if ES recharge in this context looks at your ES before applying that recovery to your life, yes, it wouldn't work
#1┃mirage-league
violet nymph
uncut wharf
harvest path of building out already?
opaque galleon
Do we have any idea of how the Chieftan Tawhoa's Chosen skill will interact with the mirage slam support?
Will Chieftans get three slams for the price of one?
vast gazelle
glancing blows is next to a set of shield and staff block nodes
and life
its in a great position lol
violet nymph
plenty of people want glancing blows without any of those nodes
violet nymph
so threads are probably a good option for those people
vast gazelle
then i realized i could just get the block too and not rely on temp block sources
and be set
tru
for everything else, theres mastercard threads of hope
violet nymph
i'm going to freak out depending on the other might and influence mods
okay, THAT'S interesting
and by interesting i mean completely uninteresting, but also cool
copper kernel
rip that node
violet nymph
50% increased isn't anything to sneeze on
will probably end up the most popular anointment if anything
they also made this travel node 2% pen instead of 1%
vast gazelle
yeah its solid just boring now
might be an overal net buff to anything that was already going there
wet plaza
Happy inquisitor noises
eager terrace
one thing I found odd
shamanistic fury lost 5% totem damage and gained 10% totem placement
so it just became more like totemic zeal
violet nymph
inexorable is really good now for any endurance charge build
okay this is pretty huge for a large selection of builds i play
10% life there instead of 8%
violet nymph
there's a whole lot of stuff that seems more optimal now so my trees are gonna look very different from now on
swift pagoda
this is broken
violet nymph
heheh
native sonnet
its fine
native sonnet
^
swift pagoda
ya I have a krangled import
violet nymph
oh that's interesting
all the totem nodes had their brand stuff removed such that brand stuff could be made independent
eager terrace
yeah
native sonnet
not all though
eager terrace
they also rearranged the minors leading to ancestral bond
so you don't have to take totem health
some of the minor changes seem annoying
violet nymph
you can get +3% max res on the tree now lol
swift pagoda
Infarnal cry VD necro starter sounds fun
violet nymph
crystal skin might actually be worth taking for once
eager terrace
at least the DE bump will make added cold damage suck less for FP
swift pagoda
crystal skin is cheap to anoint
violet nymph
WTF
sepia/black/silver is absolutely not okay as the price
anointed flesh is indigo/gold/gold
though fun fact soul of steel is now clear/gold/gold
i wonder what triple gold is now
eager terrace
which lost 5% PDR
native sonnet
is that annointed flesh?
swift pagoda
ya
native sonnet
cant tell from ur scuffed node img 
swift pagoda
violet nymph
ah
swift pagoda
this tree tho
eager terrace
hmm sleepless sentries now grants onslaught for summoning totems
native sonnet
sigh, if only spiritual command also work for minion cast speed ~
violet nymph
i do not understand at all how crystal skin isn't a gold/gold/something anoint
swift pagoda
that's way too cheap every life build will want that
violet nymph
question, does "your critical strikes do not deal extra damage" mean you still have critical strike multiplier, but it's not used for anything
violet nymph
sooooo perfect agony
swift pagoda
if you full convert ele to chaos for poison that's a buff
swift pagoda
ye that's way better
violet nymph
actually
it's not just poison bomars
EO is now required for ignite builds
or rather
you can now stack crit multi on EO ignite builds
swift pagoda
you went EO for ingites anyway
that doesn't do anything
ignite is rolled from the base hit and if it crits gets 50% more dps
opaque galleon
So yeah, anybody have a clue about how the new Chieftan ascendancy and fist of war support will work together?
Are you getting three slams for the price of one?
swift pagoda
need to see the gem info
opaque galleon
I don't see how it would conflict. Since they seem to be two separate sources of a mirage slam.
violet nymph
fist of war is not a mirage slam
swift pagoda
fist of war is just more dmg
violet nymph
all it is is a buff to your own slam every few attacks
it's basically ruthless but the more damage is on a cooldown instead of every third attack
violet nymph
no it doesn't
swift pagoda
this necro tree is way too scuffed to get instant infernal cry 
violet nymph
it improves your hit
swift pagoda
lets go down under for some nodes
violet nymph
my glad dual strike build has a penis pathing
swift pagoda
they made the bottom left corner so crowded
violet nymph
if you play bow ballista elemental, the bottom right is crowded lol
opaque galleon
"Every few seconds an ancestor appears above your character and performs your slam in unison with you", my bad I got confused by this. But looking at the video again you seem to be right.
violet nymph
oh, i guess since i only use a granite flask basically i should get imbalanced guard so the minimal armour actually mitigates stuff 🤔
all these new keystones making me think
opaque galleon
So in that case there shouldn't be any conflict with the chieftain ascendancy. Whether or not the support will work the chieftan slam as well though will be interesting to find out.
placid grotto
Is there a summary on how Harvest's mechanics will work?
native sonnet
plant seed, run maps, harvest seed, craft, profit
pearl fossil
Pop T4 within a week, get MTX.
void thicket
is there anything to do in the actual maps
or is it pretty much isolated from mapping
slender temple
not afaik
void thicket
delve-esque
slender temple
u find seeds
and do oshabi stuff
mapping just is something uc an do
if u want
it seems liek delve-esque yeah
we still need to know what the tick requiremient is to grow the garden " a bit'
and will u be able to have your garden grow in absentia (in someone elses map)
like if u doing map together does your garden grow ?
or just the hosts garden
placid grotto
Do you have to do maps or is it game time. I.e. lab also works
slender temple
i have no idea
native sonnet
map
slender temple
maybe it was explained but
what is the "tick" u need to hit?
% of monsters killed?
native sonnet
league mechanic hasnt been active in lab for as far as i know
slender temple
thats it?
native sonnet
yes
native sonnet
unknown
but there will be level range limit so u cant cheese quarry or low lvl zones
placid grotto
I really hope there's a way to cheese it
slender temple
i hope so too because this is sounding more and more like a solo crafting league
not promoting group play for league content
placid grotto
Those are the leagues I have the most fun and play the most
slender temple
i liked delirium ALOT
because of simus
actually got to meet tons of new people
chatting a
nd farming together
native sonnet
perandus was the last "group" league i can think of
where partying scale the rewards up for everyone
wet plaza
Dunno it's been good in incursion too
But in general yeah
Perandus was the last time I actually partied lots
native sonnet
yeah cuz u get so much more coins in party than solo
and then spam sarn solo when bored for deals
wild arch
Redblade Banner: No longer grants 2% of Attack Damage leeched as Life against taunted enemies. Now causes Warcries to have Infinite Power.
So that's 50% Inc warcry CDR and always max power warcries on one shield
violet nymph
it'll be good
"Added a new Strength Skill Gem - Ancestral Cry: Performs a warcry, taunting all nearby enemies to attack the user and exerting the user's next eight Strike strike attacks. Grants a buff which gives you bonus armour and melee range." please please please tell me the free ancestral call doesn't have to do with enemy power
wild arch
As far as I'm aware exerts aren't affected by power
violet nymph
getting free ancestral call for 8 attacks is pretty fucking massive
wild arch
Yeah, but don't forget the 1 ancestor anoint is on the tree now
wild arch
I'm heartbroken there were no edge of madness changes
violet nymph
gladiator double strike with everything related to strike skill clear is gonna be an early build for me in 3.11
wild arch
I wonder what's that gore shockwave skill on cauterizer
Not sure if gore fits thematically with a fire weapon
Shockwave on an axe sounds neat tho
I'm all for exploding lancing steel projectiles
Anyway, back to redblade banner
wild arch
What's the highest raw damage one hander?
wild arch
Lead sprinkler comes to mind, but idk if general's mirages will have all the damage from str
Redblade zerker with sprinkler ice crash generals
gloomy bay
I was thinking of just using Redblade Banner on Jugg just for Enduring Cry
swift pagoda
I'm making redblade zerker axe EQ bleed
hit 1 mil bleed dps not even trying, no adjustments for fist of war or zerker 50% exert
so it's actually 2 mil or so, not bad
wild arch
Is zerker really the best option for bleed?
gloomy bay
No but it’s probably the best option for warcry
swift pagoda
war bringer + aspect of carnage are 2 massive multipliers for bleed
wild arch
Doesn't it just boost the damage of exerts?
Or was it attacks in general while exerted
swift pagoda
you kind of want to
to max the shout and get rage up for beserk
beserks there just for defense
cobalt field
if nothing changes with berserk helm enchants and the reduced rage consumption on tree, you can get 20s+ berserks with chainbreaker and 80% reduced rage loss per second (40% from tree, 40% from enchant)
wet plaza
Can't you try with "attacks deal 50% more damage" I'd assume POB can handle that
swift pagoda
banner gives 65 rage when you are below 25 rage
wet plaza
If not abuse the more damage for socketed attacks a bit
cobalt field
interestingly, attacking during berserk barely changes that duration, as long as you don't hit 0
swift pagoda
@wet plaza ya well there goes that plan xD
attacks deal 50% more damage doesn't work for bleed
gloomy bay
Just scale the damage
swift pagoda
not that easy
wild arch
Lead sprinkler dual strike with shockwave and infernal cry
That's a grand total of somewhere around 1000% damage effectiveness in one swing
bronze cave
They really weren't too generous with the new numbers for ice crash
it's only going to be better than the old version after you get a substantial amount of flat dmg
bright peak
was the hh nerfed?
copper kernel
if you self cursed yes
violet nymph
Yes
violet nymph
Harvest looking like my favorite league in a while if not ever
shy belfry
How expensive were Skyforth boots in Delirium?
shy belfry
tks
cobalt falcon
shy belfry
crap
cobalt field
it went way up after people realized red reservation is nuts for heralds
exotic token
What ever came of the Eternal Lab of Fortune? I didn't see any mention of it in the patch notes
slender temple
Gift to the Goddess- MapFragment
Dedication to the Goddess - MapFragment```
thats all we knowis ther its 3 new offerings
so at least 3 new labs
slender temple
im guesing 3 new lab bosses
or just skin swaps bizzaaro izaro 1 bizzaro izaro 2 bizzaro izaro 3
velvet palm
Isn't it just more loot/enchants?
exotic token
I think those are safe assumptions
velvet palm
-Fixing the enchantment system
-MORE PLACES THAT RANDOMLY DROP ENCHANTED RANDOM BASE HELMETS
vapid gazelle
"omg perfect enchant" - ilvl 69 
cobalt field
as long as i can get my fractal thoughts with reduced berserk rage loss i'll be happy
red jackal
https://poe-antiquary.xyz/Delirium/Armour/Skyforth/1319 @shy belfry
oh, didn't scroll down
bronze cave
Is there any new keystone or mechanical change that improves melee characters tankiness?
VMS was nerfed, phys reduction nodes were removed from the tree. What is there in return that melee can use?
bronze cave
i guess every melee character picks up enduring cry then?
ember lodge
hell i'm picking it up for my ES caster with ZO
Along with Infernal cry for free covered in ash on bosses 😄
bronze cave
but then your warcries either take an eternity to use or you have to somehow get to the keystone
ember lodge
I'm planning to play a brand build, it's not like I'm doing anything else on boss fights while they are slapping away at it 😛
dusk pivot
I’m not seeing Trascendence in the Keystones post, but it was among the first announced - is that no longer a thing?
copper kernel
its probably a timeless jewel keystone
full basin
any info on new timeless keystones ?
wanton rivet
i think all the keystones are here https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2873767
actually this list is rly confusing
full basin
timeless keystones are not included there
the only one documented on wiki is Transcendence, while other 4 remains not documented
tiny flint
Theres 2 more that are missing
full basin
wiki says:
The new ones are: The Traitor, Supreme Ostentation, Chainbreaker, Transcendence, Immortal Ambition
tiny flint
We haven't seen the traitor or immortal ambition i think
full basin
What about Supreme Ostentation and Chainbreaker ? i can't find any info on those
ok actually found info on Chainbreaker
hollow scarab
The final harvest boss is the combination of the t4 bosses?
velvet ginkgo
We don't know yet
rare rose
Any good theories of what a Facetor's Lens is yet? or time-light scroll etc..
copper kernel
not really
rare rose
There are 6 scrolls and the lens. Two of the scrolls names seem to clearly imply some association with lightning (electroshock scroll) and blood explosion (haemocombustion scroll).
It might have to do with the Horticrafting station... previously we only knew about the collectors, stanchion, disperser, condenser. Horticrafting station is new... perhaps you can buff up your plants before you harvest them to get bonus rewards or a higher chance at rare crafts
cobalt field
i pray to chris that the new labyrinth keys let you open labs that let you pick the enchant you get at the end
cobalt field
there are 0 fractal thoughts with berserk reduced rage consumption and i don't wanna think about grinding for it
on standard*
violet nymph
ms is probably better for clear with the threshold
wild arch
Really? Sand perforate got a pretty substantial aoe boost as well
Then again the lack of claws kinda hurts
Unless you use gluttony 
violet nymph
i think i might start trickster TR instead of puriflame miner
so much easier to get damage on lower investment
tankiness too
violet nymph
ghost shrouds + wicked ward basically means you can't die unless you're oneshot
bated breath needs to go up a rarity tier lol
TR is quite a bit smoother through acts
especially if i can get my hands on a q u i l l r a i n
you generally don't get that for start though
placid grotto
Those Goddess pieces better not be Offerings but for Labs 1-3. I'm gonna go nuts if I have to farm for pieces in campaign
violet nymph
it's all for final lab
they are offerings
you won't get any of that until you're done with acts
placid grotto
They've released info on it?
versed dock
Think they said/showed that they are upgraded versions for a different kind of eternal lab
violet nymph
wanton rivet
Is HoA guardian a starter build never played one
velvet palm
Do you mean HoAg?
wanton rivet
yeah agony mb
velvet palm
Pretty sure it is
wanton rivet
dope thx
wild arch
Jugg is more popular
sage arch
Did traps got hurt much by passive tree changes? Couldn't get pob updated and thinking about ball lightning or explosive trap.
sage arch
oof
sage arch
yeah better than nothing, thanks for info ^^
violet nymph
kekw
hasty perch
I hope these new labs make labs actually interesting to run
violet nymph
is there any context where a skill like cyclone would be useful with shockwave lol
hasty perch
and not "oops i got golem elemental resistance enchant kekw"
violet nymph
oh fuck i forgot i had this
yeah i'm definitely playing toxic rain as my starter
2h buff is going to be amazing
rotund pine
yo guys im thinking... the new melee slam that send out spikes, plus general's cry linked to leap slam, lol
sage arch
hmm I have hentai caustic arrow effect
violet nymph
pay attention to these items
those are all (i think) the two handed weapons that use physical damage that aren't being nerfed to compensate for the 2h buffs
some of them were already almost powerful enough to be good
some of them are amazing for leveling and will become more amazing
sage arch
Debeon's Dirge Ice Crash might be good too
sage arch
hmm 0.1 as and at least %15 phys damage buff and untouched stats for Debeon's Dirge, I hope someone doesn't try it before me ^^
violet nymph
yeah seems like a whole lot of items are getting buffed by being unchanged
silver kettle
QA: "Is it a problem that Cauteriser is more dps than Disfavour for this build?"
Me: "No but it's awesome"
violet nymph
lmao
violet nymph
is the exclusion of some of these items purposeful buffs to those uniques, viper?
vast gazelle
😦
violet nymph
wideswing in particular will become probably the best leveling axe period
120-160 inc physical damage at level 18
it's already 104 pdps
silver kettle
I wasn't involved in the 2h base buffs so I don't want to speak for the people who did them
violet nymph
fair enough
the blood thorn having like 50pdps as a level 1 item is very, very fun to me
i'll need to remember to pick up a 6l one when they're cheap
i'm gonna just not talk about a few on that list that could likely become absolute fucking nuts lol
cough chaber cairn cough jorrhast cough
silver kettle
You can, it's safe. Not making any further changes until 3.12 now 😛
lucid stone
Does Hollow Palm have a minimum level now?
violet nymph
they were unchanged in patch notes
so i'm guessing no
i just wanna know what the might and influence mods are aaaaaaaaaaaa
dual strike could end up being one of the best melee clear skills in the game
lucid stone
My plan for the league is making a non-meme character starter, and then picking up all the uniques I want to play with before they get expensive.
warm knoll
you guys ready for farming simulator 2020 ?
lucid stone
What, just 50% inc ele damage?
violet nymph
it's so... simple but i also like it a lot
silver kettle
That was me!
lucid stone
:D
silver kettle
I was looking at the node and was like "This is trying so hard to give damage to every ele build with 4 different complicated stats"
lucid stone
Can you do both dark pact and pure phys skeles?
silver kettle
Why not just be...this?
lucid stone
Or do you gotta scale either the dark pact or the skeles
violet nymph
i am interested in who came up with this abomination of a cluster
looks like 1.0 stuff
lucid stone
ngl I love the simplicity
Also I like that wheel a lot
Additional projectile when forking sounds super cool
silver kettle
That was like a committee effort
lucid stone
Does it apply twice with woke fork?
silver kettle
Shows doesn't it
violet nymph
it's cool, it's just fucking wack lol
native sonnet
still bugs me how some nodes are not within their cluster backdrop
lucid stone
I really like that the tree is a lot more flavorful so that you have reasons other than budget to use the tree rather than cluster jewels.
native sonnet
do like the option of both reduce and increased fork angle
violet nymph
😛
lucid stone
I think clusters spoiled me last league for feeling inefficient with pathing.
native sonnet
not sure when it'll be useful but at least we have options
lucid stone
All these 'either or' clusters are really kicking unnatural instrinct
Like increased/reduced stats on the same wheel but different branches
violet nymph
native sonnet
dont think UI hits any of those right
silver kettle
I'm honestly disappointed that there isn't a revised thread of hope album on the front page yet
silver kettle
But but the karma
wet plaza
snitching AND not sharing
native sonnet
information is worth more than karma
wet plaza
you're on the hitlist now
native sonnet
:3
lucid stone
I'm a little disappointed that changes to the duelist jewel socket moved all the axe nodes out of range of my timeless jewel. TwT
native sonnet
lmao
lucid stone
shh shh
lucid stone
Well, it costs you a cluster socket
opaque galleon
So we think the Armageddon Brand buffs are going to make it usable again in comparison to Storm Brand.
native sonnet
X for doubt
opaque galleon
Because they seem really juicy.
copper kernel
X for doubt about any brand being playable
native sonnet
i mean it has been useable
violet nymph
we'll see 🤷
compact junco
silent steps nerfed btw so not even worth taking anymore
not even with thread of hope
iron violet
i hope that the thread of hope change isnt legit
opaque galleon
However Storm Brand just feels far better to use since it's instantly chains and hits, rather than dropping like armageddon brand.
hasty perch
yeah cluster jewels are costly
native sonnet
also storm brand buffed
opaque galleon
Was it?
native sonnet
yes
iron violet
gonna hurt like 3 or 4 of my builds 😦
normal kraken
the bottom minor node leading to silent steps makes no sense
top one is so much better in any circumstance
opaque galleon
This looks more like a nerf to me.
A slightly better crit chance and activation rate, compared to reduced damage effectiveness, and far lower detached duration.
Brands might still be good for leveling as it seems they haven't changed much in that regard, but likely will no longer be an optimal skill for end game clearing.
torpid sonnet
They added 25% reduced skill effect duration to the tree, so its now possible to reach 100% reduced skill effect duration
native sonnet
EO, unconfirmed but apparently less duration's quality is suppose to change to less instead of reduced to avoid that
torpid sonnet
oh
I think its still possible though
25% tree + 25% woke swift affliction + 15% sa +20% 2x timetwist + 15% warped timepiece
native sonnet
sa?
torpid sonnet
swift affliction
lucid stone
You can't stack swift affliction and woke swift affliction anymore
native sonnet
u cant use both woke and non woke version
lucid stone
That was a bug and it's patched
native sonnet
yes
lucid stone
I wonder what happens to vaal storm call then
native sonnet
SC and LW are the 2
torpid sonnet
any skill with an ehnchant can get 100% reduced yes
lucid stone
Does it have a set number of hits?
Just hits all at once with...however many lightning strikes vsc does?
native sonnet
but too much sacrifice/investment for instant SC
lucid stone
They removed EQ duration enchant
torpid sonnet
"Modifiers to the skill's duration will also affect the delay between these strikes"
opaque galleon
Why would you want less skill effect duration?
I know it can be useful for DoT builds because then the damage is inflicted faster that way, but beyond that I'm lost on the reasoning.
lucid stone
That is incorrect
torpid sonnet
mostly you dont, its just some specific skills
lucid stone
You don't deal faster damage with reduced duration on DoTs.
torpid sonnet
earthquake, lightning warp, storm call
opaque galleon
You don't?
opaque galleon
On no DoT, not poison, not bleed, not chaos?
Huh
So that was a lie someone fed me.
lucid stone
The support itself gives you a little bit of damage cause it has a 10%-ish More multi on it.
But the damage doesn't come from the less duration.
opaque galleon
"Tampering with the duration of a damage over time effect will affect the total amount of damage dealt by it but not its damage per second." from wiki, oof.
lucid stone
You'll do the same DoT dps, just for fewer seconds.
So less total damage
'X is inflicted faster' increases your dps
It gives you the same total damage in a lower period of time
opaque galleon
So DPS stays the same, total damage of the DoT changes as more/less durations means more/less DPS per second was applied over the duration.
opaque galleon
But total damage is really meaningless on a DoT build as you likely don't want to wait seconds or minutes for something to die.
lucid stone
Duration only really matters on things like poison.
opaque galleon
For those poison builds where you die and watch Kosis slowly die five minutes later?
lucid stone
No, it's because if you have a longer duration, you can apply more poison stacks at once.
Which means you'll be doing higher dps
opaque galleon
Would that not work the same as bleed or any other DoT stack?
violet nymph
Bleed only goes to 8
lucid stone
Bleed only goes to 8
opaque galleon
Ah
hoary snow
Viper Strike (?) deals bonus damage based on the number of poisons you’ve applied recently
violet nymph
Poison is infinite
lucid stone
So you just want to be able to have all bleeds up at once
After that, duration is useless
opaque galleon
I still don't think you want to be running a poison build where you need increased duration to kill mobs.
lucid stone
And iirc, base bleed duration is 8s
opaque galleon
Seems like you're spending a lot of time bothering to stack the poisons.
violet nymph
Poison builds just run low tolerance for clear now lol
hoary snow
It’s extraordinarily niche, but there’s videos of builds that do it
lucid stone
It's not on the number of poisons applied recently
It's a threshold gem that does number of poisons on the enemy.
hoary snow
Ah, my mistake
lucid stone
Unless they baked that stat into the gem itself and I didn't notice.
Does corpse health increase the health of zombies summoned with aukuna's will?
wild arch
@silver kettle any idea what's up with etched greatswords that had 40% accuracy?
Just double checked the wiki and I only see 30%/40% implicits 🤔
iron violet
careful bout pinging GGG staff
wild arch
Seems like all edge of madness gets is 20% extra inc accuracy and like a 15% buff to its already non-existent base damage
iron violet
Yea, that is probably correct, if there wasnt anything in patch notes about it exactly
wild arch
Once again left in the dust
iron violet
and it might even stay at 40% global accuracy
silver kettle
Edge of Madness had sweet buffs planned but we ran out of programmer time to implement them
One day
In the meantime blame corona 😀
frosty aurora
wild arch
frosty aurora
so delirium mirrors are 1 in 20 maps but you can boost it with league mechanics
can it reach 1 in 10 maps that way
mister viper
native sonnet
sirus
wanton rivet
id make a bow build if theres a bow that makes arrows behave liek d2's guided arrow
velvet palm
new reach's cool
placid grotto
is it possible to make an attack build that feels as smooth as spells?
well except Cyclone
That skill is pretty much a spell
placid grotto
bows in particular always felt really clunky because of the move options
placid grotto
with flame dash, you have to scale up cast speed in addition
placid grotto
I'll give it a shot. I generally used phase run but it has a cooldown
and of course can't jump cliffs
violet nymph
i'm not a phan of phase run unless i'm playing something very specific that needs it
like rf or lab farmers
placid grotto
I used it in Betrayal/Delve and stuck with it since then
but it does have its own issues
violet nymph
it's better now since you can use it on left click
violet nymph
all instant skills can be put on left click now
detonate mines, steelskin, molten shell, vortex
etc
warcries
placid grotto
and here I am walking like a loser lol
at least I knew enough to turn off attack on LMB
violet nymph
it's very very useful
it's literally just walk button that also casts shit and you don't have to think at all
raw locust
Have there been any details posted about Winter brand mechanics? I assume all 3 attached to a single target can inflict DoT at the same time. Do we know if the ground they drop after expiring also stacks?
And does it stack with other ground-based cold DoTs like vortex?
violet nymph
it should
though i'd say don't use vortex or arctic breath or cold snap
for a very specific reason
wintertide brand doesn't hit, the other cold dot skills do
because of this, you can keep elemental equilibrium up 100% of the time if you're using other skills in conjunction
raw locust
Interesting. If it doesn't hit, then it probably doesn't work well with ES spell leech then?
violet nymph
nope
lean lark
Question on the brands in general, if you support a ground targeted skill like Arctic breath, will if fire directly below the enemy it is attached to?
lucid stone
I think it aims for enemies that it's not attached to
lean lark
But if there is only one enemy?
lucid stone
Probably hits that enemy, but I'm not certain.
violet nymph
arcanist brand targets the enemy it's attached to
this is why i keep saying not to do skills like purifying flame, it's basically just a weaker nova skill at that point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVIMBydGysM&t=1m23s look at the timestamp @lucid stone @lean lark
purifying flame is just hitting like a nova
barely hitting anything
the only good thing about it is that you can use explode chest with it cause it's technically selfcast
lucid stone
Purifying flame sounds fun though, cause I like to watch the waves.
violet nymph
imo selfcast puriflame is better if you want to play puriflame
purely because of intensify
lucid stone
imo that's the worst way to play puriflame
violet nymph
mines are the best way
lean lark
But Arctic breath shotguns? So great for single target
lucid stone
Brands being either before or after mines depending on how bad they are
violet nymph
brands look way worse than selfcast for puriflame
at least traps and totems aim at faraway shit
lean lark
But mines may be better option still
lucid stone
It would look really pretty to brand recall purifying flame brands. ^w^
Cause you get that geometric pattern with the brands around you and they all make a ripple out from them.
It'd look like that flower of life design
vast gazelle
lotus?
violet nymph
some kind of purifying flame build and a toxic rain build
unfortunately purification isn't available
obviously
real stag
Simplify. Killification.
latent wagon
greetings! what is the Overwhelm noticed on some skills in tree?
devout osprey
silver kettle
it's just "Enemies have -X% to Total Physical Damage Reduction against your Hits" keyworded
because that was too long
sour mountain
wild arch
Does this mean that big hits have natural phys penetration now>?
devout osprey
my picture is from a noteable in the passivetree
why do you assume big hits have natural overwhelming hits
wild arch
Because that's kinda how enemy damage works
Your armour is less effective against bigger hits
Idk what this is about, I haven't seen the updated tree yet
wild arch
Any examples?
devout osprey
languid path
overwhelm is more effective on small hits, not big hit
this is your dmg against the enemy
wild arch
Oh so they just condensed phys reduction into a keyword
languid path
so things like impale which deals multiple instances of small dmg would incur a stronger armor penalty from the enemy armor
devout osprey
yes franken as viper said
wanton rivet
do all hits overwhelm if u have that notable its confusing
wanton rivet
ohh u can even use it with BV wut
devout osprey
i think it would work with BV
shy belfry
would BL be good with Aracane brand ya think?
wild arch
Overwhelm should work with spells, but most of the nodes are weapon related so you lose out quite a bit by picking them up
I think there was like one or two generic nodes somewhere in shadow's area
latent wagon
does physical damage from spells can be lowered by armor?
languid path
yes
crystal mango
violet nymph
yes
cobalt field
Depending on your skill I'm sure anointing one of those can be worth,I remember getting like 27% damage from kinetic impacts on shrapnel ballistas even though it's only melee weapons
latent wagon
I'm bit frustrated about total loss of damage reduction from tree
Althought I've never taken these notables %)
violet nymph
i just did a shadow cobra lash into toxic rain Act 1 playthrough (as if leaguestarting and getting all skill points and the lab trial), ended up 36 minutes upon reaching forest encampment
cobalt field
Wind dancer on tree + berserk for non melee more than makes up the loss of physical reduction for me 
Is it just me or is this berserk skill fucking busted
latent wagon
you mean berserk skill gem? that "burn your rage for some dr?"
violet nymph
Fist of War is definitely a bis damage multiplier
100% more damage with ailments is a particularly juicy aspect of it
the best bleed support we've ever had
bronze cave
warcry speed is so weird, even if you get all sources of it AND the support, it still takes you 0.23 seconds to use one
without the support it would be 2.77 seconds, so are your really taking a socket for 0.047 second of faster use time AND get slapped with +2s cd?
kindred dagger
wit what seismic cry, does that mean that you fourth attack will have 120% more damage ????!
bronze cave
looks like it
modest pebble
I think ggg's gonna have to buff the new impale node
ocean narwhal
Seismic cry, swing swing, intimidating cry, swing swing
hit for that 120% more damage with intimidating cry's double damage
if you're only going to use one warcry, there's no real downside to taking that keystone which makes it instant
modest pebble
why would you not use all of them at once lmao
kindred dagger
honestly there is a world with all those cry intereacion + first of war support + even phase run buff can be strong and for one time in like the whole history of the game makes it interactive and actually really need the player to play the game with the skills ! pog
this could be like doing a combo on a fighting game
ama gonna shoryuken the shit out of sirius AW8
modest pebble
@vivid notch there's a typo of tooltips of exertion skill gems, they say "exterted" instead of "exerted" wherever this line is present
devout osprey
thats not how you report a typo
modest pebble
not sure how to do it
devout osprey
devout osprey
its where u report them ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wanton rivet
The impale keystone is dope
zealous monolith
hmm did they move Glancing Blows from the preview? It seems to be 4 points further away
vast gazelle
yeah its near templar start-ish now
dense drift
So, for the new Intimidating Cry, I assume it means attacks resulting from stuff like Multistrike Support will not be exerted?
vast berry
alright
does general's cry warriors act like savior warriors. As in, do they inherit stats
silver kettle
yes. they're essentially identical
eager terrace
so do they have the same limitation they just added with this patch to savior clones
where if they use strike skills they can only hit 1 target
violet nymph
???
native sonnet
violet nymph
strength stacking what
primal dagger
tfw leap slam isn't a slam
wat
also why the fuck did they nerf exquisite blade
they reduced the multi lmao
"2h buff"
eager terrace
most crit multi got touched
primal dagger
I still cant decide on a starter
i feel like brands are gonna be really good once people figure out the right combos
i think melee is gonna still be underwhelming but warcries are gonna have some random gimp mechanic we figure out 2 weeks in
i may just do arc elementalist since archmage didnt get completely gutted and new HoT is looking spicy
plus with crafting i feel like itll scale pretty well, thoughts?
inland tulip
HoT?
vast gazelle
herald of thunder, i assume
keen brook
Is there any chance General's Cry Mirage warriors will trigger kill effects like Arena Challenger? (nvm ill ask in the other channel)
rocky nebula
In the list of notables for harvest, does it include all the cluster jewel notables too?
abstract swallow
if the ghosts from generals cry use a supported skill which counts as triggered, and I have a weapon like uul netols embrace which triggers bone nova on hit, will the ghosts also trigger bone nova?
wet plaza
Likely not. They said it's like vds/saviour clones and those didn't proc things
abstract swallow
gotcha, thanks
sacred wyvern
the wording on the new fist of war support looks like it's unaffected by cooldown recovery speed. any thoughts?
silver kettle
it's unaffected by cooldown recovery speed. it does not have a cooldown
gleaming ravine
what is meta going to be this season
hasty perch
siphoning trap
gleaming ravine
👀
sacred wyvern
no idea yet, we have no idea what is going to be strong
maybe 2h attacks, but so far it looks pretty underwhelming
hasty perch
and berserk
void wing
Facebreaker took quite a hit actually, a bunch of flat sources went poof.
jovial phoenix
Wait what about the charged slam on tectonic slam. They didnt say they will remove it completely, but they did...
jovial phoenix
It just gives aoe and fissure charges per end charges
sacred wyvern
and now consumes a charge erery third attack
jovial phoenix
Yea for nothing
violet nymph
fist of war is exactly as good as i hoped it would be
i almost want to start jugg slam now
sacred wyvern
im seriously thinking about going either tectonic slam chieftain or earthshatter berzerker
simply because i think the explosions are an easy way to get impale
but im still not sure if it works
jovial phoenix
Wait impale with elemental damage?
sacred wyvern
earthshatter deals physical damage
sacred wyvern
no without the keystone
violet nymph
i'm reminding myself
sacred wyvern
because there are so many explosions, instant max impale
jovial phoenix
Impaler is just bad in my opinion
violet nymph
it isn't
jovial phoenix
Like you will impale more than 4 times in 4 seconds
sacred wyvern
its nice burst but if you attack more than 5 times in 4 seconds you will be at 0 stacks again
would look funny while fighting bosses though
hit, run like a bitch, hit, repeat
jovial phoenix
Wait a second
You impale 4 times with one hit, or you have 4 extra impalea
I think i misread it before
violet nymph
you hit once
sacred wyvern
no 4 times first hit
violet nymph
and do 5 impales simultaneously
jovial phoenix
Wait Lol
sacred wyvern
wait does it say additional
jovial phoenix
Okay im taking back all i said
violet nymph
yes it says additional
sacred wyvern
max stack 0-0
jovial phoenix
When your Hits Impale Enemies, also Impale other Enemies near them
Inflict 4 additional Impales on Enemies you Impale
Enemies cannot be Impaled for 4 seconds after you Impale them
violet nymph
yes
sacred wyvern
whoa
jovial phoenix
So its alwayd good i you attack les than 1 per second
sacred wyvern
but does it reflect the same hit or the next
so do you need to attack twice or once
violet nymph
the snapshot of damage happens on the first hit
sacred wyvern
oh shit
violet nymph
which is why i'm saying FoW is great for it
jovial phoenix
Oh yeah
violet nymph
then the rest of the attacks do damage with the impales created by the FoW hit
this is a great starter build damage-wise
2h impaler earthquake or ground slam
i'm thinking mace for the big aoe
sacred wyvern
ok so does it consume a stack on the first hit or the second
jovial phoenix
Second of cpurse
sacred wyvern
so 6 attacks in 4 seconds
violet nymph
the rest of the hits do damage based on that hit
sacred wyvern
to reach 0 stacks
violet nymph
i'm saying it's good specifically because of how FoW works
sacred wyvern
lol
jovial phoenix
Haha
sacred wyvern
"yes"
violet nymph
you do your impales, wait a bit, SLAM, then they've got huge fucking impales on them
repeat
jovial phoenix
Now i rewlised you can have max 5 impales on an enemy and u cant increase that number i think
sacred wyvern
but the max is 5 stacks, and since they removed deep cuts you can only get more with pride watchers eye
violet nymph
unless you play champion lol
sacred wyvern
and champion didnt think of that
sacred wyvern
unless you play the waiting game
sacred wyvern
yes 9 max
jovial phoenix
Oh shit
sacred wyvern
if you have champions master of metal and pride watchers eye
jovial phoenix
Where do you know about max stacks btw
sacred wyvern
wiki
also i played impale champion a few leagues ago
rip deep cuts though
node was insane
jovial phoenix
Theres nothing on the wiki about a cap of stacks, at least i dont see it
jovial phoenix
A target may have multiple impale effects on it at once, all of which deal damage to that target each time it is hit.[1
violet nymph
"You can also get this as a crafted mod on rings, amulet and belts."
sacred wyvern
jovial phoenix
Yes but
When you hit
Yoh apply 5 impales with that node at once
So you can wait between every hit
4 seconds
And apply 5times 5 hits
Or am i totally wrong
sacred wyvern
jovial phoenix
Exactly what im talking about
sacred wyvern
it remains in effect until the max is reached
jovial phoenix
Nooo
Theres nothing said about that
It has no max, the enemy can have infinite impales on them theoretically
But they expire each hit by one stack of itself(so at 5 it will be removed)
jovial phoenix
See how strong it is dude
sacred wyvern
after 5 hits they have 25 stacks
jovial phoenix
Oh yeaah xd
jovial phoenix
You and nearby Allies deal 6 to 12 added Physical Damage for
each Impale on Enemy
You could play some kind of support for melee builds lol
sacred wyvern
no they would also consume the stacks
jovial phoenix
Oh true
sacred wyvern
actually i was wrong its not 45
because you consume 1 every time
so its 36
still insane
uh 37
first doesnt count
333 avg added damage
violet nymph
94
sacred wyvern
damn
violet nymph
feel free to remove jewel sockets lol
violet nymph
jovial phoenix
5(9stacks)10(8,9)15(7,8,9)20(6,7,8,9)25(5,6,7,8,9)30(4,5,6,7,8,9),35(3,4,5,6,7,8,9),40(2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9),45(1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) the numbers in brackets are eaxh the 5impales counting its stacks.
gleaming ravine
would cyclone impale be good this league
jovial phoenix
For sure
gleaming ravine
or tectonic
jovial phoenix
Uf i see nebuloch will be like 5ex
jovial phoenix
Melissa if u want something that will work for sure as a leaguestarter go impale cyclone. I think there cant go anything wrong about that one
violet nymph
i think i want to do juggernaut ground slam with tidebreaker
jovial phoenix
That a good uniqhe
violet nymph
use pride, wait around the boss until impaler is ready.... then BOOM with fist of war, billion damage and billion damage impales
i wonder how much i can scale it
i've also got ruthless lol
this is going to be complicated to line up
i really wish there was a visual indicator for ruthless lol
like a literal 1 - 2 - 3 effect
wet plaza
Make a macro
hollow rune
impaler node would work for dual wielders?
void wing
Is there any other exerted attacks have X effect apart from the one ascendency node and few clusters?
jovial phoenix
is there actualy ANY slam support on the tree? 😄
violet nymph
it's baked into 2h support mostly
area etc
there's 47% area of effect just on mace nodes
and another 22% on some 2h nodes
i've written a tree for a juggernaut ground slam build using new stuff
jovial phoenix
yeah, but i was thinking about that when they said they will be adding support to the tree for new mechanics. I guess it doesnt matter if they make a node which says slam skills have.... or attacks with 2h weapons have...
violet nymph
it's quite a thickly built tree
jovial phoenix
what are those jewels?
violet nymph
rapid expansion, the ground slam threshold jewel
violet nymph
theoretically yes
very heavy burst damage because of ruthless, fist of war, and the impaler
not to mention the warcries
of which this build is using 3: seismic, intimidating, and enduring
though pob is only showing like 118k sirus dps 😔
but that's because none of the new gem stuff has been added
violet nymph
i'm mildly afraid that the investment required to make the build good will be too heavy
i imagine slayer might be a better ascendancy than juggernaut, actually
yeah slayer is way better
I have way more faith in the damage potential of slayer to basically any ascendancy besides champion. But I'm not gonna do champion cause impaler seems awkward with it
bronze cave
Is there any decent way to get corpses for general cry?
That's not desecrate self cast?
red wharf
dead berserker does 0 dmg though @hasty perch
wanton rivet
worm flask
bronze cave
worms dont leave corpses, do they?
hasty perch
Easily offsets 10% inc damage taken
wanton rivet
Ohh true lol
bronze cave
would be cool to run a 6l general cry together with your 6l slam, but corpse creation against bosses is a problem
wanton rivet
u can use a cwdt desecrate.. there's so many ways to make bodies
steel elbow
Or a desecrate totem/brand
wanton rivet
A lot of items have cast socketable spells too like kitavas thirst lol
bronze cave
i guess maybe i just wont use generals cry then. Totem placement speed is low if you dont invest into it, arcanist brand also triggers desecrate 3 times and then recast.
The build needs to press AW and 2-3 warcries already, if i add more stuff to press i'll never be able to actually attack
hasty perch
If you invest a lot in warcries you cqn still go like consecrated path general's cry to map clear every other pack
wanton rivet
lol u only need to use it once the corpses don't get consumed
hasty perch
Spell cascade desecrate is ok too
bronze cave
wait they dont get consumed?
after how much time are corpses automatically destroyed?
hasty perch
I'm not sure but one cascade desecrate is enough corpses for two general's cries
wanton rivet
Corpses stick around forever afaik
bronze cave
ok thats pretty sick then
bronze cave
hot damn the corpses actually stay there forever
@wanton rivet Is it confirmed that they are not consumed by generals cry?
wanton rivet
Yes
bold basalt
i think i am gonna try slayer flicker strike 2nd build
cunning blaze
I believe the impale limit is bound to a single entity. As in each minion or player character has a separate limit of 5
thats what is means with multiple impales
you and your minions can each have 5 impales, but the bonus damage from champion only applies to the impales the champion has on that enemy. Which is 7 maximum (9 with watchers eye)
cunning blaze
yep, thats why impale animate weapon champion is a great build idea 😛
wet plaza
Dunno sounds clunky to mr
cunning blaze
DW cold iron points , along with HoP
wet plaza
How do you apply impales and summon blades to animate
cunning blaze
cycloning ofc
sacred wyvern
Impale is a debuff on enemies that expires after a certain amount of hits, allies can create stack and they can consume stacks from eachother
We thought you could use the new keystone to get massive amounts of stack because it gives 5 stack in one hit
But sadly the impale debug has a duration of 8 seconds
So 10 stacks max
bronze cave
If i have the +1 exerted attacks node, seismic cry is 108% more damage on average to the 5 exerted hits?
jesus
And i can have perma uptime on that on a 4 aps build?
tacit frigate
Anyone knows if I got two general's cry socketed and use one if they both go on cooldown?
bronze cave
pretty sure they will