But can you get non-map bosses like legion generals or atziri with izaro? 
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void hedge
analog flame
Not a book !! Please not a book
void hedge
I can already see people farming legion glacier for those 5 generals for the convinient 5 slots of metamorph boss
runic shard
I think they capped the generals to level of maps, no?
midnight kraken
"You have maximum block chance if you haven't blocked recently" https://tenor.com/view/wonder-woman-cuffs-gif-10415980
Meanwhile Gladiators https://tenor.com/view/wonder-woman-gif-8792094
void hedge
good thing with new map system you can make any map any level you want
runic shard
this should be op
void hedge
I can almost smell the scent of mf deadeyes runnig over t16 glacier with zana legion mod, then scrap dead generals for metamorh boss materials to use rewards on quantity jewelery 
to get that extra 1% quant on amul
😩
barren crescent
💦
steep plover
Have they announced any ascendancy changes for metamorph? I know they talked about Raider revamp, but I havent seen anything
copper kernel
nothing major
livid lake
raider is actually already pretty strong now
daring hearth
That's why it's getting a "revamp" 😭
copper kernel
not any time soon
mellow sun
My search is not working. Google turns up nothing... What ascendancy changes do we know of for Metamorph? Any?
copper kernel
nope
mellow sun
Ah, OK, thanks. 👍
wild arch
So uhhhh, anyone remembers those shitty helmets that gave special ailments?
Would be cool if you could craft those ailments onto anything with the new influences
But it's not like GGG remember about those ailments themselves
barren crescent
I wonder how those helmets interact with new sextants as well
wild arch
They could have had potential 
mellow sun
I just don't understand why we have not seen more ailments along those lines and brittle and stuff on other things...
It is just so awkward they were semi-introduced, we were told hey we'll be adding more of these as time goes on and now nothing
I really love the idea of simply "swapping out" what ailment you are doing based on your elemental damage type or whatever--I hope we see something with that in Metamorph
tidal mantle
well those ailments and the whole idea behind them is shit anyway
ailments need support from passives and items
they cant exist in their own vacuum
signal sigil
void saffron
'tis but a scratch
mellow sun
@tidal mantle Completely valid. Would require all of those things to make them viable; I wonder why we did not see addendums onto existing notables, however, to assist in their viability (or even ways to obtain them outside of the few, select items they did add).
gloomy elm
Best metamorph combo is piety, piety, piety, piety, and piety, BTW
wild arch
Wonder what happens if you combine the trinity and malachai 
slender temple
@gloomy elm thats an interesting thought. will we be able to combine more than 1 of same boss. can we bank infinite "bosses" and combine at our leisure or is it like auto slot that triggers a boss when full
solid thunder
i wonder what hp will the combine boss has if red map boss parts
mystic ivy
Sum of the og mobs hp
craggy cliff
slattt
deep wave
Why does it feel like we know nothing?
e.g. how to get elder maps outside zana
e.g. how does the atlas work in 3.9
e.g. how does metamorph mechanic work specifically
eager terrace
it's nice tbh
silver kettle
I feel like we know everything we need to about metamorph
but yeah, totally in the dark about conquerors
gonna be a fun first few days figuring it all out
deep wave
what do we actually know?
languid path
native sonnet
it is rather exciting to go in without more info
languid path
but it's the same every league, not like we need to know shit, just wait until wednesday and read patch notes
native sonnet
very high potential rewards for those to get there /figure it out first
native sonnet
as some1 said, combine 5 pieties
deep wave
why though?
silver kettle
I suspect you won't be able to use dupes
silver kettle
I know but still
deep wave
cortex, mastermind, Aul, Elder, Hillock
silver kettle
the whole point is to make weird new stuff
it's pretty unlikely that non-map bosses will have parts
deep wave
true
silver kettle
cause league content usually doesn't occur in those areas
deep wave
maybe conquerers?
native sonnet
i hope the boss parts has interesting mechanics other thanjust bigger/more loot boost/icons
deep wave
its a combination of all the bosses's mechanics
native sonnet
yeah i mean more than that
deep wave
wow...endgame farming may be cheap this league
silver kettle
well it does sound like the parts give numerical buffs to the mob as well
deep wave
easy t14-16 maps
native sonnet
yeah, expecting some parts with like x% more life, x% extra fire dmg, x% penetration
wild arch
Chaos reflect wouldn't really do anything anyway since all chaos damage is pretty much entirely dot
rocky nebula
except converted damage I think
deft girder
No one remember apep rage.
wild arch
Scorch, Brittle and Sap have had their value calculations updated to be similar to Chill and Shock's new value calculation.
deft girder
Its out?
wild arch
Balance manifesto mentioned a couple of things
deft girder
Good to see GGG still on the meme.
violet nymph
Balance manifesto amazing
Literally all those changes are good
Mirage archer needed a nerf forever
lyric ore
hopefully its not too bad
range and damage, sure
damage won't matter, range could be sad
zealous monolith
I'm upset about the Spectre at 25 change. Cause that means the nerf only affects some players while doing jack squat for others.
That said, I am excited to see the buffs to Arc
lyric ore
yeah, seems an odd one to target
I doubt anyone is surprised by the general minion nerfs though
violet nymph
This league looks better literally every second
They didn't nerf minions into the ground
lyric ore
and I actually have time to play this one!
zealous monolith
No mention of nerfs to SRS, generic mine supports and Pyroclast. Time to see what the actual patchnotes say.
lyric ore
minions are still gonna be hugely popular I think
yeah im interested to see how onslaught changed stuff
violet nymph
Havoc is probably scrambling to find other techniques for leveling lmao
zealous monolith
You know what I want to see getting nerfhammered? Multi-dipping conversion effects.
zealous monolith
Smoke Mine+Flame Dash was broken on low ping
violet nymph
They shouldve just made smoke mine share charges with flame dash lol
wary smelt
but they did?
violet nymph
Actually kill racers current strats
zealous monolith
it does though
zealous monolith
cause it's 3 charges
violet nymph
Do they do smoke mine flame dash smoke mine?
zealous monolith
And you use two for the big dash
wary smelt
they smoke mine into flame dash
violet nymph
I see
God gotta go back to work
I wanna talk about this shit for hours
The phys/gem hybrid mods being removed needed to happen after legion
zealous monolith
I want actual patchnotes and the new tree. Until then, everything is in vain
deft girder
Probably high impact/chain react is gonna be untouch.
Im hoping ggg give CA explosion more raduis (not the degen cloud) for a dumb idea I have.
zealous monolith
I've been thinking about a caustic arrow ballista trickster, depending on where the ballista cluster is.
Cause the on Kill effects of the ascendancy trigger on totems too if it's dots.
deft girder
Im going for barrage ca hybrid. Probably assassin.
deep wave
wow... spectere changes = 25% damage nerf
ah well... 5mil dps on 2ex is a bit too much
zealous monolith
I'm excited to play what is basically Torbjörn or TF2 engineer this league
Yeah I'm sad about the multimod nerf. One of the few deterministic ways of getting good gear.
deep wave
so now you want at least 2 good mods 😦
zealous monolith
Guess I'll just skip the annul phase of crafting
deep wave
skip the regal-annul too
zealous monolith
Then again my build will likely work with uniques too
zealous monolith
I gotta admit I've never used an exalt for slamming before
steel gull
hopefully cost will be reduced for multimod
steel gull
sad
zealous monolith
GGG only ever nerfs accessibility by making things harder to reach/gated behind more rng.
Did I read the notes wrong? I thought it said up to 3 mods with multimod, so I assume you can multimod+crafted mods?
eager terrace
1 more over just the default craft limit
deep wave
^
steel gull
people aren't sure if it's 3 including the multimod or 3 not including the multimod
steel gull
i'd be ok with if if they nerf the cost too :^]
deep wave
maybe 1ex?
eager terrace
1 ex seems fine
deep wave
1 divine please
zealous monolith
That's kinda why I like it. You get what you want, but with weaker numericals than a natural rare.
steel gull
1 chaos multimod when
zealous monolith
Wallach, are you the author of the Freezing Pulse totems guide?
eager terrace
yeah
zealous monolith
I'm considering either that or Divine Ire Totems as my backup starter, depending on how the nerfs to mines look and how accessible ballistas will be.
deep wave
So is it better to craft with fossils now?
zealous monolith
I only ever multimodded 2h weapons/bows, so idk
deep wave
wait... didnt the devs mention removing %inc attributes?
nvm
Some modifiers no longer appear on Shaper or Elder items, like the "increased Physical Damage and Socketed Gems are Supported By" modifiers on Two Handed Weapons.
zealous monolith
I'm sad about that. I was hoping for a CwC staff this league
eager terrace
DI totems will probably be nice for the new bosses specifically
deep wave
wait... so zombie mace is dead
eager terrace
but I think the clear speed difference is hard to swallow
deep wave
as with all 2h crafting
zealous monolith
How are FP pulse totems at bossing? Especially before you acquire a Soul Mantle and are limited to 2x jewels and a 4L?
zealous monolith
Like map bosses up to deep yellow/early red maps
deep wave
So skitterbots shock nerfed from 20%->15%?
We've lowered the base Shock Effect and Chill Effect of some mechanics that have a guaranteed value. Shocked Ground now has a minimum of 15%, which will affect similar mechanics like Skitterbots, Necromancer’s Corpse Pact and Storm’s Gift.
eager terrace
I've never done it in SSF and I can't imagine getting that far and not being able to get one
zealous monolith
I usually push there during the first weekend and trading is rather limited then.
silver kettle
I basically always find a soul mantle by then in ssf. it's so common
eager terrace
yeah it's really just such a common chest and you can grab whatever appears on trade
even a 4 link is fine
zealous monolith
Ah ok.
eager terrace
the self-flag is usually a bit harder to get super early
zealous monolith
With limited links, would HFT make more sense early, and then you transition into FP totems later during maps after you acquire at least a pseudo 5L?
midnight phoenix
Well ur not playing hft once u get a soul mantle thats for sure
eager terrace
to me HFT would be more of a SSF consideration
that makes sense since you have much less control over the mantle and kikazaru pair
but like in blight I had a 5 link mantle and both rings by the end of the first day
violet nymph
How are templars changing in metamorph?
native sonnet
not
eager terrace
templar's neck gets an inch longer every league
cosmic anvil
2h for me is just a general no go due to having to 6L something i may upgrade ever
slender temple
quaint umbra
zealous monolith
I assume rather than being outright removed, the support mods for 2h will be on new influences.
But we shall see.
low latch
"Sooooo many people were using 2h melee, so, we HAD to nerf that. Zombies get -1% damage. See you guys in Metamorph!"
rocky nebula
Love how the socketed gem support mod gets removed on all 2h weapons but minions get tickled
deft girder
RIP +3 VP bow.
shell ridge
So... Melee meta?
barren crescent
But melee dead, remember?
zealous monolith
Sounds more like bow and totems meta to me
eager terrace
just gonna play FP totems again while nobody's looking
frank hound
my bet is totem/mine/trap meta
eager terrace
sell these bows real quick
violet nymph
we still have no idea what new influence mods 2h weapons are gonna have
seriously
you can get + to all gem shit on AMULETS
TAILWIND on boots
there's gonna be nutty shit on everything
wild arch
I think it's more along the lines of inquisitor meta
That resist ignore on crit suddenly got a lot more attractive
violet nymph
as far as i remember, inquisitor mostly fell out of favor because of the delve helmet mods
but now the extra 10% resistance on shaper-level targets sort of just
wipes that out
eager terrace
I don't think inquis still gets attractive enough
you're still pushing things into negatives with most pen levels
wild arch
Sure you're still in the negative
But 10% less either way
While inquis stays at the exact same damage
wild arch
I'm pretty sure they showed one off
eager terrace
I do think in a budget context inquis improves
wild arch
And it had like 5% extra pen
But we're talking about an endgame support
That you have to grind xp for
eager terrace
yeah though most of the res increase mentioned is on endgame bosses
wild arch
In the boss league tm
eager terrace
I guess what I'm getting at
is I kind of understand why you'd buff inquis
that node did not age well
when the original context of inquis coming up was gwaer asking why they buffed inquis when it was already so good
which... I don't feel is a very accurate assessment of PoE right this second
wild arch
Only things coming to mind are occultist's reduction and eternity ignore
eager terrace
does chaos have a helm enchant or just elements
wild arch
You mean the delve one?
eager terrace
ye
wild arch
It has one
frozen osprey
people are actually theorycrafting about mechanics here already? or is the channel just for later?
eager terrace
mostly for later I think
we didn't actually get much info on league mechanic
or atlas mechanics for that matter
frozen osprey
okay 🙂 does it mean we can create a boss each area while leveling?
wild arch
If you don't rush through and get all the samples I don't see why not
sharp wind
wasn't it 3 things per zone and you need 5 for a boss?
wild arch
But as per usual there's no reason to do the league mechanic before maps
sharp wind
I like to do it the first few zones. League mechanic's a good way to get some early gear.
frozen osprey
ofc there is always a reason to do it - for the fun 🙂
wild arch
Standard morph needs 4 pieces
frozen osprey
don't want to wait hours before actually checking out how it works
plus, better to rip on coast 😄
wild arch
1 unique and 3 rares
When you kill it it drops a special piece
And then combine 5 special pieces for a big boss
sharp wind
I'm actually getting hyped for new league.
void thicket
do we know if the bosses get affected by map mods
eager terrace
it looks to me like there is a separate instance for the bigger guys
like the ones you make out of map boss pieces
I would guess the ones you make in-map are affected by the map mods
frozen osprey
Depends on how quick you can kill the boss. There will be no minions like in blight
lost sorrel
Anyone able to give me a quick in depth idea of what is changing and anything cool i should know about metamorph<
lost sorrel
where tf is the manifesto xD
livid lake
also patch notes are tonight, manifesto is an overview, not enough to know anything for sure.
ember lodge
As long as they leave kB alone, I'll probably be fine. Tried to hold off anything too fancy for my starter 😀
rapid karma
nah im gonna say for sure that minions and melee are dead and nobody should play them based on a few sentences in the manifesto
ember lodge
It's so tempting to jump on the new stuff and I've been burned b4
rapid karma
Join the dark side... join the meta slaves...
sharp wind
manifesto is out. Click bait YTers can make another round of prepatch build vids.
rapid karma
cant wait to see hour long videos about a few paragraphs
sharp wind
go to twitch, they probably making the videos right now for yt.
analog flame
New vids every day from each content creator is inevitable but tbh I read what I want then watch a vid and let them explain it to me
sharp wind
no point doing it before the patch notes tho.
deft girder
Do it the old way by mspainting your idea and hope it works.
frozen osprey
yeah, waiting eagerly for the patch notes
wild arch
Ele hit trypanon raider 
Can't go wrong with that
Remove fire and you got yourself an ez setup with no investment
zealous monolith
I'm waiting for patchnotes and skill trees and a pob fork with the new tree.
silver kettle
PoB master gets the new tree very fast
Though wouldn't surprise me if local still added it faster
frozen osprey
at least 12 more hours till we get patch notes
copper kernel
chances are theyre gonna release them near the end of their work day
frozen osprey
which is more like 16 hours away
zealous monolith
That is good to hear. I'll probably start with something tried and proven that isn't affected by the changes while theorycrafting something that uses the new stuff.
frozen osprey
Shrapnel totem!
zealous monolith
Right now I'm thinking of some jank like Ascendant Hieroeye with Explosive Arrow, Barrage or Scourge Arrow Ballistas
Basically any bow skill with screenwide dakka is fair game
frozen osprey
mh, but why not Shrapnel totem?
midnight phoenix
the guy did say screenwide
frozen osprey
projectile speed increases range? (I hope)
midnight phoenix
shrapnel is not exactly large penis aoe
frozen osprey
and maybe pierce? wasn't fully clear from the video how it works. because I didn't see the arrows "burst" and it has no aoe tag
midnight phoenix
its probably just a really short range split arrow that can shotgun
so im sure projectile speed helps
frozen osprey
but to shotgun I would need to place it in the face of the enemy, right?
frozen osprey
I just don't get the flavour text. Multiple arrows that break into shrapnel.
patent canyon
you are shooting sharpnel instead of arrows that decay after some distance
frozen osprey
so probably projectile speed doesn't increase the range?
patent canyon
doesnt say anything on gem that it increases and from preview you could see projs disappearing after some distance
likely to prevent it being used as offscreening ballista
patent canyon
frozen osprey
@runic zephyr 21:00 CET
dark loom
when do the patch notes drop?
runic zephyr
ah yea so its 21 for me thanks
guess its gonna be an all nighter
but who am i kidding, itll probably be like last league: get ready, and then stuck in queue for hours, and finally give up and sleep frustrated
rapid karma
for me it drops at 3am. who needs sleep?
small mirage
Yikes
dusty umbra
22 for me right when my work shift ends
sharp wind
it's like 10 pm for me but I'll read it tomorrow.
livid lake
lol
its not for definite 10pm GMT
its more like anywhere between 10pm and like 5am, it heavily depends on if there are any major addendums
sharp wind
most ggg things drop for me around that time
livid lake
like the manifesto dropped 2am GMT
sharp wind
I'll just read it in the morning tbh.
dusty umbra
manifesto was actually latest one of reveals
99% of other reveals were ok for EU time
placid mountain
How do ballistas interact with totems?
Im thinking about the +1 totems from hiero, does that affect attack-ballistas?
vast gazelle
slender temple
ok il play jugg RF/SR
patent canyon
be careful not to heal monsters too much
patent canyon
single target doesnt exist either tbh, in a "boss league" with additional life and resistances on mobs, have fun 
low kindle
That's valid for any build, not just rf
Btw rf shits on res already with ee, fire exposure and combustion
Oh well not combustion
patent canyon
you are gonna feel it a lot more on build lacking damage rather than something that has over 1m deeps
timid geyser
RF can hit over 1m dps 🙂
But yeah. RF is petty zdps not gonna lie.
You can also do combustion on a stormfire RF build if you really wanted.
zenith warren
Hopefully zombiemancer doesnt lose more than 50% total dps, then i can play her as a leaguestarter
hot gyro
btw a Question did we still say Shaper DPS ? 😒 when conquerer of the Atlas is out
patent canyon
WOKE DPS
hot gyro
😄
timid geyser
Probably still gonna say shaper dps unless new bosses have even more res/damage reduction
I don't mine "WOKE DPS" though
mortal yarrow
Werent they gonna have more overall
zealous monolith
I wonder if it works well with ballistas
sacred patrol
scourge arrow would be sick, it doesnt have good base so stacking flat ele would be an option
and galvanic/lightning arrow both will do great
and scourge arrow also has that flat chaos, so could go that route
wild arch
Ballistas won't be that great
You lose single hit damage with them at the cost of moving around and placing multiple of them
deep wave
still waiting...
livid hare
we still waiting? (idek where to look)
violet nymph
yes still waiting
livid hare
F
silver kettle
@livid hare easy place to look is #old-game-news
we'll ping when patch notes are up
livid hare
oh ok, cool
rose solstice
PRAISE BE
minor jungle
so
am I drunk
or was there a thing that allowed you to use some melee skills as bow skills
and I can't find what it was
reef falcon
@minor jungle It was a node in a new ascendancy previewed for 4.0
violet nymph
It's good we have nothing spoiled 🙂
upbeat grove
stark tartan
i'm gonna be one of like four people doing a melee build as league starter. gear is gonna be dirt cheap. 😄
will be happy to sell bows to you all at outrageous prices though!
violet nymph
Poison wander start for cheap starter
native sonnet
guess im 2 of 4 then
stark tartan
i see you, melee brother. salute! o7
violet nymph
See I get the benefit of cheap shit like melee while not being melee
Cuz my bis is obliteration
Or a jesus rolled rare. Since we cant craft better easily now
stark tartan
gonna go with herald of agony for that poison wander?
stark tartan
i've heard it's great for bossing
violet nymph
Kb and power siphon
cedar socket
herald of agony with cold irons is a big meme
violet nymph
Power siphon for bossing
cedar socket
just putting that out there
violet nymph
See, but it lacks the clear that my KB will have
violet nymph
My KB will blow up my screen the next one. And the next 2 past that
cedar socket
pure hoag builds aren't clear builds and never will be (hopefully..)
cedar socket
profane bloom is fun
stark tartan
kb was kinda weak when i tried it. must have been doing it wrong. 😦
violet nymph
@stark tartan it's not a killer skill also requires a good wand.
It's for the clear. Power Siphon is your big boy skill.
kb goes on a 4l
stark tartan
why take kb at all then? what does ps lack that makes you want or need it?
curious as someone who almost never plays wanders
violet nymph
@stark tartan kb is a super turbo clear skill
Not meant for anything but that
So kb on a 4l can do hella work for clearing normal and magic mob packs easily. But rares and bosses ps is what you use
stark tartan
ahh, good to know. thank you.
violet nymph
@stark tartan the trick is KB can blast a pack. And on every hit it creates explosions. Which with poison tbh will prob be enough even for rares. But normally you just blast and run. And use some form of proliferation of clearing. (Herald of Ice, obliteration, etc)
stark tartan
i may need to investigate this further. 😄
violet nymph
I can provide a pastebin tomorrow
Also just realized your name is lord kalus. You monster.
compact junco
im suprised they did not touched PS at all :d
stark tartan
is indeed a monster. this is true.
zealous monolith
I'm surprised Pyroclast didn't get touched
yay for maining something that most people consider clunky
stark tartan
i'm probably gonna do infernal blow next league
because dropping tactical nukes on packs is fun
hot gyro
POB - is updated 🙂
timid geyser
Not fork though just fyi.
zealous monolith
Once I've updated my pob I'll work on my jank starter.
The plan so far:
-Ascendant: Hiero/Pathfinder
-Grab Ele, phys to ele and Totem nodes near Templar
-Grab Ballista nodes near Ranger
-Ancestral Bond, Watchtowers, Skirmish Quiver and Hiero is 7 Ballistas. Possibility to use Multitotems for up to 9.
-Use a phys to ele bow skill with it
hot gyro
what was the Code in POb to annointed a point
timid geyser
"Allocates X"
hot gyro
thanks
wild arch
The most exciting thing in the patch notes was reflect immunity on chest piece
wild arch
It's a shaper or elder mod
violet nymph
wait really
i thought it's craftable
oof
lemme check patch notes again
ah true, d a m n
wild arch
The ele hit nerf is sad tho
wild arch
Don't forget the enemies are tankier overall
It lost like what, 200 top damage from each element
wild arch
And no rotc changes .-.
hot gyro
how can i say that in POB
zealous monolith
Which ballista is iron commander going to affect? The lvl 12 (former lvl4) one?
wild arch
Don't think there's any good way @hot gyro
hot gyro
39% increased Damage ?
wild arch
Won't be accurate
timid geyser
No. Just say 39% more ignite damage for close enough estimate
wild arch
Or just pull up a calculator at the end
hot gyro
is also on the burning arrow
zealous monolith
With the nerf to icicle mines and the buff to arc, I might just arc mines
timid geyser
195% more ignite damage for 5 stacks
hot gyro
but stacks ignite?
wild arch
The thing is that burn is its own separate damage instance
timid geyser
It is essential a 39% copy of your ignite that last for 4 seconds.
hot gyro
what is the code for this ?
wild arch
You can't add it in pob as a more multiplier
It will interact with the other multipliers
timid geyser
Throw 195% more ignite damage on a random jewel to get rough idea.
wild arch
Which it won't do in game
Just put your final ignite DPS in a calculator and times it by 2.95 or something
timid geyser
That should also work just fine as well
hot gyro
you mean ignite dps :3
patent canyon
something about this doesnt feel right, dont know why but this corner hurts my eyes now
hot gyro
@wild arch so correct?
timid geyser
For a single stack of the debuff yeah.
hot gyro
and how i put that into the Calculation :3?
timid geyser
What calculation?
hot gyro
the Text to put it into pob or should i wait till the gems are out
still latch
New Rules
Has Shaper OR Elder
HasInfluence Shaper Elder
Has Shaper AND Elder
HasInfluence == Shaper Elder
what do these refer to?
maps?
hot gyro
y
timid geyser
Influenced items. You can combine influence types via awakener orbs (or whatever they are called).
timid geyser
Ahh I'm not really a filter guy so I couldn't tell ya 😦
@hot gyro Just put "39% more burning damage" for a single stack
195% for all 5 stacks
still latch
damn, I wish filter info they give wasn't so vague
timid geyser
Seems a little low, but probably fine.
Looks like you aren't really scaling ignites.
hot gyro
okay they are average values of items
timid geyser
Which in that case I'd instead play something like blast rain.
patent canyon
trying to make voltaxic tree is pain
zealous monolith
What are you running with it?
patent canyon
either scourge or la, if anything fails then 100% shock divine ire
zealous monolith
Nice, let me know if it turns out well!
mortal yarrow
hvande scourge would probably be the better choice, no?
patent canyon
if you want you can do the math
i am just looking at both and havent decided on the one yet
mortal yarrow
bossing or mapping
patent canyon
mapping is gonna be cruise anyway so more about boss damage
mortal yarrow
hmmm
patent canyon
scourge ofc should inflict higher shock but la can hit more often
mortal yarrow
you sure scourge will inflict higher shock?
patent canyon
with blank tree and some placeholder gear scourge hits 4x harder than la
and la counts as 2x
so if my brain is functioning properly its higher
mortal yarrow
hmm
i presume its cause scourge hits more frequently than LA and its chaos damage then
patent canyon
nah the scourge hits less often since you charge it for full
so can la with few hits raise lower shock to same value or no
in the end i think it wont matter and just gonna try what simply feels better
mortal yarrow
probably
personally i would go scourge cause personal preferences cause i dont have a lot of practice and usage of LA
patent canyon
well i have nostalgic value to voltaxic LA when i played it like 4 years back before build was killed
mortal yarrow
go for it
patent canyon
or clear with la and have scourge ballistas o.o
mortal yarrow
that sounds odd
mortal yarrow
is actually in a pretty good spot
zealous monolith
Would it be good with 50% less atk speed?
You'd have 3 base totems, +1 from Watchtower, possibly +2 from Multitotems and another +1 from Skirmish
mortal yarrow
idk if worth
patent canyon
hello there
mortal yarrow
that sounds interesting hvande
zealous monolith
Which ascendancy are you running?
patent canyon
pathfinder for now
considering trickster too but then pathing would be from other side of narnia
mortal yarrow
dont go trickster
zealous monolith
I'm considering Hieroeye or maybe Juggeye myself
patent canyon
but trick has SOOOO much utility
mortal yarrow
do you need the utility doe
pure vault
bleeding gladiator is ok in 3.9?
patent canyon
and allows to use that remaining unconverted lightining damage as extra chaos
with harness the void
zealous monolith
Patient Reaper should work on totems cause it's on kill
patent canyon
i mean i dont care about the on kill part, wont use totems for clear only bosses
i just like the fact that this second 6L you have can be random 6 totems with minimal investment really
zealous monolith
You're also mainly scaling on hit, right?
patent canyon
yeah trying to go above 50% shock
with everything having more hp and bosses being easier to shock i am confident you can shock for 100%
without cheesing with divine ire that is
silver kettle
I'm getting very tempted to play trade league and try to go for a voltaxic eshroud LA build
for the biggest shocks you have ever seen
mortal yarrow
shock us with it viper
zealous monolith
do it!
copper kernel
have fun chancing a shaped voltaxic
zealous monolith
I suspect Mathil will do something with Voltaxic on elementalist
silver kettle
chancing a voltaxic is the easy bit honestly
I imagine buying the eshroud will be much more expensive
and the nice thing about chancing a unique is you get to 48q and 6L it first
patent canyon
well you can transfer influence now so thats a bit easier for that
copper kernel
does that work on uniques tho
mortal yarrow
we will see
copper kernel
yea\
silver kettle
true that
mortal yarrow
hvande
how deep do you think the deepest delve wil be in the awakener kill event will be?
silver kettle
good intermediate before trying for shaped cotbs
copper kernel
probably like t16 lvl
patent canyon
thats 1 month race right?
patent canyon
prob around 1k depth
avg damage of 100k per scourge totem that counts as 300k hit for shock
now to do math how much of a shock that is on something like shaper with new values
no idea why but i either get lots of zeros or some other bs 🤔
languid path
you mean this?
patent canyon
yeah but i dont get where the numbers are coming or going to ._.
languid path
the number in the parenthesis should be a percentage
but the result would be a raw value that needs to be converted to percentage
also 100k hit with voltaxic would count as 400k, 'cause 300% more
patent canyon
yeah so if shaper has 18m hp but his threshold is halved to 9m and you do 400k thats 4.4%
patent canyon
wait why is there 4.4% * 4
languid path
'cause 4.4% is the hit, voltaxic makes it so it would be 300% more, so times 4
oh wait, I thought the hit was 400k
but you said the hit was 100k
patent canyon
yeah i converted it to voltaxic buff
patent canyon
yeah the scourge totems dont stack shock at all, it goes up by like 0.4% with every hit
wild arch
Having a hard time deciding between puncture or split arrow with flat chaos for poison
agile pawn
Manifesto: Some modifiers no longer appear on Shaper or Elder items, like the "increased Physical Damage and Socketed Gems are Supported By" modifiers on Two Handed Weapons.
Patch notes: Nothing
???
languid path
Hybrid Physical Damage and Support/Spell Damage and Support modifiers can no longer roll on two-handed weapons.
wild arch
Flat chaos is nice and all, but Phys can be further scaled with added as chaos
Then again I can just do split arrow with phys to chaos as well 🤔
All those extra arrows are pretty hard to beat
agile pawn
@languid path What does this mean??? Cast on crit is a support modifier????
wild arch
Time to join the rest of the plebs with 6 link coc
languid path
well, you could also read it as
hybrid physical dmg and support + hybrid spell dmg and support
which would exclude coc sword, cause coc mod doesn't have spell dmg
but who know ggg
wild arch
That asenath on hit tho
dusty cove
So LA and voltatix will be shock as if dealing 500% more dmg?
plucky frost
Yep, so you get increased damage taken
paper bear
Voltaxic expensive again
stark tartan
someone filed a copyright claim against me for a track i published 7 months before theirs. 🤔
surreal cliff
How do we farm Voltaxic Rift?
copper kernel
same as any other random unique
cunning blaze
I'm trying to figure out how valuable reduced enemy physical damage reduction stat is
which is a stupid name btw. Armor penetration is a better name, even though the mechanic is inaccurate
but without knowing the armor values of bosses, it doesn't do much good
paper bear
You can farm tranquility from peninsula @surreal cliff
cunning blaze
if they had 1k armor like people claimed in 2013, then its still nothing
bleak crypt
bosses having 30k+ armour sounds more realistic
30k armour would reduce a 3k hit to 1.5k. so i think they will have much more to have a significant effect on players
surreal cliff
@paper bear how do you know? penisula is a legacy are according to wiki
Fields map / and act 7 Ashen fields only place for it to drop now i think
cunning blaze
30k armor now or prebuff? Because 30k pre-buff would now translate to 800k armor
which would require an 80k hit for 50% reduction. Which in turn makes armor penetration much more valuable
wild arch
Waaaaait a minute
So the new explosive arrow combines the damage of all arrows into the explosion and then adds some fire damage, right?
amber sky
since it was added as a stat, i don't think its 100% useless to grab armor pen
my question would be how much % could you get
cunning blaze
As melee, probably around 30. As bowyer, if you use 1 lioneye you can go 39, with a second lioneye 51
but the weight of armor penetration depends on the armor of bosses
could still be worth to spec into it if you use small multiple projectiles
native osprey
patent canyon
unless they make mob armour go into 100k and above its worthless stat
carmine hinge
there's the voltaxic rift prophecy questline that got used by nobody ever
it'll probably be really valuable if voltaxic's rarity is bumped to match its power level
wet plaza
voltaxic already is kinda rare its just absolutely not used now
patent canyon
i think its T2 or maybe even T1 rarity
north dragon
dusty cove
Voltaxic is rare as a drop but fairly common as a card
static token
Has anyone seen an updated tree that highlites what's new?
dark condor
http://www.poeskilltree.com/?v=3.8.0&c=3.9.0-pre
Something like this?
static token
Sweet, thanks
wild arch
What do you mean?
wild arch
Oh you mean raise the metamorphs as spectres?
spice cipher
light solar
yes
wild arch
Highly doubt they'd allow you to raise those
wild arch
I'm confused by their explosive arrow explanation
Do the arrows themselves do no damage and instead add the damage they would have dealt in the final explosion?
violet nymph
@static token http://www.poeskilltree.com/?v=3.9.0-pre&c=3.8.0 this is better for viewing differences
leaden cypress
the first arrow that hits starts a timer, when that reaches 0 it explodes (+ all arrows stuck to the target) doing damage. When it explodes the first arrow calculates if ignite happens, but all arrows individually crit.
static token
Nice, thanks
wild arch
That still doesn't clear it up
leaden cypress
the total damage is done as one hit, though
wild arch
Ok so the actual arrows impacting the enemy won't do damage?
wild arch
leaden cypress
also the first arrow that explodes is the one that would cause your on hit effects
wild arch
So all 10 or whatever arrows will count as if the enemy was full life?
leaden cypress
yeah - id imagine that every explosion for the first one that explodes would get 100% crit
wild arch
This sounds a bit ridiculous tbh
leaden cypress
its probably pretty good. You might even been able to use like inc duration to extend the amount of time you have to stick arrows to it for a bigger burst
wild arch
You can go perfect agony and fallacy
Just hit 50% crit chance and let this cover the rest
leaden cypress
but that is kinda what that node is for - expects you to use hard hitting skills instead of fast hitting/DoT
wild arch
The new explosive arrow is a hard hitting DoT tho
Why stop at ignite tho
You can do it as bleed or poison as well
If not both
Pathfinder can abuse the hell out of poison prolif
Since you can just make one gigantic poison
violet nymph
who needs prolif when your skill hits everything in the next 10 miles
wild arch
Why stop there when you can sweep the entire map with 1 poison?
violet nymph
i mean, cuz KB exists
also i have 3 forms of on death explosions built in.
so if the poison kills them everything dies anyways
coarse moon
I honestly don’t have a good read on it bc I’ve never played a pure single hit poison
and like, even footage I’ve seen of pestilential strike is using ancestral and like
violet nymph
i played both last league. can say it's plenty large
coarse moon
what it might be is a kinda tiny aoe that just ramps quickly since the poisons kill trash really fast
also it can be scaled with aoe
wild arch
I just hope it's enough to spread between legion soldiers
coarse moon
it is
legion is when I did my poison stuff
the only thing is that it only spreads 1 stack of poison iirc
so you do want a skill that can cover a lot of ground anyways
since legion shit is thick
coarse moon
and use plague bearer to aid it
violet nymph
Is storm brand getting nerfed or are the only changes this league coming to bows
silver kettle
There are changes to other things but not Storm Brand
limpid wigeon
guys check my math here
assuming that barrage support is 65% less damage at level 20
the base damage numbers for galvanic and ice shot would look like this right
Galvanic
99% * 0.35 = 34.65, 6 Arrows = 34.65 * 12 = 415.8%
Ice Shot
174% * 0.35 = 60.9, 4 Arrows = 60.9 * 4 = 243.6%
since galvanic has 3 arrows base, and the aoe goes off for each arrow
seems like a very large disparity
wild arch
Some of the bow skills seem to have whack interactions with barrage
limpid wigeon
naked scourge arrow is still higher damage effectiveness than galvanic with barrage 
416.5% if my math is right
patent canyon
but you can add projectiles to barrage skill
wild arch
Speaking of barrage, how's this lvl 92 tree for poison explosive arrow?
patent canyon
you cant on scourge
limpid wigeon
poison EA? why not poison split arrow
wild arch
Because big poison
wild arch
107%
patent canyon
nice
limpid wigeon
lol
wild arch
Might need a bit more
limpid wigeon
yeah you reckon
patent canyon
at that point just remove the 107 you have for more damage
wild arch
Good idea
limpid wigeon
i have a feeling metamorph is going to be a very unprofitable league
and people are going to skip it immediately
except for big bosses
wild arch
I have dodge so I just need to not get hit
deft girder
Volkuur's Guidance?
wild arch
What about them?
deft girder
Getting EA to poison.
wild arch
Nope
limpid wigeon
what
wild arch
Assuming that me and everyone I asked read the description correctly, the reworked EA stores the damage of all the arrows and combines all their damage in the explosion
fading cedar
Is anyone not impressed by ballistas? Will they do enough DPS?
limpid wigeon
where does it say that franken
wild arch
So if you stack 5 arrows that are supposed to do 100 phys damage then the explosion will do 500 phys + whatever the flat fire on the gem is
limpid wigeon
i dont think it says that?
wild arch
It does the damage of your arrows + flat fire
deft girder
I was wondering what you gonna do with the added fire damage.
limpid wigeon
im pretty sure your arrows dont actually contribute to the explosion
deft girder
Yeah you have to use the gloves to make fire poison.
wild arch
however each arrow calculates it's own damage, including critical strike chance and damaging ailments independently, and these are summed to create one hit.
limpid wigeon
yeah so like
patent canyon
thats explosion
limpid wigeon
when you shoot
the explosion charge goes "i am going to do 300 fire damage, and i critted, so i will actually do 600"
patent canyon
your initial hit does damage its not stored
limpid wigeon
and then adds it all together for the big one
patent canyon
otherwise its straight up 2x
wild arch
If two other arrows were also attached at the point of the explosion and they successfully rolled to critically strike, they will add their critical strike damage to the explosion, and the explosion will cause an ignite from their summed ignite damage.
limpid wigeon
yes i know
wild arch
Why is it talking about combining the arrow damage if it doesn't fucking combine anything?
limpid wigeon
chill out my man
it does combine
every fuse does individual damage
combined into the explosion
just not the weapon damage
since that happens when you hit
deft girder
Wait so if one fuse crits, all fuse will ignite? Just that one fuse benefit from crit damage?
wild arch
Explosions now also deal added fire damage based on gem level, up to 522 to 783 at gem level 20 (from 586 to 879).
patent canyon
that explosion is combined
wild arch
So you're saying that every arrow adds 522 to 783 fire damage at the end?
limpid wigeon
so lets say that a fuse does 600 damage right
and you have a crit multi of 200%
you shoot 4 arrows into the enemy, only one of which crits
patent canyon
yes, every arrow adds that amount
wild arch
That's even more ridiculous then
limpid wigeon
and it counts as a crit
patent canyon
yes its big boom boombs
wild arch
In that case I need volkuur's
patent canyon
but downside is fuse time while mapping
deft girder
I wonder whats the odds of no critting on 25% crit on 17 fuse.
patent canyon
1s every pack adds up
patent canyon
yeah the constant delay
limpid wigeon
i mean it does but not much moore than a regular ignite build if you're running prolif
patent canyon
and you wont run into packs on t16s while charge is set
unless you build for tank stats
wild arch
In this case the weapon's damage doesn't matter at all and you just stack attack speed
limpid wigeon
gem levels
patent canyon
yes, and gem levels
wild arch
15 base with up to 19 extra with 10 arrows
patent canyon
ignite prolif takes care of aoe
deft girder
34 before increased aoe. 🤔
patent canyon
and you are not stacking on packs
wild arch
That's 2 attacks with barrage
patent canyon
you need like 2, 3 charges to clear
deft girder
Someone suggest running EA on mines to overcome its mana issues.
limpid wigeon
i mean its a little over 2
but even 2 attacks with barrage isn't super easy to do
in a 1 second window
wild arch
34 base range with 10 arrows
deft girder
Also you can easily hit insanely high "attack speed" with mines.
patent canyon
traps do, mines auto target
wild arch
They'll probably shoot at whatever is closest
deft girder
I guess its fine on trash but boss with adds will be annoying.
Not alot of boss have tanky adds though.
limpid wigeon
i think EA will probably be very strong
idk about poison though
seems like an odd way to do it
split arrow seems like a far superior way to do it
deft girder
A meme way. 
limpid wigeon
or even scourge arrow now it has so much flat chaos
wild arch
PF prolifs only one poison
limpid wigeon
its not like you need a big poison to clear packs
since it refreshes the duration every time it prolifs
wild arch
I'm building this around wiping legions and blights
limpid wigeon
sounds similar to jousis' forbidden build 5
deft girder
Could run blood magic on non mine EA.
wild arch
Where do you think I got the inspiration from
As long as the explosive poison can melt a rare it's all good
deft girder
I guess I'll try a mine version.
wild arch
Quill rain looks pretty juicy with the little buff it got 
midnight phoenix
It went from worse than tempest for any build that cares about damage
To like
Very slightly better
If u use no added dmg at all
wild arch
Hold up
I just re-read the preview announcement thing
Now, each arrow's explosion will deal a portion of your base weapon damage, with a large added fire bonus and the full effect of any other added damage.
patent canyon
that was preview thing, it didnt make it in
and thank god for that or skill would be even more dead than it was
patent canyon
the reason is because that would just make skill directly worse
wild arch
In what world would that make it any worse?
The only way I see it being made worse is if you're scaling the actual hit with equilibrium
patent canyon
why would you want to do hit build with that
wild arch
That's what I want to know
midnight phoenix
The hit and explosion both add weapon dmg to the base dmg
50% to the hit and 100% to the explosion
midnight phoenix
Rory
patent canyon
after or before notes?
wild arch
Where
midnight phoenix
wild arch
Why is it not showing up on the tracker
patent canyon
oof ruined skill
hot gyro
At it was what
dusky tendon
sire of shards + new ring, here I come
wild arch
exotic valve
So is dark pact a nova skill or are only skills that have nova in name nova skills
wild arch
That's a good question 
exotic valve
I guess shock nova totems are a thing now with the ring
lucid stone
Shockwave totem?
rare valve
It does say "Instead of around you"
not "instead of around the caster"
might not work for totems
patent canyon
totem inherit your stats
rare valve
They however don't inherit things that affect "you" in most cases.
wild arch
They are not you except when they feel like it
twin rampart
EA still good
eager charm
wild arch
Neat
Was digging through the wiki and discovered that with goddess scorned, dyadian dawn and one of the new passive nodes, you can achieve 93% faster ignites
With pure file ele hit you can make some silly build which has near instant ignites
deft girder
I assume the duration is the same?
mortal yarrow
Viper, how would you think the newly introduced ring would work in vortex cold snap?
silver kettle
very well I imagine. placing vortex wherever you want it seems very good. certainly fixes the only annoyance I felt when playing the build last
mortal yarrow
Hmmm, did they mention drop place for it yet?
silver kettle
you can safely assume it will drop from the endgame metamorph bosses
(the ones made by combining map boss parts)
mortal yarrow
Sad life
deft girder
Kinda sad that vp got dropped on bow. They did add dot mods on suffix..
lucid stone
Ranged Discharge? 🤔
covert venture
zealous monolith
Is it just me or does the scaling on Ensnaring arrow look pretty nutty?
limpid wigeon
Nutty? Its 1% more than IS with no flat
midnight phoenix
Its basically projectile weakness that costs u a gem slot and an attack every so often
ie its frost bomb
So i expect it to be used in a similar manner as a 1L utility bossing skill or as a 3L with curse on hit
Certainly wouldnt be doing dmg with it
leaden cypress
How broken is using something like empower or +gem level on these awakened gems going to be?
lvl 5 max by default
get one of the like +7 fire gem setups going or something with that o_o
zealous monolith
Empower increases the level of supported active skill gems
leaden cypress
ahhh true...rip
even still, the like +gem level items do all still yeah? Its like starting with a lvl 25+ gem base and then adding on to that
quiet geyser
How will explosiv arrow work?
If i have 5 arrows stuck in the target, does it then deal 5x 522-783 dmg?
deft girder
Man that woke curse on hit is nuts.
dawn radish
Hi guys, do we have any information about metamorph boss content in maps