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[finite stump]

The love story between maligaro and fidelitis

(#gaybros)

Like so much neat stuff lol.

Annnnywho sleep time

[deep wave]

Whoa huge delve mod/temple mod buffs

a fractured +1 spectere chest is fucking insane

[primal whale]

Thats technically not a delve mod

[deep wave]

+1 spectere isn't a delve mod?

[primal whale]

It is now after they shifted the mod tables around

Well let's say it was a crafted mod

now it's a drop only from delve

[deep wave]

can you still fracture it?

[primal whale]

We don't know if they changed the synthesis mod tables

[deep wave]

im talking about the craft that fractures a random mod

[primal whale]

&all fractured mods will be entirely random crafts so yeah will be rare to get that mod if you even can

[deep wave]

Fracture a Prefix on an item with at least 3 Prefixes. This can't be used on Influenced, Synthesised, or Fractured items.

so if you hit specteres you can craft on it and not lose the mod right?

[primal whale]

IF

yeah

All I'm saying is that they might have made some changes to the synthesis mods

Like they did with Shaper/Elder/Fossil mods a few leagues ago

[deep wave]

+1 spectere is not a synthesis mod though

[wet harbor]

Are some of these dumpster tier and is the crit as stupid as it looks?

[primal whale]

Yeah but you cant craft that mod anymore

that's a drop-only mod now

[deep wave]

step 1: get item with +1 spectere step 2:Fracture a Prefix on an item with at least 3 Prefixes. This can't be used on Influenced, Synthesised, or Fractured items.

[primal whale]

@wet harbor If you play stat stacking bows or something you don't want quality to enhance physical damage

or rather its not as effective

[deep wave]

then you can craft on it without losing +1 spectere no?

[wet harbor]

IMPOSTER

but that's not close to what I'm asking

[primal whale]

Thats like 5% crit? what about it

[wet harbor]

is it as stupid as flat local crit

[primal whale]

@deep wave Question is do you turn random mods into fractured mods or do you actually just add frandom fractured mods?

[wet harbor]

or is it just 5% character crit

[primal whale]

Prolly not

Should be more like 5% increased crit chance

[deep wave]

it turns random mods into fractured mods no?

[primal whale]

I think it will just add fractured mods

otherwise this would be close to eternal orbs?

[wet harbor]

the regular quality effect definitely beats that

[primal whale]

Depends on the item as I said

[deep wave]

how would Fracture a Suffix on an item with least 3 Suffixes. This can't be used on Influenced, Synthesised, or Fractured items
Fracture a Prefix on an item with at least 3 Prefixes. This can't be used on Influenced, Synthesised, or Fractured items. work then?

since you already have 3 prefix/suffix

[hollow wharf]

https://poedb.tw/us/Harvest add some unique and item icons, but there is no Data/ directory in torrent, can't get any information further

[primal whale]

Idk but turning existing mods into fractured mods would be just beyond broken

[deep wave]

thats the point no?

its a t4 seed for fucks sake

[primal whale]

Well then we would have eternal orbs back kinda?

even stronger eternal orbs

[native sonnet]

u don't fracture "a suffix onto" the item, but rather turn 1 of the suffix into a fracture mod

is how i read it

[deep wave]

i mean you get to reroll mod tiers and targeted exalts/annuls

[primal whale]

Thats just super dumb wtf

[deep wave]

Reroll the Prefixes on a Rare item, with Lucky modifier values

ez 1kdps weapons

[primal whale]

Oh its just one modifier I read it as multiples

Yeah it's too early for me to function after getting up

[deep wave]

so 1/3 chance to create the mod you want

you have to kill a boss each time

[primal whale]

That means you can fracture a flarring onto an item

scoure it and alt + regal until you hit tripple t1 phys?

[deep wave]

yea or you could just get the right mods with fossils then reroll tiers

Reroll the Prefixes on a Rare item, with Lucky modifier values

[primal whale]

Does lucky modifier mean lucky tiers or just lucky values within a tier tho?

[deep wave]

lucky tiers

Reroll the values of Prefix, Suffix and Implicit modifiers on a Rare item, with Lucky modifier values

this one is worded differently

Chris "We are going to destroy the game this league" DAMN RIGHT

[primal whale]

Well anything thats possible within the league is possible in standard to some extent

[deep wave]

can you even get targeted annuls/slams?

but yea eternals are better

[primal whale]

Well no but just hit good mods 4Head

You pretty much dont have powercreep this league

unless there is some hidden new mods

[deep wave]

• no powercreep for top.1% , massive powercreep for everyone else

[primal whale]

Just makes it a little-lot more accessible

Overall limit stays the same thats a better way to put it

[deep wave]

good gear gets cheaper because of all these crazy methods

which is nice for everyone

[primal whale]

True

I hope the bosses are actually challenging so you can use the op op items on something that lasts more than a single hit

[deep wave]

like the life annuls/slams are useful for 99% of players

*also defense for es

changing xres to yres of the same tier is insanely good

no chaos 😦

[primal whale]

Welp its not an element so yeah

I'll be pushing super hard for the harbinger uniques, I love the harbinger style

[deep wave]

yea they all get an upgraded version

[primal whale]

Hope its more than just an upgrade

[deep wave]

also 2 new quivers O.o

[primal whale]

They somehow gotta make up for destroying 2 bows in a single league

[deep wave]

which 2? opus and arborix?

[primal whale]

Reach of the Council and Arborix

[deep wave]

reach of the council is...interesting

arborix looks ok

[primal whale]

Not being able to use any movement skills to gain +2 arrows is dogshit

&reach of the council has like no use

imo at least*

[violet nymph]

huh...

[primal whale]

Yee

New shiny harbinger stuff

[violet nymph]

are there stats anywhere for these things, besides the ones we know about?

[primal whale]

Nope

[violet nymph]

or are we just waiting for poedb to show us that stuff

[primal whale]

We only have images and names used in the code

[violet nymph]

JUST NOW

[primal whale]

well F me

[violet nymph]

OIL TAB

DELIRIUM TAB

METAMORPH TAB

[copper kernel]

pretty useless tabs ngl

oil tab is fine

since you can craft on it

[primal whale]

"scrolls"?

Oh those are pretty some currency from the Uber Harbinger encounter

That you can use on the base version to upgrade them

Kinda like a fated unique without being actually fated?

[violet nymph]

hah

the metamorph tab actually acts like a map tab

[cobalt falcon]

What chris comment mean? "Its very expensive lifeforce" ?

[primal whale]

Can you elaborate on that?

[copper kernel]

comment for what

[native sonnet]

cost alot of lifeforce

to store craft

[violet nymph]

to get the thing required to store crafts you need a ton of lifeforce

simple as that

[dusty umbra]

@deep wave also changing one resist to another (on t2 seeds)

[cobalt falcon]

Is there any detailed info on new lab?

[violet nymph]

no

[primal whale]

All we know is what Chris told Ziggy

aka. nothing except "YoU wIlL hAvE tO tRy It OuT

give it like 10 hours before people will post videos on explain everything

[hollow wharf]

what detailed info you need? price is server side not in client

[slender temple]

well know all within 48 hours

so no worries

[hollow wharf]

within 13 hours

[violet nymph]

i really hope i keep the attention span to get through acts in one sitting

[primal whale]

I hope I can manage to grab some new harbinger uniques on day one

[silver kettle]

I'd be impressed if anyone gets through an upgraded lab before day 2

it'll probably happen, but I'll be impressed

[mortal yarrow]

People go zoom viper

You know that

[primal whale]

Ya think it will be hard?

Like difficulty wise or just hard to get your hands on the upgraded offerings?

[violet nymph]

we know absolutely nothing

[silver kettle]

little bit of column A, little bit of column B...

[violet nymph]

and all anyone wants is easier enchants

literally that's all anyone wants lol

[primal whale]

Dont pull a Bex on me right here

But well theres some insane players in the community so I wouldnt be too surprised

[silver kettle]

what I'm really hoping is that the first player to enter one just feeds

😄

[mortal yarrow]

I think if someone targets it viper they can have it down day 1

[violet nymph]

lol

[primal whale]

So you're saying that we face Uber-Izaro?

[violet nymph]

this is why i'm starting as a tanky slammer

which, with warcries, will hopefully have enough damage to do stuff like new lab or whatever

and be tanky enough to handle, uh, hits

[mortal yarrow]

Time to play dodge character

[primal whale]

I already set my eyes on the new Harbinger stuff :/ can't do lab and that at the same time

[mortal yarrow]

Rip

[violet nymph]

my goal is usually to get full map completion fast as possible

[primal whale]

Thats what I do most leagues

this time I'll go for the new uniques

[violet nymph]

and i really really hope that harvest crafting can carry my gear into maps

[primal whale]

Easily

[violet nymph]

of course there's no way i'm not gonna have to buy gear to rescap

basically i just hope i can make legitimately good weapons with harvest crafting

[next epoch]

Waiting for the introduction of uber uber elder in next league

[primal whale]

Like weapon wise you could already just use the belt recipe

for high phys stuff

[violet nymph]

ehh

[mortal yarrow]

@next epoch featuring watcher watcher's eye

[violet nymph]

some %phys does not carry a build

[primal whale]

weapon wise

Just get some HP, two life flasks and youre gucci into yellows

[violet nymph]

a weapon with some %phys does not carry a build

i'll be using 2h mace

and playing ground slam

[primal whale]

Mace lul

[violet nymph]

mace gets the best area nodes on the entire tree

i want big ground slam

and the slower attack speed means FoW is more efficient

same with impaler

[wild arch]

Base rage is 50 right?

[deep wave]

https://poedb.tw/us

1. are the new currencies used to upgrade harby uniques?

2. Does the upgraded sword look like a rifle?

[copper kernel]

we dont know and i have no idea where you see a rifle

[deep wave]

does the item HarbingerSwordUpgrade not look like a rifle? The curencies match up to the added decoration on the upgraded uniques

[primal whale]

So basically there is a new currency item called a scroll

[glass mica]

is it just me or these seed crafting options are OP as fuck

[primal whale]

which is very likely to be used to upgrade base harby stuff to the improved stuff

[glass mica]

tier 1 seed: "Augment a Magic or Rare item with a new Physical modifier with Lucky values" lmao

[copper kernel]

thats the point

[velvet palm]

Chris himself said they're broken

[glass mica]

and thats just Tier 1, which - if I understand correctly - will just drop from seed caches in any location

[violet nymph]

yeah

i'm gonna actually use this stuff while leveling lol

[glass mica]

either these will be rolled from a separate poll of shitty affixes or this is broken lol

[wild arch]

It's broken.

[gloomy bay]

I wonder, if it will be worth trying to fracture an incursion mod

[violet nymph]

oh definitely

[gloomy bay]

or at least one of the essence mods

[violet nymph]

the hardest part about crafting incursion weapons is the fact that the mod can't be made again

[oak moat]

peeps...question. If you go harvest the seeds and get nice crafting option but cant save it to anywhere. Will the option be lost when you leave the map and open new map?

[bronze cave]

UPDATED: War Bringer has been redesigned. It now causes Warcries to grant 10 Rage per 5 Power if you have less than 25 Rage, and causes them to sacrifice 10 Rage if you have at least 25 Rage. It also causes Exerted Attacks to deal 50% more Damage if a Warcry sacrificed Rage recently.

what the fug?

[gloomy bay]

Yes, tied to your map instance

[bronze cave]

This is busted

[oak moat]

oof

thanks Lenz

[wild arch]

Busted for slow exerted attacks

[oak moat]

so unlucky if you are low lvl dude harvesting and get 6link option or something and cant bank it yet...

[bronze cave]

idk what you consider slow, but you can have like 2 aps still

[glass mica]

so technically it will be lost after 15 minutes, right?

so i can jump back to hideout to grab the item

[wild arch]

The warcries exert 4-8 attacks

[bronze cave]

yeah

[gloomy bay]

You can supposedly access your stash for crafting purposes only

[bronze cave]

you can get them to 2.8 seconds cd

[gloomy bay]

Inside the garden

[glass mica]

oh ok

[bronze cave]

0.28s are spent on the warcry animation

[gloomy bay]

No storage/removal of items

[bronze cave]

so you have 2.52 seconds to do your 4-8 attacks

and then repeat

[violet nymph]

"Remove a random Fire modifier from an item" so this targeted annul saves me several exalts on a certain craft 🙂

[wild arch]

That's not the point

[glass mica]

xD

[oak moat]

but this just makes it so that we cant risk farming certain seeds until we actually have an item base to use possible outcomes on....."now how to remember all thousand seed outcomes" :/

[glass mica]

targetted annul and targeted exalt

[wild arch]

It doesn't synergise with the usual 12 or something aps zerker

[gloomy bay]

Well, you’d probably be going ragezerker instead of Blitz charges

[wild arch]

Rage management with slow attacks will be horrible without chainbreaker

[velvet palm]

B O T H

[bronze cave]

wdym rage management, you use 2-3 warcries with 2 charges each and <2.8s on each, every time you press one warcry you get 40 rage against even a single unique enemy

[violet nymph]

i wonder how expensive fractured fossils will be

cause i need quite a few

[bronze cave]

and you only use 10 rage now to get the 50% more instead of 25 rage

so if you just warcry piano you are getting net positive rage

[gloomy bay]

UPDATED: War Bringer has been redesigned. It now causes Warcries to grant 10 Rage per 5 Power if you have less than 25 Rage,
Wait a minute, Redblade Banner makes it so Warcries have infinite power

[bronze cave]

yeah you get max rage from 1 warcry with it

[storm crown]

All crys are limited anyway

So infinite power matters less

[gloomy bay]

Could you sustain Berserk indefinitely I wonder

[copper kernel]

no

[fierce torrent]

it will eventually degen by your max rage per tick thing

[keen ibex]

Holy shit that made my build plan even more busted

that new war bringer is HNNG

I remember a half hour conversation in build-planning yesterday where we discussed the best way to play around the wide swings in rage, and none of that is necessary now

[frosty aurora]

inb4 its reverted

[keen ibex]

where did you see that update?

looking at the GGGTracker and I can't find it

Oooh in the patch notes I see

Well there goes my final decision, I was 50/50 between impale bow champ and slammer zerker, slammer it is

[storm crown]

Looking at a zerker as well, exert looks crazy

[violet nymph]

starting champion ground slam

[ocean fulcrum]

I REALLY REALLY

hope that seeds dont only drop t1 from pods

[restive trellis]

I'm pretty sure pods only drop t1 seeds

it doesn't matter the rarer t1 crafts are the most powerful ones in general

[ocean fulcrum]

Then you are looking at 10 T1's for a T2, 150 T1's for a T3, and 300 T1's for a T4

¯_(ツ)_/¯

for a single seed of that tier

T1 = 5 cycles, T2 = 10 cycles, T3 = 15 cycles, T4 = 20 cycles

[cobalt falcon]

T1 always

But remember ilvl exist

Since lower map cant grow high ilvl seeds

[ocean fulcrum]

we dont know the ilvl range tho, it could be -5 levels at minimum to still level the seed

since the seeds drop at higher ilvl

[restive trellis]

I don't think seeds need lower tier seeds near them to grow

[ocean fulcrum]

to account for leveling

[restive trellis]

I think they just need them near to harvest

[ocean fulcrum]

you do need near them

[restive trellis]

never mind looked at the wrong thing

ignore what I just said

[ocean fulcrum]

so 1 extractor can hit 24 pods, assuming a T1 farm, thats 240 essence per farm. to run a T2 farm of around 20 or so pods, that requires 200 T1's worth of essence per 10 cycles

is there even going to be enough space in the zone to run a single T2 farm

because that will require atleast 9 extractors for just T1's

[cobalt falcon]

If they only drop 1

We dont know how many seed will drop

[ocean fulcrum]

someone said in a video they dropped 5-6 in it?

so from just sheer volume of maps required to farm, looks like a white map farm is probably the best bet

[cobalt falcon]

ilvl still, i believe higher number will only show in higher ilvl

Then we forced to grow high ilvl seeds and grow them in higher tier map

[ocean fulcrum]

it probably works on a range

like -5 ilvl and beyond

like theres a possibility that you can trigger low tier map seeds on normal zones

because they said that the seed drops of a higher level while going through zones to account for leveling and progressing

so you can still level them up even while they are higher than you

they said quantity on map might affect life force gain

which would severely help the issue.

[dusk pivot]

Is The Impaler anointable? The new keystone

[compact junco]

keystones are not annointable

[icy lake]

i wonder if fist of war goes on cooldown on the start of attack or when the attack connects... 🤔

[wild arch]

It doesn't go on 'cooldown'

It's a unique timer that can't be increased or reduced in any way

[oak moat]

so every 1.8secs it LOADS UP your skill..no matter if you are using them or not?

[icy lake]

so then is the buff consumed on start of attack or end of attack?

[oak moat]

"providing a powerful boost when they're used, with a delay before they can be boosted again. " ....used as in when you click the skill it would consume the BOOST and start cd...mby?

so my bet is start of attack

[icy lake]

cause that matters for how much attack speed to build for the 1st, 3rd and 5th hit of the exerted attacks to hit off of seismic cry + measured fury

[oak moat]

hmm

hmpf

Ancestral Boost does not apply to repeats of the Attack

[icy lake]

yea, so just building slow enough attack to have the 3rd and 5th hit to be after cooldown ends

it's like 0.6 attacks a second and above if fist of war is consumed at the start of attack

[oak moat]

ye if it works like that then 0.6 second or slower

if u wanna get boost again

[icy lake]

right, so in game tooltip of 0.61 and greater would be ideal

but if it is consumed on hit...

[oak moat]

y...IF it works like that:)

[icy lake]

i think it is 0.91?

that's a huge difference tbh, lol

[oak moat]

i might be using it also beginning of league so we will see...depending if i go EQ or lacerate on my glad

[icy lake]

well, if it is consumed at the end of attack, that just means i don't take measured fury i guess

so the 1st and 4th hit would get fist of war with 0.61 attack speed

[violet nymph]

read the instructions on harvest, sounds insanely complicated

[lilac mirage]

You mean the leaguemechanic itself? Idk, seems fairly simple tbh

you get seeds from big, glowy seed caches -> Put seed down, next time you click a cache it'll grow -> Eventually it's ripe, click it, kill mobs. Inbetween you can either use some conduits to pipe it to another one to get big crafts, or you could just charge it immediately and get lower tier crafts

[violet nymph]

you can automate t1 seeds too

[lilac mirage]

Compared to Synthesis or - ugh - Betryal, Harvest seems like sth you'll get as soon as you play it if you haven't already

[violet nymph]

I think one of the biggest problems will be the 8 crafts max at once

[frail mirage]

Yeah more complicated than legion but probably less complicated than even temple (which was never that bad)

[violet nymph]

instad of 48 since that’s the max

[lilac mirage]

Incursion just had lots of rooms to memorize

but the concept was simple

[frail mirage]

Yeah I think this will be similar... If you want to target farm stuff there is alot to memorise but the actual gameplay will be easy.

[lilac mirage]

Yup, agreed

These are usually my fav leagues

enough complexity to get into, but simple enough to get how it works after 2-3 engagements with the mechanic

I didn't get betrayal or synthesis until I watched guides on it... That's just rough IMO, I wanna learn by doing y'know

[velvet palm]

Betrayal cool

[sonic ferry]

is this broken??

[cobalt field]

Wait till you see the exalt one

[sonic ferry]

just saw it

wow

[copper kernel]

you can safely assume its going to be as rare as an exalt

[violet nymph]

tbh those crafts are overhyped

they’ll most likely be as rare the drops themselves

[eager terrace]

after the past few leagues

I have no doubt this league will poop currency at extreme velocities

[twin tendon]

where do you see that

[oak moat]

same as the 6link craft

looks great...prolly super rare chance

[bronze cave]

yeah people somehow think that it being on a t1 seed equals that it's common

[bronze cave]

are the new influenced mods we can craft already datamined from the torrent?

Or is that data not in there?

[hollow wharf]

not in there, only image/model/audio

[bronze cave]

I see thanks. Do you know from experience when that information is usually available for the public?

[hollow wharf]

no changes in patchnote, should be safe

[bronze cave]

what is safe?

[languid path]

there is no new influenced mod

[bronze cave]

uhh pretty sure there arew

[languid path]

all influenced mods from harvest are drawn from the current pool

[bronze cave]

Added new Elderslayer influence modifiers to several slots.

from the patch notes

[hollow wharf]

Audio/Dialogue/NPC/DaughterOfSinPet ... a tencent only sin pet with 37 chinese audios

[bronze cave]

or am i misunderstanding something @languid path ?

[languid path]

yeah sorry, I missed that, then it will be available here https://poedb.tw/us/mod.php when the patch come out and chaun finishes extracting them

[bronze cave]

chuan take my energy

the data mining guys dont get the reddit praise for some reason

but god knows we'd be fuged without that information

[copper kernel]

you can datamine only so much

considering ggg strip a lot of info from the torrent

[bronze cave]

yeah, but i remember when conquerors first came out, i could already look at the mods like an hour before the league even started

that was p cool

[hollow wharf]

there is no Data in torrent. after server ggg server shutdown and patch server live, we could get the Data

and we will try to decrypt all data file, about 602 in Delirium

[violet nymph]

@hollow wharf those stashes we need to buy them ?

sorry for the ping

[hollow wharf]

of course, I don't think they are free

[bronze cave]

very very likely

they never give free stashes

[violet nymph]

cool, more stashes to buy

🙄

[south aspen]

farmer league farmer league

[frosty basin]

Question about Harvest: from what I understand, when a seed drops you don't know what crafting modifier it's going to have; you only find that out after you harvest it. After you harvest it, is it possible to trade it?
In other words, if I want to obtain specifically this craft by trading with players:

Reforge the colour of a non-white socket on an item, turning it White
would that be possible?

[bronze cave]

no

once you plant the seed, its not tradeable anymore

all you can do is trade it in the sense of that someone can give you their item, you apply the craft and he pays you

[frosty basin]

oh no, so there will be a lot of "X seed service" which could be scams.

[bronze cave]

but thats not safe scam wise

yup

[frosty basin]

time to make friends I guess :(

[bronze cave]

trying times for all of us

[finite lintel]

Those stashes will be great QoL features if they come in early harvest

[frosty basin]

Augment an item with a new Life modifierAugment an item with a new Life modifier
/
Augment an item with a new Life modifier with Lucky values

Wow this is big!

the same thing exists with Speed instead of Life. For boots!

also

Randomise the numeric values of the random Speed modifiers on a Magic or Rare item Remove a random Speed modifier from an item and add a new Speed modifier
to upgrade the Movement Speed modifier. wow! (same exists for Life actually!)

[normal kraken]

it just rerolls the values within the same tier

[frosty basin]

oops I meant this one

[wintry apex]

The stashes seem hardly useful tbh. Especially the metamorph one. I'd rather be able to search for organ mods on all parts at once instead of going through each part type seperately.

[frosty basin]

Remove a random Speed modifier from an item and add a new Speed modifier

I guess we don't know what Facetor's Lens does, or the other new currency items.

[bronze cave]

lens we know

yeah that speed craft is so good, on boots there is no other speed modifier than movement speed

except on like redeemer bases

[frosty basin]

what does lens do?

[bronze cave]

transfers exp to another gem

[wintry apex]

50% of total xp of a corrupted gem to another one. especially useful for bricked lvl 3 enlightens etc.

[dusty umbra]

@frosty basin what if it doesnt have modi to remove can we use it tho

[wintry apex]

It's only really useful for level 2 enlightens etc. and awakened gems though since the xp will be wasted on other gems

[bronze cave]

can you use remove sufix add predifx beastcraft if theres no suffix to remove?

I would say same rules apply here

[frosty basin]

can't you just buy gems with a high-level character, then the gems will be level 10 or so

or would it only allow you to transfer xp directly, and a levelled up gem has 0 xp

[hasty perch]

wouldn't matter

level 10 gem is low xp

and you have a limited amount of crafts

[frosty basin]

oh damn I can't read

[wintry apex]

level 10 gem probably not even has 1% of the xp of a level 20 one.

[frosty basin]

50% of total xp

[cobalt field]

Yeah it sounds like it's just to salvage bricked empower/awakened gems

[frosty basin]

Change an Offering to the Goddess into a Tribute to the Goddess
Change an Offering to the Goddess into a Gift to the Goddess
Change an Offering to the Goddess into a Dedication to the Goddess

do we know what those are?

[wintry apex]

Oh my bad, it's more than I thought. A level 10 gem has roughly 3% of the xp of a level 20 one.

[cobalt field]

We don't know yet

Bex teased belt enchants but nothing specific

[low kindle]

So, in order to slam crusader splode mod you need to block phys reflect, damage taken as and fill all suffixes OR not use a base with armour

[bronze cave]

we are getting new mods anyway

[low kindle]

Then you slam phys mod and get splode

[bronze cave]

i would assume one of the new mods theyre adding is a crusader prefix so that you cant do stuff like that too easily

[wintry apex]

Oh right, we get completely new influence mods we don't really know anything about yet, right?

[low kindle]

I don't think targeted exalts would be common

[bronze cave]

yep we know nothing

"Added new Elderslayer influence modifiers to several slots."

is all we know

[low kindle]

Also this requires some preparation anyway

Damn what a shame that you can't craft Korells mod on chests

[wintry apex]

Maybe the poedb guys have something already?

[bronze cave]

they said they cant datamine ywet

the info is only there once the patch server goes live

so once we can patch, they can datamine. The data is removed from the torrent, so they cant use that

[low kindle]

Lol you can slam spell crit with a finger snap

No other caster mods

[woeful mango]

wait, there is auto-planting? how awsome is that 😄

[winged basin]

anyone know anything about team harvest mechanics, all get seeds or now?

[hasty perch]

map owner gets seeds

[winged basin]

before maps?

leveling staff?

[hasty perch]

instance owner probably

or first come first serve

[winged basin]

wow so bad , ty anyway

[hasty perch]

you do get more loot if you do the grove in group tho they said

so optimal way is probably each farm maps solo

then group to kill monsters in grove in a rotation

[normal kraken]

I wonder what happens if the map owner dies in a map grove with no portals left

[hasty perch]

hm his body decomposes then at some point the police forces his door open and finds a corpse

oh in game you mean?

probably resets

[normal kraken]

I meant if the map owner dies with other party members remaining in the grove

[hasty perch]

same as other maps

they can pick it up

the moment you leave a map your allocated loot gets free

and if the craft option is owner only

[normal kraken]

and what about the crafts

[hasty perch]

well you fight for nothing

probably

[frosty aurora]

league mechanics and parties...

h@h@h@

[ebon kiln]

Which lvl seeds give craft for which itemlevel?

Or how does it work?

[sacred wyvern]

probably the item level of the seed

so based on the area level it dropped in

[ebon kiln]

But how do i get iL 85 seeds. Explode mod for example is 85

[sacred wyvern]

hmm dont think it works like that

[echo dove]

We have seen no info on any of the level requirement stuff.

so this is all speculation

[sacred wyvern]

all crafts are based on the item level of the item you are crafting

it is speculation, but there is simply no way ggg is making the 6l craft available at level 1

so there must be some hidden level requirement

[violet nymph]

are u forced to use multiple colors of seed?

im doing tank kind of wanted to go all blue

[ebon kiln]

Yeah but they said u get slams while leveling because u cant make high tier items with it. So they are limiting somehow low level seeds to craft on endgame items

[echo dove]

you will likely never have enough t1 seeds to need to bother specializing

[sacred wyvern]

for higher tiers they have to be surrounded by other seeds of different color, and you have to use stored lifeforce

[violet nymph]

oh ok thanks

[sacred wyvern]

to make them grow

[violet nymph]

i'll definitely be getting as many seeds from the coast as possible

[sacred wyvern]

Yeah but they said u get slams while leveling because u cant make high tier items with it. So they are limiting somehow low level seeds to craft on endgame items
@ebon kiln low item level chestpieces and 2h weapons cant 6l so having the craft contradicts game logic

slams however

exalted orbs drop at all levels

technically

[violet nymph]

so just plant as much of anything as possible?

[sacred wyvern]

in the beginning that might be the best option

keep t1 seed together with others of the same color

put as much under a collector as possible

[violet nymph]

somewhere i saw , u should keep them 2 spaces apart

[sacred wyvern]

there were some charts that showed potential optimal setups

there are however 4 tiers and the setup only accounted for 3

[violet nymph]

this sounds complicated and easy at the same time depending on how you look at it 🤔

[ebon kiln]

@sacred wyvern i mean they said they can give alot of crafting options while leveling because they are useless for endgame and then they make them rarer on higher levels because they become worthy

[sacred wyvern]

hmm so farming low level zones is back?

to get specific crafts?

cant wait to see what people come up with

if we can target farm the currency crafts it might crash the market

1ex for 10c is insane

but probably rare

[violet nymph]

so oils, divination cards, exalts and divine orbs with the seeds

[gentle kayak]

Do we know roughly what time ET we can join the queue? I never know. is it 1 hr before laucnh? 3 hrs?

[violet nymph]

"Sacrifice a stack of Divination Cards for that many different Divination Cards". How op could this be?

[copper kernel]

not very

considering stacked decks are not worth using

[violet nymph]

🤷

i've been very lucky with stacked decks the past few leagues

purple is good has both the oils and divine orb in t2

[gentle kayak]

Do we have NeverSink yet

[echo shale]

almost

he's doing the final touches

[warm knoll]

I've skipped delirium league and I'm about to play bleed bow gladiator during the harvest league, how the bleed work ? does it stack ? does stacking make more damage ?

[marsh wyvern]

@warm knoll https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Bleed

[hasty perch]

you attack several times on bosses to get the highest bleed roll possible

outside of that no need to attack more than once

[warm knoll]

that genius

[marsh wyvern]

you can use crimson dance to stack them but personally ive found that it doesnt work well unless you got a high attack speed

[warm knoll]

"Potential damage from one bleed application is based on the base physical damage of attack that caused it" so the more physical damage I have on my bow and the more damage with bleeding I do ?

hm

I'm watching mbXtreme POB and he got this, isn't it low in phys dmg ?

[marsh wyvern]

sorta but it has some extreme bleed mods on it

[warm knoll]

Alright also I don't see anything talking about bleed roll on the wiki

[hasty perch]

even with crimson dance

it's flat out weaker than non crimson dance

at max stack

[marsh wyvern]

its 70% of the physical damage that caused the bleed

[hasty perch]

crimson dance is a bandaid fix for melees who can't force move

yes

but the thing is single bleed allows you to fish for top end and double damage

[ebon kiln]

„Normally, Exalted Orbs are very rare due to a combination of their power, tradeability, and that they work on any item. If we drop too many early in the game, they'll lose a lot of their value. However, we can give a lot of 'Physical Exalts' early in the game through Harvest as they can only be used on lower level items and don't have any implications for Endgame items. By end-game, the 'Physical Exalts' become rarer again because their value rises exponentially as they affect more items. „

[hasty perch]

making it stronger

[ebon kiln]

Thats from harvest faq

[warm knoll]

exalt 300c next league KEKW

[marsh wyvern]

@hasty perch i dont doubt what you are sayng, but wouldnt crimson dance do the same mechanically since its the 8 strongest bleeds?

[warm knoll]

I still don't understand what you were talking about with bleed roll

[hasty perch]

it would theorically but you'd never have enough hits to get the same result

[warm knoll]

Each hit have a chance to deal different bleed damage ?

[hasty perch]

to get 8 bleeds in the top 10% of your damage range with the 60% double damage mod

would require a high number of hits

[ebon kiln]

I think its something like seed level + x = max iL or something like this

[hasty perch]

on average you'd take more than 10 hits for a single one

and since you're not scaling much AS because it's not that efficient you can't really reach that

as single hit bleed will take the single strongest one

and crimson dance will take the 8 strongest ones

having effectively 7 weaker

[marsh wyvern]

but... wouldnt 8 bleeds at even 20% the strength of the biggest bleed, be better?

160% dmg vs 100%

since they all do dmg

and it would ramp up over time

[ionic fox]

Also consider bleeding needs target to move. Crimson Dance does not.

Unless you use that arrow that makes them count as moving

[marsh wyvern]

unless im completely misunderstanding teh mechanic which is quite possible

[copper kernel]

bow bleeds dont use crimson dance

with ensnaring arrow your targets are always moving

[marsh wyvern]

last time i played a bleed bow char was a very long time ago. all i remember about it really is that it was hilarious to play. just had to shoot the boss once or twice and he would just drop dead.

[tender tusk]

it's very much the same now with assailum and ensnaring arrow

[marsh wyvern]

fire TS and mobs exploded screens away

[copper kernel]

except you use split arrow now

[marsh wyvern]

heh

[tender tusk]

yeah, split arrow feels really nice

Or rain of arrows if you're a weirdo

basically you're running a clear 6L in your body, punc in your helm and then a mix of frenzy and ensnaring arrow, with whichever of each you like on mirage archer

[marsh wyvern]

i still havent really decided on what to play. was seriously considering FP arcanist brand, but now not so sure

[tender tusk]

i'm just doing a cold dot with wintertide/frost bomb/cold snap for levelling

[gentle kayak]

Does Earthshatter sound OP or am I stupid

[cobalt field]

Essence craft an item, land the fracture on the essence mod, then use a different essence

./hit a delve mod instead of either essence

That'll be useful for someone else, I don't use any essence mods on my build

[violet nymph]

someone's gonna make a fractured dictator's vaal axe or something and freak the fuck out

[cobalt field]

Yea fr

[tender tusk]

oh you can fracture items again

what the fuck

[cobalt field]

Wat, no way

You can't fracture fractured items

[violet nymph]

that shit is gonna make mirror items

[tender tusk]

no you can't

well i'd assume you can't

[violet nymph]

like, fracture dictator's then do "augment a rare item with a new physical modifier with lucky values" over and over again until flaring/merciless

hoooo boy

[tender tusk]

"Fracture a random modifier on an item with at least 5 modifiers, locking it in place. This can't be used on Influenced, Synthesised, or Fractured items"

[copper kernel]

and then you realize youll never hit merciless

[violet nymph]

i mean

it's a 1/3 chance to fracture that mod specifically

and all you need to do is alt/regal it

then craft a third prefix

to do the attempt

[tender tusk]

also the one you really want is this one "Fracture a Prefix on an item with at least 3 Prefixes. This can't be used on Influenced, Synthesised, or Fractured items."

[violet nymph]

yeah

[tender tusk]

this seems rather silly

[violet nymph]

all you want is to fracture a t1 phys mod

[cobalt field]

What two essence mods would be broken together

./essence+delve mod/two delve mods

[tender tusk]

i still think the synthesised one is way more busted

but the fractured one is p nutty

[violet nymph]

yeah if you have the amazing item already

[tender tusk]

not even tho

you do it first then craft

[violet nymph]

fractured makes it easier to get good items, synthesized makes it possible to make even better items

[tender tusk]

yeah, but that top end is what you're looking for

esp this league

[violet nymph]

i personally prefer making things that will carry builds through endgame instead of being "the best" lol

[tender tusk]

those alternate quality mods seem so cool

[violet nymph]

so fracturing t1 mods is in my best interest

[tender tusk]

24 life implicit chests lul

[cobalt field]

I have too many slots filled by uniques to be interested in lots of these crafting options 😔

[violet nymph]

so uh, crafting caster bows is way easier this league

like, ridiculously easy

so

still cost you exalts, but some of the crafting options save you like an exalt each per craft

seeds will have a different stash from regular?

yes

ew

[marsh wyvern]

i like free hats

even if they look like poo

like the last one

[violet nymph]

fun fact: if you use faceted/metallic fossils on an ilvl1 bow, the only possible prefix is added fire damage 🙂

so you save an exalt by using the fire targeted annul

instead of suffixes can't be changed

[nimble lark]

Fracture a zeal essence AS mod?

[violet nymph]

definitely

that's probably one of the best things to do since it's higher than t1

[tender tusk]

anything higher than t1 would be great

also they go magic when scoured correct?

[violet nymph]

yes

[tender tusk]

easy to roll something good then

alt spam something good

[violet nymph]

from there you can alt dictators or merciless or flaring then imprint regal until you get another one of those

etc until you have a mirror item lol

[tender tusk]

why are you rolling for t1 flat instead of t1 %phys

oh sure

imprint regal

mb

[violet nymph]

obviously dictator's is what you want there

[tender tusk]

i'd keep dictators or merciless

[violet nymph]

if you want to multimod

[tender tusk]

flaring is really eeh

[red wharf]

was there new info regarding grove management since that picture? https://i.redd.it/2ufryauhyw251.png

[tender tusk]

at least for that sort of craft

[red wharf]

like, is it cross, or square adjacement type?

[tender tusk]

crafted flat really isn't that much worse

but bench has no access to bybrid

[violet nymph]

why does +dexterity have a higher weight?

[echo dove]

That infographic isn't accurate based on preview videos

[red wharf]

what's wrong in infographic?

[violet nymph]

clearly the game wants me to make a TR build lol

[echo dove]

they have t3 seeds growing with less than 4 t2 seeds directly attached

I think nearby may just mean in the same collector area

[red wharf]

hmm

interesting, could be that different seeds have different adjacement seeds number req

[echo dove]

possibly

there's a few potential explanations

and we just don't know

[red wharf]

what are solid info?

im trying to wrap head around grove management, all i know is pretty much you place dispenser, seeds around it, place low tier seeds around high tier seeds, build somewhere else condenser etc.

[echo dove]

Honestly, we don't know much beyond that yet

[red wharf]

but, what are actually tricky decisions to make with grove management?

[echo dove]

collectors are specific to a type of seed, you can't harvest mixed

[red wharf]

oh i see

do those 5x5 areas can contain only plants of the same type? (vivid, wild etc.?)

[echo dove]

there's going to be some sort of purchase/upgrade mechanic, like a combo of hideouts and delve

From the pics, yes

[red wharf]

is the grove a unique, fixed layout map that doesnt change, no matter if you access from hideout or various maps?

(i know that grove can get map mods)

[echo dove]

appears so, yes

[frigid holly]

Zizaran posted a build guide for an EQ JUgg earlier tioday, and it in he said there was a node on the tree that prevented movement skills using exerts (so making leap slam not steal exert benefit from 'real' slams). Howveer, I cannot find this node in the full passive list on the POE website nor on the latest POB community patch. Anyone know what he was talking about?

[sacred wyvern]

ive seen the image fly about here, but i cannot find it

[cobalt field]

ah, you can also fracture incursion mods can't you

that sounds pretty good

[tender tusk]

most incursion mods are bad now tho

[cobalt field]

they're t2 with something on the side

i'm sure someone can find something degenerate with them

[sacred wyvern]

found it

not on the tree yet

@frigid holly

[gentle kayak]

@violet nymph what is a "fractured dictator's vaal axe"?

wtf i feel like im playing a game ive never played before. "fractured"?

[violet nymph]

a vaal axe with the dictator's prefix

[final plume]

What does "Exerting Attacks" mean?

[violet nymph]

fractured items are from a league in the past called synthesis

[marsh wyvern]

that seems like a weird passive to me. only reason to exist is to suck up a skill point.

[violet nymph]

that are returning now

[gentle kayak]

ooo i missed Synthesis, pretty much

[marsh wyvern]

i mean, yeah i know why it exist (leap slam) but... eh

[gentle kayak]

so what is fracture, like... the up to 3 implcitis

[marsh wyvern]

i guess its like that other one with the light radius being based on your ES instead of life

[gentle kayak]

is Earthshatter expected to be good

[violet nymph]

a fractured item is an item with a mod that can't be changed no matter what

[red wharf]

does that fracturing seedcraft selects randomly mod to lock?

[violet nymph]

yes

[red wharf]

hm

[wild arch]

@silver kettle sorry for the ping but could I get official confirmation on whether War Bringer's 50% more damage on exerted attacks applies to ailments? Don't want to waste time ascending a berserker only to find out it doesn't 😫

[red wharf]

so the less mods item has, more likely to hit mod you want to lock

aka alt spammed bases

[cobalt field]

you're restricted to using it on 5 mod items or 3 prefix/suffix items

[red wharf]

oh

i guess my idea would be too easy haha

[hot gyro]

when we can replace the ggpk file

[echo dove]

after the server goes down

[mortal yarrow]

should be in 10ish min yah?

[echo dove]

ya

[hot gyro]

good to know

[mortal yarrow]

the waiting game begins

https://tenor.com/view/so-itbegins-lord-of-the-rings-helms-deep-war-gif-3576273

[echo dove]

The waiting game began like a month ago

[mortal yarrow]

just hope launch wont be a fiesta like last time

[wild arch]

Or more depending on how much people hated delirium

[mortal yarrow]

tbf only issue i had with delirium was the colour scheme

[marsh wyvern]

honestly with the competition going on. i bet servers will be good this time

[echo dove]

delirium launch was smooth compared to some of the ones we've had

[cobalt field]

i burned out on delirium after like 3 weeks lol

[mortal yarrow]

hopefully

i dislike that you can hard funnel tho sinxar

cause trade leagues are open for the challenge

[signal quest]

Neversink needs to get updated aswell, right?

[echo dove]

https://www.twitch.tv/neversink

he's pushing the changes now

[signal quest]

Ah yeah, alright! Thanks

[marsh wyvern]

ngl the league looks like a snoozefest to me. not excited to play at all. i havent been this apathetic toward a league start since bestiary. mapping is gonna feel bad after delirium since every map wont be packed to the gills with mobs from the mirror

[mortal yarrow]

thats true

probably gonna play ssf or something and just chill this league

[wild arch]

There's still a bunch of uniques we haven't seen

Including harbinger upgrades

[gentle kayak]

"Warcries Exert 1 additional attack" what in the F does tha tmean

[livid lake]

some warcries now give a specific amount of attacks 'exerted' which means they get a special bonus, that node increases that limit by 1.

[gentle kayak]

gotcha. thx

[sacred wyvern]

are the servers down yet

[gentle kayak]

aka my if I do a certain warcry that gives Exerted Attaacks, my next whatever slam skill, for example, will do something better for x # of attacks

yes just went down. eta 20 min

[echo dove]

servers are still up...

and down

lol

logged in, got to the shores, then kicked

[livid lake]

yeah so seismic slam for instance, gives your next 4 attacks more damage and aoe, and stacks more damage and aoe for each attack that was exerted in that way, adding an extra attack will add an extra layer of damage and aoe.

[gentle kayak]

cool thx

do we think Earthshatter will be good

[livid lake]

it has potential with the fact you can stack them and then proc the, the pre-damage on bosses might be pretty good

it depends a lot on how big the aoe on the spike explosions is/can be scaled.

[wild arch]

Sounds amazing with regular impale

[gentle kayak]

wish i knew wtf impale was

is that the bleed

oh. that's like. x% of dmg from hit is added to future hit.

[violet nymph]

impale is pretty simple

assuming 100% impale chance:

[gentle kayak]

impale actually sounds awesome

[violet nymph]

when you hit an enemy, you put 1 stack of impale on them, which stores 10% of the damage you just did

[gentle kayak]

can u have multi impale stacks

[violet nymph]

yes

[livid lake]

base is 5

[violet nymph]

a single impale lasts 5 hits

[gentle kayak]

is the community suggesting that 2handed builds, like very tanky ascendancy and a warcry or two might be good HC meta?

or too early to tell

[violet nymph]

so you'll generally have 5 up at a time

100% impale chance is 50% more damage by default for pure physical attack builds

[gentle kayak]

but if i attack a target 2x with 100% impale chance, will he have now 20% of dmg stored, or is it just binary "either mob is impaled or not"

[violet nymph]

you have 2 impale stacks

so 20%

[gentle kayak]

that's insane...

[marsh wyvern]

it is

[wild arch]

Not really

[marsh wyvern]

its really strong

[leaden frost]

really you don't have to care about the extra stacks. each stack of impale does 10% of the damage 5 times

[gentle kayak]

so if u keep attacking, you'll have 40% dmg stored. assuming 100% chance to impale.

[violet nymph]

because they last 5 hits you'll have up to 5 stacks of impale

[leaden frost]

so easy 50% more

[violet nymph]

unless you have mods that say otherwise

50%

[leaden frost]

yes but the first stack is still only doing 10% per hit

[gentle kayak]

gotcha

[wild arch]

Impale was introduced as a band aid to make raw physical competitive with elemental conversion

[gentle kayak]

insane......

[violet nymph]

and any impale effect you get increases that number

[leaden frost]

so it's 50% more damage per impale. 5 impales is still 50% more overall damage

[gentle kayak]

it scales too, on future hits

[leaden frost]

because the impales don't have any affect on each other

[gentle kayak]

is there a build anyone can link me to. that seems like a pretty damn good melee slam build for harvest?

[violet nymph]

jesus christ

[gentle kayak]

assuming the streamers have made a couple

[violet nymph]

harvest is 7.32 GB lol

[echo dove]

14.4GB on steam

[wild arch]

Impales are 10% more damage at base

[leaden frost]

10% per hit over 5 hits tho

[wild arch]

You can stack up to 5 impales at base

[gentle kayak]

Doesnt seem like hte 10% on the next hit gets added to the hit though. so it won't actually scale by increasing your dmg and infinitely increasing hte impale stored dmg. i guess that would obviously be broken AF.

[wild arch]

Starting from 6th hit you're doing 50% more damage

Nah

[gentle kayak]

AKA the 10% on the next hit is a separate hit, reflected dmg.

[leaden frost]

no the impale damage doesn't count for the next impale stack

[gentle kayak]

correct

[violet nymph]

if you're playing cyclone that happens within a second, and if you're using the impaler keystone it happens on the second hit

[gentle kayak]

would be broken. could scale infinite dmg

[wild arch]

Impale is reflected damage that doesn't scale further

[gentle kayak]

on single target

[wild arch]

The only infinite damage scaling thing is viper strike assassin

[violet nymph]

viper strike is eh

clear is meh unless you're pathfinder

that being said, ancestral cry...

[gentle kayak]

so anyone have a good 2hander weapon build?

[violet nymph]

tribal fury...

[wild arch]

It's perfectly fine with AC and splash

[violet nymph]

i have a champion ground slam build, but i'm not very sure about it

[wild arch]

And you can have ancestors on warcry now

[violet nymph]

did the bot die

[marsh wyvern]

no its the paste

[violet nymph]

anyway, ignore the 300k dps on the build, it doesn't include any of the warcries or fist of war support

[marsh wyvern]

spam detected!

heh

[violet nymph]

!pob https://pastebin.com/tTN8nm6y

[rigid lake]

Ground Slam - Champion (Lvl: 94) by: Lucien

Defenses

Life: 3,540 (158%) | Reg: 621/s (17.5%) | Leech 708/s (20.0%)
Mana: 323/622 (0%) | Reg: 11/s (1.8%) | Leech 89/s (14.4%)

Secondary Defense

Secondary: Armour: 15,976
Attributes: Str: 333 Int: 48 Dex: 97
Keystones: Imbalanced Guard, The Impaler

DPS

Total DPS: 311,224@ 1.44/s
Impale DPS: 146,555

Skill

Vaal Ground Slam + Brutality + Impale + Melee Physical Damage + Ruthless
(+ Pulverise (15) from: Marohi Erqi)

Configuration

Player: Leeching, Rage: 50, Fortify
Enemy: Distance: 15, Boss: Sirus, Close Range, Taunted
Playerrecently: # Kills: 10, Taunted Enemy
Playerskill: Stance: Blood

Info:

Pastebin | Web Tree | Web PoB | Web Viewer
Created in Path of Building.

[violet nymph]

and don't use marohi erqi

it'll be expensive

lol

the important things about are: intimidating/seismic/enduring cry, the impaler, 2h mace, ruthless, and fist of war

if you line all that up you'll be doing ridiculously massive hits that are then stored by impaler

[wild arch]

Welp

League is starting very soon and I still haven't gotten official confirmation

Guess I'm not bothering with ignite slams

[violet nymph]

if you use that build @gentle kayak, make sure to use resolute technique until you get the taunt ascendancy point

[sour mountain]

what confirmation do you need Franken?

[hasty perch]

ancestral cry doesn't really work with viper strike

[sour mountain]

i'm playing cons path with a bit of ignite

[wild arch]

Whether War Bringer's damage applies to ailments

[hasty perch]

it gives you 8 to 9 exerted attacks and as a viper strike build you probs hit really super fast

[violet nymph]

i mean, not necessarily

[wild arch]

I've had people saying that it both does and doesn't

[violet nymph]

pathfinder doesn't exactly have ridiculous attack speed

[leaden frost]

sounds like it should... it doesn't say double damage with hits

[hasty perch]

the uptime would be meh

and you can already get +2 target from gear and tree

[violet nymph]

i would recommend tribal fury at all times at least

[hasty perch]

+4 target isn't going to let you skip melee splash

[wild arch]

It sounds like it should, but people are claiming it doesn't

[sour mountain]

oh, the double damage modifier? i think it should?

[hasty perch]

and +2 target and melee splash gives decent enough aoe

[gentle kayak]

When will queue open

[wild arch]

What double

[violet nymph]

imagine if melee splash was on the tree too lol

that'd be the life

[leaden frost]

ggg is usually very specific with their wording. could go either way but i'd lean towards it does

[hasty perch]

double damage is usually only hits no?

[leaden frost]

ah yep

i looked it up, double damage only affects hits

[wild arch]

I'm not talking about double damage

[leaden frost]

i mean if your ailment scales with the hit it'll still be that much bigger

[hasty perch]

I didn't quite catch what you're talking about then

[wild arch]

Exerted attacks deal 50% more damage

[leaden frost]

ah. i guess i was looking at the old warbringer

[hasty perch]

oh that , pretty much guessing

maybe maybe not

[wild arch]

It's like

It just says damage

[leaden frost]

i'd say ailments aren't attacks, they're byproducts of attacks

[wild arch]

Not attack damage specifically

[hasty perch]

yeah but it also says attack before it seems a bit weird to not write "with hits and ailments"

i'd say 50/50 of applying to everything

[leaden frost]

are you hoping it'll double dip and buff the attack and then buff the ailment again?

[wild arch]

That's to specify exerted attacks, not spells or anything else

[hasty perch]

it wouldn't double dip

[leaden frost]

yeah

[hasty perch]

it would separately double each

well i mean

+50% each

[wild arch]

I just don't want to do trickster with a fucked tree

[leaden frost]

if the hit damage is increased then the ailment damage is increased, it shouldn't then buff the ailment damage again i don't think

[wild arch]

M8

Nobody is talking about double dipping

[leaden frost]

then what are you even asking?

you asked if it would affect the ailment

[wild arch]

Yes

[hasty perch]

we're just talking about whether it does +50% hit and +0% on ailment or +50% on each

[wild arch]

Or just the hit part of the attack

[hasty perch]

as hit and ailments are separate damage anyway

double dip isn't in the game anymore for ailments

so it can't double dip anyway

[leaden frost]

the only way i understand your question is if it means double dipping

[hasty perch]

the question is basically is the ailment affected by 50%

or does the ailment deals the same as a non exerted attack damage

[leaden frost]

that's what i'm getting. is that not the description of double dipping?

[hasty perch]

no

[leaden frost]

oh as non-exerted. well no the ailment would be based on the final damage of the hit

[wild arch]

It's not that simple

[leaden frost]

but the ailment wouldn't get another 50% boost

[hasty perch]

double dip is if you deal 100 phys for example and you deal 50% of hit as dot dealing 50 dot , if you double dip on x2 you'd deal 200 phys increasing the base dot to 100 then again x2 to 200 dot instead of 50 effectively doubling the multiplier from 2 to 4

doubling both separately isn't double dipping

[wild arch]

Ailment damage has nothing to do with the hit damage btw

[hasty perch]

it's just generic global more damage

yes that's why it doesn't double dip anymore

[violet nymph]

how many more live searches should i put up 🤔

[wild arch]

10 for good measure

[violet nymph]

the items i have there probably won't appear for a few hours into the league

being searing touch and the elemental damage grand spectrum

[wild arch]

Wait when does it start?

[runic jolt]

~2 hours and 15 minutes
Unfortunately I have work until 2 hours after the league start

Although with the upshot of not having much of a queue time and not caring about any "firsts"

[marsh wyvern]

yay patched and rdy. not sure i'll play tonight tho. still dont even have an idea of what i wanna play as my starter

i'll figure it out when i pick my char

[untold dragon]

have you every tried cold DoT sinxar?

[marsh wyvern]

dont think so

the only cold stuff ive played is ice shot and winter orb

[untold dragon]

it's really smooth and fun

[scarlet perch]

ehh is patch 14.4GB??

[runic jolt]

Yep

Always big boy patches

[slow lake]

7gb on standalone

[untold dragon]

I feel like there are so many ways to turn junk items into expensive items with harvest crafting... but then I think everyone will be doing it and those items will be more common than ever. Everyone running around in 6-linked all white socket shavs lol

[marsh wyvern]

i have the feeling these crafts are gonna be 8000% more rare than people assume

[celest atlas]

but with steam it doesnt matter coz if you pc is on an steam is running in the background it will start patching asop .. while on solo you have to at least start the loader

for thats just 20 min for the 14 gb 🙂

[untold dragon]

I agree with the t3 and maybe even t2 crafts, but we'll be swimming in t1 seeds. Some crafts are going to be more rare within each seed, but if your popping 25-50+ t1 seeds every 5 maps, you're going to be able to do silly things

[marsh wyvern]

wouldnt be much incentive to play if that was the case (imo) everyone running around in mirror tier gear in the first 2 weeks.

literally everything worthless due to it being saturated with top end gear

im expecting prophecy type rng on it. sure there are good one available but GL with that

[untold dragon]

yeah, I could see it being mild or being insanity.. but I think the trade market is going to be super crazy at least early league because of it

[marsh wyvern]

its a good idea tho, esp for leveling, being able to do focused crafts on your stuff will be real nice

i honestly wish they would remove the unveiling mechanic. so tedious

[untold dragon]

It's the best league ever for SSF, but I'm also really tempted to try to find ways to make big loot with the crafting haha

[celest atlas]

i think its NOT the best for SSF .. coz it takes most of the Pain&Gain from SSF 🙂

[marsh wyvern]

lol

play HCSSF for that

[celest atlas]

hehe 🙂

[untold dragon]

good point lol.. going to be a new thing of HCSSF(no harvest crafting)BTW

[marsh wyvern]

heh

[violet nymph]

which filter should i take for league start

i think i'll just go regular cause you can craft on rares in early league

harvest stuff

[runic star]

is that a new mechanic

in login

[hot gyro]

ehm different skill tree on the website

[livid lake]

you need to set fps caps bon

[runic star]

that worked lmao

[violet nymph]

challenges don't look too bad

[runic star]

@livid lake thank you, but what the fuck, i dont even want to ask why

[livid lake]

it just maxes our your gpu without an fps cap 😄

[violet nymph]

3 new labs?

[untold dragon]

it's a harvest craft

[violet nymph]

what would we get from them tho

better enchantments maybe?

[marsh wyvern]

unlikely

just higher ilvl loot is my guess

[violet nymph]

the only thing literally anyone wants from the new lab is a more deterministic way of getting enchants

if there isn't a way to do that in any of the new lab variants, people are going to be disappointed

[sour mountain]

from what i understand, Fortune is "loot is Lucky"

[wild arch]

Would be nice to have a second slot where you put a gem in and get a random enchant for that skill

But I guess that's too much to ask

[marsh wyvern]

that would be insane

[wild arch]

No

The current system is insanity

Respect for anyone crazy enough to bother running the lab more than once to farm something this random

[sour mountain]

moving enchants to the skill gems could be good for poe2

[mortal bridge]

lab is the worst part of POE

its the one part of the game I don't look forward to

[sour mountain]

i like lab, but it's kinda...

if lab came out today? it'd be a league mechanic

and it'd be entirely optional to engage with, like every other league mechanic

[mortal bridge]

i am usually not too fond of dying at having to do the same thing all the way from satrt

start

its just frustrating for players like me

[sour mountain]

if they redo labyrinth i hope they look at games like Slay the Spire Endless to work out how to make it more interesting

[mortal bridge]

yes

its not very labirthnitc

its just annoying and unfun

its really a chore

[sour mountain]

i think the fixed map layout, while good for competitive, means it's forced to be uninteresting content

[mortal bridge]

you have to do lab for ascendeny

and izaro oneshotting u doesnt make sense

at all

whats th point then

[forest plume]

The problem with lab is the mechanic exacerbates the negative aspects of PoE; performance issues, crashes et al.

[mortal bridge]

might as wwell let me fight izaro head on

[sour mountain]

i'd love it if labyrinth had checkpoints and became a kind of... soft hardcore?

[mortal bridge]

yes

[wild arch]

Izaro oneshots?

[mortal bridge]

why dont i respawn in the room where my stash is

in low levels he can yh

[sour mountain]

izaro can kinda oneshot? if he gets a combo off?

but that's really a 'learn the fight and stop trying to do 2-key when you're trying to get 4th ascendancy at level 68

[mortal bridge]

helljust start me of at satge 1 not at town

thats justa nnoying

but yh lab is genuinely unfun in every way

[forest plume]

I have a sneaky suspicion lab will be revisited by devs in the lead up to PoE 2.0

[mortal bridge]

thank god its a boring chore

[sour mountain]

they've explicitly said that you will not need to do lab in poe2

[mortal bridge]

YES

[forest plume]

Oh happy day

[mortal bridge]

but seriosuly there is nothing fun about the labs

[rocky nebula]

Is it even worth doing league content before getting to maps?

[violet nymph]

yes, depending on build

[wild arch]

At least picking up the seeds is good

[violet nymph]

being able to make decent rares is a very good thing for leveling

[mortal bridge]

um

i only have 4 stash tabs

do i need to pay money for more

[rocky nebula]

yes

[wanton rivet]

u can start stocking up seed juice to power ur higher tier seeds afaik

[native sonnet]

yep, u can get decently far if you are just starting new, but if u r interested in playing for the long run, more stashtabs are a huge qol