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[marsh wyvern]

i cant tell

[small wigeon]

i've copied an ez spreadsheet too and the random requirements are fucking me

if i put all the same types in a spot they require different juice to grow lul

[marsh wyvern]

what do you mean

[small wigeon]

i thought all wild plants required vivid juice, for example

but its not like that

they can require primal juice

and then if i fulfill the "nearby for the same type" requirement

they wont get the juice they need

some of them at least

[marsh wyvern]

right. they require both. i thought they all did but maybe not

oh yeah ur right i see

[small wigeon]

i did this one

[marsh wyvern]

tier 2 only need 1. tier 3 need 2

ah thats a compact setup for all types. sec i'll show the one i used

[hasty perch]

ok ty

[marsh wyvern]

from this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1b1maezGBODta9rGgcd58bkcG6DwrCdoFfBjRTyUOqyo/htmlview?pru=AAABcvVljX4# the "Left L" version

[versed bolt]

hey guys ive been using the below guide and ive done everything except link up the top bits for the T2+ seeds, can any one explain a little bit how im meant to link the top bit up? are all the blues in each section meant to link then with other colours etc just not sure how they go

[marsh wyvern]

is that from reddit?

if so, there is supposed to be a linking guide in the comments

[vast gazelle]

basically you link the collector to the pylon nearby of the same color, then the dispersers to the closest pilon that has slots open

[versed bolt]

not sure, a friend posted it but wasnt sure on it so i dont know where he found it, i can check reddit though and see if it was

oh ok

[vast gazelle]

the end goal is having every disperser linked up to the appropriate juice color and the collectors wired into the storage tanks

[versed bolt]

so C - P - D - P - S

would that be right

all same colour

[vast gazelle]

i think so? i haven’t wired it up myself yet so i cant be 100% sure

[versed bolt]

fair enough, thank you any way ill give it a tyry 🙂

[violet nymph]

C P S P D is how the thing I'm using is set up

There isn't any actual difference to how they work though

[frail kayak]

What's the strategy to the farm aside from layout?

Like, a specific question is how does the auto seed work? I'd assume the game isn't using an algorithm to place everything in an ideal fashion

So when is it okay to push it then?

[jagged surge]

if you dont care about crafting outcome and just want lifeforce

[distant harness]

It won’t use your low ilvl seeds from the stash when you hit auto, but if you throw them all into your inventory it will auto place them

[leaden storm]

autoseed only does t1s

unless it was changed today

[thin linden]

Anyone got a good and simple layout for t2 t3 seeds?

I was gonna follow this one

Edit: looks like this has been posted already I will follow the comments

[hollow rain]

is there something we can do with excess collectors and pylons

i life force dumped everything into those things when i leveled

now i have like 200+ pylons

but need storage tanks and dispersers

[serene summit]

Any tips for those who start out new with this mechanic? See the pictures I posted hours ago for my current set-up

[leaden storm]

what do you mean

[mortal bridge]

there is an endboss to harvest?

What

[leaden storm]

your current setup is nothing

yeah there is

what about it

[mortal bridge]

I thoight we were farming

Wtf

bro

Wtf

[leaden storm]

@serene summit what tips are you looking for

you haven't really done anything

[slow cape]

are the shaper/elder influenced maps sold by zana containing a guardian? or do i get those somewhere else now

[small wigeon]

wow this layout tafa posted seems awesome and simple, I think I'm gonna do it

[fair vortex]

do it need seeds lvl 84 for a base item ilvl 84 ?

[torpid sonnet]

@fair vortex No, theres a range of +10 levels, so you only need lvl74 seed for ilvl84 items

[ripe lake]

Does anyone know if the harvest reroll with x mods consume catalyst q?

[hasty perch]

so you can basically grow ilvl 76 seeds and do everything except card given items with them

[fair vortex]

ty

[tawdry flame]

@small wigeon that layout is great but consult Reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/hcxkz1/my_final_garden_setup_googlesheets_link_in/

the OP reworked it to allow for T4 planting and to fix the fact that the yellow routing didn't actually work - you can't thread a pylon through that arch as shown in the picture

https://i.imgur.com/wTOUl8p.png also this is important for when you start making the storage blocks, this is how to connect up the 3x3 storage to pylons

[violet nymph]

you can also technically do this if you're a nerd

[tawdry flame]

yeah that works too, I think.

[violet nymph]

the pylons don't have any concept of forward or backward, so

it works

[tawdry flame]

cant see any pylons with more than 4 connections and all the storage is connected anyway

[valid ingot]

Is this enough tanks for one essence type?

Talking just one type, not all three

[leaden storm]

lol yes

[valid ingot]

Don't some recipes require like 15k essence per type, though

This is only 3600

[leaden storm]

here's a t4

[tawdry flame]

also

stored essence can't be used to craft

only fresh essence. so your storage only has an effect on what higher T seeds you can grow, since it's used as fertilizer.

tbh I'm a bit concerned that you may not be properly considering the space requirements of actually growing the higher T seeds. Fertilizer won't be a problem, but distributors might be

[valid ingot]

I know, I was asking about how much storage is needed for proper fertilization of the higher tier stuff so that I have a little bit left over @tawdry flame

[balmy hound]

depends on how many seeds you grow, check out that seed he posted and multiply it by the growth cycles, if you do 3 of those seeds youll need a bit over 5500 yellow life force, the problem most of us are finding is unless you buy seeds you cant sustain growing that many t4 seeds at once anyway, these elaborate groves unless they patch seed drops just arent needed

[leaden storm]

and also you only need enough condensed lifeforce for a couple growth cycles at a time because you ideally will be gathering more lifeforce at the same time

[valid ingot]

So basically in reality max I need of each is like 3k for storage?

[tawdry flame]

sounds about right i think

[leaden storm]

yeah you need more or less depending on how frequently you want to plant when doing big grows

[balmy hound]

youll find out most your t1 seeds are alchemy orbs or worse, so youll have plenty of life force to store as much as you want, i have a ton of storage just because im using the life force to craft a big grove, and harvesting the t1s in hope of t2 hatchlings. but once you hit t3/t4 seeds it really slows down. if you stockpile like i kinda am youll need to store more, if you dont stockpile you just have to sustain better

[sturdy sedge]

How do you guys choose which layout to go for? There's just so many I feel like I'm drowning.

[marsh wyvern]

anyone know what exactly this does?

[rocky nebula]

enchants body armour by taking quality's place

[tawdry flame]

I picked the simplest clearest one that allowed for some t4 growing and looked easy to set up

[balmy hound]

layouts dont matter as much as people thought they would just go with something simple

[marsh wyvern]

like what, specifically?

[rocky nebula]

What body armour enchantments are there?

[marsh wyvern]

none that i ever heard of

[rocky nebula]

maybe it'll be something like catalysts

boosts certain types of mod values

[cobalt field]

Nah it's things like

"+1 life per 2% qual"

[timber plover]

Enchant Body Armour. Quality does not increase its Defences, grants +1 Maximum Life per 2% quality
Enchant Body Armour. Quality does not increase its Defences, grants +1 Maximum Mana per 2% quality
Enchant Body Armour. Quality does not increase its Defences, grants +1 Strength per 2% quality
Enchant Body Armour. Quality does not increase its Defences, grants +1 Dexterity per 2% quality
Enchant Body Armour. Quality does not increase its Defences, grants +1 Intelligence per 2% quality
Enchant Body Armour. Quality does not increase its Defences, grants 1% Fire Resistance per 2% quality
Enchant Body Armour. Quality does not increase its Defences, grants 1% Cold Resistance per 2% quality
Enchant Body Armour. Quality does not increase its Defences, grants 1% Lightning Resistance per 2% quality

[coral trellis]

i cant seem to access any of my stuff since theres no UI. is this a bug?

[eager terrace]

yeah I've had that bug before

usually I just pop out/back in

[timber plover]

make sure you killed every monster, sometimes a straggler runs away before you kill it

[eager terrace]

ah or that yeah

[timber plover]

can't interact with anything until every monster from the harvest is dead

[eager terrace]

if you recently harvested a blue square you may have had some runners

[coral trellis]

ah

oh i gotta gold alt

im dumb

[balmy hound]

press Z if u dont wanna hold alt

[real elm]

https://imgur.com/d8xb59K what's up with this lone Blue Pylon under the T2 Purple farm in the middle?

p->D -> 3 Pylons to the blue storage?

Think it's supposed to connect left to the Blue Disperser?

[balmy hound]

im not even sure what youre talking about it looks like you ahve everything connected

[real elm]

the lower Blue storage area.

the right side of it leads up to two pylons to The purple seeds... but it the top Blue pylon doesn't connect to anything

[balmy hound]

yea i think its supposed to go to the disperser to the right but it not necessary i dont think

[tawdry flame]

i assume you cant get that many t4 seeds without buying right?

[balmy hound]

if you stockpile them sure, but not in the time they would harvest, its like 15 maps per harvest so you sustain organically youd need over 70 t4 seeds per 15 maps

[tawdry flame]

ah

then I'm not going to bother making that much space for them 😄

[atomic arrow]

@valid ingot Enough for lower level seeds, the higher harvests can easily give you 3k-4k LF.

I would keep enough tanks so you can handle bursts of LF. Most of the time, it's not going to crazily full though.

[real elm]

are Tier 2 seed drop chance affected by the number of tier 1 seeds harvest? Full farm versus only 8?

[balmy hound]

i dont know if theres anyone farming data on that yet, im sure seed level plays a part though as that controls monster level and higher level generall equates to better drops

[steel plinth]

what does that mean?

[devout osprey]

adjacent is like "next-to" sides, top, bottom, diagonals

you need 2 wild seeds next to the seed you hover over

[steel plinth]

ahhhh ok

that saves me a lot of trouble ty

[prime nymph]

https://i.imgur.com/DG9gxiZ.png

why is auto disperse not automatically dispersing

requires 12 more, is blinking red, disperser is there, set to auto

and if i click it, it works

but i want it to do it automatically

[frank veldt]

In order to craft the Horticulture Station thingy, I need 15 Tier 2 Seeds of the same color right?

[balmy hound]

@prime nymph leave it on auto, leave your instace go back to mapping or whatever it will disperse some next growth cycle

[prime nymph]

okay thank you @balmy hound

[balmy hound]

depends on level of t2 seeds, higher level t2 seeds give more life force

[tawdry flame]

So the station thing stores crafts right? Any crafts? And the life-force to make them or how does that work

[atomic arrow]

@tawdry flame You have to connect it to the collector with a pylon. After that, in the collector you can click on a craft and press store on the left.
It will take the required lifeforce and send it to the horticulture station.

[tawdry flame]

ohh. so do you need one for each colour or can they connect to multiple collectors?

[atomic arrow]

You can reconnect the pylons as you need. Picking up the station also keeps the crafts.

Having one of each color does save you from needing to reconnecting the pylons each time you want to save a craft from a different type of collector.

And having more means you can store more crafts.

[tawdry flame]

I'll aim for that then 🙂

is there a 6L craft?

[violet nymph]

Yes

Random one at least

I have farmed so many pods , its really crazy.

Tip, if you want the horticulture t hings, plant 16 T2 and 8 T1 seeds

You will have enough to build it and store 3 t2 crafts in it

ANy more you waste crafts and the excess juice comes at a shitty exchange, that is @ lvl 70-75 maybe could push 15-9 at higher levels

[halcyon plume]

Why auto disperse not working? Dispersers next to seeds with required juice with auto enabled but I have to manual disperse otherwise it just wont go

[tawdry flame]

have you progressed a turn?

[violet nymph]

It either is working

[tawdry flame]

if you don't leave and find a cache, it wont autodispense

[violet nymph]

ANd you have not progressed or you have seeds planted to high a level

[halcyon plume]

Does it just undergo auto disperse AS you do the next cache?

ie, while you are in map?

[violet nymph]

It dispearses when you pop a pod

[halcyon plume]

ok

[violet nymph]

so that way you can alter it

[tawdry flame]

you come in and its squirting away

[violet nymph]

If it spewed it out and you want to redirect it you couldnt

But if you say bought a seed that is i85 and you in a i74 map it wont grow as well

I dont actual difference where it stops though

[halcyon plume]

so these plants that require yellow will in theory get auto dispersed and grow a cycle when i do the next cache

[violet nymph]

Yea see that symbol

https://i.imgur.com/btfO78a.png

Now you also may think you have enough juice and you dont

not sure if my approach to this league was correct. I decided to farm pods on story maps before leeling up

Still level 72 with 28 horticultures

[tawdry flame]

😮

[violet nymph]

Act 9 Quarry, smoke mine + another movement skill can get 5+ pods a min

[tawdry flame]

wow nice

[simple shore]

is inspriation bugged with brands?

im not getting charges

even though it says it can support penance brand

[valid ingot]

Anyone have an optimal Harvest map?

Because I feel like this isn't going to be enough

[cedar wigeon]

Auto dispers is not working?

[frail kayak]

Check pins @valid ingot

[halcyon veldt]

I thought that layout was a pure meme.

[gloomy bay]

Any tips on getting higher tier seeds to drop from harvest encounters

Or just pop your plots and hope for the best

[rigid stream]

Pop more at once

And do it in Maps

[prime nymph]

https://imgur.com/d8xb59K

What is the purpose of the bottom right blue pylon in the tier 2 wild group?

i dont understand why it would just go to a pylon and stop

[rigid stream]

Either to make it look Not Like poop, or to free Up a link

[prime nymph]

what do you mean by freeing up a link @rigid stream ?

sorry just trying to grasp this

[rigid stream]

A Pylon can only have 4 Connections

[prime nymph]

oh i see

Thanks

[real elm]

@prime nymph i mentioned that pylon earlier. i think it's a typo should be connected to dispenser up and to the right of it

[prime nymph]

i kinda thought that @real elm ty

[primal whale]

These random maps that just crash your game the moment you enter them are really starting to annoy me

[boreal helm]

sorry if this has already been asked, but is there any solution at all for after a group of seeds gets harvested, but the game crashes before I get a chance to loot or craft? I get back into the game, and everything is gone (seeds, loot, crafts, energy). Super harsh result.

[cedar wigeon]

Whats the average seeds frops in red tier maps?

[modest monolith]

anyone go tthe link to this excel sheets with the different garden setups? was posted somewhere yday

[cedar wigeon]

This one?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b1maezGBODta9rGgcd58bkcG6DwrCdoFfBjRTyUOqyo/htmlview?pru=AAABcvVD9jA

[serene wing]

Do I have to use or condense before I do more maps? Do I lose what is currently available if I move on and leave it on the craft?

[wet plaza]

yes crafts are gone when you dont use them when theyre unlocked

[hexed pond]

I keep getting spammed with "this way, exile" every time I pass by Oshabi in the grove, does anyone know how to fix?

[jolly radish]

so weird

i cant edit or click any button on PoB

on my 2nd monitor

why is that lol

but its ok on my first one!?

[serene summit]

@leaden storm I mean in terms on how to place a proper setup and/or what craft I can use the best for a caustic arrow build.

Just asking, but is it possible to like, move/remove "seed incubators" from your garden?

[hexed pond]

ctrl click, but only when they haven't been activated in your "current" visit

to reset, leave area and access through waypoint

[serene summit]

Cool, thanks. May want to tinker around a bit with what I have for now, that I have some spacing for all of my seeds

[hexed pond]

I followed this https://i.redd.it/azs0s9vsv5651.png which works pretty well once you have enough tier 2 and 3 to fill the plots

[jolly radish]

i did that but i cant sort out the dispersers in the top ^%

so it fks me

like i dont know if i overlap the dispersers or w/e

[hexed pond]

you do have to overlap the dispensers a bit to get full coverage

[crystal apex]

its one big venn diagram

[livid yarrow]

is it true that u can have a unlimited number of horticrafting stations?

[wraith mason]

Why wouldn't you? They are expensive tho

[serene summit]

I currently only have tier 1 seeds to mess around with

[rigid stream]

Does anyone have hard evidence about whether map quant affects Tier ups or not?

[jolly radish]

my first t2 harvest xd

[violet nymph]

can anyone explain what the no. 3 and 2 stand for?

[velvet helm]

Can someone explain growth cycles to me?

[autumn surge]

every time you collect new seeds 1 cycle happens

[wheat breach]

Does anyone have any data on the weightng to get crafts from the seeds?

[thorny vortex]

@violet nymph those are spots where you can plan to sow tier 2/3 seeds and funnel the energy from elsewhere into them

[violet nymph]

oooh

thanks

[sour mountain]

d4nk

the 3 and 2 mean that there are 3 and 2 landmines in the adjacent tiles respectively

right click to place a flag on them

[violet nymph]

what about the big squares that say "primal, wild, vivid" are they collectors, dispersers, storage? what are they

[thorny vortex]

xD

[sour mountain]

big squares are collectors

[thorny vortex]

those are collector spots for t1 seeds

[violet nymph]

alright thanks

[sour mountain]

my setup is dirty af compared to this one

[thorny vortex]

i remember this being posted, or in a similar thread, if it might help someone with how to wire things together up there

[ruby roost]

can some1 explain me why some seeds dont grow in my garden? :D i planted them at same time

what the fuck is happening

[carmine zenith]

They might be tier2 and you haven't met req @ruby roost

[ruby roost]

every1 is a auto planted t1

every single one at same time

[carmine zenith]

Hmmmm

No clue yikers

[ruby roost]

i have done like 6-7 cycles, nothing is changing

[carmine zenith]

Bug?

[ruby roost]

probably, maybe some1 from ggg will take a look?

[jagged surge]

just replace all

[thorny vortex]

they dont progress even if you dont harvest the ones that do grow?

[ruby roost]

ill see now

[thorny vortex]

i mean, how things are piped together shouldnt matter i think...dunno what im thinking why it could be related

[rigid stream]

Are they Off a Higher lvl than the Zone you are running

You cant grow seeds Form Maps in quarry^^

[ruby roost]

whats the reason? :O

[rigid stream]

Cause you shouldnt Spam quarry?

And do Maps instead

[ruby roost]

but i mean theres any information about it? i didnt know it honestly

[rigid stream]

Its an incentive to do real content

[ruby roost]

i did it cuz friend told me he farmed quarry for 2 hours

[rigid stream]

Yes you can do that, with the quarry lvl seeds

However they are Limited in what they can do

And the instance doesnt drop shit

[ruby roost]

so i cant plant seeds from quarry

[rigid stream]

You can

You cant use map Tier seeds in quarry

It only grows Up to lvl 65 seeds

[ruby roost]

oh, so if i want to plant everything, i need to do it teleporting to garden from ho?

[rigid stream]

Your Hideout is lvl 60, so no

It depends on the seed lvl. If they are too high for the area lvl they wont grow, there is a +2 lvl leeway

[ruby roost]

emm, it means i need to plant them from map? xD

[rigid stream]

No

You have to click a seedcache in a map

To grow them

Where you plant them is irrelevant

The only Thing that Matters is the seed lvl and the lvl of the Cache you click

[ruby roost]

ok, so i cant plant 66+ in area lv 63 garden, so what im supposed to do now, to grow these 66, cuz i dropped them all from quarry

and at same time i cant plant them in this area

[rigid stream]

Quarry doesnt drop 66s

Quarry Drops 65s

And can grow 65s

You can do Higher lvl Content to grow the 66s

[ruby roost]

ok, so now, if i want to grow 67 ilv seeds from t2 maps, then i cant run like 69 ilv maps, right?

i mean 70 ilv*

[rigid stream]

Which lvl are the seeds

70?

[thorny vortex]

i think he's saying if you're spamming quarry they might not be growing if they happened to be higher level seeds you got elsewhere?

[rigid stream]

Yes

[hexed crown]

Anyone have a good setup for harvest?

Nvm, just checked the pinned xd

[frigid jasper]

you can check reddit for a more casual setup than the one on pinned

[inner notch]

any1 got a practical use for the div exchange craft? im abit lost on what to use it for, expect for hoping for some high tier card? 🤔

[crystal apex]

well its just a no harm gamble

so put any div in there

and hope for the best

[lost sphinx]

Interesting, it seems once you outlevel a zone by a specific number it can no longer spawn seed caches

just ran through some random act 1-5 zones and didn't spawn seeds

does anyone know the specific mechanic here?

I assume it's to prevent quarry abuse

[rigid stream]

after 8 lvls? it stops spawnin

[glass current]

why are these seeds saying they're not getting any more lifeforce? they're connected to tanks that still have hundreds of lifeforce left

[lost sphinx]

@rigid stream quarry (level 63) is still spawning them, and I outlevel that by 20 levels

[rigid stream]

yes thats cause you are never treated as higher than lvl 68

[lost sphinx]

I see

thx a lot

[rigid stream]

@glass current just a visual thing, if autodisperse its on its working

[glass current]

alright thanks

[lost sphinx]

I think quarry farming is going to be pretty insane for high end crafting, just for crazy rate you can pump out things like target annuls

[rigid stream]

no

its limited by Ilvl and cant procc the best crafts

[lost sphinx]

but it can proc removes

[void wing]

You're still restricted by the 10? Ilevel limit.

[rigid stream]

limited by Ilvl

you cant craft high end gear with them

[void wing]

So if you're fine with crafting ilvl 73 then sure.

[rigid stream]

you can craft mid tier gear with them

which is fine? its effort afterall

[void wing]

For many cases it will still be worth doing it I think.

[lost sphinx]

so if an item has a high ilvl physical modifier, I can't use "remove a physical modifier"

I'm talking specifically about the remove x outcome

[void wing]

The craft is unusable outside the ilvl range, doesn't matter what it is.

[rigid stream]

you can only use them up to ilvl 73

[lost sphinx]

I see

[rigid stream]

so most influence mods dont work

no easy explode chest^^

[lost sphinx]

so the bench just outright rejects any item with a higher ilvl than +10 of the monster level?

[rigid stream]

it doesnt reject the item, the craft just says nope

[lost sphinx]

there's gotta be a lot of cases where you can make really crazy +2 skill amulets with using low level bases to limit mod pool

that kind of stuff

[hasty perch]

Can just use it for juice too

[steel parcel]

I want my crafting bench, I want to save the good crafts

why 1800 energy... Cries

[rigid stream]

im not sure this is supposed to be a thing

[mighty prairie]

https://imgur.com/d8xb59K where do the tier 3 setups go here?

to the top right?

[frigid jasper]

Switch t2 with t3

[mighty prairie]

untilI get the t4s?

ah

okay

[rigid stream]

i dont think that is in any shape or form neccesary right now^^ you wont have enough T2+ seeds to fill that out

especially the T4 is basically wasted space

[frigid jasper]

^

[rigid stream]

Even with heavy grinding you can maybe get a full field of T2s in a couple hours and thats with very wastefull craft usage

you can expect roughly 1 T2 seed per full field of T1

[frigid jasper]

These setups are just places where u can put seeds, you dont have to have the exact seeds in those spots, you have to swap them

[rigid stream]

maybe 1.2

[golden heath]

surely they developed the map for a 100% perfect space right?

We just haven't figured it out yet

[rigid stream]

no they didnt^^

[violet nymph]

to progress growth cycle do you just click the seed thing? or actually go into the grove?

[real elm]

just click

[violet nymph]

k

[cedar wigeon]

Do you need exact seed lvl to get better crafts?

meaning can I get 6 link craft on low lvl seed?

[mighty prairie]

just click what? how do I trigger a growth phase?

[dense drift]

Is there anything good to do with stored lifeforce really early on? Just don't have a need for the crafts

[cobalt field]

You probably need at least a lv 50 seed for 6l

Click a seed cache in any zone to advance the timer

Just store life force once you're done crafting

[hardy thicket]

Is there a way to use the life force once its been stored in the tanks, to make more pylons/tanks/despersers?

[void wing]

Not after you condense it.

[still hull]

i just found a bug with a tier 3 craft

it said:

Sacrifice a Weapon or Armour to create a Ring with similar modifiers

but when i did it i got an amulet

[rigid stream]

Yea that happens

Its a wierd Ring

[void wing]

Known bug iirc.

[sudden laurel]

does wintertide lose stages when it is removed?

[violet nymph]

anyone know how the change a stack of essences into a different of the same tier works? do i use it on corruption or essence of horror or what

[leaden storm]

i've only had regular essences to use it on, and it worked for those

[fallen tulip]

is that a new layout @mighty prairie

just more storages?

[unique jay]

Can you use storage life force to craft? I cant make a horticulturist even with 1800 in storage

Also what does it even do

[leaden storm]

no to #1

horti bench stores crafts for later

which are otherwise lost

when leaving the grove and reentering again

[pale lichen]

Anyone can tell me which T1 seed should I go for to remove global crit multi from an item ?

[leaden storm]

to craft the horti bench you need to get 1800 life force in one harvest, done using t2 or t3 seeds

[unique jay]

Oh so I need 18000 all at once I see

[leaden storm]

or t4 i guess

yes

[unique jay]

Thank you!! Was going crazy with pylons lol

[leaden storm]

ofc, no worries

cute dog in avatar

[pale lichen]

Anyone can tell me which T1 seed should I go for to remove global crit multi from an item ?
@pale lichen Or at least what type of mod Global Crit Multi is

[leaden storm]

it's a crit mod

so whatever seed removes crit

[pale lichen]

so none

i think

Actually T2 Viper does

[vast gazelle]

@sudden laurel when a wintertide brand is removed it applies a short dot in the area vbased on the removed brand’s stages

and each brand is entirely separate

[lusty egret]

can someone explain

how exactly is this person connecting storages

https://i.imgur.com/Bx85MyR.png

[leaden storm]

like this

but remove all but the left storage cluster

[lusty egret]

wait

but I mean

theres no option to let u run a wire between storages is there

[autumn snow]

no, you have to connect one pylon to three storage

[rigid stream]

There is a crit seed, its primal T2

[crude eagle]

So quick question, with the crafts in Harvest does the item level of the seed lock the enchantment level? So if I use a ilvl 86 base, and a ilvl 76 seed, would you be able to roll a ilvl 85 mod

[leaden storm]

@lusty egret did you figure it out?

you connect the leftmost storages to the single pylon on the left

and then the all three to the right side pylon

then rightmost pylon carries forward

[wise carbon]

Hey, just a quick question - perhaps someone already knows this.
Does the zone level, in which I loot seeds, have to be higher than the planted seed's for growth cycles to count towards growing the seed?
I have some seeds planted that spawn lvl 68 monsters and currently running blood aqueduct, picking seeds there doesn't seem to grow most of my seeds in the garden.

I'm wondering if it's the level difference case or is something else going on here.

[final dagger]

Is there a list of all possible harvest crafts somewhere?

Like, ALL of them individually, not just "X seed gives 3-6 links"

[runic zephyr]

if a craft says "level 67" it means that it cannot be used on items that are higher than 67?

[rigid stream]

+10

So 67 can Roll Up to 77

[runic zephyr]

so 77?

ah k

anyone wants to use my "removes a random defence mod" max lvl 77? idk if its rare
or "turn harbinger unique into beachhead", as i got no harbinger unique.

[rigid stream]

To get the good results you need 76 seeds, so... T8?

[runic zephyr]

oh

you mean the mod level if the craft is adding a mod?

but for removing a mod it shouldnt matter? or am i missing something?

[rigid stream]

Same Limits as adding a mod

[runic zephyr]

so it cant remove a mod when its... too high level? that sounds like it wont be a problem, i mean usually you want to remove bad tier mods anyways right?

[rigid stream]

But 76 seeds, so craft lvl 86, can roll all mods

Nah its Not mod lvl but itemlvl. But what i mean is, some mods need Ilvl 86

[runic zephyr]

ah, i see
so i assume remove defence mod up to 77 is not rare? and turn unique into beachhead? the beachhead one is expensive af so i thought its rare

[rigid stream]

The beachhead one is rare

Remove a defence Mod is hmm somewhat uncommon? You dont See it every Set of 24, but every third Set maybe?

[runic zephyr]

ah, i see
well rip beachhead craft then... i dont even know any harbinger uniques lmao

[rigid stream]

Uh you should be able to buy them for medium ammout of currency

But thats why you should Always aim to get a horticraft early

[runic zephyr]

yea i can decide between getting this horticraft and the beachhead

the cheapest harbinger unique is 8c and the cheapest beachhead is 15c... well, just hoping for luck i guess

[rigid stream]

The beachhead is maybe the blue one

Which is Worth much more than 8C

[lusty egret]

ok thanks for the help... except now I have a different problem

[runic zephyr]

got the 30c one

[lusty egret]

my harvest league is frozen or something? I cant highlight anything

I cant plant, harvest

or even remove

[rigid stream]

Rezone

It sometimes derps Out and doesnt Show the ui

[lusty egret]

ok its fixed

[runic zephyr]

holy fuck, the perandus craft seems to be good, turned a shitty 2 alch unique into 1250 coins

oh

the second harbinger unique turned into the 1.2ex beachhead

well. thats cool i guess.

[mortal yarrow]

@leaden storm cyzin can you try explain something my tired head cant understand properly

[leaden storm]

i can try i guess

[runic zephyr]

giving away fire -> cold res (max 77) fast before i discard.

[mortal yarrow]

what're the requirements for a seed to grow?

i see the harvest monster level but i dont see anything telling me what map level i need to run minimum to make them grow

[runic zephyr]

it says how many cycles it needs

[mortal yarrow]

yah but it doesnt move on too low map levels

[hasty perch]

someone has the link for optimal garden placement plz?

[livid yarrow]

there are quite a few now actualy

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NnAHWdxPcK6olfrMEsVur8mhGGnGZj38ZhQE030FsAM/htmlview?usp=sharing&pru=AAABcvrkZvk*EenMw7-uzocAF8K73X7tkw#

i like this one

maybe not the absolute best optimized, but easy to udnerstand

[leaden storm]

@mortal yarrow i don't actually know for sure but i think it's probably within 10 levels, just speculation though i have no facts on that

[mortal yarrow]

i was thinking 10 levels also hmm

[runic zephyr]

man i wish they make it so that you can auto plant t2 and t3 seeds too... i want a field just for t3 that i can click once, slap my 24 seeds in and go... and not clicky clicky...

[hasty perch]

ty

[livid yarrow]

wqhats the requirment to get t2 seeds anyway? sometimes when i open 3 full gardens of t1 seeds i get not a single t2 seed

[green hill]

Got a question about a collecter being harvested. Once I click harvest, kill the spawns and it goes into crafting mode. Will it remain in that mode forever, across instances, or will it dissapear and the life force will be gone as well.

[livid yarrow]

its gonna dissapear

[void wing]

It will stay that way only for that instance, also any growth cycles will kill it.

The seed rarity is so scuffed it's starting to get on my nerves.

90% of my purple seeds are either physical or caster.

[jagged surge]

y same

seems the specific elemental dmg is rare

[void wing]

It's not like the element seeds are going to be handing out free targeted anuls/exalts anyways.

The layered RNG I was expecting tbh.

But they really balanced it.

[jagged surge]

i think t2 seeds are too rare

harvested 6 full fields and got 1 t2

[livid yarrow]

i dont understand t2 seeds, sometimes i get 8-12, sometimes i get 0

[rigid stream]

Thats called rng

[frigid iris]

why aren't these growing at all?

[rigid stream]

Average its 1-1.5 per field

[green hill]

I would want them to just buff and scale seed tiers/seed amount with map quality and map tier

Then at least selling/accumulating seeds will worth it

[slow wolf]

does "set an implicit on a cluster jewel" change the implicit

or add one?

[frigid iris]

change

[serene summit]

What's the most optimal set-up for Harvest Starters when placing their Primal "incubator"?

cuz that's what I just unlocked

[rigid stream]

It adds one, jewels dont have an implicit

Cluster jewels have an enchantment

[serene summit]

for those who ask, this is the setup for starting. it will NOT remain like this the further I go.

at least, what I use atm

it's different for all

[rigid stream]

I mean, thats fine? Eventually you want to add some storage areas and 3-4 of each collector to plant T1 seeds

And Pylons. Hundreds and hundreds of Pylons

[ashen lotus]

Trying to craft a low lvl chaos wand, do chaos seeds drop more in act 3? Act 1 is mostly purple seeds, that I at least know.

[polar path]

So how long is a growth cycle exactly?

[serene summit]

and maybe even some hortcraft devices, at least, if I want to store the ones who I can use the most efficiently. Like chaos damage

[rigid stream]

Hortis are fairly expensive

[serene summit]

yea, like 1,800 Life Force for just one

jeez

[mortal yarrow]

1800 is easy to come by later on

[tight dome]

can you get the 6 socket craft from Vivid Leech Seeds at any seed level?

[rigid stream]

You probably need lvl 50

[mortal yarrow]

Also item level must be within 10 levels of your seed

[dense summit]

I like how esh breaches are basically a game of "lmao where'd my zombies go"

[tight dome]

but i guess the weighting is much lower than higher level seeds?

[rigid stream]

How high does the lifeforce on T1 seeds Go at ilvl 86?

[mortal yarrow]

uhhh

21 units each on a lvl 83 @rigid stream

[jagged surge]

atleast i found a way to abuse the harvest mechanic, time to make some dough XD

[mortal yarrow]

lots of ways to abuse it

[jagged surge]

y

but didnt think i would find such a way

[rigid stream]

Thats Uh 950 lifeforce on a full harvest?

Roughly

[mortal yarrow]

uhh

no

around 500

[rigid stream]

Thats wierd

On lower lvls mapquant Almost Doubles the amount you get

[mortal yarrow]

odd

[celest barn]

i thought you have to grow and harvest T2 seeds by using different coloured collectors (Wild Collector for Vivid or Primal seeds, etc.) but i have Primal T2 seeds in my Wild collector but it won't harvest even with 8 seeds ready. Am i getting this wrong? Do you harvest with same Wild Collector -> Wild seeds? You just need to irrigate with different coloured lifeforce?

[vast gazelle]

right so

you always put the seeds in the same colored collector

higher tiers just need to be watered with different color juice

[celest barn]

ahhhh need to regrow i guess

thanks for responding!

[limpid orbit]

I am just trying to build my garden following this guide: https://imgur.com/a/kzQvwsr

And I am wondering: Don't higher tier seeds always require 4 adjacent lower tier seeds to grow? According to that the T4 seeds in the image have no chance to grow.

[gentle juniper]

Did anyone test that if the plant is fully grown if it takes the lifeforce every turn until I harvest it?

[wanton rivet]

im p sure it doesnt keep leeching if its grown

[gentle juniper]

oki

[south gulch]

Is there a mod list somewhere regarding what counts as attack/physical/caster, etc?

[royal gale]

poe.db has this

[south gulch]

Where? Someone else said that too, but I can't find it

Ohhh it's just on the mods page, I didn't realize those were the tags. Thank you

[raw magnet]

i'm getting really confused on how much t2 seeds drain from my tanks. am i supposed to have auto-disperse on permanently?

[south gulch]

I just manually disperse so that I know exactly where my juice is going

[raw magnet]

i also seem to have this issue. those seeds need primal juice yet nothing is happening..

[south gulch]

The amount drained is listed on the seed before any lifeforce is given to it that cycle

If you hover over the greyed out manual disperse, it will tell you how much lifeforce you're missing

[raw magnet]

yes, it's missing xx primal juice.

[south gulch]

a dispenser will not dispense any unless it has enough to cover every seed in its square that needs that type of lifeforce

[raw magnet]

i think i have enough

[south gulch]

Check the connections - is it definitely connected?

[raw magnet]

i'll recheck again but it's like this on almost all my seeds then and again

i come in to check, eveything flashes red, yet they grow

and sometimes they don't

[south gulch]

what does it say if you hover over the red seed?

[rigid stream]

its sometimes just a visual thing

[raw magnet]

i mean the blue jizzer is shooting juice as we speak

[rigid stream]

then its fine

[south gulch]

might just be visual then, yeah

[rigid stream]

ignore the desync

[south gulch]

This is why I do manual

it's very clear then what's working

lol

[raw magnet]

i mean it feels like i've legit waited for these for 30 maps now

"1 growth cycle"

[rigid stream]

then something is not right, unless auto fertilise is turned off

[south gulch]

what level maps?

[raw magnet]

t14-t16

[south gulch]

hmm

seed level isn't the issue then

the fact that it says it's missing xx primal juice

[raw magnet]

no i mean everything seems to be 100% right, connection is check as well

[south gulch]

makes me think it has to be a connection issue

I don't know otherwise

[raw magnet]

i mean i'm watching it jizz juice right now 😂

[south gulch]

try turning off automatic for a few cycles

and do it manually

[raw magnet]

yeah

i'll just do everything manually to be honest

it's just so ..... many....

[south gulch]

Really? D= I have like barely any to do, feel like I don't get enough seeds to have a lot of t2+

lol

then again I'm not in high tier maps

[magic tendon]

Is there anywhere I can buy bulk seeds?

[raw magnet]

me neither, unfortunately you don't get more seeds in higher maps

[rigid stream]

people dont have enough to bulk sell^^

[south gulch]

They didn't add seeds to bulk item exchange yet, unfortunately

@raw magnet that's what I've heard

I just got 12 seeds from 1 map and freaked out cause I got so many

lol

[raw magnet]

but i mean this single one has 8 distributors, x3 for each color. and the T3+ seed ones have 12 per color, so 36 + 24 = 60 i have to click manually

[south gulch]

should be like 15+ seeds from each map to actually feel like I'm having fun with the mechanic

[raw magnet]

yeah, there's been a lot of good suggestions on reddit (add league mobs to the maps to drop seeds etc), but i'm honestly shocked they released it in this state

[south gulch]

put the same color seeds under the same dispenser

shouldn't need that many dispensers unless it's for a t4 seed spot

[raw magnet]

well the dispensers cover the entire area with both juices this way

[south gulch]

Yeah, but then you have to click so many manually 😄 haha

it would make sense if auto distribute was working for you

I don't know why it's not honestly

I hope it gets fixed

[raw magnet]

what's a "growth cycle" anyway?

i remember i ran like 5 maps without checking in on the thing and went back in, nothing had changed at all

[tranquil void]

i think you need to click the seed in map! if you ignore it , it will not activate the cycle maybe

[raw magnet]

hmm, cause i clicked the actual thing to get the seeds from the map, but never entered the portal

everything is so weird

[tranquil void]

yeah! maybe you also need to enter portal!

[raw magnet]

gonna try the free harvest exalt slam!

[south gulch]

growth cycle = 1 click of the seed thing

and maybe need to enter portal

Not sure there

[raw magnet]

better start entering i guess

[south gulch]

yeah

[raw magnet]

before:

woo free slam

[ashen lotus]

Finally got the chaos wands. Now uuh..jewels I guess.

Looks like spamming life/attack seeds can get you good melee jewels?

Pre: Inc max life, Inc global phys, Suffix: Inc melee dmg, Inc global crit mult.

Looks like two ideal sets, one RT and one crit.

[spiral cosmos]

How do you grow tier 2+

Do the distributors always have to be ON?

[violet nymph]

What to do after failing bugged last boss fight? Dont have seed in the middle nor Oshabi. Doing red maps do nothing. Should I rise T4 again?

[sinful oxide]

whats the vivd tier four seed called?

i think the cheat sheet for it is old

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/hcjor3/cheat_sheet_seed_crafting_v20/

[violet nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/291346874714292225/724963547360133130/tajyum297j651.png

im looking at this picture

and I did it in my sacred grove

I don't know how im gonna connect the last pylon on bottom with collector

anyone got this stuff setup who can send me a pic or smthng?

[rigid stream]

what kind of abonimation is that

its gonna look horrible

everything is littered with storage tanks and your cables are doing some janky overlap

[runic rune]

hey guys, i was following this garden setup https://tr.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/hd9fut/extreme_garden_setup_max_rewards_googlesheets_and/ apperently he updated and added t4 for links but i see no way i can grow t3 farms now, anyone can help?

[violet nymph]

idk I hate the layout of this thing in general

[spiral cosmos]

It's on the bottom right

Just copy paste it and remove stuff

[rigid stream]

At what point do people realise that this isnt neccesary and that its even detrimental on how you play cause everything is littered with clicky things?

[harsh gulch]

hi

[blissful spindle]

Anyone know what happens if you die to your plants? You lose them/

[wanton rivet]

Afaik u can still fight if u die

[blissful spindle]

cool, thanks

[narrow whale]

if i have unused crafting options on a collector do i lose them if i leave the grove

want to go buy an astral plate for one of them

[foggy sluice]

I have use recall to go to town successfully. Not sure how far you can go though

[tight dirge]

does the quantity from the map affect the amount of tier 2 seeds you get from a harvest?

[keen needle]

Is there a way to trade seeds in bulk? Doing it through the trade site 1 by 1 is annoying af

[unkempt dome]

I think found a bug. (just reported)

[jagged surge]

bleed mod is not counted as an attack mod afaik

nvm, actually do count, so might be a bug yes

nvm again im getting tired

you cant remove mods that would put it under a minimum limit for a rare item

[next epoch]

are you sure? it's perfectly possible to create a zero-mod rare by other methods

[jagged surge]

so you need to slam another affix on there and then you are able to remove that attack mod

yes with annul

but it works diffrently then a craft

annul straight up deletes the mod no matter what, crafting or in this case you"uncraft" the mod

[keen needle]

then the error message is still wrong though

[lethal glacier]

Can anyone help me with my grove? Followed a post on reddit, but some disperser's are still saying they need condensed lifeforce even though i have plenty in storage tanks..

[jagged surge]

probably an oversight ye

[keen needle]

@lethal glacier do they have the right color?

[lethal glacier]

Yes - I followed the routing twice, still same issue :X

[keen needle]

and the lines aren't broken from the storage tanks?

[lethal glacier]

Correct

[keen needle]

In that case

are you using the correct color for the seed you're trying to water?

[lethal glacier]

Yes, https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/he1a68/simpleclean_garden_setup/?sort=new is the guide i used

the not simple guide - i followed his instructions on routing, after the first one not working i completely removed all and did it over again

[keen needle]

yeah that's basically the same as mine, so it should function fine

[rare pulsar]

Hello guys, could anybody explain how to store crafts in the horticrafting station?

[keen needle]

but yeah, if those three requirements are all met, then idk why it's saying that bud, might be a bug. You want me to come look at it? @lethal glacier

[lethal glacier]

either that or I can stream it for you

[keen needle]

I can just hop in

[lethal glacier]

Salient_Harvest

[keen needle]

Aigh

[hardy juniper]

anyone encountered a bug where u cant interact with anything in your farm?

none of the ui even shows up

[upbeat blade]

do seeds spawn in unique maps?

@hardy juniper enter in a new area for ur farm

[hardy juniper]

ya i did

tried relogging too and completely quiting the game

[unkempt dome]

open new instance

ctrl click

[hardy juniper]

thx

[hazy cave]

Does this count as a physical modifier. If I use the remove a phys modifier harvest craft will it remove this?

[jagged surge]

accordingly to poedb its not an attack mod

[final dagger]

What are the rules for ilvl and seed level? How close do they have to be to each other in order to use seed crafts on an item?

[jagged surge]

seed lvl +10

[final dagger]

So if the ilvl of the item is 75 and you have a seed level of 65 it should work?

[jagged surge]

y

[final dagger]

awesome ty!

[hazy cave]

Does this maintain the same tier of roll or can it be any?

[violet nymph]

any

you'll probably get shit roll

[wet harbor]

People making up plans to have 20 farms going at once and I can't dig up enough seeds to keep 3 full

[quiet rock]

are T2 seeds' ilvl based on the T1 seed they come from, or the level of the zone?

[mild pine]

Not sure, I'm guessing they a random with some rarer than others, but could be dependent?

[sinful oxide]

whats the best T3 seed so far?

[green cove]

what counts as an attack modifier for harvest?

craftofexile removed their harvest filter

[tawny karma]

https://poedb.tw/us/mod.php
select your base item and you'll see all the affixes with their tags

[green cove]

sweet

does harvest have add an X type mod or only remove an X type mod? not counting the complete reroll option

[tawny karma]

it has "augment an item with x" but its pretty rare

[violet nymph]

So, the seeds have different levels, I'd assume we need different instance lv to grow them, am I correct?

[sinful oxide]

what t2 seeds are worth buying?

[tropic yarrow]

@violet nymph Yes, you can't, for instance, plant yellow map seeds and run quarry to have them sprout. Not sure what the level gap is, but it definitely exists.

@sinful oxide nobody knows yet. Experiment around. Who knows, you may find something new.

[sinful oxide]

in turns of drop rate of seeds, will T2 always drop a T3?

[violet nymph]

@tropic yarrow got it.

[sinful oxide]

what do we know about drop rates so far for seeds

[copper kernel]

its rng

nothing is guaranteed

[sinful oxide]

rng can be weighted

[tropic yarrow]

There is a rough distribution of seed drops for each type, and blue seem to drop less than purple/yellow

[sinful oxide]

as far as i can see i have never gotten a T2 seed from a grove

[tropic yarrow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/hduo6n/tier_1_seed_odds/

[copper kernel]

seed pods drop only t1s afaik

[tropic yarrow]

Wild (Purple):

75 Wild Hellion (Physical)
59 Wild Ursaling (Caster)
45 Wild Thornwolf (Socket Color)
19 Wild Ape (Fire)
3 Wild Hatchling (Currency Conversion)

Vivid (Yellow):

80 Vivid Weta (Life)
61 Vivid Arachnid (Attack)
46 Vivid Leech (Socket Number)
14 Vivid Scorpion (Cold)
1 Vivid Thornweaver (Speed)

Primal (Blue):

88 Primal Dustspitter (Lightning)
73 Primal Rhoa (Defense)
29 Primal Maw (Chaos)
26 Primal Feasting (Socket Link)
5 Primal Cleaveling (Unique)

[sinful oxide]

In the end do we know if each seed only drops the seeds that are a Tier above them?

[tropic yarrow]

Basically, the top 2 types of each color are most likely to drop. The third -> fifth seem to get progressively less likely to drop.

Yes, T1 can drop T2, T2 can drop T3.

T2 seed level is T1 seed level +2 so far for me

T2 seed drops are not restricted by the type of T1 seed it comes from (so you can get all T2 seed types from any of the T1 seeds I believe)

I would assume this also works for T3 seeds, etc.

[sinful oxide]

i would say the T3 seed abberarach is worth going for due to it's reliable returns

[tropic yarrow]

But you can't "go for" a seed. It's random. Layers upon layers of RNG

You can't pick which colors of T1 seeds drop, so you can't target farm T2 seeds. And so forth.

[sinful oxide]

unless your ssf you can go for what seeds you want

at the low drop rates i feel like they are made to be traded atm

[tropic yarrow]

You can't bulk trade for them right now though.

I mean, they are listed, sure, but you can't use the bulk trade option which means you're not really going to be able to gather seeds save through chat or the like

[sinful oxide]

thats true at this point

the razorleg grain looks to be an amazing seed for gem flippers

[rigid stream]

From my odds, about... 1600-2000 seeds... They are evenly distributed between Wild Vivid and Primal

And something thats a Bit hard to confirm is, it seems Like T2 Drops are affected by Map Quantity, but thats a Bit hard to tell. Its around 0.9-1.3 T2 Drops per 24 T1 seeds

[violet nymph]

i like how they removed the "downsides" of zana missions

not sure if it was in patch notes anywhere

but there's no more "don't die in zana's map" or "defeat monsters to increase the timer"

[frigid iris]

after 20 or so runs of Aqueduct, Oshabi stopped appearing

I guess this is intentional?

[cobalt falcon]

Can we put map for harvest craft physical/caster things

Like free alchemy? Or not

[woeful halo]

yeah you can use Harvest crafts on maps,

[violet nymph]

@frigid iris she stops appearing when you get high enough level afaik

that being said that doesn't apply to maps

[frigid iris]

I see

Does she appear in every map or it is like a 10% chance as per other league mechanics?

[violet nymph]

every map

[frigid iris]

oh

spicy

[violet nymph]

league mechanics during their league always appear every map

it's afterward that they occur occasionally

[frigid iris]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does each Seed Cache you use count as one growth cycle? cuz that was the gist I got from it

[violet nymph]

yes

but if you're using them in areas too far under the level of your planted seeds they will not grow

[frigid iris]

oh

that's why those T2 seeds I posted here yesterday weren't growing at all

I had all the requirements and only the seeds around them were growing

[velvet vector]

Is "spell damage" a "cold modifier"? Or is spell damage just a caster mod

[ocean narwhal]

caster mod

it's got nothing to do with cold damage

[violet nymph]

@velvet vector look up mods on poedb. The mod pools of specific item slots are notated with what each mod is pooled under. Like onslaught on hit is a speed mod, so you could slam that if you had MS already

If they lack a notation, then it wont be affected by anything normally for the purpose of harvest

[rigid stream]

Soo, how high is the Droprate for T3 seeds roughly?

[river bane]

where can i find what each mod is considered for harvest crafting? i.e. is non chaos as extra chaos considered a caster modifier

[rigid stream]

Poedb

[cloud moth]

is the 99.5% space efficient gardening setup. All tiers. Connection guides in comment. setup really needed ?

[copper kernel]

no

[shy dagger]

does anyone have the new jewel implicits somewhere on poedb?

i couldn't find it anywhere but i might be dumb

[copper kernel]

isnt it just the corruptions

[shy dagger]

i dont think so

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2872963

you can see 3 at the bottom of this post

[copper kernel]

oooh

[shy dagger]

@hollow wharf any idea?

[thorny relic]

In the grove, the "Randomize the numeric value of a xxx modifier" can change the rank of the modifier or a P3 will always stay P3 ?

[rigid stream]

its a tagrted divine

[copper kernel]

that craft is basically a divine

[rigid stream]

so no

[hollow wharf]

@shy dagger https://poedb.tw/us/Jewel

[shy dagger]

thank you!

man those are all kinda silly

[void wing]

Cluster jewels also got significantly harder to roll.

[serene summit]

I just picked up a T2 seed

[rigid stream]

most seeds can start dropping lvl 16

[serene summit]

got this while I was harvesting my t1 Wild seeds

[neat spear]

Grow cycle are not progressing when doing low level maps. Do we know the threshold ?

[rigid stream]

+4 i believe

[serene summit]

can we make additional Dispersers?

[rigid stream]

yes

as many as you like

[serene summit]

k, cuz right now, I only have 1

And it's allocated to disperse Vivid life-energy

[rigid stream]

You can only Store 5000 in the seed storage. However i dont think there are 5000 Slots in the Garden so

[mild shell]

Do we know if harvest crafts follow meta craft mods? Couldnt find anything about it.

[rigid stream]

Not a Lot of poeple have tried, its early in the League and people dont have a Lot of ex to spare. Also there is very little need for Meta crafting with how powerful harvest is

[violet nymph]

underrated dialogue

[void wing]

Has anyone else noticed all the pylon connections bouncing when you tab back in? It's quite amusing.

[quaint saddle]

Is there fast way of getting seeds to plant? i am at maps now

[static juniper]

so which garden setup people are using ?

[void wing]

You can use the auto plant button on a collector, it prioritises seeds from your inventory and will then pull from your seed stash.

Figure out what you want in your garden, then copy layouts or modify existing ones.

[quaint saddle]

oops sorry i meant to say is there a fast way of farming seeds? the Quarry doesn't cut it anymore lol

[jagged surge]

fastest way is to clear maps faster 😛

[quaint saddle]

true im probably going to roll a new character because Earthshatter is far too slow

[void wing]

This is mine so far. Gonna have a main bus style thing going around to the higher tier farms.

[quaint saddle]

i am using one a reddit user shared

[void wing]

I was initially planning to put my storage bank at the top, but having it right at the entrance is a nice instant visual indicator of how much juice I have.

[rigid stream]

Your Setup isnt good

You are wasting lifeforce on the T2s

And on the T3s as well

Its much more Important to be seed efficient than to be space efficient

[serene summit]

In your honest opinion, Tunbart, what's the most efficient setup you will ever need when you reach end-game harvest?

[rigid stream]

Plant 4 of each for T1, make a single setup for Higher lvl seeds and Swap the collector around

[serene summit]

cause right now my setup is wonkey, though i'm not end game yet

[rigid stream]

You absolutely dont need a Setup for T2 T3 T4 each

You need 20 fields of 24 average to make single T2 field of 24 seeds.

And because it Takes fairly Long and the best way is to Always have a full field of 24... You dont need These janky Setups because if you do it once every 100 Maps or so for T3... You can Fiddle a Bit to adjust it and it wont bother you

[fluid pollen]

How to spawn the bosses?

[copper kernel]

sprout a t4 seed

[rigid stream]

Get T4 seeds

[runic zephyr]

the level of an area does not matter for harvesting grown plants right?

[rigid stream]

Yes and no

[fluid pollen]

Is it guaranteed from T4 seeds?

[rigid stream]

Map Quantity affects the Drops and the Monsters drop map divcards

The Monster lvl is dictated by seedlvl though

[runic zephyr]

but for progressing it doesnt matter?

[rigid stream]

So Low lvl seeds still Spawn lowlvl Monsters with lowlvl Drops

[runic zephyr]

because i just realized i can just plant a shitload of seeds, click a dozen of quarry seed caches, and then harvest them in a juiced map

[rigid stream]

You can do that, but already at T1 seeds you have 1/3 of the Juice and on T2 its even more of a gap

So map seeds are Worth much, much more

[runic zephyr]

i mean planting map seeds and just abusing quarry to spam a lot of cycle to make them grow

for target farming harvest without having to map a lot

[rigid stream]

You can do that, But you are ilvl restricted

[serene summit]

I should always plant the seeds I can, right?

[rigid stream]

Depends, do you have horticrafts?

The 6L seed is pretty good and you dont want to waste it

[serene summit]

Considering I can't afford it yet, no

and a 6l seed is somewhere near endgame, i'm not there yet

[rigid stream]

Should appear Starting lvl 50?

But thats Limited to very Low lvl items so If you are lvling, you can Just do whatever

[flint crescent]

Is there a list somewhere of what modifiers count as 'Physical' "Caster' 'Attack' etc.?

[blissful spindle]

^ this

If im trying to roll vulnerability on hit, does that count as an attack mod?

[rigid stream]

Poedb has all of them

Its physical

[flint crescent]

Sweet thanks

[blissful spindle]

thanks

[civic hull]

Can someone help with a socket colours on some str boots I need 2G2B but I got 3G1B if anyone has that harvest turn a non blue socket blue that would be ideal

[violet nymph]

at least one of my collectors (or all of them) did not advance after next seed cache activation

ohh, must be the level?

map level has to be at least that of the seed?

[rigid stream]

within a small margin, yes

[quick quarry]

Is there a list of every possible craft with harvest currently?

[long tulip]

Hi, I have a level 72 Implicit modifier on Abyss Jewelels craft in the garden. Can anyone tell me what's the maximum ilvl of Abyss Jewel I can apply this to?

[rigid stream]

82 it should be

[long tulip]

Is it +10 for all crafts?

Sorry, I should have done a search first. I found the answer, thank you for your help.

[rigid stream]

no

[wet plaza]

raid bosses are not very high upon my list of things i'd want in poe

[tepid ermine]

What does the Crushed Mod do on Bear's Girdle and how is it aquired

[jagged surge]

for the harvest link seeds, do they also add the sockets required for the guaranteed links?

[tired kiln]

can i get a T4 seed from quarry farm?

i have 7 horticrafting stations and no t4 seed yet, i might quarry farm to get a t4 seed for boss if it comes down to it

[rigid stream]

Dunno, maybe. But you cant have that many T3 seeds If you only have 7 horticrafts

[steel sinew]

Is anyone else have issues with some seeds just not growing, for no apparent reason (Inc T1 seeds?)?

[frail mirage]

@steel sinew are you farming low level zones?

[steel sinew]

Yes, does that make a difference then?

[frail mirage]

Yeah if the seeds are too much higher in level they will not grow (I don't know what the spread is)

[steel sinew]

Ah wow thanks, I had no idea

[leaden rivet]

why i cant see the icons above the crops?

[subtle wagon]

i have T2 seeds with a red light and it says that i'm not giving it enough condensed lifeforce even though i have a lot stored and i have the cables conected. Why do the red cable and dispenser not work/glow?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/405874785038368818/725370334030594158/unknown.png?width=628&height=467

same thing with this blue cable, the top one is off and the bottom one is lit. even tho they are the same

one of the two, or i'm missing something or this league is very buggy

[rigid stream]

Just Run a map and See If it works

With Auto disperse on

Usually its Just a Display issue, i have grown quite a few T2 seeds already Just fine

[subtle wagon]

i'm on a new map and it's the same

i'll just do 5 maps and see if the seeds are ready

but the cables are still off

[rigid stream]

You have to Connect them

It has to glow in the color you want to disperse

[void wing]

What's the lifeforce modifier for doing a full 24 seed harvest?

[jagged surge]

2-300 for t1

[void wing]

I meant the % more you get.

[jagged surge]

says on the seed how much it gives

[rigid stream]

50% more roughly

[steel sinew]

Is there a minimum T3 seed level to get T4 seeds?

[runic zephyr]

fuck. what is the highest tier that harvest crafts can go?

i just realized that ilvl100 items are giga trash for harvest. shit.

[frosty flicker]

What is level range btw items and crafts

[runic zephyr]

if the craft says level 70 the item can be max ilvl80

if thats what you mean

[frosty flicker]

Ok cool so its 10 levels then

[karmic flicker]

i can't see any seeds and can't control anything in sacred grove!!!!

[rigid stream]

rezone

[karmic flicker]

logout didn't fix it

[rigid stream]

go to a zone, click the cache, its fixed

[void wing]

Or you just ctrl click the waypoint icon.

[rigid stream]

doesnt work for ho grove

[void wing]

It does though.

[rigid stream]

what happens is, Grove instance in ho is still open, you go to an area, click the cache, the grove state changes but ho instance didnt close, thus it locks up to prevent abuse. if you nudge it a little it resyncs and works

[void wing]

You just ctrl click the grove icon on the right side from any waypoint and it'll create a new instance...

[runic zephyr]

what is the highest crafting level?

[jagged surge]

same as the higest map lvl

+10

[runic zephyr]

well

guess ilvl 100 bases are shit this league then

rip me

[steel sinew]

Can T4 seeds drop from lvl 67 T3 seeds?

[small wigeon]

do all t1 seeds have the same number of growth cycles?

efficiency wise, can/should I wait till i have 24 seeds to plant an entire crop so they can grow together? i really hate having a few of them ready and others not ready

[rigid stream]

Its more efficient to Open 24 at once yes

And No, different types have slightly different Growth cycles

[small wigeon]

so they do have same number of growth cycles always?

oh

[rigid stream]

The Same Type of seed yes

Since they all stack

[small wigeon]

i mean lets say tier 1 wild

[rigid stream]

There are 5 wild T1

I think T1 vary from 4-5 depending on lvl but T2 and above are all the same

[small wigeon]

cool, ty

[leaden rivet]

there's something that i need to do to see the icons above the seeds?

[drifting sonnet]

i feel like i must be missing something with this mechanic

i have this tier 4 seed that requires, in total, 480 energy / cycle and 15 cycles to grow

so 8400 condensed energy, each map gives me like 200ish energy in t1 seeds

i'm really supposed to do nothing but burn plants for the next 40 maps to grow this thing?

and not grow any other t2/t3s?

[violet nymph]

@drifting sonnet t2 and t3 seeds give significantly larger stores of energy

[drifting sonnet]

but they consume more to grow

or you mean they end up net positive?

if you don't use any of the crafts, haha

[violet nymph]

End up net positive, a t3 set of seeds ended up like 2-3k

Depends on ilvl as well

[drifting sonnet]

yeah, this is running t16s

it's a bit disappointing that the best way to actually use the t4s is to not use anything else 😦

[violet nymph]

I mean t4s are kinda broke

[drifting sonnet]

well, it felt like t2/t3s were taking forever but i never actually ran the math

until i tried to grow a t4

[rigid stream]

A full Set of medium lvl T2s gives over 5500 energy

So eh? Its Not that bad

[lavish prism]

Is there a reasonably simple garden layout that I can copy?

The pinned 99.5% layout looks cool. But that may be slightly more time than I want to spend

[leaden storm]

i would recommend the one that's one step down from the 99.5%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NnAHWdxPcK6olfrMEsVur8mhGGnGZj38ZhQE030FsAM/htmlview?usp=sharing&pru=AAABcvj7OpE*VFe-ME-ZyYuVmArnsbThDg#

im using this one

was very quick to set up

[lavish prism]

That looks a bit more reasonable. I'll try that out

Thanks!

[frosty aurora]

i like this one

non gimped t2 and t3 farms will full rewards

on juice

no t4 tho prob can fit somewhere anyway

but gimped

[vast gazelle]

imagine getting t4 seeds

[rigid stream]

Not enough T1 spots imo

[frosty aurora]

just enough

[rigid stream]

Untill you have sufficient horticrafts you need to keep Seeds and craft in Bulk, which needs more space^^

[violet nymph]

So, I have another question. Do we need to do different maps to grow the higher level seeds(lv68+)? Like, 2 Waterways only counted as 1 growth cycle... so I'd assume we need to do a different map from the same tier.

[rigid stream]

No

You can Run the Same map as much as you like

[violet nymph]

I see.

[small wigeon]

ok, time to remake my garden. This is the one i like the most: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NnAHWdxPcK6olfrMEsVur8mhGGnGZj38ZhQE030FsAM/htmlview?usp=sharing&pru=AAABcwLWBXA*6CEMXFeT8o5Y5WKUli8HIQ

any thoughts? it seems good

im failing to understand how the t2/t3 farms connect to the pylons from the row

[leaden storm]

that's basically what i have

what don't you understand?

connect the pylons from left to right

purple1 -> purple2 etc

on this line

[runic zephyr]

why tf do people fck around with spreadsheets so much lmao
the benefit of not just slapping your shit down is so minimal, you will lose currency in the time you sink into playing factorio in the grove

[celest vessel]

so for the horicraft storage do I have to link directly to the harvester or just to the network?

[vast berry]

how does general's cry work with cinderswallow recovery

[violet nymph]

i played this league for only 1 day and if you ask me it feels like essence league with stupid extra steps. does this change later on when i reach end game grinding?

[spice cipher]

no

[violet nymph]

oh okay .. wow

[vast berry]

how does blood rage work with general's cry 😛

[small wigeon]

@leaden storm thank you! i just finished setting it up and it's an amazing layout, excited to try it out