cant be modified with blessed orbs
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woven venture
violet nymph
for cluster jewels they are called enchantments
timid geyser
They can also be corrupted for that spicy corrupted implicit and still keep the enchant.
storm crown
would be sad if the jewel brick tho 😦
torn isle
ah kthn.
do cluster jewels have corrupted implicits..?
(or rather, what kind of implicits could they have?)
storm crown
same as jewels
torn isle
is that confirmed?
timid geyser
Not confirmed, but sounds reasonable enough to assume until told otherwise.
wary stratus
I'm mildly annoyed at how bad the totem cluster jewel notables are
torn isle
then don't use those and use other notables that affects your totems regardless. :v
There're many builds that do not have a specific category allocated for them. 😛
storm crown
there is probly somethibng for all builds anyway
torn isle
Like there's basically nothing for spellslinger builds so I've to look for specific instances benefiting the specific spell I want to sling instead. 😛
(of which note there isn't all that many good ones for detonate dead outside of plain fire damage and aoe damage)
gray zealot
i dont know if spellslinger builds are supposed to stack the spell though
torn isle
what do you mean?
torn isle
huge reservation, but no additional mana costs after, and good for spells that require multiple spells for synergy.
detonate/volatile dead with desecrate is one of the more notable synergistic spells for instance.
gray zealot
ok then u have 2 wands for yourself, which attack did you think of using?
or wand shield w.e
torn isle
Assuming I'm even using a proper attack... but planning power siphon anyway since that give the most passive benefit.
gray zealot
could use it as a curse on hit maybe..
torn isle
yes, intending that too.
violet nymph
See, i'm planning to try and fit in both attack and spell together as damage. rather than one or the other
as something like a pseudo 5l should be enough for either the attack or spell
torn isle
planning to have 3 spells slinged (detonate/volatile dead, desecrate, and bodyswap/lightning warp), power siphon with coh flammability (and elemental weakness if I get additional curse slots)
I wouldn't stop you from trying to fit in both, but I think it's more optimal to focus on a single source of damage.
wary stratus
even looking at the non-totem nodes (spell, lightning, projectile) I'm mildly disappointed tbh
too many boring notables that basically just say "increased damage"
I suppose these would be fine on the regular skill tree, a lot of the notables on there are boring too, I was just hoping for more is all -- I'm doubtful any of these are going to be worth using for my build over just voices + 3 rare jewels with crit multi and life
from what I understand the notables are (typically? always? not sure) going to roll alongside whatever "group" they're considered a part of, which limits choices a lot unless you don't care about minor nodes being terrible for your build
midnight phoenix
Sry man its not ball lightning totem's time to shine it looks like
If ur hiero u do at least get some big dick mana nodes
wary stratus
my build isn't dependant on cluster jewels at all, it works perfectly fine without them, I'm just disappointed that out of 281 notables none of them really make me go "wow, I want this in my build"
I kinda wish there was a way to roll the notables on cluster jewels independently of everything else on them, not weighted or locked in to stay the same type of stat as the rest of the jewel
just as an example, you might want to get Supercharge "Lightning Damage with Non-Critical Strikes is Lucky" on a Lightning Ignite build, but not want anything else on the jewel to be lightning-based, and instead have fire dot multi or something
as far as I'm aware that's going to be impossible as it currently stands
torn isle
on one hand yes, on the other hand, you can heavily limit the number of waste notes you need to get that. I believe the lowest number of small nodes you need before reaching a notable in a large cluster is 1?
Could look for something like this:
violet nymph
small nodes? Do you mean travel nodes?
torn isle
yes.
violet nymph
I was thinking Supercharged while tempest shield with the high block chance, a cluster jewel, and lightning knockback
vapid agate
Anyone knows if cluster jewels will be weighted to spawn certain notables in accordance with their enchantments
coral garden
Yea
quiet geyser
Will you be able to put small passivs in a large one?
torn isle
you mean can you socket small jewel clusters in an outer node? If that's what you mean,. yes.
quiet geyser
No
i heared of a rule
Large->medium->small
or
small->medium->large
and i wanted to know if
large -> small
is possible
native sonnet
yes
quiet geyser
thx
wild arch
If brand notables are medium, does that mean with just 2 voices you can get +12 brands? 
frank hound
brands casted not brands attached so it's not as valuable...but you can have some hilairous burst with brand recall and 12 armagheddon brands
torn isle
Fairly sure jewels cannot have duplicate notables.
wild arch
There are 2 +brand notables
torn isle
oh, thought there's only 1 my bad.
slender temple
so can we stack like the exact same notable on every cluster jewel for super stacking?
and in every spot
frank hound
no
wild arch
Yeah, but it's not that much
You're realistically looking at 2 large jewels
Which can mean 3 small and/or medium jewels with voices
Hmm
Edge of madness cleave occultist 
Sustain MoM with mana leech 
Or maybe just chaos cyclone
Would minion impale be a large or medium node?
torn isle
minion is large I believe.
wild arch
How realistic is 100% impale chance on minions?
AW champion could potentially be amazing
violet nymph
Some notables are worth stacking to hell
wild arch
Like the increased character size one
violet nymph
5% max mana as extra ES
void ermine
the new Hollow Palm Technique notable that was announced, does a quiver count as offhand too?
(You are Unencumbered while you have no Equipped Gloves, Main Hand Item, or Off Hand Item)
and it states 'OR" does that mean i can either leave out one of those slots rather then all 3 of the slots? 🤔
dusty umbra
all 3 slots must be empty
void ermine
then why isnt it worded as 'and'? 🤔
vital idol
Hollow palm is something I'll wait for someone else to do before I make one
Just to see if it's worth the investment
void ermine
im going plain facebreaker first, prolly would follow a similar build then hallow palm
and after that see its mechanics etc
vital idol
Pretty much locked into bleed glad unless patch notes say "bleeding removed from the game"
mortal yarrow
Bleed damage reduced by 90% 
vital idol
Path of explody
raw meteor
@void ermine it's worded like that because you would not have an off hand item if it'a two-handed item
versed dock
@vital idol Are you going the Perfect Form/Dreamfeather build?
Or some other form of bleed glad
vital idol
Bow Glad most likely, I'm kinda gonna just adjust based on what I need for league mechanic
slim sun
do we know which notables are on big/small/medium clusters>
frank hound
big = attack, medium = utility, small = def
if I remember correctly?
if I'm wrong someone can tell you
slim sun
Haemorrhage
+18% to Damage over Time Multiplier for Ailments from Critical Strikes
40% increased Critical Strike Chance - ye but if u looka t the icons, u can see one of these icon nodes at the medium cluster. - thats clearly damage not utility right?
wispy crest
So is it true that you can have multiple of the same notable and they stack ?
dusty umbra
@wispy crest yes but you 99.99% can't have same notable on same jewel
prime narwhal
so, I wonder - area damage is probably a large jewel enchantment; might there be a medium jewel area of effect enchantment? would they share pools to some degree?
torn isle
it says no equipped item. quivers are still an item. >:O
area damage apparently is medium.
there was one shown in the initial delirium reveal I believe.
wispy crest
By the way is it true that delirium monsters can't be exploded ? By stuff like inpulsa/haemophilia/obliteration
wild arch
They don't leave corpses so some explosions won't work
wispy crest
Well which ones
frank hound
well we don't know
wispy crest
Oh
wild arch
Good question
wild arch
So the thing about medium cluster notables
frank hound
but there is an important thing to note that others have mentioned, delirium mobs are sprinkled between normal mobs so you will be able to explode those and affect the delirium mobs
wispy crest
Well obviously stuff like DD, but I wanna know whether to play obliteration or not
wild arch
They seem to mostly have stuff related to tags
frank hound
well yes, my starter build is also a gladiator so as you can imagine
wild arch
Like totems, heralds, curses etc
frank hound
I am bit worried if I'll be able to explode them or not
wild arch
After thinking things over I think I'll start with a simple ignite trickster
And aim to beef up herald of ash
wispy crest
Also I am scared about the new herald keystone and Spellslinger
Because it disables your auras and spellslinger-supported skills might count as that
wild arch
Count as what
wispy crest
Auras
wispy crest
You 100% sure ?
wild arch
Yes
frank hound
yeah heralds are not auras so it shouldn't be disabled by that
wild arch
There's gonna be some crazy synergy between aura bots and super heralds
Huh
Stacking blowback could maybe make melee ignite somewhat useable
storm crown
can only have 1 herald with lone messenger, would be crazy if could have more :d
torn isle
Just use all the other herald notables. :v
wild arch
2 voices = 6 blowbacks = 90% faster ignites(?)
torn isle
you do need 26 spare passive points for that though.
wild arch
Sounds good to me
torn isle
of which most will be giving no stats at all outside of 10 small nodes.
wild arch
Ele hit trypanon raider with marylene's and perfect agony
Dyadian dawn for even faster ignites
torn isle
and that is also assuming blowback is on a medium node, instead of large.
torn isle
yes, but that may count as fire so dunno.
wild arch
It is fire
torn isle
course, there's also a good chance some notables are considered hybrid this can appear on more than one enchantment type.
torn isle
https://youtu.be/fapKac1eA6Y?t=61 Dragon Glimmer on top right has increased area damage as enchantment.
dusty umbra
Tempered arrow heads could tehnically be on medium
prime narwhal
yeah I checked once I saw your message about the trailer
seems much easier to stack notables of medium jewels than large so that's really nice
torn isle
it might be worthwhile getting a 12 passive skill large cluster jewel with no notables and just small passive bonuses, to massively stack up on flat life bonuses on top of other bonuses.
prime narwhal
I kinda agree... except I'd want that juicy 2 jewel socket mod
torn isle
that's what the 2nd large cluster jewel would be for, an 8 passive skill one with 3 notables and 2 jewel slots. 😛
prime narwhal
probably fair, 2 jewel socket mod is likely to be hard to roll anyway
torn isle
what sort of spellslinger?
copper kernel
viable one probably
patent canyon
note that you need to look at avg damage not dps + you get wand damage as base skill damage + spellslinger itself might come with more multi
torn isle
and combo spells with natural synergy is preferable to plain casted spells.
torn isle
frenzy not so important. I imagine it's not too hard to meet the speed required for max slinging.
patent canyon
its more of a... you kinda want damage from wand attack as well
torn isle
it's not like CoC where you trigger like 8 times a second.
patent canyon
yeah that 0.4s cd or so is not gonna make it clear and kill on its own
dusty cove
huh, kineticism reverse knockback bleed glad could be fun
patent canyon
I WANT NUMBERS GGG
torn isle
depends. I imagine Detonate/Volatile dead slinger could be powerful.
(or basically imagine poet's pen, except you can 5+ link the DD/VD)
patent canyon
mhm
ember hill
5L but way more cooldown
dusty cove
dosnt it get reduced cooldown?
dusty cove
i could see it with around 90%
ember hill
even flame dash doesn't get that much
ember hill
my money is on 0.4
patent canyon
and i hope cdr works further on it unlike cwc
dusty cove
flame dash gets to 96% with quality
midnight phoenix
i want numbers on archmage tbh
more than the other stuff
spellslinger doesnt change that much with 0.35 vs 0.4
archmage could be pretty silly tho
dusty cove
Well i am off to see if i can make a silly reverse knockback bow glad with rearguard
midnight phoenix
i want to see how many awakening 8 sirus u can kill with 1 cremation that uses all ur mana and procs indigon
torn isle
way more cooldown yes, which is why you use it with spell combos as ALL spells triggers at once.
you won't beat a CWC build unless you abuse the simultaneous spellcast mechanic.
midnight phoenix
well i cant make any vd slinger that im happy with
and i tried a lot of pobs
if somebody is smarter than me maybe they can come up with a decent pob
torn isle
I mean on paper alone it should already be stronger than any poet's pen VD build?
midnight phoenix
ur not trying to beat poets vd that build blows chunks in 2020
ur trying to beat scolds necro vd
its pretty hard
torn isle
ah that. I guess if the necro uses totem to generate the corpses you probably can't beat that.
torn isle
or scolds I guess yes but w/e
midnight phoenix
which procs cwdt desecrate
and then u have cwc vd which works while moving
its all quite synergistic
difficult to beat with spellslinger
torn isle
cwc vd doesn't take advantage of the massively increased cast/attack speed necro can ge tthough...?
torn isle
I was talking about selfcasting but yes. 😛
midnight phoenix
u can self cast the vd if u want but that is quite a static build
prime narwhal
spellslinger kind of would if you scale attack damage too
midnight phoenix
well i cant beat the vd builds even with all investment into spell damage
idk where the room comes from to invest into attack nodes and gear
torn isle
of course, that necro build kinda requires scolds, making it not so good for SSF or starter I imagine.
midnight phoenix
i was trying with a pretty expensive setup, big dick wands etc
torn isle
did you include curse on hit?
cunning blade
midnight phoenix
part of the problem is that scolds and doedre malevolence sound like shit items but they do actually add a lot of dps lol
torn isle
I imagine the only way to beat the cwdt desecrate setup is to scale by the corpse damage instead then.
though channel skills did get a lot of good notables to play around with...
I imagine arcane adept and hexbreaker would be sought after for cyclone cwc vd.
torn isle
And overlord if using a CWC staff.
peak terrace
the channeling nodes make coc cyclone so easy
if u get the jewel u can drop the inc crit chance gem support earlier
u can get max crit without needing bottled faith and or attacks have crit%
its fire
torn isle
Or precise faith?
peak terrace
faith or focus
that for coc nova builds is nuts
get that on a large jewel with two jewel slots
holy
torn isle
Eh, if I wanted endurance charges this would be WAY better:
Enduring Composure
30% increased Armour
Gain an Endurance Charge every second if you've been Hit Recently
peak terrace
ye but that is on a medium or small jewel only no?
torn isle
yes it would be on a small, why?
peak terrace
it might be harder to find
torn isle
how do you scale cyclone to trigger scolds fast enough anyway?
cursive widget
I think impale cyclone is going to be really good this league again
mob mentality is good, gain 5 rage when you warcry
torn isle
so at least two required gear. Most definitely not a starter. :v
so I guess the plan is to do spellslinger VD/desecrate until either getting the scolds and gloves, or switch over to DD/desecrate.
supple falcon
I'm doing CwC Cylone Arc for good spinny times
Should be able to move with mist pace
tender tusk
is that on the reddit post?
storm crown
Offensive on large defensiven on small and medium a mix of them
tender tusk
ah sure, so it's just a guess
storm crown
That The philosofi on The clusters
wild arch
So uhhh
Anyone wants to donate the hollow palm jewel if they find it?
I think people are looking at it the wrong way
Unlike facebreakers, hollow palm can go hard on poison/ignite
peak terrace
ye my bad
it was about claws and daggers firing on additional projectile with attack skills
patent canyon
so yeah.... you pay for jewel, you pay golden oil and then you can start playing infernal blow with ignite/poison
aids
supple falcon
"except cyclone" - but why not cyclone
peak terrace
u count as dw
so u can technically use a lot of skills no ?
cause u dont count as unarmed
it would count is atho u are using melee weapons no ?
or sth like dual strike? that requires u to be dual wielding
patent canyon
a lot of skills req a weapon
peak terrace
i am not very familiar with melee skills
patent canyon
oh right those 2 are decent
peak terrace
u can easily scale with dw nodes
"easily"
i expect for mathil to make a one punch slam build
hot gyro
25% increased Damage for each Herald affecting you how can i write it in pob
torn isle
I'd say best bet is cyclone or consecrated path yes, because otherwise you'll likely have issues with unarmed tiny range.
hot gyro
found it
timid geyser
Just type "25% increased damage" on something. Multiple it by however many herald you have.
timid geyser
Yeah, that should work gj with that.
hot gyro
https://pastebin.com/FbPmikDM here the notable what to try to get
only uneffected by poison dosnt work
peak terrace
@timid geyser easy get palm use tec slam, put palm in a large area of effect cluster
get a second cluster to scale dual wield dmg
????
profit
timid geyser
I'm sure it could work. Probably gonna be out damage due to impale being a pretty good damage scaler. This is just something I threw together to get a general idea of what hollow palm would look like.
frigid holly
Anyone know how kinetic bolt is likely to interact with dual wands? (its damage is impacted by base damage on the wand(s) right?)
wintry sigil
isnt that spellslinger?
and it'll probably be the wand thats attacking that gives the bonus
patent canyon
kinetic bolt is an attack tho, it will take direct increases and reductions of your wand base + spell damage increases x1.5
spellslinger is the one that gets base from wand on top
unkempt notch
Kinetic bolt will be good to use with a shield, can get like 120 spell damage - 180 attack damage from a well rolled shield slot
slender temple
im gona ask this here since it scrolls off instantly on the main chat ok so im looking at https://poedb.tw/us/mon.php?n=Aurid+Synthete
what is
ShakariQuicksand
SynthesisSoulstealerQuicksand Can be Attached for a total Duration of 6 seconds
ground_quicksand_art_variation
base_physical_damage_to_deal_per_minute Cast Time: 1.67 Second
Cooldown Time: 8 Second
is it like the shakari quicksand that kils you onceo the stacks reach max? is this a slow but sure enemy deleter? this is one of the minions suggested by viper in reddit
kindred dagger
Im going through the whole new nodes i only did around 50 yet and like wow some seems fuckin insane !!!
- Overwhelming malice, free acces to unlohy might
- Grim oath for even buff this
impale notable, lots of aura buff as well
gladiatoral combat, this one looks insanely strong to me, no ?
for spell this can give a huge amount or crit multi pretty easily
i just realised but does thos cluster notable are limited to one ? I would say yes because that would probably be too strong for some but i dont remember seeing this anywhere !
hasty perch
They're mods
supple falcon
You can get the same nobable multiple times.
You'll be limited by jewel sockets though. You can only get 1 large jewel per socket, and 2 mediums/smalls (if you get a large with 2 medium sockets, also Voices is an exception), and each notable is tied to a size of jewel
hasty perch
You can't have them twice on same
supple falcon
You can have the same notable twice, but not on the same jewel
hasty perch
Some notables can be on different sizes, it's the enchant that is set to a cluster size
So if your notable can spawn on different enchants you might be able to get it on different sizes
kindred dagger
seems peopel allready arent agree 😄
anyway we'll see but some of those new notable are or insanely strong or insane qol
white bison
How does "You lose Virulence 30% slower" stack with the 50% from ascendancy, and how does the decay equation work?
is it like (rate function)/(1+(slower virulence loss total)) ?
cursive widget
anyone know when patch notes are coming out today?
copper kernel
nope
cursive widget
I guess i'll just assume they come out in about 3-4 hours then haha
radiant lance
If the past few launches have been any indication, they will probably be fairly late in the day for US folks and Wednesday morning for eu
timid geyser
more than likely there will be a countdown timer posted by bex in a bit.
sharp iron
I found a weird notable on the new notables list
Supercharge: Lightning Damage with Non-Critical Strikes is Lucky
Given the massive variance that lighting damage has, this could potentially be a massive damage booster.
violet nymph
It is.
wild arch
It's insane for ele overload lightning builds
sharp iron
It's only for non-critical strikes though
sharp iron
You could just un-allocate all your crit nodes to get the passive points for the jewel clusters.
wild arch
That's the idea >_>
timid geyser
Lucky damage is about 33% more damage best case
sharp iron
I'm trying to check for every stat I can think of to see if it's on the notables list. There's one stat that appears to only have one node that grants it, being physical damage reduction piercing. Which only has:
Iron Breaker: Enemies have -10% to Total Physical Damage Reduction against your Hits, 35% increased Physical Damage.
Not sure on what monster armor values are, but I think this could be a pretty good node if you don't have that stat anywhere else on your build.
Intensity: 10% increased Area Damage, Skills supported by Intensify have +1 to maximum Intensity.
I'm going to have to give this one the reward of "most oddly specific and niche notable"
weak berry
Y'all see that wand notable that gives chaos explosions?
sharp iron
Seal Mender: Skills Supported by Unleash have 30% increased Seal gain frequency
Not sure if this is more or less specific since I don't know how often Intensify and Unleash are used. These are the only two notables that focus around a specific support though.
timid geyser
Unleash one is 
sharp iron
Are you saying that's good or bad?
timid geyser
Good.
sharp iron
Okay
timid geyser
I did a spreadsheet yesterday for it.
sharp iron
That's dedication to the game
timid geyser
Here if you wanna take a look https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhX4hyNVp_DOcAfb_j8JrKIOvvH5z18MTTaBFHxV_pI/edit?usp=sharing
sharp iron
Using mathmatical proof to prove how good a notable is
Do you plan on being an Unleash spellcaster next league?
timid geyser
Ehh, not sure yet tbh. Probably though
rich bay
fork we are never getting 4.0
timid geyser
Most places I'd use spell echo I already kinda prefer unleash. This pushes it over the edge for 90% use cases imo.
sharp iron
I'm curious about all the different functionallity-altering supports that spellcasters have.
timid geyser
We already knew that 3.10 was going to be a thing when PoE2 was announced.
rich bay
i did not they dont want to work hard
timid geyser
4.0 beta is from anytime from late 2020 to early/mid 2021
rich bay
oh
timid geyser
GGG is working very hard if you consider the amount of content they are releasing on such short dev cycles.
rich bay
when did we get an actual story expansion last?
timid geyser
I mean I'd consider last patch a story expansion with the major rework to the atlas
End-game story, but story none the less.
rich bay
it had so little actual story i want act11
timid geyser
There isn't going to be an act 11.
rich bay
I WANT MOR big story
timid geyser
PoE 2 is a separate story-line as an alternative to the current one.
rich bay
which means do everything again
vast bay
Its the sequel
rich bay
and buy all mxts again
sharp iron
"Two campaigns, one game"
timid geyser
Yeah, still the same game. All your character, items, mtx, ect. will still exist.
vast bay
You chose one of the campaign.. this is not Overcucced 2
rich bay
I WANT BOTH and poe 2 means get a new computer
rich bay
cuz specs oughta be so much higher cuz its a new game
timid geyser
It isn't a new game though. Think of it as a very large patch to the current game.
vast bay
Btw poe already don't run on potatoes
sharp iron
There are 6 brand notables being added, but only 1 banner notable being added.
rich bay
i guess
torpid sonnet
Thats because banners are fine right now but brands are kinda underused
vast bay
I saw the notables and there was 2 that got my attention:
A- 1% increased damage for every 75 armor /evasion eating on your shield..
B- 1% increased damage for every 1% block chance
timid geyser
They are pretty mediocre tbh.
1st one is really weak tbh. Like 40% at most on a SST build. Second one is alright as it is is 75%+ on capped block builds, but still nothing too crazy.
torpid sonnet
75% for one notable is really good, especially since maxblock builds typically struggle with damage
vast bay
Now if that was for global armor
timid geyser
I mean if it was global armour that would be different sure, but it isn't.
vast bay
Yeah block builds will take any dmg they get
timid geyser
Problem is there are a lot of notables that are better than 75% increased damage.
vast bay
Also there were few notables with the explodey mod and the mod of Obliteration Wands
wild arch
Having a hard time deciding between which is better for ignite
Just a generic trickster or occultist with bass boosted curses
patent canyon
unless you wanna go CI for stun immunity, trick
sharp iron
How can a trickster deal fire damage? Shadows are Dex/Int while fire is connected to Strength. I don't see that being an effective igniter.
patent canyon
?
sharp iron
I just don't see a trickster being very good for ignite builds, like Franken suggested.
wild arch
You just go up a bit into witches' nodes
patent canyon
trick is the best ignite ascendency atm
wild arch
It's not that hard
sharp iron
What abilities does the Trickster ascendancy have that makes them potentially more desirable for ignite?
wild arch
20% more damage over time
patent canyon
utility and dot
sharp iron
Ah
wild arch
And around 60% increased on top
But then again occultist has 10% inc damage taken
And over -100% fire resist up all the time
sharp iron
Not sure which is better
wild arch
Occultist is way better in theory
sharp iron
I think Occultist would be better defensively.
wild arch
But you need to find a way to apply the curses
If you just blasphemy them then you need to be up close for it to work
sharp iron
Could you switch to Hands of the High Templar for endgame when you have the currency to buy one with the right rolls?
Aren't there a bunch of Curse on Hit corruptions you can get on that?
wild arch
Depends on if you can get ele weakness, flammability and despair on them
Also what level are the curses
sharp iron
Level 10-12 elemental weakness
There are also a few other spellcaster corruptions like cast speed and spell crit.
wild arch
Sounds too weak
sharp iron
Could this be used as an early leveling item until you get better ways to auto-curse or handle blasphemy auras? https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Mark_of_Submission
No wait, if it's a Delve unique then that would be hard to obtain
peak terrace
ive never obtained that item in my life
while hitting 350-400 delve and side farming a lot at 330or so for two leagues now
idkhow common it is
just run vortex wih curse on hit
or sth like that
some insta cast spell
sour mountain
i am most excited for the most exciting notable
+1 broteam
i don't understand how anyone can look at that "you can only have one herald" keystone and the herald of purity notables and think anything other than "bruh"
lunar moth
damn it, I don't know what to choose for notables
there are so many I want
don't know if it's possible to specc into them with what I have in mind
lunar moth
well, league starter contagion trickster
sour mountain
oh there are so many good chaos dot nodes
lunar moth
i know
sour mountain
you are going to be overwhelmed with options
lunar moth
I'm building the armour and stuff myself
like, theorycrafting what I'm gonna do, but now cluster jewels make things complicated
like, how many notables can I have
sour mountain
as that shadow in particular, you will have good access to one edge jewel
which is through mana at the top
lunar moth
hm
that's not too far off from my current path
although, it's deviating slightly since I'm not speccing C.I.
sour mountain
depends on if you're playing into mana really imo
lunar moth
it's like 3 extra passive points
i'm playing off of energy shield
but, I'll consider it when the league comes
bold basalt
lets be real
with 280 notables you're not gonna get the one you want anytime soon
unless lucky as f
patent canyon
cough trading cough
crystal flicker
you talking SSF or trade?
if they drop often enough I bet trading for the ones you want will be easy enough.
bold basalt
dunno, we'll see
slender temple
some combos gonna be $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
bold basalt
maybe not the notables are not gonna be that bad
but notables with decent
small nodes
is gonna be annoying
sour mountain
what the fuck is wrong with my discord
cant edit my post, cant delete it
there we go
screw the notables, just get juiced af smalls
oblique stone
This league is gonna be lit with people slamming jewels.
round charm
The jewels will do specific notables based on the enchant, Just find the right ilvl and right enchant and you roll from there
slender temple
from baeclast. and for now pending ggg rebalancing. they said the min level to get all possible options is item level 85
so the really lgood stuff probably locked behind that level limit
raw crest
I still need to go back and read up on Delve and Temple and the whole syndicate thing, missed all those leagues and have no clue on the mechanics applying to end game
slender temple
delve is like a stand alone infinite dungeon game that you can gather some "play tokens" for in regular mapping via "ssulphite deposits"
ember valley
Smalls mean you won’t have any dps or utility I believe
sour mountain
but what is the minimum level of broteams
only taking small cluster jewels is fine if you get all your damage from the tree 🤷♂️
raw crest
Game has changed a ton, looking forward to delirium
slender temple
@sour mountain just setup your osearch filters and keep spamming im sure it wil go up pretty fast. then just look at the min itlevel of the ones for sale
ember valley
That is true
sour mountain
i think the herald wheel is gonna be A+++
ember valley
I think larges are worth it with 3 notables and two jewel sockets
But only if it’s evrrything you want obviously
sour mountain
i don't even know if larges can roll small node modifiers
ember valley
Yeah I have some builds that don’t even touch the outer ring
I’ll have to see if it’s worth it on pob
sour mountain
because i think you might find real meat if you can get like, 15 node wheels with 2 good modifiers for the small
ember valley
Tbh I felt it just wasn’t worth the passive point investment but who knows
dusty umbra
I can see witch sometimes not being close to outer rings, majority of classes are always very few points away from outers
sour mountain
witch almost always gets the +1 lightning resist, ES nodes in the top left
so ele damage node is close-ish
ember valley
I did a hybrid trickster going for jewels
And ended up going for all inner jewels since it was only 2cost instead of 3
But bis cluster jewels are going to be nuts I wonder how much some will be on trade
How are the travel passives decided by?
hasty perch
you can't use cluster jewels on inner ones tho
ember valley
In cluster jewel s
Yea which is why I am not too hyped
I may only find a good one from trade
hasty perch
some nodes are so broken they're well worth it
silver kettle
@ember valley the enchantment on the jewel determines the small nodes on that jewel. It also determines which notables can appear on it
dusty umbra
need to wait for poedb to data mine which ench gives which notables
@silver kettle i guess you can't confirm nor deny that only notables of same icon can only be on same jewel?
timid geyser
There have been posts with clusters having notables with different icons.
silver kettle
plenty of notables have multiple enchantments they can spawn with
the art is semi-arbitrary for those
wispy crest
I guess chaos dot is chaos, dot, damage etc... ? Thats what you mean ?
timid geyser
btw I was able to get 92% less damage taken on a decent setup via strength of blood memes if you were wondering viper. Any more than that is not really doable in game.
dusty umbra
found one so i guess ya
storm crown
its both axe and sword enchant
hasty perch
the varunastra is back enchant
i'm so making a varunastra slayer with that , with the 25% effect of small nodes it's 30% increased damage per small pasive
dusty umbra
that's not what i meant though 🙂
wispy crest
How many points are you guys leaving for cluster jewels ? I left 20 from lvl 76 to 96
dusty umbra
vicious skewering and bloodscent are on those semi arbitrary different kind of icons
timid geyser
20 is on the high end, but is reasonable amount
copper kernel
None initially
copper kernel
Jewel first, passives after
timid geyser
Anything past 20 points for a single cluster setup is either doing weird things with voices and/or taking literally every single passive.
ember valley
I will be happy with just a large 3 bis notables and then spam crit multi jewels in the 2 sockets
timid geyser
Yeah, I'm just talking about a single cluster jewel socket.
wispy crest
I have 20 points for one
dusty umbra
For single even something like 8-5-3 ~16-20 is ok
timid geyser
for example the cluster jewel in the most recent news post was 17 points If I recall correctly.
Nope, it was 23. not quite sure where I got 17 from
dusty umbra
I'm kind of assuming those nice life nodes are only on smalls though
wispy crest
23 with ALL passives or just the "main route"
timid geyser
Probably assuming stuff like smallest possible jewels of each size gives me the 17 number.\
Main route.
copper kernel
Also lets not forget that ilvl matters
wispy crest
Yeah so I got it about right
timid geyser
No reason to take all passive imo, unless you are doing some really weird jewel with no notables.
ember valley
I still can’t believe it will cost that many points...
timid geyser
Do you take every small node on the passive tree wheels normal?
ember valley
I will probably just stick to a normal tree then see what’s on trade and pob everything
God no
dusty umbra
@timid geyser small passives do look very appealing though since they are on average better than normal passives
6 life +10 res ; or 5% dot multi etc
something like just 12% inc attack damage maybe not
timid geyser
Yeah, most jewels will be the 12% increased damage number
In particular large cluster jewels.
in like 80% of scenarios it probably won't be point efficient to pick up every small node.
wispy crest
I reall dont know what to aim for (notables) for cold based spellslinger
wispy crest
Okay
hasty perch
other notables depend on your actual build
wispy crest
Do you know anything about making good builds ? I kinda suck and would apprwciate someone to take a look at my build
hasty perch
check if your dps i s good
check if you have at least 160% life
check if you have defenses
wispy crest
I dont know if dps is good - its spellslinger
hasty perch
hope for the best
wispy crest
When I added all avg hits and multiplied by 2 it summed to 230k
Thats prolly pretty low dps huh ? :/
hasty perch
that's low but depends on your gear etc
wispy crest
Can you please look at the build ?
dusty umbra
wispy crest
Ye
Digging it up
Should be this
I am on phone now
If there are leveling trees it is correct
hasty perch
seems weird to use ice nova
without astral projector
you're going to shoot it around you
wispy crest
There is frostbolt
wispy crest
All the gems above the "line" are spellslinger supported
hasty perch
not sure about making full 3L either , getting a massive spellslinger 6L seems more efficient too , but that's for you to chose
but there's a few issues on the tree
wispy crest
I have 7 spellslinger links
sour mountain
spellslinger 6l with ice nova and frostbolt seems easy enough
wispy crest
(setups)
hasty perch
wandslinger makes no sense
sour mountain
awakened cold damage, x, x
wispy crest
Do yoz see the name on frenzy ? Kinetic Bolt TM
hasty perch
3 points for soulthief is also weird
wispy crest
Aka resrved for kinetic bolt
hasty perch
but you're not full linking kinetic bolt are you?
hasty perch
where do you put your gems
wispy crest
Body armour, as selected in the gems sections
hasty perch
seems like a lot of gems 6 spellslingers stuff and a 6L attack
sour mountain
are you 6ling the kinetic bolt or the spellslinger
wispy crest
You got the wrong PoB maybe I have it all here clearly viisble
sour mountain
but yeah frostbolt ice nova double tulfall will be the build of the league 10/10 dont @ me
wispy crest
hasty perch
i see
sour mountain
...additional accuracy?
hasty perch
soulthief is still 3 points lost tho
sour mountain
for what purpose
hasty perch
yeah additional accuracy makes little sense
wispy crest
Nope I actually need the soulthief to leech es to have mana for MoM
sour mountain
i don't know why you're using all those elemental mods on your kinetic blast tbh
hasty perch
get es leech somewhere else you don't want to burn 3 points for it
wispy crest
It gave me most DPS cuz my hit chance was ceap
hasty perch
can probably fit a precision and accuracy on gear
wispy crest
@sour mountain why ? It will be kinetic bolt
hasty perch
also you'll want to take the 2 point jewels
they're always the best option in lategame
wispy crest
Can I get ES leech on jewels ?
sour mountain
also r.e. "i keep missing" does vagan craftmod fix that
hasty perch
vagan mod isn't an option
you're already super mod starved
on spellslinger wands
as you want spell damage and flat attack damage
and crit multi
and as
wispy crest
My unreserved mana will be very close or at 0 so I need the es leech to fill my eldritch battery right.
sour mountain
elreon rings to delete your mana cost
wispy crest
No I need it for MoM
Not mana cost
I have Sanctuary of Thought and Insipiration so mana cost isnt problem
sour mountain
summon harbinger of time
wispy crest
Thats just nice addition to reduce CD of spellslinger
sour mountain
is that actually in the build or just something you're fiddling with
wispy crest
My leaguestarter
hasty perch
once you get moneys you can probably use a thread of hope
wispy crest
What for ?
sour mountain
i'd have to double check but yeah you can make good jumps from that witch jewel socket
wispy crest
I mean isnt thread of hope expensive ?
hasty perch
yeah light eater , heart of ice and breath of rime
wispy crest
That sounds cool
wispy crest
Oh ok
hasty perch
item is not popular so not expensive once a lot of people dropped it
wispy crest
And otherwise does the build make sense ?
wispy crest
144% life on tree + some on cluster jewel and 40% MoM sounds like alot of defense. Also spell leech
Isnt it ?
Or like, how else can I get more defence
hasty perch
moar life
wispy crest
But how its all so far
wispy crest
Ok so more.jewels
hasty perch
yeah take every 2 point jewel
they're just purely better than 2 points somewhere else
wispy crest
Ok
hasty perch
once you can afford double crit multi life ones
hasty perch
you could also take out the sovereignty cluster and aracane expansion and eldritch battery
wispy crest
Or I take 2 outer jewels
wispy crest
EB ?
hasty perch
eldritch battery
sour mountain
guys i just had a really dumb thought
Lone Messenger
Minions from Herald skills deal 25% more damage
what about summon phantasm support
wispy crest
Ok what amount of %life would you recommend for this build considering 40% MoM
Thats a separate spawn isnt it
hasty perch
160-170 (jewel life included)
tawny pasture
life build always want at least 150% imo
wispy crest
Even with 40% MoM ??
tawny pasture
yup
hasty perch
well that's 145 ish and 2 life jewels
wispy crest
You can get 20% from cluster jewels easy right ?
hasty perch
ok
wispy crest
I mean I hope 22 ish points is good for 2 of em
Not considering The Voices shenanigans :D
hasty perch
hard to give an answer to that yet
wispy crest
Yea
hasty perch
we'll need more info on what spawns where
dusty umbra
@wispy crest depends on how deep into jewels u go tbh
hasty perch
regrets exists tho so it'll be fine
dusty umbra
16 could technically be enough for one full outer large+med+small if u take all nodes
wispy crest
Large branch off into two mediums dont they
dusty umbra
they can yes
wispy crest
I see
40 points just for jewels ffs :D
Should I even go crit with 37% crit chance with items and tree...
ember valley
get a diamond flask?
wispy crest
by going non crit I saved 7 points and lost 2k avg hit
from 23k to 21..... That is worth it right ?
ember valley
is this your league starter?
wispy crest
ye
ember valley
well, a point is worth at least 2% dmg
so yeah it's worth it
until you get better gear
wispy crest
ok
wispy crest
I think I did enough workaround to simulate 3.10
also please take a look at my weps and tell me your opinion on leaguestartability
torpid sonnet
if your spellslinger setup is hitting for 21k its probably not worth running
torpid sonnet
would get more damage by replacing that mana reservation with aura/herald probably
ember valley
hm that pastebin doesn't work for me
wispy crest
hmmmh maybe I posted too much and it wants captcha
Oh also it is LocalIdentity fork what I made the PoB in
maybe that too ?
@ember valley Does it work now
ember valley
Yes it works, ty!
bold basalt
do we have info if you can have the same notable from 2 cluster jewels?
wispy crest
@ember valley Ok please tell me what you think I am suspicious of the build bing kinda shite
ember valley
what do you mean by the spellslinger effect here adding flat cold and lightning
oh i get it
wispy crest
Spellslinger works by adding all your wand damage after local increases and flat adds to spells
Yeah whatever 😄
sour mountain
i really am thinking about tulfall with spellslinger
wispy crest
But why. The added damage is to spells and it is from power charges it gets rid of automatically so it has low uptime
So you avarage dps will only be considering 50% of the tulfall buff AND you are not using the special thing about spellslinger aka it using the actual wand ATTACK damage
ember valley
yeah unfortunately i dont know anything about KB or wanding atm so i dont have much advice
wispy crest
I mean the generic build idea, defences etc
@ember valley
Ok so I have two options. 6L Kinetic Bolt or 6L Ice Nova Spellslinger
ember valley
im pretty sure you dont want accuracy as a skill gem but this is your league starter you said right
ember valley
also at the start if you just go straight up for int you save 1 passive point, that is generally speaking worth it if it lets you get a jewel or notable
wispy crest
But I lose alot of ele damage then right
outer plank
So the cluster jewels, we can craft new notables onto them, correct? Or can they each only have like, 1 or 2 that they come with, and a bunch of smaller nodes? Or do we not know yet exactly?
ember valley
it doesn't matter, my brain thinks min maxing too much
wispy crest
I can tell by look it is proll not worth it because I already have 90 points only
I am saving the rest for Cluster Jewels
silk iron
I wonder how this will work with ST ?
wispy crest
@outer plank They come with fixed enchant that dictates the passive nodes pool. You can roll within that pool
ST ?
silk iron
Spectral Throw
ember valley
prism weave cluster, has 12% accuracy in the cluster
wispy crest
Can you send me quick screenshot of that ?
BTW You can use Windows + Shift + S on Windows 10 to do quick snap from your screen
Super useful
Then Ctrl-v to paste it
ember valley
i do you one better bud
here's a gif: https://i.imgur.com/WfrMVvs.gifv
also consider the large wand cluster rightnext to EB
and precision which is right next to your starting spot
but there are so many places to get it from gear that you shouldn't worry about imo
wispy crest
Wait accuracy is easy from gear ?
patent canyon
you only need 3k total to cap accuracy
usually single 300acc flat +global% mod caps you
unless you are on left side of the tree with 0 dex
ember valley
also jewels exist
actually i think that large wand cluster by EB gives a lotmore than the prism weave cluster, up to you, worth a look
wispy crest
Is 1 jewel and gear enough to alteast somewhat cap accuracy ?
ember valley
atm i am really unsure because i am a spells guy and haven't touched attacks in forever
wispy crest
BTW I setup the actual mana reservation with supports and I get to exactly 0% with my gems with 6L spellslinger Ice Nova and to 13% with 6L Kinetic Bolt
ember valley
maybe someone else can help you better, maybe in #1┃endgame-help
wispy crest
Okay
ember valley
gl
wispy crest
I just have to decide if I want to actually deal damage with my Kinetic Bolt or just use it to proc the Spellslinger
ahhhh so hard
patent canyon
i am playing around with it and its really hard to make spellslinger do meaningful damage enough to kill everything for you with just it alone
rose pasture
Kinetic bolt impale anyone? ;)
patent canyon
no shattering wander... eehhhh.. no i'll pass even tho its prob highest damage you can get on no gear
wispy crest
I got 7 spells to sling and somewhat decent damage on all on 90 passive points and with only 2 weps and ring sooooo
I hope I can get it to clear T15
patent canyon
how are you fitting them in 👀
wispy crest
I have 1% u reserved mana
patent canyon
so literally 0L spells?
wispy crest
Heriophant + Alphas Howl + Tree reservation
No
3 1L (remember SS is support) 2 3L and 2 4L
And 6L bolt
sour mountain
so aside from cyclone
what do people think will be a meaty strategy for cleaning out these deliriums
wispy crest
Actually that setup has like 13% u reserved the one with 6L spellsling has 1%
sour mountain
i am very optimistic about chain hook
sour mountain
hits the bad guys? good effect
moves you? good effect
rage? good effect
wispy crest
Good you said hits and not kills
:D
@patent canyon I can send you PoB with all the stuff tommorow. There is ALOT though cuz I had to get around the reservation thingy correctly
patent canyon
MOAR SCREEN CLUTTER
wispy crest
Yeag thats the feeling if power
Aight I am gonna wake myself up and get the laptop before I go to sleep just so you can have the PoB
Btw is that the racoon from shield hero ? @patent canyon
patent canyon
holo from spice and wolf
patent canyon
ty
wispy crest
No prob. Gib feedback plz
Btw the "Ice Nova" is used in pair with "Kinetic Bolt TM" and "Ice Nova Reservation" while "Ice Nova 2" is used with "Kinetic Bolt TM 2" and "Ice Nova 2 Reservation" @patent canyon
patent canyon
ok gotcha
i like the set up but i feel like it would be a bit better dropping arctic breath for support on other spell
its rather slow moving proj and you get plenty of chill from other stuff you are throwing
wispy crest
@patent canyon I thought it was good bcuz of guaranteed chill on bosses. But you might be right
In that case 6L ice spear might be the way to go.....
Idk
patent canyon
cascade spear and nova?
wispy crest
Cascade ?!
patent canyon
glacial cascade
wispy crest
Oh
I like the amount of spells I have
So it would be matter of fiddling around with supports to fit it
Also I am praying to god of technology I just made up so that my PC comes back from repair shop before friday
Also what do you think of the weps ? Easily obtainable @ leaguestart ?
@patent canyon
patent canyon
yeah those should be dirt cheap
wispy crest
Niiiiice
patent canyon
also
might want to maybe do wand + shield
shields can have some fancy stuff on them too
wispy crest
Ya think you could make full gear with new weps that will be under 3 ex early ? It is 00:07 here. I am dying inside and outside
patent canyon
without the thread of hope jewel it looks under 3ex
wispy crest
Yeah that will be FUN
patent canyon
i hope trade site will allow to properly filter search them
wispy crest
Anyway, REALLY gotta go sleep. Are you EU ? Can we chat tommorow ?
gentle kayak
can u put non-cluster jewels in the additional jewel sockets made by cluster jewel nodes?...
wispy crest
Nice. Good night
patent canyon
gn
wide grove
god bless the coronavirus and the DELIRIUM !
gentle kayak
taht could be good? wonder if cluster nodes will allow "multiple jewel sockets"
wild arch
You can have 2 jewel sockets in large wheels and 1 in medium
gentle kayak
thx
wild arch
And the voices unique has 3 medium jewel sockets
gentle kayak
is it all rng based, or is it like "hey this large wheel has [keystone], therefore the small nodes are fixed too"
wild arch
The small nodes are fixed
gentle kayak
my problem is.... you need to spend 3 passives just to even get the Cluster active.. let alone pathing to the ones you want
hasty perch
some notable are priceless
really super strong
and it seems wastefull to use 3 passives to socket a single cluster
one you paid the initial 3 passives it's a lot cheaper for the medium and smalls you socket in them
gentle kayak
do we know if there will be new implicit corrupted mods for Cluster Jewels? cuuuuuz, that would be cool.
it just seems like... no one ever said "gee, what should I do with all of these passive points the game gives me". passive tree is already super important to min-max. and every top tier build is a stretch for passive points by 90+
sour mountain
honestly i think it depends on how you're breaking into the jewel node
if you're playing a class that uses its mana for defense you don't exactly mind taking the one behind the mana nodes
old cedar
Is delirium still coming in 2 days or di dsomething chage
languid path
countdown in the website
viscid frost
@brazen arch it was already 60 orbs since 3.9
viscid frost
GGG probably wanted to specify it on the gem description cause not every1 reads wiki/patchnote
violet nymph
this is definitely still a minion league right? the gem nerfs are significant but the cluster jewels should more than make up for it
lol
warm steppe
still, necro league
violet nymph
i'll probably do spectres, i enjoy them and the new spectres seem fun
but
considering no skills have really been nerfed or buffed into a super tempting looking position i have no idea what i wanna play now. lol
viscid frost
wonder how the spectre nerf will affect damage though
i imagine there's quite a bit of difference between lvl 76 and 80 mob
deep wave
2 lvls are like 10% more damage
violet nymph
yeah me too but i dont know how spectres work really lmao
deep wave
supposedly
violet nymph
if anything i just feel like most of the nerfs are an attempt to balance out with cluster jewels tho. a lot of the minion cluster jewels are insane.
warm steppe
yeah
violet nymph
so necro will just require more investment which is alright imo
warm steppe
necro still completely meta imo
viscid frost
yeah
hard to beat having few hundred thousand of hp shield wall between you and stuff that's trying to kill you
deep wave
ok so assuming a 1300str zombie build will lose 2 zombies+130%inc es?
and spirit offering 😦
viscid frost
just switch to flesh offering
deep wave
no mine nerfs 😄
violet nymph
yeah no mine nerfs is surprising too
deep wave
except pyro
violet nymph
i might play ball lightning ascendant for leaguestart but seems risky since a lot of mana gear is gonna be really expensive too
deep wave
Base mine throwing time has been raised to 0.3 seconds (from 0.25).
is this the only non pyroclast mine nerf?
viscid frost
ikr
deep wave
i mean the -mana for attacks chests are WAY harder to get now
viscid frost
honestly suprise to see no nerf to CoC either
deep wave
and that is necessary for cyclone
viscid frost
considering how prolific those were
brazen arch
i mean the -mana for attacks chests are WAY harder to get now
@deep wave what u mean
viscid frost
i never had issue w/ mana playing cyclone tbh
deep wave
Body Armour: Socketed Attacks have -15 to Mana Cost (now from Warlord's Influence), x% increased Aura Effect on you (now from Redeemer's Influence).
brazen arch
what about it?
brazen arch
These mods can still be obtained through Fossil crafting, as long as the base item also fulfills the mod's requirements.
^
deep wave
yea...just slightly more difficult
deep wave
did mana guardian get destroyed?
deep wave
Grand Spectrum: Cobalt versions now grant 25% increased Critical Strike Chance per Grand Spectrum (from +30 to maximum Mana)
Radiant Faith now grants maximum Energy Shield equal to 10% of your Reserved Mana to you and nearby Allies (from 15%).
brazen arch
those are just small changes
viscid frost
also shaper touch got nerfed as well
deep wave
Tempered Mind now grants -1 to Intelligence on allocated Passives and 2% increased Mana Recovery Rate per 10 Intelligence on allocated Passives.