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[brazen arch]

^

[gray ravine]

I dont even have 120 map bonuses..

[hardy hazel]

Delerium enchances other content

[faint basalt]

@hardy hazel ok i get that now

i get what you say

and well, when you create an alter you usually have currency

at least me and my friends always skip to T16 when we run an alter

[brazen arch]

alter?

what alteR?

[faint basalt]

he means that when you create a second character, the awakening bonus is still there so maps have increased bonus, so if a map has "monster deal X% of light dmg" it will be a bit higher due to the awakening bonus, so when you run a second char (an alter) you will have to deal with it

before this change you could just pop out the watchstone and downgrade awakening level

so this thing wouldn't happen

am i right? @hardy hazel

[hardy hazel]

Yes

They are also nerfing map sustain

[faint basalt]

not really

[hardy hazel]

High tier sustain

[faint basalt]

again, not really

look at this

[hardy hazel]

They removed maps to drop one tier higher

[faint basalt]

just by doing 154/154 you have +2 map tier drops

they remove the AWAKENING BONUS +1 tier

[brazen arch]

by just playing with a friend or two, you hould not have an issue with map drops

[faint basalt]

they remove this one

[brazen arch]

solo u might have an issue

[hardy hazel]

Thats what im takking about

[faint basalt]

you still have the +2 form 154/154 atlas bonus

[gray ravine]

Is that additive?

[faint basalt]

we wont notice the awakening bonus +1 disappeared

dunno @gray ravine

[gray ravine]

So you can get +3 with current atlas

[faint basalt]

only if viperesque was here atm 😦

[gray ravine]

75% chance is noticeable

[faint basalt]

well, it is, but you still have 54% to drop +2 tier

[hardy hazel]

The old system basically

[faint basalt]

yes, but better cause now ALL THE ATLAS IS T14/15/16

[gray ravine]

I interpret 54% chance to drop +2 then an extra 75% chance to drop one more tier higher than that

[faint basalt]

so you still sustain red tiers like god

[gray ravine]

So about 30% chance to +3

[faint basalt]

more like 40%

[hardy hazel]

I super juice my maps and this is the only league where i felt i didnt have to buy t16 in order to play challenginf maps

[gray ravine]

I phail at quik maff

[hardy hazel]

Say what you want its still a major nerf

[faint basalt]

i just did alch and go and i had +600 T16 maps

i started to give them to my guild mates

to make space

just alch and go

not even chisels

[hardy hazel]

Not everyone grinds as hard as you

[faint basalt]

not even sextants

[gray ravine]

Wut

Mate

[hardy hazel]

If your going through maps at mach10. Yes your going to have excess

Slower players would have alot harder time getting a good amount of t16

[faint basalt]

well, there are tons of builds to run maps fast

just look for 1 thats fun to play and go

[native sonnet]

speed has nth to do lol

[brazen arch]

play with friends ^

[faint basalt]

well, speed makes me clear 30 maps per hour

[brazen arch]

complete maps faster

share maps

[faint basalt]

while another player might clear only 10

[brazen arch]

^

[native sonnet]

u still need 30 maps

yeah u consume morr

[faint basalt]

yes, but the more i do the more i get

if i do 30 maps and get 60

while another player makes 10 maps and get 20

his profit is way less than mine

[native sonnet]

yeah so sustain is still sustain, speed is irrelevant

[brazen arch]

99% of the crappy rares u find while mapping is trash

[hardy hazel]

More maps means higher chance of t16 happening within a time frame

[brazen arch]

unless using the vender recipe start of the league

diff story

[faint basalt]

what does rare have to do here now?

[brazen arch]

u guys mentioned speed

with the proper build

u shouldnt be picking up trash

to sell

[faint basalt]

well, i know

[brazen arch]

= speed

[faint basalt]

thats why i have uber strict filter modified by myself

[hardy hazel]

My lootfilter is at uberstrict

But 6sockets are still bueno to pick up

[faint basalt]

why you put a spanish word there? lol

But 6sockets are still bueno to pick up
@hardy hazel

[brazen arch]

thats because ur on sc

join hc

ull be like holy shit i need to pick these up

^

[faint basalt]

well, thats why i dont play hc, i like to just run maps and flip market, no need to worry about loosing all my progress

[brazen arch]

u relize

[hardy hazel]

Incoming one tap from seziure inducing visual efdects

Yea no

[brazen arch]

the best item on sc

[hardy hazel]

Slow ride, take it easy

[brazen arch]

is worth more

then it is on hc?

[hardy hazel]

But everything is more expensive

...

I dont see your point?

[brazen arch]

my point is

what u have

u always have

unless ur on hc

if ur on hc

you die

bye bye

^

[faint basalt]

yes, i know, but 1st of all, all my friends play sc, 2nd doesnt matter if the cost of an item is x500 higher if i lose all my gear on dead , 3rd just like to create buiilds and test them to see what works and what doesnt, so doing this on hc is like shooting a gun to my foot

[hardy hazel]

Getting one tapped in visual vomit is fun and balanced

[brazen arch]

beleive me

im an hc player

i learned the game playing hc

i suck

but if it wasnt for hc

i wouldnt be playing this game

longer then i have

[faint basalt]

the thing here is that we finally can complete all the awakening bonus, even cadiro or machinarium

so 3.10 best league ever

[brazen arch]

tbh

i wouldnt say so

[hardy hazel]

Not everyone wants to play hc

And people play diffrently

[brazen arch]

beleive me i dont want to play hc either, but i know ill get bored of sc

[faint basalt]

why

i wouldnt say so
@brazen arch

well, you can always do like mathil and do 1 build every 2 or 3 days

to see if you can build something that kills all endgame

[hardy hazel]

I have a life and losing 50 hourd of charcter progress would fuck me up hard

[brazen arch]

i have a life to

but thats why

[hardy hazel]

And playing another slow ass thicc jugg would kill me

[faint basalt]

you lose 5 hours to get to maps and another 3 or 4 to get to lvl 85+

[brazen arch]

but thats y

playing hc, always me to learn the game better, but at the same time slows me down.

also

i always ask myself

should i be doing this new content?

fuck it

here i go

boom

[hardy hazel]

Well thats the way you like to plsy

[brazen arch]

death

start over again

[hardy hazel]

Not everyone wants that

[brazen arch]

then i jsut slam my head into the desk

start overt the next day

repeat^

[hardy hazel]

Masochist

[brazen arch]

so

let me just say

if u ever do make a build guide

please advice whether your playing hc or sc

so if someone like me follows it

knows what to do^

[gray ravine]

Idk tho

Maps are pretty fast for me

Metamorphs take more time than the rest of the map

At least for me

[brazen arch]

my biggest fear on hc = using self damaging items

oni

abysus

nebnulach

etc

[hardy hazel]

Berserker abysuss reckless defense

I live life dangerously

[brazen arch]

u clearly dont care if u live or not on sc

i cant do that

: /

[hardy hazel]

RD is so shit i use it for sweaty palms

[brazen arch]

rd?

whats that?

[hardy hazel]

Reckless defense

[brazen arch]

lol

[hardy hazel]

A jewel that turns the game into a spin the wheel of fate

[brazen arch]

its aight

i dont remember if it has a limit or not

[hardy hazel]

It doesnt

[brazen arch]

for sc players

the only punishment to death is exp loss?

[hardy hazel]

There are some many formd of block RD is just garbage no matter what

If your like 90+ with avg clear. Dying can set you back a half an hour or more

For those min maxers. It hurts

[brazen arch]

i mean thats much better then losing your gear and starting over

[hardy hazel]

And thats why i dont play hc

If i lost 10ex gear i would unistall the game

Time down the drain

[brazen arch]

ive tried hard

to start sc

i jsut havent fully convinced myself

i also think that this game is designed to learn on sc specifically

do to so many las and dcs n shit

[hardy hazel]

Bless yourself you wont be one tapped by the microscopic spec on your screen

[brazen arch]

beleive me

i have

a10 kitava

the fire animation

u no what im refering too?

[eager terrace]

the sweeping breath?

[gray ravine]

Metamorphs spawn these random black blobs that do a shitton of dmg

And they home

[brazen arch]

^

[spice schooner]

yeah those are a pain

Luckily they spawn minions too

[ruby berry]

@gray ravine yea .. was bad leg for me .. my opinion that it is worst leg ever

[sonic cove]

hey idk if this is the right channel for this but what's with the shitstorm surrounding the newest announcement?

people seemed really upset and I'm not sure I understand the changes

[arctic briar]

atlas changes

"sustaining t16 is a problem" which isn't a problem before COTA with investment like chisels,sextants etc

[ember hill]

lower chance to drop high tier maps

also it's reddit being reddit

water is wet reddit is angry

[sonic cove]

I just don't get why it needed to be "fixed"

[ember hill]

ggg don't want people to run white T16s and sustain

[sonic cove]

it's a bizarre change considering that they said they wanted high awakening levels to be more rewarding than they are now

[ember hill]

yes that's contradicting a bit

[sonic cove]

it is

and it sounds like they don't have a single design philosophy

it seems like Suzy from the game balance department wanted to nerf sustain but Stan from game design wanted to buff high awakening levels

[coral garden]

High awakening level is a separate thing dont mix them

[sonic cove]

excuse me

I meant high completion levels

I mixed up my thoughts

[mortal yarrow]

I think the issue in meta was the fact that you could run white 16s and easily sustain them which they disliked

[sonic cove]

idk what their fetish is for nerfing map sustain

I found that in previous leagues the component that consistently killed the league for me was atrocious map sustain

it's part of why I never made it to uber elder

[mortal yarrow]

Map sustain at 16 literally just meant you had to chisel and alch

[sonic cove]

that was never my experience

which is obviously anecdotal evidence at best

I just found that it was never very fun to have to worry about losing progress because I did something "wrong"

[coral garden]

Map sustain doesnt just affect maps

It affects how much u value the encounters that drop maps

Alva/zana/delve etc

And things like chisels, sextants etc

[sonic cove]

right

sure

I just don't see how nerfing map sustain is good or adds to the game

I'll definitely agree that map sustain is really good now compared to how it was in the past, but I see that as an upgrade not a downgrade

[violet nymph]

oh they're nerfing map sustain? sick honestly

i got tired of tossing my t16s just to spawn sirus

because i had plenty enough to afford doing that

stupid game

[steep plover]

I think easy sustain up until about T12 is probably reasonable. Above that, I think it should be harder. Either heavy investment required, or luck. T16's were far too easy to sustain this league

[coral garden]

I have enough to burn t14s for sirus spam and i am on ssf

[tidal tusk]

do we know if the next league mechanic will be like temple and other past leagues where you want high clearspeed to be able to sustain having the mechanic live for the longest amount of time or does it just last like the whole map?

[coral garden]

I dont see any timer so most prob last till u exit

[tidal tusk]

thanks im trying to decide what build i want to do for league start and wasnt sure how much to prioritize clearspeed

[shut wagon]

Be aware. Its possible that GGG disabled the normal Layout Form to let us see more. The normal layout Form could included a timer

[tidal tusk]

true

[hazy gust]

HH league Pog

[shut wagon]

But in my opinion a non-timer would be logic. Its a "nightmare", that inflicted the whole map including ALL past league mechanics, that took time
but the main reason for me: a nighmare shouldnt end after a time Period, a real nightmare (except dreams obvs) should end with a dead or a success

[storm crown]

if they want to attack the white map farming just make it so awaken bonus only affeckt rare maps..

[shut wagon]

so i can imagine the end of this mechanic is 1time dead (like temple) or just nothing, u kill everyone that passed your way

[river narwhal]

there's a timing mechanic

the fog will start to dissipate from the center, so you can imagine it being like a very thick donut shape that radiates outwards

[coral garden]

What if it gets thicker as time passes

Would make for a good aprils fool xD

1min in u cant see anything but fog

[vast berry]

i hope they balanced the progression on difficulty and not time

[glad narwhal]

I don't think that map drop nerf is that big of a deal 🤷‍♂️

[vast berry]

nah me neither

it being easy to sustain t16 when not even doing league mechanics is just dumb

[glad narwhal]

the master mission one is slightly annoying but it's only 5%

[vast berry]

its super easy to do map rooms in delve or temple

[tawny pasture]

yeah but map room in delve and temple are bugged

and can loot t1 in t16 zone

[coarse moon]

it’s possible that they are finally fixing that

[tawny pasture]

its possible that they wont too x)

[frank hound]

maybe they also fix 2 unique maps not being able to drop at the intended higher level

that would be nice

[sharp wind]

Viper's fixing temple so we can hope

[sharp iron]

I feel that Hollow Palm Technique won't be viable, not out of the lack of weapons, but the lack of gloves. You can stack enough dex and damage modifiers to get equivilant damage to a weapon. But you have less defenses, elemental resistances, crit stats, dexterity, and skills because you don't have gloves to grant those to you.

I shouldn't say "won't be viable", but I don't think it will be on the same level as many other builds.

[frank hound]

didn't someone do the maths and you're better off with facebreakers in every situation anyway

someone in this discord was doing it at least

[olive lion]

It is prolly gonna be viable, but expensive, since the rest of the gear will need to compensate

[timid geyser]

Depends on how you define viable.

[frank hound]

well according to what viable means, it probably will be viable

as in you can run content with it

it won't be optimal

[timid geyser]

Yup.

[olive lion]

another thing to think about is the rest of the notables, there might be other ones who synergize well with the hollow palm

[frank hound]

sure

[sharp wind]

Problem is some people define viable as peak cyclone from melee league

[olive lion]

i want to do melee, but anything not cyclone just seems so inefficient 😄

hopefully the last new skill gem is melee

[sharp wind]

I might go cyclone. Never done it before

[olive lion]

though to be fair making a hollow palm build has the benefit of novelty

no gear meta when? 😄

[sharp wind]

Mathil makes one, what the price fixers going to do?

[olive lion]

depends on how common that jewel is

i really hope the cluster jewels in general are pretty common

[sharp wind]

I think they learnt that making new content more accessible makes the league more successful.

[olive lion]

this though needs to be even more accessible

[glad narwhal]

I might go ice crash karate

or infernal blow

[olive lion]

i really wish flicker strike could be used with hollow palm

[frank yew]

Are they expanding the passive tree? If so... Why? Unless they give more skill points out, there's only so far you can go with roughly 112 passive points... Assuming you make it to 100.

[glad narwhal]

They aren't expanding the "regular" tree

just the cluster jewels

[olive lion]

I definitely making a scion though

those extra passive points will be crucial

[timid geyser]

~123 points @ lvl 100.

[tawny pasture]

not really grey

scion is the class that need the most pts before reaching the jewel

[tender tusk]

consec path

telepunching :>

[frank hound]

not with their ascendancy 😛

you start from something like duelist and go to the edge

[olive lion]

ascendancy lets you path from any start

[frank hound]

thus nullifying that you are in the middle

[tender tusk]

you can just not allocate any point in the middle

[trim agate]

scion ascendancy is shit though

so

[tender tusk]

and use the extra 15 or w/e you get

[frank hound]

rofl 15

if scion got 15 it'd be the most played ascendancy

by a mile

[tender tusk]

it's been a while since i've played a scion

[coarse moon]

it’s 5

[olive lion]

i wonder how viable would be to just get as much cluster nodes and just use the cluster jewels for your skill tree

[frank hound]

probably not very

[tender tusk]

it looks like it's supposed to be splashed

[frank hound]

you need to do a lot of traveling to get to enough cluster jewel nodes on the tree

at which point you might as well get passives

[tender tusk]

but it depends how good the notables are

[frank hound]

that are closer

in my opinion cluster jewels seem like something most builds will use 1 of at most

or like 1 set of large -> medium -> small

[olive lion]

you are probably right

everyone should just probably allocate ~20 points for a large medium small cluster

[tawny pasture]

20 is a lot

[coarse moon]

how to fix life problems 101

[tender tusk]

i was looking at doing maybe 10

[coarse moon]

maybe my rangers can finally have high life :p

[frank hound]

you could have more life, I dunno about high and keeping damage

[timid geyser]

10 probably isn't enough if you plan on doing a whole chain, but 20 would be basically assuming you are talking all the passives.

[frank hound]

I did make a CA raider with 7k life

without kaom's

[tender tusk]

10 wasn't for a whole chain

just a med+small

or w/e ends up working

[frank hound]

but I think for a life ranger the ideal situation is that the cluster jewels give you a replacement for the scion life rectangle

so you don't have to go around to it

[river narwhal]

1-2 thick life clusters, have both a lot of life and the damage nodes you want on your ranger

[coarse moon]

most of the time you don’t bother going there

too many points for a hit build to spend

dot builds can get away w it tho

[olive lion]

one thing that scion has though is that even though the 5 passives are not that much, you can get them pretty early on

[tawny pasture]

yeah

it would to strong if not

[gray zealot]

use them on builds that work without a tree

[tawny pasture]

well , why do you want those

they arent mandatory

[glad narwhal]

Well they could be

[tawny pasture]

we dont have all the cluster so far

[glad narwhal]

I know

Maybe instead of picking doom cast you can go for some other spell crit on cluster jewels that also have more interesting stats

They didn't mention how many keystones there are did they

[tawny pasture]

didnt thet said like 20 cluster jewel ?

[glad narwhal]

Honestly I'm just gonna make a regular 100-points build that happens to be near an outer jewel socket

yeah but that would still be a huge amount of power creep given some of the nodes we've seen

[shy lance]

What I imagine is that the power on those jewels will be quite significant. So starting with passive tree but then late game respeccing points to get more jewels

[fallen tulip]

start with zdps 230% life builds and when u hit a good jewel respec

[autumn snow]

You can stack same notable with different jewels

Which sounds very efficient

[sour mountain]

i expect you won't be able to stack the same notable in the one jewel, but you can stack it across a large, a medium, and a small

though i am fairly sure that's what you mean 😄

[dusty umbra]

@autumn snow even without notables imo pretty good looking so far for Shadows/Duelists and Marauders

Same for some ranger builds as well

[sour mountain]

just having those life wheels as an option, coming out of the projectile damage jewel wheel on the right side... very, very appealing for shadows and rangers

[dusty umbra]

On average i'm expecting about 2-5 outer extensions used for these builds

[sour mountain]

i kinda suspect that most builds will not try to build out more than once from the tree

[dusty umbra]

and about 15-30 skill points going there

yeah skipping long paths to things like scion wheel

[sour mountain]

until we start seeing the absolutely jacked, high currency builds that run multiple wheels with perfect minors and notables and jewel sockets

[autumn snow]

Without notables is so so

[dusty umbra]

even without notables at 12-15% chaos dmg per small node i would get 300% inc chaos dmg with my available 22 nodes/skill points

[autumn snow]

@sour mountain and yeah that's what I meant

Bad wording

[sour mountain]

so ihit you want to just use one wheel out from projectile damage wheel?

[dusty umbra]

i count 4 possible outer wheels

but most likely proj dmg wheel + jewel wheel

since i have 22 available sp's

[sour mountain]

jewel wheel sorry?

[sour mountain]

yeah that's the proj damage wheel

[dusty umbra]

thought u meant this as proj wheel

[autumn snow]

Not all builds can do that tho

[dusty umbra]

hence average 2-5 for marauder/duelist/ranger/shadows

not sure bout templars n witches

they can get at least 1

[autumn snow]

It's really good for shadow/ranger for life

[sour mountain]

witch can grab +mana in shadow area, +ele damage in templar area

so witches are very well off for edge wheels

[autumn snow]

I'm hyped for the notable list

Build enabling notables would be amazing

[sour mountain]

that overshock notable is 👀

the recent minions are invincible one is also 👀

100% incredible for the minions that just get flattened in aoe spam encounters. phantasms and srs will really like it. whether they're viable in the meantime idk, but really nice.

[autumn snow]

Overshock is meme

The new shock formula makes it super hard to hit the default max shock effect

Let alone 60%

[sour mountain]

i'll need to check for dirty means to shock

[autumn snow]

It's sad 😩

[vast berry]

@autumn snow what did you mean about same notable in one notable

one jewel?

[sour mountain]

you get large with Overshock + jewel socket, you get medium with Overshock + jewel socket, you get small with Overshock
you have 3 Overshocks now

[vast berry]

i know that

but i cant tell what he is saying

[sour mountain]

that's what he means

[autumn snow]

I mean it's additive

Fixed

[vast berry]

ok yeah

it is very neat

im still curious if the +10 nearby for warcry will stack

[autumn snow]

That sounded as if you could have multiple same notables in one jewel, my bad

[vast berry]

ye thats where i was confused

beter emote

[autumn snow]

Thinking about it

Wouldn't that be amazing tho 🤔

[vast berry]

i mean

it would diminish

probably only worth up to 3 or 4

but yes definitely good

[autumn snow]

Warcries are still too annoying to use

Maybe some weird eternal apple build

[vast berry]

nah im just gonna insta cast

[autumn snow]

Coc discharge eternal apple

Berserker

[vast berry]

hmmmm

im just thinking as a melee scaling method like golem elementalist

[autumn snow]

Could be possible quite good with cluster jewels eh

[vast berry]

run farruls chase

couple of those jewel

debeons dirge for starter

into voidforge

[sour mountain]

i don't see why the +10 warcry notable wouldn't work

that said i would probably just use it to instantly hit 4 endurance charges

[autumn snow]

Multiple nearby effects

Dunno

[sour mountain]

i haven't played with the other warcry toys

[coarse moon]

ngl, that notable seems nice literally just for the easy 4 charge generation

[vast berry]

tect slam with apple

😛

[coarse moon]

remind me what apple does again?

[vast berry]

trigger socketed warcry on spending endurance

[autumn snow]

Yep

[coarse moon]

lmao

[sour mountain]

consume endurance charges at max endurance charges

[coarse moon]

so permamently sustaining them basically

[autumn snow]

So we would use three different warcries

[vast berry]

wouldnt the sustain stop tho?

cus the apple also takes all endurance

when you hit full

[sour mountain]

just use enduring cry to instantly cap it again

idk how enduring cry works when it's in the apple

[autumn snow]

You should never hit full with discharge

I guess

I think it has good potential

[coarse moon]

its definitely there

imma wait for one of yall to make it work :p

[vast berry]

i just think

you would have to ONLY have enduring cry in the apple

[autumn snow]

That warcry that gives % dmg could be amazing

[vast berry]

because then when you trigger

you get endurance

always

[sour mountain]

but you'll cause an infinite loop!

[vast berry]

thats the idea behind my build cake lmfao

[sour mountain]

of consuming and warcrying and consuming and warcrying!

[vast berry]

the % damage

the attack speed from farrul chase

and endurance/ife regen

if your endurance cap is hit on one warcry yes

[autumn snow]

Hm

Rallying cry dmg stacks? 🤔

"Instances: Rallying Cry can have an indefinite number of hidden stacks active, of which each loses its Duration naturally, but only the strongest one is shown as active buff, getting replaced by the second strongest when running out."

[vast berry]

no

its like ignite

[autumn snow]

I see

Sadly

[storm crown]

Wonder If there is gonna be statsnodeson The clusterjewels

[wild arch]

Warcries still have a shared cooldown

And it's impossible to make a self sustaining loop with the apple

[autumn snow]

either way

if the nearby thing stacks, this has huge potential

I hope you can stack the notables infinitely

[wild arch]

Chieftain with an abyssal cry apple could be neat

[autumn snow]

thinking about a warcry auramancer

[wild arch]

Actually nah, all the warcries seem shit tbh

[autumn snow]

think about it

[wild arch]

I did

Still seems shit

[autumn snow]

if you stack a ton of warcry nodes and nearby also stacks

you can have an insane warcry buff effect

[wild arch]

The only semi reasonable interaction is enduring spam memezerker

[vast berry]

i see cake has caught on to my idea

[autumn snow]

"(140-178)% increased Damage per one hundred nearby Enemies"

that also affects allies

[wild arch]

Increased

[autumn snow]

yeah

but when you can get 1000%+

[wild arch]

You'll never get that much

[vast berry]

ichimonji warcry zerker

is that what youre doing cake?

[autumn snow]

you definitely can if they stack

[wild arch]

How

[vast berry]

they dont stack cake

lmao

only one active rallying

[autumn snow]

no

I don't mean different warcries

[vast berry]

oh the +10?

[autumn snow]

yeah

[vast berry]

well there really arent any waycry effect items

and ichimonji is only buff effect

i dont see it

[autumn snow]

you can get 6 notables or more with 32 points

[wild arch]

So basically you want to sacrifice your entire build to give your allies a bit under 200% increased damage?

[autumn snow]

with the voice jewel + medium + small clusters

[vast berry]

yeah

so thats 60

then if they are all 15% warcry effect points

you should be in the ballpark of

400% increase warcry effect

so like

240 nearby enemies

[autumn snow]

450% with 32 nodes

[vast berry]

178*2.4

178*2.7

[autumn snow]

that would take away too many points

lemme check this

[wild arch]

Oh wow, that's almost as effective as one aura with no investment

[vast berry]

i mean literally not true

480% increased damage is a LOT

and if you just slap on those boots

[autumn snow]

900% warcry buff + 120 nearby enemies

178 * 10 * 1.2

2136% inc dmg

[vast berry]

that like

way too many

lol

[autumn snow]

• this https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Intimidating_Cry

[vast berry]

yeah i know

that what i said

[autumn snow]

240% attack speed

not sure if the 10% are effected by warcry buff

[vast berry]

yes

[autumn snow]

then it's 340%

[vast berry]

how many points in that though

[autumn snow]

64 :/

[vast berry]

well

if you go RT

[autumn snow]

no no

[vast berry]

and just stack life

[autumn snow]

this is a pure auramancer kappa

[vast berry]

does it have to be

[autumn snow]

+it stacks with a real auramancer

imagine that

still

[wild arch]

IF you actually manage to pull off getting all those jewels, then sure

[autumn snow]

I think it won't stack like this

it sounds ridiculous

that would mean you could have 4k life regen from enduring cry

[wild arch]

Sounds ridiculous

But hard to get

[autumn snow]

yeah sure

[wild arch]

Because let's be honest most people will just reroll or vendor warcry jewels

[vast berry]

well ye see

thats the genius

its CHEAP

[timid geyser]

Nah, can't reroll cluster jewels enchant

[wild arch]

Can't be cheap if nobody sells it in the first place

[timid geyser]

People will sell them

[autumn snow]

shouldn't be that bad

does the life regen from enduring cry also affects allies?

[wild arch]

Well

Good luck getting however many voices you plan on using

There's no way those will be cheap

[autumn snow]

only 2

seems to affect minions in pob

aura that makes your allies regen 4k life

[vast berry]

well im gonna use it for an actual build 😛

probably like 3?

idk

will have to figure out the umbers

[autumn snow]

no idea what ascendancy tho

maybe scion for more points?

[vast berry]

foryours?

the cooldown recovery is important from zerker

but idk

[autumn snow]

it's useless

[dusty umbra]

how much skill points you need per one voice

[autumn snow]

I need 31 nodes including the 3 nodes for the jewel

[dusty umbra]

assuming you have outer node already allocated

Let's say i have 4 outer nodes allocated ; i put 4x voices in them ; that's 12 jewel sockets total (12 nodes) + 4x small nodes that do nothing right?

[wild arch]

Cake

Warcries share a 4 second base cooldown

And most of them last less than 4 seconds

[autumn snow]

that's fine

[wild arch]

You can't justify not going zerker

[autumn snow]

the notable also gives 30% duration

I have 12*

360% duration & 900% buff

[wild arch]

Enduring lasts 0.75

[autumn snow]

no wait, I think I need more nodes

[wild arch]

The big regen will need to be timed for emergencies

[autumn snow]

ah fuck I forgot the jewel socket in the medium cluster

[dusty umbra]

anyone can find me timestamp of video where they showed a socketed voices?

[autumn snow]

I have the meme pic

https://i.redd.it/r8idtp9k2hj41.png

(it doesn't work like this)

[dusty umbra]

ye i know

[autumn snow]

I calculated and the buff effect is a bit lower than I thought

[wintry apex]

What if it would though

[autumn snow]

810% warcry buff effect

instead

:/

@wild arch can almost reach 100% uptime

[dusty umbra]

so 3x jewel sockets per 4 nodes.

4 outer nodes already taken ; 12 jewel slots for 16 points ; leaves me with around 7 points to play with so tehnically could get another outer node for 3 more ; making it 15 jewel sockets ; 7% life x 15 ; 8% aspeed x 15 ; 4% chaos multi x 15

If the notables are bad this looks like an option

but expensive as F

[vast gazelle]

still, you can easily get like 4-6 in a build and put voices in them all

[dusty umbra]

See above yah

[vast gazelle]

you cant put medium jewels in medium sockets tho

xD

[dusty umbra]

could get 5 voices in here with above info

takes TR dot dps from 634k to 862k (custom jewel accounting for 15 jewels)

[autumn snow]

309% attack speed + 2110% inc dmg

[autumn snow]

this leaves me about 60 points for defenses

and travel

[dusty umbra]

+2k life for about 30 points

sounds good here even with my 107% life on tree

[autumn snow]

why 7 * 15

[dusty umbra]

7% is what you can get on normal jewel

and 15 jewels from 5 x 3 outer voices?

[autumn snow]

yikes

5 the voice?

how are you getting that many outer jewels

you only have one in your tree

[dusty umbra]

Does this visualization help?

[autumn snow]

wut

[dusty umbra]

each voices gives you 3 jewel sockets where you put in normal jewls

[autumn snow]

this is an outer jewel

[dusty umbra]

and you just put voices in every available outer socket

[wild arch]

You're only pointing at one jewel socket

[autumn snow]

you can't put jewels in your notables

[dusty umbra]

oh not sure why i thought you could lol

[languid path]

[autumn snow]

how would that work tho

where would you socket the jewel

[dusty umbra]

Just leaves me with more points to play with i guess then

2x voices ; 4x jewels and 2x medium outer rings for notables

still decent power level

16% chaos multi ; 28% life ; 50% proj dmg ; 32% attack speed just from jewels and then some extra nodes in third socket outward

[autumn snow]

how many points do you have

[dusty umbra]

14 points if i go for unnat ; 20ish if i dont

[autumn snow]

then forget about two medium cluster

2 voice : 8 points

probably better to use one voice with three medium

or three small?

or no voice at all

you could have a nice large - medium - small

[dusty umbra]

Or we could have 1x voice with 3x jewels

[autumn snow]

sure

[dusty umbra]

and other one large -> medium -> small for notables n shit

[autumn snow]

don't think you have enough points

large is quite... large

10+ points

[dusty umbra]

non issue we can drop unna instinct maybe and some frenzy nodes until i get maloneys

so i have 20-28 nodes to play with

should be enough

[timid geyser]

Can save a point here btw

[dusty umbra]

worst case we use 2x voices and 6 normal jewels in voices sockets

all depends on how good notables n stuff we get on rare jewels

still waiting on decent rare jewel reveal

[lucid stone]

Wonder what places are worth a thread of hope

Hope voices isnt too expensive

[timid gate]

Am I only one thinking those new passives might not be worth it? You have to take some points from your current build for something you "don't know" what

[dusty umbra]

@timid geyser saved thanks

@timid gate really depends on build and what passives will be available

[timid gate]

I agree tho

[autumn snow]

@timid gate but you do know "what"

[timid gate]

well technically yes, but those have to be "better" than those in current build you follow

[autumn snow]

better or different/new

people will gladly take them if they are efficient

like life in shadow/ranger area is very welcome

[dusty umbra]

tehnically marauder/duelist can also path to 2-3 of those

[storm crown]

the voices jewel is probly gonna be quite expensive, but you need actually good jewels to put into it and quite a few of them

[dusty umbra]

expensiveness depends on rarity

[velvet palm]

And demand

[violet nymph]

Golemancers just need primordial harmony

I've got a pob with, 7k life, soul of steel (so 77/76/76), and 17 jewel sockets

Which comes out to about 4.5m dps

Not to mention the 90% phys reduction and 1k regen

I intend to play it as my second build of delirium

[formal crypt]

@dusty umbra is this CA?

[dusty umbra]

@formal crypt TR

[formal crypt]

Ah gotcha

[dusty umbra]

i plan to Frenzy - Arrow Nova - CA in maloneys tho

[formal crypt]

It's possible you could also get the ranger one instead if you went south

[dusty umbra]

If you mean near point blank - too far

[formal crypt]

If you really wanted a third cluster

Ah

[dusty umbra]

that one won't be worth it

[formal crypt]

I kinda feel like the bow wheel below phase acro isn't worth it for CA

So what I would have to do is go south for the small bow wheels

And end up closer to the ranger cluster jewel

[dusty umbra]

Top side of wheel can be forgoed tbh

bottom side of what wheel ain't bad

[violet nymph]

Does maloney frenzy actually give charges

[formal crypt]

I think you get more damage out of the chaos and bow nodes near herbalism

Maybe toxic rain likes the wheel better

[dusty umbra]

@violet nymph yes as far as i know

it's like 7 ex atm i probably have that ex if u want to buy it to test it out

@formal crypt toxic rain scales with aspeed pretty decently and other nodes have 2-3+ travel nodes which ain't great

[formal crypt]

Yeah makes sense

CA wants the dot and not much attack speed

[dusty umbra]

even with my own gear i had this league if i swapped gems and had lvl 30 CA i had around 1-2 mil dot on ca

[formal crypt]

Well I might end up closer to the ranger cluster then, but the witch mana cluster is still very close

[dusty umbra]

Wanna know how much CA dot does on 2 link in my pob? (in maloneys)

[formal crypt]

Sure

[dusty umbra]

arrow nova - frenzy - ca

(this is assuming both outer sockets are voices with 3x top tier jewels in them)

[formal crypt]

lmao what am I doing wrong

Without gear and a 6 link my pob is 330k dot dps

I guess gear really does matter

[dusty umbra]

yes since you know level 28-30ish

i can get it up to 1-2mil in good gear on a 6L

but that's pretty much limit

[formal crypt]

Why take the aura nodes?

[dusty umbra]

Skitters (35%) ; Malevo (50) ; Spider (25) ; precision

is the plan

[formal crypt]

Skitterbots that good?

[dusty umbra]

20ish more dmg

hard to beat

[formal crypt]

Thought they were nerfed

[patent canyon]

20 > 15

still good

[compact junco]

15->~8 with wither and spider/skitters together

[dusty umbra]

o/ death, but ya i know inc dmg does way less for chaos due to so many sources (wither/spider/my bottled faith/despair)

[compact junco]

i mean its not like there are many other damage auras you can use anyway :d so its better than nothing

even though I would probs replace skitters with discipline

on trick

[dusty umbra]

!pob https://pastebin.com/AjpiL3WN

[patent canyon]

maybe just gem swap depending what you do

[dusty umbra]

oh bot not in this channel ; anyway this is what im looking at right now (1x voices with 3 jewels and 1x outer jewel with nodes if new nodes look good)

[patent canyon]

both are fine

[dusty umbra]

5.4k hp ; 500ish ES ; bunch of dodge

117% life on tree btw 😄

[timid geyser]

sometimes bot works here other times not so much. :/

tbh I don't think the bot is working at all atm.

[dusty umbra]

I hope there's some Skill Effect duration on new wheels/notables - passives tbh

[patent canyon]

i am confident there will be 1 for each type of mod

[timid geyser]

I mean idk for balance reason I could see some things like that getting left out.

[dusty umbra]

yeah imagine it on large 12 wheel

9x 7-10% inc duration
3x 25%

(on a jewel that increases effect by 25%)

206 inc skill effect duration

something like that would literally double TR's dps

[patent canyon]

maybe those more powerful nodes only on small jewels

like 3 noder

or maybe 🤔

like chase jewels with nutty mods

[autumn snow]

didn't think about the 25%

[patent canyon]

league still has to offer more powercreep to make it more appealing anyway, its not like they will go by with random new keystones and maybe 1 or 2 jewels with set in stone mods everyone uses and vendors the rest

[autumn snow]

we'll see

I think it has huge potential

[dusty umbra]

Yah, we also are yet to see good rare rolled one

[patent canyon]

either way i will enjoy this league since its finally not in the middle of uni exams and i can finally knock sirus kill off the list

[static ingot]

So how many extensions can we do from one distant jewel socket on the tree?

[vast berry]

what do you mean by extensions

how many jewels in one chain?

[static ingot]

well that's one way to put it, yes

[vast berry]

uh

well the triple socket one into 3 mediums

i dont know if mediums can have 2 smalls?

[static ingot]

I see, so they can only support in a downscaling fashion

[vast berry]

ye

[static ingot]

large support medium, medium small (not confirmed)

understood, thanks

[vast berry]

well medium CAN do small

i jsut dont know if it can have 2

[wild arch]

You can also put small into large if you feel like it

[vast berry]

^

[static ingot]

yup yup, downscaling

is there an already revealed jewels list out yet?

[vast berry]

probably in the generic reddit post

[wild arch]

There's a reddit post that collects all known reveals

[static ingot]

think i found it, 3.10] Delirium League Info Megathread

Trying to make a build for this league, too many uncertainties with these new jewels

Thanks for the info fellaz

[vast berry]

we might get a full list on patch notes

but i kind of doubt it

seems like a thing they might just let us explore

maybe poedb will have it

oh viper

[silver kettle]

Bex already mentioned she's going to post a full list. Idk exactly when but sometime next week

[vast berry]

the god answers

[silver kettle]

Y'all need to follow gggtracker more carefully 😛

[static ingot]

I mean i'd love to but it feels overwhelming ;D

[vast berry]

im a game news scrub

[static ingot]

tried to make siege ballista a viable thing in metamorph, had around 8m sdps with proper defences built

wanna try and make a chieftain version this league but alas can't find any good fitting uniques

sure hope this league will bring something

[vast berry]

ah i finally found the post saying a list will be shared

was a while back!

where could I ask ggg about cry wolf +10 stacking being a thing

[timid geyser]

Right here with viper 🙂

[vast berry]

apparentky

[silver kettle]

I don't think that info has been posted publicly so you just need to ask Bex next time a jewel post gets made

[vast berry]

are those in GGG tracker? i always miss them

[silver kettle]

They should be posted in #old-game-news

[timid geyser]

Kinda off topic, but has anyone talked about taking over your skele guide for 3.10 viper?

[vast berry]

oh wait you mean ask in any reddit post over a jewel?

[silver kettle]

One person did give it a go but they didn't do a good job. I stopped paying attention a while ago though

[vast berry]

i thought you meant like a jewel ga

[silver kettle]

Yeah @vast berry

[vast berry]

qa

neat

ill try

[dusty umbra]

yeah that post was so so

[silver kettle]

Hey look there's one @vast berry

[vast berry]

[wild arch]

Oh boy

[vast berry]

that notable seems insane though

[wild arch]

More poison nodes pls

[vast berry]

its just a really damn nice QOL for poison builds

help their clear

[wild arch]

Am I understanding this right

Pathfinder's poison prolif will gain the 300% inc damage every time it spreads to a fresh target?

[vast berry]

depends if that is consirderd "you inflict"

[dusty umbra]

5% chaos dmg multi is great even forgetting the notable

[vast berry]

but i would think yes

also yeah

5% dot multi is really good

and with non-zero amounts of resists too

save you a suffix or 2

[dusty umbra]

i guess you could go the full dmg ring and just have resists on boots only

[vast berry]

am i supposed to do some kind of mention for the question

i actually dont post on reddit often

[timid geyser]

Just ask in the thread, and hope you get upvotes/noticed by bex.

[vast berry]

k i posted early so lets hope

tbf i was gona do it without the stacking even being an idea

i might need to change my reddit to match all my accounts

still my old name

also lets go away with that meme

[wild arch]

Wait what

It was confirmed pretty much at the start that the same notable stacks

[vast berry]

yeah

its a question of that specific mod

[wild arch]

I don't see why +10 enemies for warcries wouldn't stack

[lucid stone]

Ooh. Nice poison.

[wild arch]

10+10=20

[lucid stone]

Single-stack poison viable now?

[wild arch]

Scourge arrow pathfinder

[vast berry]

i am assuming it will work

just want confirmation

since i want to start it, i would like to know

[lucid stone]

I'm thinking like, high base damage hollow palm poison

With a ton of nodes like this

And pathfinder poison prolif

[deft girder]

The chaos multi is an implicit? Which mean people are going to trade base jewels? (Or rare if rolls are good)

[vast berry]

yeah bases are going to the things that are traded

people paying top dollar for % life, or those chaos multi

then chaos spamming themselves

similar to helm enchants

[storm crown]

have we seen % life tho?

[deft girder]

Well that sound easier than sythesis from what I heard about it.

[vast berry]

yeah

to both

synth was completely different

this is just regular crafting

[deft girder]

I hear people really did not like how crafting works in synth.

[vast berry]

it was

a weird one

[storm crown]

jewels will like regals so thats nice

[patent canyon]

its not the crafting that was bad in synth

[deft girder]

Its nice that this league crafting is straight foward but has alot of combination.

[patent canyon]

its the obtaining needed shit that was complete pain in the ass

[vast berry]

oh ok

i was gona counterpoint

[deft girder]

Well I mean next league since we are still in metamorph.

5% chaos multi is really good though. Even as a normal item. Hope the price isn't too funky.

[storm crown]

with that base and geting a 25% increse modifier on the jewel will be nice

[deft girder]

It really nice on berserker.

Also blessed orb are kinda common if implicts are going to have range of values.

[storm crown]

think it was mentioned blessed orb has no effect on the jewels

[vast berry]

i doubt they will be a range anyway

[lucid stone]

I think the enchants on the jewels are unchangable

You gotta find them as drops

[vast berry]

gonna be a lot of base trading

which is fun

[lucid stone]

Wonder if fractured fossils/beastcrafting is gonna be big

[patent canyon]

wait, can you fracture jewels 🤔

[vast berry]

and honestly

[patent canyon]

socket amount would remain same but what would you lose

[vast berry]

after finally seeing a proper rare jewel

i think these are going to be 100% worth on most builds

thos small passives were really god

[lucid stone]

Oh would you look at that

Now everyone is gonna change their tune and jewels are gonna be stupid expensive

[vast berry]

ye

warcry one will still be cheap though!

[deft girder]

@lucid stone I mean values like 4-6% increased life. Not rerolling whats on the jewel.

[lucid stone]

Good luck copying a build anymore

[vast berry]

gonna be the one doing warcry zerker before mathil amkes it expensive!

[lucid stone]

But I love these jewels

I'm gonna either do single hit poison or some mine one

Or anything

[deft girder]

Hopefully we see some good warcry jewel for abyssal cry.

[lucid stone]

Hope that none of them cost more than like 5ex

[vast berry]

unique ones may

but i doubt a base will

fully crafted also may

[storm crown]

a 12 node, %life, max life and multiplier will probly be quite costly 😛

[deft girder]

Mine jewels with detonation on thrown but no detonation bonus. Small passive has increased throwing speed.

One can dream a meme build with 30 mine per sec.

[vast berry]

i dont think we can have multiple implicits

[storm crown]

we have seen 4 effects on the jewels

[vast berry]

shit i meant

multiple implicits

[storm crown]

only 1

but effects of the jewel can add such effects

[vast berry]

i dont think so

like the mod is flat life, while implicitis %

the chaos multi is an implicit, so i doubt you can get anything like that as an affic

meaning you cant have % life and chaos multi on same jewel

[storm crown]

jewel can be rolled with small nod multiplier

[minor jungle]

oh my god spellslinger sounds amazing.

must be a way to break something here...

[hoary snow]

I'm just imagining spellslinger with power siphon and discharge being amusing

it's probably not feasible but it'd look funny

[wild arch]

RIP poet's pen

[bright perch]

well, spellslinger needs reservation and a support gem slot

[storm crown]

its 15% reservation

[stone hedge]

I'm assuming 15% per skill reserved?

[storm crown]

yea

[wild arch]

Didn't it say 12%?

[minor jungle]

it says 15% on the page.

[hasty perch]

Yeah wtf spellslinger sounds insane

So many possibilities

[storm crown]

Spellslinger sets the reservation cost of linked spells to 15% of your maximum mana, with support gem mana multipliers have a direct impact on this reservation cost.

[minor jungle]

but you need to use wands and wand attack to trigger, not sure what like, combos there are

[hasty perch]

Low life wander is back

Reserve auras on life with the bloodmagic reservation shield

And reserve a spell linked on mana

Get low life spell multi

[minor jungle]

how many wand attack skills are there? not much right?

[lucid stone]

I wonder if throwing a mine with a wand attack counts.

Likely not.

This sorta makes spell bleed a thing.

[wild arch]

Isn't the low life spell keystone a more multiplier which won't apply to attacks?

[lucid stone]

Or at least a bleed that scales with spell damage. Indigon gon be fun this league.

[formal crypt]

Just shoot your wand with the basic attack

[storm crown]

there is a large cluster gem that affects curses

[hasty perch]

they better buff crown of eyes

[storm crown]

big curse cluster frmo the trailer

[hasty perch]

rn it's a dead item with wandslinger

oh they buffed it mb

[wild arch]

They said in the teaser it's buffed and meant for other weapon types

[hasty perch]

ayo spellslinger lightning wards looks fabulous

warp*

and yes low life keystone doesn't apply to attacks

but it applies to spellslinger spells

on a side note the part about applying wand damage to the spell

looks pretty damn good for inquisitor or elementalist

a tri ele wand

added as base damage to the spell

seems super good

[wanton rivet]

so spellslinger pretty much turns any spell into a cast on attack with wands?

[storm crown]

with an internal cooldown based on rank

[minor jungle]

I hope it goes down to at least 0.250

[wanton rivet]

that'd be sweet

[slender temple]

Dual six link then wand attack one link whatever ?

Are there two handed wands?

Cwdt wand attack haha..

I can't wait to see if we can automate this shit

[storm crown]

a 6 link spell will reserve quite alot of mana

[minor jungle]

would having two wands both grant base damage boost to spell?

[hasty perch]

yeah if you 6L you're pretty much using most of your mana

you can work around it tho

[formal crypt]

4L 4L

Actually 3

[wide dirge]

does shaper/elder helms with 'socketed gems supported by ###' mods have mana multiplier?

if not maybe that could be useful for spellslinger?

[midnight phoenix]

Yes

[sharp iron]

Crown of the Inward Eye is significantly better now as with the changes to the Spellslinger notable, you can now harness both the damage bonuses to spells and attacks that the unique offers.

[vast berry]

man