yeah but you cant have everything ...
#1┃mirage-league
celest atlas
midnight kraken
You can, but it'll do shit 😄
celest atlas
stil SRS should be more powerful than legion
celest atlas
ZOmbie + Sekeleton would also work as meat + attack ..... but i wanted to try SRS for a change 😉
midnight kraken
I'm starting with dominating blow necro
It'll be fun
at least 52s of sentinel duration
Just need to find rare monster with good aura mod like additional phys dmg or increased speed and I can rush the map
celest atlas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64eA6qbgdOs so something like this looks like a lot of action 🙂
and should also work much better in 3.8
quiet geyser
do we allready know what transfiguration of Soul/Mind/Body does?
mental apex
Nooo, stop playing dom blow people, let me be the only one 😝
wild arch
@craggy kernel did you miss the part where elemental penetration works only on hits?
Also chieftain is all about Phys to fire
Pure fire scaling is shit on him
rough flax
🤔
hidden rampart
the ele hit jewels can be used for wild strike does that mean we'll get the % increased damage as well?
wild arch
Seems like it
craggy kernel
@wild arch sorry, you're refering to what comment i made when?
hidden rampart
that's pretty naice
wild arch
When we were talking about ele hit ignite you mentioned fire penetration again after someone said it doesn't work with ignite
craggy kernel
ah
idk, naively, since the ignite is based off of a hit, I was assuming that the penetration was boosting the hit, thus boosting the ignite
am I wrong in that reasoning?
wild arch
Yes
The only thing ignite bases off the hit is the flat damage
And besides it specifically states that penetration only applies to hits
craggy kernel
ah right they changed that a couple of leagues ago, that everything was based on the unmodified base damage, true true
sorry, completely forgot about that.
craggy kernel
Then why not considering Staves instead of maces? Martyr of Innocence would be a great candidate for what you're trying to do.
there are also some good crit nodes for staves, and block is an added defense layer on top of whatever you have.
celest atlas
i still have to patch PoB right? Anyone go the link ?
slow lake
its not updated yet
mental apex
PoESkillTree has been updated with the latest tree https://github.com/PoESkillTree/PoESkillTree/releases (poeskilltree website will be updated tomorrow)
@celest atlas
slow lake
also poeplanner https://poeplanner.com/ABIAAAkAEgMAAAHfigAAAAAA
mental apex
Any mobile apps/websites with new tree?
Doubt, but have to ask
celest atlas
poeplanner isa an online tool
slow lake
pob update available
celest atlas
ah nice thx
trim crown
Does anyone have the actual carrion golem gem stats/pic yet? Been looking everywhere, cant find it
patent canyon
doesnt exist yet
patent canyon
yeah... guess i will have to remake build again because damn did it ruin something important
unless ofc its so busted it does 107m on tabula 🤔
compact junco
lol
celest atlas
did you restart
runic fractal
Poison fix implemented
tidal frost
Looks normal
patent canyon
looks normal now, yup
alrighty starter fixed, char name ready. What do I do now? 👀
mental apex
Wait
wet plaza
Pray for ballista and dancing duo buffs
snow cairn
wet plaza
Eh they are mostly for clear either way
mental apex
Do we know anything on synthesis boss fights yet or how we get them and do they drop the league specific rings??
wet plaza
Apparently as rare as untainted so won't be common
mental apex
So her missions have a chance to drop the boss fight. Kool. So my purity rings are gonna be $$$$$ 😭😂😭
patent canyon
I dont even want to begin thinking how much i will pay for +1 scourge pod devotos
fiery cloak
Do you guys know how exactly the fork nerf will work?
lament zodiac
Fork will no longer be a % chance for +100% more dmg
fiery cloak
That doesnt really tell me anything bc i never used fork before
lament zodiac
we have no idea how big the % was
I mean its a bug fix... none of us know what it was doing or that it was even doing it
fiery cloak
My problem is this: planning to go fork venom gyre as a league starter
Bc as far as i understand it, it basically doubles the returning projectiles
Doesnt it?
lament zodiac
Provided they hit sure
But will a GMP Fork gyre automatically return 10 projectiles? not if they dont hit no....
lament zodiac
New skills are going to be done by feel
I wouldn't worry about the gems till you have played the skill
fiery cloak
True its just
The 63.5% damage multiplier (1.09*1.5) from fork support is basically
The main reason i wanna start venom gyre over cobra lash
patent canyon
if you get fork outside main links it will be fine for more blades
otherwise you lose poison link in main that fork does not compensate
patent canyon
i cant remember if talisman was pierce or fork....
fiery cloak
Also snakepit, but thats only for spells
patent canyon
nah actually i think you cant
then fork might not be worth it but you can try to play around with it for a bit
just level fork in offhand
fiery cloak
How much % more dps is your 6th link usually tho?
patent canyon
30% DoT
fiery cloak
Soo
fiery cloak
About 42% more?
eternal laurel
Oh but maybe need GMP
patent canyon
with those 2 new ones you will yes
eternal laurel
Damm too many nice supports
fiery cloak
Also, do you guys think cobra lash/venom gyre have a place in hit-based builds?
patent canyon
assuming base damage and effect of added is in nice numbers
patent canyon
yup
eternal laurel
I always find it hard to tell if the 20/20 numbers are good, like what do you compare that to?
patent canyon
to similar spells
for example you should be able to compare those 2 new skills to something like viper strike or spectral throw
eternal laurel
And spectral throw base damage is considered average/ good?
celest atlas
played spectral throw last league with a lot of leech .. not sure if the changes makes that worse now
patent canyon
unchanged
celest atlas
patent canyon
its only mana leech that was changed
celest atlas
on l94
patent canyon
it doesnt need that much higher, just anything that would make it do more than it (it really will have better damage over st anyway)
celest atlas
i cant find the changes for helmet like hubris .. where are no more +3 to sockete minions right?
hot gyro
how to activate on amulet the allocates notable skills?
dusty umbra
@fiery cloak tbh i could see ele build with eshroud on those maybe
not like shroud got any worse
hot gyro
okay thanks
mental apex
Wait, +3 minion level helms won't exist anymore?
celest atlas
i think i read something about that but couldnt find it anymore
midnight kraken
Where are patch notes compiled by the bot?
😦
I want to see something like:
-Blight removed from the game, added Blight league instead
And -Reworked perfect agony keystone. It allows your ailments to instantly kill Elder, but your hits deal no damage
-As we added stash at the end of Syndicate Mastermind encounter, Einhar moved to Mastermind's house. Now Menagerie is full of stupid beasts
celest atlas
@mental apex i might have been remembering it wrong .. as i stil cant find the reference to it anythere
this happens if you read too much but dont save all the links ...
fallen tulip
i rmb something like that too, but not on helmets
i remember reading the +elemental socket gems on item turned into just generic %inc dmg
spice cipher
@mental apex it will exist , not sure about helms but I know +3 minion gems can roll buts it’s incredibly rare
quiet geyser
@celest atlas they use a markow generator for that, you could just put the patchnotes in one yourself ^^ :/
violet nymph
what transfiguration of body/soul/mind passives do?
echo dove
Add some of the life/es/mana increase as added damage
according to the leaks anyway
So like 30% of increased mana is also applied as increased spell damage, or something like that
I think the ES one is spell damage
violet nymph
ty ^^
wild arch
So I finally got to take a look at the new tree...
Are those burning multipliers a joke?
I was hyped up for perfect agony ignites, but fucking of course they just had to make that spell exclusive
wet plaza
what?
wild arch
I'm talking about these nodes
wild arch
That's 75% crit chance for spells across the nodes
Pretty huge waste for an attack build
wet plaza
🤷
static token
Compared to how much multi?
wild arch
40% with agony
static token
Seems fine to me, given that you really shouldn't be hurting for crit chance if you aren't a caster.
wet plaza
on that half of the tree you pretty much hurt for non caster crit chance
wild arch
Looks like I can safely go back to messing around with that trypanon ignite raider 
Just anointing a multiplier or 2 will be good enough
Yeah, breath of flames looks decent enough
Hold up weren't there 13 hidden notables? I can only find 12 in poeplanner
midnight kraken
I see 13 on pob
wild arch
I see 9 outside around the tree and 3 for the single stat classes
glad narwhal
you guys think the other golems will be competitive now?
midnight kraken
There's also 1 between duelist and ranger
near scion
for life flask recovery or something
@wild arch
celest atlas
would love to add the new golem but we might need to wait a bit longer for it and the new item to be available
wild arch
Oh that's it
normal kraken
take into account that now perfect agony's bonus is additive with dot multipliers
wild arch
Why is perfect agony not increasing my ignite dps in pob?
patent canyon
maybe you dont have enough crit or multi to offset -hit
wild arch
The ignite dps stays the same but it lowers total dps
languid path
works for me
wild arch
patent canyon
drop your pob
languid path
we ain't gonna be able to tell from just the pic lol, I posted the pic to show you that pob is fine
wet plaza
well with 0 crit multi you gain 0 out of the keystone
wild arch
patent canyon
also why the trypanon?
wild arch
Because memes
patent canyon
understandable
wild arch
I try to do dumb trypanon builds as an inside joke with friends
There we go
Now it's properly boosted by fallacy
glad narwhal
The vis mortis change works with popcorns right?
vestal escarp
good question
lament zodiac
probably
vestal escarp
^
glad narwhal
yeah that's what I'm hoping
vestal escarp
what is the actual damage on popcorn skellies
lament zodiac
Looks like vis mortis will actually be really good for spectres now
glad narwhal
I'm thinking popcorn SRS
vestal escarp
is it more than just having them live
lament zodiac
as opposed to the entire item specific unique effect being worthless for 99% of them
glad narwhal
popcorn SRS will be faster than skellies for sure
not sure about single target, but I don't think it matters too much
plus SRS has that amulet to kill them faster
glad narwhal
true
lament zodiac
Ziz's popcorn srs was really high single target and that was before the ascendancy buff
lament zodiac
It might be hard though because your srs might die TOO quickly
lament zodiac
if you take the amulate that makes them die and infernal legion they might die before they can even move
glad narwhal
with some aoe I don't think that'll be an issue
but yeah
that just means I can use a different amulet instead
lament zodiac
Indeed
the +20% more life ascendancy is basically just a +20% more damage for MI builds
wet plaza
they need to die quickly else your clear suffers too much
with just the amu it takes ~5s to pop
lament zodiac
yeah but dying quickly and dying instantly are two different things
wet plaza
very much doubt the instantly
lament zodiac
if infernal legion is 90% of life per second like RF
what is the fire res of srs ? :/
40 base
shrug will still be fast 🙂
wet plaza
wait for the gems to release
wild arch
Pob doesn't seem to want to calculate shockwave's damage 🤔
mental apex
Maybe Shockwave is imaginary 🤔
hoary snow
Necro may be the talk of the town but I'm curious what minion-leaning templar will play like
amber trellis
@fallen pewter your version of the passive tree seems to have fewer issues than openearls
fallen pewter
He implemented the new functions as well.
amber trellis
😆
fallen pewter
So any functions he fucked with could've broken everything else lol
amber trellis
i see. I'm bummed his version has the 3.7 version of Divine Guidance for some reason
guess I'll wait for him to patch it
fallen pewter
That node is up to date.
amber trellis
is it?
fallen pewter
They did take all the inc/red to X applied to Y at 30% value and gave them a unique name.
amber trellis
languid path
that's the 3.8 version
fallen pewter
They basically made them more confusing and didn't add tooltips to the tree data
languid path
are you asking why it's red?
amber trellis
oh for some reason
it had 30% increased damage from increased mana
or something like that
fallen pewter
In earlier versions of the tree that Transfiguration node had a real stat line that you could read.
Now it's obfuscated
Same goes for all 3 of the anointed notables with the same stat line
teal axle
im still debating totem vs zambies
I think totem gear will be much less contested
and when I get incredibly bored I can reroll into bodyswap totems
amber trellis
ok so
bare with me
Divine Guidance: No longer grants +150 to maximum Mana. Now grants 30% increased maximum Mana, and causes increases and reductions to maximum Mana to also apply to damage at 30% of their value.
teal axle
net buff
fallen pewter
Yes, that line is "Transfiguration of Mind".
fallen pewter
Mind/Body/Spirit
amber trellis
i still retain the 10% mom?
quartz dome
yes
amber trellis
........................
fallen pewter
Mhm, everything else stays
amber trellis
well this is nice
fallen pewter
Just a straight buff, swapping the flat mana for percent mana.
amber trellis
so im guessing in a future patch the 'Transfiguration of Mind'
quartz dome
"Transfiguration of Mind" is just some shorthand for the effect of 30% mana increases/reductions as damage, and shows up on one of the oil notibles as well and possibly some future unique items
fallen pewter
Mhm, NYI
amber trellis
i feel so smart.
quartz dome
similarly, the 30% of life increases as damage is called "transfiguration of body"
fallen pewter
That's probably why they put it into a keyword
amber trellis
stupid sexy clever developers
fallen pewter
It's Boolean.
fallen pewter
Hiero buff was pretty sick
quartz dome
it's nice
Sanctuary of Thought is also really nice because it's bonkers
I get 92% aoe from it
amber trellis
which?
quartz dome
Sanc, bottom left
fallen pewter
The node after
amber trellis
oh
quartz dome
even if I'm grabbing Agnostic (which I am because it's silly strong) and lose all the ES, getting 90% aoe is really strong and kinda dumb
quartz dome
I mean the first mana node was alright for the 10% MoM dealy
and 150 flat mana is a lot after increases
fallen pewter
Rip 150 mana
quartz dome
the new sanc tho could be your only source of AoE and would be stupid powerful like yeesh
teal axle
I'll probably try to fit the agnostic somewhere into my build
quartz dome
yeah if you're building for a lot of mana/regen agnostic can potentially just render you unkillable
teal axle
I have so much more mana now that its a ton of regen vs like 800 ES which I cant trigger a recharge or leech to
I want to do golems but the primordial gems are gonna be hella expensive
eager terrace
divine guidance is pretty common
sanctuary of thought was the one not normally taken, or arcane blessing
quartz dome
I'm looking at this goofy stuff right now with my build and just wondering if it will work out as planned or not because it's just silly.
teal axle
I feel like a lot of that is gear though
quartz dome
it is
teal axle
but I'd be curious to see that tree
quartz dome
https://pastebin.com/1f7URSfy as per the norm a lot of liberties are taken with gear and flasks; one of the flasks applies the non-functional stuff and oiling "Prodical Perfection" from the tree
but if I can do it it's 2 mil shaper dps and also being nearly unkillable 
the empty jewel socket is where I'd put the Militant Faith jewel IF I HAD ONE
or well not that one specifically but the one next to MoM's node
stripping a lot of the dream gear (and RF) it's still about 1 mil shaper dps and pretty darn tanky
wild arch
I wonder if they realize just how absurd cold only wild strike is
quartz dome
the youtubers will show us all
wild arch
18 chains on a gloomfang deadeye 🤔
echo dove
@teal axle they're going to be cheaper than you think, the div card they added last? league will help dramatically
wild arch
Wait a minute, does gloomfang give its damage per total chain or per how much it already chained?
echo dove
languid path
@wild arch per how many times the proj have chained
wild arch
Oh...
Too fucking tired can't even calculate the number of projectiles properly
Ok so it is 18 chains
That means the wave gets 180% more damage
tidal frost
Gloomfang gives dmg later, dead eye start, sweet spot for max is somewhere 70% ish down the chain
Depending on chaos vs bon chaos scaling
wild arch
Gloom will probably be expensive anyway so I'm ignoring it for now
teal axle
its usually pretty cheap
I bought a +1maxres gloomfang last league for like
80c
like a month and a half in
tidal frost
It never is, except at the start before people start farming
wild arch
But did we usually have new projectile attacks that can chain and benefit massively from poison?
teal axle
I guess Im underestimating people doing poison because most of the shiny baubles to me are minion AI changes
languid path
meh, you can probably get a rare amulet that's much more beneficial single target wise
languid path
I mean, there's a reason nobody ever used gloomfang even when arc was borken
wild arch
Which is what gloomfang is exactly for
tidal frost
Gloomfang doesnt work on arc
wild arch
Because it's projectiles only smartass
languid path
yeah I forgot that
teal axle
lets not be rude friends
tidal frost
Magma orb is the lord of gloomfang
languid path
but sure, the only thing gloomfang ever used with is magma orb
wild arch
Replaced the 2 anguishes with a white wind for the lols
So on a 6 link with absolutely nothing except ascendancy and helmet enchant it's sitting at 30k dps 🤔
Wait that's just the wave, the main hit is also 11k
What phys/cold weapons can beat white wind in terms of raw dps?
(Except the forges)
wild arch
Same way you hit a boss with literally any other melee attack?
midnight phoenix
Ah
U havent played with it no worries
So wild strike only hits with either the hit or the effect not both
wild arch
How the fuck does that work
midnight phoenix
In the case of the cold wave
U atk boss
It gets hit by the melee
Takes melee dmg
Then u get wave
Anything behind the boss eats the wave
But not the boss
U can test it with golden rule and volkuur in standard if u like
wild arch
Why exactly does this skill exist >_>
midnight phoenix
To clear with lul
silver kettle
It's a really good clear skill
But yeah single target is always going to be a struggle
midnight phoenix
Sry to burst u bubble
wild arch
I need some budget boss killer
midnight phoenix
Better than starting with it and going fuck man this thing cant do dmg
Well i mean there werent any notes about frost wall
So if they didnt fix it
All bossing dmg is not relevant
However if ur looking for something that doesnt abuse bugs, i spent 20 minutes last night and made skeletons that did a couple mill dps with literally no items other than devouring diadem equipped
Prolly ppl that play a lot of skeletons can do better
silver kettle
We got to 4 mil no items
wild arch
I was thinking about something fun like poison living weapons but they got screwed over
midnight phoenix
Ye skeletons u start counting dps in shapers per sec
midnight phoenix
You'll get a bunch of dps from +gem levels presumably
And or victario if thats ur jam
midnight phoenix
Anyway im prolly gonna play srs cos i cant face a league of pretending that skele clear is ok
Even though the single target is like half
silver kettle
I'm going to how carrion golems will cover the clear now
echo dove
I think everyone's forgetting the league mechanic
Clear speed won't matter as much as pure dps
silver kettle
But also, skele clear will be better with dashing
wild arch
What league mechanic?
echo dove
Blight
If you want to clear them, you don't need to aoe the entire screen while at a run
silver kettle
The league mechanic is only like 10% of what you play though
midnight phoenix
Eh im still gonna spend most of my actual time mapping most likely
echo dove
you just need to get your murder on in one spot
Did you not watch the trailer? The end game is literally maps that have nothing but blight
midnight phoenix
Its not gonna be entirely those maps lol
No league mechanic has ever been that intrusive
echo dove
Legion... there were people that only ran 5way battles hundreds of times....
That was the end game
midnight phoenix
And other ppl that didnt
echo dove
they didn't run anything else
spice cipher
But that’s wasn’t the entire map
wild arch
Implying there's any endgame other than delve
echo dove
That was the entire map for those players, they weren't collecting emblems themselves
eager terrace
I mean it's self-imposed
midnight phoenix
Good for them
eager terrace
if you want to do nothing but T16 blighted maps sure, build around it
spice cipher
Yeah but that’s not what you said or implied
echo dove
Speed meta is not going to matter to end game here
midnight phoenix
U can sit in hideout buying blighted maps to tower defense all league if u want
That is entirely up to u
I will not
echo dove
I agree, so stop saying that clear speed meta is most important, because the primary activities this league just don't require high speed clearing unless you're doing lab running
teal axle
@silver kettle hows the guide updating going. Im watching with interest completely dependent on you for my leaguestart
spice cipher
Wtf are you even on about? Who said anything about speed meta ?
midnight kraken
Yeah, RF totems let's goooooooooooooo
spice cipher
Cause everyone has different ones
wild arch
I need those new boots
midnight kraken
Actually changes to RF destroyed RF totems a bit
wild arch
For totally ethical firestorm totems
midnight kraken
Since totems can easily reach 20k hp
echo dove
Last league, the primary activities were 1) Glacier and 2) Emblem fights
teal axle
I need to see infernal legion numbers
echo dove
Pretending there is no meta while comparing builds is useless
teal axle
I wanna do infernal legion golems lol
spice cipher
Ok whatever you say
midnight kraken
Infernal legion numbers: you're outnumbered
echo dove
Infernal legion will be interesting, but only on melee golems
I think it's going to be good on the new golem, which seems like it may have some clearing issues
silver kettle
@teal axle I'm basically done with as much of the updates as I can for now. Need today's gem post to finish planning what I'm personally going to try for league start, and then really need to test stuff in game to confirm it. If you check back on the guide in like 12 hours it will be ready to use for league start, but some things will still be educated guesses until I can test
cursive hazel
is your tree done?
low knot
any poison assassin cyclone builds out there or just stick to slayer cyclone?
teal axle
Glad to hear it viper, looking forward to it
cursive hazel
would that tree work for a spectre build?
silver kettle
You'd have to change some things
A spectre tree would be fairly similar but I think you'd need more minion defence nodes
eager charm
It’d depend on what specter
cursive hazel
kk, but the early lvl tree you put in your build could work for early and id just change it when id be later in the league and more data on poe.ninja
idk tbh xD
ive never played minion build in my life
always went melee builds, 1-2 bow, 3-4 casters
rest melee haha
livid apex
I think I figured out build number 2 (after incin cwc bodyswap)
lightning+cold wild strike
cursive hazel
i just heard spectres solar gaurd is good
teal axle
solar guards are usually the go to
cursive hazel
i normally make my own builds, but for minions i just have no knowledge what so ever to come close to making something decent xD
eager charm
Yeah they’re really good so if you want to use SGs, you would need to edit vipers tree a bit
cursive hazel
i heard ghazzy is the og spectre build maker ? i should wait for his build to be updated ?
or wait for poe.ninja to have data on those builds?
eager charm
Tbh, ghazzy was really good but as of lately some of his guides/gem choices have been questionable at best
cursive hazel
ok, so poe.ninja might be my best beT?
ill use viper's early tree and wait for poe.ninja data to be viable then swap.
vernal ivy
Is there any good video on how the new oils stuff is gonna work? Does it pick a point in the tree and assign it just like an item already would do like "Conduit" on Loch Carress, or does it let you path from that?
languid path
no you cannot path from it
echo dove
each three oil combination assigns a particular passive notable
it will show you before you consume them what the outcome will be
I assume there will be a datamined chart up within the first day or two
12c3 combinations
I assume it's choose, not pick
that's 220
how many notables are on the tree?
Hrm, 330+
languid path
364 total combinations, counting double and triple repeat oil recipes
echo dove
ah... double oils, forgot about that
that's why they added those new passives, to get the numbers to match up
Also, very unlikely they keep this mechanic core after the league based on that....
vestal escarp
unless they don't add a ton of new notables
either that or maybe they keep legacy notables and shuffle the oil recipes?
silver kettle
well I assume that notable IDs are reused, though admittedly I haven't checked the passive tree data to confirm that
which would mean that it's essentially self-updating
teal axle
didnt they remove that "reflect damage" shit from chieftain
why are we getting it back as boots
normal kraken
why not
silver kettle
it was too niche to be worth keeping on chieftain, but niche build around stuff is exactly what uniques excel at
teal axle
I dont even remember what the build that used it was
reverse vacuum rat with eye of innocence
teal axle
ye
I wish I knew what to play for start
Im not gonna be able to reroll so I like
really need to choose well
violet nymph
echo dove
Now I want a frog MTX for something...
sly tusk
if you 100% can't reroll, play something that does damage while you click on towers
Totems, Brands, Minion, or Mirage Archer
tidal frost
Im ready for minions
wild arch
Getting a headache from wasting several hours trying to come up with a useable melee ignite build
tidal frost
what base skill
tidal frost
doyanis fist lightning iginte is what my meme head comes up with off the top
wild arch
Well
I tried out trypanon ele hit
And the damage on that is ridiculous
But it's trypanon
tidal frost
I did a static strike shockwave with that.
its amazing until you have to swing agian
wild arch
This unfinished meme build had more dps than a decent ignite ire
tidal frost
does ignite combine all ignite-making element dmg into one ignite? I asume it does
wild arch
Uhhh
I guess?
So yeah, this ignite ire build I pulled up from some guide has 400k dps with watcher's eye and all sorts of expensive shit
The shit I slapped together had over 300k with garbage gear and an unfinished tree
And oh look, if I manage to get a beneficial double corrupt frostferno the dps would nearly double
Oh... just a 6 link without frostferno is a bit better
tidal ruin
gems info when
mental apex
never
wild arch
I just selected a few poison nodes to test things out and this is just disgusting
cobalt falcon
So there will be 'small' blight and full map blight?
midnight phoenix
Yes
cobalt falcon
How much chance for sharper map blight
kindred dagger
YAY we got the gem sooooooo deathmark is traaaaash all those gem numbers are traaaaaash
great patch great league
tidal frost
55% mod isnt too bad for a boss; and the minions wont leash
eager terrace
why is 55% more against marked targets that bad
do minions really have supports that good
where that would be awful
kindred dagger
55% ?
tidal frost
they have some ok ones; but none are give you control of their shit brains
eager terrace
24% from the gem itself, 25% from the death mark
kindred dagger
49% ?
eager terrace
they multiply together
kindred dagger
not a big fan, i guess its ok
tidal frost
like, if it didnt force aggro; yeah its shit
kindred dagger
i hoped for a MS buff once you cast deathmark maybe like they are just getting mad
kindred dagger
i guess we'll just have to put our hands on it to se ethe feeling but i hoped for better numbers and things, but eh couldnt really expect anything special pretty much everything were allready teased 😦
tidal frost
Feeding Frenzy's reminder text: (Feeding Frenzy grants 10% more Minion Damage, 15% increased Minion Movement Speed and 15% increased Minion Attack and Cast Speed)
lucid stone
Tribal Fury is gonna be great for any static striker
languid path
fuck I don't wanna play minions but the numbers look so good
olive whale
Can anybody explain Blastchain mine, it got 30% mana multiplier, but nothing said about mana reserve. Sooo i suggest mana cost turns into mana reservation, right?
tidal frost
so think like normal auras; if you suport a herald with 30% more; it makes it 32.5% mana. so you are correct
rustic sentinel
Seems like they nerfed trap defense with pyromaniac and trap damage with shaper mod removal
tidal frost
base traps got a dmg boost; support gems are better.
havent run numbers
also skitterbots.
craggy plank
M E A T S H I E L D
olive whale
Soo if I got minefield will it reserve per mine or per throw? Cause minefield's mana multiplier is big oof
bronze blaze
anyone have a venom gyre build ready for the new league,? i have work and school so i dont have time to come up with a build myself this league but i still wanna play. also since its blight idk if putting it in build planning would be the right place or not cause of spoilers
olive whale
Is it actually worth taking Demolition Specialist if you're playing with Blastchain Mine?
I mean these type of mines are not auras
tidal frost
correct
high oak
blastchain mine and icicle mine don't take demolition specialist
hollow cipher
So has RF builds been nerfed or not?
Or are we replacing +life with +%burning over time mult?
pine forge
RF will now open boxes and stuff how can any amount of dmg offset that massiv buff?
honest egret
RF is buffed if you are under like 7500hp, and a little bit nerfed above 7500hp
pine forge
that's only the gem not the build though. You have to consider the new fire dmg over time multiplayer
wild arch
What's better at first glance, pestilence or new dw viper 
Pestilence/plaguebearer occultist actually seems pretty interesting
midnight kraken
Guess RF trickster will be more a thing now
dusky tendon
oh boy, that vicious projectiles buff...
wild arch
What's the best +gem craft for plague
I'm guessing a bow
No bow is only like +1 gem
Looks like staff can get +4
Or is it +3
midnight kraken
Staff can get +3 to fire gems and +2 to spell gems pog
dusty umbra
So we talking bout skitterbots + unbound ailments for any build that can afford 39% reservation
terse lance
well over all if you do it right not taking money in to account you can make up to lvl30 well if you coorupt it you get a lvl 29 9 gem or more if you get a good double corruption out of it so 30+ on a gem seems doable this leage
21 gem +4staff+4double corruption +empower
with the manan changes you can make a flameblast that onshots shaper
if you use the helmet for manan usesed as spell power
dusty umbra
@compact junco tbh i have a stuipid idea to use covenant as 7th link for poison setup, lvl 15 added chaos dmg is prolly better chan cherubims and 10% inc life is not completely terrible
will have to play with some pob once gems are there
wild arch
Anyone tested whether claw or dagger nodes are better now? 🤔
Maybe even viper strike foils?
patent canyon
new supports are limited tho to claws and daggers
and claws are still better than daggers atm
ember lodge
I'm curious about Elusive mechanics and Withering Step. When you use a skill after Withering Step, it says it removes the buff. Does that include the Elusive it initially granted, anyone know?
low kindle
You will have only one elusive, from withering step
ember lodge
so if you crit with assassin for example after that and refresh elusive, would that be a normal elusive or the amped version from withering step?
eager terrace
using a skill should only remove the wither aura and phasing
you can't refresh the withering elusive with a crit
only wither will remove and "refresh" an existing elusive
otherwise elusive has to expire before it can be regained
ember lodge
So if you have the node Mistwalker, pop Withering, and keep critting, you can maintain the amped up version of Elusive until theres nothing left to crit?
eager terrace
no, elusive cannot be refreshed
only wither specifically does that
so if you are critting nothing happens until that elusive expires
ember lodge
Huh, ok I assumed it could be refreshed. Fair enough then ty
eager terrace
in fact reading it again I'm less sure using a skill doesn't remove the elusive wither applied
but you could reapply it immediately afterwards if you had mistwalker and just crit something
will have to check in game, but even if the elusive stays after you do something and drop wither's aura, you can't refresh the elusive it granted
ember lodge
time to rewatch footage and see if it helps
lucid stone
Can withering step get more than 6 withers on an enemy?
eager terrace
from the gem wording, I don't think so
versed warren
why was SRS on the gem list? I don't see anything changed on it
eager terrace
I think they just changed SRS so that they will focus an enemy if you target it when you activate it
versed warren
ahh
grand dune
how many oils are there again? And they are 3 to 1 upgradable right?
it was 12 i finally found it
dusty umbra
13 unique notables iirc
tidal ruin
so very close......
grand dune
i meant the oils not the notables. I just wanted to know how many combinations there are.
runic fractal
364
grand dune
so are there a few doubles or empty ones?
runic fractal
No
According to what i've heard, is that there's, with the new notables and the hidden notables are exactly 364
grand dune
wiki says 334 and + 13 is 347 ?
runic fractal
Does wiki account for ALL those new notables they're introducing in 3.8?
grand dune
not sure
runic fractal
Well, it doesn't ^_^
grand dune
so you can put in 3 of the same oil and get a notable? or is it somehow restricted?
like only unique oils or max of 2 of the same
runic fractal
To my knowledge, you can put 3 of the same oils in.
runic fractal
What do you mean with "or anywhere"? I'd guess it would be a map drop only.
runic fractal
Isn't blight maps just a chance to drop, like regular maps? So instead of a regular, it'd be a blight instead
low kindle
I have a feeling they only drop from blighted monsters
runic fractal
Did you see trailers and spoilers they've been posted ever since it got released?
sacred tiger
I just watched that today https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YflJdWR2Nls
midnight kraken
Wait a minute
I feel like something is not right
What was the
The date of delve patch notes post
almost exacly year ago?
Found them
FOUND IT
GGG LIED TO US FOR 1 YEAR
STACKKABLE?! EHM
Now we gonna get "stackable" oils
Also there are resonators under it called "Delve socketable currency"
west fiber
okay, your point ? why care xD
midnight kraken
I want "stackable" currency to actually be "stackable", so I'll have more space.
My point is the oils from Blight also are named "Stackable"
west fiber
Maniac, patch notes can change
last second decisions can be made
well, they might be, they might be not, who knows until launch xD
runic fractal
But oils are stackable? I think they even showed us this.
fallen tulip
having 20 different fossil types taking up their individual slots sucked though
fossil shore
I see no reason, why oils shouldn't stack
I'm sure ggg reduced the stackability of fossils to 1, because their techstack did not have proper and safe handling for SOCKETABLE things that can stack
they changed that over time
west fiber
exactly, that is why it was a last second decision to not do it at that time and do it now, that they have a safe way to do them. (i.e there could have been cases where if you use 1 fossil inside a resonator it would consume them all, and/or crash).
Also hello NeverSink, how you doing 🙂
tidal frost
Stack size 1 = stackable
Probably some horrible bugs destroying your item if they didnt reprogram how stacking works for socket able currency yeah
Resonator with 20 fossils in it
west fiber
huh, or having infinite fossils because someone forgot to decrease the count size per use :kappa:
sly tusk
Ye
runic fractal
Would be amazing if you put a fossil in, and it'd just unstack to your curser that way
sly tusk
Or if they want to go turbo cool mode, you should be able to put a 10 stack of fossils into the socket of a 10 stack of resonators
keen fjord
Too bad infernal Legion deals flat damage, was planning for minion hp stacking
tidal frost
Mi still exists
And caustic ground belt
So hp can still be good for a bomber, but not if you were just going to sustain IF
mental apex
Would infernal legion and RF stack tho 🤔
wild arch
Anyone got a poison occultist pob or something like that? 🤔
wanton rivet
Gonna make some janky selfcast vd with desecrate totems 🤪 or the other way around maybe
pale depot
teal axle
its actually sad how much better PP is than mjolner
tidal frost
Mjolnir does have much better stats, but 400 str. Also accuracy change buffed it a bit
and lighting only of course
All spells is oo
Op
teal axle
its also hit, not attack
wild arch
Can anyone share a generic poison assassin pob?
Every time I try to make something either the poison is too weak or I'm too squishy
dusty umbra
@wild arch https://pastebin.com/hkLg7q0p this is work in progress with godtier claws taken from one of other pobs
wild arch
Godtier
dusty umbra
just replace with wasp nests for 50% of deeps (has a jewel for cobralash workaround and lvl 30 vicious for it's buffed dmg)
spice cipher
@dusty umbra what would you drop to make it a lvl90 tree?
wild arch
Alright so what's up with carrion golems
Is there any info on whether the minion flat phys is affected by golem buff effect?
mental apex
it will be
wild arch
Oh, also did they mention if minions are finally supportable by rage?
midnight phoenix
No mention = no change
wild arch
Build idea
Guardian with buff spectres and carrion golem to boost an aggressive facebreaker animated guardian
quiet geyser
that actualy sounds funny
wild arch
Send your little kenshiro on a bloody rampage
wild arch
Without any setup whatsoever facebreakers have 1k more dps than a crappy foil .-.
Needs a bit more investment
quiet geyser
yea but every added will scale insane with it
wild arch
I already put the best flat phys gear on it except loreweave
quiet geyser
i dont think its worth it
pillar has realy low dmg and 1000 strength is probebly not enaught
(you 2k)
quiet geyser
hm okay myb
wild arch
But how do you achieve 2k str on a guardian
quiet geyser
xDDDD
will be hard
and then you can stack shapers touch and the other chest piece
and then shaverons and boost with even more auras
wild arch
Oh
Wasp nest chains of command
Poison minion army
Huh
Mirror and blink arrow minions gain a massive damage boost for decay
violet nymph
does MF affect this league?
silver kettle
It's presumably the same as Legion - it affects the regular loot drops of the enemies, but not the end-of-encounter rewards
wild arch
Skitterbots will work with Infernal Legion, though it will increase their reservation cost.
So... shock aura infernal skitterbot with flame surge mines?
mental apex
so skitterbots are damage immune yes?
wild arch
Says so on the gem page
mental apex
i could fit skitterbots in my build if i reduce the mana reserve from herald of purity, thats free shock/chill for my dom blow build 
glad narwhal
can the secondary part of detonate dead not crit?
tidal frost
it can crit
tidal ruin
I never realized
oh god
If you shatter an enemy, they explode and deal AoE cold damage to enemies near them
from herald of ice
oh man
the poison and bleed rings are to trigger herald of ice???
mental apex
HoI is only frozen eneies yes?
mental apex
the rings chill, not freeze tho
tidal frost
yo udont need to freeze
tidal ruin
they cause shatter
tidal frost
just shatter
tidal ruin
it doesn't matter if u freeze
grizzled moth
Wait, how would violet oil do anything on blighted map - the enemies don’t drop anything do they? Only the chests?
Or is the blighted map the exception?
Also there are items that say things like poisoned enemies you kill shatter @mental apex
midnight kraken
Looks like golden oil will be pure gold
tough musk
huh....that list of map modifiers on the bottom of the oils list looks like it's also the order in which the exchanges happen...nuts that means the annointment I want is going to take forever to get.
native sonnet
suppah, they do, in 1 of the vid, u see items dropping at the end on the blight center
similar to legion 5way
grizzled moth
Oh, so that is the part affected - which now I have remembered that that was a thing, I assume scales based on enemies killed and quantity mods. Thank you for the reminder.
kindred dagger
lol so they just give the anointment tab lol its xmas before time
tough musk
Hmm...I wonder if the ring annointments will stack with themselves. Two chill effect rings together could be pretty nice, or maybe two chilling tower range. One each should be good enough either way.
placid grotto
blah Thunderous Salvo needs 2x of the gold oils
tidal frost
....how big can golem aura effect get?
honest egret
i wonder, if if allocate a node with the oils, can i path from it ?
tidal frost
no
tawdry raptor
hey guys , Hybrid flask calculate as mana and life flask?
wild arch
Some guy calculated the value of elementalist's golem nodes with primordial chain, 2 eminences and anima stone
That shit was ridiculous
tidal frost
I have dumb build idea. max carrion golem + facebreaker animated guardian
tidal frost
probablyt was like 10 in the calc?
wild arch
But at that point the golems themselves will most likely be stronger tbh
You know what sounds better? Blink/mirror arrow clones
silver kettle
@tawdry raptor neither
wild arch
Set them up with a carrion golem, aura guardian and maybe frenzy spectres or something
vestal gulch
TR mines untouched
ez game
mechanics changed
interaction with TR is the same
possibly better
now that we can spam mines FASTER
more mines, more pods, MORE DEEEEPS
wild arch
I dunno
I think TR traps might be better
The double damage mines are pointless for it
The more damage ones might be ok
tidal frost
new mines are not nearly as DoT friendly
wild arch
Traps seem to have more upfront burst
What I am interested in is flame surge mines with an infernal skitterbot running around
Speaking of infernal legion
What's the point of it
I mean damage wise
The base damage is somewhat decent but you can't scale it much
And it doesn't stack as far as I'm aware
Elemental army is one way to scale it
Hmmm
Give glitterdisc to your infernal minions?
tidal frost
it doesnt stack; but it sscales with gneric minion dmg so theres some scaling
for gems the same as RF except with minion dmg gems as well
wild arch
Oh shit
Chains of command 7th sun army
Necro aegis glitterdisc
The animated weapons will ignite on hit which will cause them to do 100% Inc damage with infernal
If you stack enough resist they might end up outhealing the self damage too
wild arch
What stats does it give again?
tidal frost
fortify wouldnt add dmg I suppose
wild arch
Burning damage support
tidal frost
nor stop buring
wild arch
Hmm
tidal frost
wild arch
Does minion instability count as a minion hit
tidal frost
the minion is dealing the dmg yeah
wild arch
So if you make infernal glitterdisc minions does that mean instability will ignite? 
tidal frost
hope your main guardian doesnt die tho
wild arch
He'll live just fine
tidal frost
instability is like 33% less hp
wild arch
Meat shield him up in a minion helmet
Man there are so many interesting things chains of command can do now
But none of that is a suitable league starter
Unfortunately you're not allowed to have a carrion golem with it
I threw up a caged god chains build that had theoretical 5 mil shaper DPS
But you're never gonna have full upkeep of all 50 weapons on a boss
kindred dagger
A lot of build got this issue if you can have all set up you canhave some dps but thats rarely the case
we'll see now but after poison nerf few leagues ago this was the case like you couldnt really count on applying a decent amount of poison so dps calculations pretty fucked up
wild arch
White wind chain army
Trypanon army 
Wait a fucking minute
Feeding frenzy dervishes?
kindred dagger
why not ?
i tried dancing duo last time its clearly not bad and its fun
its a fun delving build generaly the problem is single target damage so depend you can mix it up with something else or just keeping the build as a delve farmer or things like that more for fun
wild arch
Wouldn't death mark solve the single target?
violet nymph
I wonder if they programmed the aggressive/defensive mod to work on everything
Will it work with soulwrest?
wild arch
Depends
wild arch
Like skeletons for example already have more aggro range so they dash when aggressive to reach enemies faster
Srs might be aggressive by default
violet nymph
And I know zombies are defensive by default
wild arch
They're neutral
violet nymph
I believe SRS is actually deathmark by default
Zombies are specifically very defensive, they’ll stop attacking to walk in front of you
wild arch
They're neutral
violet nymph
Obviously that’s the old mechanics though, not sure what they’ll be post 3.8
kindred dagger
stop with death mark really its not the minion miracle solution the gem is trash all those new gem are pretty bad
wild arch
They'll aggro anything you attack
kindred dagger
or they could have been way better
violet nymph
lld who shit in your cereal
I’m discussing game mechanics and you choose to come in and gripe
wild arch
Defensive minions will do absolutely nothing until something walks right up to them
kindred dagger
the fuck this white knight ignore dumbass
violet nymph
Defensive minions will do absolutely nothing until something walks right up to them you
wild arch
Same thing
craggy kernel
*Blight mechanics brainstorming sessions: *
- Ok guys, we need new stash tabs ideas, our stash tabs artist is getting bored.
- ...Oil
- Go on...
- We kill stuff, they drop oil, and we can oil our gear. Lots of combination, you need a stash tab.
- ... Genius!
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f8/d5/60/f8d56017ff9b97b28adfb42aee866125.jpg
(sorry for the interruption, you can resume arguing about stuff that cannot be tested until tonight)
wild arch
violet nymph
Fair tbh
craggy kernel
I think the new gems are a good addition, as they give a boost, and define a behaviour at the same time
so you don't have to go in a menu a define a behaviour for each of your pets
and it solves the issue of "what if I temporarily want to change that behaviour and resume to the previous behaviour when done"
it's good design
violet nymph
Yeah I like the new AI, it gives me hope that my animate weapons will stop spending 40% of their time alive thinking about which target to hit
craggy kernel
fits right in with PoE's playstyle
but we'll always have people that don't see the bigger picture, and that's fine.
wild arch
I don't even care about the dps, I just want to stack max speed zombies
violet nymph
Dude same
craggy kernel
I will play trap as my starter, so I'm not too concerned about the trap AI
violet nymph
Something that’s definitely going to get a lot better is animate guardian (key word: better, not good). The biggest hold back of the build is that the guardian doesn’t fucking do anything, he just sits there for the majority of the time
wild arch
Feeding frenzy blink/mirror minions have a high chance of being insane
violet nymph
what do you mean by blink/mirror?
wild arch
Blink and mirror arrows create minions that use your bow and quiver with massive damage boosts
violet nymph
Also does anyone remember what the reminder text on feeding frenzy is?
frosty aurora
violet nymph
Is feeding frenzy 15% more damage?
frosty aurora
Anointing Enchantments Table with Notable Effect
wild arch
violet nymph
I meant the reminder text for the buff
They released it a while ago but I can’t find it on mobile
wild arch
Oh
wild arch
I didn't even realize that O_O
violet nymph
Ye it’s a nice little buff
(It’s actually quite substantial and shouldn’t be taken lightly. This is very important)
wild arch
Hmm
What would happen if you made ranged spectres defensive 🤔
(Minion deadeye looks weird)
I just realized something
Ahn's set on animated guardian
Didn't minions only have 1 charge but with triple the effect or something like that?
Wait a minute...
If feeding frenzy is a global buff, doesn't that mean that the strongest minions you'd have would be death mark meat shields against melee range enemies?
Which means you can totally go guardian, give purity minions frenzy and dom blow minions meat shield
I like the idea of poison minions 
Raw comparison says dom blow's minions have 1k more poison dps than wasp nest AW
But you can only have 9 doms vs up to 50 weapons
Heralds of purity have a lot of health 🤔
Making them infernal and unstable sounds tempting
POG
MARK OF THE RED COVENANT FINALLY HAS A PURPOSE
UNSTABLE RAGING SPIRITS WILL IGNITE ON EXPLOSION
celest atlas
anyone saw any information about the availability of the update for steam ??
silver kettle
It's always available about 2.5 hours before launch
celest atlas
juast asked because there post only talked about the torrent method
silver kettle
Yeah that's supplementary to the normal download via patcher
It's just for people with slow net
midnight kraken
I would really like to know how "inc and red to minion damage also affects you" work with new AI control gems
patent canyon
no
silver kettle
The one thing that does work is Feeding Frenzy with Spiritual Command
You get attack speed from the feeding frenzy buff
midnight kraken
The one thing that I was thinking about(and I guess it won't work because it would be op) to make 2l any minion + death mark, use death mark on boss and you will get inc. minion aka global dmg bonus
This should, however, work if you link "attack minion" gem like dominating blow
Just something that has "minion" tag to allow use of deathmark and something with "attack/spell" tag that you can actually use as your damage source
Uh oh
spiritual aid gives "Increases and reductions". Does it work with "more and less"?
midnight phoenix
no
midnight kraken
Because minion damage support and new minion AI improvement gems have "more", not "increased"
midnight phoenix
yes