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#1┃mirage-league
wild arch
grim parrot
mostly poebuilds.cc and youtube
on y outube the guides are 6+ months old so not quite reliable
wild arch
Going by that logic none of them are viable
Cause we don't even know what changed yet
You can wait a few hours for the balance manifesto
And follow any harvest guide that's not being nerfed
grim parrot
but theyre 6 months old, thats pre delirium
wild arch
First result I found
grim parrot
yeah no that website is forbidden here
grim parrot
exactly 
grim parrot
ive played ed contagion quite a few times
its pretty good but gets boring as shit when your first upgrade is either a 3ex cane of unravelling or a 5ex metacrafted bow
dont even want to bother with a low life version since juggling resists and attributes and mana reserve is god awful
wild arch
Caged god cyclone 
grim parrot
caged god?
wild arch
wild arch
Just go champion and stack str
grim parrot
thats not league starter friendly is it 
honestly melee isnt worth starting unless you can make 50ex in the first week
wild arch
Just make a fortune bleaching triads in the first week
grim parrot
no clue waht that is
wild arch
Back when they came out I bleached them at the temple 4 times in a row and sold each for 8ex
grim parrot
double corrupt you mean?
wild arch
White sockets
grim parrot
how do you do that with the temple tho
wild arch
One of the outcomes
grim parrot
ah i see
gambling is not my thing im not a lucky person, id rather sell my double corrupt for 2ex guaranteed lmao
wild arch
Corrupting at the temple can:
- double corrupt
- turn all sockets white
- brick the item into a random rare
- destroy the item
Non white gloves are dirt cheap
The only thing you lose is time if you fail
timid geyser
tbh PotCG is more league start friendly than you'd expect. With that said I wouldn't league start personally.
grim parrot
i mean if you brick it you lose guaranteed 2ex
i str stacking really something thats easy to do early?
grim parrot
it seems pretty janky and not tried and true though, so imma just stick with whats easy
already had to reroll second day of the league in 2 or 3 separate leagues
felt bad
timid geyser
I mean passive tree alone gets you like ~600 str
rare rose
It seems like the hype for alt quality skill gems is lower than I would think. Is that just because they can't be reliably obtained outside of trade?
wild arch
I think it's mostly cause they showed off only a few out of 900
velvet palm
I agree with the above
wild arch
Hard to be hyped when they don't show anything
peak terrace
also because they are not that insane of a change or are rhey build defining
they sorta change parts about the build but not the way the skill works or support works from what weve seen
wild arch
The chaos conversion on flameblast is
unreal orchid
I don't think anyone has figured out a build for that yet though
as in a build that's actually significantly stronger than a fire flameblast
stacking poison duration to the point that flameblast poison is better than ignite is possible but still kinda...
rare rose
Blade Vortex 2% leech seems great... but will you be able to use these gems with vaal skills at all?
wild arch
Nope
You get the alt quality on base gems only
If you corrupt an alt into vaal then the vaal version will still have the basic quality
rare rose
really feels like there should have been an altar that you place an existing gem into and it randomly rolls an alternate quality mod
or a 1 time use currency like lab enchant thing
Why would anyone using BV not want Vaal BV?
bronze cave
the non vaal version of the skill from the Vaal gem still has the alternate quality
so you dont have to choose
So if you corrupt an alternate quality BV gem, you will have alternate quality normal BV and regular quality vaal BV from that gem
@rare rose
rare rose
oh okay, that makes sense then! thanks
devout osprey
violet nymph
where is it
devout osprey
last post in there
violet nymph
thats 3.11.2
devout osprey
oh you mean heist patchnotes
silver kettle
patch notes will be tomorrow. usually posted in the afternoon NZ time.
violet nymph
okay thx! 🙂
silver kettle
today is the balance manifesto, which will have some of the same content with more explanation than the patch notes can provide
native sonnet
rip glancing blow
violet nymph
sounds lit, the balance manifesto is coming out in a few hours then I assume?
devout osprey
ye
rare rose
I predict very few nerfs. They know going from Harvest back to Vanilla+Heist is going to make gearing up feel bad. I'd be surprised if they throw any aggressive nerfs at us. We'll see soon.
violet nymph
Mistress of sacrifice is getting bonked
We know necro is getting nerfed, bex confirmed it
final iris
Is it true that Discharge is getting massively buffed?
violet nymph
And the thing that's broken right now woth necro is bone offering/mistress of sacrifice/glancing blows
Yes
final iris
Like 3x damage if self cast?
violet nymph
Yes, with a cooldown
final iris
That's incredible
violet nymph
Who knows how long
violet nymph
Can you confirm cd viper lol
silver kettle
I cannot
final iris
I have a jousis-inspired guy that does a many charges discharge
It did ok damage as occasional burst
silver kettle
patch notes will 🙂
final iris
Now it'll do good damage as occasional boss burst
violet nymph
I imagine balance manifesto will too
silver kettle
it will not
violet nymph
Wtf
devout osprey
manifesto doesnt say numbers
violet nymph
Well depending on how long the cooldown is, second wind might be a proper link
silver kettle
eh manifesto often has numbers
violet nymph
If there's a second wind alt quality with more damage discharge is gonna use it lol
silver kettle
but discharge isn't in the manifesto. it would just be the same text as in that thread I linked
final iris
Yay it is true
Well my build might shine after all
Badge of the brotherhood plus farruls fur = always full charges (Fre + pow)
violet nymph
Void battery/redblade banner, firing frenzy
final iris
Nah, two batteries
violet nymph
Redblade banner lets you get full end charges every cry
final iris
Void battery gives much more damage tho
And I can just cry every once in a while
Also I can use the jousis approved trick
To weapon swap into shimmerons for mega discharge damage
Redblade banner lets you get full end charges every cry
@violet nymph also since I'm not slayer my cap is only 3 end charges
native sonnet
badge is gonna be interesting if the price resemble anything from this league
violet nymph
discharge buff means badge is gonna be even more chase than it already is
isn't it a blight item
final iris
I only play standard and it was pretty expensive to buy
I think I paid something like 6-9 ex?
final iris
Well thankfully I won't need to buy another one :)
I really hope I can push the discharge damage high
I was around 2 millions last I checked
Which was kinda bad
Also, if as teased "elemental penetration" will become a standalone gem it'll be so much better for discharge
I won't lose damage due to not running shroud of the lightless
bronze cave
what do these spellslinger changes mean for ec/c in leveling/endgame respectivly?
slender temple
are alt quality gems regular heist rewards or some heist crafting thing for regular gems
i gues swe find out tomomrrow or friday
bronze cave
they drop from grand heists
slender temple
cries
sharp iron
Yeah. Like Awakened gems, they are their own drop and not something you can modify a gem into.
On the subject of them, I suspect that "Increased quality of socketed gems" will become much more valuable in Heist due to some particularly good alt quality gems that you can get to higher quality then normally possible with.
For example, Shrapel Ballista's alt-quality is "chains +1 times per 10% quality". So with an increased quality of socketed gems, you can make that chain an additional time.
But I think that Kinetic Bolt is actually going to be the strongest with quality scailing. Since when you get it past 20% quality, it starts multiplying all of your cast speed modifiers and is going to get really quick with that.
wild arch
Yeah but you can only go up to 23% iirc
sharp iron
No, i think there's a "Increased quality of socketed gems" affix you can get
sharp iron
That's what I was referring to. It's that affix that allows you to get unusually high amounts of quality, and take advantage of powerful quality effects.
weak rain
there is the elreon craft
bronze cave
i wonder if enhance will be good on some alt quality gem builds
weak rain
+8 to quality
bronze cave
With a +1 to support gems item and a lvl 4 enhance, you get +32% quality
so you could have a 55% quality gem and you can probably push that further
bronze cave
it sounds fun for spectral shield throw, you get 55 crit multi per 100 ES on your shield
wild arch
Wait can you reach 50% quality with just enhance>?
bronze cave
and a +1 gems/support gems item
wild arch
So it's possible to reach 100% chaos conversion on flameblast without sacrificing both weapon slots 
ocean narwhal
Dang
those quality values are nuts
70% quality means 7x chain on shrapnel ballista
bronze cave
It also means 70 crit multi per 100 ES on your shield for spectral shield throw, which is an insane value
ocean narwhal
on a deadeye thats a 80% more multiplier, including the source of chain from the ascendency itself
get +2 chain from somewhere and that becomes a 100% more modifier on shrapnel ballistas initial hit
as well as big clearspeed
watching a projectile chain like 10x must be fun
sharp iron
Also, the elreon craft applies to all the gems socketed in the item. So with three alt quality gems, that can stack up to be a decent amount.
bronze cave
With a lvl 4 enhance, a +2 gems on your item and a 23 qual gem you're looking at 63% quality
ocean narwhal
that also means you can remove all the clearspeed gems from your totems and focus entirely on dps
sharp iron
Eh, level 4 enhance is a pretty hard to obtain item. That might be going too far.
bronze cave
nah its not hard to obtain
sharp iron
Wait, wasn't there a unique item that gives increased quality to gems socketed in green sockets?
bronze cave
if youre not in ssf that is
ocean narwhal
Shrapnel ballista 100% phys to fire conversion chieftain
sharp iron
Dialla's Malefaction gives +10% quality to gems in green sockets, +1 level to the ones in red sockets, and allows any gem to go in any socket. Therfore, you can have it grant +10% quality to your alt-quality skill gem and an extra level to your Enhance at the same time.
bronze cave
yeah but you have no body armour then
sharp iron
True. That would be pretty glass cannon.
bronze cave
But you can get +2 to support gems from rolling fossil on an elder body armour
sharp iron
I think Kinetic Bolt will be the best alt quality to scale up. Because if you manage to get that to like 40% quality, that turns into "200% of your cast speed applies to attack speed". It's a multiplicative modifier to all of your cast speed modifiers. That's going to get pretty crazy.
You can even still attach a normal Attack Speed Support gem to it. So I think that could seriously be a contender for one of the fastest attacking skills in the game.
zealous monolith
hmm did the mana of Spellslinger get changed?
bronze cave
yes
from 20% to 30%-25% over the course of leveling the gem
You could have a chest with +2 to enhance and +6 quality to your gem, then a lvl 4 enhance, a 23 quality gem and you would be at 69% quality
sharp iron
So Alt-quality Kinetic bolt is "300% of your cast speed applies to attack speed", with a slight amount of leeway in obtaining that.
Yeah, that's going to be able to zoom faster than Double Strike.
bronze cave
Bows can be even higher, you can get +4 on the bow itself, then a 23 qual gem and a lvl 4 enhance which gives you 79% quality
sharp iron
There are multiple cluster jewel notables that offer +8% to both attack speed and cast speed. With this Kinetic Bolt setup, each of those actually ends up turning into +32% Kinetic Bolt attack speed. For comparison, a 20/20 faster attacks support is 54%.
native sonnet
which nodes?
u need nodes with 2 separate lines of att/cast speed, the ones that say "att and cast speed" in 1 mod wont work
ocean narwhal
I wanna see Kinetic blast alt quality
I've not heard much of ol kinetic blast since spellslinger came out
pearl fossil
bout damn time. minions auto-resumm]uned on login.
sharp iron
Wow, seeing those emote numbers scroll up was satisfying.
ocean narwhal
We've changed some ailment modifying stats like Chill Effect, Shock Effect, Chill Duration and Freeze Duration to instead apply to all Cold and Lightning Ailments.This will allow them to affect the alternate elemental ailments, Sap and Brittle.
I feel like this is a secret gamechanger maybe
stack brittle effect on something like ice crash
primal whale
or Sap effect 🤔
seems like you could get some insane damage reduction from a "shock support"
aka elementalist stacking shock effect with Voltaxic
violet nymph
i hope elementalist gets a full ground-up rework in a league or two
violet nymph
Elementalist does not feel like a generalist elemental damage class
inquisitor is much better at evoking that
elementalist is golem stacking now and that's it basically lol
maybe elementalist should be like...
storm crown
Will we be find alternative quality gems while levelibg or are The strikly from end game?
violet nymph
you find them from grand heists, so you can find them during leveling
storm crown
🤔 bit confused about The system 😂
violet nymph
so you do contracts (small heists) a bunch until you get to do a grand heist that's like a bunch of small heists crammed together
and the grand heist has special rewards like replica uniques, alternate quality gems, and experimented base types
vital void
im going to make a build around the first alt qual gem i get
and my starter will be voltaxic crackling lance occultist
sharp iron
The history of Brittle, Sap, and Scorch has been interesting because they've been slowly introduced to the game. First in Syndicate where they were only technically in the game, each with only one item that was capable of inflicting them. Then the better part of a year later Delirium introduced a new keystone that allowed you to make build that revolved around them more and could inflict more then one at a time, as well as connecting them to a theme of torture. Now in Heist we're getting reliable and versatile options for being able to scale them up, and a unique ring that can help greatly with inflicting them as well.
I think we could still probably see some more uniques, affixes, and possibly even ascendancy abilities or gems created around them though.
The way they are now connected to the theme of torture is promising for PoE 2. Because that means if any of the new ascendancies could logically have a torturer theme to them, it would fit them to get abilities for these.
sharp iron
Oh. This is the first time I've heard about that. Thanks for letting me know.
marsh oracle
I wanna see a boss where having a dedicated sapper is mandatory
uneven silo
bex and chris never talk about heist boss right?
the info of heist members are also poor
unreal orchid
not yet
violet nymph
Do you guys like the balance manifesto?
unreal orchid
I think necro got off too easily
and Glancing Blows was hit too hard for builds that didn't just abuse it
slender temple
hmm
wait for patch notes
before you say they got off too easy
maybe they got buffed haha
void wing
I found all the nerfs to be fine.
They're small nudges, which is my preferred method of balancing.
signal frigate
should i use heist while leveling?
void wing
Ask again 6 hours after league launch.
wind badger
unless you're racing you should just have fun
but if you're asking that you're probably not racing so yes you should do it
wild arch
^
echo shale
Was Assassin nerf really that necessary? I felt like Assassin was popular this league because of harvest
weak rain
considering that caches in heist have several rewards like uniques, gems, past league reawards and so on i'd bother with them while leveling to be honest
unreal orchid
I think assassin deserved a nerf, not sure if deadly infusion was the problem, and we'll see by how much it was nerfed
if it's gutted, there's like no reason to go assassin anymore without the base crit
peak terrace
u still have mistwalker it is still gonna be enough crit and dmg
it is not gonna kill assassin by any means
it would just be a tad bit harder tomax crit 🤷
and @echo shale assassin has been top 3 most popular for three or four leagues now
i think so at least (didnt double check )
void wing
Assassin by theme has solid generic damage so it's just naturally fitting in sc.
Barely see him in hc.
echo shale
^
shy belfry
How did yall go and get ball lightning nerfed?
copper kernel
wdym its been the strongest spell for years
and ggg just couldnt balance slower proj with it
signal quest
Any build we havent seen in a while looking to be good in heist?
bronze cave
We'll know in about 11 hours
signal quest
ah, fair enough
bronze cave
Havnt really seen many buffs without the patchnotes yet
signal quest
Figured patch notes were out by now, my bad :p
clear gust
Im really confused. I was thinking about reave new quality. inquisitor/raider ascendant with ee... then I've remembered vaal version of skill from alternate quality gem isn't affected by it... So gaining stages would kill me on phys reflect maps
unreal orchid
make a build around the sword instead xD
barren crescent
4-6h minimum
timid geyser
Yeah, honestly I think 4-6h is about the time we will end up getting the countdown for patch notes (assuming we get one)
distant condor
Any cold dots builds here I can get inspiration from
lucid helm
some one is german and wanna look over my build ?
unreal orchid
I think you'd ask that in #1┃build-planning or #build-fixing
ocean narwhal
I wonder when blueprints start dropping
I can imagine contracts start dropping around mudflats
but blueprints are another story
unreal orchid
well you'll supposedly get one grand heist per act on average
I'm not 100% sure if you need one blueprint per wing or one for the grand heist and then unlock the wings with intelligence
but at the start we'll get caches for the stuff anyway
not sure when they'll start to be random drops
ocean narwhal
blueprints are the grand heists in general
when I heard they were talking about one per act, I think that implied the number of maps you'd run per grand heist
rather than right from the get go at act 1
unreal orchid
well, I haven't played incursion, but I think you would have gotten your first temple in act 1 back then?
so I'd actually be surprised to not have the first grand heist in act 1
pale grail
primal whale
Delirium for 16c.. seems like they havent learned
sharp iron
So by the time you've gained the ability to do Blight maps at-will, you've already gotten the oils you need for basic anointment?
At least you can farm Abyss jewels early on.
sonic glen
so that 16c delirium is going to be a stock mirror from 3.10, right? Random rewards, timed clear?
torpid sonnet
yep
wintry apex
Exactly
If they don't change Delirium scaling you can print money quite easily with juiced Malformations
normal kraken
did ggg comment whether rare mobs will still be able to roll hexproof outside of map mods?
unreal orchid
not that I know, but I don't see why they wouldn't
you can even apply marks to them now
normal kraken
if so the new curse skill/support are dead as main skills
primal whale
There are a few rare mobs in the game that are hexproof by default
unreal orchid
or maybe you'd actually invest into cursing hexproof enemies if that's really the main feature of the build
primal whale
Well yeah if you doing hexblast or doom stuff you really wanna go Occ
normal kraken
isn't the only source other than occ the eva chest?
the poison one with no life/ES
primal whale
Occ, Cospri's Will and Gluttony can bypass Hexproof
Though Gluttony is Curse on Hit which doesnt work for Doom stuff
normal kraken
gluttony is triggered and a mark though
normal kraken
I really hope they just remove the mod from the rare mod pool
primal whale
There is a new notable on the skilltree that lets you bypass hexproof
normal kraken
yeah, other sources of hexproof would also solve it
primal whale
Cause they said they'd overhaul Curse notes on the skilltree
I mean it would make sense to have some form if they promote this as a new playstyle which only works on one ascendency
violet nymph
wait wait wait wait
hexblast can freeze/shock/ignite
if you use flammability
can you actually play an ignite chaos skill
lmao
primal whale
Stormfire ignite hexblast with Ele weakness, conductivity and EE
thats a casual -4 Billion resists
violet nymph
why stormfire
you aren't actually doing lightning damage, it's chaos damage that can already ignite
violet nymph
cause memes 😛
primal whale
there ya have it
violet nymph
stormfire just does nothing for the skill though
but yeah EE is a thing
you'll just need to use oos or storm brand or something
small wigeon
i was so caught up on heists themselves and just now asked myself, how are they gonna present themselves as a league mechanic during maps?
like
what are we gonna find?
with harvest it was the pods, delirium the mirror, etc
do we have this info already?
an npc that ports to rogue harbor?
zealous gale
you get a resource I believe(marks?), which is used to go on heists
violet nymph
you get marks and contracts from normal enemies
small wigeon
oh so no npc/portal per map? just get the items dropping from enemies?
violet nymph
contracts are the little heists
zealous gale
I assume it’ll be handled like bestiary where you need to use the portal to get there
violet nymph
yes
violet nymph
this league is amazing cause you can just stockpile the league content and then do it all at once
make entire characters for the content by itself if you want
and do maps with a different character
similar to delve
small wigeon
nice
violet nymph
everything you get for the league is tradable
fickle granite
guys, what is Domination mod?
fickle granite
bloodline - just additional mobs?
fickle granite
thank you
violet nymph
and also adds more magic mobs
good if you wanna level fast but have no currency lol
weak rain
actually bloodlines is nice for map drops
ocean narwhal
for heist, it seems like they're doing a thing where they just drop from enemies yeah
maybe stuff like strongboxes and other sources of loot
hasty perch
so we can expect stuff like alva to drop additional heist coins
i'd say that's nice but
i'm not convinced they won't do metamorph 2.0
where there's too many drops of very low amounts of coins
basically forcing you to stop to grab them every 5 seconds
which would be very annoying
clever oracle
patch notes today right?
hasty perch
in a few hours
sonic glen
@small wigeon at low levels, there will be heist pods with marks, contracts etc in them, but they'll fade away to only the mark/contract/blueprint drop from normal monsters
there is no specific map mechanic, it's just an addition to the drop table for everything
sonic glen
the announcement video
the announcement video
may have been ziggyd's interview with chris
sonic glen
(they were trying to translate to harvest as an analogy)
sonic glen
but, I wouldn't expect them to exist past level 30 or 40
calm jewel
Tide - sorry I cannot type
sonic glen
eh, that's why we have darwin awards.
calm jewel
Who is that
violet nymph
calm jewel
You mean the guy that found the island or whatever
violet nymph
???
sonic glen
yeah, he created the theory of evolution
violet nymph
why is there an elemental focus node and an elemental focus support gem lol
calm jewel
In theory that could be an island
native sonnet
yes there are some names shared between several things
calm jewel
What if we are all islands
sonic glen
the award in his name is given to those who magnanimously remove themselves from the gene pool, thereby removing their stupidity from the development of us as a species
calm jewel
Well I’d say I’m offended but an award would be nice :kekw:
sonic glen
like the guy who built his own rocket, say
ocean narwhal
Added a Vendor Recipe for a special Support Gem. Good luck!
Aha
This is elemental penetration I suppose
bronze cave
penetration
violet nymph
i hate that "patch notes" don't actually give us all the information of what is being added
i want to see the values on the damn discharge threshold lol
silver kettle
I've asked for it to be teased before release
devout osprey
whats going to be your starter viper?
violet nymph
the patch notes do say that the jewel removes the cooldown entirely
pearl fossil
hm...it has begun, the heist.
sharp iron
"Gluttony: No longer has level 30 Poacher's Mark on hit. No longer grants Culling Strike against enemies cursed with Poacher's Mark. Now grants 20 to 28 Life on hit with Attacks against Cursed Enemies, 10 to 14 Mana on hit with Attacks against Cursed enemies, and Culling Strike against Cursed Enemies."
Well that unique is stupid weak now.
Give up your belt slot for just a little bit of life on hit, mana on hit, and culling strike *only works if you can always curse enemies
native sonnet
expected more for firestorm =/
violet nymph
ok so i'm doing something incredibly stupid
something unimaginably incorrect and wrong
the memest of meme
i saw that discharge has 450% added damage effectiveness
there's a unique called ancient waystones
and 2 auras that give a bunch of flat spell damage
and an ascendancy node that gives a bunch of charges for summoning totems
devout osprey
hierophant?
violet nymph
so i'm going to literally play a Tukohama build and have literal aura totems ready as i get my power/endurance charges up with a multiple totem-supported random skill
then blast the shit out of the enemy with a selfcast discharge
very much only for bosses
storm crown
how will Doom work? 🤔
shut quarry
that'll depend on the values in the end, we don't know yet
oh - they mentioned conductivity, despair, ele weakness: "Curses applied by casting this spell now gain 10 Doom per second."
storm crown
ye but what does 1 doom even do? XD
shut quarry
"Hexes apply a curse in an area and, when manually cast, apply an amount of Doom per second to cursed enemies up to a maximum. Doom increases the effect of the afflicted curse and [...]"
all we knoow afaik
storm crown
ok
abstract pulsar
are the new marks good for flickerstrike+multistrike? is it
hit#1->apply mark on hit with a ring->hit#2->hit#3
or
hit#1->hit#2->hit#3->apply mark
nvm im dumb, the hits wont hit the same target anyway
hasty perch
applies on first
but either way curse on hit marks only apply to rares+uniques
it seems decent to keep your frenzies up on bosses with quality tho
abstract pulsar
really? did i miss that in the patch notes
hasty perch
abstract pulsar
interesting
sly tusk
makes sense, the server load for bouncing around marks would be silly
native sonnet
hmm, does forked/splitted blazing salvo projectiles explode/target onto the targeted area or would they just keep going in the direction? or depends on how far we target? hmmmmm
deft girder
Yes
native sonnet
yes, abit late, but will be today
deft girder
TBH I like the new curse keystone.
The node is between witch/ranger on the tree right?
Nvm doesn't mention where it is.
shut quarry
do theses new modifiers roll on all items or how can i tell if it is restricted to weapons or anything?
https://www.pathofexile.com/public/news/2020-09-15/mods.html
native sonnet
wait for poedb
shut quarry
that is stupid. why don't they give that info right away to us?
sly tusk
wonder what the deal with the late skill tree json is, doesn't appear to be many changes to the tree
native sonnet
shut quarry
i mean i can guess that 75% more DoT will be restricted to weapons but really... most are not obvious to me
native sonnet
u can check on poedb, the mods themselves didnt change, just the tags
shut quarry
ahhhh ok, ty!
native sonnet
@silver kettle , is there by any chance that firestorm 150% more is a typo? it seems odd that patch note says the base power of the spell has been "significantly raised" but the dmg per cast is halved. And the number seems to make more sense with 1500% more
unreal orchid
lol
wet plaza
Doesn't the old include all hits hitting which is not happening?
quaint echo
i wonder how annoying animate weapon will be with heist
there is unleash... but waiting alot between opening wings/starting alarms and resummon etc will suck
copper kernel
yeah
ocean narwhal
Yo haunted mansion, Iceberg and tower are all early maps
I don't think it IS that tbh
that seems to be up at the urn of farud near the top of the list
unique peak
i remember seeing some currency that made us able to change lab enchants between items. did i dream this or is it getting added?
ocean narwhal
Oooooh
I see
Those are quest items, there's a damned heist story here
probably about rescuing each individual heist gang member and a personal quest dealing with them
rigid saffron
Does anybody know the maximum Doom?
peak terrace
ITS OVER 9000
unreal orchid
no
deft girder
@rigid saffron 30
rigid saffron
Thanks
deft girder
Would be nice if GGG gives us the value of doom.
zealous monolith
I assume cause of the mark rework
rigid saffron
It seems 1% Doom == 1% Curse Effect
grim parrot
i dont understand what they did with the curses
modest yoke
Frost shield : - "This Shield absorbs a portion of incoming damage and increases your chance to deal critical strikes while you are within it." that means i get hit for 100 damage and shield absorbs like 30% of it? that would be big dissapointmet :?(
modest yoke
I was hoping for real HP barrier, so I do not need so much running
grim parrot
its a static shield
meaningyou can move out of it
if you want a hp barrier take steelskin
modest yoke
I get oneshot with steelskin, i get oneshot with anything, play mighti necromancer send 100 minions, but have to jump around like an monkey :/
grim parrot
check map mods if they have more than 2 damage rolls reroll
modest yoke
was hoping for some "game style" changer with frost shield T.T
grim parrot
it is what it is
might get changed later if they realize its useless
if it actually is useless
i think it would pretty well with sigil of power
shut mica
@modest yoke running / dodging is key element of the game. Hence the expression... just don’t get hit 🙂
grim parrot
i mean
every build should be able to take atleast 1 hit in non extreme circumstances
modest yoke
I know, but that doesn't mean I like it. To be honest I hate that part of the game.
shut mica
Make some mega tank build and you can tank all day.... but you won’t be killing bosses with any real speed. Careful balance of offense vs defense
modest yoke
Seems will have to find some reall tank witch build, this league i had like 4m dps on one spectre, but couldnt get pat 92 lvl since of every fart just killed me 😄
shut mica
How much hp did you have
modest yoke
3200 + 1200 shield ... ok now triggered 😄
grim parrot
theres your problem
shut mica
Hahaha yes that is fart one shot range
grim parrot
you cant expect to go full glass cannon and not die all the time
shut mica
And 4m dps is not enough to have such a low life pool
modest yoke
had full free 6 link for anything with that build, but no gem combo in the world would help me heh
grim parrot
gem combos dont increase life my man
shut mica
No just life would save you
Life on all gear and at least 150% life on tree
Would be a good start
grim parrot
or if rich enough go CI and get 12k es
modest yoke
that why frost shield picked my interest, but even 1/3 reduction would still mean 1hit for this squishy me 😄
grim parrot
frost shield and necro is not going to work
especially when clearing maps
you run and leave your shield behind
and itll most likely have a cooldown
modest yoke
i do not mind slower clearspeed at all, to be honed i mostly do blighted maps only
slender temple
glass cannon is fine if your dps is high enough
i respecced into glass cannon spectremancer to do the 15 simus for 40/40
died alot
but i finish the damn challenge ;\
grim parrot
and how much frustration did that build up
slender temple
not much
it ust time
then done ;D
few more days of farting around and i stopped playing in harvest
grim parrot
i quit playing after a month, just got bored of it
spent more time on poedb than actually playing
modest yoke
Harw was my first league, I can not even imagine how in the world will I gear in Heist without harw craft mhehe 😄
grim parrot
any noteworthy ones out yet?
harvest is an awful league to start
your entire view of the game is going to be biased
modest yoke
I dunno, i could recolor anything, 5 socket 5 link anything anitime. On start that was big help. And then "big" money by just changing stack of 0.5c fosils to 7c ones was pure joy xD
If i would have to use chromatics only , i dont have colored sockets on chest even now lol 😄
But admit that deep crafting after was too much, max i did was to remove something for having beast suffix on it
But my friend damn he crafted 30ex helm daily
shut mica
Yup
Helms were $$
No more cash printing machine
Now back to a more “normalized” economy
With bots shitting on the value of chaos once again xD
modest yoke
But i like this boost of blighted towers, that was nice surprise in patch notes, and that it finnaly is for 8c map craft neatt.
shut mica
Curious to see how the market for contracts/ blueprints is
grim parrot
i hope blighted map farming would be worth again
ancient orbs and stacked deck prices plummeted thanks to HH printing
made blight map farming not worth
back in mm ancient orbs were 70-80c. one of those paid for 2 or 3 maps
modest yoke
Not sure map costed like 15c in harvest, and could make up to 50c for each run
grim parrot
in what items?
grim parrot
blight is on the map device so i assume map prices will be low ish
modest yoke
sounds cool to me 😄 since honestly I droped 0 blighted maps in whole harw leage 😄 had o buy all
grim parrot
now towers got buffed i think there will be a lot of people farming those maps tho
idk i like blight, will test it
barren crescent
Gold oil prices dropped due to garena tab bug
glad tusk
if a monster has a hex on it hexblast shouldnt hit twice with the hit and the shockwave right
barren crescent
@slender temple When blight tab launched mid league, there was a bug for Garena client users that converted 1:1 instead of 3:1
for like 15min from launch
bold basalt
slender temple
@barren crescent wow haha
frigid holly
Do we know whether a hex linked with Blasphemy support to be an auar is considered self-cast for the purposes of doom yet?
signal frigate
am i forced to play a certain build to enjoy heist?
frail bluff
Nah there's no need to be stealthy.
signal frigate
ok nice
frail bluff
Check Q&A with chris by ziggyD about the league, if u have more doubts.
rotund pine
So if SpellSlinger gets cooldown, and Discharge gets cooldown, maybe Voll's Protector + Barrage + SpellSlinger + Discharge? (Without threshold jewel)
peak terrace
@normal kraken untrue ^^ curse on hit rings would also be giving doom
normal kraken
Did they explicitly confirm that? I would say patch notes are clear about doom only applying with selfcast curaes
peak terrace
Items which apply a Curse to an enemy (such as the curse-on-hit Ring modifiers) no longer specify a level, and instead have a set magnitude for their values with a fixed amount of Doom, which is overwritten when another source applies a more potent version (similar to Arcane Surge).
@normal kraken
normal kraken
I missed that one, that's neat
hasty perch
well boosted blight towers looks like you can clear blighted maps with scout towers now
just grab twice the inc damage for them
and let them do the work while you watch TV
copper kernel
we dont know
peak terrace
@fluid musk it could be like delirium
where u enter and it is guaranteed unique item from chests u know and at lvl 10 u can only get so many uniques
it could be easy way to farm for early tabulas and so on just like in delirium
the other option is that it be like harvest where the early rewards are just a buncha stupid rares or random orbs that it wouldnt really be relevant outside levelin up and unlockin mercenaries
and then there is the definition of early - the first day or two or the first week ?
peak terrace
then ye @fluid musk what i said
but also the thing is from what we know from heist u can target what loot u get
so if u are able to get to grand heists relatively easy and the loot u can target is abundant
you could prob make a ton a ton of money with the alternate gems at least
cause those would be build changing potentially or some uniques
which means ppl would be willing to drop big money for them just so they make sth cool af that is new
fervent plover
most league mechanics i engage with like two of to check it out, and then ignore them until im STRONK
usually they just kill you because you are level 5 but i do it anyway
fluid musk
im probs gonna run a heist on the coast in act 1 for the heck of it lmao
if they appear there
quaint echo
ofc, i run it in every zone to see if it sucks
even if i might struggle and still play it to get cat
i enjoyed heist part in van helsing arpg, but there you only do planning/team/items and u didnt go with the team. it was just a mini game
peak terrace
if u are not racing just do it dude w
like it might be like betrayalwhere at lvl 30-50 as a casual with a wateveer gear and levelin build u get hard bodied
then ud just skip 🤷
if it is fun do it
modest yoke
Logged on standard, tried to re-color 6link, what a cold shower after harvest easiness 😄 , so I should expect same drama on heist :?D
bitter ledge
As a racer, I'll probably just do a few Heists if I'm lacking experience in act 5.
Before that, I'm not touching the league mechanic at all
limber escarp
guys, what build do you suggest me as heist starter? i've seen some interesting such as ball lightning and summon skeleton.. what do you suggest me?
limber escarp
ty, gonna check them out
violet nymph
the flame surge thing doesn't have any sort of guide
nobody uses that skill
i've been thinking of writing a guide for it
limber escarp
is that a new skill or a skill no one uses yet?
violet nymph
it's a very old skill, that, while powerful damage-wise, doesn't have a lot of clear speed
and i've been trying to come up with a way to fix that
devout pivot
do self flagellation still work with the new curse system (from soul mantle)
violet nymph
yes, but because marks are no longer the same it's less effective
naive fractal
I don't understand the wording on doomsday. Does consuming a hex cause it to be automatically reapplied with 0 doom and no way to gain any doom until the hex is recast manually?
Is the duration of area that remains on the ground 1 second or the duration of the hex?
snow badger
What places do you guys use to find good builds before a league start?
violet nymph
my brain
honestly i don't know lol
i guess the forums
i just make my own and hope they work
peak terrace
@snow badger i just look atskills
maybe try one of the new ones
simply cause its new and fresh 🙂
snow badger
Sure, but hard to tell without a bunch of theorycrafting if it will be good or awful
peak terrace
@snow badger u dont need to theorycraft much
like the new cracklin ice is similar to arc
if u dont like it then move to arc
if u decide on a miner u can easily swap between spells til u find one u enjoy
if u go for a cold skill and u play say assassin u can swap between fp, gc or coc or selfcast nova
going melee also has many many skills to pick from
if u are not omega deep into poe u pick sth more generic as a starter
weak rain
it's a very old skill, that, while powerful damage-wise, doesn't have a lot of clear speed
@violet nymph i'm gonna play incinerate cwc flame surge as starter
pob says dps should be plenty
violet nymph
just remember not to put elemental focus in the main links lol
weak rain
actually my late map upgrade would be to self sustain rightous fire as trickster
violet nymph
here's a pro-tip: in act 1 buy infernal legion from nessa and link it to skellies and just summon skeletons to proc burning for flame surge once you get it at the merveil cave
it requires more clicking but it's plenty of damage
weak rain
😮 thank you!
can i pass you the pob i did so maybe you can help me tweak it if needed?
violet nymph
now i'm not sure if you can actually do that on a shadow cause i was using templar
sure
wanton rivet
that skelly sword is rly cool
wild arch
I'm assuming the skellies will benefit from any corrupted implicits you get on the weapon
wanton rivet
the way its worded it should
low gyro
hm so some cyclone+cast while channeling+offering shenanigan's again?
wild arch
For what?
low gyro
hitting otherwise no tripple dmg, from the wording its hitting with the weapon so....
wild arch
This sounds like a weapon for some sort of a skellie guardian
shadow thistle
Is there a video of heist in action
warped jasper
Guys, the skill Crackling Lance seems very simillar to Arc... why should i chose one over the other? Any ideas?
slender temple
yeah im thinking
go with arc for clear
swap the gem to crackling lance for boss
native sonnet
clear/single target/ dps/ mechanic/ mtx/ preference
woeful blade
Arc will hit a set number of enemies once, has better range due to the chain mechanic, but slower casts overall. Crackling Lance hits closer and harder, and more often overall. I think I'm gonna try an Arc build with Crackling totems this league, see how it goes
placid grotto
It seems like the two will be more or less drop-in replaceable. For handcast, I think crackling lance will have an edge because it should have a faster cast speed
from the vid, it looks like it should be able to clear well, but IDK if the videos are accurate to gameplay
(no numbers/zone are shown)
huh waddya know it looks very similar to arc
vital void
wait werent we suppsoed to get info on hexblast and the other skill gems?
this is only reworked skill gems so far
native sonnet
literally at the very top of the post...
bleak tinsel
4% Base crit on Hexblast, how the hell do you scale a chaos damage hit based spell with 4% crit as a non-assassin?
last river
Crackling lance is insane and completely supersedes arc imo
That's so much damage built into the item
Get some on death explosions(inpulsa is an easy candidate) and you're good for both clear and bossing
vital void
hexblast has 1% less base crit than every other spell in the game
placid grotto
It's roughly 2x at full
earnest solar
do we know what the default doom cap and effect of doom is?
last river
The intensify gem itself adds more
placid grotto
Does it stack with the gem?
last river
It's (1.3 * 1.22)^3
lean lark
i'm confused about hexblast/hexes/curses... does hexblast completely remove the hex/curse from an enemy, or just the doom stack from a particular curse?
placid grotto
I thought it would be exclusionary
last river
IF it was exclusive wouldn't lance note a cap?
placid grotto
Since it's already in the gem
last river
I don't think it's in the gem.
placid grotto
IDK
native sonnet
(1+ .33) * (1+.223)
last river
If it was on the gem wouldn't the skill be able to gain intensify on its own?
vital void
hexblast removes the doom stacks not the curse itself
native sonnet
more per X from the same source is additive with itself
last river
And wouldn't the skill note a cap?
lean lark
if that's true it's fucking terrible
placid grotto
@native sonnet with that math, it's about 3x
vital void
i feel like they were afraid of hexblast being good
last river
@native sonnet So it's 52% more per intensify?
vital void
so they prematurely gimped it
native sonnet
no
native sonnet
30% more is from the skill, 22% more is from inttensify support, that's 2 separate sources
wanton rivet
does overriding a curse becauase of the curse limit end the curse for hexblast
spiral quiver
what is max doom?
fair vortex
Does Flammability still reduce fire resistances ?
spiral quiver
yes
violet nymph
i don't know why but someone convinced me that new assassin's mark was a buff lol
but you lose a flat 1% crit chance for the new one
i guess the crit multi is kinda nice
native sonnet
bossess has reduced curse effectiveness, including ass mark so it was really 0.83 base crit before on shaper, now its 1.5 cuz mark no longer get the curse penalty
wild arch
Looks like you really are just supposed to go for doomsday if you want to play hexblast
violet nymph
!pob https://pastebin.com/HpRQ95Ua well this is as ready as it's going to be i guess
rigid lakeBOT
violet nymph
now to just wait for pinpoint and frost shield
i'd give the build more life but i also want damage lol
wild arch
Doomsday/hexblast really just sounds like essence drain/contagion with worse clear but better bossing
violet nymph
oh apparently if you stick an enemy inside a flame wall they take both the normal and secondary fire damage over time
wild arch
I say 'worse' just cause of the delay
violet nymph
which is kinda nuts
so you can use like... searing touch, use a 6l Scorching Ray, a 6l Flame Wall, and 4l Righteous Fire
and do a billion damage
wild arch
Doomsdaying a juiced up punish on occultist should lead to some absurd death pops
violet nymph
ugh what builds even work with RF these days
i guess chieftain has the best setup for that
wild arch
Tempted to just say fuck it to doom and play single target hexblast
Just go occultist and blasphemy punish for free explody chest
We're comparing 400% more damage after 1 second
To like 10 casts in the same time frame
wind badger
yea just upgrade your pc
brazen arch
is that your way of trolling?
marsh oracle
rtx 3080 will fix fps lag
snow goblet
the issue is you're still using a 970. There's just no way you're going to be able to run without fps lag.
marsh oracle
I get 90 fps with hair works on in witcher 3
I get 75 fps in path of exile
eager charm
I mean unfortunately that's the issue
witcher and poe are different games
are you using vulkan
woeful halo
Voltaxic Rift Crackling Lance build incoming
frigid venture
Can alt quality gems be corrupted into vaal gems?
jovial sail
Some of these alt gems have their 20% value shown while others have 1% shown?
it looks like it
hmm, maybe not
silver kettle
they should all be 20%
native sonnet
how does salvo work with return (from faster proj alt q) ?
or projectiles that dissipates over time in general
pearl fossil
wow...zombies with bleed chance is a massive dps increase.
deft girder
How will one make a troll build with the last one?
Make enemy really fast in party play.
native sonnet
is that a typo or what does base duration is -.06 mean?
lucid stone
I wonder if that stacks
silver kettle
it's correct. it subtracts from the base duration
native sonnet
shouldnt that read base duration -.06s
without the "is" ?
like loreweave read ur max resist is X just sets it to X instead of Y - X =/
silver kettle
I guess we could set up a specific stat description that handles negative values differently to positive values? this feels pretty clear though
native sonnet
not if u do chain etc with it
zealous monolith
Could someone explain to me what the benefit of this is?
It seems like a massive drawback at first glance
native sonnet
gonna guess that is +2 ? hmm
limber spire
oh my god i'm so glad frostbolt can apply cold exposure
now i don't need frostbomb in my build
native sonnet
yeah viper, not trying to be pedantic, but the wording is confusing imo
especially given we have established examples of mods like loreweave/veil that sets something to X with that wording
limber spire
i wonder, would frost shield's energy shield drain count as damage over time
or would there be no interaction at all
native sonnet
it shouldnt
wise heath
Have they shown anything about how much loot drops from Heists at all
I'm trying to figure out if SSF will be a pain
VS Delirium - Harvest core
native sonnet
hmmm, wonder if trade site will be able to filter alt q 1,2,3 or just alt q yes/no
cunning blade
probably q1 2 3
violet nymph
viperesque are you sure it's a good idea for lancing steel not to have an ailment penalty
cause uh
lol
shut quarry
shouldn't that be LESS dmg?
ocean narwhal
wait what the heck is on
cold to fire
Supported Skills deal 60% increased Damage with Poison
??????
shut quarry
y lol
limber spire
salutations
shut quarry
this should be MORE therefor, right?
limber spire
Swift Affliction Support - You and Enemies have 20% increased Movement Speed while inflicted with an Ailment from Supported Skills
more movement speed for enemies? uh
shut quarry
WB!
shut quarry
i know 😭
honest egret
soo whats the deal with freeze pulse alt quality of not piercing?
native sonnet
chain/split/fork shenanigans
honest egret
oooooooh
peak terrace
u put 2 first snows and u put gmp and fork
and u get some monster forkin from fp
kke
violet nymph
i don't think i'm gonna use and of the fp alt qualities
i like how one of the cold to fire supports gives 10% cold converted to fire
makes for a clean singular use of Pyre
for 100%
okay that's fucking sick i want that
shut quarry
dunno. better to explode corpses.
violet nymph
it's better for budget
limber spire
i feel like some of these gems are worth using for the quality alone
convocation is such an easy source for unnerve
native sonnet
volkur
native sonnet
mostly meme
violet nymph
i like that a whole bunch of these alt quality create their own meme builds
and another bunch of them turn near-useless gems into solid gems
like the inverse flameblast, for instance, which you can now actually use for clearing
might even be good
it's so cool conceptually
instead of small going to big, it's big going to small
so you can spam click it to clear and treat it like a normal skill
of course, good luck clearing well off that puny 280-419 base fire damage if you're spam clicking it
i really want to make a build with it though
sour mountain
so basically it turns into soft vaal flame blast
wait... how does vaal flame blast use that lol
native sonnet
it doesnt
slender temple
did you see cremation
alt 2 is 40% to boom corpses per projectile ?!?!?!
what what is shower of coins
native sonnet
prime suspect is perandus coins
violet nymph
Armageddon Brand - Alternate Quality 2: 20% chance for Brands to Attach to a new Enemy each time they Activate
@silver kettle is this your ignite arma brand baby here 😛
wild arch
Isn't firestorm quality busted as fuck?
Enhance support ends up giving more damage than anything else
native sonnet
no?
frigid venture
Will alt quality be destroyed if you use it in a q20 recipe?
slender temple
dont see why
its just another gem
also
you can literally check
the vendor SHOWS you the result
so you can loook
before hitting trade
frigid venture
But league hasn't started yet lol
slender temple
dont get scammed by navali
dusty cove
So what gem looks like a winner of the alt quality changes?
modest yoke
Could someone explain how gaining stages with frost shield work, desc is somewhat confusing ?
native sonnet
1 stage every .3 second (while u can afford the es drain)
modest yoke
that drain is active nonstop while I am in ? or just on start ?
modest yoke
You know , like it works somehow like "Regen"
native sonnet
Gem specify drain for 1 sec and 1 stage per .3 sec and max 4 stages
So how do u get to the 4th stage....
modest yoke
hm
native sonnet
Unless it starts with stage 1 at time 0?
modest yoke
so i put it down, it drain 1s, get 3-4 stages, and thats it, when its depleted I have to recast ?
modest yoke
That mean additional 10% to 20% from gem ?
native sonnet
Yes
modest yoke
Hm, but question is, will alternate gems apply also on Vall gems ? like can vall summon skeletons have "100% archers" on its "summon skeleton" that would be hardcore
daring karma
Do we know how often we will do heists? Once per zone?
wild arch
@modest yoke Vaal version is normal quality
modest yoke
@wild arch thats sad, so if you wanted archies and val army, would have to have normal skellies gem + vall gem socketed at same time :?D
silver kettle
no. if you have alt quality on a vaal gem the normal skill will still have the alt quality
modest yoke
Oh, thats what i didnt know, if those 'classic' gems in Val ones can have alternate quality, then thats perfect lol
Like omg, use jewel for 15skell mages, use alternate for these archers, use those uniq gloves for converting phys dmg to fire or lighting, cast on vaal version with 15 mages then cast 10+ archers, and cast void sphere with phys to cold to proc EE, and watch world to burn :?D ^__^
and on above that frost shield, just to be safe in that lag fest "D
wild arch
Don't really need void sphere
modest yoke
No, how would you solve EE ?
wild arch
Any spell will work
modest yoke
I had really trouble to proc it in convient way, void sphere seems to have large area right ? and it stay up for some time, no targeting needed that just sound superior to anything else, like those brands were just pain, also no need to converting to fire using passive
modest yoke
Tht sounds, harsh 😄
wild arch
And it has a cooldown of 10 seconds
modest yoke
but last 5s and can cast 2 with that support skill so 100% of time ?
wild arch
Storm brand with fire/ice minions is way easier
modest yoke
its range is too small honestly, like i mostly do blights so its unusable for me
modest yoke
another go which i was thinking was to proc EE with manually casting elemental weaknes tho.
wild arch
Maybe you don't even need the alt sphere
Just get any elemental damage on a ring or something
modest yoke
i guess yes
wild arch
What I want to know is if blasphemy will make hexblast aoe without boosting its damage
undone island
does that mean it can chain/fork now?
silver kettle
yes
undone island
that seems op
silver kettle
livid lake
do hexblast affected by pen gems 🤔
signal frigate
some alternates are really op