage with league mechanic after Harvest (Standard + craft)
livid pecan
yeah, 40ish is when i stopped doing heists
burnt vine
i dont want extra portals, just not having many people reporting crashing with the one mechanic you lose your gear when you crash
daring karma
But it can still crash as soon as you escape
And by doing that you'll eventually run out of heist coins
craggy cedar
I wish that I could toggle off Heist members figthing mode so they can focus doing their job while im baiting those monster away from him/her, but nooo they absolutely need to kill EVERYONE before doing their task.... lol
daring karma
They ignore monsters for me
craggy cedar
Then why arent mine?
rigid stream
Cause they get Hit
daring karma
If they get hit they lose a bit of progress
rigid stream
They dont actively seek Combat, they will prioritise their Actions, aside from Tibs, He will kill the fools First
craggy cedar
No actually not, they arent getting hit mostly because Im baitin all monster towards me, but they dont wanna do their task, even not getting any hits from enemies mostly of heists
But now u reminds me, so Tibbs is absolutely going to kill all enemies he sees? lol
hushed summit
how do you unlock all the guys (like perception)? Do you just keep running heists and eventually they pop up?
rigid stream
Well he isnt as passive as the others
valid isle
yikes, i think im done for now until they are finished with the bugs
like holy crap
i want to enjoy this league, because heist is fun, but its like they didnt even playtest the new content lol
humble wave
anyone else accidentally click on the portal back to harbor right after entering heist and then lose the portal D: just lost a grand heist doing that
hushed summit
yup
hushed summit
now i flame dash first
valid isle
and had issues with the rogue harbor being so full of people you cant get to any interactions
hushed summit
my favorite oversight is when you're at the stash and you get boxed in
valid isle
Yeah, not sure who had the bright idea to make it a town
and then also enabled unit collision
and then to not really instance said new town so there are hundreds of people in it.
and then on the map also let all the actual players have markers so the map is a mess to look at lol
also all the equipment i have found for the rogues thus far need them to be at least level 5 in a skill meaning the items that dropped at like level 30 wont be usable till level 70? <~<
bronze cave
I'm lvl 85 and have 0 thieves at lvl 5
valid isle
like, i love heist, its so cool... but its so unbalanced and buggy that a single day of play-testing would have found almost all of these bugs lol
humble horizon
funny how with all these issues it's still the least problematic league in a long time
bronze cave
im fine with everything but the constant crashes
valid isle
or at least all the major ones, because of how obvious the bugs are
getting stuck on a vault door also sucks
i have been disconnected and lost my heist even though the portal is supposed to stay till alert.
I have found that splitting steel is "melee" even though it has projectile gem support only, making it supremely underpowered
I got stuck behind a vault door opening and been unable to move.
All within 24h xD
night widget
Most annoying thing about league so far is the stash
Why did ggg even make harbor a public instance
Can't access stash after a heist cause people afk in front of it and that breaks it for some reason.
valid isle
agreed
oh also the cost of unveiling things in grand heists
i had a level 19 grand heist
costs 2200 tokens to unveil a wing.
like what lol
lone shore
mine Grand heist for around 50 lvl got a cost of 2200 for unveilig, and 3200 for full info
valid isle
yeah, i have a level 60 one now that costs about 2700
lone shore
and it shows unique item, so maybe replica?
compact vigil
ggg when you gonna make it so more people can access the chest in the rogue harbor
valid isle
they need a lot of QoL for this launch
wintry agate
Anyone knows how often does Whakano's store reset and what is the condition?
night widget
Would be nice to have map button for harbor after accessing it the first time. Keeping the 1 marker entry after the first doesn't do anything really but bother the player
fallow veldt
Is level 3 the max in a job ?
verbal crest
has anyone figured out how to avoid the risk of getting 1 shot on escape when you have to go through a doorway where they fire a bunch of shit at you right as you walk through, especially on a melee character? I tried just jumping over them but I cant leap slam before they have a chance to shoot
verbal crest
interesting idea, thanks
night widget
this is why I like tibbs
verbal crest
well
sometimes
on the ones where he busts through walls its great
on the one he blows them up you have the same problem
night widget
Guess I wouldn't notice either way cause toxic rain
summer cove
How does the alert level work exactly? sometimes it rises just for fighting the enemy and sometimes it doesn't rise no matter how much fighting i do
verbal crest
it always raises when killing things and looting things, some bars just seem to be bigger than others, I guess depending on how big the hideout is
summer cove
is there anything i can do about it to get as much loot as possible without failing the main objective?
night widget
There's also modifiers that affect alert level
Dragging out fights is usually only reason I have to skip a lot of regular chests
verbal crest
2 things I have worked out is if you want both "special rooms" you cant loot any of the basic chests pretty much and you need to prep the final room because the 2nd special room will trigger the alarm. If you only want one special room you can loot most of the basic chests
summer cove
there are 2 special rooms?
verbal crest
and by special rooms I mean the ones that have the league modified chests
most have 2 special rooms and then the main objective room
summer cove
Oh i thought special room meant the main objective room
does the alert level rise if i run through the mobs without killing them?
verbal crest
no
you can skip some mobs but they will group up on you after chasing you when you have to stop to open a door with your companion
so some is unavoidable
sometimes I will just leap slam around juggling them if I am short on alarm progress left
as long as they arent shooting my companion
valid isle
its better to just get the basic chests too, unless the big chests are currency ones
verbal crest
eh, I still do like fossils and delirium chests as well
valid isle
delirium is okay, the fossils i find kinda meh
bronze cave
so the best build for this is a taunt on hit, 0 dps ultra tanky build
verbal crest
I suppose, assuming you can survive getting out
it will be hard to escape without killing anythign
summer cove
storm burst would've been great for this
ignore everything going in, kill the grouped up enemies on the way out
warm lodge
i dont get what markers do outside of making a portal
eager terrace
pay for contracts
especially grand heists
but even regular contracts cost markers to stamp
civic wyvern
Do you have to unlock all wings for the league uniques to be a reward or just grand heist in general?
viral robin
Hello there
What's the best trick for the moment to unlock all the member?
Got only 6 of 9 atm
Can I do it by doing contracts or it's rng based (drops)?
verbal crest
ug the NPC contracts are just the worst, sit in your inventory and you dont even get any marks back from completing them
tender geyser
new belt I just got, the contraption taunts once and that's it, can't move fairly weak, it's kinda like a totem except automated and on about 3 secs of cooldown
wispy minnow
General question: has anyone here gotten a blueprint drop while running a heist contract?
you can react accordingly ^
follow up: if you have, I would appreciate knowing around what level area it was
warm lodge
lol i can't ever reach the stash in rogue harbor
unreal orchid
I only found a blueprint in a regular area, somewhere in the mid 40s
fallen lance
can anyone else not level their rogues past 3 in any skill
next epoch
@warm lodge player interaction 🤣
wispy minnow
Yeah, I'm wondering about dropping within a contract itself
wanton rivet
yeah the stash getting blocked is so annoying ughh
peak terrace
modern day pvp
valid isle
i realize that if you store your coins in the rogue harbor storage
the heist storage, rather
you cant get back to them until you get another drop of heist tokens lol
i hope they hotfix this stuff real fast lol
rigid stream
You can
next epoch
I still don't understand why they didn't make rogue harbour a normal location with a waypoint
it's not like that one token is a meaningful cost or anything
livid pecan
they said in the leadup to the league that you could run league content (heists) from inside maps, delve, etc.
rigid stream
In your HO you have acess to your heist stash
livid pecan
that isnt even true, you have to be in town or hideout to get to rogue harbor
so why expect them to follow what they said pre-league?
rigid stream
Thats Not what they Said
livid pecan
yes it is
pure karma
i'm assuming blueprints are rare drops?
did a contract with ghianna that said she drops a blue print and end of the heist, but never saw it drop
civic wyvern
Where do league uniques drop? Grand heists? If so do you have to unlock all wings before you run it?
mild pine
Is there a way to get more grand heist blueprints? I've gotten one and I've gone through campaign and done a dozen maps.
spiral cipher
the league mechanic is really overtuned early
subtle vortex
the fact that we drop shit when we die in a heist
just makes it the most waste of time shit ever
rigid stream
Dont die?
subtle vortex
dumb af reply to that
woeful halo
No really, that's it. Don't die
subtle vortex
some mobs oneshot you the second the door opens
woeful halo
Tell them no
frigid reef
So am I just not supposed to be able to do heists because I chose minions? Is this real life
subtle vortex
if I wanted to lose shit when i die
i'd play hardcore
and we just have to wait
for them to open doors
40 times in 1 heist
civic wyvern
@frigid reef ? Im a minion build and heists are fine
frigid reef
@civic wyvern I failed at least half of mine, minions killing everything spiking my alert to max
subtle vortex
idk why they made killing guards increase alert level
i get to 100% alert just by walking through a heist before im even at the final room
woeful halo
Are you killing the large patrol groups?
frigid reef
According to GGG it wasnt supposed to have a big impact, yet some people who use minions now cant do them because well they murder everything
dreamy pike
Is there a certain way to get around door guards without killing them? They just stand there and never move to sneak around em
subtle vortex
i have to because if I dont they kill me
woeful halo
You should be able to avoid the large groups
subtle vortex
no they aggro the second you enter
im just going to wait until they fix the league
cya in a week or two
frigid reef
Again, people with minions really have no choice. I'd have to dismiss everything and rush through and try and summon after
eager terrace
the way alert is accumulated currently is just kind of dumb
you are totally fine to aggro a ton of mobs so long as you don't actually kill them
minor estuary
anyone know if smugglers boxes (caches?) appear in maps? I'm about 30 maps deep and haven't seen one
torpid sonnet
spiral cipher
yeah make your buiilds tankier
its frusterating as shit that its so punishing in the early game
frail kayak
"tankier" yeah right
frigid reef
Yeah it sucks early unless you have good drops. I was doing good early with zombies/skeletons but then I realized I am failing because I am using minions
frail kayak
I'm level 68, blasted through aque farm solo no problem, almost 3k life, maxed res, high dodge and evasion, ed trickster so good regen....got one shot in a level 53 story heist
like theres a certain point where we just admit heist mobs are overtuned
frigid reef
Nah, GGG tests their league mechanics extremely thoroughly /s
frail kayak
And now I have a poison vial stuck in my bags 🙂
still coral
great, can't open the door at the end of a grand heist. It doesn't have any interact option and V does nothing
spiral cipher
like nah its probably overtuned on purpose early
valid isle
yeah, heist is way overtuned
spiral cipher
to give people a taste of failure
spiral cipher
im at 2k (Shattering mind you so tooldtip is a big fucking lie.) at 39 and still struggling
frigid reef
I am just blown away that I am playing an ARPG and I am being punished for killing things
spiral cipher
your not
wary kernel
If a party does a Grand Heist, do all people pick up the Relica items?
spiral cipher
your being punished for killing weak things
wary kernel
Or only 1 guy
lament sinew
I can't do grand heist they all ask for too many bandit that i don't have should i go farm low level map to drop low level grand heist?
frail kayak
level 53 heist mobs literally harder than act 6-8 bosses for my build
frigid reef
Well, if someone can program my minions to not do that, it would be cool
spiral cipher
ok
they literally said
"We can't design every league around minions."
at the start
you got to ruin blight/legion
valid isle
its buggy though
spiral cipher
take your turn in the suck
frigid reef
"So we designed one that punishes minions heavily"
valid isle
and we all know it
frigid reef
"We are deeply sorry you cannot play our league mechanic, come back in 3 months" - Love GGG
spiral cipher
I can be real toxic if you wanna start getting toxic
undone island
how am i supposed the play the league mechanic if it crashes every single time...?
valid isle
where currently those using minions are basically getting insta-alterted half way in
lament sinew
Oh well for me everything's working fine just can't do grand heist cause i didn't drop low level one
frigid reef
^
valid isle
but there are worse issue that minion builds not working
like the fact that there is unit collision and a shared map for the rogue staging area
meaning you cant get to your stash lol
valid isle
or if you do windowless fullscreen, the buttons are not actually located where they visually display they are
frigid reef
I dunno, me not being able to complete heists seems worse over an occasional inconvenience
valid isle
so you need to click about 15% left and up of where the button is to click the button
lol
its not occasional, Xav
the port is so busy for me that i cant access half the npcs
frigid reef
I have literally not had a collusion instance once
valid isle
lucky you lol, last one i was in had like 150~ people in there
crimson kite
heist mechanic sure is pretty shit balanced like usual
when you get 1shot in level 50heists with 5k hp
or you get random disconnects and lose 20c
frigid reef
Dude, no.
I think you do not understand. My minions kill everything it spikes to full alert before I get anywhere near the end
spiral cipher
@crimson kite agreed but im pretty sure thats to get people used to dying
still coral
or you get to the last door and it just doesn't let you open it
spiral cipher
so xavion
frigid reef
Literally look at reddit or the forums
spiral cipher
that's a lie
heist are literally designed so you can kill everything
and not reach full alert
eager terrace
lol no they aren't
lament sinew
I have none of those problem so it's all good 🙂
spiral cipher
they are
frigid reef
YES and its NOT working that way for minions for most people
eager terrace
especially in grand heists this is not anywhere near possible
frigid reef
Is GGG paying you to defend their design? or what
valid isle
also disconnects making you lose all your items is pretty trash
eager terrace
if you get a mecha grand heist you will full alert within 2 rooms
killing everything
frail kayak
to be clear: are you not opening any chests? not the small ones or the "big ones"?
bitter ledge
also disconnects making you lose all your items is pretty trash
This is actually my biggest worry. I haven't had it happen so far, but I really worry that this might happen
frigid reef
It's been discussed by many people playing minions
spiral cipher
you can come back in heist with @bitter ledge its a non issue
the only fail condition is alert+forced otu of itannce
crimson kite
oh wow
again
game just closed
how can they release something in such a buggy state
spiral cipher
need i remind you path of 2 ascendancies meme?
valid isle
Well, yes and no, Bluey
spiral cipher
waaaah
bitter ledge
A disconnect destroys the current instance of the Heist, whereas dying doesn't.
valid isle
that is the only fail condition
spiral cipher
something bad happened to necro
valid isle
but since leaving atm or being d/ced removes the heist instance
spiral cipher
of course the vocal minority is gonna be pissed and exaggerate when something doesn't favor them
crimson kite
make it so dc doesn't remove it
frigid reef
You are such a toxic true Blue. Holy
spiral cipher
I mean
frigid reef
troll*
valid isle
any death or anything going in makes it so you lose the instance
Bluey just likes to defend GGG's bad planning or lack of QA for league release.
frigid reef
God forbid people want to play a build and because GGG messed up we literally cant
valid isle
its nothing new lol
frigid reef
Yeah I will just block the troll
crimson kite
I was mapping for 6 hours straight 0 problems
frigid reef
Should be better now
valid isle
there are lots of bugs though
bitter ledge
I feel like the league's design is good, but the implementation could be improved.
valid isle
this is probably the most buggy release i have seen from GGG
spiral cipher
11% necromancers man this league is bad for necro
eager terrace
what does the ladder have to do with anything
if you were leveling fast you aren't even fucking with heist much anyway
frigid reef
Dude is like level 40
frail kayak
the bottom line is there are gltiches affecting everyone right now that need to be fixed, doesn't matter who has it worse. If the game is unplayable for anyone, they need to address it immediately.
lament sinew
Not me Flowbie
kindred dagger
Sharing this with you guys, as i didnt see anyone talking about optimising for now https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/iw1so7/tricks_to_get_the_max_loot_out_of_heist/
valid isle
yeah, was gonna say
spiral cipher
its really hard to optomize heist @kindred dagger as you can easily get punished for trying.
spiral cipher
And that's fair
kindred dagger
@spiral cipher i found some tricks so i share them
valid isle
also, wasnt harvest supposed to go to main?
spiral cipher
its fine
valid isle
or did they decide to drop harvest lol
next epoch
@valid isle no, it wasn't
spiral cipher
since people are currently complaining about being punished
kindred dagger
@spiral cipher not much with my method
valid isle
i mean, people are being punished for doing the league content because its heavily overtuned and buggy.
very buggy lol
kindred dagger
yeah unless there are bug or so of course but thats for everything, actualy i have found a good way to take the max out of a heist
valid isle
also, im sick of those unique heist mobs showing up, i had the backbreaker appear 8 times in a single heist XD
civic wyvern
@frigid reef im doing them fine, haven't failed because of the alert bar being full. I've only failed because of getting randomly 1 shot lol.
what summon you using?
frigid reef
It seems mixed, some people like me are failing most because its maxing it, and others are having no issues
Zombies/Golem atm
civic wyvern
killing stuff shouldnt max (or get near) maxing the alert bar
eager terrace
well I feel like
if you are fighting but not killing the guard quickly
it should raise alert
frigid reef
No, this is with zero boxes
eager terrace
like you get X alert after Y seconds and every Z seconds after
when you aggro a target
civic wyvern
sounds impossible tbh
unless somethign is bugged, running to the end even mindlessly killing everything wont get you to max
frigid reef
Yeah it is
modest yoke
Do you folks also have crashing of game in Heist ? like i run a Boom Poe client will close itself with no message 😮
valid isle
like im not too worried, the bugs will get fixed
frigid reef
I found others on the main reddit posts who cannot do it either as necro
valid isle
but some of these bugs should have been found in test
civic wyvern
not sure, im not having an issue with spectres/zombie/golems/skeles
spiral cipher
@eager terrace I agree on that one
kindred dagger
im a necro for now and i can do heist, whats your problem ?
civic wyvern
I dont even get to half way on the alert bar usually unless I grab boxes on the way
frigid reef
For whatever reason, 1 out of like every 3 runs. My minions killing guards is spiking the meter
to full
eager terrace
the issue you're going to have as necro is that not all layouts are equal
civic wyvern
if you do certain mission, you have to wait for the guards to walk out of sight
eager terrace
you aren't supposed to engage the mech floors nearly as much
modest yoke
meat shield
civic wyvern
perception for example
modest yoke
if have problems 😮
eager terrace
like I do not think a mech grand heist is doable properly as necro
valid isle
i think it depends on the map
civic wyvern
dont run , wait for the guards with the eye icon pass
valid isle
some maps fill so fast just from killing mooks
other maps, i can open every chest and kill everything and its only 80% full
kindred dagger
@frigid reef weird, seems its a bit weird yeah i got some heavy filling bar as well but unless i dont do anything abusing i can easily go to the artefact
frigid reef
I will try and record some runs later when I have time to show you.
Map is irrelevant its happening on one and then it doesnt next time on same one
bitter ledge
Just an FYI, some of the maps do have 'alert triggers'. For instance, there is one map with those floating robots that create those red circles that raise the alert level.
kindred dagger
yeah, i had other bug like DC, but nothing that look like a too unreasonably bar filling, so if you think its a bug better record it and posting on reddit taging GGG
verbal crest
btw, you guys do know you can see how much each chest will progress the alarm bar by hovering over them and the progress will glow red on it. Useful for seeing if you can fit in that last chest
spiral cipher
the guards would aggro by the time you got close enough for zombeis to fight
it doesn't make snese
civic wyvern
For league specific items, they are grand heist only right?
civic wyvern
And do you have to unlock all wings to get a chance for them to drop?
modest yoke
Fourth Heis in row, game just crash in middle of it :/
eager terrace
I don't think so
civic wyvern
or is it worth it to spend like 5k coins to unlock the wings?
buoyant pilot
does anyone know whether GGG said something about the crash happening during heists for some people?
eager terrace
like the reward in the case should be on the blueprint
at the top
you should be able to see that regardless of what you reveal
civic wyvern
so it will say league specific unique?
I have two that say unusual gem, does that mean I could get alt quality gem?
eager terrace
yeah I think those are the alt qualities
sleek dew
one of my heist guys is at max xp agility but won't get up to 3, how can i lvl him up to 3?
eager terrace
GGG posted all of the alt qualities didn't they
kindred dagger
im stuck body block near the stash... lol who the fuck thought it was a good idea to share the area !!!
actualy its fun and lively but cmon that was obviously hapen
spiral cipher
my only issue with heist is ggg keeps making the issue of sorrounding rares with other mobs which sort of makes them less scary then magic
valid isle
really? you are not getting like 20 rares each with aura buffs in your heists?
i get more rares than magics in my heists it looks like lol
civic wyvern
There is no way to search for alt quality gems on the trade sites are there? I can't find the mods on the offical site
eager terrace
sleek dew
anyone have this problem? xp is maxed but he won't lvl up^
fallow veldt
How can I report a game breaking bug (Heist) to GGG ?
kindred dagger
ah, i found it weird as well
young knoll
are you guys crushing often huring heists only?
kindred dagger
a bit less for now but yesterday yes
young knoll
a crushed during 1 of the green heist missions and then lost it
does it drop again or?
kindred dagger
i lost some too, but so far i didnt had trouble upping and unlocking char so i guess yes, its just boring
DC asides you could just die and fail mission, so i guess its part of the game that those special mission drop again anyway
young knoll
it was during my green mission
my game didnt crush, it just froze
although i could move my curso
and still see my animations
subtle vortex
Heists giving you a single attempt is dumb af.
livid apex
You can re-enter if you haven’t tripped the alarm yet
primal whale
It does.
valid isle
well, any time i go out, the portal vanishes, even if it was an accidental click right when i zoned in
so id assume it does not
primal whale
Thats how its supposed to work
They even seal the exit once you leave
otherwise you could loot everything, bring it to safety and loot everything again
valid isle
given how GGG described it
primal whale
if you die during a heist without alarm triggered you may enter again
valid isle
right, thats not the case currently
valid isle
if you leave in any way shape or form, such as a d/c
or a death
the portal vanishes
even pre-alarm
primal whale
Nope. Stop spreading false information.
valid isle
so if i video it happening
subtle vortex
but what is this forced mediumcore shit for
valid isle
will you eat a hat?
because ill happily record it for you
because there are whole forum threads about it
and its happened a dozen times to me thanks to frequent d/cs
primal whale
No, but I'll advise you to fill out a bug report in that case
valid isle
there are many bug reports about it already
subtle vortex
I wish the leagues were shorter so if they had one I wasn't interested in I wouldn't have to wait 3 months
valid isle
so perhaps the false information being spread is by you and needs to stop, yeah? 😉
primal whale
Then just wait till they fix it
valid isle
We are. You just shouldnt post that its working right when its not. Wouldn't want people being confused and thinking that its working as intended.
primal whale
Its working perfectly fine for me.
valid isle
go in, alt f-4 out, see if your portal still exists
valid isle
its probably an instance problem then, and more often than not, it crashes and you just lucked out
or its just a me problem and i have enough accounts to create a very long forum thread lol
lofty wave
so i was reading a thread about the raising of alert level in a heist from killing mobs
spotted this comment that should be implemented.
"I think the alert level should be tied to the amount of time they're aggro'd to you. If they're looking at you, the alter level goes up. If you kill them instantly, they won't raise the alert level very much."
i agree wholeheartedly.
it's a neat solution
verbal crest
I wish you could sell contracts for markers
willow marten
It’s a weird situation when you have to not open chests because you full screen clear a pack patrolling. Not a huge fan of this mechanic.
verbal crest
This league is arguably more skill based and thought based than most people like, but some will love it. Def a love or hate league for the majority of players
rigid stream
if they were based on the ammount of time they are aggrod they can as well remove the alert
people instantkill everything
verbal crest
thats why I say its skill based. There is skill in juggling enemies and dragging them around for max loot without killing them
people who do it will get more loot
people who dont will get less
willow marten
That’s not really skill based
rigid stream
it is
rigid stream
if you are a dumdum and aggressivelly run around and kill stuff you get punished
if you tone it back a little you are fine
that corridor with no chest in it? dont go into it and kill all the mobs
that patroll is going out of your way? dont chase and kill it
valid isle
i didnt notice this btw
till just now
but whats with the box in your inventory near the potion slots?
verbal crest
its the same set of skills that you have to use to do high tier GRs in D3. You cant just sit there and kill things, you have to drag them, plan ahead, utilize the map, ect
valid isle
has a... bracelet symbol?
willow marten
There is some skill in running to the objective while your assistant is cracking a chest that would otherwise over alert your mission but it’s pretty small skill imo
verbal crest
planning is a big thing too. You can get 2 extra chests by thinking ahead an unlocking all the doors between you and the objective and then triggering them alarm , loot a few more chests and run to the objective with seconds left. If you dont set up, you either sacrifice loot or fail the heist
rigid stream
Did you know that different guards have different allert amount?
patrols give 20 times the alert of a chest guard
valid isle
different allies also have different features
the current GH im running, i have -8% alert, -10% alert, and -25% alert from opening chests
verbal crest
ya, I think people will be less annoyed by the whole thing once they get their companions to a point where they can equip them. Lots of customizability to make things easier for you
valid isle
so even opening big chests only raises the alert by like 15% of the bar
equipping seems hard atm
all the gear i have found requires level 4 or 5
and i only have people at skill level 2
willow marten
Same
valid isle
this is what stacking alert reducers does though
look how small of an increase for a big chest lol
some crazy items too
one gains a power, end, or frenzy charge every 6s
one converts 100% of physical damage to a random ele
and one has an implicit of "prefixies can not be changed"
so i assume that means chaosing the item still keeps its prefixes
verbal crest
I like how some of the items are useless though, just like d3 companions, items that give them damage, like you are never going to use that
valid isle
yeah, i found an item with +physical, + all 3 elemental, chance to bleed, chance to poison lol
barren crescent
What am I doing wrong, I've not gotten a single blueprint so far
lvl 82, done quite a few contracts
verbal crest
just unlucky
valid isle
yeah, im super confused as to what its for
i dont remember when it showed up
but it was recent
sage tendon
are you ffin kidding me 😦 second time i got good loot and i crashed as soon as i left grand heist :(:(
wintry pier
@valid isle if you mean window left of flasks, its new item slot for heist trinkets
valid isle
ahh, cool
wintry pier
i got mine when i did my second grand heist, same icon on map like recipes have, was in final room. During that heist final rewards were either currency or new trinket( multiple options)
pseudo hull
is GGG ever going to figure out
that not everyone wants to play melee block builds
every league it's the same thing you either play 20k es build, melee block build
or u get one shot by everything
doesn't matter how many defensive layers u got on your ranger ur gunna just die
pine zealot
So I died or dc'd a bunch on the green 'quest' contracts. I'm in maps and most of the contracts I'm getting I'm unable to run because I either haven't found the corresponding type (like deception) or I am stuck at level 1 on a thief who needs level 2, but that type of skill wont drop level 1s. I went back to early content to try and get some more to drop, but I wasn't able to find a single green contract to help me unlock the thieves. What am I supposed to do here?
pseudo hull
stone golem, elusive, phase acrobatics, quartz flask, basalt flask, vaal grace, CWDT immortal call
open vault door trying to leave heist
instantly die
rigid stream
spotted your mistale
you used immortal call
very bad choice
use steelskin instead
pseudo hull
as a ranger?
rigid stream
yes
rigid stream
1200? 1800?
pseudo hull
which u can't do with CWDT setup
rigid stream
you can
pseudo hull
and ranger no strength clas
what level does ur CWDT have to be to get a 1200 steelskin
rigid stream
your starter class means nothing to your stats
pseudo hull
12? so u gotta take like half your life?
wintry pier
@pine zealot there is one guy in heist lobby who sells maps, might find maps there you can run and lvl other party members
pseudo hull
before it activates?
rigid stream
if you know you take a lot of dmg, you can use it
4 seconds i think? 6 with inc duration?
pseudo hull
immortal call is 25% damage reduction
that seems like more value than a 1200 steelskin
pine zealot
@wintry pier oh wow thank you
pseudo hull
are there other layers missing that i didnt' mention?
rigid stream
for like 1 second cause no endurance charges
pseudo hull
ahhh
okay well i'll switch to steelskin then
then someone else also said to go freedom of movement annointment
but really dont knopw what else to do it's really not very fun to just lose 20% of your contracts that are 5 levels below u
because u open a door and instantly die
rigid stream
bow?
pseudo hull
yes
rigid stream
you can use flesh and stone
in stone stance
thats 10%? less dmg taken and stuff in range is blinded
pseudo hull
should i CWDT that
sand bone
What are enchanted armaments? Gear with lab enchants?
pseudo hull
ok well i'll try that then thanks!
rigid stream
also jade flask
with 100% increased evasion rating suffix
that gives you an extra 10k evasion rating
or more
weapons with heist enchants
verbal crest
Dude Huck is the most Pepega shit ever
there is something wrong with his AI specifically
sleek goblet
what does the vial of poison do
one of the rogue gave it to me but idk what to do with it
sleek goblet
ight cool thanks
elfin heron
what mission do irun to unlock the deception agent
valid thunder
is there any plans to make the Heist location non-multiplayer, kinda bored of not being able to access the stash..... ?
honest ivy
is it sad that i'm just ignoring the actual heist target for the bonus chests rn i mean i'm still low level but
verbal crest
I kinda want to try out a replica loreweave on this build....
upbeat niche
wanna try my replica hh? 🙂
verbal crest
nah
The crit, phys dmg, and huge life roll is just so tempting
especially on a non-rare chest
but losing 12% max res is monkaS
jovial drum
so is there a strategy for getting out of a grand heist alive? I've 100 to zeroed like 4 times now on the way out
rigid stream
And you are unaffectes by -max Map mods and -res curses
Sounds Like a minor drawback compared to the Juicy stats
wintry pier
i like new void skill in heist runs, mostly just for cc.
verbal crest
@rigid stream 9%, I math bad
ruby swan
You can buy them from the guy next to the fence
verbal crest
before and after replica loreweave
so i got about 13k dmg, 400+ health, and 11% crit chance in exchange for -9% max ele res
I think im happy with that
sturdy fulcrum
they need to move the stash in the heist area. its dogshit placement. make players phase through one another or dont have it there.
verbal crest
can you go back to rogue harbor between zones in a grand heist to drop off loot?
verbal crest
@valid isle btw, figured it out
devout osprey
openeing chests gives more to alert level
cedar plover
anyone worked out how to do the tibbs pile of wealth thing
cursive widget
@devout osprey killing mobs does too I think
devout osprey
yes but not as much as openeing chests is what im trying to say
devout osprey
correct
compact vigil
so wtf is with the off screen snipes in heists, is there any way to avoid them?
compact vigil
i would think fusings
signal plaza
Hello is summoner a bad choice for this leauge mechanic?
verbal crest
ish
visual rover
I failed my trail run and got killed,how do i get back to try again?
granite perch
the heist guys dont seem to lvl up to lvl 3, they just get stuck on lvl 2 max xp
signal plaza
Really I was reading that some folks were having issues not killing fast enough for the leauge mechanic
verbal crest
btw, if you are using Tibbs on a heist and you have a room with 2 league chests, he can unlock BOTH of them AFTER the alarm triggers. Just a tip. Just leave it until after the alarm
I guess the 1 room counts as 1 chest
devout osprey
i could only force open 1 with him, but he was very low level so that might be it
verbal crest
its only 2 in league chest rooms with 2 chests
otherwise he can only open 1
its a very specific situation
devout osprey
so its room based
devout osprey
stand in queue
stoic sparrow
im getting tilted over this
barren ingot
sure is nice the contract vendor refreshes every heist
valid isle
yeah, though the heists he sells are a few levels above your current level
which is fine early, but super deadly late game lol
distant condor
Is anyone having a glitch where you try to open the door on t last room and your helper just doesn’t do his task ?
Or it just me
cedar plover
is it the tibbs one? - i cant get that one to finish either
distant condor
Mostly tibbs
verbal crest
if you run out of range for it it usually gives you the prompt again
distant condor
Had to quit 3 heists cause he just wouldn’t use brute force
Even though I killed all the mobs in the area
granite perch
uhm fix plz
valid isle
build your own sword? lol
wanton rivet
lmao nice
vivid crag
when do you get someone with deception? doing level 7x heists and no deception person yet lol
gilded scarab
I think you have to do one with huck to get niles, at least thats what it seemed liked
cosmic orchid
kinda worried about doing a grand heist, I had an empty alert bar in a normal heist and it immediately went from empty to full, and I'm not sure exactly what happened
has anyone else had that happen?
visual glitch possibly?
verbal crest
it will only go from empty to full if you loot the target item at the end
though
now that you mention it
I did have one heist where the bar did not fill as I went
so that could have been a bug
cosmic orchid
yeah, it was going up and down, and I thought it might have been some mod on the heist that I didn't read
iron kiln
I swear about only about 1/5 of my heists actually work
either disconnects or just not being able to open doors
mighty meteor
trying to figure out how to equip the heist member equipments. been getting pieces all the way from level 4
disabled? enabled? quest objective? endgame? anyone knows?
somber bison
What's considered the secret reward room for Tullina?
languid path
any chest that needs to be opened the npc ability
they are behind doors that are also needed to be opened by an npc
and increase alert lvl quite a bit
valid isle
i really dislike the mechanical area for heist
those mobs that die then their corpses explode are overkill lethal lol
sonic glen
I'm at maybe 50% success rate of heist due to crashes, is this typical?
minor estuary
How does Gianna's reveal work? Is it just a random reveal on a random blueprint?
sonic glen
Well, it's certainly pretty
hallow knoll
yep it happened to me twice. on grand heists too
sonic glen
...okay seriously, why is the portal to ruin your heist immediately upon zoning in even there, let alone taking up half of the screen as clickable
lean lark
is it possible to search for alternate quality gems on trade?
nvm found it
follow up question though, do the gems show that they're alternate quality even if they have zero quality? or will they always drop with at least 1 quality?
crude scarab
I've run a handful of heists, but mostly working on my maps - do I really need thousands of markers? Do costs ramp pretty hard?
rocky nebula
@verbal crest What' ilvl is that Paradoxica?
I kinda feel like it's worse than a regular one because it doesn't guarantee double damage
But 6 veiled mods could make it better
sharp iron
Replica Paradoxica and Replica Shroud of the Lightless have the same vibes to them and I love it. I seriously love these replica uniques' flavor so much.
gray cosmos
I have characters that just fail to open doors or do their tasks. Any ideas? Just before I had a demo heist and I was escaping and the companion wouldn't open the door. I ran back about 20 times but he just refused to do it
Seems to be happening every few heists :/
Anyone else experience something similar?
