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[sour mountain]

but really, i just like their model

(also the self-buff will probably end up giving you a reasonable amount of mitigation)

[violet nymph]

chaos golems might be the only skill in the game that has an actual use for withering touch 🤔

[sour mountain]

25% increased Effect of Buffs granted by your Golems per Summoned Golem

x2

[violet nymph]

that's why i have 90% phys reduction 🙂

i.e. can't die

also molten shell 🙂

[sour mountain]

oh you have a chaos golem in the linkset?

just for the buff?

[violet nymph]

you ALWAYS put chaos and stone in for the buff

also

[sour mountain]

yeah

that's why you use clayshaper

[violet nymph]

and no, clayshaper stone golem is bad

[sour mountain]

yeah but it's increased damage

if you have 13 primordial harmonies... as far as total damage goes that's trivial

wait sorry which one am i looking at

i thought we were looking at the ele asc trait

[violet nymph]

that's primordial harmony

i use 4 different golem types

so that's 80% increased damage per jewel

[sour mountain]

ice/clay/chaos/air?

[violet nymph]

that's why golemancers only get jewels

ice/stone/chaos/lightning

[sour mountain]

what's your total golem count? 9?

[violet nymph]

yes

6/1/1/1

[sour mountain]

clay golem from clayshaper is just a very efficient linkset

[violet nymph]

put this in a +2 minion helmet and they never have to be recast in your life

[sour mountain]

i'd also wonder about flame golem v ice golem

since flame is pure flame

[violet nymph]

they don't have damage

only clear

this is its most damaging skill

[sharp wind]

would also need to replace brutality with something else.

[sour mountain]

you could apply ignite yourself and use ele focus

and... is it immolate? or combustion

i can never remember

[violet nymph]

point is that flame golem isn't going to suddenly multiply its damage by 7 with changes like that

[sharp wind]

rip flame golem

[sour mountain]

fortress covenant's negative is negated by being socketed in a delirium jewel chain

[violet nymph]

huh

i guess you're right

[sharp wind]

unless 3xG makes it that the range gos from the base of the jewel chain

[sour mountain]

i think the Unarmed new unique jewel is gonna be pretty poggers

are there three separate covenant jewels with negative AOEs on the tree? could be juicy 🤔

but, if they make it so the range goes from the base jewel... you can do some REALLY silly stuff

oh and you've forgotten the most important benefit of Voices
it'll make Ahn's builds very easy 😄

[wild arch]

I can finally do the melee occultist that I always wanted to do without completely gimping the tree

[storm crown]

Do we know what happends If we find cluster jewels that unlock The same passive and they get socketed into The tree? Can we double up

[silver kettle]

You can stack multiple of the same node, yes

[storm crown]

Cool

[coral garden]

Hold up

Theres one that gives 20% less dmg taken

U mean we can be invulnerable?

[storm crown]

While we are at cluster, area jewels is The area just disabled when socketed in The clusters?

[silver kettle]

@coral garden if you're looking at the nature's patience node, that's a keystone. Keystones don't stack, they're always boolean

But you can stack the notables

@storm crown passives created by cluster jewels will never count as being in the radius of another jewel if that's what you're asking?

[storm crown]

So radie works in there? Im thinking of The minion jewels that makes noticable drawback

@silver kettle

[vital idol]

The vine keystone coud be neat for divine ire

But than you don't stand still long

[bitter ledge]

Also, I've heard nobody talk about this yet (or maybe I missed it somewhere).

Is this a map that's augmented with 5x Jewelry delirium?

[supple falcon]

Looks like it

[bitter ledge]

Also, this looks like Glacier. Glacier farming league confirmed? 😅

[sharp wind]

I think the loots going to depend on map teir

[bitter ledge]

Here's hoping that the Delirium orbs won't be exalt-rarity.

[sharp wind]

I doubt it

[storm crown]

Wonder If you Will be able to see anything of you do delirium meta 🤔🤔

[bitter ledge]

I think that they're just gonna be similar to the incubators.

Although, getting something like "6-linked body armor" delirium orb will be too insane. I think that if those exist, they would be 2ex at least.

[violet nymph]

eh

you'll get tabula, sharkskin tunic, and foxshade

etc

(anything to make 6l foxshade less valuable 😉)

[storm crown]

The delirium orbs If they are rare they Will be sold instead used..

[sharp wind]

I'll get a 6 link that was god tier last league and total trash that league.

[vital idol]

League of explody stacking

[bitter ledge]

Even the worst 6-links can be sold for a divine orb.

[lilac mirage]

Anyone else think this league looks awesome in every way but makes visual clutter even worse?

Like, has anyone played a Cospris, selfcast Stormcall with big inc.AoE or CoC build before? You can't see anything at all with those anyway, and now we got a huge wall of fog? I get the thematic approach but this sounds like 100 complain-posts on reddit waiting to happen after Metamorph had the same issue. Except there it was only the bosses, not the entire map

Now add partyplay and getting one shot because of some small projectile or attack by some rare mob with lots of attack-improving-mods is the most likely cause of death

[vital idol]

The explody balls do glow

I think bosses might be scary, but generic maps might be fine

[lilac mirage]

Was more referring to Black on black on black in general for metamorph. GGG don't want us to play the minimap, yet the only way to track the metamorph reliably was to look at your map and track the icon tbh

Visual clarity has been an issue for 3 expansions now, yet here we are in fog-all-over-the-place-league with 0 improvements to that beyond CoC having a cooldown

Play in a 6man with 1-2 people having flashy builds and try to dodge anything, not possible. Just a simple checkbox for "see party particles" would help a ton

[sharp wind]

but then what's the point of the fire cracker build?

[vital idol]

I feel like visual clarity is just a arpg issue, Soo many have problems just Poe has much more dangerous mobs and is faster paced so it turns into kill it before it kills you

Post death effects do really need a rework though

Caustic ground after meta dies

Was annoying

[lilac mirage]

But there are ways to improve it. MMOs with very flashy effects have shown that, see FFXIV. Adding a huge amount of fog to the ground while things like Breach can go on and you play a Cospri build will result in not being able to see anything

I do agree that it's an issue in Poe because of the Time to Kill you and enemies alike

[vital idol]

I recently replayed grim dawn and noticed how end game it turned into not being able to see and just fighting like a bunch of super tanky mobs hoping I don't die

Made me think of poe

I am interested in the baren tile channel skill

[barren crescent]

I dislike it, I find reusing boss skills as player skills cheap (this happens all around the game)

especially when games reuse early game boss model as normal fodder enemy later

luckily poe doesn't do this as much as other games usually

[steep plover]

i'm worried about the power creep of the jewels

If I understand correctly, each outer tree jewel socket can lead to the unique large jewel with 3 sockets, which can then lead to 3 more medium jewels (2 notables, 3-4 passives), which can each lead to another small jewel (1 notable, 2 passives).

so 1 outer tree jewel socket = 9 notables, 15-17 passives? That seems very overpowered....

It would cost a lot to do it, but those with the budget will have the option

[faint basalt]

can we talk about this thing comming next league?

[sharp wind]

badly cropped images?

[violet nymph]

that "recently summoned minions can't be damaged" notable is going to make skele builds fucking nut

[sour mountain]

pretty juicy for infernal legion

[distant egret]

I think @faint basalt is talking about how the lines aren't aligned

I noticed it too

[faint basalt]

yes

[haughty harbor]

Do they have to be aligned?

[red wharf]

website says 280 new passives are notables, do you think it's for real, or just miswording?

i thought there would be like 5-10 keystones, 10-20 notables and rest would be small passives you use to travel around tree

[faint island]

New fog = New gpu/visual problems ?

[sharp wind]

nope Chris has already spoken about it

It's tech from PoE2

[barren crescent]

but to get those new nodes, you are still spending skill points to get them

[versed haven]

I dont see why they would lie about 280 notables

[royal gale]

GGG is liar

[faint basalt]

Do they have to be aligned?
@haughty harbor yes, they need to be aligned, imagin people with OCD seeing this

but to get those new nodes, you are still spending skill points to get them
@barren crescent would be so op if you didnt need skill points

[haughty harbor]

That's fine, will be fun to watch people complain

[red wharf]

if anyone works on game engines like u4, he/she would know fogs are generally low cost performance

its funny to see people thinking anything that looks super fancy, is cost expensive, in game engines, its usually other way, the stuff you dont see directly, are most expensive 🙂

[barren crescent]

@faint basalt average poe player sadly doesn't think outside of the box, they go by what mr. streamer says them to do

[versed haven]

Well thats because its easy to brick a build

when you dont ahve all the game knowledge

[sharp wind]

grrrrrr Kroo is anti mathil get him boys

[barren crescent]

I have nothing agaisn't following a build guide

[sharp wind]

I always follow build guides

and mess them up

[barren crescent]

just sad to see when ppl with 1k hours just build a fucking wall to think about their build

I'm by no means saying new player should freeball all of their characters

[dusky urchin]

Ive modified most builds to fit my budget - usually I need more survivability because I dont have ultra high end life rolls like in the build guide

Delirium will be my 3rd league

[frigid holly]

Regarding the new physical damage wand spell (Kinetic something-or-other) - how does one go about scaling physical spell damage? At least the witch ascendencies don';t seem to offer much, and apart from pure spell damage does the passive tree have much? Do you think this is going to be on of those spells that scales mainly through gem level?

[final plume]

impale

actually impale might work if spells count as hits, idk about that tho

[patent canyon]

kinetic bolt is an attack

its just that spell damage will somehow effects into its damage scaling

[river narwhal]

"actually impale might work if spells count as hits, idk about that tho"
uwot

yes spells can hit

[final plume]

oh it's an attack damn

yeah sry I just spaced out

[river narwhal]

chance to impale also only exists as "impale with attacks"

at least as far as i am aware

[red wharf]

so assassin + 2x void batteries + impale passives/gloves and go ham?

also, wouldnt that new wand skill be bad on single target, since it relies on bouncing?

[patent canyon]

power siphon for single target

also doubt scaling spell damage will be the way to go

[eager charm]

Also from the video, it didn’t seem horrible

For ST

[patent canyon]

either way its cool to see new wand stuff, i am down to play wander since i havent done one for ages

[wild arch]

If it was a spell, snakepit would have been hilarious

[torpid sonnet]

Void batteries will almost certainly not be the way to go since its an attack

[sharp iron]

I don't know if the developers have said this yet, but I think that the idea for Delirium started with them wondering what it would be like from the Conquers' perspectives and to go insane in the Atlas.

[sharp wind]

Nope.
They just know we all bat shit nuts

[sharp iron]

I really hope there is new stuff made for the Innsbury Edge

[fallen tulip]

wondering if the new wand skill can be good for CoC

[river narwhal]

probably still barrage

[dusky urchin]

is the new tree out to mess with yet

or will it not be til day 1

[fading cedar]

when patch notes hit i suppose

[barren crescent]

depends how quickly tooldevs figure out how to implement

could be within a day of JSON file getting out or 2 months later

[dusky urchin]

👍

[vital idol]

Can't wait to see the datamine list of passives and mods rolls of new jewels

[glad narwhal]

Has anyone found a good interaction with hollow palm yet?

[warm steppe]

seems like general dex stacking so far is best

[wide dirge]

my favourite response from GGG from this league reveal

[wild arch]

@dusky cobalt fast aoe clear

@glad narwhal since you count as dual wielding, gladiator sounds like the perfect synergy for it

[glad narwhal]

I was thinking raider actually, but I'm not sure about the damage potential

As for attacks, probably ice crash or some other sort of aoe slam?

[tropic frost]

Lmao

Cyclone

[wild arch]

The damage is definitely there, your main problem will be defense

[glad narwhal]

I don't like cyclone

[tropic frost]

Just stating the obvious

[glad narwhal]

or correction: I've played way too much cyclone

[tropic frost]

Apart from opinion its the objectively best melee skill

[wild arch]

You need a way to compensate for the lack of gloves, sockets and possibly a shield

[tropic frost]

Id imagine that its gonna be close to a pure bossing playstyle

Dont need to many links for that

[glad narwhal]

maybe berserker

[wild arch]

Depends on your setup

Berserker sounds bad

You have more than enough damage

You need to survive to do it

[glad narwhal]

I'll just one shot the server

[tropic frost]

Valid strat tbh

[wild arch]

And then get oneshot by a weta

Been there done that

[dusky cobalt]

I think raider frost blades would be god tier

[wild arch]

Can't fb unarmed

[dusky cobalt]

with full frenzy charges

[glad narwhal]

Speaking of wetas, I went to new zealand and didn't see one

I even went to a zoo where they keep wetas and still didn't see one

Nor did I see a kiwi

[wild arch]

They're all stuffed in hideouts

[glad narwhal]

I've been lied to

[wild arch]

Back to hollow palm

Gladiator and juggernaut are probably the safest options

Assassin probably next

Raider would need to convert the damage to fully justify picking the defensive nodes

[brisk sandal]

is ascendant a good option with the extra passive points?

[wild arch]

Unless you got some god jewels most likely no

Then again we still don't know if she's finally getting a rework

[patent canyon]

all those new jewels are more or less same distance to other ascendencies

i bet scion will be worthless all the way to poe 2

[wild arch]

Well

[glad narwhal]

poe 2 scion still might be bad

who knows

[wild arch]

She might be capable of some cheeky split personality shenanigans

[glad narwhal]

the new scion ascendency should just use the wolcen tree

[wild arch]

Lulcen

[patent canyon]

actually she is worse for that

she is closest to every corner

[wild arch]

Yes

But

How often do you go down to Duelist's side on a witch

[patent canyon]

you dont

[wild arch]

Scion can do a conversion build

Go down to Duelist's bit for your build stuff, and grab witches' starting point

Tree up some comfortable elemental nodes

And extend a split personality branch

Sure, it's only half the wheel, but unlike every other character you didn't waste shitloads of points pathing through useless garbage

[patent canyon]

also it depends if it actually counts from scion point or witch point

[native sonnet]

scion

"ur class starting point"

[wild arch]

^

On a side note, split personality sounds perfect for an aegis aurora gladiator

Since you want to path all the way up to CI

Fuck

I think I want to start with that

[wet plaza]

half tree of just travelling

sounds lovely

[wild arch]

You can still take some stuff along the way depending on what you're doing with your damage

[vital idol]

Just do zdps

The only ethical way to play Poe

[wild arch]

I just clicked for the automatic closest path from duelist to CI

The path is full of elemental and projectile damage

And 2 sockets for the new jewels

[vital idol]

Inb4 1 of the new notables is a weaker version of ci

[wild arch]

Honestly at first glance this looks like the perfect start for a wand gladiator with the new skill

[jovial drum]

think it's possible to do a wand starter?

[wild arch]

Probably not

[jovial drum]

just bored of doing the typical summoner/vortex/EDCONT starters

[wild arch]

Flat elemental piscator is like the only semi decent wand starter

Then again the new wand skill might change everything

Since it has an extra way of scaling it compared to the other skills

[jovial drum]

might be a good second build

pending new details, probably doing cobra lash starter

[unkempt notch]

Wand starter is fine imo. You'll struggle with bosses sure but you'll be able to rip through lower level maps very quickly. Just gotta know your builds strength and weaknesses

[wild arch]

Is it safe to assume that the new wand skill will literally just have a 'increases and reductions to spell damage apply to this attack' kind of line?

[unkempt notch]

Not sure

[wild arch]

If that's all it is then I'm looking forward to this

[stuck scarab]

Would be nice if things like spell crit and what not affected it.

[wild arch]

Come on that would be too much

I really can't see them doing anything more than adding the crown of eyes passive to it

[glad narwhal]

I'm just curious if pain attunement affects it

[unkempt notch]

At the same time just adding crown of eyes passive is kinda lame

[barren crescent]

its lame, but it would make starting with it a lot easier

as top side of the tree at least

[wild arch]

It may be lame, but the fact that you can have an actual helmet with it is nuts

[unkempt notch]

Seems like deadeye would be the best choice for the new wand skill though

Because of the projectiles forking and such

[wild arch]

Idk about starter but I'm definitely making an aurora wandiator at some point

[glad narwhal]

I don't know if I'll have enough motivation to do a kinetic bolt build if I can't go low life

[vital idol]

I have no idea what build I'd go for next league

For a starter

[barren crescent]

Flicker

[vital idol]

Lol, savior flicker league starter /s

I was thinking if you can make the double banner work chest with champion cyclone

[wild arch]

It's gonna work with any impale attack champion

[unkempt notch]

The chest is very strong but idk if I can get on board with placing banners down

[vital idol]

I meant more is it worth it over just going a rare chest

Propay end up explody crit chest anyway

As is the current rare chest setup

[unkempt notch]

If there was a place banner hotkey like detonate mines that would place a banner but just reset your banner stack count instead of having to reactivate it again that would be better

[vital idol]

Since I'm sure there shiney mobs will end up with DD

Soo explody sti the way to go

[hushed sequoia]

anyone know how metamorph will be implemented as core? 10% or something else?

[native sonnet]

core - yes, how - to be announced

[vital idol]

Unfortunately I think this is how, I'd prefer the idea with parts just dropping from bosses

Than just use tanes lab

[storm crown]

If metamorph is rare catalysts Will be very rare

[hushed sequoia]

i think wouldnt be bad for tane to be a Master, it would work out to be pretty much like Einhar

[slender temple]

Cassia should be a master

[quaint umbra]

[storm crown]

Cassia doesnt like piety, she does call her a Who re afterall

[vale river]

Does sextant vendor recipes possibly include the orbs that uncomplete maps?

[kind remnant]

have delirious blighted maps been confirmed to exist or not anywhere?

[bright perch]

you can use delirium orbs on all maps. You can use most map modifying currency on blighted maps. But there are exceptions. Like Vaal orbs, cannot vaal blighted maps.

So it could be yes, it could be no :)

don't think it has been confirmed or denied yet

[trim agate]

delirious blighted maps seems like a bad idea since the smoke will dissipate rather quickly before mobs even show up.

unless they've changed it for that map specifically

(assuming the mist dissipates if you don't move)

[storm crown]

A map thats delirium Will be perma delirium

[trim agate]

ahh

makes more sense then

[storm crown]

Kinda like shaper and elder maps are

[trim agate]

this is confirmed somewhere?

[storm crown]

Ziggys video i think it was mentioned

[trim agate]

gotcha

[storm crown]

Also seem to be diffrent amount of delirium in a map

Seen it say 40% delirium

[trim agate]

yeah, looks like you're right.

i think each one you put on a map brings it up by 20%

that would make sense

[kind berry]

So can kinetic bolt working as a league start?

[native sonnet]

can? sure

[violet nymph]

i think so, it will probably be good with gmp

[kind berry]

I wonder how the bossing will be though

[violet nymph]

probably trash

its a chain based skill

[trim agate]

Stormbind sounds really interesting

[bright perch]

kinetic bolt will probably be kinda bad as a league starter. But I'm sure you can make it work somewhat

[trim agate]

kinetic bolt will probably be sick as a league starter

can say that with an equal amount of conviction

[violet nymph]

my only worry is that it will have a problem when you hit maps and start having to boss

[trim agate]

really depends on how the skill interacts with supports

might need a different single target skill though, which would suck

[violet nymph]

later in the leauge it will be fine but before you get good gear it may be a problem

[trim agate]

could be a cool low life attack build though

[kind berry]

Guess it’s toxic rain or skeles for me

[trim agate]

for later in the league

i only play leagues to try new skills

would burn out in 10 seconds if I wasn't using new or revamped skills

[kind berry]

Yeah. I have no clue how to build it though lol

[trim agate]

gotta wait until numbers come out 🙂

[kind berry]

If you could use impale it would work

Cause need to boost the single target in some way

[trim agate]

could shotgun for all we know

so no sense in writing it off before any info comes out

[glad narwhal]

hollow palm -> jesus -> smite

[barren crescent]

@slender temple what makes you say Cassia is not a Master (of the universe)

[quaint umbra]

DIVINEEEEE POWERRRRRRRRRRRR

[glad narwhal]

mfw just realized that hollow palm technique is literally karate

[trim agate]

Think it will actually be good?

seems like a lot of life/resists to make up missing 3 pieces of gear

• gem sockets

[bright perch]

life/resists will only be the gloves, if we compare it to DW

the base damage is MASSIVE

[wild arch]

Poison kinetic bolt

[bright perch]

gem sockets hurt

[trim agate]

yeah i guess, gem sockets are the bigger thing

[bright perch]

I'm sure you can make it work somewhat. Might not be the greatest build ever, might be totally imbalanced. Not sure.

[trim agate]

i guess you could make it work with like... aspects and maybe a hungry loop

[wild arch]

You go for a tanky ascendancy to offset the gear loss

[viscid frost]

i would wait n see if/what changes to cyclone with 3.10

since most likely ppl will use it w/ that skill

[worldly scaffold]

!pob https://pastebin.com/p5kH92QU

[rigid lake]

Cyclone - Berserker (Lvl: 100) by: Pauly

Defenses

Life: 5,648 (194%) | Reg: 305/s (5.4%) | Leech 1,130/s (20.0%)
Net Regen: 88/s
Mana: 16/688 (0%) | Reg: 12/s (1.7%) | Leech 138/s (20.0%)
Resistances: :snowflake: 76(+12)

Secondary Defense

Secondary: Armour: 32,721
Attributes: Str: 129 Int: 62 Dex: 1025
Keystones: Iron Reflexes

DPS

Total DPS: 15,821,050@ 25.81/s
Impale DPS: 7,561,131
Crit: Chance 55.75% | Multiplier: 355%

Skill

Cyclone (20/20%) + Brutality (20/20%) + Impale (20/20%) + Awakened Melee Physical Damage (5/20%) + Fortify (20/20%) + Infused Channelling (20/20%)

Configuration

Player: Leeching, Blitz Charges, Rage: 50
Enemy: Boss: Shaper, Impales: 5, Consecrated Ground, Intimidated
Playerailment: Consecrated Ground
Playerskill: Infused Channeling

Info:

Pastebin | Web Tree | Web PoB | Web Viewer
Created in Path of Building.

[worldly scaffold]

@timid geyser tbh

unencumbered seems gut

[wintry sigil]

so... blade blast gonna be any good?

[wild arch]

We'll have to see the numbers first

[wintry sigil]

i wonder how many blades each blade spell leaves behind

[bright perch]

and how the mechanics actually work. If blast does damage for each blade, can overlap, that sort of thing

[lucid stone]

bladefall works with spelll casvade right

[wild arch]

Yup

[bright perch]

maybe it blows up all blades for constant damage and doesn't overlap, so more blades only increase aoe

[lucid stone]

aw

[bright perch]

maybe. Didn't analyse the footage enough yet.

[wild arch]

Who cares about blade blast anyway, we got an infinite supply of animated weapons now

[red wharf]

hey, I need some clarification. I think i saw Bex saying notables in jewel clusters can be stacked, but is it really a case, or are there some limitations?

[tawny pasture]

we dont have the info yet

[unkempt notch]

They can, no different from timeless jewels where you can stack em

Obviously keystone's won't stack

[wild arch]

Uhhhhhhhhhh

Guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyGOBnIO6oc

[patent canyon]

yes, animate weapon is a thing now

[wild arch]

Not that

Look at the second example in this video

[tawny pasture]

remember the good old Ziz animate build

[wild arch]

The bladefall is casting itself automatically

With a cooldown

[red wharf]

but some notables are busted for stacking, so its hard for me to believe, like notable where you get 1%+ crit base and 25% multi for bombers, or +2% fire max res @unkempt notch

[wild arch]

Wait no it's third clip

[patent canyon]

ohh right

mirrage spell caster 😮

cd looks massive tho

[lucid stone]

Mirage spell caster?

Definitely gonna use it with desecrate for corpse skills

[wild arch]

The skill bar has greyed out bladefall and ethereal knives that cast automatically after cooldown

There are no support gem letters on the skills

[patent canyon]

unique item then? 🤔

[bright perch]

cast on skill weapons?

[unkempt notch]

There was never a limitation for stacking similar or same named notables in the game. The only limitation blight has showed us you cannot allocate the same node in the same spot twice.

[wild arch]

I forgot those exist

[patent canyon]

i dont think cast on skill shows cd in the bar

[bright perch]

that could be a ui change

[patent canyon]

imma go to std where i have one to see if it does show on bar

yes it does

ok boys its cast on skill not mirrage spell caster

[wild arch]

[sharp iron]

I'm sure others have done this before me. But doing the math, Hollow Palm Technique is +17 physical damage per 10 dexteity. Or about +1.7 physical damage per 1 dexterity.

With this, it actually wouldn't be too hard to catch the same flat damage as well crafted rare weapons, as there aren't too many one-handed weapons on poe trade with 300 or more average flat damage. However those weapons will have a lot better damage multipliers, critical stats, attack speed, more defensive stats, more gem level mods, and potential utility on the gloves.

So overall, I think with enough dex stacking you can deal the same damage as what weapons can do, and lacking gloves will make you more fragile. People have gotten 1000 Strength, but I don't think 1000 Dexterity is realistic with no weapons or gloves. With 800 Dexterity you have 1360 flat damage before any multipliers, which I think is enough that you have a chance at endgame bosses. We'll have to see how expensive One with Nothing is to determine how budget-viable this is.

[worldly scaffold]

@sharp iron 1000 dexterity isnt really much

I mean, that's how much youll get without inc attribute stuff

ik its 'level 100 theorycrafting lul' but:

!pob https://pastebin.com/p5kH92QU

[rigid lake]

Cyclone - Berserker (Lvl: 100) by: Pauly

Defenses

Life: 5,648 (194%) | Reg: 305/s (5.4%) | Leech 1,130/s (20.0%)
Net Regen: 88/s
Mana: 16/688 (0%) | Reg: 12/s (1.7%) | Leech 138/s (20.0%)
Resistances: :snowflake: 76(+12)

Secondary Defense

Secondary: Armour: 32,721
Attributes: Str: 129 Int: 62 Dex: 1025
Keystones: Iron Reflexes

DPS

Total DPS: 15,821,050@ 25.81/s
Impale DPS: 7,561,131
Crit: Chance 55.75% | Multiplier: 355%

Skill

Cyclone (20/20%) + Brutality (20/20%) + Impale (20/20%) + Awakened Melee Physical Damage (5/20%) + Fortify (20/20%) + Infused Channelling (20/20%)

Configuration

Player: Leeching, Blitz Charges, Rage: 50
Enemy: Boss: Shaper, Impales: 5, Consecrated Ground, Intimidated
Playerailment: Consecrated Ground
Playerskill: Infused Channeling

Info:

Pastebin | Web Tree | Web PoB | Web Viewer
Created in Path of Building.

[worldly scaffold]

unencumbered

[sharp iron]

I've heard of people struggling to get the 1000 strength for the Baroness helm

[lucid stone]

Get yourself a good maraketh jewel with dex and phys as cold.

[patent canyon]

they struggle bc they want to reach it on 2c budget

[lucid stone]

Second Sight for flavor. Blind punchmonk.

[worldly scaffold]

26 attack rate btw

will probably need -cost on cyclone

[lucid stone]

Or you could do DwD and lose yet another gear slot

[sharp iron]

You'll also lose some dexterity due to your gloves and weapons containing no rolls

[worldly scaffold]

yeah this build takes that into account

[lucid stone]

I kinda wanna do DwD Hollow Palm now

[worldly scaffold]

no gloves and weapons (@timid geyser made them like that) are basically unarmed too

[lucid stone]

But thats half of your gear gone

What class would do best with hollow palm? It's like the opposite of facebreakers.

[worldly scaffold]

zerker imo

since loads of free damage

and speeds

[lucid stone]

Sounds about right

[sharp iron]

Last thing I'll note is that even if you get good single-target damage, the low weapon reach of unarmed means your AoE will suffer.

[worldly scaffold]

like getting general 150% inc damage, 75% inc as

[lucid stone]

Champ could use second sight.

[worldly scaffold]

yeah those are the wonders of unarmed

[lucid stone]

Huh. I wonder if pugilist jewel will ever see use.

Cause you're stacking dex and unarmed.

[worldly scaffold]

no

it bad

[lucid stone]

Never. <\3

Unless they make pugilist mini hollow hand.

[midnight phoenix]

Its bad

We tried it yesterday

[worldly scaffold]

shame shrapnel ballista is bad

[midnight phoenix]

Jewels are far too valuable for this build to fuck about with these items

[lucid stone]

Is using DwD too much opportunity cost on hollow hand?

[worldly scaffold]

yes

[midnight phoenix]

Dude

[worldly scaffold]

you wont fix your resistances

[midnight phoenix]

Where are u gonna put ur skills

[worldly scaffold]

yeah

[lucid stone]

Boots lol

[worldly scaffold]

like with drugs

you arent a dj, dont mix those

they're perfectly fine as a separate thing

[lucid stone]

Wait this is the ultimate no socket build

Kaom's Heart + Kaom's Roots + DwD + Hollow Hand

[worldly scaffold]

yeah

also thiefs torment btw

you end up with

[midnight phoenix]

Welcome to reddit 8 hours ago

[worldly scaffold]

true

[lucid stone]

I am unowoiginal

Still sounds really neat to make a monk themed chatacter.

[wild arch]

Templar for bonus points?

[storm crown]

wow that metamorph core seem great 😄

[violet nymph]

thoughts on the new notable?

+1% crit for heralds.

[midnight phoenix]

Herald bomber took a real beating with the increase in mob hp and the movement to t19s

Also with the prevalence of scaling death explosions right now theres several builds that arent so much slower than it

[quiet geyser]

The wording for hollow palm is wierd.

Do ionly need to have 1 empty

or all 3?

[slender temple]

@barren crescent that picture must print for research

[wild arch]

@quiet geyser all 3 must be empty

[quiet geyser]

okay thanks

[gray moon]

you can roll the modifiers of magic and rare clusters right

although, can you regal the blue clusters?

[silver kettle]

The jewels are fully craftable. Just note that the number of nodes and type of small nodes are enchantments, so essentially fixed

[gray moon]

also for clarification, do you have to manually spend passive points to make use of cluster jewels?

on the cluster itself

[silver kettle]

Yeah, they cost points like normal passives

[gray moon]

can you tell us which jewel sockets are considered large outer jewel sockets?

[native sonnet]

all the current ones on the outermost are large

6 of them

[gray moon]

the ones that cost 3 node to get to right

[native sonnet]

yes

[gray moon]

think im gonna get the one close to resolute technique then

wondering if the location of the jewel matters like legion jewels

[native sonnet]

nope

the nodes u get are already determined/shown on the jewels

[gray moon]

alright then its not really complicated

[silver kettle]

The goal is for them to actually be accessible

Not like the timeless jewels

[native sonnet]

wonder if its possible to get the 2 exact same notables on the same jewel

[bitter ledge]

Here is a question that I have

[native sonnet]

and if certain notables are only available on large/medium/small hmmm

[bitter ledge]

How many medium sized jewel sockets can be at most on the large jewels?

[native sonnet]

3

[bitter ledge]

I'm guessing it's either 1 or 2.

[native sonnet]

the unique voices has 3

[bitter ledge]

No, the 3 is only limited to the Voices one.

[native sonnet]

so at least that

maybe 4 from a rare since it can have 4 explicits

[bitter ledge]

That would make Voices a terrible alternative though.

Unless you get really lucky on the rolls when chaos spamming

[native sonnet]

not really, voices only has 1 small node pathing

the large rares u need more pathing points

[bitter ledge]

I guess we'll see. In the end, I don't think it matter that much

[bitter ledge]

I can already see a slight issue with the new jewels though. It doesn't tell you where the new notables will be located on these jewels.

I'm thinking that top-to bottom corresponds to a (counter)clockwise rotation?

[hasty perch]

is there a limit to notables tho?

it looks like jewels so 4 mods

but can you get 4 notables on a medium jewel?

probs not right?

[bitter ledge]

I'm thinking 4-6 total nodes on a medium jewel and probably 1 notable and 1 jewel socket.

[eager terrace]

probably 1 / 2 / 3 based on what we've seen so far

[hasty perch]

seems logical yeah

roughly keeping a 1 notable/3 nodes

[bitter ledge]

Here's what I'm thinking

Large: 7-10 total nodes. 3 'special' nodes. At most 2 medium jewel sockets.
Medium: 4-6 total nodes. 2 'special' nodes. At most 1 medium jewel socket.
Small: 2-3 total nodes OR 1 keystone. 1 'special' node. No jewel sockets.

[storm crown]

that large cluster has 2 noticables and 1 jewel and 7 other passives

[bitter ledge]

This one has 2 jewel sockets though

[storm crown]

jewels can have diffrent abount of passives tho

thats a 8 passive jewel with 2 jewels and 1 noticable

[bitter ledge]

Yeah.

[storm crown]

correct me if im wrong 😛

[bitter ledge]

No, you're right I think

[silver kettle]

There is a set pattern for the locations of nodes that are replaced by notables and jewel sockets @bitter ledge. I'm sure you'll be able to work it all out pretty quickly with more examples

[bitter ledge]

Nice! 😄

[storm crown]

this extension of passive tree is very exciting

[bitter ledge]

Yeah. I do feel like the meta is just going to be to reroll them into health jewels though.

So you free up passives for other points.

[native sonnet]

the mods u can roll is limited/determined by the enchantments it came with

and that enchantment cannot be rerolled

[bitter ledge]

Oh yeah...

[storm crown]

but you can have ones with similar effects chaining into each other

[hasty perch]

so jewels will potentially cost a lot of money purely based on enchant without having a good rolll

[storm crown]

so you could get massive offense or defense in 1 long chain

[bitter ledge]

I don't think that that chaining works

[native sonnet]

depending on rarity/ what gg nodes are gated behind which

[bitter ledge]

Otherwise Voices will be pretty worthless

[native sonnet]

rolls are on each jewel itself, so doesnt chain imo

[hasty perch]

most likely will be again a lot of bad nodes to dilute the pool

[native sonnet]

cuz u roll it in ur stash before socketing

[hasty perch]

laughs in flat life regen rolls on armors

[storm crown]

what i mean if you have a a cluster with your damage type then next cluster has similar, this way you get skill tree that jumps less arround and more focused

[bitter ledge]

But these jewels seem to be the complete opposite of the timeless jewels.

Timeless jewels were almost designed to be untradable.

[hasty perch]

i'm excited to be able to play a trickster without having only 170~% life on tree (excluding jewels)

7K life trickster here i come

[storm crown]

example if you get a large minion damage cluster then chain it into a medium minion damage cluster then into a small minion cluster thats alot of chained points all focus on 1 area

[hasty perch]

yes , it can also allow builds that would like an ascendancy but can't really use it due to the damage nodes you want being at the opposite side of the tree

[deep wave]

what is the probability of rolling 1 notable you want using chaos? 2x(1/270)?

[hasty perch]

like making balista clusters or something near hierophant

it's GGG man

they'll be weighted

[bitter ledge]

Yeah

[storm crown]

not sure but i think noticable will be tide to the type of jewel

[bitter ledge]

Alt spamming will be popular I guess

[hasty perch]

30% chance to get the useless node

30% to get the niche node

39% a decent one

[bitter ledge]

1:3 alt:chaos ratio incoming

[hasty perch]

0.9% a good one

0.1% the one you want

[deep wave]

p(1)x(1/270)+p(2)x(2/270) probably

[bitter ledge]

0.001% fixed that for you

[storm crown]

regal is probly gonna be quite solid as well

[deep wave]

oh god they are weighted?

[bitter ledge]

But yeah... alt spamming will be so popular

[hasty perch]

regal looks like pure bonus on them yeah

[native sonnet]

1. limited by enchantment, so wont have to roll vs 280 , 2) likely gonna be weighted, 3) it can also roll non notables - i.e those that add to small passives

TLDR - we dont know yet

[hasty perch]

non notables are pretty interesting too tbh

[deep wave]

yea that what p(rolling 1 passive) does

[bitter ledge]

I'm surely gonna be picking up all of the alterations.

[hasty perch]

a large cluster jewel with 3% life nodes enchant and 25% small notable effect is already real nice hp

[storm crown]

there was a cluster jewel with 3% hp and +6 max hp

[bitter ledge]

I think that the small jewels can give better nodes.

[hasty perch]

yeah

if you can get 3 mods for small nodes

[bitter ledge]

Also, I didn't even catch this

[hasty perch]

and 1 notable on a large

might get some real interesting stuff too

[bitter ledge]

This is a magic one, not a rare one

[deep wave]

what mods can roll on these? 1. Jewel socket 2.small passives have increased effect 3. notable 4. ???

[native sonnet]

keystones

[deep wave]

any more?

[hasty perch]

isn't keystone unique clusters?

[bitter ledge]

I think theyre small

[hasty perch]

yeah

[native sonnet]

actually yeah dk if keystones are only from unique jewels or can roll on regular ones

might be unique only, since the shown keystones so far are standalone single path/node without any other small nodes

[storm crown]

would make sense to have keystones at only unique tbh

[deep wave]

Cluster Jewels can start dropping from the Coast onwards.

[bitter ledge]

Yeah, I think s as well

[deep wave]

wow fun

[bitter ledge]

Where did you read that?

[deep wave]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/fa187s/how_much_of_delirium_is_accessible_before_endgame/fiv6skx/?context=3

[bitter ledge]

I can already see newer players "Guys, what are these jewels that I just found? What can I do with them?"

And then he links the most OP jewel ever.

[deep wave]

i mean item level probably does something

[storm crown]

or they are limited to lvls

so you dont get banans keystone pre lvl 20 😛

[native sonnet]

jewel at lvl 2, cant equip till lvl 15 or 20 anyway lol

[storm crown]

witch cna reach at lvl 10 at least

pathfinder lvl 12

[deep wave]

scion lv 4?

wait nvm

[storm crown]

scion is the slowest ofc 😄

[deep wave]

Is 1 notable worth 4 skillpoints though?

[storm crown]

scion lvl 16

[deep wave]

lets say small passives are equal to stuff you could get on your old tree

[storm crown]

i doubt it sgonna be worth going to a cluster asap

cos you only pick stats on that way

but might be

[deep wave]

i mean +1% crit for heralds may* be worth it but probably not

most of them do not seem to be worth 4 skill points

[storm crown]

witch can reach 2 at lvl 20 🤔

[deep wave]

that is an entire cluster

[bitter ledge]

Yeah, that's what I think as well

[hasty perch]

you're taking it the wrong way imo

when talking about worth or not

it's like jewels right now in the game

bad jewels are generally not worth 2 points

like here just the crit for herald for 4 points meh

a 4 mod cluster jewel with crit herald and 3 mods for small passives on the way

looks a lot more worth already

[deep wave]

you still need points for those

[storm crown]

looked in pob

[hasty perch]

yes but if your points on the way gives you 3 stats

[storm crown]

all but scion only need 11 points

[hasty perch]

they're not travel points

they're actually usefull points for your build

[deep wave]

lets say the small passives are equal to the best alternate nodes you can get on your tree

notable = 4 point cost

[hasty perch]

3 if you can use the stats of the 2 nodes to the jewel

i'd say

since they're meh i count them 0.5

and considering the strength of the notable

it's well worth it imo

[deep wave]

are you counting the 3 you need to socket the cluster jewel?

[hasty perch]

for the good jewels

i'm counting 4 and taking one less

because you do get a bit less than one small node worth of stats

from the 2 nodes before the outer jewel

like 8% melee phys

is not a great node

but it's not a travel node either

or 12% elem on top one

[deep wave]

meh...fine

3 points for a notable(more if your build does not path next to a 3 point socket)

[hasty perch]

there's also the part about being able to get things you cannot get otherwise and/or need to travel too far to be efficient

[storm crown]

they have showed at like 9 delirium orbs at least 😄

[hasty perch]

like i'd pay any day 5-10 nodes to get the explodey notable

we know how insane explodey stuff is

[deep wave]

15% chance though

[hasty perch]

more than enough

profane bloom is 25%

with decent density

[deep wave]

you can stack them

[hasty perch]

yes

could also make hilarious stuff with more than once some notables

[deep wave]

probably has diminishing effects even for the GG ones

[storm crown]

if they are noticables they can be stacked

[hasty perch]

like the up to 50% inc aoe while stationnary

[deep wave]

yea i meay make a worb with that

[hasty perch]

get 3 of them with a large> medium > small cluster

150% aoe 🤔

[storm crown]

large might have have multple chains tho 😄

so you can go from large into 2 medium etc

[deep wave]

voices

[storm crown]

ye but voices are unique and has no stats its self

exciting still

[deep wave]

7 points for 3 sockets+??

[hasty perch]

in the end it will most likely always be the best choice to take an outer jewel you path near

if you have the currency to get real good jewels

just like taking 2 points jewels right now is always the best choice once you got money

[deep wave]

bex mentions that we will get a list before league starts

[hasty perch]

will probably be leaked and datamined before that

:^)

[deep wave]

datamining can only datamine after patch hits

i.e. day before patch

some may leak but not 270 lol

[storm crown]

tbh i hope they reveal them all

[deep wave]

it is confirmed though

we will get a list similar to blight notables

when we get them is a problem

[storm crown]

that at least gives some plan for a build 😄

[hasty perch]

blight notable was hilarious

"how do i know which oil to annoint this notable ?"

"go to the wiki it's nowhere in game"'

kek

glad they added it

the next league

[deep wave]

nah it was in blight

[hasty perch]

really?

my bad

[deep wave]

like week 1-2

[hasty perch]

still kinda weird

[deep wave]

or maybe at start

[hasty perch]

nah not at start

i remember quite clearly having to go to the wiki

several times

I mean it's no big deal for veteran players who know the wiki is the place to be

but for new players cmon

not cool

[deep wave]

what's wrong with beef?

yea anyways glad they added it

[dark condor]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2628299
This was posted on release day

[deep wave]

we are talking about the oils showing on the tree

[dark condor]

Still no need to go to the wiki

[hasty perch]

there was at release

for tribal fury and stuff like that at least

[cobalt falcon]

Are the cluster jewel really random like how timeless jewel randomness?

[native sonnet]

random like normal jewel , not timeless jewel

[cobalt falcon]

Oh so the unique cant be divine

To get other keynote

[midnight phoenix]

Most likely not, but technically we dont have enough evidence i suppose

Like maybe tomorrow ggg releases a different One With Nothing with diffrrent keystone?

Short of that happening its safe to assume no

[sharp iron]

Guys I have a crackpot theory.

The Reefbane fishing rod says it glows when in an area with a rare fish, and people have been finding that there seems to be patterns on if it glows or not, but haven't found anything to do in an area where it is going.

The new delirium mechanic transforms the entire map from a normal state into a delirium state.

So what if delirium is the key to fishing and we need to enter the delirium state to see the fish, which is why Reefbane is detecting a fish by glowing but we can't see them?

Should I tell this to the people on reddit trying to unravel the fishing mystery?

[cobalt falcon]

Hmm isnteresting they say cluster in fixed position on skill tree, visible only when socketed,

Cluster jewel roll maybe not that lot

[vast gazelle]

i wonder what stuff theyre gonna give mines, forgetting theyre already super strong

[primal whale]

Are Mines something that they really need to look at?

[vast gazelle]

eeh

yes and no

[compact junco]

they should buff mine nodes on tree, they are obvs not strong enough

[vast gazelle]

the thing is mines as an archetype are only really super worth playing when they trivialize single targets

which they tend to do right now

at least the "good meta" ones

[primal whale]

You get easy damage for a clunky playstyle

[vast gazelle]

yeah

[compact junco]

i personally dont mind mines as single target is the only thing they have. but no clear, and survivability is hard to get too

[primal whale]

If anything they should look at traps again

&Finally delete zombies and skeletons

[compact junco]

*delete str stacking and skeletons. zombies are imo in fine state rn, at least stat-wise. they take some investment to not be bad

[primal whale]

If Baron doesnt see a nerf I'll riot

[compact junco]

baron isnt even an issue, its just few extra zombies. but geoffri etc together with baron and spirit offering is

[primal whale]

I consider 20 zombies an issue

[compact junco]

20 zombies is pretty ridiculous investment in str

[primal whale]

20 topend but 15 is super easy to get

[compact junco]

the average build has like 15

but you can get +1 zombies from regular helmet, and every extra zombie is lower dps increase anyway, going from 12 to 15 is not that significant

but you are getting shitton of survivability with that what is imo the biggest issue

[wintry sigil]

change str to armour instead of life

[violet nymph]

12 to 15 is still 25% more damage lol

[compact junco]

yeah but that 1200 str eats quite a lot of affixes as well

[violet nymph]

1200 str is also 600 flat life

so it also gives survivability for those affixes

[compact junco]

but you are getting shitton of survivability with that what is imo the biggest issue
no, really? :d

[violet nymph]

it's midnight, i'm not good at reading lol

anyway obviously something about minions should be nerfed

imo making skeletons die very very easily would be good

which is solved with investment into that new notable with the cluster jewel

[compact junco]

skeles already die very easily

[violet nymph]

that makes minions summoned recently not take damage

[compact junco]

but that do not really matters when they instakill stuff

[primal whale]

Cant you summon up to 4 skellies with one cast anyways?

[compact junco]

you can go up to 8 i think with jewel

[violet nymph]

it's funny how they could halve the damage of skellies/zombies and it'd still be amazing

and double the damage of spectral shield throw and it'd still be shit

[primal whale]

As if they already nerfed zombies recently 🤔

[violet nymph]

they should incorporate minion mods naturally into wands and staves, instead of having a weird atlas-specific base for minions

make the minion mods on those weapons very very powerful

then nerf the damage of the minions themselves specifically

[primal whale]

That would harm every other build too

[violet nymph]

so that you need investment to make minions work

[primal whale]

Or do you want to roll minion mods on your sword?

[compact junco]

its not like anyone is playing wanders anyway so adding extra mods to wands would technically not hurt anyone :d

[violet nymph]

i literally said wands/staves

[compact junco]

(not that i think its a good idea)

[violet nymph]

i want to say something like

divide wand/staff each in two

[primal whale]

Convoking wands is not the reason why minions are so broken

[violet nymph]

attacking wands/spell and minion wands, same with staves

we already have warstaves

my idea is you take attack mods entirely out of the pool for spell wands and spell staves

[primal whale]

We will get Attack based wands in time

[violet nymph]

and replace that with minion nodes to balance

[primal whale]

If you divide the pool of possible mods onto different types even more you'll end up with dirt-cheap-to-make wands

and powercreep even more

[violet nymph]

since the only reason non-warstaff/rune dagger still have attack mods is to balance against how easy it would be to make good spell weapons without them

so replace the attack mods with minion mods on those specific types, as well as the non-attack wands given attack wands come out

and theoretically you could balance it properly, since summoners almost never want spell damage

[midnight phoenix]

If sst did double damage from live i would league start it for sure, it would be top tier

[violet nymph]

and spellcasters almost never want minion damage

[primal whale]

Yeah no dont do that

[violet nymph]

anyway nerf zombies/skellies or whatever

baron

str stacking

etc

[sour mountain]

what if the evil entity behind delirium is...

...cavas 🤔

[violet nymph]

nah

[sour mountain]

what if the evil entity behind delirium is...

...the elder 🤔

come from backwards in time, so he's the... younger

🤔 🤔 🤔

you were the elder all along in this league 🤔 🤔 🤔

[gloomy bay]

The Younger

[fickle crest]

Hey all, do we know anything about the challenge league cosmetics we can unlock yet?

[native sonnet]

that's on the 9th

[sour mountain]

and all those monsters you're killing during deliriums???

that's right they were PEOPLE all along

[haughty harbor]

Fairly certain that a lot of enemy types in the game are human too

[sour mountain]

they were TINY BABIES

aisling being useful in intervention is legit really juicy tho

[sharp wind]

that's right they were PEOPLE all along
#PixelHumanLivesMatter

[final dagger]

are the brand gloves confirmed real, fake, or neither?

[sour mountain]

brand gloves?

[silver kettle]

Suuuuuper fake

[final dagger]

h*CK

pls don't troll me I wanted them to be real so badly 😦

especially with autobomber league

but if a red name confirms they're fake I can post them right? 🤔

I need that last line so badly

[sour mountain]

just hold down the brand recall button

[final dagger]

excuse me but that requires I expend energy with my left hand

[sour mountain]

just put it on scroll wheel

[final dagger]

god fr*ckn h*ckn darn why do you have to make sense

[wintry apex]

"Warp Residue"

[steel sinew]

How long before league start do patch notes normally come out?

[wintry apex]

They're usually out the wednesday before launch

[steel sinew]

Cool ty

[bitter ledge]

I'm not sure if this belong here or in #1┃endgame-help. How much benefit do you get from playing on league launch?

Because yes, you can make a lot of currency up front (my favorite strategy is investing in divine/annulment orbs when they're just 2-3c per piece).

But regardless of when you start the league, you will still be able to make decent currency with just high-tier maps.

[wintry apex]

You get to potentially exploit oversights from GGG, you have more currency at any given moment going forward and that lets you have a better response to market forces. You're also "more in touch" with the meta and item values, giving you more sense and direction.

Your last statement is true though. You can always make decent currency simply by playing.

[shut wagon]

anyone know how we assign the "new" notables? as i understand we put one of the cluster jewel in one of the sockets and it open a random new cluster, but how we can assign this new if we wont get more points to spend?

[silver kettle]

You have to choose whether to spend your points on cluster jewel nodes instead of the normal tree. Also the cluster created isn't random, it's entirely determined by the mods on the jewel

[shut wagon]

ah well i see. That means we cant truly skill more then before, there are just more options to spend our points

[patent canyon]

yup

[shut wagon]

probably i dont like it, but we will see

[wintry apex]

At least so far it appears that the nodes are slightly more powerful than the ones on the regular tree, which they kinda have to be since they're 1. new and 2. have more opportunity cost than your average jewel socket / wheel cluster since you have to travel through the lackluster small nodes preceding the outer jewel sockets

[patent canyon]

not only are they more powerful you will be picking everything up once inside jewel for really nice cost efficient nodes

[wintry apex]

And they also allow for a ton of pathing flexibility. You could pick up lots of crit multi on the very top or bottom side of the tree where it's rather scarce, if generic crit multi jewels will be a thing

Maybe there will be really good bow jewels that could open up new build possibilities for Templars

[sour mountain]

go into the nodes around shadow so you can fill it with Life, Life and Life

in an area traditionally devoid of life

[patent canyon]

ohh right you can have nothing but 1 giant ass cluster for life

and then greed all damage nodes on right side of the tree

[sour mountain]

its bad for pathing

but great for raw life

[patent canyon]

the distance to scion wheel is worse

[wintry apex]

^

[sour mountain]

but an assassin might be able to make something great out of lots of life cluster jewels and using phys->chaos conversions with EK

maybe dip into poison

[silver kettle]

I cannot wait for you all to see the full list of notables

[sour mountain]

are there silly things like +curse, +spectre, etc. behind level 84 cluster jewels?

[wintry apex]

I hope not. I hope that the design philosophy behind these new notables is that no powerful signature node on the tree is straight up copied or made obsolete

[silver kettle]

Well there's exactly one node that you might hate me for then, but I hope you'll understand the reasoning 😀

[sour mountain]

+1 totem node confirmed

i genuinely hope we see lots of people who take a bunch of cluster jewels and a Legion jewel and say "screw your trees, i'm going to make my own"

[wintry apex]

Well if it's only one node then I can't be that mad :P

[sour mountain]

yeah but you'll be able to roll the node on all your clusters

you'll go into three of the corner wheels and use large with that node, voices on all three, and smalls each with that node

and have, what... 12? extra totems C:

[wintry apex]

I would assume that an extra totem will not be there

Not on a non-unique jewel that's not limited to 1

[sour mountain]

inb4 you have to Sirus exalt a level 84 cluster jewel to get it

[wintry apex]

Influenced jewels inc?

[sour mountain]

influenced-only or corrupted-only passives 😏

or fossil-crafted-only

[wintry apex]

I could imagine +1 curse to be not that broken actually. It does take a good amount of work to incorporate multiple curses on an average character.

[sour mountain]

+1 curse would probably not be great when you're only linking 3 into Bane at most

and you can get 3 curses pretty comfortably anyway

[wintry apex]

Definitely less powerful than an extra totem. That'd just be a no-brainer for totem builds.

[sour mountain]

that warcry passive wheel that got shown off tho is kinda wew

[wintry apex]

What do you mean by "wew"?

[sour mountain]

could be pretty nice

[wintry apex]

It doesn't seem particularly powerful tbh

On rallying cry the notable is a ~28.5% damage increase but the small nodes only give a 5.3% damage increase, so across 4 nodes it averages out to an 11.1% damage increase

Which isn't great :P But it's only a magic jewel, a rare version could make it a lot better

[torpid sonnet]

Also you can probably roll versions with less small nodes i.e. better pathing

[sour mountain]

i'm considering it with Enduring and relying on that for sustain

but i think it would need more meat to really be good

it's just blue and 1-mod so you can give it more juice

but... yeah i think if you roll halfway decently (alts and regals are gonna be super valuable this league i reckon) you can get silly

i should probably not think too much about what jewels are gonna be omega pepegasm and just wait for the league to start and play with what i get 🤔

[weak solstice]

I want those gloves in my life

holy fuck 😄

With those were real

Wish*

[sour mountain]

brands already orbit around the player!

just spam brand recall

[weak solstice]

Its 1 less button to press!

But yea, i will probably miss the attachment range from recall

So it will end up feeling worse

[devout sequoia]

Dunno. The cooldown can be annoying sometimes

I imagine it will be a tad better for mapping but worse for bossing

[worn crane]

I wonder what skill would be the best for delirium encounters

[versed dock]

Im just gonna start out with ye old classic ED Contagion Trickster I think

Sounds alright in delirium

[sharp wind]

Basically anything with good clear. No idea what's happening in the encounter maps as nothing's been released about them.

[wild arch]

Hollow palm ignite chieftain?

[versed dock]

Consecrated path chieftain!

[dusty umbra]

@wild arch right now checking some facebreaker pobs and none can reach close to facebreaker dps due to losing shield etc

[dusky kernel]

Really? the flat phys and 60% more atk speed cant make up for it?

im surprised id figured a 1k dex build could out shine a facebreaker

[dusty umbra]

@dusky kernel i just removed facebreaker + shield and added like 300-2k + 60% more aspeed on gear piece

but ya by looks facebreaker > hollow palm with just those changes

obviously rings from facebreaker builds can be replaced to better ones since hollow palm doesn't care as much for flat unlike facebreakers but still

[dusky kernel]

wish i knew the builds better, but theres a few threads going around saying how to build it differently because it requires slightly different stats than FB. lemme see if i can find the latest one

[dusty umbra]

yeh it has to be built different since facebreakers care a lot of about flat

[dusky kernel]

mmm looks like no one is pobing it right now

will have to wait for patch notes

[dusty umbra]

still.... there's only so much u can build differently

• rare rings instead of circle of guilt
• rigwardls is still a must judging by my own pobbing
• belt stygian most likely anyway
• helmet i left abysus on
• body armor - you won't get that much dex from it

so basically only big change from normal FB builds is not focusing on circle of guilt x2

[dusky kernel]

nah cyclopian for dex stacking

the only problem is its goin gto be one of those builds

where you play it strictly to play it

not for its build strength

because the exact same dex stacking stuff would just go better on a TS ranger and be faster and better

and thats a bit of the shame of it all, but it could be a really good flavor build if you dont wanna go facebreakers cuz its old and over done

[dusty umbra]

it really sux having to use rigwalds tbh

hopefully there's some unarmed changes/passives in the mix of next league

[unkempt notch]

That's nice

[vast gazelle]

i dont really know how to spec out for it ideally but ive looked at it and come to the conclusion deliriousmelone did from what i could figure out

[violet nymph]

Well we can bet they have unarmed nodes in the new jewels. Same with wanders

[fallen tulip]

how would it function for a CoC build?

[dusty umbra]

@violet nymph speaking of new jewels that corrupted one that gives dex the further you are looks interesting tbh

for hollow palms builds anyway

[wild arch]

For hollow palm I'd much rather have a rat's nest or devoto's over abyssus

[dusty umbra]

yeh for sure but earlier i meant that just taking usual facebreaker build(-s) as baseline

[vast gazelle]

if youre going for rigwalds dont you wanna consider a fractal thoughts

[dusty umbra]

even changing up some gear and adding 300-2k + 60 more aspeed isn't that great for dps

[wild arch]

Fractal sounds great if you can manage to convert the damage without gloves

[vast gazelle]

also what really throws me off is that elehit is unarmed capable but wild strike isnt

[dusty umbra]

^

Converting to cold is easy though

80-90% with just few nodes + watchers

[vast gazelle]

my bigbrain build wants to offcolor a dex chest and go conc path

but idk how smart that actually is

[wild arch]

If you got the right watcher then by all means go conversion

@vast gazelle conc path chieftain

[vast gazelle]

i was thinking conc path raider

for the m e m e s

slash lowkey d3 monk cosplay

[dusty umbra]

@vast gazelle i'm considering slayer for aoe since conc path is scalable by aoe

[vast gazelle]

mm

thats a dece idea too yeah

[wild arch]

The ultimate meme would be hollow palm templar

[vast gazelle]

and dont you have garbage aoe base

with unarmed

[wild arch]

Nope

[vast gazelle]

oh sick

yeah def wanna run conc path hollow palm technique

then

with rigwalds

[wild arch]

Melee range only affects the strike

[vast gazelle]

tbh im excited for the fact people will probably write this jewel off

and make it cheapish

[hasty perch]

I'm not sure crit is that good tbh

Considering rigwald doesn't allow claw multi and takes the slot of a dex and gained as extra amulet

[wild arch]

Palm allows dual wield multi

[dusty umbra]

for crit u need to use rigwald tho but rigwalds adds a lot of deeps

[wild arch]

If there is any

[fallen tulip]

theres that one cluster of crit chance for dual wield

[vast gazelle]

yeah esp with conc path giving perma conc ground

my main issue pobbing it is i dont know what to give it to tell pob that i count as dual wield

[hasty perch]

idk i think it's probably better to go ele overload

[vast gazelle]

is there an affix that does that already

[hasty perch]

and use a % dex flat dex jade amulet with phys as extra cold

[wild arch]

How about just making 2 zdps weapons

Make their attack speed same as unarmed

[vast gazelle]

also you cant go ele overload without some source of flat crit, no?

[vast gazelle]

and then investment to crit often enough to have it up

[hasty perch]

you can crit with something else

[vast gazelle]

i suppose yeah

[wild arch]

Like flame dash

[hasty perch]

nothing stops you from having some kind of OoS inc crit

or stuff like that

[vast gazelle]

i guess but id rather have pcoc curse on hit on an oos

with gems at a premium

[wild arch]

Nothing except the sockets you don't have

[vast gazelle]

also >impale kekw

[hasty perch]

i'll probably use two unset rings anyway if i go hollow palm

so it'll be "ok"

not like steel rings do anything with it

[wild arch]

I'll probably eventually try hollow gladiator

[hasty perch]

and considering the huge damage you get you probably only need to drop ele overload on bosses so it's not a bother to use OoS for it

will most likely one tap everything without overload up

in maps

[wild arch]

15 + 60 + 20 more attack speed and capped block sounds like a good start

[timid geyser]

Capping block is gonna bit a little rough tbh

Should be doable though

[hasty perch]

with rumi should be fine

i'm a bit sad they didn't add an unarmed skill

to go with it

[vast gazelle]

like its probably good

i just dont wanna do pure phys impale unarmed

[wild arch]

We're yet to see the 3 support gems

Of which there might be something useful