compared to my normal revenue in a league
#1┃mirage-league
teal axle
clear adder
Just takes a few good drops
clear adder
lul
eager terrace
that new crusader node is p nice
it's slightly more DPS for me than throatseeker/heartseeker
teal axle
yeah its a really healthy change imo to move away from ascendancies that were specific to a skill
because it was really poor imo
eager terrace
very slightly yeah
clear adder
isn't crusader from oils?
eager terrace
yeah
teal axle
I thought it was the updated guardian nodes
clear adder
updated guardian nodes are weird
teal axle
yeah I thought radiant crusade was a guardian node
eager terrace
there's an oil notable called Crusader
clear adder
we are talking about crusader
teal axle
oh
eager terrace
it's just 8% mana and the same 30% inc mana as damage as the hiero node
eager terrace
which gives me a little over 60% inc dmg
eager terrace
what do you mean
clear adder
just the %inc damage starts to fall off a bit as you go higher and higher
eager terrace
oh sure in general
I'm just saying for my level of mana it's still enough to beat any other DPS notable I can find
clear adder
That is pretty good
eager terrace
but cutting it close compared to 30% crit multi
so it's good there's another oil option on the table
but I still kinda just want flash freeze for the proj speed
clear adder
FP does love projectile speed
clear adder
Yep
teal axle
ugh
eager terrace
I think 20% proj speed and 10% chill effect is probably worth any potential DPS loss
clear adder
Golems are super easy and very strong
teal axle
I've never tried em
so
Ive watched some videos
and they seem to have good range to aggro to
and good damage
so
clear adder
plus golems are just going to be stronger with the new elementalist node
teal axle
plus they're adding golem nodes
yeah
which means we can do
6 carrion, 1 ice 1 lightning 1 stone 1 chaos
eager terrace
but they don't shatter the screen for that wonderful noise
clear adder
lol
eager terrace
shatter noise kept me going from 99 to 100
clear adder
Then get good
teal axle
for these ice golems
clear adder
😉
teal axle
because this PoB is using war banner and I aint about that life
vast gazelle
Holy shit the casual bodyslam to tornado shot enchant
I'm also #suspicious of these Mana changes
teal axle
nah hit me with em
I just want to know if Im hating myself properly or playing totems
golem stuff is gonna be pricey because of just how much you need of all of it
clear adder
?
vast gazelle
Yeah I'm not gonna do a golemancer immediately
teal axle
plus an anima stone
clear adder
You can get by with just a clayshaper early mapping
clear adder
like clayshapers go for alchs lol
clear adder
Fair
teal axle
Ideally I can get all my stones, clayshaper, victarios and some decent 4links for under 100c to get moving
clear adder
Early league my focus is just finish story, then farm a tabula
teal axle
yeah
clear adder
Everything else is extra at that point
If I have some extra chaos to throw around I look for really cheap items that will be much more expensive later in the league
teal axle
yeah I dont spec usually
this leaguestart is gonna be rough for me
so pray for me so I can get my ex drop early and afford my meme garbage
clear adder
lol
teal axle
impale carrion golems lets go
clear adder
I never get Ex drop
Meanwhile my shitty friend started 3.6 as a freakin TS MF build... He found 3 ex and was able to fund it completely early.
teal axle
I got some last league but that was because legion was high mob density
synthesis I was super poor
betrayal I got an early pure stone from it that fled, sold it cheap and funded my build
yeah
my buddy usually pms me with how much currency he makes by like day 3
he had some 25ex in stuff
and I was in act 6
lmao
clear adder
I was like "dude that build is never going to work you need so much currency to get it off the ground, it isn't a viable starter"
clear adder
Then he showed me with luckerdog power, anything can work
teal axle
day 1 6link cane of unraveling
clear adder
lol
in 3.7, another buddy of mine got his 6 link bow for 10 chaos from a korean player... Still trying to wrap my head around that one.
teal axle
was like fully kitted out by day 3, respecced into lowlife, respecced into atziri shield/12ex wand/belt by day 6
and I was struggling along with the mistake thats discharge mjolner
mjolner is garbage btw, I dont care what anyone else says
clear adder
lmao
clear adder
No matter how much it is, TS MF takes more 😛
clear adder
Yeah but the investment is steep
oh, speaking of which the buddy from 3.6 that did TS MF
Got a windripper drop
clear adder
and 6 linked it in 5 fusings
teal axle
I havent 6 linked since essence league lol
clear adder
I can't be bothered to luck out
eager terrace
dang really
teal axle
after I dumped 1100 into my crab chest in beastiary
and just gave up
I was farming uberlab fine on a 4link
eager terrace
6L is like one of my favorite things to do in a new league haha
clear adder
Man
teal axle
I was losing so much currency
clear adder
It just never works for me
clear adder
I spent 3000 fusings trying to 6-link my soulmantle in 3.6
teal axle
ever since then I just sell fuses
clear adder
After that something inside me broke
teal axle
yeah..
clear adder
and I didn't try since
eager terrace
yeah I dunno if I would bother on a soul mantle
but it feels like it might be more expensive this league
clear adder
Maybe..
teal axle
my first 6link was the last day of perandus on a trypanon I was yoloing currency into out of boredom
essence league was my belly of the beast for warchief totems
eager terrace
like when I ran HFT I needed a shaper crit chest
teal axle
ever since then I dont bother
clear adder
This league I am going to try to get a really early sudo 6-link helm to tide me over actually
teal axle
yeah thats different though
crafting is worth it
most of my builds use unique chests
eager terrace
so I'm not about to wait for someone to craft and sell a 6L shaper chest that works
teal axle
Im a bit scared to try to golemancer
because all of these builds want fuckin 6link elder maim life chests
and I aint about that life
clear adder
Yeah but in that scenario I just buy a pre-linked 6 socket chest and craft from there
teal axle
i wonder if anyone made garb of the ephemeral work
every time I look at it its like
garbage
clear adder
it is a weird one for sure
teal axle
like
its great
you cant get crit
you cant be frozen/ignore most of chill and temp chains
clear adder
Mjolnir build tbh
teal axle
cyclone would build up divinity stupid quick
because its 10 hits
its just
400 more int
than most mjolner builds can manage
I was struggling to get to balance 400/300, still have resistances and damage
you'd have to do non discharge, at the very least
because no kingsguard anyways
timid geyser
Animate guardian shirt
clear adder
lol
where is quality of life for animate guardian
literally one of the most interesting skills
and borderline useless
timid geyser
Meatshield is pretty pog
teal axle
the defensive one specifically
clear adder
yeah but when it dies...
teal axle
and except some stupid expensive weapon
their gear is usually cheap af
springdrum, leer mask, etc
but its very hard for them to die
most of them can usually tank shaper beam and regen through it once you get setup
clear adder
easier for you to die
mental apex
what is springdrum?
clear adder
I see animated guardian as like a extra spending option
teal axle
clear adder
Since you need some Chaos to even look at them
teal axle
springleaf
my bad
springleaf drum is a magic card so I just like
shorthanded it in my mind
but 3% life regen, 3% when lowlife
is a ton of regen for a minion with 20k hp
teal axle
ripperoo
clear adder
Sounds like financial suicide to go minions
teal axle
I mean minions are usually piss cheap
clear adder
Yeah.
eager terrace
like I was telling people that a week ago
clear adder
and way more expensive than they have ever been
eager terrace
minions are one of those things people actively want to be good
clear adder
I won't be able to casually pick up a +3 minion helm this league for like 2c
A item people usually throw away mind you
But minion playstyle still isn't for everyone
So if you give it a little bit
people will drop off
But hopefully Mathil changes his mind
Go play something else, nerd
eager terrace
I dunno man minions are just a popular archetype
PoE is probably the least popular I've ever seen it
but like everyone loved D2 necro even though he was garbo
silver kettle
There are an enormous number of PoE players who will never touch minions
silver kettle
"just don't like the playstyle" is super common to hear
clear adder
Dropping right on top of someone
nuking them with your 80 minions and leaving.
Holding your beast axe in hand to give all of them fanta
Sigh
Good times
static token
Ya, I'm in the never liked summoner group. I can't see ever wanting to play it. Cool for those that do, but I'm fine with it not being my bag.
clear adder
The biggest thing that pushed me away from summoner was how tedious it was to do spectres
But that isn't really much of an issue anymore
now if I want I can just pop into solaris temple and grab solar guards
not care about anything
void wing
Questionable tree.lua download somewhere.
carmine fiber
no images?
compact junco
check pins
timid geyser
There should be a reddit thread with everything
carmine fiber
guess im not gonna see it then
compact junco
uly has nice album there
tranquil beacon
shukran habibi
compact junco
if you have something specific in mind I can screenshot it for you :d
carmine fiber
unironically loading a reddit page 
timid geyser
Doesn't have eveything, but it has majority of the stuff
carmine fiber
just the passive tree tbh
at this stage im playing ele hit most likely since it looks to be mostly unchanged
zero interesting changes, super residentsleeper imo
compact junco
there is a lot of interesting stuff for minions and dots, but for attacks and spells not much
carmine fiber
its like
"here there are more levels enjoy"
and i guess poison
if you like poison it gud
timid geyser
I mean there are some neat stuff with hiero + necro for spell based builds also.
silver kettle
I'm keen to look at 50% MoM Hiero self cast again
It's something I've almost played a couple of times but always gotten distracted from
Now that it gets 80%+ inc AoE I might commit
static token
I don't know if there is anything I want to play self cast right now. Maybe Incinerate, haven't touched it since the re-work. But it kinda seemed like it could be a spell version of Blade Flurry.
wise forge
Ctrl + f not finding Heiro in the leak thread. Where can I find the info on Heiro?
static token
Pinned messages
wise forge
Perfect. Tyvm
vast gazelle
Brands should be thicc as usual self cast
wild arch
Which skill has the fattest ignites 
languid path
DI
static token
Brands need some unique item support. Just for some weird interactions. But ya, still fun to play, along with Worb.
wild arch
Does inquisitor's resist ignore on crit apply to ignite?
languid path
not for the ignite
silver kettle
Chieftain is competitive for ignite builds now
wild arch
Didn't they say something along the lines of it's worse if you stack burn multi?
timid geyser
Unless you stack a whole bunch of multi +25% multi > 15% more burning
Since all sources of DoT Multi are additive with eachother.
wild arch
Yeah but I plan on stacking it
wild arch
Is elementalist any good ever since the prolif removal
clear adder
Elementalist only build is golems
silver kettle
Elementalist was also never good for ignites compared to Trickster
eager terrace
not totems 
wild arch
Are you sure about that
timid geyser
You'd need over 66% DoT Multi (not included the 25% from node) for it to be worse.
wild arch
There's way more in the leaks alteady
carmine fiber
if you want ailments you use DI
🤷
im pissed about mathil making a DI build tho
😡
timid geyser
Overall it is still a buff not matter what since this mechanic is getting implemented in the first place.
eager terrace
yeah but at least he isn't league starting it
timid geyser
Just hope he doesn't mention DI in his league starter build list 😉
static token
I think it was strong enough that it will be in his starter list. Sadly, as it looks like it will be great in Blight.
wild arch
Incinerate feels kinda forgotten
static token
Ya, looked fun enough but it wasn't one shotting uber elder so nobody cared.
wild arch
I still kinda wanna try the brain rattler ignite EQ
But I know it won't be anywhere close .-.
Oh shit
Does anyone know if the attack/cast speed from necro's corpse consumption count as a buff?
Like does it give MoF stacks
languid path
nope
midnight kraken
I've just read development manifesto so
uhm
+5 to gem staves?
Ehm
You all trying to write something but nothing comes
languid path
I assume the necro node would be like rage and other ascendancy nodes, so just a status that grants you speed
languid path
I meant
ggg can make it a buff if they want, but just basing off of it granting speed means nothing
wild arch
If it's a buff then it's gonna be broken
Mantra gladiator can already have several hundreds of flat fire damage
But it's awkward to sustain
While a cwdt loop necro will be able to sustain around 300 stacks easily
languid path
hey maybe it doesn't even count as stack
wild arch
Every corpse has its individual counter
Just like glad
Idk about you but leap slamming with around 600% attack speed and around 1k flat fire for virtually no investment sounds pretty good to me
wet plaza
Did you even test mantra interaction with corpses
wild arch
And don't forget regenerating over 400% es per second
I didn't
That's why I asked
I tested gladiator's block interaction and it works
This should work as well in theory
wet plaza
Doubt it. The es regen is capped already from the ascendancy
wild arch
I'm fairly certain the 8% over 2 seconds when you consume a corpse should stack
languid path
just because something stack doesn't mean it's a buff
burnt finch
Trickster is the way to go for fireball ignite builds? What about Assa with the new crit scaling?
languid path
if you're preferring to mistress of sacrifice then I'm very sure it's not a buff as there is no buff icon
wet plaza
That'd be way too insane if it stacks
timid geyser
Yeah it doesn't stack.
If it does, there is going to be some really broken stuff coming out of it.
Like really broken......
modern radish
yo someone who has the new tree for 3.8 in path of building, can you filter minion life regen and screen it?
lament zodiac
only 4 nodes
modern radish
ouch
modern radish
ight
cuz i wonder how i can keep infernal legionnaire skeletons alive
ofc max fire res
modern radish
for their duration, yea
lament zodiac
dont you want them to explode for MI?
silver kettle
leech is always an option
lament zodiac
Until the infernal gem is confirmed not shit I wouldn't try work out how to use it yet
if you dont want it to make skeles go boom boom
just put another dmg gem in its probably better
lament zodiac
shrug its said its an alternative to melee splash and that didn't help clearspeed all that much 😛
modern radish
hm
north dragon
does zombies have inbuilt splash in 3,8?
lament zodiac
Zombies have a slam attack
which is aoe
@modern radish have you considered Guardian?
Guardian can make MI from a base of 22 radius to 30
28 without heartboundloops I suppose
everyone else can only get 25 without hearbound loops
low kindle
Guardian?
lament zodiac
Ascendancy for minions got buffed
its now basically just a super aura for allies
onslaught, 30% increased aoe, taunt and unnerve on hi, cast speed, move speed, damage and 10% more damage in 2 nodes (4).
for allies.
vivid meteor
perfect agony still keeps the 30% hit dmg penalty, right?
near thunder
modern radish
As i said psy, im going to get a fast clear build, non bomber first. so MI is not the plan atm
low kindle
Wtf is unnerve
timid geyser
Speculation is that it is intimidate but for spells.
lament zodiac
Surely AoE helps clear though, was what I was saying
timid geyser
@vivid meteor yes
vivid meteor
thx
empty dagger
hot flax
I believe it'll definitely be a huge change
runic fractal
Necromancer no longer got +1 minions.
It actually annoys me a little, they removed +1 to gems vendor recipe for wands.
Gonna make SrS worse for leveling 😦
tidal path
@violet nymph the +1 spectre is still there in the leak
fallen tulip
I wonder if corpse skills will be better for lvling
wild arch
Zerphi's heart is still expensive right? 🤔
fallen tulip
Wtf they nerfed the amount of mines and traps even more
The Shaper/Elder modifiers that granted +1 to Traps Thrown or Mines Placed will no longer appear.
dusty umbra
So with agony change and poison being popular Abysus best helmet for scaling poison dmg out of helmets
I guess crown of tyrant is another option
midnight kraken
Sentinels from dominating blow crusade slam is merged into the gem, that's a nice buff for my incoming necro build lol
paper surge
Did all 13 secret passives get leaked/revealed?
gloomy dune
all are leaked in the leaked pob tree
dusty umbra
Where's the leaked pob tree?
twin rampart
TS is no longer king of projectiles
I played bows way too god damn long to know
between fork and +1 proj nerf it's pretty much dead if you're talking about speed clearing
dusty umbra
enchant removal is ehhh, but fork "fix" imo is much bigger loss
twin rampart
enchant removal is pretty huge
dusty umbra
people will just switch to ice-shot or lightning arrow
twin rampart
the +1 projectile scaled exponentially
even if you removed the fork nerf and kept +1 it would have remained top projectile skill
I mean kept fork nerfed, but didn't remove +2 enchant
now LA is king of clearing
dusty umbra
fork was like 200-300% more tho
twin rampart
i know
the two of them together = why ts was busted
i want to be stupid and do explosive arrow assassin
pretty sure it won't work though
dusty umbra
yes gief please
restive wren
EA might be okay. Not T1 but the changes to damage over time multipliers and crits could be enough to make it work
lament zodiac
They reduced maximum zombies you can get from tree by 1
runic fractal
No, by 2
lament zodiac
No i mean in total sir
Including the increase on the gem
maximum zombies without Items went from 10 to 9.
runic fractal
Oh, that's what you meant.
Well, i don't think it's so bad. I woulda loved more zombies, but 9 aint bad, and with some on gear, it'll be alright ^_^
modern radish
Ay psy, i got that tree fomr someone and put it in but it didnt work.. it just kept the old tree
i dont know how tf this shit works tbh
i also have 2 path of building maps
one is called path of building
the other pathofbuilding-master
and i honestly dont know what to do
lament zodiac
this in your Path of Building > TreeData > 3_7
you will need to turn show hidden files on in Organize to see ProgramData if you haven't already
runic fractal
You don't need to go through programdata tho
brazen stirrup
Hold up
They are nerfing HoP on guardian
Nooooo
I didnt have a chance to play it yet
Removing the bit of extra damage for them
The F A T aoe
And crusade slam
undone pagoda
Has there been any information on the Elementalist Golem node changes?
analog island
Hey guys! when is patchnotes?
brazen stirrup
In around 8 to 10 hours most likely
Oh man they replaced the flat man on hiero with 30% increased max mana
ew
And they removed the chance to get 0 mana costs if you went EB
smh
analog island
Thanks
torpid sonnet
@brazen stirrup some of the removed stuff like crusade slam is being added to the baseline skill
torpid sonnet
like what they did with the removed necro nodes
lament zodiac
@brazen stirrup no
brazen stirrup
Its still going to be janky as all hell
lament zodiac
Crusade slam isn't being added to the skill
the whole ascendancy node provides what Crusade slam did but for all minions
30% increased aoe for all minions
brazen stirrup
so it's a separate node?
lament zodiac
no
brazen stirrup
because this is all I've seen
lament zodiac
What do you think 30% increased damage, 30% increased area of eeffect, 15 incrased attack, cast and movespeed is?
brazen stirrup
Do you know what crusade slam even is
It's a different attack for herald of purity
With an 8 second or so cooldown
lament zodiac
an attack thats 30% bigger
brazen stirrup
No
lament zodiac
Okay if you say so. xD
brazen stirrup
If it was just 30% bigger there would be no point in getting it
It deals more than twice as much damage aswell
lament zodiac
Yeah I really don't think guardian is going to be struggling for damage.
wild arch
How does PA puncture bleed dagger gladiator sound? 🤔
runic fractal
Like a hassle to play
patent canyon
as long as you replace dagger with claw its fine
low kindle
It's ass even with bows
ionic yew
@lament zodiac they are adding crusade slam to the skill, it's just like zombies slam cd being added to the gem. Literally in the balance manefisto
patent canyon
with new agony and mod changes i believe it is possible for functional bleed build
wont be as good as updated poison, but... playable
ionic yew
They're adding more multiplier for dot to the tree
modern radish
even fire dot
ionic yew
Yes
They're making dot builds scale better with multipliers including crits
So fire builds can take EO or go for crit ignites
The balance manefisto is out so it covers everything they're changing. We just don't know exact numbers for everything yet.
patent canyon
we more or less do know what includes passive changes
crit dot fire spells for most part cant be played because elementalist doesnt have prolif anymore
and after you start investing into it you might as well just scale hit
fallen tulip
yeah since Herald of Ash
lucid stone
I miss HoA being an ignite
modern radish
oh boy i sure do love having 400 hours in this game and sti understanding nothing
ionic yew
Well most people used fire prolif supp anyways because the range of the prolif was higher than elemantalist
modern radish
especially people calling skills by like 2 ltters
i dont understand it, i have to look it up, always
patent canyon
but prolif wasnt 100% need or bust
now you always need it, no more mana spell leech either
its not unplayable but needs some buffs to see daylight in DoT builds
ionic yew
That's pretty much why they're adding multipliers so Cold dots don't out scale them because it's pretty unfair they've have multipliers for quite a while.
They're pretty much changing how crit affects dots as well so playing a crit build doesn't feel bad with dots
patent canyon
actually gonna try throwing something up in pob to see if something like ignite fireball can break 500k dot now on tabula and nothing else
patent canyon
it just.... doesnt wanna go up at all. also new fire dot nodes are on the other side of universe from perfect agony so might be better maybe to just not go crit at all and do some ee shenanigans
patent canyon
trickster
proven wadi
Trickster isn't a great ignite class. It's mediocre
cobalt quarry
There is a flask for perfect agony if you want to try that
wet plaza
Trickster is the best ignite class atm
patent canyon
yeah i guess you could do coralitas
its just that you want to do trickster, agony is in weird as place
ignite dot on templar area
spell crit on witch
you then are forced into eb mom since no life pathing
patent canyon
meh, i give up on ignite
fallen tulip
how about attack ignite crit?
could be a bit easier, if you just ignore the Fire Dot multipliers, or path via Scion?
proven wadi
Ignoring fire dot multipliers is a recipe for not doing decent ignite damage
fallen tulip
if instead you get 400% crit multiplier that turns to 200% dot multiplier?
how much fire dot multiplier can you get from pathing to templar area
proven wadi
How much investment is 400 crit multi
fallen tulip
idk should be alot tho
patent canyon
in a DoT build its really a lot
proven wadi
The thing is if you're trying to do crit ignite you might even be better off as assassin than trickster
outer stone
detonate dead ignite with the new necro corpse hp buff?
tidal ruin
the damage is there
patent canyon
that one sounds like it could do reasonable damage
patent canyon
yup, that sounds like a way to make an ignite build
outer stone
I'm interested to see how clean desecrate is now with new cast time
then maybe detonate dead mines
proven wadi
Bodyswap mines
limpid wigeon
bodyswap is weird
idk if i misinterpreted what the change was
but you can use it on enemies now?
outer stone
bodyswap totems
proven wadi
You don't need a corpse, you can now use it to move to a living enemy too
tidal ruin
but it doesn't do corpse damage on enemies
proven wadi
No lol
tidal ruin
yeah if you have enough damage
proven wadi
It doesn't explode the enemy, anyway
limpid wigeon
I think it would be neat if you could teleport inside of a living enemy if your damage reached a certain % of its hp
proven wadi
That'd be complicated
limpid wigeon
that way you'd need corpses for bosses, but you could teleport into packs and have plenty of corpses left to deal with the remaining rare
i guess so
tidal ruin
we don't know how poe is coded
limpid wigeon
But I think it hurts the theme of the skill being able to just teleport next to enemies with it
proven wadi
Eh the theme is fine
limpid wigeon
unless they buff bodyswap damage it's not really a viable choice anyway unfortunately
proven wadi
They might be
outer stone
how much hp do corpses have
tidal ruin
just go assassin with a 3-hander
limpid wigeon
would be nice
outer stone
is there a chart somewhere
tidal ruin
all the damage you could want
outer stone
Just curious about the 50% more on necro. 50% more on what
quick google had someone test out unearth
around 22k at level 85?
hoary snow
I'm curious to see if something stupid like New Bodyswap/Bladeflurry/Cast while Channeling might be fun
hoary snow
oh, I suppose incinerate might be better for that yeah
getting to move without needing corpses will make that pretty slick
teal axle
Bodyswap totem gang
hoary snow
oh yeah bodyswap totems will be hilarious
violet nymph
I wonder if desecrate totems would have a use now
lapis topaz
violet nymph
VD hmmm
hazy hollow
any new interesting https://www.specialtyproduce.com/sppics/113.png
violet nymph
VD stuff is gonna be nutty this league
queen gulch
How about that Plague Bringer skill? Which build/ascendency do you guys reckon would be best for supporting it?
violet nymph
Poison occ
queen gulch
Soulrend poison?
violet nymph
Ehh
patent canyon
might stack it in whole map...
violet nymph
You have to stack poison damage first
Soulrend doesn't have the hit damage for that
patent canyon
its just that occ is the only ascendency in the game that can increase its damage
its not affected by other modifiers outside poison damage you deal and total cap it can store limited by gem
violet nymph
Eh
violet nymph
Reminds me of what they did to molten shell, but slightly less garbage
wild arch
Uhhh
So you know how that gyre or whatever skill can potentially hit an enemy up to 30 times in 1 whirl?
hazy hollow
wanna see a neat trick exile ? .. pull my finger
wild arch
What if you used howa with that?
wild arch
It clearly worked with SA 
violet nymph
With the chain buff i might start SA
patent canyon
i just thrown random stuff into new PoB tree and my sa was doing more than 1m with shit gear
so now just waiting for patch notes to see if sa wasnt killed
wild arch
I mean it's always been like this
The question is do you have enough attack speed for it to not feel like shit
eternal laurel
I love SA, but I want to run assassin rather than another pathfinder, but I think it will be a very nice starter
queen gulch
I'm mentally deficient, so please tell me where I can get the json/lua/whatever I need to get the new tree working with PoB.
analog island
patch notes guys?
patent canyon
queen gulch
You're a pretty cool dude Path, thanks.
stray bough
compact junco
just replace your current tree.lua with it
wild arch
Where is the current one?
compact junco
/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Path of Building/TreeData/3_7/tree.lua for me if you were asking about the path to it
fallen pewter
dapper edge
what does Zanas mod "elder" do?
lyric ore
I don't have a tree data folder
compact junco
ofc you do, use windows search for it 🤷
patent canyon
show hidden folder
queen gulch
There is an additional 10% increased effect of flasks on the tree now. That's neat.
Might be a little bit easier making pathfinder soul catcher builds work.
fallen pewter
New minion nodes are cool
timid geyser
Alchemist already had 26% (on total wheel)
fallen pewter
The first one he uploaded is 3.8, that second one he uploaded was 3.7
fallen pewter
If anyone wants to fully support the 3.8 tree btw (conversions, proper handling of switching) you can drop this file in the ProgramData/Path of Building folder too. Just have to make sure you duplicate the 3_7 tree folder and add the new tree.lua to it, with the folder named as 3_8, instead of overwriting the 3_7's tree.lua. I suspect most people don't want the effort... but maybe someone likes the organization in PoB lol.
wet plaza
cool was too lazy to fix it myself \o
compact junco
nice, ty
wind lark
Is there any way to see the leaked tree on mobile? Can't use my work comp
fallen pewter
Nope.
timid geyser
+400% inc mana hiero with 60% mom is gonna be extra spicy meme
queen gulch
Uhhh boys, Guardian has had its minion nodes changed. Unwavering Crusade now makes your allies "Unnerve" on hit.
Care to take a guess at what it does?
timid geyser
Yup, probably intimdated for spells.
fallen pewter
Only +2 Skeletons on tree now, rip. Merged into skill gem.
timid geyser
To be fair they are already getting a bunch thrown into the skill gem
fallen pewter
Actually, one lost.
Max Skeletons is at 11 now instead of 12.
Without uniques
Far more minion damage on tree now though
queen gulch
I love that Radiant Crusade gives Onslaught to everyone as long as you have 5 allies nearby!
fallen pewter
38% minion movement speed at the cost of 7 points... worth it?
Plus damage and shit
timid geyser
Ehh, with the amount of movespeed you can probably get idk
Is it for the onslaught node?
timid geyser
That is really hard for me to justify getting unless you are a low minion build or es.
wet plaza
minion MS is direct QOL
fallen pewter
I wonder if that +1 golem cluster will be worth using on a traditional Necro.
For Carrion's bonuses.
timid geyser
I'd think so.
fallen pewter
Will have to see how the numbers pan out
timid geyser
Assuming no travel
timid geyser
Yeah, even golem gives the same amount of flat damage as an abby jewel it is worth.
queen gulch
Pretty huge buff to the Decay Ward cluster: 20% attack block, 10% spell block, 20% inc. minion life, 2% life recovered on block, all for the mere price of 3 points.
(minion block)
timid geyser
Still horrible location for minion builds
queen gulch
Not going to disagree.
timid geyser
But yeah definatly worth picking up for any build getting necro aegis.
fallen pewter
There's a lot of minion nodes in random places
timid geyser
Yeah, like the one below templar start is so weird.
Luckily pathing that way isn't even too bad
lament zodiac
Grave Intentions is so good 😦
but so hard to get to xD
you either really overpay for a jewel or use the less than optimal templar life nodes :/
undone timber
and Ravenous Horde ? that 20%ms its really good
lament zodiac
yeah thats a hard one to get to also :/
fallen pewter
I dunno if I'll be able to justify Ravenous Horde
compact junco
annoint, ez
undone timber
what are those ?
lament zodiac
notables on items
Ravenous Horde is justifyable as baron tbh
because you need to go get the +30 str node anyway
Grave intentions sorta just isn't 😦
it will be an amazing annoint though 😄
undone timber
is there any datamined annoint notable list ?
timid geyser
No datamine until torrent
static token
They might be on the passive tree I would think. And that should be out in a couple of hours, along with patch notes.
fallen pewter
Annointables are every single notable and the extra special ones.
At least that's how they said it.
undone timber
Ahh right
fallen pewter
Can see the hidden ones on the 3.8 tree directly
midnight kraken
Where are patch notes
path of notes
I hope we'll be able to pick new hidden notables with a jewel
haha
lament zodiac
Did they release all new gems/update to gems with patch notes last league?
I can't remember when things were released
fallen pewter
20/20 is the day after
grizzled moth
new (not linked to main tree) notables are oil anointment only though right @midnight kraken ?
teal axle
patch what does the golem cluster do
lament zodiac
20/20 is the name for releaseing gems?
teal axle
I cant get the file right now as Im at work
lament zodiac
The golem cluster is basically a mini version of elementalist ascendancy
midnight kraken
Well if they will place these notables somewhere near the 3-points jewels, you can use the jewel that allows you to pick passives not connected to your road
fallen pewter
x2 https://i.imgur.com/KTXWGhy.png and the notable https://i.imgur.com/rtxmEGg.png
lament zodiac
+1 golem +70% aura effect, 30 minion health and
lament zodiac
I feel like the Golem node will be less used than people first thought when they saw it
hot gyro
hey i cant strange wise dont see after i press the convert btn :/ i got error code
fallen pewter
I dunno what went wrong tbh
hot gyro
idk too bec i follow your instr. and nothing happens :/
fallen pewter
That 70% golem effect might be a significant buff for the flat phys Carrion gives tbh @lament zodiac
lament zodiac
Probably not
lament zodiac
I feel like if you want a super carrion build you will go elemancer now
and zomby builds wont care because things like baron provide insane damage already
there are so many just better things to take on the tree for minions now its impossible to choose
I think Dancing Duo builds actually use Elementalist now and get the 200% increased carrion aura effect just from 4 golems
but then spend all their jewel slots on more flat phys jewels?
wide totem
wait didnt carrion golem not stack with other golems
fallen pewter
I'll make it easier just in case, @hot gyro lol. Unzip this and drop it into C:\ProgramData\ directly.
fallen pewter
Overwrite whatever it asks for.
undone timber
I would like to use corpse mecanic, with DD or smthing... that free shock/chill is too good.. on the other hand those % buff effect from Golems is really good
hot gyro
it works now idk what happend
fallen pewter
Yeah it's meant to be used with other minions to buff itself. As opposed to exclusively a golem build @wide totem. But that just means if you have a giant hoard, and your Carrion is doing great damage... adding more of them is incredible.
teal axle
Im curious to see its numbers/attack pattern and if its better than ice or fire golem or not for golemancer
undone timber
more than 7 golems its not worth it right? 1 Base, 2 from asc, 1 from tree and 2 from anima and the other from the 1h mace ?
teal axle
I mean
if you're actually doing full golems
as your build
it totally is
primordial chain is another 3
so you're at 10
undone timber
yeah but that will cut a lot of damage
teal axle
not really
Im looking at my PoB
about 500k an ice golem cyclone
I got maybe 650k/700 if I drop the primordial chain
but Im losing 3 golems
at that point you're dealing more than enough damage that you'd rather be dealing damage consistently
so quantity becomes more valuable
undone timber
7 golems = 700% golem damage, 10 golems with chain its 65 * 10 wich is less ? maybe im not good at maths
teal axle
your individual golems might do more damage but you're hitting 30% less often
undone timber
yeah thats right
teal axle
I'd rather have the coverage
and consistency
when they're already 1 or 2 shotting things in t16s
lament zodiac
It basically depends if you actually want more minions than golems or not I suppose
undone timber
for this league more minions is better
lament zodiac
I imagine in some cases an Animate Guardian might be better than Primodial Chain
teal axle
not to mention the elementalist node gives more goelm effect for each golem
20% increased Golem Damage for each Golem you have Summoned
so 140 vs 200
undone timber
yeah thats why i was thinking between damage or buff effect
teal axle
yeah you also get 75% increased buff effect
we're running chaos stone and lightning golem for that reason
if we're running full carrion, we dont need ice or fire at all
undone timber
and what will be the optimal golem setup ? first time testing golemancer
teal axle
if we're getting 10
imo its 7 of your main golem
stone, lightning, chaos
stone and chaos are for you
lightning drops an aura
that simple
wet plaza
i'd not drop chains for anything, the MS are so valuable
undone timber
so no ice or fire ? i thought ice golem was a heavy dps machinegun
lament zodiac
But the MS is now replacable! 😄
wet plaza
speed doesnt have a cap
teal axle
ice golem is good
undone timber
woa 80-100
wet plaza
so not really replaceable
lament zodiac
Do you still need the speed for Fire golems?
wet plaza
you want speed for all minions
lament zodiac
Or is it just Iceboys?
teal axle
minion speed means they reach things to attack faster
wet plaza
it's the one feelgood stat you want
lament zodiac
Yeah but with new convocation cooldown and ranged things its less useful right?
teal axle
its probably the best QoL and actual efficiency stat for any minion that isnt able to target offscreen
lament zodiac
Also specs are specifically movespeed capped
teal axle
and golems arent
glad narwhal
patch notes today right?
patent canyon
y
lament zodiac
Yeah but Frenzy Fease, Frenzy Charges, new onslaught node and the 20% ms it provides
it might be overkill... probably isn't but might
undone timber
and the stones, they area all worth it or we are getting primordial eminence x3 ?
wet plaza
ms never is overkill as long as minons dont have a cap imo
craggy kernel
Anyone else planning an attack based Necromancer with The Scourge by any chance? I'd like to get some feedback on my stupid idea.
(also, I love that new Golem cluster)
lament zodiac
I wouldn't bother ravine unless you specifically aren't using zombies
Mont is probably better and doesn't require you to engage with shitty melee mechanics
I tried it last league and synthesis and was really disapointed both times
craggy kernel
I'm not using zombies. I was going for Cobra Lash poison, HoA/Phantasm/Yriel's Snake & Golems; summoned wolves as a bonus.
craggy kernel
idk, I'm open for suggestions, and Gyre was not revealed when I started taking notes ^^
lament zodiac
with cobra lash it might be worth it... anything where you don't have to do stupid attacks probably will work
craggy kernel
it does look good, but I find appealing the chain & poison with Lash.
patent canyon
claws dagger
lament zodiac
Gyre looks more user friendly maybe
I wouldn't count on doing too much damage yourself shrug
craggy kernel
I agree, that's why HoA stays the main thing
lament zodiac
Gyre with GMP probably gets virtulence well though
if you are using Necro be a bit careful about anything where your minions fluctuate below 10
your phys/ele resists will take a huge dive if you are using Bone Armour ascendancy
craggy kernel
with no %based summons, I think it'll top around (let me have a quick look)
undone timber
bone armour will be exclusive of nrecromancer ?
lament zodiac
It might be worth getting a zombie gem (7 zombies) just to keep the number up but obveously if you haven't invested they can die so its a bit :/
Bone armour, apparently according to the more recent reddit comment, is basically just Steel Skin but for minions + exile
literally the same skill but duplicated in an awkward and awful manner
craggy kernel
Snake, 2 golems, Relic (is that a minion?)
glad narwhal
probably different numbers
craggy kernel
I can paste the POB if you're curious about it, I'd love to have some actual feedback on it, and constructive criticism.
it's configured for the leaked tree.
(and has some placeholder gems in the skill tab, don't focus too much on that)
fallen pewter
There's so much minion tank on the tree now it's insane.
teal axle
minion league minion league
lament zodiac
I got an error code 😮
fallen pewter
And 0.8% total minion leech too
Doesn't error for me when I put it in.
Might be due to my extra modded file though.
craggy kernel
do you run the 3_8 tree.lua linked above @lament zodiac ?
teal axle
one of the best changes imo is we're getting a mana flask that doesnt end on full mana
timid geyser
Giving up a flask though 
fallen pewter
My problem with the mana flask thing is they ignored the existence of hybrid flasks.
lament zodiac
Yeah there is crazy minion tank....
snow cairn
and 100% uptime is stupid
lament zodiac
makes Golemancer and Baron so nice because yo udont need minio ndamage nodes really
I feel like Grave Inentions Annointed jewelry is going to be reeeeaaaaally expensive
craggy kernel
I can send you the tree code via Private Message and do a quick writeup of the items for reference if you're still curious @lament zodiac (to avoid polluting here with links and whatnot)
deft girder
They need to give pathfinder more flash duration as QoL.
fallen pewter
Just mash harder :)
craggy kernel
ah right, I'm also running the modded GameVersion file, could it be it that errors on your side Psy?
lament zodiac
Maybe? I dunno... I just copy pasted the lua file over 3.7's tbh
ages ago... dunno what the kids are doing these days
fallen pewter
Probably why. It doesn't detect it correctly.
lament zodiac
My tree works fine though 😄
craggy kernel
ah yeah, i'm running the GameVersion stuff, with the 3_8 folder
fallen pewter
Fully 3.7 backward compatible version of the tree leak. (update PoB first if you want to restore 3.7's tree)
Dump it into ProgramData. (unzip first obviously)
craggy kernel
I have a quick text only write up https://www.dropbox.com/s/eim5k2kfah0dk9d/Blight_league_starter_necrobra_lash.txt with items and skills, and the POB/Tree code
(I filled so many pages at work with builds...)
😄
dusty umbra
Venom gyre will probably need some proj speed nodes right?
snow cairn
probably looks similar to EK just grabbing weapon instead of spell nodes
snow cairn
you probably want some pierce with gyre tho
patent canyon
does it even work
fallen pewter
Potentially twice as many projectiles returning
patent canyon
it should have 100% pierce
fallen pewter
It doesn't have built in pierce.
mental apex
Not by default, on its return it does, just jot on way out
deft girder
Is the leak tree only current information or actually leaked?
patent canyon
It returns to you when it hits an enemy, wall, or after a time.
mental apex
Gonna be at least very very close to actual tree
deft girder
Alrighty. I got it working btw so I don't need help. 😛
snow cairn
so it's not super current
fallen pewter
The leak has 20 bone armor.
lament zodiac
@craggy kernel interesting build
fallen pewter
So it's newer than the previous leak
mental apex
There's a new tree leaked??
patent canyon
you are missing 4 points here 👀
dusty umbra
mental apex
😛
craggy kernel
my main concern is defensive-wise. It's an evasion based build with a lot of minions, and there's no room for the blind aura.
lament zodiac
Yeah I also wondered why you didn't take them
mental apex
Those are important
lament zodiac
the lack of life and evasion worries me
dusty umbra
170ish life never has been issue for sc for me personally
craggy kernel
yeah, I have a Jade flask for that, but that's a bit low
lament zodiac
also resistances are all red :/
fallen pewter
Unzip, drop it into C:\ProgramData\
dusty umbra
lul thats just tree
craggy kernel
@mental apex I pasted some POB-leaked compatible link above, and a txt writeup if you want to just have a quick overview
(there are the tree code and the POB code in the text file)
lament zodiac
I honestly feel like you are trying to do too much with phantasm and HoAg in same build...
HoAg is amazing because you don't really need minion damage nodes to make it kill everything
fallen pewter
Of course it's just tree, @dusty umbra lol
lament zodiac
but having phantasms without minion damage nodes is worthless and having HoAg with minion damage nodes is redundant
tidal frost
You mean 23 dps isnt your final dps
lament zodiac
I would drop the phantams... pile on some more defense and lose the minion damage nodes
deft girder
How many people gonna run HoAg cold point? 
craggy kernel
there are a lot more options Minion-wise this time
lament zodiac
Basically if you are using Golem Jewels/Baron or Hoag you don't want summons that don't benefit from those incrases
or they are just a waste
snow cairn
what's the bets on hoag losing phys tag?
craggy kernel
I don't get it
craggy kernel
the Crawler does not benefit from the Minion nodes?
plain field
maybe losing the spell tag -> aura?
deft girder
GGG could drop the conversion and make agony do full chaos.
lament zodiac
Not really because increase damage is addititive and Vitrulance gives an insane increase in damage if you maintain stacks
so you just want to be able to maintain stacks and you don't need increases in damage
languid path
tag is an indication of how the skill mechanically works, ggg doesn't just randomly take or give tag without changing the skill fundamentally
lament zodiac
It is a bit odd that HoaG has physical tag and other physical minions don't though
livid apex
that's pretty fat
fallen pewter
Tags are exclusively there for +gem level purposes.