But knowing how sire of shards interacts with volley it'll be horrible
#1┃mirage-league
wild arch
violet nymph
Lol
wild arch
Unless they fix both
drifting solar
@violet nymph @wild arch
Okay um
How do you 2 expect to use a staff with bow skills
wild arch
How would I know
drifting solar
:v
violet nymph
We don't
wild arch
@mortal yarrow you can easily make poison deal a good amount of damage through items and tree alone
mortal yarrow
you can indeed, but you gotta remember the amount of damage reduction he is going to be getting using that garbage
wild arch
Literally all the extra projectile supports have projectile reductions
Which doesn't affect poison in any way
mortal yarrow
thats why the guy used HoAg as your carry
which will still be garbage
and when i say damage reduction i mean in overall damage he could be getting literally doing any other build
you can use literally any other setup and it will most likely be more efficient
mortal yarrow
welp you guys do that then
cu 3 days after the league has begun when you reroll a character
wild arch
I usually reroll on day 2 
mortal yarrow
even worse
wild arch
I jumped the handcast bandwagon back in synthesis
And rerolled after reminding myself that I don't like es builds
mortal yarrow
wild arch
I don't really like spells either but that's unrelated
mortal yarrow
yikers
wild arch
I did that only cause I found a 500 something pdps hammer on the ground
wild arch
Mistwall looks fun on dodge builds
patent canyon
the more i look at it the more of trash it looks to me
it only applies to attacks that evasion is already good at
and biggest downside is that its a shield
wild arch
Gladiator applies it to spells as well 
But seriously, it seems to be a last resort sort of thing
Like when dodge and evasion fails
compact junco
its 16% ms, huge boost for dodge builds, and also ele damage avoidance on top, its great
wild arch
And if you are unlucky enough to get hit a second time within 4 seconds you have another 9% (most likely variable) to avoid elemental damage
lucid stone
Seems like a good defense for anything that doesnt get hit a lot
wild arch
It's finally an actually decent shield for raider
patent canyon
yeah but most of the time you are going dual wield
lucid stone
Unless you want defense over damage
wild arch
A choice between 15% more attack speed and 2 extra defensive layers seems reasonable
lucid stone
I wonder if it's worth using on glad and not touching block otherwise
Is non-block glad a thing?
wild arch
Kinda
If you go all in on bleed
If you're investing 2 ascendancy points for spell block then might as well go all in and do it properly
With the rumoured raider rework this shield sounds all the better
compact junco
its not that good with raider imo, you will be at 99% attack avoidance just from some eva + onslaught node
so getting 75% block on top of that will not do much, its like minuscule increase
lucid stone
It makes that block passive by ghost reaver good
patent canyon
wasting slot just for that 1%
compact junco
yeah, its way better if your avoidance is lower because it will boost it by huge amount, but on raider i would just grab something else as its not necessary
lucid stone
Good on witches maybe?
patent canyon
its very very niche shield
yeah you could use it on some defence lacking spell caster
lucid stone
I think it's a spell Trickster shield
compact junco
its great for basically any regular dodge build. it will work with anything that takes phase acro and acro imo
wild arch
Could have some uses with wicked ward
The elemental avoidance while phasing will apply to spells 🤔
wild arch
Thinking about raider reminded me that frenzy barrage can be a thing 
patent canyon
true
lucid stone
Frenzy barrage coc discharge
barren crescent
needs to be in a bow itself, too many supports gone
wild arch
Discharge in asenath's chant
wild arch
Wouldn't be a huge loss if you keep it at minimum arrows
jovial sleet
who the heck is the awakener? one of the 5 bosses or the ultiamte boss?
wild arch
Yes and yes
wild arch
Considering that up until this point the final bosses were the shaper and ** the elder** I think it's safe to assume that his name is literally the awakener
silver kettle
yeah I agree
I mean the name "the awakener" has never been mentioned before now
cause at exilecon they were referring to it by a codename (Orion)
eager terrace
so I guess the big boss is supposed to be the one that "awakened" the other diety type things the other exile bosses seem to be possessed by?
wild arch
Orion the awakener? 
patent canyon
and with fully socketed atlas he is woke af
silver kettle
oh nvm I was wrong
Using the power of Sirus, Awakener of Worlds, you can fuse together any two influenced items to create a hybrid with mods from both of the items.
on the conquerors minisite
eager terrace
well I figured that was an NPC
silver kettle
still, both a mention and an actual name for him
violet nymph
yeah no, 5 conquerors, only 4 influences.
that's why he's not just an npc for fusion. we have to beat his ass to fuse shit
which tbf with some of these mods. i can see why
wild arch
As nice as bows are, ancestral call craft on gloves is just something else entirely
barren crescent
Harder than UE, so instant one shots
violet nymph
Hmm seems like its going to be a bosskilling league? not a speed map clearer?
soo kinetic blast 4L with a 6L barrage maybe or??
silver kettle
every league is a clear league to some extent right
violet nymph
tru
silver kettle
but yeah, boss killing is much more important than in the past couple of leagues
definitely don't play something with bad single target as a starter
barren crescent
Viper I don't envy your position as reddit mod atm, all the 
of MF TS players
wild arch
Poison barrage gonna be wild
wild arch
Assuming the bosses aren't poison immune
wild arch
Good old viper strike assassin with coc firestorm is guaranteed to kill anything eventually
barren crescent
assuming you won't get the casual 50k instant dmg to the face
copper kernel
yeah you, from old age
alpine flare
Good league starters?
wild arch
When in doubt: essence drain/contagion
alpine flare
What assedancy with that
silver kettle
trickster
wild arch
Idk probably trickster
silver kettle
but honestly it's better to wait until we have the patch notes
cause right now we can suggest a couple of safe choices
but after patch notes we can give a more complete list of options
eager terrace
yeah check back on the evening of the 11th
alpine flare
Will do! Thanks guys.
mild coral
Arc witch
alpine flare
League hits the 13th right?
silver kettle
yeah
mild coral
Arc witch is always a safe league start.
wild arch
Skeleton league confirmed
silver kettle
it's okay, it's saturday the 14th for GGG so no jinx 😄
mild coral
It's cheap, stupidly powerful, and easy. And by the time you get Arc, you won't have Mana problems ever, even with MOM.
(Assuming Arc doesn't get nerfed into the ground next week, but don't think it will)
Burning Arrow would also likely be a good and safe bet.
Esp since it's getting buffed.
wild arch
You can make any build safe by going jugg
mellow zenith
I've been doing Arc for blight and it still feels great.
mild coral
Arc has always been amazing
And it's awesome to basically need two kills from 12 to Uber elder
deft girder
I can't wait for next week major data release. 
Hype for ballista totem. Hopefully the totem count is pretty good with the new passive and probably items buffs.
wild arch
Gotta keep it fair compared to spell totems
silver kettle
well it looks like the route is to differentiate it from spell totems by providing a much higher totem count but less damage per totem
silver kettle
yeah
although, given the higher scaling potential for attacks compared to spells, that's going to happen when your budget is high enough
deft girder
There are bow skills who really benefit from attack speed. EA being the new one now.
Well more like pew pew as much as possible.
eager terrace
I am just more concerned about QoL
wild arch
What else is there apart from toxic rain
eager terrace
you have to drop them at feet unlike other totems
deft girder
Explosive Arrow, It kinda benefit attack speed much like TR.
eager terrace
I can't tell if I'd commit sudoku trying to map
deft girder
I think people might go ballista or barrage EA.
wild arch
I'm not so sure about EA barrage
Considering that the explosion now scales off projectile damage
silver kettle
barrage seem good if you're an ignite build
wild arch
Exactly
silver kettle
if you're hit scaling then shrug?
silver kettle
at least based on the info from yesterday
cause if you're hit scaling it doesn't sound like there's any inherent payoff for having more fuses stuck in the target
deft girder
The explosion raduis I suppose and some damage. There is a cap.
Unless I misread how stacking works.
silver kettle
the radius caps really fast
torpid sonnet
I feel like the lack of a less DoT mod on the barrage support they showed might be an oversight
eager terrace
cap on AoE tho
torpid sonnet
otherwise its really strong
silver kettle
and it doesn't sound like you get more hit damage by having more fuses, all other things being equal
wild arch
I feel like galvanic arrow might be the best skill for hit based barrage
silver kettle
i.e. the damage of one ten-fuse explosion is equal to the damage of two five-fuse explosions, not higher
deft girder
I guess that true for ignite and poison build. Barrage downside is the clearing though unless you have fork/chain.That fork quiver would be pretty good.
Thought its a shame that barrage may or may not work with bow skill that shot up.
wild arch
It won't with the default ones
It will however work with arrow nova
But you will miss out on ridiculous amounts of projectile damage
deft girder
Guess we can wait until 13 or GGG stating it doesn't work.
wild arch
How would it work on rain of arrows?
Surely they would have mentioned an interaction like that
Considering that they mentioned power siphon and split shot being good
deft girder
Its not very clear if it would work but it might not because something similar happens when you try RoA + volley.
PoE has alot of vague things so we can wait and test when its out.
wild arch
After thinking about it more that shield sounds really nice on assassin
Grab both acrobatics and the elusive node
And you're set
All that's left is capped resists and some life
violet nymph
maxdodge maxblock maxevasion gladiator
one day i will make a build like that
and never die
timid geyser
Yea, was looking at it earlier.
.2125% chance to get hit if you go full block chance with 83%
4.25% chance to get hit by spells
Biggest problem is you get clapped by DoT
slender temple
wild arch
You can make yourself immune to some DoTs
But the worst offenders are the cold and extremely rare lighting ones
Oh shid
Viper strike bino occultist with acro/elusive/that shield 
timid geyser
I should have clarified. You are a lot weaker to DoT relative to hits.
eager terrace
from what we know
it seems like 4 influence bossers and then the 5th big one is how you fuse influence types
maybe they have typed attacks though
wild arch
There definitely seemed to be that cold chick and lighting templar dude
When can we expect the ascendancy changes?
violet nymph
Fire seems to be the big asshole who fuses shit
So, choas and phys are left for the other two
wild arch
Too bad they can't do a pure chaos boss 
violet nymph
True. Cuz CI exists
wild arch
What if CI just made chaos not bypass instead of straight up immunity
I actually want them to start pumping up the chaos numbers so chaos resist becomes a relevant stat you need to think about
copper kernel
lets just make shavs useless and make every es build lowlife
wild arch
But why
Removing the chaos immunity from CI would make occultist a more attractive choice once again thanks to the 60% resist node
wild arch
Always full life and doesn't sacrifice an item slot?
Removing it doesn't sound bad either but that's a bit drastic
barren crescent
If it would make chaos dmg to not bypass ES and give some other benefit, then I could see this as interesting option
wild arch
As it is right now they can't do anything with chaos damage just because of one shitty keystone
barren crescent
like +20% chaos res and something funky
wild arch
Or better yet make it less chaos taken
barren crescent
funnily enough reduced is better for dmg mitigation purposes than less
wild arch
LITERALLY ANYTHING BUT IMMUNITY
deft girder
Maybe lower base shield recharge if chaos damage taken recently.
That be weird to code though.
rocky nebula
maybe change it to unaffected by chaos damage over time?
or immune to chaos damage over time
deft girder
Nooo my TR.
low kindle
CI with shavs effect wouldn't make shavs obsolete
Because you can't play lowlife with ci
With that said, it should give like 100% chaos res imo
dusty umbra
just give us chaos dmg doesn't bypass ES with one of new exalts
deep topaz
guys, how do you think elemental hit will do in the new league
rapid karma
Wait for patch notes to be sure, but I imagine it will still be solid unless it gets some heavy nerfs
Elemental hit has been top tier for a while now
deep topaz
how does it do in delving thought, is it really bad because of no slows
rapid karma
Doesnt seem to bad for delving
Last time I played Ele hit it had good bossing too, so probably a great skill for next league
deep topaz
cool, thx! Furthermore, how do you guys think it will be the best way to level rangers next patch? I am thinking about those new balistas.
ember lodge
Galvanic arrow is looking very good for levelling imo
rapid karma
Yeah galvanic looks nice. You could always go the tried and true split arrow into rain of arrows for leveling as well
ember lodge
Galvanic barrage... Drool
rapid karma
is galvanic the new one that has increased AoE with higher projectile speed?
ember lodge
Yup
rapid karma
Oh that is a juicy combo then
wild arch
It's not new tho
It's just a very slightly buffed and renamed shrapnel shot
But all things considered it's probably the skill that will benefit the most from barrage in a hit build
formal crypt
Siege ballista?
wet plaza
yes*
native sonnet
Me ballista
wet plaza
don't see why not, shouldnt be any issue
wild arch
Eeeeeh
The penalty for generic shotgunning is pretty harsh
And I don't think they can reasonably nerf the fringe cases without ruining the rest
This is just level 5 so the penalty won't be as bad later
On a standard skill you fire 4 projectiles that deal 31% of the original damage each
Can't math atm but basically rain of splinters will be somewhat ok with single arrow skills and get progressively a lot worse for every arrow thereafter
ember lodge
I do hope barrage works with power siphon, would be nice.
wild arch
It was mentioned
ember lodge
Really? Can you remember where because I've missed that.
wild arch
The exilecon reveal
ember lodge
Awesome I'll try to locate it ty
violet nymph
Don't think so. Barrage Support has "Bow" in it.
Sorta the same as the Rage Support not working with anything other than Melee.
ember lodge
It also says 'Supported skills can only be used with Bows And Wands "
wild arch
Puncture also has both melee and bow tags at the same time
wild arch
The penalty is for projectiles only tho
zenith warren
So when i use the fire arrow for the stacking dot
wild arch
Stacking all the extra projectile gems should be fine for poison
Yeah the burn will do full damage
Barrage support and ensnaring arrow are stupidly op for ailment builds
compact junco
ailment? ensnaring does something only for bleed
deft girder
I guess bleed poison hybrid?
Bow skills do have alot of generic damage over time for bow skill.
wild arch
Bleed is an ailment
Ensnared enemies always count as moving so non crimson dance bleed could actually be viable
vast gazelle
it might be solid, the main argument against it is stacking crimson dance is more dps than non crimson dance moving
wild arch
It's like what, 33% more?
You'll get about the same value if you swap out cd's barrage for another damage support
compact junco
well even with crimson dance i doubt you would actually use barrage
its just 8 stacks, its trivial to stack them
true bridge
wild arch
You either invest into attack speed or 1 gem
compact junco
getting enough as is trivial
wild arch
@true bridge yeah that's 33% more
wild arch
^
void vigil
non crimson dance for bows is totally viable
wild arch
Sure, crimson will be a bit better for single target
But normal bleed will be way better for everything else
compact junco
im not saying it isnt, i was just saying that using barrage is waste of gem slot with cd
void vigil
if your build isn't ass, having 7.5 million dps instead of 10 million
wont make too much of a difference
but it'll feel a lot less terrible when mapping
esp against random tanky rares
compact junco
you should not have any issues when mapping with glad regardless
void vigil
you will with crimson against rares lol
wild arch
Who said anything about gladiator?
compact junco
its the only ascendancy that actually does something for bleed, so unless they buff deadeye bleeds then not going glad is just mistake
dense sentinel
Wait what crimson dance builds are somehow reaching 7.5 -> 10 million dps?
wild arch
Scion with glad/zerker
On second thought it's not ideal for bows
Unless you go for rearguard
dense sentinel
Even with rearguard stacking block is kinda oof - not many good tree nodes to improve block since most specify 'while dual wielding' or 'while holding a shield'
compact junco
its pretty meh for bow when you can just take phase acro instead, and you are pathing close to it anyway
dense sentinel
and get a free quiver slot back
void vigil
you don't need to take phase acro though lol
compact junco
you dont need to but why skip it
void vigil
just build a slayer tree
compact junco
its too good
wild arch
Holy shit I just realized something
violet nymph
if you really want block on bow just use lioneyes on the staff block/crit wheel
void vigil
i don't understand why you guys are obsessed with getting 75% block
wild arch
Normally the best quiver for bleed would be drillneck
void vigil
it's just another layer
violet nymph
because its another layer ?
violet nymph
30-40% block is shit tho
wild arch
But if you go for flesh&stone then maloney's nightfall might be better
violet nymph
rearguard is also a massive waste of a slot
dense sentinel
And that costs you like 3/4 of an ascend, an entire quiver slot instead of .... a half dozen pointies on the skill tree?
compact junco
im not sure in what world its amazing but sure :d
violet nymph
it gives 450 at max roll
dense sentinel
ok, the brass dome gives a lot more armor - are you making your build use that too?
violet nymph
its... not tho
wild arch
Rearguard could be neat in a galvanic arrow build
dense sentinel
or can we admit that random flat amounts of stats that come with massive opportunity cost doesn't necessarily make sense?
dense sentinel
Basically nothing compared to just a granite flask
wild arch
Ok now time to debate which of these is better for a bleed build
compact junco
drillneck
dense sentinel
drill
compact junco
it simply has better stats
void vigil
ok bros
wild arch
Even if you're a gladiator with flesh&stone for arena charges?
void vigil
i'll league start ssf with gladitaor bow puncture
dense sentinel
the 50% damage also works on the first hit since that pierces. The 'blinded' doesn't apply until the target is blinded
compact junco
im not sure how is flesh & stone related, drillneck has still better stats
dense sentinel
and they might not always be in range of your flesh and stone - (if in sand stance)
wild arch
They're blinded in stone's aoe
dense sentinel
It's not a screenwide aoe
wild arch
It's like half the screen
void vigil
only rares and bosses
compact junco
even if they are always blinded drillneck provides more flat, more as, that 10% inc difference is nothing
dense sentinel
The point being - piercing an enemy is more reliable than them being blinded
Drillneck also just having better stats is a given
void vigil
you can also vaal the maloneys
dense sentinel
but i'm arguing that it's "increased damage against _" is also more reliable
void vigil
they're comparable, drillneck prob a bit better noncorrupted
compact junco
you can vaal drillneck too
getting pierce is trivial
if you really want to do that
void vigil
except it's not
compact junco
its craft on helmet/gloves
void vigil
for a bleed build you dont want to path up to top right
why would you waste a craft getting pierce
violet nymph
but pierce isnt top right
and theres plenty of other ways to get pierce outside of that
violet nymph
also theres literally no difference between vaaling a ddrillneck and vaaling a maloneys
wild arch
I'd say losing a pierce vs losing stun duration is a big difference
void vigil
^
compact junco
its not wasting affix, its getting pierce to boost clear and also to get bonus from drillneck. having some pierce is always nice on bow build
void vigil
there's so many good crafts
wild arch
Hold up
void vigil
that I absolutely think it's a waste of a craft to get pierce
especially on prime slots like helm/gloves
wild arch
Doesn't ensnaring arrow specifically mention that it ensnares only the last target hit?
Yup
compact junco
well that is your opinion, its not waste. anyway this whole argument is dumb, arguing about maloney being better corrupted when there are like 2 useful corruptions that would do anything
violet nymph
so how are you going to get pierce then
if you're not going to get it on tree
wearing a maloneys
also when were we talking about ensaring arrow. isnt this for a bleed build
violet nymph
how is ensaring relevant then. you're just using ensaring on bosses at that point
which the boss will always be the "last hit"
wild arch
What if there's a rare mob at the front of the pack
violet nymph
you kill...it?
compact junco
if you have to use ensnaring while clearing because you lack damage then maybe your build is just bad
🤷♂️
void vigil
ensnaring should be a totem you put down for bosses and betrayal bosses
wild arch
Trash gets popped by the glad thing
void vigil
you should be able to clear everything else with a GMP'd puncture bleedsplosion
spice cipher
Ensnaring arrow + temp chains to literally petrify screens
barren crescent
Spider aspect
spice cipher
There’s a cap tho right ? 90% ?
wild arch
Huh
Just came up with something interesting
They said something about ice arrow having an easier time chilling
patent canyon
not just iceshot, they said hits should be able to apply shock and chill easier now
wild arch
This belt could be neat for cold poison or some shit
patent canyon
stygian is better
true bridge
really hoping for an iron commander reveal today
wild arch
I'm more interested in what they're doing with rotc
patent canyon
nerfing for 7th time
ember lodge
It's fairly substantial, on something like Anger (50% reserved) a mod like that is the same as 11-12% reduced mana reservation.
wild arch
Sure it's nice, but the reveal is nowhere near as flashy as new uniques or the ancestral call craft
ember lodge
Sometimes powerful doesn't need to be flashy 🙂
wild arch
Don't care it's boring
coarse moon
shit maybe for you
seeing more mana reservation reduction options is exciting for me
formal crypt
What are the chances that all auras have a reduced reservation mod from influence
I'd love to fit in pride and others on my champion
silver kettle
I think it's a pretty safe assumption
formal crypt
Probably split up between the influences right?
silver kettle
yeah
silver kettle
hoag is not an aura!
silver kettle
no
formal crypt
Ah no
silver kettle
auras necessarily apply to nearby allies
hoag and the other heralds only apply to you
formal crypt
Well getting malevolence cheaper might make hoag easier to work with
Vaal grace also
silver kettle
right
deep wave
oh wow... hopefully the mod pool is small
silver kettle
it won't be
deep wave
i mean most elder/shaper mods are useful(kinda)
silver kettle
yeah, I think it's reasonable to expect most of the mods to be useful in some capacity
but you'll still need to hit one that's useful when combined with the other mods on the item
that's some pretty heavy rng
deep wave
yea true... i mean look at those aura mods
there are like 15+ auras in this game?
idk?
silver kettle
18 currently
midnight phoenix
What u dont like reduced vitality reservation or something
silver kettle
though it's a good bet that they'll be split over the influence types
languid path
maybe you could slam 3 different new ex orb for 3 different aura mod
silver kettle
the dreamy aurabot ammy
deep wave
any info on wether the current shaper/elder mods will be divided among new mods
oh wait... if there are 6 influences
22 different HH combinations
silver kettle
but which is the most swag
deep wave
15 of 2 influences, 6 of 1 influence and 1 normal
someone out there will collect them all... someone
ember lodge
That aura thing is really interesting, extremely useful for wanders getting to reduce the massive reservation cost of Wrath
wispy ridge
So do u guys think voidfletcher is going to be super expensive in 3.9 with the atlas change? If so will ice shot build still be good enough without it?
ember lodge
It's a uber elder only drop for possibly the best quiver in game for iceshot builds in bow league, with conquerors severely limiting access to uber elder. It's probably going to be excessively pricy.
Ice-shot will probably still be fine without it 🙂
violet nymph
ice shot will more than likely be great without
trail kestrel
If they won't gut dexstacking - sure
wispy ridge
Hmm tempted to give it a go. Seems like a very well rounded do it all build. Still gotta wait on patch notes
lucid stone
Are there some influence mods that you can only get on influenced bases, that the special exalts won't give you?
violet nymph
most likely not.
The influenced ex will likely be just drop a mod from that pool into an item
rapid willow
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dull girder
anyone know if there is a time limit on the metamorphis bosses?
silver kettle
I can't think of any bosses with enrage timers
boss enraging is all % life thresholds
junior gate
Yes but the annointment goes away
fossil shore
I don't know any enrage timer bosses.
Shaper/Elder floods the area, yeah.
Everything else has pretty linear patterns as far as I'm aware
ember lodge
Turkey and dog in canyon enrage, but again not a timer
patent canyon
rigwald is technically enrage on timer
pliant stream
what do you guys think about the shaper/elder item acquisition in the 3.9? do you feel, you will be still able to find shaped items? without a exteremly highcost? all the skills i regular play, use those bases but im really struggling if this will still be the go to.
patent canyon
depends what bases we talking
coarse moon
hard to say preemptively
patent canyon
if its T1 bases with ivll86 they will cost more
coarse moon
I’ve been working on the assumption that shaper/elder bases basically ceased existence
until I see what the new influences have and how easy it is to actually get shaper/elder
pliant stream
mostly for me, shaped scepter ilvl85 and elder or shaper amulets
storm veldt
Honestly the elder items and that wont really be effected much imo
Like one or two elder/shaper items in a build usually
unless you are going for those Full elder/shaper builds etc it wont effect much
patent canyon
yeah as long as you dont need anything super specific like 86 elder shaper opals/steels or something it will be same
wild arch
Hah
They made not only eternity shroud harder to get but the rest of the mandatory gear as well
patent canyon
well that one way to nerf that without removing the build entirely
pliant stream
thanks for your opinons guys
wet harbor
8 days remaining, they've been awfully vague about what we can really accomplish with metamorph
loud kindle
@wet harbor there's nothing more to reveal? you kill bosses and then you get Catalysts. then you slot that into your gear, rinse and repeat.
Additionally, you can create samples from map bosses to create more powerful monsters, with probably a higher reward.
old egret
uhh.. they could reveal more of the catalysts, more examples of the bosses, what mods/abilities you take from the samples. There is plenty they could reveal, but i think they are more likely to do it the week before, when hype is really building
old egret
its exactly one week before launch, 'the' week before would be the last 7 days until launch, tomorrow being the first of those
depending on where you live, anyway
stoic solstice
They always reveal more when we get closer
wild arch
Raider rework when
patent canyon
raider looks a lot more brown than i remember
livid apex
oh for crying out loud
"hmm yes people didn't like the map mods on cortex fights. let's now extend this to elder guardians it will be great"
compact junco
i always liked map mods on synth bosses, it actually makes the bosses difficult
silver kettle
It's not really a fair comparison
timid geyser
I mean personally I like it. Elder Guardian fights were too easy. This help it.
silver kettle
Cortex would be one of the hardest fights in the game without mods
compact junco
map mods for elder guardians will actually make the fight interesting as well instead of faceroll fiesta
silver kettle
Elder guardians are kinda pushovers atm
timid geyser
Though if the maps are only obtainable as a zana mission and can not be rolled I can understand the frustration.
void vigil
@patent canyon except raider gets it for single target
daresso's is just for clear
you need precursor or some shit to enable it for bossing
compact junco
enduring cry
void vigil
if you're enabling onslaught on your pob just cuz you have daressos then you're doing it wrong
compact junco
(its not like getting onslaught is trivial even without daresso)
patent canyon
well raider only use is for delving
compact junco
there are so many easier ways
void vigil
ok @compact junco link me one of your builds where you enable onslaught for bossing
with enduring cry
patent canyon
other ascendency parts are simply a lot better
void vigil
just link a profile
compact junco
i dont, that was just example
void vigil
is fine
because it's a garbage example
if nobody does it then it's a bad example
raider is good in ssf
because it's pretty gear independent
not just used in delve
compact junco
well you used precursor, i provided better alternative. if its dumb or not its not the point. i personally never use daresso anyway because its meh chest at best
void vigil
it's not a better alternative because nobody is actually gonna do it
it also doesn't provide nearly enough uptime
it feels like you spend a lot of time theorycrafting shit and not enough time actually playing and understanding the game
compact junco
nobody is also going to use precursor for that. but it can work if you wanted to do it
for getting onslaught any sane person will just smash onslaught on like oos anyway if you really want onslaught
compact junco
that is plenty
void vigil
and bosses move a lot
UE for example it's simply not enough
it's pretty dumb for people to slap daressos or a single onslaught on kill jewel on their build, and then they enable onslaught on their pob
ember lodge
its fine if they run a silver flask tho
coarse moon
depends on their flask uptime in a boss fight
midnight phoenix
Generally the better ur dps the more okay it is to tick flasks on bosses
silver kettle
I bet they will be done by Atlas region now
Since that provides a built in and obvious way to split them up
But that's just a guess
deft girder
10th is the patch notes and tree?
silver kettle
right
although depending on your timezone you may be asleep by then cause it's usually pretty late in the day NZT
deft girder
I will stay awake to shitpost a build idea from the info.
normal kraken
if eu you're better off just going to bed and waking up early
vapid echo
@deft girder Are you planning to lvl as TR or you gonna do Icicle or something
deft girder
I'm going for ballista TR or just mines if ballista doesn't cut it.
vapid echo
Yea stuck between TR/Icicle mines, obv not too much of an issue can easily change
deft girder
TR isn't too nitpicky about quiver so I can go with the totem quiver.
vapid echo
Yea skirmish is looking nice
deft girder
You run TR mines?
vapid echo
Not previously, played icicle/ice spear
Usually a TS WR player mostly but never at league start
Octavians TR mines is looking nice but just fumbling between leveling abit, Icicle seems so much nicer on a 3/4L
for leveling
deft girder
I run my own version of TR mine.
vapid echo
Got a pastebin handy ?
deft girder
vapid echo
Nice ty will have a look
prisma arch
Hi guys
is there any explosive arrow gem details yet ?
just a screen of the gem lvl 1 ?
prisma arch
@silver kettle so we have shrapnel shot, burning arrow but not EA ?
silver kettle
Right
deft girder
Isn't the gem numbers on the 11?
Wednesday, December 11: Complete new/updated skill gem numbers
yeah but for gems that are updated vs brand new they also give numbers in the patch notes
e.g.
deft girder
I wonder how expensive plus gems would be.
violet nymph
awakened
deft girder
Woke gems. My bad.
silver kettle
it's going to depend very heavily on the gem
I bet the common, uninteresting ones will be a few chaos after a couple of weeks
coarse moon
just hoping woke cascade wont cost too much
silver kettle
assuming that the common and uninteresting ones are the same, which seems likely
coarse moon
ive got great plans involving a cross of targets
silver kettle
I bet it will be one of the rare ones
but it's also super niche so that should help
coarse moon
ye thats kinda what im betting on
instead of ones like cold+, which is probably gonna be one of the most expensive
deft girder
At least some of chaos support are gonna be cheap.
coarse moon
ooo i forgot to wonder if chaos dot gets any woke support
coarse moon
well i guess more or less like, woke swift affliction or something
deft girder
I'm intrested in woke ballista but that gem might be bloody expensive.
silver kettle
if there even is one
deft girder
Oh yea I forgot infernal legion.
violet nymph
awakened spell totem support 
silver kettle
I wonder whether the patch notes will list them for us
wouldn't be surprised if they didn't
deft girder
Woke multiple totem.
deft girder
+4 totem
ember lodge
I'm hoping for awakened added lightning to go with cold
low kindle
I like pristine naming more
analog flame
But.... woke ....
deft girder
Woke Infernal Legion. 
thin girder
Opinions of running dual options of a burning arrow clear, and ballista single target?
timid geyser
As in burning arrow ballista? I personally don't see too much of reason for that unless you are scaling a hit based burning arrow or something.
thin girder
no as in burning arrow main skill and a secondary ballista skil
timid geyser
For an ignite based build I don't see it making sense.
Maybe an Ensnaring Arrow ballista, but again don't think that scales DoT.
What would make more sense to be is a burning arrow ballista and something like explosive arrow for single target since you can hit a much larger ignite with that.
thin girder
its mainly based of fire damage due to that and probably being blast rain
timid geyser
Blast rain won't scale too great with Damage over time, unless you are doing a hit based build. In that case I don't see much point to running burning arrow at all.
thin girder
so if i were to swap to explosive shot main, and burning arrow ballista, how should i go about leveling, and whats ur opinion, should i try for trickster or something else?
wild arch
You should try not mixing 2 different scalings
If you want to go for a dot build that can clear at the same time then try poison pathfinder or bleed gladiator
timid geyser
I'd wait til patch note to full decide on what class to pick since there are still plenty of changes we don't know yet.
But trickster is probably a safe pick sure.
thin girder
with the reworks, im going ignite no matter what, not if its good or bad, but just because it'll be fun
wild arch
Then why not try burning arrow with barrage and nova at the same time
Or just explosive arrow
violet nymph
i've got an idea for a meta gem for 4.0
you socket 2 or more skills in it, and when you use the meta skill, it uses those skills consecutively
thin girder
lul
violet nymph
so you could set it so you're using ice crash then tec slam over and over again
for EE fun
yes i saw that's how new totems work
so why shouldn't there be a meta gem to let yourself use that
wild arch
Your example sounds a bit weak
Since the skills only convert half the damage
Or is it 60%
violet nymph
tbh i just want to play ED/C without pressing 2 buttons
wild arch
You can
thin girder
ill have to go test to all styles of the arrow gameplays to find out whats the best
violet nymph
oh, huh
well, contagion only needs inc area really
and intensify
you'd have your ED in a 6l
wild arch
It's got a 3 or so second cooldown tho
violet nymph
yeah that doesn't work lol
wild arch
If you can make ED cost 100 mana you can throw contagion in kitava's thirst
violet nymph
ooh
that's easy
just use voidbringer
even though the crit would be useless lol
but ugh
30% chance to trigger is basically useless for ED
wild arch
What if you use pledge of hands 🤔
violet nymph
why would you do that for ED
wild arch
Idk
violet nymph
fevered mind is probably the best way
wild arch
Echo multicast
violet nymph
so wasteful for contagion lol
wild arch
Gotta sacrifice something for automation
I'll just enjoy some good old poison barrage quill rain pf 
violet nymph
you just gotta weapon swap for ST i guess
wild arch
No need for a swap
violet nymph
will the damage be that good with what is basically a -1 link
wild arch
40% less damage for more than double attack speed is completely fine
Might eventually transition to lightning poison, assuming that volkuur's and tempest don't skyrocket in price
solid thunder
Do you guys think we can metamorph shaper too? cause in video you combine bosses
wild arch
I think every boss will work except the stationary ones
wild arch
Shaper and innocence
solid thunder
yea too rippy combo
unless the metamorph version will have half of the hp of the original
then is ok
wild arch
Too rippy? Sounds perfect for cast on block
solid thunder
i do not think they will have the same hp as the bosses where the parts are
since you need to farm
them
mortal yarrow
@patent canyon shaper, elder, innocence
patent canyon
livid apex
MAP 👏 VAAL 👏 ZONES 
coarse moon
i have no idea how to feel about this
patent canyon
decent on league starts after like day 2 they will be completely worthless
timid geyser
Wouldn't be much of a spoiler if we knew what they were 🙂
copper kernel
new ones
bleak crypt
is that amulet new too
timid geyser
Either it is elder/uber elder, or something with new atlas if I had to guess.
My vote is on elder personally.
rare crystal
that amulet looks like a drop from the final boss
timid geyser
lower one I think is uber elder.
solid thunder
The fragments i guess is to spawn elder
barren crescent
added chaos WOKE support
solid thunder
yea the new plus gems will be great
was said it will take longer to lvl them
then regular
wild arch
Woke chaos 
ember lodge
So if we have woke chaos and woke cold, its a pretty safe bet to say we get fire and lightning too
patent canyon
woke fire and lightning arent as exiting
dusty umbra
lightning is gucci and will be cheap
fire might be used with some stuff like chieftain or some sh
patent canyon
woke chaos in inventory
livid lake
yeah my one hope is that there isn't a awakened/pristine for every single gem.
dusty umbra
Yup and we already pretty much know like ~15 of them
small mirage
anything is better than +
barren crescent
ember lodge
elemental hit with the added elemental gems plus seems nuts
barren crescent
wat
ember lodge
Wait not EH, I'm thinking of something else.
Ah my brain was in Piscators wanders mode, that makes more sense.
barren crescent
midnight kraken
So uhm... Am I in the right channel for leaks? Also are there any leaks? Like before Blight league, a person who leaked a lot some days before the actual official info?
Like ascendancies?
An actual image gallery with screens?
Help?
eager terrace
no leaks that I have seen
also there are basically no ascendancy changes this patch
midnight kraken
Imagine Chris Wilson being dissapointed that noone from GGG leaks anything, so he decides to leak a lot from fake account
silver kettle
it's so rare that stuff does leak unofficially @midnight kraken
happens once or twice a year at most
unless you count datamining as leaking
barren crescent
most of it is media fucking up I'd think
trim pawn
so does metamorph reference to changing form abilities, like becomign a werewolf?
silver kettle
no, it's the new enemies you'll fight that can change form
player shapeshifting is coming in PoE2, which is still over a year away from release
quaint umbra
is metamorph = conquerer of the atlas?
silver kettle
they're part of the same patch, yes. conquerors of the atlas is the expansion to the base game, and metamorph is the new temporary league launching alongside it
quaint umbra
cool ty
rocky nebula
Wonder if we get another expansion before poe 2
gaunt juniper
Starter builds...? GO
gaunt juniper
yeah the new ballista looks sick.. im thinking buring arrow and ballista
rocky nebula
Burning arrow elementalist or chieftain
gaunt juniper
why not ranger..? im kind of a newbie 😛
compact junco
putting BA on ballista sounds pretty pointless because it has limited stacking
rocky nebula
Burning arrow has 2 jewels
gaunt juniper
didn't they buff it..? it does damage over time now
compact junco
yes, and that extra dot has limited stacking (up to 5) any more hit rate over that is pointless
so when you put it on ballista you are losing damage
compact junco
yeah EA ballista would work
rocky nebula
Is there something that prevents your projectiles from piercing?
Or do you have to make sure not to have any pierce?
gaunt juniper
the new arrow nova would probably spread toxic rain pretty good... hmm
compact junco
snakepit?
rocky nebula
That's for spells only tho right?
compact junco
yeah
there is nothing like that for attacks i think, so simply dont take pierce
@gaunt juniper arrow nova do not works with stuff that already fires arrows into air
so it do not works with TR
gaunt juniper
EA on ballista for clearing and additional boss damage.. what would you have for single target?
ah 😦
compact junco
i would use EA on ballista for single target
and maybe artillery ballista for clear
depends. or just use EA for both single and clear
gaunt juniper
WHAT? there's more ballistas??
thought it was only one 😄
What class and acendency would you choose for this?
compact junco
probably chief
gaunt juniper
hmm.. I guess tankyness will also be good...
my problem is that im too stupid to make my own build 😛
stacking damage over time maybe?
compact junco
yeah i would go ignite
compact junco
and also, at least atm, EA scales from levels, so high pdps bow is not that great (and ruins EE on top of that). so i would wait until they will show EA gem before actually deciding on bow
rocky vine
Explosive arrow is 100% Phys -> Fire right?
compact junco
EA has no conversion
rocky vine
Oh it's flat
compact junco
they havent said anything about that and i hope not
gloomy shore
what about blast rain balista?
compact junco
at least i hope it will not have conversion on the arrows, for fuses it will be nice
patent canyon
yeah i hope you have ee on every attack and conversion doesnt ruin it
if you dont have ee i'd prob wouldnt play it then
rocky vine
Yeah I was hoping that I could pull something dumb and do like change the phys to ice or something and then let the explosions stay fire
Some other skill forever ago let you do that
Vortex iirc?
patent canyon
vortex doesnt work
rocky vine
You could convert all your cold to fire and have EE on the degen
patent canyon
its dot ground that doesnt hit
rocky vine
Uh, it does hit
patent canyon
once
rocky vine
Yes, you convert that to fire, and the cold degen gets boosted by EE
rocky vine
At the time Storm Brand didn't exist when that was being ran.
patent canyon
but with ea its ruined because your fuse scales beyond 5 so you will be constantly refreshing ee
compact junco
you can always just run tempest and stormfire if they add conversion, but it would suck
patent canyon
but it would be funny if they did ruin ee
because then ea from unplayable just gets upgraded to simply... shit
compact junco
it would probably still be better than before with the fuse stacking, but if they added conversion and made EA scale primarily from wep damage (e.g +lvls would not be better) then that would completely ruin the skill identity imo
what would suck because that part of EA is actually cool in current version of it
rocky vine
Now here's a thought...
Would multiple EAs all contribute to explosion radius w/ multiple attackers using it?
compact junco
they should, at least atm they definitely would, and changing that would not make much sense anyway
gaunt juniper
question about POB.. is the 123 point level 100 character?
gaunt juniper
yeah so 110ish points?
patent canyon
mhm
gaunt juniper
what should I link with EA? sorry for all the newbie questions 😛 never tired EA before 😛
gaunt juniper
im just messing around in POB.. never really tried it before.. when does patch notes come out?
patent canyon
in 4 or 5 days
gaunt juniper
ok
ember lodge
Still fun to play around with barrage power siphon setups, if my math is right it's like a 110-120%more multi even at only lvl 5
gaunt juniper
Reworks
Explosive Arrow
Previously, Explosive Arrow could have up to 5 arrows in a target, refreshing the duration each time an arrow hit the target. Now, there is no limit to the number of Explosive Arrows in a target, and the duration can't be refreshed. This lets you keep firing into an enemy, and you'll have regular explosions rather than having to halt firing to wait for detonations. The radius of the explosion is now +2 larger per arrow on the target, up to a maximum of +10 at level 1, up to +19 at gem level 20.
The skill no longer deals Secondary damage with its explosion, which greatly limited support and passive options as many specific damage modifiers wouldn't apply. Now, each arrow's explosion will deal a portion of your base weapon damage, with a large added fire bonus and the full effect of any other added damage. This still makes scaling the level of the gem useful, as you'll be boosting the fire damage of the explosion, but now stats like increased Bow Damage will apply to the entire explosion.
The explosion consumes all explosive arrows on the target and deals the combined damage of all arrow explosions, letting you build up a very strong Ignite, and the skill deals more damage with Ignite for each explosive arrow in the target.
The Barrage Support is an efficient way to quickly stack up arrows in a target, great for dealing high damage to bosses with a large explosion afterwards.
Overall, the skill is much simpler to build and use (with a lower mana cost to match), while retaining the core mechanic that made it interesting.
TORGE!!!!!
zenith warren
olive shadow
Anybody else excited for the return of the shotgun totem build ?
gaunt juniper
what do you mean? the new ranged attack totem ballista..?
wild arch
I think he means barrage anything
olive shadow
Yeah the shrapnel ballista. Can’t wait to see all the crazy builds
formal crypt
I will do impale champion shrapnel ballista
ember lodge
Probably not gonna keep it in maps, but galvanic barrage is going to be gorgeous to level with
violet nymph
i wanna figure out what's op as heck and play that
junior skiff
are watcher's eye going to be really hard to get next league?
eager charm
we dont know for certain
tulip warren
best way to make use of the new chest? poet's pen low life?
lunar oriole
i havent played this game since betrayal league and im lookin to get back into it
whats new for the next league?
timid geyser
Also the pinned thread on the subreddit as basically everything that has been posted about the upcoming league.
ember lodge
I wonder how The Ivory Tower is going to stack with things like Esh's Shield. I suspect it goes to ES first, then mana?
low kindle
yes
ember lodge
Excellent 😁
thorny vortex
i don't see why it would. it's just the same as adding any other source of "Mana taken before Life"
wild arch
Wouldn't adding them make it something like 130% of chaos damage is taken from mana before life?
smoky zephyr
I imagine that's capped at 100 and adjusted like phys to ele conversions work, but I could be wrong
odd cloud
so when can we expect builds/sims to start to popup? tuesday or wednesday?
odd cloud
eh i want to play something good this season and try to do the 38 challenge or at least nearby
this season jumped on the necro wagon too late
league*
wild arch
Wait for the balance manifesto, and play any good build that's not mentioned on there
void vigil
you can do all challenges with anything
just will be more expensive or take more skill
frigid raft
dusty cove
wand skill changes gonna be interesting
ember lodge
Well we're getting more base damage on wands apparently, I think I read somewhere
Kinda doesn't matter too much, not as long as piscators lives. But its nice for phys wanders i guess 🙂
wild arch
They're getting some number changes
But that's far from interesting
Now the new wand bases they mentioned in that one recent stream definitely sound interesting
tidal ruin
what was it?
wild arch
What was what
ember lodge
Attack roll restricted wands, like the summoner ones, would be very nice.
wild arch
Maybe some spell unrelated implicit as well
bitter ledge
Will you be able to metamorphesise the Legion generals?
If so, can you combine all of the 5 generals? I'm just hoping that that will give you a unique super-general.
And it will probably be tied to a challenge...
alpine light
Well shit
wild arch
That weapon effect is sweet
wild arch
Not as good as the bestiary one
wild arch
lyric ore
I didn't even hit 12
the two builds I did were lacklustre, and I played a bunch of legion
stuck canyon
Is Conquers of the Atlas coming out at same time as metamorph?
silver kettle
yes
neat rover
languid lake
It's subjective so what anyone says really doesnt matter
true nova
^
That fckin harlequin portal though. 🔥 shit is lit
No matter though, the mechanics seem fun, conquerers is being released alongside, and new bow stuff. Gonna be a good league, tatee.
tall lily
Does the metamorph mechanic spawn its own mobs in each map?
small mirage
Not really
You'll collect parts of the mobs you kill within a zone
When the npc appears you chose from the pieces you've collected and custom make a boss
Then it spawns and you kill it
You don't keep normal mob pieces across zones
tall lily
Does that mean we won't get much loot from the league mechanic?
small mirage
The boss drops loot
In maps map bosses drop parts that you keep once you leave the map
Then you can put those boss parts together in a separate zone to fight a more powerful boss
tall lily
I see so it's getting fragments from maps and later using those fragments to spawn the bosses
deft girder
Build a boss workshop?