While Delerium's mechanic was oppressive in how powerful it was, it gave you something to try and constantly work against and to challenge.
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opaque galleon
eager terrace
with delirium in the core game I don't know how you go over the top of it
in terms of difficulty scaling in content
void wing
I mean you can still do delirium in current league.
opaque galleon
It doesn't necessairly have to be more difficult than delerium.
It just needs to be consistent and present.
The current fights in Harvest just feels like you're clearing regular packs of mobs.
It's uninteresting, boring. The crafting mechanic is cool, but the league lacks any real fight besides the boss. Which I don't know how strong that is.
opaque galleon
Though the blue ones can fucking shotgun ya, as a slow melee build they've killed me a few times.
dense summit
what category are minion mods under for harvest crafting? Physical? specifically minion damage
eager terrace
my main feeling is that because so much of it is loaded into crafting people are just missing too much dopamine hit of the main league mechanic dropping stuff on the ground
cobalt falcon
Is there any way to make blue plant not running all around map
eager terrace
play a freeze build haha
opaque galleon
Get more AoE
cobalt falcon
They just.. split to 5 different direction
opaque galleon
Decoy totem might be a real answer.
dense summit
Wallach: I'm sure you get this a lot but I super dig your FP totem build.
eager terrace
oh thanks
it's pretty handy this league since the aforementioned wandering mobs don't get to move
dense summit
oh those fuckers. yeah
violet nymph
i think the recent patch just fixed that
dense summit
First league in like 3 leagues I haven't started with FP totem and sorta regret it >.>
violet nymph
"Fixed an issue where some Harvest monsters would flee much more often than intended."
void wing
Getting good stuff this league definitely requires a bunch of well thought player input compared to the last few leagues.
dense summit
I'm too stupid for crafting in general, nevermind adding Factorio onto it
I assume the "reroll values" craft acts like a divine orb and not a tier reroll?
ripe raven
How do I remove collector from the first place I've put it on?
dense summit
ctrl+click
dense summit
oh, new instance first I think
ripe raven
So I just go meet Oshabi once more and don't do anything to that collector?
void wing
You can just ctrl click the grove icon from hideout waypoint to create a new instance.
dense summit
shit
eager terrace
I don't get a new instance menu when I ctrl click the grove waypoint button
does it actually still make a new instance
ripe raven
Yas it worked! Thank you @dense summit
oblique falcon
Yea, i always enter it with ctrl+click
void wing
Yes it does create a new instance.
ripe raven
Also for setups, I've seen this one, by far the only problem I have with the picture is solid colors (without black borders) and those on top left, bottom left and bottom right parts, what are those?
For solid colors which they say "flow" is I guess the pylon lines?
eager terrace
he must not be showing all the leading pylons
ripe raven
But what are those in triplets
void wing
Storage.
eager terrace
like I don't think you can come out the bottom left there
void wing
I must've misunderstood your question.
eager terrace
the big solid squares are T1 harvest fields
that feed into storage which feeds into T3 fields up top right
ripe raven
AHHHH
eager terrace
I just don't know how he's routing out the bottom left
violet nymph
it doesn't work, you have to route out the top left
a few things about this setup are wrong
ripe raven
Can collector connect to another collector?
eager terrace
I route out the top there yeah
civic ocean
+1 I had to to it the same way
ripe raven
Or you have to have 3 pylons near each collector?
eager terrace
a pylon can have up to 4 connections each
ripe raven
Not 3because I guess there wouldn't be space?
void wing
How much condensed life force do t3 and t4 seeds need?
eager terrace
my T4 is 67/134/67 over 15 cycles
a random T3 is 38/38 over 9
cycles and force can vary a bit
void wing
I see, I'm deciding how I want my garden.
violet nymph
and by that i mean oh my god wild seeds never drop for me so my wild tanks are always empty
void wing
Currently leaning towards a t1, t2/3 and t4.
eager terrace
I'm pretty choked on vivid atm
so I won't get to this T4 for another day at least
meanwhile I have like 2700 primal sitting around
rigid stream
Does anyone know what the Brand surge on the staff from the Boss does?
obsidian apex
i just need a casual all in one garden layout to copy
dense summit
check the subreddit
eager terrace
most any of the posted ones will work
if you aren't buying seeds you mainly just need 2 maybe 3 T1 plots to farm life force
then 1 plot of each color for the higher tier seeds
compact junco
@rigid stream do we have info about the staff already? i was looking at it yesterday and did not found anything
rigid stream
It has 50-100% Brand duration and Grants lvl 20 Brand surge
But dunno what Brand surge does
compact junco
huh, where did you saw it? i literally cant find anything about it online. .. hmm maybe its related to having a lot of brands out (based on the brand duration stat)
dense summit
inb4 "Brands you've cast recently drop at slain enemies' feet"
eager terrace
they took the brand activation on recall off the gem right
dense summit
yeah I would guess just based on name it's a manual activation button
but I'm just speculating
compact junco
no, brands still activate on recall
rigid stream
It was on waggles stream
The Second Person to kill the Boss dropped it
But didnt Tell what the Skill does
gray zealot
having Brand activation on a separate skill could be good
brand recall + activation skill for a quick burst of 12 skill casts
rigid stream
It would have to do much more to be Worth it
The weapon is a 2hander and has Almost No stats
dense summit
So I just corrupted a Craghead beacuse I'm a dumbass and I got 9% of phys and extra lightning but it also removed the level 5 requirement
bug? something I'm missing?
velvet palm
Some corruptions increase the lvl req
Which is why some corruptions on leveling items are bad
dense summit
This one removed the level req entirely tho
dense summit
Unless it just became an invisible mod. Haven't tried it yet
Or is a display bug I mean
eager terrace
you thought it was 4head but actually it was a 5head move
dense summit
lol
I only did it because my social awkwardness cornered me into buying two of them so I corrupted one for the hell of it
eager terrace
what did you whisper two people and they both answered
dense summit
Basically
barren ingot
corrupting can, in odd cases like this, remove the level requirement
barren ingot
this is because craghead's implicit is what gives it the level requirement, and it was changed to a implicit that doesn't have a level requirement. none of the explicits on craghead have level reqs, thus the level req was removed
dense summit
interesting
I just assumed every unique had a manually set level req, not necessarily just one mandated by affixes
velvet palm
@dense summit i know the feeling my guy
barren ingot
level requirements are - odd in this game
dense summit
it's path of exile, a lack of oddity is odd
sullen scroll
Just gonna spoiler it now to be safe. ||Once we kill Oshabi does she come back to life or does it get Zana'd like Cavas League?||
slim solar
my dispersers are still bugged
surreal atlas
anyone know why my auto-plant button doesn't work when i have 100s of seeds in the stash?
eager terrace
I think there's a limit to how low ilvl it will try to plant
relative to your level
surreal atlas
i see
barren ingot
it generally doesnt come up because not many items are set up like that i think?
dense summit
re: level req?
barren ingot
yeah
most bases have a level requirement set to them in addition to any affixes etc
from what i remember this pretty much only messes with...low level quivers and jewelery
which, for whatever reason, have their level requirements on their implicits and not the base item itself
dense summit
My favorite sub-level 12 setup involves Ignomon and Craghead, so I wonder how consistent that is
barren ingot
most of the implicits you can roll off a low level craghead are gonna nuke the implicit, though i doubt it's even worth your time since you spend like, a grand total of ten minutes between level 2 and 5.
dense summit
right
same with ignomon really
and the best leveling item for that range I could make would be a fossil crafted ilvl 1 glove
barren ingot
if the affixes are higher level req than 1 it doesnt matter how low the base or implicit reqs are so
royal lotus
can the crafting be saved if I just harvest and leave?
dense summit
Yeah, it's just there's a certain combo of fossils to create gloves with a great deal of (for the level) attack speed and flat added damage with no level req
I don't remember thje combo off the top of m yhead
dull pawn
is it possible to get 6l craft?
barren ingot
(to be precise if an affix's requirement outweighs the base item's level requirement, it will increase it to up to 80% of the mod's requirement rounded down.)
which mostly just shows up for seven league step corrupts
theoreitcally yes
dull pawn
and do the affix tiers depend on the item and/or craft lvl or is it random?
light jay
dull pawn
thanks
dull pawn
it only increases the tier "cap" as with normal affixes?
barren ingot
you can't get better affixes unless a item level is sufficently high, but i don't think there's any point where you're barred from getting lower leveled ones?
barren ingot
yeah the harvest mods obey current crafting rules.
dull pawn
got it, thank you
eager terrace
yeah next to, including diagonals
void wing
I wonder if we'll get a list (either directly from ggg or mined) of the % chance to get a particular craft.
echo shale
what is the best slam build so far
urban wind
Also for setups, I've seen this one, by far the only problem I have with the picture is solid colors (without black borders) and those on top left, bottom left and bottom right parts, what are those?
@ripe raven You should check the google spreadsheet for the updated version. It shows every pylon required
ripe raven
How do I know what I need to connect to?
Or it doesn't matter much?
Does that life force move by itself without need of any direction?
ripe raven
Ah I see. I've played too much Minecraft with some of those energetic mods or liquids so I overthink it a bit too much
celest atlas
the pylon can only hold a small number of connections ( i think its 4)
so thats the reason there is always a P in a group of S torage
so first make you line from the collector to the dispensor and than connect all Storage to the pylons with open connections
Question: sometimes than I use the button to plan seed it doesnt plant all I have, is there somekind of a Level Limit ? so if there is a L30 it will not autoplant a L40 ? or something ?
wraith scroll
Any tips on farming up life force for infrastructure fast? Or should I just stick to maps on the off chance I get a craft I want to use?
undone parrot
@light jay would that be a t4 seed?
elder night
so what's the end game of harvest? do I just plant seeds all league?
compact junco
well, there is boss
rigid stream
oh, whew thats a lotta dmg
vivid magnet
Do we know what's on the new labs already?
vivid magnet
6 uses of the font what the heck
And lv83 with good +100% exp and pack size I can see people doing rotas for the exp
livid lake
yeah except izaro is gonna hit like a truck
vivid magnet
Bring your JUGG carrier
wet plaza
lab fixed /s
shy dagger
the xp isnt that good so far
mob density sucks. and everything does a ton of damage
Also I got a darkshrine that overwrote the mod "6 additional uses of the divine font"
do i get 7? do i get 2?
i probably will die before i find out
marsh wyvern
Wallach, ur FP totem build is pretty good this league. i used one of th3n's totem builds last league as starter and it was terrible. GC totem
frosty basin
That seems like an interesting thing they've done with the lab. Now you don't just try to maximize your move speed and ignore everything in the lab
Though dark shrine awarding only one additional use seems underpowered. I'd have preferred two.
I'm very curious about what the other two do. Increased awards from treasure boxes?
tiny minnow
guys having an issue
can't craft Storage Tank, it doesn't appear at all in crafting options and I don't any any quests to follow up
any suggestions?
velvet palm
My suggestion is - git gud
eager terrace
are any of your collectors capped out
she gave me a free one the first time I hit cap on a collector
though I thought that the storage showed up at the very bottom of crafting even before that
shy dagger
@frosty basin im assuming the other two just give # uses of the font as well
2/4/6 is my guess
idk. it's REALLY hard to not die
one singular porcupine spike does 50% of my hp
ive been in here for 40 minutes i could have done like 6-7 normal labs in that time
marsh wyvern
is it the same layout as uber?
shy dagger
ye
ive.. also gotten all the keys/shit to see if they're different
so far, theyre not
so yea. Gift to the goddess is 100% just 6 addidtional uses of the font.
shy dagger
Yea. not 1 ex cool but it's interesting
Hell no LOL the lab was so hard for my squishy ass
void wing
What else do you have for defense apart from <5k EHP 👀
shy dagger
uhh
marsh wyvern
i wonder how fp totems would fair. normally nothing is a threat cause everything is frozen. and traps do nothing cause 40% MoM
shy dagger
nothing lol
void wing
Yea that's kinda squishy alright.
void wing
Okay yea that's better.
shy dagger
but this is kinda offtopic. Anyway upgraded lab is spooky. and isn't worth 1 ex. but it was fun
void wing
Still squishy but better.
marsh wyvern
did you buy the offering or craft it?
shy dagger
I bought it
frosty basin
Hell no LOL the lab was so hard for my squishy ass
Unfortunate metaphor :D
frosty basin
I really hope they aren't 2/4/6
shy dagger
aye
serene summit
How do you determine what seed crafts are good for your character?
rigid stream
Uh, See what you are playing and then decide?
violet nymph
you can't. you just use the seeds that you need to craft a specific item
rigid stream
Most Stat seeds are T1, aside from critical thats T2 afaik
serene summit
i'm playing Caustic Arrow. So I should maybe... us anything with Chaos damage
rigid stream
Speed seeds are fairly rare T1
violet nymph
my advice is to use seeds below level 55-60 for only creating storage tanks and all other items needed, not actual crafts
since early game seeds can't be used to craft late game items
rigid stream
Just use them to craft your Gear while you lvl
Their lifeforce is fairly low anyway
You can Stock Up on quarry for gardening equipment, but be aware, that t3 Maps already give over 50% more lifeforce than quarry seeds, and thats even more for Higher Tier seeds. So dont think you can easily Farm stuff on quarry, that doesnt Work so well^^
serene summit
Right now i'm just doing hatever I can. Lv 12 ranger atm
marsh wyvern
this garden BS is pissing me off. so you are saying 367 wild and 872 vivid isnt enough to grow it. OK then.
and its def all connected and spraying.
serene summit
You'll need to harvest the current seeds, and condense the lifeforce fom it
serene summit
the wild and vivid specifically state they need to grow with condensed lifeforce
not wild lifeforce
marsh wyvern
what?
serene summit
Check the "incubators" of your Wild and Vivid seeds that are planted
it will tell you how much lifeforce there is in there that is condensed
marsh wyvern
im sorry i dont know what that is
rigid stream
Did you Run a map?
rigid stream
Sometimes its just a visual Thing
livid lake
it has to be able to supply all seeds in its radius, if it can't it won't dispsen either
livid lake
can you press the manual disperse?
rigid stream
That might actually be tight, 8 seeds with at least 40 each cost is Close to the 367 you have. Also it might be a wiring issue where one sprinkler only has Access to 1 storage and thus cant dispense the 6 it can see
marsh wyvern
no it isnt there at all
serene summit
I understand that every garden has a different layout.
here's my Wild area:
And this is Vivid
marsh wyvern
here is my wild area
serene summit
But then again, i'm just starting out, not having much to deal with
livid yarrow
is there even a reforge for a speed mod?
rigid stream
Chaos orb? I think i Had one
rigid stream
Hm the stun one is good
shy dagger
unnerve one is nice too
shy dagger
time to test the last one
sonic glen
if you pick up a storage container and move it, does it keep what it has stored?
rigid stream
yes
placid bone
nice
frigid holly
I apologize for possible duplicate question (unsurprisingly there have been a LOT of posts since Friday!!), but is it a known bug that tier 2 seeds claim they are missing dispersal of life-force when they actually have it? I have two dispersers overlapped to provide vivid and primal over one corner of my wild seed plot, but tier 2 wilds in that area refuse to show the vivid or primal lifeforce requirement as ticked. However they DO grow ok so it seems to just be a bug...?
hasty perch
Yeah seems to happen sometimes just wait one more cycle
frigid holly
auto-plant doesn't work very well either in my experience - often leaves lots of unplanted cells which can be manually filled
(which is tedious)
frosty basin
You can probably get a lot of Reddit karma if you post your lab findings, Beverice
hollow wharf
last one is labyrinth_override_chest_difficulty [5] The Labyrinth's rewards have been enriched
frosty basin
Nice. I wonder what the drops will look like.
livid yarrow
do u get more t2 seeds the more farms u pop atonce?
rigid stream
yes
hollow wharf
yes, max 48 seeds once
livid yarrow
if i had knows that i would have popped everything at once all the time 😦
where do i find and invite the new seed npc into my hideout, i cant find and place the seed chest
cant invite her from the sacred groove either
marsh wyvern
im not sure you can
hollow wharf
seed npc is final harvest boss, you can't invite her
shy dagger
the enhanced lab rewards were cool
instead of 10 blacksmith whetstones the box dropped like 100
frosty basin
Neat!
shy dagger
@hollow wharf do we know how the enriched chests work from the datamining?
hollow wharf
nope, the drop table were hidden from client
marsh pivot
haughty oracle
what happens when i connect a tank to 2 different lifeforce fields ? like vivid and wild ?
violet nymph
need more juice
best way to get juice discussion
farm quarry, spam T3s and juice it all ?
last axle
Why not working????????? says needs more primal units but i have?????
man this league is @.ss
how do u farm this piece of garbage?
haughty oracle
last axle
literally copied this
not working
everything connected, +2.6k lifeforce, cant do 9 t2 seeds with it apparently
ok
nice, its incomplete you have to add dispensers
what a nice guide
frosty basin
What does infused engineering orb do?
violet nymph
Level matters
livid yarrow
people are so overly negative this league =/
violet nymph
If your seeds are too high
And zone farming too low
seed gets no credit
ANyone have a list of mods an what they are
LIke is mana cosidered a cster mod?
livid yarrow
list at poedb
last axle
@violet nymph literally changed nothing, just re-entered and now its not a little bitch
livid yarrow
its because uve used an action on that instance, u gotta make a new instance @last axle
violet nymph
@last axle What?
last axle
@livid yarrow so its ggg fault afterall making a janky as heck system
violet nymph
Seeds can out level your zone
livid yarrow
its not that janky .....
violet nymph
AUto feeders feed and leave red seeds sometimes
last axle
how the f im suppose to know i cant change the place of seeds without making a new instance
livid yarrow
u gotta stop for 5 seconds and read, its just that people refuse to do that ...gotta go fast
last axle
read what?
livid yarrow
u cant just autoplant everything
dont just spam buttons and u wont have any problems
last axle
I had them in bad locations at 1st
i relocated them
and then it didnt work and i had to apparently reload the instance
which isnt told anywhere
livid yarrow
@last axle if u place a collector and connect it, u cant just remove it because its active, used, u gotta leave and reenter to remove it
when u make a new instance, its not active anymore, hence it can be removed
last axle
it wasnt the collector
it was the dispensers getting stuck on the old seeds or some crap
livid yarrow
it was just an example
last axle
and didnt dispense on the new seeds
which made the whole system fall apart
I would imagine you could just like.. turn them on and off, but apparently not
livid yarrow
u dont need to click to use the dispensers from what im aware, they auto disperse when u open seed caches
violet nymph
Just make a network and leave them on
only need to micro if you overplant and want certain ones done
spare axle
I finally got to build my garden and it's working 
dusk topaz
Should we be planting our T2/T3 seeds as soon as possible? or is it smarter to save them until you want to target a craft that they enable?
violet nymph
So, if you want the mdo station that holds 3 crafts
you will wanna use 16 T2, 8 T1 that will let you get the table and hold 3x mods of the higher tier
Thats at ~! lvl 70
Maybe can away with less t2s higher levels, that my recomendation so as to not waste mods and juice
Can pick the mostly less desirables from those
dusk topaz
ah ok. soo the table lets you store crafts? thats rad. so it would make sense to rush that, then can churn out seeds from there.
cool thanks.
dusk topaz
is this all explained in game somewhere that I missed? or is it all a matter of trial and error and experimentation?
violet nymph
The numbers of seeds?
Expirimentation
The # listed on seed gets modified
Buy the total harvest
dusk topaz
and the broader "goal" of the mechanic. I presume that tier 4 are bosses oor whatever
violet nymph
Mouse overer the harvester when one is ready , it mods drops of monsters and total life force
Yes, T4 seeds are a boss I think
I am just farming 2s to make a network of horticrafting stations
dusk topaz
ideally at least one per seed type, to store the best crafts of each?
violet nymph
The Horticrafting statoin?
dusk topaz
ya
violet nymph
Can store any , I think ti can have 1 of each type in it as well
Like purchasing a dispenser
Any color goes to it, I move them around if I see a certain mod, usually a -life., +life"
mortal bridge
Why is my disperser
not dispersing
Primal life force
even with auto dispense on
violet nymph
ZOne is prob too low
mortal bridge
Wtf
dusk topaz
@violet nymph thanks for the info. will experiment more once I farm up a station
marsh wyvern
it does that to me too
mortal bridge
So why
marsh wyvern
no idea whats wrong with it
rigid stream
Just Run a map
violet nymph
zone you pop a pod in needs to be comprable ot the seeds
mortal bridge
It did it the first time
marsh wyvern
i have to click it to force it all the time
rigid stream
Its a visual bug
inland linden
have any of you had their harvest icons disappear? I can't click anything in the grove (still shows items on the ground etc.)
rigid stream
It will Auto disperse on the next Growth tick
violet nymph
@dusk topaz gl
marsh wyvern
go to the portal and ctrl click on the garden thing to load a new instance gleed
inland linden
ye that worked ty
marsh wyvern
it seems to happen when you leave the map and enter by the regular waypoint
shy dagger
anyone use an infused engineer's orb yet?
shy dagger
infused engineer's orb result
tender tusk
oh cool
vagrant grove
ive had that same problem, forcing me to pop into the grove every damn cycle to disperse cause auto didnt work, its annoying af
inland linden
is 'non-caster modifier' the same as 'attack modifier' or is it literally everything that's not a caster modifier, so max life etc. included
marsh wyvern
i vote for everything thats not a caster mod
cause there are specific things that give attack mods
inland linden
yes its everything, tried it and it removed regular crit
violet nymph
Non caster is alot more then attack
frigid holly
@vagrant grove For me disperse appears not to work (the tier 2 seeds that need it say th requirement is not satisfied), but they still grow! I think the bug is just th missing tick on the requirements hover
violet nymph
Yea, the auto dispense doesnt dispense until you need it
which is when you pop a seed pod
It does that so you juice is there in case you wanna reroute it
So its not bugged
It just not placing your juice in the plant until its needed, because lets say you decided you wanted it to go towards a new t3 seed, if they placed it in a bunch of t2s you wouldnt be able to
so its just not spending your juice until you pop the seed
grizzled oak
is there a way to reset your harvest, like start again from zero, i dont feel like deleting everything one by one
inland linden
no, but it's only a couple hundred clicks. a small amount of carpal compared to the rest of the game
grizzled oak
lol
runic zephyr
holy shit, quarry abusing is actually insane this league
so glad i read about it on reddit, it makes gaining lifeforce finally not an annoying chore
dusk topaz
go on...
runic zephyr
go act9 quarry, run around to get seed cache, go back to waypoint, enter new instance of quarry
actually great to farm league mechanics
jagged surge
its not, the crafts is ilvl restricted, cant use thouse crafts on high ilvl items so its useless
rigid stream
except, it cant spawn the good currency crafts and cant be used to make great items cause ilvl restrictions
its good to make basic items, thats it
valid isle
As a note, be careful when spawning on alts.
Accidently popped a seed that was about 30 levels above me <~<;
dense copper
lv 65 t1 mobs will drop lv 65 t2 seeds?
foggy ocean
what range does the ilvl have to be within the seeds lvl for it to work?
runic zephyr
who cares about the crafts? i need it for lifeforce to spam t2 and t3 seeds
rigid stream
thy give much less than high lvl seeds give
runic zephyr
if ilvl 83 seeds dont like literally 50x the lifeforce than quarry spam is a lot faster for gaining raw lifeforce
celest atlas
what are the options to fix the grafic problem .. e.g. no Chest visible and so on ... is there a thread about that?
runic zephyr
double? hm, then it might not be faster if it grows exponentially. ill see when i hit red maps i guess
rigid stream
a t4 seed needs like 250 per growth stage
novel flint
is just rapidly visiting A10 Ossuary a relatively good place to just get a lot of seeds?
or is another location bbetter?
thorny vine
is it just me or are the fire damage crafts rarer than the other elements
novel flint
also, do we know if and how seed level of vivid leech and primal feasting horror affects the likelihood of six sockets crafts?
gilded sluice
is it possible to use plant crafting on corrupted items?
jagged surge
no
white sentinel
is there any point in harvesting from a map instead of accessing the grove via hideout ?
white sentinel
drops = seeds or random loot? cause the loot is pathetic 😄
white sentinel
thanks 🙂
mighty prairie
we have a time limit to use our harvest craft?
mine just disappeared while I was buying an item to use the craft on it...
balmy hound
if you leave long enough for your instance to reset it would be gone
celest atlas
Question: sometimes than I use the button to plan seed it doesnt plant all I have, is there somekind of a Level Limit ? so if there is a L30 it will not autoplant a L40 ? or something ?
balmy hound
im not sure ive had issues with an inventory bug even at vendors it says i dont have an trans orb but i do, i have to go to my stash put the orb in my inventory then i can buy stuff, so i would try that see if it helps
celest atlas
currency problem depends on order of your stash tab and in which stash you have currency items .. that sometimes breaks it
balmy hound
ive had the same issue your having with seeds to though, and if i put the seeds in my inventory it will auto plant but it wont plant out of stash, so im assuming its a similar issue, i dont really know i just know the fix is for me to have the seeds in my inventory
celest atlas
might be but the currency problem is an old one .. will check
slim solar
question: friend has problem, that he does not get Storage tanks when he harvests a field
how can he solve that
novel flint
? Can you elaborate
scenic hedge
Question: how do I get the single socket change? It seemed like I consistently got the "turn a non-blue into a blue socket" with low level seeds but now I only get the double convert or triple convert which are way less accurate.
torn frigate
any of you smart people want to do something with this data about T1 seeds from caches?https://redd.it/hdx2sw
rigid stream
Pretty much useless. It only says: every Type of seed has 2 very Common Resultat, 1 Common result, 1 uncommon result, 1 rare result. The rare ones are: Vivid-Speed, Primal-change unique, Wild-super currency. Rare is about 1/100 of the very commons
rigid stream
I have about the Same Dataset and its roughly the Same result
steel parcel
Especially sinc emy build calls for red sockets and evasion gear
scenic hedge
yea they were so much better than "here's a 30% chance of just getting a worse socket"
steel parcel
it's a bitch to chrome that RNG
rigid stream
Thats why they are rarer^^
scenic hedge
are they rarer?
steel parcel
Yeah but I got them almost every harvest pre level 50
rigid stream
Yes thats how it works
steel parcel
so unless I should've been buying lotto tickets I think it is level based
rigid stream
Low lvl seeds Roll better mods
scenic hedge
really?
steel parcel
But you can't farm low level seeds so the fuck...
rigid stream
Because you cant craft highlvl items with them
scenic hedge
oh that sucks
steel parcel
Tried to go to the coast no osia to be found
rigid stream
Its so you have a good experience while lvling
steel parcel
fuck leveling I want to min max dammit
scenic hedge
yea what he said
rigid stream
Then you have to Farm more^^
steel parcel
booo hssss
rigid stream
Quite...litteraly 
scenic hedge
alright so its back to farming, I don't really have a problem with the fact that I have to farm for them but the fact my expectations were super high during leveling and then they just disappointed me for like 10 harvests in a row with useless stuff
steel parcel
^^^ This I think is valid criticism
don't hype us up just to make end game even more discouraging than it already is
how am I even going to need to perfect roll socket colors during the first like 40 levels? Can't even buy the gems I want
Unless the entire mechanic is based on Character 2 instead of character # 1
scenic hedge
to be fair I get the point of it, so that you will want to start crafting while leveling but at the same time it also heavily encourages people to use low ilevel items because they still have really good sockets on them
which means you get oneshot later on
steel parcel
yeah my buddy was using a level 10 shield till yellow maps because of the + 1 to cold gems
Those crafts belong in the end game
novel flint
just run Aqueducts for low lvl seeds
that should give you seeds that will give you one color socket
scenic hedge
yea me neither
steel parcel
Cause level 73 and going to the coast she ghosted my ass
So idk how you expect us to "farm" low level seeds
steel parcel
also ^^^
rigid stream
You Just do it the good old fashioned way, Chrome more
steel parcel
Absolutely should've been reverse
rigid stream
No, that would devalue absolutely everything
steel parcel
crap and complete rng levels 1-50 more specific and better crafts 50+
scenic hedge
true true
wild arch
What's up with some seeds not growing?
steel parcel
I mean, the whole "you don't want to be perfect too fast" is a fallacy
rigid stream
Thats what you think now, but you dont have perfect gear^^
steel parcel
not be adhocked together
scenic hedge
The good crafts shouldn't be less rare in endgame, they should stay rare during the entire process
scenic hedge
either that or explain that you won't get good crafts after leveling
which makes people afraid to craft
steel parcel
But we shouldn't be never seeing 1 color to the other at end game
That's a solid craft and it is still random
marsh wyvern
these things look scary
steel parcel
you could ruin a 6 link if it chooses wrong
scenic hedge
also, tabula is a good unique for a reason
steel parcel
Absolutely
scenic hedge
people are just going to use ilevel 10 armor with a 5 link till maps
and then complain they are getting oneshot
steel parcel
Plus I swear she is giving me less plants at end game as well
she was giving me like 12-15 per encounter nwo I'm lucky if I get 9
marsh wyvern
dang 5 link that early? i havent even seen anything higher than 4 link and im almost to red maps
steel parcel
and it's usually 1-3 stacks so they're all the same
marsh wyvern
yeah, i havent seen anything higher than 4 link
scenic hedge
huh
marsh wyvern
i assumed it was super high level
scenic hedge
I've seen it at least 4 times now
steel parcel
wwhich means even less variety on top of the "well you get shitty crafts at the level where you need good ones sorry" _O_/
scenic hedge
well we've just figured out that low level seeds give better crafts
violet nymph
i saw 5-link during acts lol
woeful mango
is there a level restriction on some crafting options?
violet nymph
that 5link carried the fuck out of my damage
steel parcel
so like a level 30 craft can't be used on level 70 gear
scenic hedge
the 5link would have carried the fuck out of my damage if i'd had the right sockets for it
violet nymph
that being said there's no lower limit on crafting
steel parcel
which I kinda don't agree with that either
violet nymph
so you can use any crafting option on an ilvl1 item for instance
steel parcel
The crafting table is free for all when it comes to crafting
marsh wyvern
but wouldnt it raise the req level for mods?
steel parcel
Granted you wouldn't put 9-11 chaos damage on a level 70 weapon
marsh wyvern
like normal
steel parcel
But you CAN
scenic hedge
i do definitely agree on that, otherwise people would just create new characters, farm the first seed and sell it for exalts
woeful mango
ok, but are some crafting outcomes locked behind a higher level seed?
steel parcel
higher tier yes
Higher level I don't think so
What seems to be the case is that low level seed had a higher weight to good crafts and the level 60+ seeds are pure random chaos
because I saw way better crafts leveling than I have sinc ehitting maps
scenic hedge
so basically if you get a tier 4 seed with ilevel 1 that doesn't get gated by item level you're a rich man
steel parcel
oh no people selling for exalts "The economy"
woeful mango
i wanted specifically the 6 socket craft, so smart me planted only the seeds that can reveil them. but i only got up to 4 sockets to craft, that's why i'm wondering
steel parcel
The entire game is RNG, we could all get a mirrior day 1 or we could never see one all league
marsh wyvern
@violet nymph do the crafts not have a level requirement associated with it? like if i crafted this on some no req gear, it makes the req equip level 54
steel parcel
The idea that you can damage this game by people doing trading is sillyness
violet nymph
I'm referring to harvest crafts
violet nymph
And item level, not requirement level
marsh wyvern
yes
steel parcel
I know, but regardless fo what it is, trading in poe is trading
marsh wyvern
you can do that now tho normally
violet nymph
Nothing can change the item level of an item as far as i know
steel parcel
you can sell your crafts in your table all day long
marsh wyvern
right
steel parcel
so selling seeds ... what's the difference?
marsh wyvern
you said you dont agree with putting high level crafts on low ilvl items. why?
it raises the equip req
steel parcel
no no, we don't agree with low level seeds having higher chances of good crafts
marsh wyvern
so you cant run out of the first town with it on
scenic hedge
trading can damage the game though in the example before where low ilevel seeds apply to high ilevel items
violet nymph
But for instance if you find a targeted fire annul you can use that on any item
steel parcel
link a level 30 seed has no reason to give you a 5 link craft
That's bogus and should be flipped
wild arch
What the fuck have they done with this league
scenic hedge
because it would stop low level people from crafting because they have very expensive seeds and it would encourage farmers to create new characters and farm the first act
violet nymph
There's a craft that i want to do where harvest fire annul saves me several exalts in crafting lol
wild arch
I'm res capped with 3.5hp in white maps and keep getting stunlocked/killed by white mobs
steel parcel
Lowki you're not absolutely wrong, but it's still based on RNG
I could screw the economy with a good harvest jsut as easily
marsh wyvern
yes... but it has a max level it works on. im not seeing why this is a problem
steel parcel
but because the weights are fucked low level seeds are just better
violet nymph
did I get this right? for a simple tier 2 setup? Please check it for me 🙂
steel parcel
It's a bad decision
Looks like it'll get the job done adama
Also killer name love that show
scenic hedge
yes it has a max level but my point was that that is a good thing because it prevents the scenario above
violet nymph
haha yeah awesome show :p
steel parcel
I don't expect it to change
marsh wyvern
yeah thats what im saying. i must simply be misunderstanding the entire thing and why its bad to use high level crafts on low ilvl items
steel parcel
Just pointing out that giving insane crafting tools to level 30 and forcing level 60+ to grind their D's off is a very very bad mistep
We already have to regrind the atlas
don't RNG our RNG with More RNG
I don't wanna random in my random while I random random okay xplicit
rigid stream
You could make a explode Chest in Like 5 minutes
An Item that usually costs 10+Ex or more
woeful mango
is there a cheat sheet already, what crafts are locked behind which seed levels?
steel parcel
Someone is probably making one but haven't seen it yet there is a general idea but nothing concrete
rigid stream
Poedb has them, but Basically, all map stuff is locked behind lvl 73+
marsh wyvern
how?
rigid stream
Cause the seeds dont drop before that
rigid stream
Sort of, yes
steel parcel
Well at least I have that to look forward too
I think this league is really showing why 1 zone for maps is a problem though
I hit maps with like 200+ of every color of seed
rigid stream
Use them?
steel parcel
cause of constant zoning now in maps I get like... 10 seeds a map
marsh wyvern
yikes. i used all mine all the time
thin remnant
yo, does u know what lvl seeds do u need to craft on ilvl84 bases?
rigid stream
74
steel parcel
I use them now, but like... you definitely got more thorugh the game than you do in maps
rigid stream
Do more maps^^
steel parcel
Purely because of the way she spawns
I hear you but 1 map could take the same time it took to clear 5-6 zone in the acts
thin remnant
74 coz 10lvl differences?
rigid stream
Yes
thin remnant
ok thx
steel parcel
speed of seed gain is way too slow in Maps
almost like they want us to open map find her exit redo
No boss kills
ocean narwhal
I've felt the urge to do that
rigid stream
Again, Just map faster, you will do 1 Minute Maps If you really try. Especially since the Endboss needs Red Tier maps
A Lot of Red Tier maps^^
steel parcel
Well I hear ya, but End game boss and league mechanics shouldn't be like... hooked arm in arm
rigid stream
It is though
rigid stream
Thats Not true
rigid stream
Its Not Like delve depth 1500
steel parcel
vs how many make league characters
rigid stream
Its a normal Tier map.boss
steel parcel
You're insane if you think end game bosses are killed by more that 5%
steel parcel
Like.. I have never seen sirius
rigid stream
Sirus
scenic hedge
I've seen sirus once
steel parcel
and I like religiously play for 3-5 weeks
rigid stream
And He is really early
rigid stream
He is in yellow Tier maps
violet nymph
i've fought him a few times, there's basically no reason to
the fight isn't fun
the rewards are shit
steel parcel
Right but he would be a more end game event
and many people haven't not fought him or only did once to do it
rigid stream
Eh? Saviour and woke gems and woke orb are all good
violet nymph
good luck getting any of those lol
steel parcel
SO the idea that the entire 3 months and an end game activity are happily running down yellow brick road is a bad call
sand hare
Any1 here with a nice / best setup for the harvest garden???
rigid stream
Just plant your stuff Willy nilly
steel parcel
not seent eh google sheet? Let me get you a present
sand hare
Yes please =)
ocean narwhal
my current issue is that I don't have enough seeds to fuel more than 2 collectors at a time
steel parcel
ooooh ... autoplant only planting relevant seeds is another grind for me... but it's only for a little then it'll all be relevant
Yeah
We don't see the bitch often enough
ocean narwhal
or rather, I don't have enough seeds to reach capacity on my collectors
steel parcel
"Run more maps is valid" but I shouldn't be opening a map every 30 seconds jsut to get the league mechnnic to work in full swing lol
ocean narwhal
run more maps doesn't solve the issue
scenic hedge
yea it seems like the amount of seeds you get can only barely keep up with the cycles
steel parcel
Her seed cache just needs to pop more based on map quantity
scenic hedge
and if you get some useless seeds you don't want to plant you basically waste a cycle
steel parcel
That would help a lot
ocean narwhal
because running the maps causes my seeds to grow too
steel parcel
I know
ocean narwhal
Well actually even useless seeds have a point
steel parcel
I'm arguing for more seeds over all
ocean narwhal
if you plant them for juice or whatever else
vast gazelle
what i wish was a way to equate the crafting with actually getting value
scenic hedge
usually I just get lifeforce by growing a couple high tier seeds and storing it
vast gazelle
cuz like, the crafts themselves are pointless unless i make gear i want or can sell, right?
scenic hedge
most of the time it's a net gain in life force if you disregard the different types
ocean narwhal
I'm in early maps so I'm spending most of my juice on infrastructure
balmy hound
i mean that is the point of crafting lul
vast gazelle
maybe i need to try to craft jewels with it 🤔
scenic hedge
yes, crafting is indeed the point of crafting.
ocean narwhal
Soon I'll have storage to support 3600 of each concentrated juice
Oh yeah the crafting options themselves are nuts
I got a 280-400 or something 2h hammer by the time I hit t2 maps
vast gazelle
i guess im having trouble figuring out how to craft with this stuff then lmao
i think ziz said something about being able to target unveils
steel parcel
I'm curious what is the crafting bench like
balmy hound
the low level seeds thats all they are really good for is leveling gear and then start crafting your grove,, stockpile t2 seeds from the t1 harvests then continue upgrading
steel parcel
anyone got theirs yet?
ocean narwhal
It's relatively easy to craft
balmy hound
yes, it holds 3 crafts for you per bench
balmy hound
yes it saves it
ocean narwhal
Like rn I'm looking for "augment a lightning mod on an item" mod
so I can slap lightning res on me boots
I'm also looking for the same mod for life
balmy hound
therse a ton of life mod seeds
steel parcel
I'm shuddering because I need to spam Merci lab for a helm enchant
scenic hedge
i mean if you really need to slap some lightning resistance on your boots there's always the regular crafting table
balmy hound
good luck, your better off buying helm enchants
steel parcel
My helm is perfect more or less so I need to just use it and the ones on trade don't have my needs filled
I hear ya
But no point in ruing my gem set ups when I can jsut farm the shiz
Plus treasure boxes who know I get lucky and get super currency
balmy hound
yea lab is worthwhile, you can sell non needed encahnts etc its just in 100s of hours of game play ive rolled 1 enchant that ive needed for my toons
steel parcel
Hoping my buddies will join and burn theirs for me but that'll be between me and them
Ouch
so bring a gloves and boots while I'm farming this you think?
Just to enchant and possibly sell?
balmy hound
helm enchants are the real profits
steel parcel
yeah cause they borked lol
balmy hound
but yea always have a good base in your stash to waste on enchants
steel parcel
I mean the one I'm after... if lightning strike pierced anything I'd be happy but 2-3 targets... oy
RIP me sorry back to plants and how they're dirty
violet nymph
fuck
steel parcel
Screw the fucking primal scorps okay they jerks
violet nymph
i really feel like switching back to "always have fortify" because fuck using leap slam on every pack
steel parcel
Stop running around
No joke.
Plus Leap and Whirling blades this league seem to favor targeting enemies
balmy hound
bind leap slam to primary movement
violet nymph
the problem is that i'm a slammer
and my attack speed is pretty slow
so leap slam feels shit every time i use it non-instantly
ocean narwhal
Leap slam feels good to me but that's because earthshatter explodes when I use it
violet nymph
and because of how ground slam - my main attack skill - works, when i leapslam into a pack and ground slam forward, sometimes a few enemies aren't in the hit
ocean narwhal
I don't have faster attacks on it, I really should get it though
balmy hound
ive honestly never been a big fan of leap slam, the last rework helped it out a lot, attack speed is a big effect as is disabling the walk to attack
ocean narwhal
my leapslam support setup rn is: Leapslam + Endurance charge on stun + Shockwave + fortify
violet nymph
what i need are gloves with more attack speed for socketed gems
balmy hound
yea its always been an option just a lot of people forget about it when playing melee
ocean narwhal
shockwave is useful I find, for a chunk extra damageon leapslam
and helps stun folks for endurance charges
balmy hound
unless leapslam is primary damage source i would just drop it for faster attacks perosnally
violet nymph
what do you mean walk to attack exactly
wild arch
Can someone explain why 2 identical T1 seeds with the exact same growth cycles DON'T GROW AT THE SAME TIME
ocean narwhal
the area you're running is too low
violet nymph
you're not in high enough level maps to grow certain seeds but high enough for others?
ocean narwhal
for one of the seeds
balmy hound
@violet nympht click on your hotkey spot, in the top above the skill icons theres a little running guy animations, turning that on will stop your character from walking to be in range to use your skill it will force it to use the skill wherever you stand
rigid stream
You are Imagining Things
violet nymph
oh pff
rigid stream
Delirium cuaght Up with you
violet nymph
i've had that disabled on every skill forever
are you telling me to enable it on leap slam or something
light wadi
Is there a way to see how much of each juice you have in total?
scenic hedge
yea thats what im saying everyone who uses melee knows about it
otherwise leap slam is 1/10
violet nymph
it still feels like shit with low aspd no matter what
kindred dagger
omg this garden mechanics so bad, does anybody have a clue about hwy some of my plant doesnt pop with others when they are fully grown ?
violet nymph
whereas the actual main attack slam skills feel fine as long as you oneshot everything
balmy hound
the only time that should happen is if you planted outside of the collectors range or in the wrong color collector
vivid crag
wondered why i was missing a lot of vivid energy, forgot to plant them...
livid yarrow
wish i could save crafts earlier, i have 4 5 link crafts right now and i cant use them
feels kinda shit to have to brick so many 5 links
steel parcel
whoa whoa... can you send me a Screenshot of what you mean Lowki? My leap slam is getting me killed and I bet I have that turned off
might also have been why I died when using whirling blades... and if so might go back to that
marsh wyvern
you ever go to open your stash and hit the condense button on accident?
steel parcel
for what somone is willing to pay? No but honestly could be 10 chaos to 1 exalt
really dpends on how hard someone is going for those items
and if they want to make sure they get your room
sick laurel
aight i'll try and see in 820
scenic hedge
Can I empty my collectors of the remaining lifeforce so I can stack them again?
marsh wyvern
it has to be used up
afaik
by seeds that need it that is. like with dispersers using it
marsh wyvern
it seemed to prioritize using the lifeforce in collectors over what was in storage though. so if you do a few t2 seeds it should get rid of it, maybe
marsh wyvern
yeah that was annoying
i had the same prob
does the horticrafting station only work with one collector type at a time?
livid lake
ye
marsh wyvern
dangit i knew it wouldnt be that easy
marsh wyvern
it says it stores up to 3 crafts but ive yet to actually try it out
hasty perch
I see
You need several t2 seeds to make one i guess
Just got to maps again after rerolling and having terrible internet this weekend so didn't get to see it much yet
manic ether
so guys is there a trick to farm white 6 links or something
leaden storm
that's not what he's saying
manic ether
yea no there are dozens on trade
leaden storm
probably some way to split items
i can't imagine it's with beasts though, not on that base
wouldn't be worth the cost
manic ether
gotta be seeds
hasty perch
There's white socket seess
Seedsk
Idk why anyone would go for a single white socket on meh base tho
steel parcel
Mirrior Seed
Pog Champ
or maybe not mirrior but Duplicates base with new modifiers potentially
Seems that to be the most likely but wouldn't know is the full db of crafts up ?
i know soemone said poedb has them but i've not used that website before
manic ether
yea seed effects are up
steel parcel
kk
copper spoke
How do you get lvl 2 seeds to grow?
frosty flicker
How do you search for different tier seeds on trade site
mighty prairie
I can use harvest linking craft on uniques, right?
dim sorrel
On google sheets for when it says Vivid T1 etc, is that a collector for t1 seeds only?
hollow rain
is it possible to trade excess pylons for some other harvest infrastructure
vast gazelle
@dim sorrel generally yes, you use the t1 farms to grind out lots of low level seeds to generate piles of juice to water bigger ones
brazen moss
I have a fucking idea for this league and ggg, we need to export our layout in our little secret garden and u can take the layout and the game place instantly the dispenser storage etc.. ( if u have all of them )..
because when i see this i'm having a fucking heart attack
vast gazelle
i dont recommend that layout for most people
you won’t get enough seed drops to make it worth it
brazen moss
i'm no going for that anyway lmao
vast gazelle
yeah
brazen moss
oh i'm gonnna look for urs
brazen moss
i'm gonna do the one you linked anyway
barren ingot
even that setup is probably overkill
you only really need two t1 farm for the average person of each color
and that's just in case the game decides "oh i'm only gonna give you one color for a few maps in a row"
cyan ermine
Any reason to optimize every slot of the harvest with 8 of each colour t1 fields? I can barely even keep 1 field of each seed type filled
vast gazelle
that layout is for people who decide they are going to go gigabrain
and buy tons of seeds
cyan ermine
oh yeah forgot about buying them
odd sail
you can buy seeds?
small wigeon
is there a way to view my terrain/farm as a grid so i can follow a spreadsheet properly?
copper spoke
All of my T2 seeds are glowing red ? -_-
barren ingot
you can but its a bit of a pain
since there's no real easy way to bulk buy seeds
the closest you can get is looking for individual seeds and buying people's big stacks
jolly radish
can someone
explain
i am tryhing to setup the disperser stuff
yet one of my seeds (t2 wild) says
it needs 4 adjacent t1 seeds + 60 vivid units of condensed lifeofrce
but the pylons are all connected to storage tanks with like 3k life force at least across them
and the disperser area makes no comment of t1 seeds it just says 2/3/4/3/4/3
radiant lance
yeah f all those crazy maps... i'm going for the inefficient method where i have a T1 farm and a T2-4 farm for each colour and that's it ;p
because i dont want to have to run around my entire farm planting stuff ;p
jolly radish
ye i dont even know how to setup the t2/t4 stuff
like ive set this up
but why isnt it using the condensed primal lifeforce in the storage tanks its setup with
idk
radiant lance
some of the spreadsheets ive seen on reddit actually have proposed setups for T2+
so you could just yoink their idea
even if you dont do all the other crazy stuff
jolly radish
like my dispersers dont have icons
radiant lance
there is a graphical bug where they dont look like they are getting the lifeforce.. but if you continue progressing and come back they will actually have done a growth cycle
might be happening to you
radiant lance
is your dispenser definitely covering all the seeds?
disperser*&
i always call it dispenser even though i know it isn't that
jolly radish
i have no idea because i dont know like
the positioning they should be
because ive tried to copy the spreadsheet but it isnt 100% even even when i hover
radiant lance
so the seeds have two requirements to grow: They need to be surrounded by so many seeds of the same colour, and they need to be covered by the area of a dispenser of a particular colour
so you need to check which colour lifeforce the seeds need
and then make sure the area box of the same colour dispenser is covering them
otherwise they wont get fed
balmy hound
3 requirements actually, you have to be in a map tier high enough for the seed to grow, if your run a low level map a high level seed will not get a cycle
radiant lance
i forgot about that one cause i havent done too much mapping yet, and its not really relevant in levelling ;p
good call
abstract pelican
Can someone please link picture with all the seed crafts?
balmy hound
i think you have to go to the forums for the notes on that one, theres like hundreds lol
abstract pelican
Think I saw on streams colored picture of seeds and it crafts but can’t find it
abstract pelican
Thanks!