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[balmy umbra]

cant get my 4th conqueror to spawn after 20 maps 😦

those are the only 3 watchstones remaining in my atlas and no matter how many maps i run in them... no conq spawn

[tranquil mulch]

So what is the purpose of tanes lab

[silver kettle]

combining itemised map boss parts dropped by metamorphs in maps

[tranquil mulch]

I see

I seee

It all makes sense to me now

[shut yoke]

Hi guys,
I still dont get the new altas mech, in one region, i still have 3 stones not obtained, and it asks for 3-4 stones to be socketed to spawn the conqueror, then i socketed 3 stones, do i need to run the same map tier as socketed or any tier but in this region to make conquerors appear?

[woven venture]

its region based, not directly tier based (the more stones in the area the higher the tier). example... if a tower requires 4 watchstones to spawn a conqueror, then you must socket 4 watchstones AND run a map in that region of the tier that corelates with how many watchstones are socketted

so 4 watchstones means, a tier 14-16 of those regions maps

[shut yoke]

so the tier that corelates with socketed stones...

[woven venture]

correct

[shut yoke]

im having hard time getting red maps

[woven venture]

well, depending on how your atlas is socketted, thats whatll drop

so

whats the highest tier you have... 5 maps of?

[woven venture]

so t12 more or less

[shut yoke]

is it normal..

like its not showing all the maps i have

err

all the maps on the atlas

[woven venture]

alright, so make whatever region you want to boost your maps drops in to have watch stones that provide maps that are t13-14+

the rest of the regions, make them tiered. so say 1 outer region has no stones, another has 1 stone, another has 2 stones

[shut yoke]

ok

[woven venture]

this version of the atlas doesnt allow tier pushing

before you could "force" a higher tier map to drop by eliminating the tiers below it

now the map just wont drop if theres no map of that tier on the atlas

[shut yoke]

woah..

so you kind to have to have all the white maps done

then push to all the yellows

then reds will drop

[woven venture]

yes and no. you can certainly force it a bit when you grasp it fully

[shut yoke]

but how come some maps are not showing in my tab

[woven venture]

but its easier to focus on 1 region

because they require that region to have X amount of watchstones socketed to show

[shut yoke]

ohhhhhh

[woven venture]

unsocket some watchstones

watch some maps disappear

on the atlas

[shut yoke]

that's all the stones i have

and im having hard time with the 5th/6th and 7th

cause it requires red maps which i dont have

[woven venture]

focus on the regions that require the lowest amount of stones to spawn a conqueror

i see a couple of regions that only have 1 watchstone

hover over that box

do any say 2 or less stones required?

[shut yoke]

i feel like my atlas is fucked

[woven venture]

not at all

its a simple system with confusing nuances

focus on 1 region

you have a region that needs 3 stones

so

[shut yoke]

so i cant socket in 4 stones and running a lower tier map in that region to get conqueror appear

[woven venture]

take all the stones out, except the 3 for that region

you can only AFTER its spawned with a map of the correct tier

[shut yoke]

was thinking that way, and the conquerors wont appear haha

ok

[woven venture]

so if 4 watstones are socketted, run t14-t16 maps of that region until it spawns, then run lower tiers

but for the tactic

focus on just 1 region at a time

so socket 3 stones in that region, and LESS THAN 3 in the others

that way when a map drops of that appropriate tier, its in the correct region

[shut yoke]

ok

im gonna try that way

thank you so much for the explanation

[balmy umbra]

cannot get the last watcthstone ...........................................................................................................

30 maps in hamlet. conq wont spawn

tried chaging hideout

tried unsocketed the whole atlas but that region

to no avial

what am i missing here?

i had 2 watchstones missing when I started this evening (4 hours ago) and 4 hours later... still only got 1/2 watchstones................ this system irritates me so much

[stark atlas]

Ha

[livid lake]

you probably need to socket some watchstones, hover over the area how many does it say it needs for the conq spawn?

[rose pasture]

Is it possible to buy organs in bulk?
Is there are common prices?

[spice cipher]

Not really a market for them afaik

[rose pasture]

Seems so.
Seems like I`ll be running those myself 🙂

but later// now sleep

[golden rover]

Having problem spawning my conqueror now 1st taunt worked but im having a hard time getting the boss to show up, got 4 stones on that area attached any fix?

[spice cipher]

Just run more maps tbh

Run white maps

[golden rover]

so run white maps with the 4 watchstones attached to the area?

[young flint]

can i spawn influnce of drox after beating al zehmir in same area (new vastir)?

did anyone spawned back to back influence in same area?

[spice cipher]

Yes

[dusky urchin]

do watchstones by themselves (non-unique) do anything other than raise map level

Do the colors even matter

[potent pelican]

yes

because each colour can socket into their particular socket

you cant have more than one of the same colour

[dusky urchin]

but the colour has no effect on map mods etc?

[patent canyon]

no, its just to make a difference between conqs

[slender temple]

You can also sextant the stones

Then move them around retaining the sextant modifiers

I love this new atlas

The modifiers apply to entire region

So you can always have four

[fast jetty]

If i have X map on t5 on atlas, and i will do t13 will it complete my atlas and give me bonus?
And if I have X map on t13 on atlas, and will do t3 same map, will i have to corrupt it? xD

[frank hound]

it depends on the map

if you hover over the map in the atlas it tells you what requirements it has

for the bonus

[fast jetty]

Ye but now every map can be yellow/white and red

[frank hound]

a map that was initially t5 even if you now upgrade it to t16 it keeps the t5 requirements for bonus

[fast jetty]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ij

ok*

[frank hound]

a map that is t13 as a base if you upgrade to t16 it needs to be vaaled rare still

[fast jetty]

I see it now, thanks a lot

[frank hound]

and don't forget that there's the awakening bonus too

[storm crown]

I like that some sextent effects also have positive effects

[velvet palm]

I mean

they're supposed to be all positive, to a degree

[storm crown]

Removing example soul prevention is cool

[slender temple]

Sextants mostly for pack size but some of them are naisu

Like beyond

[dusky urchin]

guys whats the deal with izaro this league

hes one shotting like hell

[tawny pasture]

izaro has nothing new exept a little more hp

[dusky urchin]

Maybe I should record my next attempt and post it

[tawny pasture]

even with a record , izarto isnt harder , the problem is you

[slender temple]

uber izaro isnt harder imho, hes like a yellow map boss ?

get some more levels and finish up some gearing

and do him again

[velvet palm]

Don't get hit

It really isn't hard

[fervent oasis]

am i the only one having the feeling that metamorphs either one shot you or you kill them by doing basically nothing

[spiral cosmos]

They're very cheesy in tier 16s or any Piety map really

Cheese em yourself around a corner (god bless minions) or just do not even attempt if you're afraid you gonna die.

[verbal mirage]

PSA: You don't have to enter a map to change the maps Zanas are selling when starting an Atlas mission - get a use for all your shitty white maps 😄

[vapid patio]

What map do you guys farm your metamorph organs?

[slender temple]

@verbal mirage oooh

[tawny pasture]

map that have 2+boss

[violet nymph]

city square best

[hot gyro]

did someone know how i fix the poe client crash

[patent canyon]

make an angry reddit thread about it

[verbal mirage]

I managed to get a cortex map from it, also, tons of shaper influenced/elder influenced as well as chimera, phoenix, etc

since you get zana missions from running blight maps

[fast jetty]

What's those shiny maps means

[dark condor]

Awakener Bonus completed

[vapid patio]

Are awakened gems just really rare or do they have specific drop requirements?

[next epoch]

They only drop from the Conquerors and Sirus.

[vapid patio]

is that dependent on Conqueror lvl?

[midnight phoenix]

Probably, i havent heard anybody reporting a drop from a low level conqueror

[vapid patio]

so im guessing red tier conquerors and up i guess.

[dusky urchin]

If I socket all my maps up to yellow/red but I only have white maps to run does that mean I can never have the yellow/red maps drop

[patent canyon]

maximum potential drop from map is +2 tiers so no, you cant get reds by doing whites

[gloomy bay]

I’ve only seen one Awakened Gem drop this league with like 9 cycles of red tier Conqueror

Drop rate seems pretty low regardless

[tepid crest]

What do you get for filling up the bar in tanes lab

[gloomy bay]

Nothing special, just a bigger metamorph and more loot

[fluid tangle]

how do u kill bestiary boss?

[tepid crest]

Dps

[mortal yarrow]

You get its health to 0

[haughty harbor]

@fluid tangle they randomly spawn in maps, and are pretty rare to find

I think you can do all your einhar missions if you want to rush a bestiary boss

[hasty prawn]

my 10 ex animated guardian just got 1 shot in precinct map metamorph. He does a super fast blood explosion type of attack i never seen it in game. super fast ticks

[tranquil mulch]

Rekt

[velvet palm]

Exile map bosses are the fuckiest

[placid lagoon]

Hotfix after hotfix and they don't fix Doryanis Machinarium and Perandus Manor high tier to drop. How am i supposed to complete the awakened bonus? Just those two left :/

[tawny pasture]

152/154 dosnt look good :X

[hushed sequoia]

Buy more supporter packs so ggg has the resource to fix i suppose

[fluid tangle]

blame the coronavirus

[tranquil mulch]

Tell chris wilsion to stop eating cheese burgers

Amd fix

[timid gate]

somehow this dropped out of metamorph in tier 3 map, lol

[storm crown]

Is high level of it enabled?

[normal monolith]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but it's way to frustrating to spawn influence after 20 watchstones. I'm only fighting in areas where I have 4 stones in the citadel and only fighting where I have not defeated all 4 conquerors. 20 maps. Influence spawned in on region. One additional conqueror in that area

[barren crescent]

Hogm only drops as T16

[frank hound]

unique maps never gave a crap about your atlas

the map level rules that is

[storm crown]

Metamorph can also dropp random maps

When you run out of maps i. The region you want to spawn it in... And doing a map in other to get more maps and it spawns in that region...

[fluid tangle]

does anyone know for the last 12 watchstones, can any tier map spwan conqurers? or a certain tier+?

[frank hound]

for the spawn you need to be at whatever level the box on the left of the atlas tells you for the specific area

[wet plaza]

Only areas with 4 watchstones can spawn initial influence. Afterwards they can be triggered by running any map in the area

[fluid tangle]

yeh i got 4 watchstones socketed, been doing t11-14 maps in the area for a while now.... no signs of conqurer >.<

[frank hound]

did you spawn that conqueror in this cycle already?

as in the one that you need from that area

[fluid tangle]

yeb... only 1 at an area at a time? o_O

[frank hound]

no

I was just curious

[fluid tangle]

i got 1 from valdo's, trying to get the rest 3 stones in his area

do i need to do like t14-15 maps +_+

[frank hound]

wait you said you're doing it with 4 watchstones

you shouldn't have t11 then

you need to run them at the 4 watchstone tier

[fluid tangle]

ohhh

[frank hound]

if you want to spawn the influence

[fluid tangle]

so 14 and 15s

[frank hound]

yes

and then once it's spawned you can run any tier

for the other 2 encounters

of the same conq

[fluid tangle]

no wonder... gosh

ran out of 14 n 15 maps for valdo.. so lame

thx man

[storm crown]

Member you can orb maps to get an other in same tier If running out

[frank hound]

but also remember that only gives you maps that are that tier as a base

unless they fixed that

[clear mortar]

what is the difference between a tier 1 map with watchstones setting to tier 7 and a tier 7 map with no watchstones?

[royal gale]

a t7 map is a t7 map

if you put a t7 map in it doesn't matter what watchstones you have socketed

[clear mortar]

so I don't need high tier maps I just need to socket watchstones? its the same thing?

[slender temple]

@clear mortar if you haven't unlocked the tier of the map your running in the region that it's in you can't get it as a drop you'll get lower tier maps

No watchstones don't change the tier of map

[clear mortar]

oh, watchstones just create the potential for that tier of map?

I'm new

[slender temple]

Yeah

The RMT people always complainig. They can't sustain because they don't have watchstones

Gotta socket those stones in to unlock drops but your not gonna get red maps doing a white map

Also you can use ivory watchstones

And all sextant mods apply to entire region

You can move watchstones AFTER sextanting them.

It's really great

The unique watchstones can be traded with sextant mods on them

[clear mortar]

ok, thank you

[slender temple]

For example

[clear mortar]

what level tier to unlock rare like 6?

I have a lot to learn with mapping lol

[slender temple]

The stone sockets themselves explain it

The bar on left on map

Hover over

It will tell you how many stones you needed to sokcet to spawn the associated missing conq from that region

[clear mortar]

can you socket them on the left or do you socket them on the thing in the region of the map

[slender temple]

Left is storage

[clear mortar]

ok

[slender temple]

Map is where you sokcet it

[clear mortar]

so I shouldn't be worried socketing 4 in a map region saying T14 or something, the mobs will be just what my map lvl is correct?

[slender temple]

Right

Maps are maps still

Just how you handle atlas is different

Also awakening levels can make maps even harder but yield better rewards

You'll figure that out intuitively

[clear mortar]

ok

when should I use the noon dusk midnight etc. things? Should I wait til im tanky?

[storm crown]

Dont they just increase quanitity on The map

[clear mortar]

they spawn a boss, I tried once at low level and died, been afraid to try again

Man this whole time I thought I was clearning T11 maps but really they were like T5 lol, I need to get tankier

[storm crown]

You mean all 4 shards

Just puting in 1 shard to 3 increases quanity on The map

[hushed sequoia]

I use at least 1 sac frag for red maps, use 3-4 for t16s

[rose pasture]

+nico +95iq+ t15-16map +rota

And youll get ~20k sulphite per single rota

[barren crescent]

its around 50-60k for triple rota

[fluid tangle]

after getting the conqurer area to spwan in the atlas, can conqurer appear in any map tier? or still 14-16?

[weary vortex]

right now, if you spawn the conqueror in a region, you can proc further encounters using any tier of map

[sonic salmon]

I think that's fixed now, as of the patch before last

[velvet palm]

"fixed"

[spice cipher]

That wasn’t fixed afaik

It’s not a bug

For now

[frigid holly]

Question about abrasive catalysts - they improve 'attack modifiers'. What exactaly qualifies as an 'attack modifier'? In particlular I am using a unique amulet that provides +30% projectile damage. Is this an attack modifier, and will it be impacted by abrasive catalysts?

[storm crown]

The crafting site is pretty good at tell it

[timid geyser]

projectile damage =/= attack modifier

[barren crescent]

if it was projectile attack dmg, then it should work

[frigid holly]

I figured it probably wouldn;t work. In general catalysts seem super under-whelming unless you're an elemental build of some sort

[haughty harbor]

Theyre basically extra min-maxing

[frank hound]

great for CI builds as they increase both base and %

[steel inlet]

metamorph encounters ii challenge: "combine 5 magic samples" - I keep picking 5 magic samples (organs) in the metamorph and it's not completing the challenge...what am i missing?

[weary vortex]

There is a number in the challenge text, which represent the number of magic samples you need to use. You just need to keep using magic samples until you reach that number

[steel inlet]

"Complete each of the following tasks during Metamorph Encounters." Combine 5 Normal Samples (checkmark), Combine 5 Magic samples (still needs to be completed), Combine 5 Rare Samples (check mark)

[spice cipher]

theres a specific number of times, have you actually done it that many times?

[next epoch]

@spice cipher Not on this challenge there isn't

@steel inlet All five samples you use need to be magic.

[pseudo cedar]

Each organ you choose and insert in the machine needa to be magic tier.

[delicate bolt]

Hey

[brazen nimbus]

I saw a recipie on the wiki sying that you can merge 3 organs to achieve a higher quality one but my organs just get autopicked up and seemingly dissapear into the void untill I use the vat. Is this a bug or am I missing something important?

[barren crescent]

the recipe refers to the organs you get to your inventory in maps after killing full bar metamorphs, the normal organs you auto pick up are tied to the instance

[brazen nimbus]

ok thank you for the clarification

[worn drift]

Is it advantagious to combine multiple rare organs, for instance I got a unique organ, should I wait until I can combine it will all rares or is it just as good to use it with normal organs?

ah shit, think i lost my unique one

thats what happens when u dont know the mechanics :p

[wet plaza]

reenter the map, if you fill the bar completely you'll get a permanent unique organ to carry out if you kill the morph

[worn drift]

yeh I killed the morph but didnt use unique organ, one of the first zones so wasnt aware they didnt carry with u

or that you could only do it once

what do u mean by fill the bar completely?

how do I fill it?

morphing high quality organs?

[wet plaza]

the more rare the organs the higher the bar goes

if you fill it completely it's animated and looks like goo

it's not always possible to do that early on but will be easier to fill (and harder to kill)

[worn drift]

I got two unqiue ones and rest is normal, problem is that i've cleared the map so no more organs

[wet plaza]

yep nothing you can do sometimes

[worn drift]

I see, quite easy mechanic, just me rushing into things without doing preparations

[wet plaza]

basically 👍

[worn drift]

thanks for answers

[wet plaza]

welcome

[worn drift]

If an organ is gray in the construct then its somewhere in the zone?

confirmed that 😉

[twin fjord]

When a watchstone drops is its color determined by which boss it is or is it simply a random Unobtained one?

[patent canyon]

based on conqueror

[tranquil mulch]

So meta morph uniques only limted to metamorphs in lab?

[storm crown]

you mean the organs?

that they dropp

[next epoch]

iirc, the metamorph league uniques (Astral Projector, Fury Valve, Mother's Embrace, and Warrior's Legacy) can drop anywhere with that has the Metamorph league active

they aren't restricted to drop from specific enemies or in specific areas

[vapid patio]

what's the total organ lvl required to fill up the bar in tane's lab?

[livid lake]

~82

[twin fjord]

Are conquerors spawned in any order or are they random?

[copper kernel]

random from what ive seen

[twin fjord]

I have 4 watchstones left to get, but those are spread over 3 atlas regions. I guess it's running maps for an unobtained region and praying?

[copper kernel]

yea but from my experience the game is smart about spawning coquerors you need

maybe i was lucky tho

[twin fjord]

I also hope for that 😄

[barren crescent]

Baran is the 1st conq you ever spawn, after that its random afaik

[tranquil mulch]

If x region has only has say 1 say drox watch stonevto obtain

Thats whete he will spawn

[frank hound]

can confirm that the game will always spawn a conqueror you need from the area if that is possible in the given cycle

[coral garden]

^

[velvet palm]

If x region has only has say 1 say drox watch stonevto obtain

W H E E Z E

[rose pasture]

Gorge maps.. where are you

[patent canyon]

resting in deepest parts of standard stashes

[rose pasture]

Oh, actually! Can have em in st? Cool then.

[storm crown]

how many t14-16 are expected for activating a conquerer? i just did it in 6 maps

[coral garden]

Usually lower

2-3 is my average if it goes to 6 i would be kinda tilted

[storm crown]

to get 3 taunts

[coral garden]

I use white maps for the 2nd and 3rd

6 for the 3 taunts is lucky

[storm crown]

white maps as in low tier or no mods`?

[midnight phoenix]

Both

[violet nymph]

People, at what point catalysts begin to drop?

[patent canyon]

maps

[grim wagon]

how can i sustain atoll metamorph, it just constantly doing ice novas, that pretty much one shot in high tiers

[tranquil mulch]

Walk around in.a circle

Countets like 99 %

If metamorphs

Like*

Of

[pseudo cedar]

99% if you're doing 5 white organs metamorph

[tranquil mulch]

Nah worked for me so far

[vapid patio]

Not sure if I'm doing something wrong but my atlas seems to refuse to spawn any of the conquerors. Managed to get awakening lvl 4 but after that no conquerors.

[wet plaza]

it's all rng at that point

[agile bramble]

make sure your watchstones are socketed into regions that can spawn conqs. after that its rng

[solid kernel]

@vapid patio hover over the citadels and see what the requirements to spawn the next one in an area

[slate sparrow]

look on the left when u hover ur mouse it says "number of watchstones required to spawn conqueror" and put your watchstones in an area where you have a watchstone that you need to acquire

(i.e. says "not acquired" for a watchstone)

also each boss has a color so if you already spawned say green and red, make sure you look for areas where you need to acquire a yellow and blue watchstone for example

else you can accidentally spawn a conqueror that will drop no watchstone and that sucks

the conquerors that you beat apear in the middle of the atlas

[violet nymph]

Does the level of each sample effect the level of the metamorph in general?

[jovial hound]

if it requires 4 watchstones to spawn a conq, you need to run a map thats up at that tier level too to spawn it

so 4 watchstones would be tier 14-16

[vapid patio]

so do I socket the 4 watchstones in a atlas region that im missing a watch stone?

example:

[wet plaza]

if you want to spawn it yes

[vapid patio]

Ah ok.

[rare sun]

Haven't played in a few years, anything I need to know for the league?

[neat rover]

new league is ez

just check info about new atlas tho

it is very different now

[rare sun]

Should i kill metamorphs on my way to 90?

[next epoch]

Sure, as long as they aren't the ones killing you

[slate sparrow]

@violet nymph yes

[brittle bobcat]

I'm chasing my last three watchstones and have two of them Not Obtained in the same region. Can I spawn both conquerors in sequence in that region for this Sirus cycle, or is the region exhausted until I've run a Sirus?

[wet plaza]

according to ggg you can now

[brittle bobcat]

Sweet - time to put that to the test then.

[brittle bobcat]

Second conq spawned, indeed works.

[wet plaza]

eyy they did it

[tawny pasture]

i did all 4 in the same zone to spawn sirus

[serene summit]

I killed hunter twice, and redeemer twice

for the area of Haewark Hamlet, I stillt need Veritania the Redeemer and Drox the Warlord to show their asses

[versed marlin]

If you spawn your 4 influences before killing the first conqueror each time you want to spawn Sirus you'll avoid spawning ones you don't need

[vapid patio]

Do the conquerors get tankier each time I fight them? Or was drox an exception? It took me around 1 hour and 30 mins just to kill him.

[storm crown]

Highrt awakener level more life they have

[gloomy bay]

Drox is just a lot tankier than the other three

And his second form gives him damage reduction

[vapid patio]

Second form?

[slender temple]

Kill the flags

[vapid patio]

the flags are as tanky as the motherfucker

is the damage reduction physical only or does it apply to all forms of damage

[azure torrent]

I'd assume all forms. He gets significantly more tanky on my CoC ice nova build as well

[vapid patio]

well fuck

[twin tendon]

if you want any help, i can do sirius kill

[supple falcon]

36 challenge down, done with the league!

[west plank]

Cya next league wav

[supple falcon]

Ye, this league was Beserker with so much damage their Groundslam stunlocked Sirus 8, next league is going to be Grey Spire Jugg for big tanky

[slender temple]

Grey spire?

Searching now

This meme garbage ?

[violet nymph]

Gives up to 4 maxres

So pretty good

[gloomy bay]

@vapid patio when Drox gets the purple bubble on himself, he pretty much stays like that for the rest of the fight

[vapid patio]

If a conqueror spawns on an atlas region are they still able to spawn in other regions?

[copper kernel]

no

[next epoch]

Not until you kill (or at least attempt) Sirus.

[vapid patio]

If my atlas says i've obtained all possible watchstones from a atlas region does that mean no conquerors can spawn there?

[copper kernel]

they can

[vapid patio]

is this before or after atempting sirus

[copper kernel]

if sirus is up they cant spawn

[vapid patio]

the more i learn about the new atlas the more confused I get

[next epoch]

For every Sirus cycle after the first spawn, you have to kill every conqueror exactly once.

You can kill those conquerors in any region, but you only get a watchstone from them if you haven't gotten that watchstone there yet.

When spawning a conqueror in a region, the game will try to pick a conqueror that will give you a watchstone, if it can.

[random shoal]

I am a bit stuck, what should I do here?

[wet plaza]

hover the left side with the 4 grouped slots and put in more than 1 socket in one area to upgrade it further

then complete areas one after each other

[random shoal]

ok thanks 🙂

[wet plaza]

[dusky urchin]

Is there a way to tell if a metamorph could potentially 1 shot you?

Assuming a strong build

I put together a combo of low/high level parts and got immediately 1 shot

maybe it was map mods

Im on a juggernaught 😦

[slender temple]

It's hard to tell

Strong Crits. Nova . Fast. Etc

I made one once that filled the screen in bouncing magma balls. It was glorious but I skipped it

Now that im 98.5 in switching to a poison BV ass to kill metas in case they are rippy

After clearing map and boss

[vapid patio]

usually the metamorph mods I end up dying to are Powerful crits,Frenzy as damaged,cast curse (vunerability for example) and added damage mods

I try to avoid stacking those if I can to avoid ripping in 1 hit

[storm crown]

teleporting + oneshot mechanics is most of my deaths to the metamorph atm

[violet nymph]

fucking join a map, first few seconds are just LAG

[dusky urchin]

Thanks @slender temple @vapid patio

[coral garden]

If u just judge how rippy a metamorph is by the level u gonna have a bad time @dusky urchin

[storm crown]

think alot of players miss what more attributes is added other than the spells... like 4x powerful crits and you are gonna have a bad time

[slender temple]

Hehe yeah

[zenith magnet]

Also map mods

[storm crown]

And awakerner level increase all mods 😂

[serene summit]

how do you get a Sirius to spawn?

[frank hound]

you kill all 4 conquerors and then talk to zana

[serene summit]

and how do you know if they are 'killed'?

[compact junco]

you can see it on atlas

[frank hound]

as soon as the 4'th has been killed you have a quest symbol from zana

to open the portal to sirus

[storm crown]

Middle of The map it tells you when they are defeated

[dusky urchin]

defeated by the way means defeated 4 times each

after that its just once each to spawn sirus

[old peak]

Can someone explain to me how does Paradoxica work? A 150 dps Paradoxica would be equivalent to how much DPS from a regular sword?

[languid path]

depends on how much you invest in flat dmg from other sources

if you have another 200 flat phys, suddenly it's 700pdps

[old peak]

hm so herald of purity works greta with paradoxica

[languid path]

that would make paradoxica itself comparable to a 500dps sword

[old peak]

great*

good to know, thanks man!

I'm planning a Saviour + Paradoxica build, but I don't have much money left after buying saviour, so I'll need to pick a cheaper Paradoxica

[midnight phoenix]

attack speed is the most important mod on pretty much any paradoxica build

dont skimp on that

[wet plaza]

Just have to ask again there is no specific master to get a paradoxica right it's a random safehouse drop

[languid path]

yeah any safehouse boss and mastermind

[wet plaza]

dang so i can run my mastermind too :>

[north sparrow]

Hey
Can i use Animate Guardian with items that is higher than my lvl ?

[slender temple]

@north sparrow it's based on the skill gem not your level

Look at the skill gem and what level of item it wil let you use

[storm crown]

nice my metamorph just dropped an exalted orb 😄

[stoic panther]

Yo guys

I'm having a issue with metamorphs

right now I don't see any buttons or green dudes in game anymore

is there a fix to this?

[haughty harbor]

Are you perhaps playing in standard instead of the league?

[stoic panther]

noep I started as Metamorph leagues with my friends

[haughty harbor]

Which buttons do you mean btw?

[stoic panther]

normally we could summon them

[haughty harbor]

Press V

See what happens

Outside town

[stoic panther]

ok

nope nothing happens

normally I could call Tane regardlss if I were playing alone or in a praty

but then I couldn't summon him any longer

[haughty harbor]

That is very odd...

Check reddit, maybe others had the same issue

[stoic panther]

normally there's a green button there to summon Tane

but it's no longer visible

nor the green dudes that drop the body parts

Ah

I found the reason

I proc some Prophecy stuff

which changes some enemies which also cause them to not drop boady parts

[haughty harbor]

Oh really?

Wasn't aware, interesting

[half sequoia]

whats the new max res needed for a8 ele weakness buff?

before it was i think uhh 109?

[patent canyon]

not worth bothering, just run anti curse flask

[half sequoia]

yeah true but im min maxing a build atm and do run anti curse just like that extra bit of security lol

[stoic panther]

YES FINALLY GOT TANE BACK!!!

[velvet palm]

Add a red arrow next time

[fallen carbon]

What the use of his lab?..last time I had few body parts and thought it can be used in the lab but didn't work, my slots where empty..so are there any other use other than he show up out of nowhere as referee while I beat shit out of a monster?

[patent canyon]

just get more organs

[frank hound]

when you fill the bar in a map you get organ drops

one of each you can put in the slots in the machine in his lab

and summon a metamorph based on those parts to fight

[fallen carbon]

"bar in the map"?.. usually I get parts when I kill monster (vanishes - animation) and the guy shows up ,I fill in and kill the abomination.. so there another type of organ drop?..yeah I saw a meterbar rise when I fill the organ so if I fill it completely will i get new type of organ parts?

[frank hound]

when you put parts in the device the bar rises based on what parts you select, the more to the left the harder the part and the more it fills the bar

if that bar is maxed it drops you an organ (actual item)

that item you can put in the device in the lab

it's the same types: eyes, brains, lungs, liver...forgot the last one

you need 1 of each

[fallen carbon]

Wont it be harder to kill the monster if the bar fill up?. I'm actually at act 6 so I don't think there will be such a powerfull moster that can fill the bar

[frank hound]

yes it will be harder

unique organs only drop from maps onwards from metamorphs

[fallen carbon]

...so I can't play at all..this season is gonna finish soon right at March 9th ..I wont be able to reach act 10 by then

[tawny pasture]

Dude if you cant reach act 10 by march 9th there is a serious problem

[zealous thunder]

lol act 10 is like 10-15 hours even as a newbie really

[solar shell]

How so?

[zealous thunder]

how so is it a serious problem or how so is it 10-15 hours

to be fair when i say newbie i mean poe newbie as in some arpg experience and having watched some guides or sth

[solar shell]

how so 10-15 hours

See that's a time I'd put on a first time player to arpg's as a whole

[barren crescent]

there is no set time for beginner to complete it, lol

[solar shell]

For sure but imo 10-15 hours on act 10 would've made me never play again haha

[patent canyon]

there is a set time

IGN or what was it completed campaign in 96h or so

thats decent goalpost

[solar shell]

I don't understand who these people are

Beyond being first 1 arpg'ers who don't understand stats?

[dark condor]

Playing attack only and reading every story dialogue?

[glad narwhal]

@patent canyon I can't decide which is worse: the IGN review or the Verge PC build

[velvet palm]

cuphead review?

[patent canyon]

havent seen the verge one

is it bad that bad?

[velvet palm]

besides building a computer than literally couldn't run?

[glad narwhal]

If you know anything about PC building, yeah it's very, very bad

[velvet palm]

it's a'ight I guess

[glad narwhal]

It did run though

[velvet palm]

I mean yeah

[glad narwhal]

Which is surprising

[velvet palm]

after someone else fixed it behind the scenes

[glad narwhal]

lol

probably

[patent canyon]

first thing that pops

ok this is gonna be good

[glad narwhal]

Bitwit got in trouble for that

the Verge flagged his video and he was demonetised for a bit I think

I just rewatched the IGN review

hurts

His dps was lower than I remembered

ok the verge video is worse

[eager charm]

the original verge video was painful, bitwit's was a good parody of it

[zealous thunder]

https://youtu.be/M-2Scfj4FZk

the definitive

[glad narwhal]

nice

[brave pulsar]

https://www.pathofexile.com/delirium

[distant scarab]

So, Im starting to feel like GGG is trying hard to push for making it difficult to plan builds with Path of Building eh? lol

[livid apex]

eeeeeeeeeyeah

[elder night]

hmm how do we get out of delirium state?

[distant scarab]

I wonder if the PoB fork will be able to remotely handle this, especially oh man

Oh man, combining these new jewel stuff, as well as with... Timeless Jewels....

I bet itll work too, Timeless Jewels + Delerium Jewel stuff is gonna completely break any attempt to "plan" a top tier build, you basically just gotta go completely off of a "try and see" approach, wow

[copper kernel]

delirium passives cant be changed by other jewels

[distant scarab]

Was that stated somewhere?

[copper kernel]

also i generally think theyre not really in range of any other socket

you can only use the outer sockets

which are pretty far away

[distant scarab]

where have you seen info that delirium passives cannot be modified?

[ripe hamlet]

you can have jewel sockets FROM delirium jewel extensions

test failed try again

[bright perch]

delirium passives might also be deterministic, so PoB could support them. Maybe.

[distant scarab]

yeh you can chain delerium sockets

[brave pulsar]

good thing is the effects are in the text

[ripe hamlet]

oh yes ...

[distant scarab]

Delirium passives already inherently could be supported, because the jewels themselves say exactly what they do and have

[brave pulsar]

whether all of them are supportable is up to pob

[ripe hamlet]

so you can actually sell and buy em and know what you get lol

unlike hubris and co.

[distant scarab]

But the issue is thats gonna be a TONNE of work to add the whole chaining the passives thing

[bright perch]

true

[storm crown]

very interesting new spells 🤔

[brave pulsar]

yeah just get an entire build by chaining voices

[bright perch]

since I play BV pretty much every league on some build, I'm excited to see the blade explosion thingy :D

[distant scarab]

Oh man also comboing Thread of Fate with this new jewel stuff.. mother of god

[brave pulsar]

build your own passive tree

[bright perch]

the wand thing inherently benefitting from spell damage is nice

[brave pulsar]

oh no you can't do that because of socket restrictions

[bright perch]

makes wand implicits not wasted

[distant scarab]

Why cant you do that?

[static snow]

alright since I'm a dumb idiot, it has to be spelled out for me - does this mean that any jewel sockets on the outside of the passive tree will only be able to fit the new cluster jewels?

[distant scarab]

They show on the page a chain that is already 3 long, no reason to indicate you couldnt keep chaining

[limpid current]

three weeks from now:
player 1: how much for this cluster jewel?
player 2: hell if i know, i'll sell it to you for 2c

[eager charm]

@bright perch consider it with twyzel

[distant scarab]

Low Life Wander is back on the menu bois

[limpid current]

@static snow I don't think so, the sockets will work as intended

you can either put cluster jewel or regular jewel

[normal ginkgo]

You can't infinitely chain a tree

can't

[distant scarab]

"Extend your passive skill tree by placing a Cluster Jewel in one of its outermost sockets."

[wide dirge]

since I play BV pretty much every league on some build, I'm excited to see the blade explosion thingy :D
@bright perch wait what blade explosion?

[distant scarab]

Why cant you infinitely chain it?

[wide dirge]

they changed vaal bv?

[normal ginkgo]

A large cluster jewel makes medium sockets, and medium jewels only make small sockets

[static snow]

@wide dirge The new Blade Blast gem

Detonates blades left behind by skills like bladefall, blade vortex or EK

[elder night]

can we get out of delirium state?

[distant scarab]

I see nothing indicating that on the example on the delirium page? Where did you get that info?

[normal ginkgo]

on the bottom of the jewel descriptions

• ziggys video

[distant scarab]

Oh there it is okay

ok so at absolute most you can chain it 3 long

[wide dirge]

sounds interesting, i wonder what is actual usability of that suppor tskill tho

[distant scarab]

Which means it looks like you can have... 1 => 3 => 6 total clusters, so 10 total

[ripe hamlet]

shouldnt this say "and Off Hand item" ... ?

[distant scarab]

I mean thats off of just a single outer socket too, its pretty trivial to hit 3 or 4 outer sockets for a very low cost, they are only 7 passives apart and ride by many powerful nodes

[royal gale]

did you just ask GGG employee where he got that info

[storm crown]

wow animated waepon with blades amazing

[wary smelt]

time for animate weapons to be op?

[sharp iron]

For anyone curious, it would be entirely possible for annointments to be made on the new notable passives with just existing oil types.

Since 3 oils are used for a recipe and there are 12 oil types, there is 12^3=1728, which even counting the 280 notables being added, is still over twice the amount of notable passives in the game.

However, I don't personally think they'll let us access notables locked behind clusters with annointment.

[last river]

Coc cyclone bladefall blade blast spell Cascade?

Basically the same build template as current DD assassin

Only problem is crafting those swords

And the lag

[wary smelt]

pretty sure it wouldnt be worth using annoints for the new notables anyway

[last river]

Lag is a bigger problem than crafting anyway lol

Woke Cascade would be good too

[wary smelt]

with the new skill jewels ur gonna be pretty close to the new notables anyway so ur not saveing that many skill points. better to annoint for something that ur not getting close to in reg tree

[frigid holly]

I winder if the new passives from delerium jewels will put more of a premium on just having more passive points to spend (so everyone will be killing all bandits) - enough to make Scion builds more attractive maybe?

[wary smelt]

kek no

[last river]

Quite possibly yes tbh

Depends on the passives

It'll be an expensive upgrade for sure tho

[lucid stone]

Woah some of these are neat

[gray moon]

are there extra large cluster jewels that make large sockets

[last river]

No

@gray moon Actually yes. It's a particular jewel called Voices

It's unique though and I imagine it'll be stupid expensive to use to its full potential

Like actually a mirror

For all the stuff you need

[distant scarab]

Jesus you know what I just realised.

Golemancer just got heckin buffed

If you can socket normal jewels in those expanded sockets...

WHY CANT I HOLD ALL THESE PRIMORDIAL HARMONIES

[little moat]

can't wait to pick up thousands of splinters

[gray moon]

they actually managed to itemize passive tree even further

game is becoming more "guide unfriendly" every new league

but it's not a problem when you have 1000 hours

eg: if you know how jewels interact with skills or passive nodes interact with items, etc, you'll understand these new league mechanics quite fast

all you need are item descriptions

[bright perch]

if the "add 3 socket" unique jewel is not limited, oh boy...

[gray moon]

pretty sure someone here said its limited

[bright perch]

I wonder what happens if you socket a timeless jewel in a new cluster created by those new jewels :D

[gray moon]

that alone is complex enough for its own league

[distant scarab]

I am thinking itll work

Also, Thread of Fate really gives options for silly stuff

[tropic frost]

its even been confrimed by bex, so yeah

legion jewels will work

[bright perch]

a nightmare for legion jewel diviners

[copper kernel]

how will you reach any of the jewels

[bright perch]

imagine you have to check every possible outer chains as well

[distant scarab]

If Voices doesnt have a jewel limit Golemancer is gonna be completely changed

[tropic frost]

its gotta have a limit

[distant scarab]

I dunno Thread of Fate didnt get one

[tropic frost]

most simple problem would be that the passive tree screen itself has a limtied dragging distance

[bright perch]

imagine no limit and chaining off itself :D

[mystic canopy]

Can anyone still see the dex stacking item on the announcement page? I can't see it and I think they may have removed it

[distant scarab]

You cant socket a large jewel in a large

[bright perch]

yeah, I know

let me dream for a sec

[distant scarab]

The subtext on the jewels specify you can only socket smaller in larger haha

[bright perch]

@mystic canopy it is a jewel, afaik only shown in the trailer

it gives a keystone

[gray moon]

it feels like these new jewel/passive tree style stuff is gonna be rough for SSF

[tropic frost]

i screenshotted it

when it was on the ann. page

seems they mightve removed it cus the value for mroe AS is different than the ziggy vid

[bright perch]

the jewel says 60% more, the keystone says 40%

[gray moon]

so... is this jewel like varunastra?

[distant scarab]

It's still up for me

[gray moon]

you can get counted as two handed and dual wielding at the same time?

and benefit from both?

[timid geyser]

@bright perch It was buffed after press tour. Proper value is 60% more attack speed.

[mystic canopy]

What a totally insane passive

[tropic frost]

i mean thats literally 4500 base dps at 1000 dex

[mystic canopy]

Imagine 1400 flat phys

[tropic frost]

that is not fucking blanced lmao

[bright perch]

they knew exactly which slot to disable to make it not totally busted though :D

[gray moon]

which

[mystic canopy]

Gloves

[tropic frost]

gloves ofc

[timid geyser]

I have looked at it a bit. So far seems like an okay alternative to face breakers. However I doubt it can out damage it

[bright perch]

no insane damage with facebreakers, no easy life stacking and more damage with shaper's touch

[tropic frost]

itd be 35k dps BASE with facebreakers

[mystic canopy]

Otherwise facebreaker would be off the charts dps

[torpid sonnet]

There are still dex to life boots

[gray moon]

i think it can still be busted over time

[torpid sonnet]

Garukhans flight iirc

[tropic frost]

im read to bet itll outdamage facebreakers 3fold

[bright perch]

3 missing slots is a huge drawback, but the base damage it offers is insane

[gray moon]

although, can there be a single handed build that uses gloveS?

[mystic canopy]

Yeah my money's on the dex stacking being stronger

[bright perch]

also you lose tons of gem slots :D

[tropic frost]

the gem slots for sure hurt

[gray moon]

maybe im misunderstanding the jewel, but you can have a single handed weapon and still have gloves and the jewel will work?

[tropic frost]

but that makes it all the cooler imo

[gray moon]

cause it says "or" to each

[tropic frost]

nono

full monk playstyle

[timid geyser]

posted my thoughts over in #1┃build-planning if you want to read https://discordapp.com/channels/174993814845521922/185829045596848129/681972301541146726 I'll be posting a PoB later tonight when I get a chance to work on it.

[mystic canopy]

It means you can't have any of those things

[tropic frost]

no main/off hand no gloves

[gray moon]

oh

[bright perch]

also cannot equip the things for just the gem slots or something

[gray moon]

wish there were more melee skills that don't require a weapon

[tropic frost]

for what we know there might be

2 unnanounced actives iirc

[timid geyser]

Dual strike seems like an interesting option for the unarmed jewel. Otherwise good ole cyclone.

[gray moon]

2? ithought they put info of 3 in the delirium page

and said there would be 4 active gems

is that blade explosion thing a support?

[bright perch]

also "all blade skills" leave blades now. meaning Bladefall, EK and BV.

[tropic frost]

blade thing is an active

[bright perch]

but what about blade flurry?

[tropic frost]

they definetely didnt mention flurry

[gray moon]

bladestorm?

[tropic frost]

but it might be a mistake?

bladestorm wouldnt get it even if flurry did

[bright perch]

whirling blades?

[tropic frost]

blade skills are very green "bladey" looking

so whirling blades might qualify as well

[gray moon]

damn we color coding skills now? lol

[bright perch]

venom gyre?

[storm crown]

so will the passives get revealed or is it gonna be a secret as the season start?

[tropic frost]

oh theyre for sure getting data mined

dw

[slender temple]

whenever the json is available

it will be mined and analyzed

[royal gale]

Radius jewels do not affect Cluster Jewels. We want delirium to affect exiles, not our programmers.

[distant scarab]

Ohmahgawsh

Every league I go "maybe I wont play golemancer" and then shit like this happens and I go "Welp guess I'm playing golemancer"

[timid geyser]

Yo wait, that is fucking crazy for golem build

Didn't even think about that.

Wait delete this @distant scarab

[bright perch]

:)

[distant scarab]

[bright perch]

from the announcement page, it doesn't seem to have a limit as well. But I wouldn't be surprised, if it is limited to 1 on launch

[distant scarab]

I dunno we expected Thread of Fate to have a limit

Golemancer league bois

[bright perch]

just too many build benefitting a lot from 2 additional jewel slots without travel

[distant scarab]

This might substantially shift the optimal golem spread too

[bright perch]

thread of fate kinda has limited applications, which build uses multiples of it anyway?

[distant scarab]

@bright perch there is still travel. You go from 3 points for a socket, to 7 points for 3 sockets

So it basically just makes you saves you 2 passive points

[bright perch]

very efficient nonetheless

well, assuming you can always get a jewel socket for 3 points

[distant scarab]

But many builds often only spend 2 points for most sockets, so 3 sockets would just cost 6 points typically

[deep wave]

noob question here but is 2.33 points per jewel that good?

[timid geyser]

I mean with golemancer you'll see people spending upwards of 5 points for a jewel socket.

[deep wave]

daymn...

[distant scarab]

So its actually -1 passives at that point. Only Golemancer is so socket hungry it would consider 7 points for 3 sockets to be a good deal

Yeh

[timid geyser]

Imagine if old grand spectrum was still in the game

[distant scarab]

I would never spend 5 though. You should only be spending 3 at absolute max for your sockets

[bright perch]

well, now we just need items that add passive points :D

[distant scarab]

I think the key is gonna be rolling Medium cluster jewels with sockets and life passive points

[safe igloo]

that W skill tho

[deep wave]

Would an ED/Cont build be good this league?

[distant scarab]

EDC is always good, especially as a league starter

[bright perch]

ED/Cont has been a great league starter for ages

[deep wave]

2 mil dps with a 6l though

summoners can top that easily

[bright perch]

you don't play league start with a 6l in mind

EDC can clear red maps on a 4 link

easily

[distant scarab]

EDC dps is not the same as other builds

DoT DPS is consistent even when the enemy teleports around. Other builds have lapses in DPS whenever the boss does a jump or teleport or whatevs, whereas EDC keeps ticking the whole fight, so your DPS is much higher

[deep wave]

does it stack?

[distant scarab]

Id estimate for most builds, their dps is gonna be about 30~40% less than their sheet DPS due to mechanics, dodging, etc, whereas DoT DPS is the same as its sheet dps

stack with what? Itself?

Essence Drain cannot be stacked, but, each individual DoT stacks with the other DoTs

[deep wave]

yea, can you apply more than 1 instance?

[distant scarab]

No

[deep wave]

oh...

[distant scarab]

You only get 1, re-applying just refreshes the duration

[deep wave]

i though poison and bleed could have more than 1

[distant scarab]

But yeah so, 2mil DoT DPS is gonna be the same as about 3.3mil normal DPS

Poison and Bleed are different

those are Ailments

Essence Drain is a DoT, not an Ailment

Bleed and Ignite typically you can only have 1, but there are passives and items to let you stack multiple. Poison is the only DoT in the game you can naturally stack, its the exception

[deep wave]

thanks for the explanation

[barren crescent]

this is true for all dot builds that have decent duration

dodging does not correlate to 0 dps

[distant scarab]

Yeah Blade Vortex for example, also its why Cyclone is so stronk, can dodge and keep attacking

[craggy pelican]

guys i have a plan

cyclone > cwc > blade fall > animate weapon > minion life > infernal legion

MI

[copper kernel]

thats some quin tier zdps

[craggy pelican]

nah im gonna be a god

[hushed sequoia]

Soo... will tane be a master? Or is metamorph gonna be 10% ?

[eternal turtle]

Or gone?

[hushed sequoia]

Its confirmed core

[eternal turtle]

I like ED game play.. just find that killing bosses with it sucks so hard

Ohh darn.. was hoping lame was gone

Tane*

[distant scarab]

Honestly Im staring at my Golemancer tree at the moment and Im not like 100% sure that the new tree stuff actually does net me more passive points

I guess I am getting +2 passives, as Im going from 9 points to get 3 jewels to 7 points to get 3 jewels

But I am only in range of the single outer jewel... I dunno if its worth travelling around to any of the other outer jewels after that :x

But if you can get 2 sockets on a medium, based on this pick here:

Then it looks like its 3 more points to get +1 socket there, but the travel node could be a life node if you roll it as a GG one, lets assume its possible to get 4% life

This could total up to 3+4+3+3+3 points to get:
12% life and 6 jewel sockets, at a cost of 16 passive points, which is an average of 2.66 passive points per jewel socket... I think that would definitely be a lot better than "yay some more int and str and dex to get these jewel sockets"

[chrome crypt]

We know if Carto Seals are coming back?

[distant scarab]

Oh yeah looks like you can indeed roll %life passives:

Oh jesus folks I just realized we probably will be able to use Resonators on Cluster Jewels

[craggy pelican]

oh no

[brave pulsar]

assuming they get the right tags

[vast bay]

Resonators?

[lyric meteor]

fossil crafting

[distant scarab]

Delve Crafting, Fossils

[vast bay]

Oh wait.. Yes

I can see that happening.

Still waiting for the timer

As in how zoom zoom you gotta go before being called trash by the poe fanbase

[warm steppe]

I’m dead set on making a monk build now

[storm crown]

🤔 wonder what will happend if you socket 2 diffrent gems with the same passives unlocked into your tree

[scarlet geyser]

what was a reasonable amount of dex on a dex stacking bower in 3.8?

[swift pagoda]

1.2k +

[storm crown]

shouldnt you be able to get as much as the strenght stackers?

[scarlet geyser]

dont remember why, but it always seemed easier to stack other stuff than dex

maybe mainly cuz int gives ES% and strength gives flat life

dont remember

but like, base unarmed attack speed is 1.2, if 60% more attack speed from One With Nothing is final, then base attack speed is 1.72

damn, i was doing math for 10%, it might be really good then?

1200 str is 1682 to 2405 flat phys....

on a ranger

you kind of have a 3.4k+ dps weapon with that

[gray ravine]

So what's the tldr of delirium? Breach 2.0?

[storm crown]

from what i understand the delirium realms difficulty ramps up overtime

[violet nymph]

@scarlet geyser because es an int give life an dexterity doesnt, so many people who choose to go for a dex-stacking build dont realize that life is not something you need

glass cannons need 2k hp

so if you try to go for hp and dex, you will fail miserably

[scarlet geyser]

but how do you go glass cannon with facebreaker attacks as your only option?

but maybe that makes it balanced, since this is a very restricted form of melee (that is also down 10 sockets), maybe it can scale crazy much more than shaper bows did without being ridiculously broken

[storm crown]

best defense is offense 😛

[scarlet geyser]

not when youre taking it to the face xD

idk, i honestly never played very far into the endgame with a real glass cannon type build

i hope Split Personality counts how you allocated and not shortest path, would make it really cool to build around with builds where the passives are in a snaking vine instead of a branching tree

[storm crown]

its allocated

[distant scarab]

Two of my questions answered in 1 day, I am blessed

[kind berry]

What you guys league starting for delirium ?

[scarlet geyser]

this is just a very rough draft with too many points spent, but it seems cool 😛

ill follow something that seems really really OP to do the new content before anything creative

[timid geyser]

Isn't Split Personality just dex/mana or am I missing something.

[scarlet geyser]

yeah, but One With Nothing stacks dex

[timid geyser]

Not worth at all imo.

[scarlet geyser]

i hope there will be something fun you can do with it

[violet nymph]

I was going to try something I've never played before, but now I don't know... @kind berry

[faint basalt]

can someone explain me this? i think i'm really confused now https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/f9g4t0/announcing_path_of_exile_delirium/firzsj6/?context=3

[violet nymph]

I might build hoag spiders again

[silver kettle]

@faint basalt the normal delirium encounters are triggered by you walking through the mirror in a zone, and they last for a limited time. However, you can use the delirium orbs on a map to turn the entire map into a special delirium encounter with no time limit on it

[storm crown]

👍

[native sonnet]

lmao that tree

gonna be nice for guides, u wont get questions like which cluster should i path towards first

[timid geyser]

I'll do a little bit of math and figure out how mana dex you'd actually get by stacking the jewels if you haven't already.

[native sonnet]

96 nodes /5 *5 = 96 dex

basically 1 dex per pathing node

[timid geyser]

So on this tree if you throw the jewel into the 6 furthest jewels sockets you'll get a total of 387 dex or 64 dex per jewel socket. Any jewel before this point you'd be better off putting a double dex abyssal jewel into the socket.

Now with that said I feel like you can optimize the tree around the jewel quite a bit better, but I can't really see it being very practical.

[native sonnet]

yeah, nothing obivous comes to mind yet

[faint basalt]

@silver kettle ty sir

[native sonnet]

betting on/hoping for +1 max chaos res nodes to combo divine flesh

seems reasonable considering we see +2 max fire res nodes

[timid geyser]

I mean it is already kinda doable to hit 90% max chaos res with an okay seed on the timeless jewel

[native sonnet]

how?

i mean, other than getting a gg seed

a good seed probably gets u like 2, 3 would be incredible

ah, i guess the shield uniques

[timid geyser]

Yup

Also stuff like ammy/chest corrupts. Hunter quiver, ect.

[native sonnet]

yeah they tend to not be on my use list lol

true

[worldly scaffold]

if you have enough money just vaal 6s incandescent hearts

for +1 to all

then 6l it using bench

its not THAT expensive

probably like 10ex

excluding the vaaling costs

+10 divine flesh, +1 quiver, +2 jewel, +1 body

[scarlet geyser]

math on the Split Personality is a downer it seems 😦 would be a very weirdly fun jewel if it was good

[worldly scaffold]

link?

[worldly scaffold]

huh... why isnt it good?

oh wait lol I thought it was that new jewel type

and that it created a jewel socket behind it with inc effect

which would be insanely op

[scarlet geyser]

a better socket than +5 mana/dex would have been sick yeah 😛

or better notable*

[worldly scaffold]

tbh it may grab from a pool

and roll stuff like +5 to max life +5 to str

[native sonnet]

or roll up to +10 hmmm

[scarlet geyser]

that would be nice yeah

[worldly scaffold]

which still makes it quite meh

[native sonnet]

the coprrupted part seems to suggest obtainable through corruption

[deep fiber]

The corruption suggests mod pool as well

[craggy pelican]

at the ABSOLUTE max thats 169 dex and mana

[violet nymph]

i bet it's the corrupted soul/pacifism etc but for prismatic jewels

get ready to brick your bad watchers into this

basically

[storm crown]

did timeless jewels work in the new jewel sockets?

cluster*

[violet nymph]

they should yes

[midnight phoenix]

Outer jewel sockets are both jewel and cluster

[violet nymph]

animate weapon working with bladefall is about the craziest thing i can imagine

[midnight phoenix]

So timeless jewels work in those same as live

Most of the shit that gets created on the inside seems to be cluster sockets that work with cluster only

[timid geyser]

@craggy pelican how exactly would you be able to get 169 dex if you can only have at most 128 passive points?

[violet nymph]

nature's patience stationary jugg is gonna be fun as hell by the way

[carmine spoke]

Unless I'm brain dead and did the math wrong if you could fit all 128 points in that threshold it would be 133 dex/mana

[timid geyser]

Probably 132 as I don't think the jewel socket itself counts for the 20%

[carmine spoke]

True

[sharp iron]

If you think about it, the new cluster jewels and the "Voices" unique essentially allows you to build your own class. Since the only difference between the classes are passive tree and ascendandies and we are allowed to completely build out our own sections of the passive tree to allocate.

[violet nymph]

voices is going to be fucking HUUUGEEEE for golemancers that need lots of sockets

[sharp iron]

We can't custom build our own ascendancies, but for the most part we can basically build an entire class for ourselves.

[timid geyser]

Sssshhh, talking about golemmancers + jewel is illegal

[violet nymph]

voices is going to be multiple exalts just because of golemancer

lol

[sharp iron]

Yeah, that's true.

We can't plan around uniques until we know their rarity.

[worldly scaffold]

hell no lucien

[timid geyser]

Every time you mention it you increase the price by 1 ex

[worldly scaffold]

nothing golemancer centered is that expensive

[sharp iron]

Voices. Voices. Voices. Voices.

[violet nymph]

literally get like 3 voices, then 9 of the golem jewels

[worldly scaffold]

if anything its gonna be expensove because 3 jewel sockets is a LOT

[violet nymph]

and you can actually build normal minion setup

[sharp iron]

I just raised the price to chase unique rarity.

[worldly scaffold]

yeah but then your pathing sucks

oh wait no its golemancer, pathing doesn matter

[timid geyser]

TRUE

[worldly scaffold]

unless youre playing a chad 5mil dps elementalist burning arrow with golems

/shameless flex/

[craggy pelican]

spikey with the gem its (.2*passives between start and jewel socket) * 5, your maximum is between 121 and 128 at 121 its 169.4, i rounded down, at 128 its 172.2

[timid geyser]

Ahhh. What is .2 times 5.

[worldly scaffold]

1720% inc effect?

[craggy pelican]

no not 1720 inc effect

[worldly scaffold]

oj wait no

yeah misread that

so jewel still bad

got it

[craggy pelican]

yes

wait i did the math wrong anyways

[timid geyser]

Yeaahhhh.

[craggy pelican]

it +5 lmao

not *5

so its even worse

[worldly scaffold]

you get roughly 1 life per passive point leading up to it

thanks ggg, very cool

lets just hope it has some kind of roll values

[craggy pelican]

even if it does it bad

[timid geyser]

I think the main point behind the jewel is that isn't limited to one so you can string them along jewel sockets as you are pathing. 1 of them is quite underwhelming, but if you have 7 of them averaging 60+ mana per jewel then it becomes a bit more interesting.

[craggy pelican]

i mean, if you pair it with a voices maybe

[timid geyser]

Yeah, that was exactly what I as about to say

In that case it can be a lot more than 60 mana per jewel

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the put a limit of like 3 on the voices jewel.

[native sonnet]

dont think they need to

it only fits in 1 of the 6 large socket on the tree

[craggy pelican]

why wouldnt you want player to have 18 possible branches on the tree

[violet nymph]

level 94 tree if you use 2x voices, gives 10 sockets

for golemancer

[timid geyser]

That is bad for golemancer

[violet nymph]

granted i'm not good at pathing minion builds

[timid geyser]

You want like 15+ jewel sockets

[violet nymph]

oh lol

[timid geyser]

You literally only path for jewels

[worldly scaffold]

yeah and u grab that +1 golem node

and some life on your way

like legit inc minion damage is a waste

[native sonnet]

also u are trading 1 jewel socket + 4 nodes for 3 sockets

[worldly scaffold]

because of how golemancers scale with primordials

[native sonnet]

so 1:1, and then 2 nodes per jewel

basically an efficient jewel socket branch

but not too crazy

[worldly scaffold]

abyss stacking builds are currently nutting I guess

same with facebreaker builds

btw anyone mathed the no glove/no wep jewel?

it seems quite... bad

[timid geyser]

Yeah I have PoB

!pob https://pastebin.com/a8LNB6q9

[rigid lake]

Cyclone - Slayer (Lvl: 96) by: MrSpikey

Defenses

Life: 4,723 (156%) | Reg: 430/s (9.1%) | Leech 945/s (20.0%)
Net Regen: 247/s
Mana: 14/653 (0%) | Reg: 11/s (1.7%) | Leech 131/s (20.0%)
Resistances: :fire: 76(+22) :snowflake: 76(+35) :zap: 76(+4)

Secondary Defense

Secondary: Armour: 34,980
Attributes: Str: 84 Int: 39 Dex: 1032
Keystones: Iron Reflexes

DPS

Total DPS: 7,314,971@ 12.17/s
Impale DPS: 3,495,941
Crit: Chance 74.33% | Multiplier: 335%

Skill

Cyclone (20/20%) + Brutality (20/20%) + Impale (20/20%) + Melee Physical Damage (20/20%) + Infused Channelling (20/20%) + Pulverise (20/20%)

Configuration

Player: Leeching
Enemy: Consecrated Ground, Boss: Shaper, Impales: 5
Playerailment: Consecrated Ground
Playerskill: Infused Channeling

Info:

Pastebin | Web Tree | Web PoB | Web Viewer
Created in Path of Building.

[dreamy karma]

poggers

[worldly scaffold]

thats a great garen

8 mil dps not bad

[dreamy karma]

isnt 8mil rlly low

[violet nymph]

how much life% does a golemancer want

[dreamy karma]

for cyclone standards?

[worldly scaffold]

I mean its unarmed cyxlone without gloves

[violet nymph]

no, it's not low

[worldly scaffold]

or a weapon

or a shield

[dreamy karma]

oh

wait rofl

[worldly scaffold]

I really believed spikey wouldnt push through 1 mil tho lol

im shamelessly stealing that pob tomorrow morning