thats a lotta mana lost
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deep wave
viscid frost
they'll just have to make due w/ 15k es vs 20 lol
deep wave
bruh it is at least 33% less es not accoounting to grand spectrum and tempered mind nerfs
deep wave
miners
brazen arch
but i cant seem to figure it out
deep wave
FB/ice nova
brazen arch
i dont like the mine trigger
deep wave
frostblades
brazen arch
i usually make cycloners
viscid frost
ED-Cont
viscid frost
not if u get all those DoT clusters 😉
deep wave
i am probably going to leaguestart arc mines, convert to FB/ice nova or str summoner
viscid frost
baron zombie will probably still be good
deep wave
zombies die easily without SO spam
brazen arch
cwc spirit ferring ....
viscid frost
well, necros will now spam raise zombies instead lmao
deep wave
thats so slow 😦
fading cedar
Monster movement speed now has a lower limit, beyond which they cannot be slowed further.
Wait, does that include freeze and chill?
deep wave
probably?
silver kettle
it does not. freeze and chill do not change movement speed, they change action speed
brazen arch
i actually wanted to do self cast volatile dead, until i saw the 60 balls nerf
silver kettle
which does effectively mean they move more slowly (or not at all)...but it doesn't actually touch their movement speed stat
viscid frost
I played CoC VD and had no major issues
brazen arch
the whole point of vd was high aoe/ auto target
if lowing aoe for dps is what u want not worth it
viscid frost
if anything, u can skip spell cascade since you can hit the limit so fast with CoC
brazen arch
my goal was to have volatile deadkill offscreen stuff
i dont think that will work with 60 balls
viscid frost
you still can
timid geyser
Viper didn't want use having 100% reduced move speed abyssal cry 
viscid frost
1 ball can still do tons of damage with enough investment
silver kettle
just to be clear, the 60 ball limit was added in 3.9. this is just reflecting that in the tooltip
deep wave
Now displays that you are limited to a maximum of 60 orbs at a time.
timid geyser
I was trying to keep quiet on that one hoping it would slip by not going to lie.
viscid frost
the bad part of VD is still the 1~2 second delay before the balls will do anything
timid geyser
silver kettle
I tested cry wolf stacking and it was funny
hasty perch
traitor 
deep wave
are you part of balance team?
silver kettle
I'm a game designer, which includes balance yes
deep wave
Did GGG discuss mines or deciced to let it live for 1 more league?
native sonnet
viper, what did arctic breath did to you....
hasty perch
yeah
brazen arch
so whats everyone league starting with now since the patch notes are up?
hasty perch
self cast deserves being meta for once
arctic breath wasn't nerfed btw
cast speed got better so they reduced slightly per hit damage
if anything it feels better to play
outer plank
How many points are you guys saving for cluster jewels?
sour mountain
i'm probably going to league start with frost blades raider. second will be broteam levelling to get ready to have a good broteam wheel. third will be VD witch, not sure the ascendancy.
silver kettle
first I knew about the arctic breath changes was reading the notes, but isn't that a strict buff? who's using the hit damage on it?
hasty perch
idk
native sonnet
no1 now
sour mountain
arctic breath change looks like a... buff?...
sour mountain
i dont even know what the change is supposed to do. is it supposed to be easier to weave? .1 sec cut to the cast time seems meh
brazen arch
i think its safe to say its flicker strike league
sour mountain
but viper since i have you on the phone
why'd temple items get the nerfs they got?
native sonnet
rip temple and delve
timid geyser
I need to update my scuffed spreadsheet for seal mender for anyone who want to see with new numbers https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhX4hyNVp_DOcAfb_j8JrKIOvvH5z18MTTaBFHxV_pI/edit?usp=sharing
sour mountain
i never played enough to get good at delve crafting, but temple item nerfs...
hoary snow
Animate weapon is now actually playable, woo
native sonnet
how to solve the painful fossil buying process - make it so ppl dont buy them /s hahaha
deep wave
oh wait... there goes my early league crafting strat 😦
hoary snow
Though I’m guessing it still won’t animate unidentified weapons, which is probably good
deep wave
no more easy -res helmets
deep wave
yea i meant that
viscid frost
i thought u can animate blades left over from spells in 3.10, or am i remembering it wrong?
deep wave
animate weapon?
viscid frost
yeah
deep wave
yea its new thihs league
viscid frost
so instead of skeles for dps, now animate weap instead?? 😛
viscid frost
wait, not zombies, i meant skeles
deep wave
i was talking about AW
so you lost 10% of theoretical maximum dps but now it is WAY easier to use
imagine carrying 50 blades in your inventory
viscid frost
though tbh, even w/ the nerf, vaal skele is still pretty OP
deep wave
most of the damage was from the melee ones and those got a 40% nerf
so~35% nerf in damage?
viscid frost
yeah, but a burst of 30+ skeles it's hard to compete w/
granted, SO nerf will make them a lot less durable
deep wave
yea most boss aoe skills may kill them
also skelly summoners were weaker than zombie summoners defensively
viscid frost
skele mage may also become new meta as well since those didn't get nerfed
it also solves the issue of skele not doing damage due to unable to get within melee range
deep wave
you lost one of the greatest benefits of being a summoner though
minions tanking shit for you
viscid frost
u still got zombies and spectres
plus u can always summon skeles between u n the mob
deep wave
you can get decent block with femurs
storm crown
lot of high dps necros didnt even use mistress
viscid frost
not much, but better than nothing
deep wave
that free 30% res loss is going to hurt 😦
viscid frost
we r talking bout the effect on minion, pre-nerf SO makes them a lot more durable
glad lynx
Honestly i don't use mistress
deep wave
no more res cap just using rings and belt
storm crown
commander is gonna give 30 res now
deep wave
yea i guess people took mistress just for SO
without SO people will just use commander
storm crown
also they can go for essence glutton now
viscid frost
regardless, necro is still alive n well =/
deep wave
anyone going to try necro AW?
viscid frost
probably, as soon as 1 of the big streamer makes 1 😄
deep wave
mathil and Ziz i am begging you please do not make a necro
viscid frost
they'll probably do something w/ the new jewels 1st
since that's what's been talked about on discord/reddit/forum
gotta give ppl what they want 😉
deep wave
Nah that's week 2 at least
viscid frost
doesn't ziz already have access though?
deep wave
No?
viscid frost
i'll be more surprise if it really does take them that long
deep wave
Mathil was still playing his league starter at the end of week 1
viscid frost
the cluster jewel info is already public, it shouldn't be that difficult to plan a build with those in mind
deep wave
Bex confirmed that the good ones will be ilv locked
viscid frost
yeah, but those guys no-life it the 1st week
deep wave
And you might need to chaos spam a while to find a decent one
viscid frost
yeah, hardest part is going to be getting the right ones
but as long as they r playing in trade league, anything is possible with enough currency
speaking of trade league, chaos and alt prices will be wild lol
wild arch
Minions now benefit from your reflect reductions
Scion minion build with slayer and guardian/necromancer
This way you can actually afford running facebreaker ag early
zealous monolith
Do we know how the delirium mechanic interacts with bosses that are in a separate room?
sour mountain
you could stick taunt on your carrion golems too, carrion golems get chonky
uncut bolt
Any build recommendations after patch notes?
rose pasture
bold basalt
crude haven
so after patch notes - rip minions, attribute stacking, hoag guardian ... hello bows and maybe wanders - welcome back impale? 😄
slender temple
crude haven
of course with enough invest they will still be viable, but it wont be easy-mode anymore I think ... and spectres on gem lvl20 only lv 76 instead of 80 is a real hard one imho
wild arch
The only thing they nerfed is baron zombies and spectres a tiny bit
supple falcon
Non-mage skeletons took a big hit, but yeah, many minions are fine
wild arch
Every other minion is just as strong or even stronger now
HoAg lost like 2% damage per virulence, but the new herald and minion notables are gonna make it even more fucking busted
torn isle
and AW looks set to dominate.
crude haven
you can push hoag to nice dmg, but the guardian nerf will make it a lot more expensive to build something really tanky. I dont get where you get that minions have gotten any stronger ...
wild arch
The reflect change doesn't sound like much at first but enables using ag as a main summon on a budget
torn isle
do note that necromancers aren't going to have spectre gem at lv 20, they're going to put more levels into it. At higher levels, the level gap plataeus, so the difference may be way smaller.
crude haven
aw might be a nice idea - hard to tell, how it feels with just 14 instead of 50 minions though
wild arch
They reduced the number but buffed the shit out of them to make up for it
torn isle
Think of them like skeletons, but better. 😛
wild arch
Facebreaker AG's only weakness was instakilling itself with reflect
crude haven
thats a fun math thing actually for aw
wild arch
Now you're not gonna need white triads or a reflect immunity chest anymore
crude haven
dmg is buffed by 328% ... in return we only have 28% (14 instead of 50) weapons ... so around 9% nerf for aw but in return we get the 48% more that are now calculated correctly .. so def a buff in pure dmg ... still remains to be seen how it feels and whether clearspeed is ok with just 14
wild arch
It's not only buffed in damage but also has access to an infinite supply of weapons
crude haven
true - i probably would still go a chains of commands route, but that should help tremendously otherwise
wild arch
Regular aw benefits from carrion Golem tho
crude haven
on the other hand ... 40sec base duration is a shitton - depending on how clearspeedy it actually is with just 14
i mean - this wil be clearspeed league .. so if it is viable, you probably only need to spawen the weapons twice during one map
still cant help but think that bows will be meta
wild arch
Blink/mirror minions?
crude haven
😄
wild arch
Those got an insane buff with second wind
crude haven
curious when the base dmg numbers for kb and ps will be there - leveling with champ as impale melee and then refund into phys impale wander would be cool
wild arch
You can safely sit in your meat shield zombie cloud while your archer kill squad takes care of everything
dusky cobalt
well these changes are underwhelming
crude haven
which ones?
wild arch
Well yeah
Considering that the jewel notable reveal page is bigger than the patch notes
Also I wonder if they included the keystone jewels in the 16 unique items
crude haven
im actually happy that they didnt put everything in that they wanted to do - gives me hope that they actually get things right before release for once^^
wild arch
I think I wanna try a poison HoP build
crude haven
I'll probably end up with ice shot/barrage again but as a 2nd char after i got some currency from a starter^^
crude haven
blasphemy casts curses as auras .. so probably yes^^
wild arch
If only curse on hit worked on minions...
wispy crest
Why did templar not get Kinetic Bolt tho
ripe bough
Because he didn't
buoyant galleon
patch notes say: Added new item filter drop effect colour options. anyone know anything else about it?
dreamy spire
@supple falcon the opposite is true. zombies and spectres got gutted. Skeletons are just fine.
patent canyon
basically filter blade is now gonna be in rainbows n shit
storm crown
Zombies are fine
storm crown
Kinda want to try skelemages tho
oblique stone
When do they usually release the new challenges for the league?
copper kernel
when it launches
patent canyon
or if you want to know earlier then go to poedb for datamined ones once torrent is out aka 12h before launch
wintry apex
Can someone explain this bugfix to me? I'm confused by "resulted in less damage....than they were intended to deal"
Does that mean now, after the bugfix, they deal less damage?
copper kernel
spell echo and unleash spells yes
wintry apex
So in 3.9 the molten strike projectiles from multistrike repeats dealt more damage than the ones from the initial use, correct?
copper kernel
multistrike no
wintry apex
And for Greater Spell Echo the subsequent spell casts before did not apply the damage multiplier from Greater Spell Echo at all?
If that is fixed with the patch, how does that result in less damage?
Greater Spell Echo doesn't have a damage penalty that could be enforced
It only has a damage amplification that could have been neglected
So the only logical conclusion would be that it deals more damage now
Why are they saying that it used to have more damage?
I'm super confused
unborn depot
Blade vortex
Was not affected by the reduction from unleash
So was dealing more than it should have
For example
wintry apex
Unleash okay, that makes sense, because it has a penalty.
But I'm asking for greater spell echo
Because that only has a damage amplification
wintry apex
If it turned out that greater spell echo didn't have a damage amp for "disconnected" ice novas from frostbolts, and that is fixed now, that'd be HUGE
unborn depot
Yeah, but I don't think it's one of those cases
It's the weird 2-part spells with a buff like BV that probably had this
wintry apex
Great for a lot of strike skills
I'd still like confirmation for ice nova because I'm considering to play it
torn isle
ice nova will still be great regardless.
unborn depot
I don't think it falls under the "disconnected from initial skill use" criteria, all they frostbolt interaction did was mkve the location of the nova
So it's unaffected by this change most likely
wintry apex
But it also made it disconnected from the character animation. Single cast animation, multiple repeats on frostbolt.
The location isn't the only thing
If it was just the location I would agree with you, but it isn't just that
torn isle
Still don't think that siufficiently counts as a disconnect, but can't say for sure.
regardless, ice nova is still going to be good, just play it if it interests you.
last river
So having seen the new life nodes(and assuming life-enchanted small jewels aren't an onslaught boots style non-item) it seems like there's a lot of totally new build paths possible that almost completely ignore life and just get it on jewels.
Fettle is basically discipline and training, and you can get 2 jewels for 20% + 40 flat life. It's like everyone can grab a few nodes from the scion life wheel
vast bay
Depends ho easy are those jewels to get, but yes.
wintry apex
It's more akin to everyone can have easier access to class starter life nodes
I would expect the life nodes to be rather rare, as small jewels are already the rarest Jewel type
wispy crest
Small jewels are the rarest ? How did you figure that out ?
copper kernel
because they told us
unborn depot
I asked this in the other channel and no one was sure, but what's your interpretation of the shrapnel ballista change? "Now deals base damage and has an added damage effectiveness of 38% at gem level 1 (from 33%), up to 44% at gem level 20 (from 38%)."
The "now deals base damage" part
I thought it already dealt base damage
ivory fog
Is the new league out already?
wintry apex
Read it as "now deals (a) base damage (...) of 38% at gem level 1 (from 33%)". It already had the 33%, now it's 38%
Afaik the %base damage and damage effectiveness is always equal anyways
lean lark
Do we know how the new Mana support works with reduced Mana cost?
wintry apex
Yes. The damage bonus is based on Mana cost, so reducing Mana cost reduces damage bonus
lean lark
Sanctuary of thought is dumb now if that is true
unborn depot
Strange that they need to restate the base damage part if its purely a numerical change
formal crypt
Basically shrapnel ballista got a non insignificant buff
But I think it might not be enough for me
unborn depot
It's like 15% I guess
unkempt dome
is playing cyclone logic for delirium?
patent canyon
no its against all logic. fog goes in 1 direction while you are just spinning, those dont match at all
placid bone
Go witch and scale spell damage and see where that takes you
lucid monolith
Can you customize reward on delirium or it's all random like Temple trial ?
unkempt dome
I want to play melee
unborn depot
Spin the opposite direction to pull the fog inwards instead
frigid holly
How long does it usually take PoB to update once patch notes available?
copper kernel
a week probably
native sonnet
didnt openarl posted an update onr eddit?
gritty helm
So what's shaking out to be good Delirium builds?
hushed sequoia
Ed cont gonna be strong
wild arch
Just like ED/contagion
patent canyon
ed is like 20x worse than any minion build both on clear and single
wild arch
It already struggles at higher maps, and delirium will only add more hp to the mobs
patent canyon
so if your ed starter includes 20ex gear and woke gems then yes, it is good
wild arch
Btw does anyone know if the barrage arrow nova interaction is still a thing or was it fixed
safe leaf
thinking of starting BV Elementalist
making use of blade blast for more single target maybe
wild arch
Hmm
Just had a weird idea
If you put bodyswap into traps I'm assuming it will deal damage based on the traps' health 🤔
wet plaza
1
wild arch
Yeah
Oh
If you have the gluttony belt will your totems take damage if they cast movement spells?
wild arch
I know that the totems take damage on ignite with eye of innocence
I'm assuming this should work the same way
Just tested it and unfortunately it only deals damage to you on summon
rustic mountain
Is this the place to talk about what we are planning for a starter on delirium league?
wild arch
Yeah here is fine
rustic mountain
so who here is planning on using 2 external slots for large/ mediums/ smalls
tender tusk
i have a tree for 1 and 2
rustic mountain
I'm gonna try an animate weapon guardian build with the new spellslinger support
tender tusk
depending how good the smaller nodes are
rustic mountain
I'm assuming the number of passives is around 23
based on the image we saw
per external
dusty umbra
@rustic mountain 2 slots and around 23-26 passives i can use for me
rustic mountain
yeah thats what I saw too
wild arch
Animated weapon spellslinger?
dusty umbra
16 per outer is ok
rustic mountain
yeah
so spellslinger can cast bladefall and animate weapon
and its an attack
so a lot of synergy in the templar area
dusty umbra
I might just use large-med-small in one outer and just large with 2 notables + 2 jewels in other
wild arch
So you want to waste a gem support to make it a bit lazier?
tender tusk
That's pretty much what i was looking at doing
rustic mountain
its 2 spellslingers
tender tusk
for large i was otherwise hoping for 2 jewel sockets + 2 small node buffs
rustic mountain
basically stay mobile using fast attacks
tender tusk
and then socketing the mediums with the notables i want
wild arch
Where's your mana to reserve auras for the minions?
rustic mountain
thats the last thing I'm sussing out
with the small reservation though its not all that much
15% + modifiers per spell
wild arch
The reservation starts at 15% and goes up with every support
dusty umbra
@tender tusk large-med-small 16 - 18 passive p used ; large with 2x notables and 2 normal jews 8 points used +- few points
rustic mountain
thought about doing radiant faith and using prism guardian to get one aura out
dusty umbra
Hard to yet calculate best min max scenario
wild arch
There's very little point in one aura
rustic mountain
or two lol
tender tusk
it depends how good the small nodes are
rustic mountain
I want a lazy starter that I'm not blasting my fingers on the keyboard for
tired of facerolling 5 different interactions
wild arch
Why not limit yourself to scaling just one thing then
tender tusk
large jewels kinda suck if the small node buffs are bad
wild arch
Like bladefall and blade blast
rustic mountain
I mean it's 100% minion focused
dusty umbra
Im ignoring how good or bad small passives are rn
rustic mountain
the rest just is sugar
dusty umbra
Even if they are shitty they are just bonus
What i want is 50% inc skill duration 35% chaos dmg 6% chaos multi from 2x notables on each large
tender tusk
Shouldn't be too hard
rustic mountain
http://poeurl.com/cLLO is what I'm starting with
though I'ma be honest I dont know how fearsome force is gonna work with the spellslinger casting the skills
rustic mountain
even though spellslinger is casting it?
does minion AOE affect instability
gonna be honest this is the first time I'm thinking of doing a minion guardian
wild arch
Spellslinger is triggering it
wild arch
This setup is just too janky and you sacrifice too much for no gain
rustic mountain
What am I sacrificing?
so I was thinking slinger -> cull -> bladefall and the new zigzag wand attack (just cause its rad) -> faster attacks -> maim
the 6l is the animate weapon
wild arch
You're sacrificing loads of mana that you're supposed to use for auras
What about other minions?
rustic mountain
Like?
storm crown
considering spellslinger is cheaper than blasphemy, could use it to cast curses
rustic mountain
found my last link then
jaunty wadi
Yo guys what do u plan on starting with? Was gonna do necro but seems like it’s nerfed quite a bit
iron violet
necro
jaunty wadi
Gonna miss that ES from spirit offering tho
iron violet
eh
jaunty wadi
Was so op
jaunty wadi
Ya and those resistances, man gonna miss not having to worry about resists on gear
Kinda like animate weap idea, but never played with it, isn’t in annoying to target stuff on the ground to summon it?
rustic mountain
thats why I'm gonna use spellslinger
jaunty wadi
Oh, what does it do?
rustic mountain
for 3 spells: bladefall, animate weapon, vulnerability
when you do a wand attack, cast linked skills
jaunty wadi
Is it gonna pick a random weapon from the ground?
rustic mountain
yes
jaunty wadi
Oh that’s neat
rustic mountain
but it can pick the blades that fall from bladefall
so you dont need loot on the floor anymore
bladefall makes daggers
no clue how good the daggers are though
if they are good this skill is gonna be fun jank
jaunty wadi
Probs those white glass shanks
rustic mountain
they looked way different in the preview vid
even with a white shank I was getting 500k dps casually on a level50 build
jaunty wadi
Oh, I’ll consider that, saw a guide in the witch section
rustic mountain
yeah all depends on the new skill too because I have old animate weapon values
jaunty wadi
And that’s 500k with broken minion damage modifiers?
rustic mountain
Don't do what I do though, I make jank builds and get bored after two weeks
yeah I don't have the new gems in or anything
idk what my links are going to be either
jaunty wadi
Cuz in patch notes they said it wasn’t taking into account those +minion damage/whatever from gear/tree
rustic mountain
slinger -> animate -> minion damage -> multistrike, and if the blades are crap its probably added chaos/ lightning
well I'm using PoB whoch should be taking it into account
I just don't know how the more multipliers come into play now
looks like it's gonna be roughly equivalent on the PoB
torn isle
if you're going to specifically add cull to your links, why not just use power siphon which inherently culls.
rustic mountain
power siphon hits only one thing. new skill hits lots of things
(also rule of cool)
torn isle
you know power siphon was buffed some time ago to have multi-projectiles, right??
rustic mountain
nope
torn isle
Well now you do. 😛
rustic mountain
guess I am using power siphon lol
swift sequoia
anyone have the picture with the notables handy?
sharp iron
Has there been a lot of "highlights of the new notables" posts on reddit? I want to make one to highlight which ones I think are best or otherwise stand out, but I don't want to do that if there's already been 10 or so.
wild arch
Haven't seen any at all
sharp iron
I'll make one then
lucid stone
Dangit, archmage doesn't work with mines.
strong umbra
how many of the corner jewel slots are we gonna need to use these new notable jewels? Like if i grab two of them on the tree, will that mean i can only use two of the new unique jewels?
rustic mountain
babsa, it goes based on size
2 externals you can do a lot
depending on how you want to do it
strong umbra
i see
rustic mountain
theres large, medium and small clusters
anything can hook up to an external but you can only go down in size from there
so external -> med -> small
for example
its on the cluster page
strong umbra
ah thanks man
rustic mountain
I'm trying for 2 external with large -> med -> smalls
strong umbra
i'm trying to think about how many points i'm gonna need to leave available on my build
rustic mountain
which means I'm basically tying up 46 passive points
strong umbra
ahh okay
rustic mountain
yeah its a lot from a large
their example was 23 passive points
from one external
strong umbra
i wonder how many unique notables you can fit in that
strong umbra
because i am looking at doing a warcry build and might tack on some channeling (cyclone) notables
so probably looking at 4-5
wild arch
the same notables stack but need to be on different jewels
rustic mountain
I'm doing animate weapon because its interesting to me
strong umbra
seriously? that seems op hell
rustic mountain
and I don't have enough time to care about much more than launch weekend
brave moat
Just sanity checking: Did they already backpedal on spell slinger reserving 15% mana? New Gem shows 20%.
unkempt notch
Yeah if I understand correctly they have pre-nerfed spellsinger in 2 different ways
- Base reservation is now 20%, which is huge because thats like 33% more mana reserved after multipliers
2. It looks like mana reservation modifiers won't help you, which means you can't stack mana reserve sources to lower the cost (Works like blasphemy)
- It looks like the base cooldown doesn't budge from .5 s
At some point I thought it was mentioned the base cooldown of the skill goes down with level but it appears to just give cooldown reductions which will stack additively with other cooldown sources
Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere please.
brave moat
There already was a huge opportunity cost associated with it: You lose a higher damage multiplier and can't exceed the 0.5s.. and you have to attack with wands.
unkempt notch
"This spell's Mana Reservation is the total of the Mana Reservations of Supported Skills, and cannot be further modified"
If I read this correctly that means reduced mana nodes on the tree and gear will not reduce the cost of spellsinger. Perhaps a necessary move if people are already known to stack huge amount of reserve reduction, but I personally didn't anticipate this.
wild arch
Reserve cost reduction will apply
unkempt notch
and obviously it Spellsinger does not benefit from dual wielding either.
wild arch
Generic mana cost reductions won't
unkempt notch
hm, I have never that particular line with regards to Mana Reservations.. "cannot be further modified" so I was just guessing, has GGG confirmed what it means?
[–]Rory_RackhamBalance & Design [score hidden] 10 minutes ago
The value was updated to 20%, but it works just like Blasphemy, so mana multipliers and reservation cost modifiers affect the reservation cost, just not effects that apply to mana cost like flat cost modifiers or Inspiration Support
Sorry for the misinformation, I'll go back and fix it
minor oyster
Ok so... if I use Poets Pen and Spellslinger to trigger skills supported by Archmage and I have a large unreserved mana pool... I get all of the extra damage at "no" cost right?
oh nvm
cant support triggered... whats the point of the conditional modifier on the last line then?
when would you ever use a skill that you can't afford?
unkempt notch
Still even after the pre-patch "nerf" I am excited to use spellsinger
silver kettle
@minor oyster most skills don't only deal damage the instant you use them. quite a lot (e.g. Storm Brand) deal damage for a long period after you spend mana
minor oyster
wouldn't it check on cast tho
why would it continually be checking?
oh nvm i just realized the use case
vaal clarity or soul taker
otherwise you'd get all the benefit for no cost
hasty perch
btw is archmage poorly worded?
or it's really 6% of unreserved mana as lightning
because between having it flat and having 1 to that value damage
it's just like mind of the council wording
seems weird
wild arch
It changes base mana cost to 6% unreserved
And gives damage equal to 127% of final mana cost
After all increases and reductions
hasty perch
yes
minor oyster
IF you can afford it :p
hasty perch
but what i'm asking is if it's a 1-200 or a 200
silver kettle
the wording is new I think, but it's adding both min and max
hasty perch
for example
silver kettle
200-200 in that case
hasty perch
seems absurdly broken
minor oyster
yeah i dont think it has a range
timid geyser
Ohhh. That's a lot of damage.
minor oyster
it's just added flat = to final cost
timid geyser
Twice as much as I was expecting to be exact
minor oyster
archmage + facebreakers, lets go
hasty perch
so i can just mind of the council , stack fevered minds and then drop an orb of storm and fastercasting tempest shield to delete everything ?
timid geyser
Archmage doesn't apply to attacks.
unkempt notch
archmage cant support attacks
minor oyster
lame
silver kettle
this is why Mind of the Council was changed
hasty perch
like this seems like it will be able to get completely unethical dps
hasty perch
well orb of storm and storm brand don't really care about mana cost
timid geyser
Also facebreakers is melee physical damage.
minor oyster
new mind is only attacks i thought
hasty perch
oh right
wild arch
Mind of the council doryani's fist
normal kraken
Archmage unleash looks juicy, with the new 30% unleash notable
hasty perch
yeah
600% damage effectiveness for mind of the council with doryanis
interesting ignites incoming
timid geyser
Correct, mind of the council is essential an attack version of archmage (sorta).
wild arch
Yes
minor oyster
mind of the council + facebreakers
timid geyser
Also facebreakers is melee physical damage.
wild arch
Just do doryani's
hasty perch
but ..
minor oyster
just convert lightning to phys, ez pz
timid geyser
Ahhh. Doesn't work like that.
hasty perch
can't you like make spells cost like 4K mana
minor oyster
i was kidding :p
minor oyster
i thought that was only with old indigon or w/e ?
timid geyser
If you are spending that much mana then sure.
wild arch
hasty perch
seems absurdly broken
are we going to be able to have like 10K damage damage OoS?
with arcane cloak on top
base damage*
minor oyster
so like, the problem with doryani's fist is that it doesn't have a huge multiplier to flat
wild arch
...
hasty perch
600%
minor oyster
altho i guess the 600% dmg effectiveness
wild arch
600% is not huge?
zealous monolith
TIL you can multistrike Touch of God
hasty perch
for skills
minor oyster
uh
wild arch
You need to lay off whatever you're smoking rn
minor oyster
for damage eff sure
minor oyster
how do you get lightning ignites
wild arch
Doryani's Fist now has 30% increased Shock effect, +80 to 100 to maximum Energy Shield (from +30), 30% chance to Shock (from 10%), and now grants 200-250 Energy Shield on killing a Shocked Enemy (from 30). Existing items can be updated to these new values with a Divine Orb, but won't get the increased Shock Effect. The Doryani's Touch skill granted by this item now has 30% less Attack Speed (from 50% less) and now has 40% chance to Shock (from 20%).
hasty perch
with that getting 5000 flat lightning is 30K BASE damage lightning
and with mind it looks like it's pretty damn possible
wild arch
Stormfire ring
hasty perch
yeah
wild arch
Go trickster for more mana and dot
minor oyster
yeah might be pretty beefy
hasty perch
i think they overtuned mind and archmage and cloak by a HUGE margin
hasty perch
not matter how i look at the numbers orb of storms is just going to delete every single thing in the game
actually seems even less legit than summoners last league
but at least it's not minions so fine w.e
minor oyster
I love how quickly the pendulum swings
like minions were stupid strong before too, just didn't have the QOL, and nobody gave a fuck
and now it's like oh pee ew, minions
minor oyster
I have this convo nearly every league with a RL friend of mine
he refuses to play ANYTHING except minions and Death's Oath
for like 3-4 years now
wild arch
I understand minions, but DO?
minor oyster
because he's lazy
wild arch
Not even RF?
minor oyster
I suggested it when he fell in love with DO
to try and get him to play a non-necro
nope
literally, only necros, only minions (usually skele mages with as many zombies/spectres he can fit) and sometimes throws in DO on top of it
deft girder
Sound like me but with something else.
minor oyster
so I've just accepted it and I link him every patch note/preview pertaining to minions
minor oyster
whats dead may never die
wild arch
I got so excited and got the stygian skin
deft girder
So for the archmage... getting the x% regen and increase mana regeneration might do? 
wild arch
Yup
deft girder
How many source of x% are there? I know arcane surge and cloak.
minor oyster
Ritual of Awakening for Heiro
Essence Glutton for Necro
I didn't see any others
could've missed a bunch tho
¯_(ツ)_/¯
deft girder
I been thinking how to cheese weave the arcane,
I tried detonate mine as a cheese strat but it won't work without a mine on the floor. >.>
deft girder
"20% chance to Recover 10% of Mana when you use a Skill"
minor oyster
wouldn't something like lvl 1 holy relic count
damn, repeating skills doesn't help either
deft girder
Brand have it a bit easier with recall brand.
minor oyster
yeah idk, I'd imagine spamming something super low cost would be the best way to abuse that aspect of it
deft girder
Not as fast though.
minor oyster
not as fast as what
deft girder
recall brand has a CD.
minor oyster
oh, thought you meant in response to me
yeah anything with a cd is bad
what about toggling an instant off and on rapidly
lvl 1 clarity
that should work, right?
deft girder
I guess one just run phase run.
minor oyster
yeah that would work
cursive widget
I wonder how hard it would be to try and get like 12 impale stacks with the new jewel
wary smelt
most ppl are gonna go for 10/11
not worth pathing to third outer socket for 12th impale
cursive widget
champ gets an added amount of phys added per impale no?
wary smelt
the +1 impale im told was only available on large cluster jewels
wary smelt
so to get 3 extra ud have tor eally streach ur skill points out
cursive widget
if so then 10/11 impale stacks is prob the sweet spot
cursive widget
yeah you'd probably have to sacrifice too much defense for the 3rd tbh
ember lodge
Archmage is actually really fun to build around, it's not as simple as just stacking mana
wicked tree
do we have any clue how commonly cluster jewels are gonna drop
ripe bough
As common as jumping in path of exile
cursive widget
lel
wicked tree
i mean i leap slam a lot
ripe bough
So very common
wicked tree
leaping is pretty jumping adjacent
ripe bough
marble ginkgo
So can we confirm that sources of mana cost reduction are harmful to archmage support? Like the hiero ascdency
native sonnet
yes
marble ginkgo
so sanctuary of thought is literally a 50%^ damage nerf to archmage support?
hasty perch
yep
hiero doesn't make sense if you go archmage tbh
i mean hiero without sanctuary of thought
is a bit of a waste
might as well roll trickster
4% mana on kill also makes mapping with archmage a lot smoother
thin vine
sanctuary of though isn't as much of a nerf if you're regen limited
it lets you sustain a faster cast speed, lower damage bonus per cast
hasty perch
well that's if you're playing a suboptimal way
you don't want to cast fast stuff
you want to drop a huge storm brand or orb of storm
or a spell to ignite the pack and be done with it
thin vine
why not? what's the difference between getting 100 bonus damage twice or 200 bonus once
oh you're talking about ignites
hasty perch
nah
storm brand and orb of storm keep the added
so basically you can burn 50% of your mana and your stormbrand will deal that damage
for the whole duration
thin vine
yea for ignites and cast-and-forget spells it's different
hasty perch
it's a lot more damage then keeping the casts
that's the issue
it's so broken on those
that playing it while casting fast is just not efficient
add 2000 flat damage to stormbrand and it kills everything
rigid lakeBOT
violet nymph
the goal: create a zdps build that never dies for the most part
without using complicated mechanics
minor oyster
no thicc armor and VMS?
torn isle
Necro would've been better at not dying if not for the spirit offering change. >:O
red wharf
can i ask for practical math formula for archmage dmg? People seem to be getting 1000-1500 flat light dmg with 3-5k unreserved mana. Is it unreserved mana * 0.06 * (1.27 of natural spell mana cost) * (bunch of gem support mana multipliers) * (bunch of %spellmana cost increases such as Fewered mind jewels) - does it make sense? Also the part im not sure of is how to include %increased part to formula
native sonnet
depends heavily on ur use case/scenario and if u r doing those fevered mind setup to juice up to 100% mp
ah just saw the rest of ur details
yes that looks right
red wharf
how do you include %mana cost increased? I'm not sure how to do that correctly in formula
there are %more mana and %mana increased
native sonnet
what u have is fine/correct
red wharf
i see, thanks
native sonnet
just note that the support gem multiplier multiply with each other
just like how they are now and i think u already know that
just that the formula above almost looks like they are summed
red wharf
so "(gem multiplier1 * gem multiplier 2 * etc)" and " (%fewered mind1 + %fewered mind2 * etc.)" ?
native sonnet
yes
red wharf
that was the part i wasnt sure, thanks
native sonnet
also note that archmage itself has 10% inc mp cost (presumeably from quality) which is additive with fevered mind
red wharf
oh yeah
i was also reading somewhere on reddit that this 6% from archmage can be affected?
midnight phoenix
By supports, sure
native sonnet
well, 6% is 6%, then u apply the multipliers from support gems and mp cost modifiers like the ones u have above to the final number
hasty perch
get some voidbringers going
sour mountain
i think... archmage might just be silly
sour mountain
i'm just thinking about it on paper but if you're playing archmage you're also playing that mana shield skill and it's like...
oh and you also have mom
languid path
you really don't wanna use manastorm shield
sour mountain
you just put mana on your gear and it scales your everything
you don't think it's good?
hasty perch
i tried with a 2000 mana cost : you add 1016 flat lightning damage to stormbrand (after damage effectiveness) storm brand level 20 has 180~ average damage
you're litteraly doing x6 to the base damage
sour mountain
just for the sake of sanity
what if you're doing it with... Spark
hasty perch
it's worse since you'll get a single hit worth of it
sour mountain
oh, also, orb of storms archmage might be interesting
hasty perch
brands and orb of storms and blade vortex can continuously hit
languid path
it's more dmg on paper but you can't time when you will have full mana, especially when you run like 50-60% mom
also stormbrand also cost like 5k mana to cast, for my build at least
hasty perch
yeah i took 2000 for an example you can get higher
native sonnet
ydro, run lavianga, drop 5 brands, wait for flask to end and gain ur dps and just recall
flask again when u need to use skill, otherwise just have the mp for mom
sour mountain
don't forget to grab Brand clusters to jack up your brand count
why drop 5 when you can drop like... 8
languid path
lavianga sets archmage dmg to 0 I'm pretty sure
native sonnet
yes but after the flask effect ended u get ur bonus
hasty perch
not the ones already on the ground
native sonnet
because the cost is no longer 0
hasty perch
the contrary*
midnight phoenix
What bonus do u get
native sonnet
because they dont snapshot
languid path
oh I'm not worried about mana regen
languid path
I'm worried about the control you have over when your mana is full
native sonnet
wtd, archmage supp
hasty perch
4% recovery on kill
languid path
I already have 4k mana regen
midnight phoenix
Ur stuff now costs the same amount of mana that it would have cost anyway, and these builds all have so much mana that it doesnt matter the regen
Yes i know sieg its all we've been talkig about all day
sour mountain
control over when your mana's full... isn't there a gem that does that 🤔
hasty perch
you being full mana doesn't matter
languid path
'cause you can't control when you take dmg, so you want to always be full mana, as often as possible
sour mountain
but this build might be throwing all its jewels into More Damage If None Reserved and More Damage And More Expensive
native sonnet
it does if u need to cast stormbrand that cost 100% of ur mp
hasty perch
it only counts IF you could cast your mana cost
languid path
I don't care about the dmg
I care about full mana if I'm a 4k build with 60% mom
if you're not mom sure run manastorm, but on mom I'm not very sure
but hey what kind of archmage build doesn't run mom
sour mountain
the one that gets hit too often
and if it gets hit too often it can't cast any damage because it's all linked to an archmage that forces it to spend 30% of its mana on a spell
and it dies
unkempt notch
but you do 0 dps when you dead
midnight phoenix
These builds have 30% to 50% mana regen per second without flask
sour mountain
i worry that these archmage builds might get hard countered by like... y'know how fortification archers would delete you off screen?
midnight phoenix
We were throwing around one with 90% before but its probably not as good
unkempt notch
I predict mana regen will get hit after this league if mana builds are super strong
sour mountain
archer taps you, your mana's gone, and the most effective way to not die is to murder all of your enemies
midnight phoenix
Eh these builds have 9k ehp and 3 to 5k mana regen
They'll be fine unless they eat a hit that would instagib a normal build anyway
sour mountain
the league mechanic scales up mobs and gives them bullshit moves
so we could see some good rips with that
midnight phoenix
Im not sure how playing a build with less ehp and sustain would help
native sonnet
5k mp regen?
sour mountain
i want to see some real DSP deaths with people just getting chain stunlocked I DIDNT DO ANYTHING WOWWWW
midnight phoenix
Ye we were throwing around builds with 6k in #1┃general a little while back
It get pretty silly
unkempt notch
Most of the time in POE if you are actively taking huge hits you're not worried about dpsing your worried about staying alive.
sour mountain
offscreen freezes and maybe saps
midnight phoenix
U have to give up a lot of dmg to get that high
languid path
yeah I'm only at like 3k mana regen, 3k6 without righteous fire
midnight phoenix
But hey ur archmage u have a 400% more multi on ur support
sour mountain
hey hey i have the omega brain strat
midnight phoenix
U will be fine for dmg
languid path
yeah if only mana leech didn't only work for attack
sour mountain
mana leech doesn't work for spells?!
unkempt notch
xD
native sonnet
read the mp leech gem
midnight phoenix
I'll take "things that dont work" for $500, alex
sour mountain
(i have never used mp leech because why the fuck would you do that)
languid path
also you don't need to go gigabig on mana regen
just need enough to cast your brand and chill
sour mountain
i'm also wondering about eb es leech
native sonnet
mindspiral viable? lol
sour mountain
but that's probably yeah, too much
languid path
overinvesting in mana regen just for manastorm and co. doesn't sound very worth
sour mountain
isn't there an unveil that gives you mindspiral effect?
midnight phoenix
Ye considering manastorm efficiency is like 20% of archmage and also stops u from casting brand recall
Thats a no from me dawg
languid path
yeah you can do that if you don't run agnostic
sour mountain
there are also the neato new passives that give you es from mana at like, 6%
native sonnet
5%
midnight phoenix
Thats alright hey
sour mountain
yeah, Will Shaper; if you can get small wheels with 2 notables
midnight phoenix
Half a guardian now
sour mountain
we're gonna be very happy
languid path
now swap your ascendancy over to guardian too
sour mountain
just play elementalist thats what i always do
languid path
I tried to pob an es version for a bit but it doesn't look very good on hierophant
sour mountain
i am 100% brainlet
and i always play cheapo heralds, immune to reflected ele, elemental confluence
languid path
especially 'cause one of the nodes literally make you spend 50% less mana
sour mountain
conflux
midnight phoenix
I think if i was es version i would probably be LL ivory tower
sour mountain
herald of thunder is just complete garbo compared to keeping the raised mana cost, hey
midnight phoenix
Its just so much more mana than shavs
languid path
I don't think I'm taking cluster jewel on this build
sour mountain
on archmage build?
sour mountain
Scintillating Idea
20% increased maximum Mana
Damage Penetrates 5% Lightning Resistance
can i change your mind, friend
midnight phoenix
Thats much worse than fevered mind
languid path
yeah I tried that, it's like 5% dmg and you need to spend point
midnight phoenix
U would need good small nodes as well
sour mountain
is mana considered a utility or a defense
midnight phoenix
Def according to neon but somethings might straddle sizes
sour mountain
you might be able to terminate your wheel with the fevered mind
languid path
the only node I found remotely close to feverish was the 5% dmg taken per brand attached
it's like 8-9% dmg
sour mountain
also i wonder about the other corrupted jewel that noms your life and gives you mana whenever you kill something
but that's probably not really worth it
languid path
so hey more points to spend on my actual tree
hasty perch
trickster gets 4% mana on kill btw
sour mountain
may as well just run a jewel with raw mana gain
midnight phoenix
Mana sustain isnt a huge issue i gotta be honest
U get a lot of it for free with shit that gives u actual mana
hasty perch
i'm probably going trickster either way
sour mountain
also r.e. brands i would think grand design might be worth considering?
hasty perch
archmage is so broken damage wise i'd rather just get QoL and defenses with decent cast speed
and mana ofc
sour mountain
what does three dragons turn lightning damage into. burn?
native sonnet
no
sour mountain
three dragons turns lightning into freeze 👀
if you can fit it, that's not unappealing
unkempt notch
if you wanna turn your lightning to defensive why not just make it sap
sour mountain
that's definitely an option but i don't know if it would be more effective than freezing
but that would enable thundersight, sure
sullen scroll
Did GGG misgroup Spellslinger Gem in the announcement because they showed it in New Active gems?
unkempt notch
looks like its an active with a support component
glossy adder
You activate spellslinger itself, not the individual skills, so it's an active skill. They probably made it that way because it makes sense with the way gems will work in PoE 2
olive whale
Does new Second Wind support works with Warcries? I mean...in terms of hp recovery War Bringer+Any Warcry+Second Wind is A LOT
torn isle
Spellslinger is basically our first meta gem.
torn isle
I'm more curious whether CWC and other trigger supports will be converted to work the same way as spellslinger though.
hot gyro
what do you think about a WAnderer league starter ELEmentelist or Assa
wild arch
@silver kettle does archmage make channelled spells cost 6% unreserved mana per tick at base?
I was hoping archmage divine ire could be a thing but looks like sustaining its cost for a full charge is gonna be impossible
quiet geyser
Does blade blast dmg scale with the amount of blade vortex blades? or just the aoe?
marsh oracle
wait does spell cascade even work with bladefall for blades
quiet geyser
It should? XD
torn isle
fairly sure just the aoe, BUT each BV stack is it's individual explosion it looks like.
bitter ledge
By the way, does anyone have any speculation on what the Portentous Delirium Orbs and Imperial Delirium Orbs are going to add to the map?
calm island
Was there a divination card orb yet?
bitter ledge
"self-consciously solemn or important : POMPOUS
portentous declamation unsalted by the least trace of humor
— W. H. Pritchard"
calm island
Would guess those might be a thing they add
bitter ledge
Yes, we have Diviner's Delirium Orbs
calm island
I missed that Ig
bitter ledge
"adjominously prophetic Synonyms:
fateful, foreboding, prophetic, prophetical
foretelling events as if by supernatural intervention"
So, I guess it's itemised prophecies
I'm guessing that Amorphous is metamorph organs/catalysts. Which just leaves the Imperial Delirium Orb
Probably Labyrinth enchanted items.
torn isle
Is it worth trying to hit spellslinger speed breakpoints when using necro VD/DD considering how necro attack speed will swing wildly with corpse pact? Or might it be better to pick some other class for this purpose? :V
patent canyon
better to use cwc over slinger imo...
torn isle
How does Piscator's Vigil interact with spellslinger?
lucid stone
Adds no base damage to spells, since it has no base damage.
violet nymph
rigid lakeBOT
violet nymph
there we are
torpid sonnet
Flame surge is a weird choice for mines since it has a high base cast speed
violet nymph
selfcasting is clunky, and flame surge doesn't have much range
flame surge is also only my singletarget skill here
i swap to sire of shards for clear
with fireball
it's important to note that the gear in this build doesn't cost very much
besides the allocation of tranquility, but with blight being a zana mod i doubt oils will cost much either
and of course the 6l sire of shards and tremor rod
which historically aren't too expensive
especially with the mine nerf this league
i wonder if this is enough to turn people off from mines this league
enough that tremor rod is cheap
tender tusk
probably not
violet nymph
well anyway, if tremor rod is the most expensive part of that build, that's budget lol
violet nymph
what's the league starter
patent canyon
anything that does damage and doesnt cost 100000ex
frigid holly
Repost from the 'builds' channel; because its partly just a mechancs question (sorry for the duplicate): Am I correct in understanding that spellslinger 'slung' spells get the flkat damage from your wand added to each HIT? If so surely choosing a spell where the number/rate of hits is high or can be scaled easily is an easy way to scale overall damage. If so what spells hit most per cast or per unit time? Things that chain/fork (like arc say) seem like they should get very high DPS scaling from this...?
dusky tendon
do you think archmage will work with triggered spells ? Wording is a bit too complicated for a non native like me
wispy crest
@frigid holly The added damage from wands will be treated like any other added damage to spells modifier, thus only being as effective as the spells "Added damage effectivness" states.
static ingot
Is it correct that cluster notables can appear on large, medium AND small jewel sockets?
So theoretically I could have large jewel with my desired notable + another notable + jewel socket
which forks into medium jewel with my desired notable + jewel socket
which forks into small jewel with my desired notable
Technically giving me 3 of the same notable
Topped with using the Voices for doing the same process with medium+small for the same notable to be allocated 6 times
wicked tree
different notables only spawn on certain sizes of jewel
large = damage medium =utility small = defence
hasty perch
each enchantment spawns on a different size
your notable would need to be able to spawn on all 3 enchants
hasty perch
most likely not going to be possible more than 2
large is offense
small is defense
formal crypt
Then why are there so many more life notables?
static ingot
understood
debatable on "more than 2" tho
if my notable spawns on medium or small I can just use Voices for 3x
torn isle
Not all notables with life on them is considered a life notable.
hasty perch
go check the game news
there's several large clusters of pure damage
and the small one gives block
hasty perch
they want to avoid abuses most likely
formal crypt
Like claw/dagger and bow
hasty perch
people getting 12 life % passives with +13 flat life would be hilarious
and at the same time it stops people from stacking too many times the strongest notables
which are mostly on offense
so one per socket
torn isle
And 25% small passive increased effectiveness modifier, don't forget that.
formal crypt
I hope we can use fossils on cluster jewels like we can normal jewels
torn isle
still though, 12% damage (of relevant type), 13 health, 3% chaos resist, 5% damage, and 25% small passive increased effectiveness modifier.
static ingot
well, there goes my dream of making a hardcore ballista build
back to softcore with 20m sdps i guess
By the way, is it just my gut or does it really seem like 90% of these new notables aren't worth travelling to?
Some are really nice like Cold Conduction but most of the offensive ones just feel lackluster compared to the counterparts on the tree
Not to say they're bad but travelling to them will make it an undesirable option
HP ones excluded
hasty perch
the thing is : once you pay the initial 3 points
you can "chain" cluster jewels
and get the others for a lot cheaper
like the 2nd notable on a large cluster jewel and third one are 2 points notables
first one on medium is a 3 points one
it's not really efficient if you just go for one cluster jewel
because the notables are really strong but the main cost is the initial one
formal crypt
I think the passive rolls might be more valuable than the notables
hasty perch
that depends on many things tbh
i could see it being the case on varunastra
with just 25% passive effect
you're looking at 30% varunastra damage small passives on the 12%sword+12%axe damage enchant
upbeat urchin
regarding spellslinger, "This Skill's Mana Reservation is the Total of the Mana Reservations of Supported Skills, and cannot be further modified" does that mean that reduced mana reservation doesnt work on it or just that you cant reduce the mana reservation twice?
torn isle
Basically you either go for cluster jewels with all notable/jewel affixes and as few nodes as possible, or cluster jewels with all small passive bonuses and as man nodes as possible.
it just means mana cost modifiers doesn't work on it. Mana reservation modifiers work as expected.
mellow hatch
I think its saying that reduced reservation wont apply to the gem itself, only to the supported gems that become reserved
torn isle
or more exactly the mana reservation of support skills is modified then added to the slinger skill as a total reservation cost, which then can't be modified again.
tame marsh
Where is the ‘unleash support’ in gem upgrades post
tame marsh
The gem reveal
hasty perch
they forgot to show it
upbeat urchin
if you have bane linked to spellslinger and two curses, will it still only reserve 20% mana?
native sonnet
idk if that work, the curses would have 2 trigger and hence disabled IIRC
violet nymph
you can put contagion in it
probably one of the best uses
though, nvm, between attacking and casting, not worth it
red sierra
Using kinetic bolt for AoE and a spellslinger spell for single target could be very strong
I would say the other way around, but as far as I know there’s no reason to expect kinetic bolt to have good single target.
patent canyon
slinger has horrendously bad single
wild arch
@dusky tendon archmage won't work with triggered spells because they cost no mana
Oh wow I just realized you can abuse the 300% inc poison node with archmage
lucid stone
How
marsh oracle
If you blade blast bv and linger at the same time do all blade blast get more Aoe