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fleet garden
oh my bad xD i was scrolling up
lucid stone
That's 40% phys reduction with chaos golems
shrewd gyro
lvl 22 chaos golem is 5%, so you can get over 50% phys reduction
autumn snow
we get like double of our current golem effect
shrewd gyro
with just one chaos golem
autumn snow
I am going from 285% to 560%
low knot
guess i ahve to wait until WED to know what cyclone i should chose. and i did searching for a berserker cyclone cause it was recommended, but there seems to be only ONE @patent canyon
shrewd gyro
when you say nodes do you mean jewels?
rustic sentinel
Wait tank golemancer?
shrewd gyro
yea, stone would be around 1300k regen per second if you invest in eminence jewels
shrewd gyro
you can now get 11 golems max
lucid stone
What about carrion golems tho
shrewd gyro
and helm enchant for 100% buff effect on a golem of your choice
@lucid stone that's what I'm excited about
autumn snow
661 life regen 
shrewd gyro
I really hope it's a good phys dmg buff increase
fleet garden
They didn't show any enchant on CL / PS etc 😢
rustic sentinel
Wasn’t there a build that got crazy life regen off stone golems?
shrewd gyro
I assume they did something similar with buff effect + increased life recovery + high level gem
autumn snow
you can get 650+ with normal golem setup after patch
rustic sentinel
650 isn’t crazy though but it’s good enough to give up a slot I think
shrewd gyro
I'd throw it in a redblade band so the golem taunts and is +3 to its level
autumn snow
went from 230 to 600+
shrewd gyro
127 base life regen at lvl 24
shrewd gyro
Yea, would depend on how myuch you want to invest
autumn snow
800 regen with stone 21+3
shrewd gyro
wouldn't in your tree it be 127 * 7.3?
autumn snow
630%
shrewd gyro
630 buff effect would be times 7.3
shrewd gyro
yes so in your tree with that ring, a slotted chaos golem would be 36.5 phys reduction
autumn snow
well yeah
shrewd gyro
the phys reduction is 5% base at lvl 22
shrewd gyro
right..
autumn snow
36% physical reduction
shrewd gyro
isn't that what I've been saying? lol
autumn snow
yeah
shrewd gyro
that's crazy when you think of how little investment that is gear-wise
anything that would give +1 on a 21 golem would be a 5% base
autumn snow
soul of steel node for 36+5
ezi 41% physical reduction
and now we can target mobs
finally
ice golems vs boss with multiple trash mobs = annoying af
shrewd gyro
all the other golems really give buffs to you as a character dmg wise
autumn snow
their targetting is rettarded
shrewd gyro
I wonder if it's now viable to deal dmg yourself as a golemancer
ice golem - 219% crit chance and accuracy
autumn snow
imagine the 80% more dmg with carrion buffed with 630%
shrewd gyro
I don't think the more dmg is a buff effect?
rustic sentinel
Golemancer best Spectre zombie minion build?
autumn snow
sadly
shrewd gyro
it sounds like it's flat phys tho
autumn snow
it is
shrewd gyro
so could still be good
shrewd gyro
yea
autumn snow
huge buffs for ice golems
shrewd gyro
73% increased attack and cast speed with one lightning golem
146% increased damage with one flame golem
like really, you could just make golems support and you'd have a really viable build
autumn snow
all eminence?
shrewd gyro
tbf, you'd probably remove clayshaper for a better weapon, so -2 golems
yea
like take one of each golem, this can give you without eminences about:
219% crit chance and accuracy
146% increased damage
73% increased attack and cast speed
900 life regen
36% phys reductions
- whatever the carrion golem will give
just get minion damage in the passive tree and get the node that applies it to you
clear adder
Wait, what are these golem numbers from
shrewd gyro
elementalist got buffed, 50% golem effect per golem if the leaks stay accurate
shrewd gyro
agreed
shrewd gyro
there will def be some balance between dmg and the golem bonuses
mental apex
It would be hysterical if this passive tree is inaccurate because somebody made it to meme 😅
autumn snow
I still think it's not worth it
shrewd gyro
it's been right up till now
autumn snow
it's like doing normal build with extra steps
shrewd gyro
and the devs admitted it was real on baeclast
what else can get 40% reduction though besides jugg?
shrewd gyro
at the very least, golemancers got a lot tankier
clear adder
is it only the golem node that is getting buffed for elementalist?
shrewd gyro
no, beacon of ruin got 30% increased effect non damaging ailments
clear adder
Can I get a link to the leak?
shrewd gyro
they also changed that golem node so that 3 golems is full ele immunity
undone timber
full ele ailment inmunity
shrewd gyro
right ^ my b
Oh, I just noticed that perfect agony is now 50% of crit multi instead of 30%
autumn snow
yeah
shrewd gyro
Did they actually balance poison?
autumn snow
they want people to do poison crit
they added a bunch of dot multi
also dot multi on crit
shrewd gyro
all of that's added together additively right?
autumn snow
yeah
it's a multiplier than stacks with itself
most (or all?) non-ailment chaos multi are now chaos multi
teal axle
I wonder if "every golem build" would be viable to still do something selfcast
shrewd gyro
I want that as a league start, but I just know those fossils will be hella expensive
corroded?
rugged locust
how's perfect agony gonna be?
rugged locust
I don't think they said all of them
shrewd gyro
oh, perfect agony adds to the dot multi, so it's not a straight up more
autumn snow
I don't see any here
rugged locust
I thought they were adding some to certain poison nodes and probably changing right side chaos nacdot to just dot multi
autumn snow
they swapped non-ailment chaos multi to chaos multi
added dot multi and poison multi
shrewd gyro
bleeding looks like it will be sweet. They buffed that a lot without saying much
autumn snow
any new one?
shrewd gyro
Oh, they must have been added in 3.7 and I didn't notice. My bad
shrewd gyro
Yea, just the bleeding dot multis were added
autumn snow
red storm
teal axle
Im half tempted to do a golemancer this league because it might be cheap 
shrewd gyro
golemancer is never cheap league start
teal axle
I mean
shrewd gyro
ppl always go for the amy and maces asap
shrewd gyro
As long as you are okay with the struggle haha
wet plaza
those barely drop
shrewd gyro
but if you want to map day one it could be tough
autumn snow
:/
teal axle
like you only need a single clayshaper, its mostly the jewels and primordial chain
autumn snow
dem
teal axle
I aint got time to grind this league
autumn snow
that sucks
shrewd gyro
haha, fair enough
autumn snow
tree leak
wet plaza
which leak
autumn snow
someone leaked tree lua
wet plaza
Yes but they didnt do much if anything to ele afaik
autumn snow
they added 25% inc buff effect per summoned golem
shrewd gyro
and 30% ele ailment effect on beacon
autumn snow
+1 golem nodes
lament zodiac
I didn't see anything and I looked? can you be more specific?
high ember
guys for crit builds, daggers or claws
lament zodiac
Tree lua?
autumn snow
lament zodiac
ooo
autumn snow
we still have 25% from liege
shrewd gyro
oh, are you including the elementalist nodes?
hollow talon
Yeah
shrewd gyro
4 golems with the elementalist nodes
hollow talon
Oh it's still 2 from elementalist
shrewd gyro
yea, one per ascendency notable
hollow talon
Sounds like Elementalist for low budget, respec to Necro once you have the Clayshapers
teal axle
eh
autumn snow
big no with the current changes
teal axle
20% golem damage per golem
shrewd gyro
elementalist will always be the best golemancer really
shrewd gyro
way too many buffs there
hollow talon
Without any uniques you go from 2 golems to 4 with Elementalist
autumn snow
500% buff effect from elementalist 👀
hollow talon
+100% more
lament zodiac
Wait so thats the change to elemancer?
shrewd gyro
25% buff effect per golem
hollow talon
Oh lol nvm
shrewd gyro
and +1 golem on the tree
hollow talon
Elementalist all the way then
lament zodiac
so elemenacer loses cannot be frozen/shocked/ignited
shrewd gyro
and full ele ailment immunity with 3 golems
lament zodiac
but gains 25% more buff effect per golem?
shrewd gyro
@lament zodiac with both ascendancy notables, you get 50% buff effect per golem
autumn snow
you'll avoid ALL elemental ailments no matter the golem type now
shrewd gyro
so 11 golems = 550% buff effect
autumn snow
wrong cake
shrewd gyro
It's on the elemancer node
autumn snow
check elemancer
shrewd gyro
yea, full ele ailment immunity with no other investment, noice
lament zodiac
so basically elemancer is acutally just straight up made better by primordials
but not reliant on them
shrewd gyro
eeh
autumn snow
what do you mean?
lament zodiac
the jeweles for elemental golemist were basically required
autumn snow
they still are
lament zodiac
yes but no where near as much
shrewd gyro
^
lament zodiac
Not if you just want the powerful buffs for yourself
autumn snow
eh
shrewd gyro
debatable
shrewd gyro
there could be better investment elsewhere with 4 ascendancy nodes
You'd still need to invest as a golemancer imo
lament zodiac
I feel like GGG just went "Lets make all the ascendancies super fucking tanky"
autumn snow
you either go full primordial for the huge cooldown % and regen or you don't use it at all
lament zodiac
"This wont be a fucking RIP league my boys"
autumn snow
it's a big ass buff for golem buffs
midnight kraken
48h(when empyrean gets HH) RIP league my boys
shrewd gyro
yea, you also won't need primordial might anymore for agressiveness
lament zodiac
You will if you want to save a gem slot I suppose
shrewd gyro
depending on how good mark for death/ the support gem is *
lament zodiac
Depends how much damage frenzy gem really is
hollow talon
It's 1 might and as many Harmonies as you can find right
autumn snow
you want a few eminence
hollow talon
Actually is the Might even necessary anymore
autumn snow
2-3 normally
shrewd gyro
Yea, no matter how you look at it, golems got way stronger
hollow talon
With Feeding Frenzy giving them Aggressive
shrewd gyro
isn't that a support gem though?
autumn snow
yep
shrewd gyro
if it isn't good dmg, then I'd rather use a jewel slot than a gem slot
hollow talon
You're still gonna want it probably
autumn snow
the only must gem for ice golems is multistrike
shrewd gyro
their cyclone isn't aoe?
shrewd gyro
"Snowman Roll: Attack skill similar to Whirling Blades that leaves chilled ground, 100% physical, supported by melee supports."
¯_(ツ)_/¯
teal axle
I wonder
teal axle
if carrion golems will be better than ice or flame
hollow talon
Multistrike doesn't affect their ranged attack though does it
lament zodiac
Indeed carrion might be the replacer for ice
teal axle
because then you probably
hollow talon
I don't think Carrion will be very good in golemancer
autumn snow
multistrike definitely works with cyclone
hollow talon
Since it scales off of nearby non-golem minions
teal axle
we dont know its base stats and attack patterns
shrewd gyro
We just don't know enough at this point..
autumn snow
I mean ice golem rolling skill
teal axle
is the thing
lament zodiac
but they are probably mostly if not all physical
teal axle
I think ice is generally better than fire
lament zodiac
I mean carrion cake
midnight kraken
What are we getting today? Development manifesto?
deep wave
yes
midnight kraken
neat
lament zodiac
they look like they have a movement skill, a ground slam and also some sort of cleave
shrewd gyro
you think it's worth using those gloves for ele equilibrium?
deep wave
anyone wants the leaked .lua file?
deep wave
sec
lament zodiac
Can you just put it into PoB?
midnight kraken
If my hands will be in reach of 100% phys-chaos convert for minions, I'll definitly try doing vendigo spectres lol
lament zodiac
Or do I need a computing degree to work it out?
autumn snow
you just have to replace a file
x: > ProgramData > Path of Building > TreeData > 3_7
lament zodiac
❤
autumn snow
programdata is a hidden folder
runic fractal
You don't really need to go through programdata
runic fractal
I didn't.
Unless you install the application, over just downloading the Rar?
runic fractal
https://i.imgur.com/cG7oXy3.png Normal folder, no reason to go through programdata for me.
shrewd gyro
Oh man, I forgot about the new minion wand too
autumn snow
can't beat clayshaper + victario
runic fractal
Wand might, if it can roll some good mods, like +1 golem
shrewd gyro
I mean, one more golem when you have 9 isn't much more damage
I'm sure there will be a wand that you can craft for over 10/15% more dmg
autumn snow
another golem type can be more than that
shrewd gyro
+1 golem mod would be crazy
hollow talon
Going from 9 golems to 10 is still 11% more damage
shrewd gyro
I'm not that hopeful lol
deep wave
the 3 golems nodes are pretty good
shrewd gyro
really depends how you invest
deep wave
70% inc buff effect, 39% golem life,+1 golem
runic fractal
Clayshaper has +1 golem, that's why i'm saying, if that wand can have that too, it'd beat clayshaper
hollow talon
I mean the additional golem itself is just 11% more right off the bat
Going from 9 to 10
10 to 11 is 10% more, 11 to 12 is ~9% more, etc
deep wave
Why use primodial chains then? are you loosing dps?
autumn snow
adding carrion should give more than that
hollow talon
And with the % increased damage per golem, a Convoking Wand is highly unlikely to make a dent in your % increased
deep wave
carrion does not buff golems
shrewd gyro
"8 additional minion modifiers" assume that doesn't include same modifiers with the different tiers
shrewd gyro
we saw movement speed, damaga and +1 all minions on the preview they gave us
I can see it being comparable
lament zodiac
holyshit this is amazing
shrewd gyro
% damage as an element would be amazing, I am not that hopeful, but... 😄
hollow talon
10/10 strat though: Run MI golems
lament zodiac
MI stone golems?
quiet geyser
stone also gives regen to player right?
shrewd gyro
yea
quiet geyser
but isnt that the point?
lament zodiac
Ah whoops so basically whichever of Chaos or Carrion has most hp for popcorn golems
quiet geyser
The Amulet + infernal legion and stack life and dmg
hollow talon
Who knows
quiet geyser
srs
shrewd gyro
I think the spectre base will always be above the golem base life
lament zodiac
but spectres are annoying to summon
shrewd gyro
you also can't forget that golem skills have cooldowns to summon a golem
hollow talon
GGG might pull a derp and make it more based on the fire aoe damage with the -%hp degen as a minor downside
shrewd gyro
I don't think MI will be good here
autumn snow
infernal flat dmg instead of %
hollow talon
shrewd gyro
Yea, that's still wait and see
lament zodiac
If its a flat ammount you can probably sitll do something silly
I would like to see what the hell happens when you do Spectral Tacticians with Infernal Legion...
shrewd gyro
Does infernal stack? do we know yet?
lament zodiac
Millions of little burny boys
autumn snow
nope
lament zodiac
yep they get the gems
autumn snow
The Infernal Legion support gem causes supported minions to take a large percent of their maximum life as fire damage over time. They all gain a burning damage aura, dealing fire damage over time to nearby enemies. The effect doesn't stack, but is modified by minion damage increases and other support gems.
This support can be used to deal damage to large groups of enemies, and is available at quite a low level, so is an alternative to Melee Splash for some minion types. It also works well alongside the Minion Instability keystone, letting you use your minions as walking time bombs.```hmm
autumn snow
they burn for a %
lament zodiac
hmmmm
autumn snow
but the dmg can be flat
shrewd gyro
you can get pretty crazy minion damage on golems that you couldn't on spectres
hollow talon
And not like 20%
shrewd gyro
yea, idk
shrewd gyro
I wouldn't bother with MI though
honestly you'd be better off making them as survivable as possible
hollow talon
Idk if that's with ele res investment on minions though
shrewd gyro
resummoning golems would get annoying
shrewd gyro
um
hollow talon
And if you pile 40% more on top of it that's 80
hollow talon
MI would never go Elementalist
kindred dagger
In the end im thinking that the burning legion gem is kinda annoying, it can be cool but that force you to constantly re sumon your minions, so i can see it interesting for popcorn SRS build i guess
autumn snow
I mean 15-20% without res :p
hollow talon
Necromancer has 20% more minion life
shrewd gyro
Right, not for MI. For infernal legion
hollow talon
Oh for just Infernal Legion scaling
kindred dagger
it would be insane on zombie or skull but you need to find a way to automate it or its just boring
autumn snow
MI is slow af
shrewd gyro
right, your golems wouldn't take any damage
autumn snow
takes forever to clear a map
shrewd gyro
and you can get minion life through that primordial jewel that no one uses for just golems
hollow talon
mental apex
Conversion trap for mob clear?
shrewd gyro
Clear wouldn't be bad if you had enough golems and the AI was decent
single target could be an issue though
unless you do hybrid investment
make them good for single target and also have infernal legion
lament zodiac
I feel like Infernal legion will be a one minion clear enhancer or not used at all.
I don't really feel like there aren't many minions you are willing to put it on though when other gems would probably just make you clear better
mental apex
Could just put it on skele, minion instability, dark pact, and the skele wand?
Skelecorn?
shrewd gyro
dark pact skeles is just straight up clunky imo
lament zodiac
Yeah but since it doesn't stack its inherantly eigh on anything with more than one and the minions that come in low numbers usually don't have clear issues.
mental apex
Then don't dark pact 😅
Two wands and the new infernal Legion should kill em fast
shrewd gyro
if dark pact is also your main dmg dealer than you actually want them to have aas much life as possible for your chains
lament zodiac
Oh so basically you use it to make MI blow quicker
shrewd gyro
I need to refind that excel sheet that calculates spectre life
shrewd gyro
lvl 100 mobs have ~45k life
lament zodiac
3 points for 70% buff increase
shrewd gyro
lvl 21 stone golem is ~18k life
Oh, unearth might be capped at lvl 95 corpses
so ~33k life
bright umbra
Going over 3.8 leaked POB on my stream, lets goooooooooooooooooooooo boys! checking everyone's builds
ember hill
does anyone have the picture of new perfect agony
shrewd gyro
same as before, but now 50% instead of 30%
ember hill
oh whne htey said rework i was expecting something else
shrewd gyro
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lucid stone
@tidal ruin Vaal Cold Snap
shrewd gyro
haha
languid path
30 to 50 is still pretty good, it's like another 100% multi for your poison
shrewd gyro
Not really
it adds to the dot multiplier. So it will stack additively with all the new passive node changes
lucid stone
Well, 500% ailment critmulti on a trypanon build. 🤷
shrewd gyro
so if you only had that sure, but that's not realistic
languid path
I didn't say 100 more
shrewd gyro
fair enough
compact junco
finally managed to make this work in pob
2.9M to 3.5M just from PA and tree multi changes (assuming I implemented the chaos multi correctly), that is pretty nice
lucid stone
What
shrewd gyro
I want the passive/unique item that says "you are a golem"
@compact junco with the ascendancy changes?
compact junco
no, i meant together @lucid stone . i added support locally for chaos dot multi and new PA to pob, and 2.9M to 3.5M is the difference in damage between 3.7 and 3.8 tree without changes
lament zodiac
Utmost strength was moved to such a convenient place
lament zodiac
Eigh they all got ripped for multi no? unless dex got moved closer to one?
hollow talon
Yeah they're all rip for multi
deep wave
Tempered flesh no longer gives 75% crit multi?
shrewd gyro
nope
deep wave
;(
Would the poison gyre skill work better with deadeye for chain and +1 projectile or assassin for crit/damage/elusive
tidal frost
chain and proj are effectively more AOE; assasin more dps
fair prairie
Assassin would probably survive better if you care about that
gloomy dune
@compact junco what did you do to make this work, i felt like i did the exact same thing :S
autumn snow
remove the "+"?
tidal frost
his pob is modified
compact junco
http://ix.io/1U6q/diff @gloomy dune (sorry for messy diff)
tidal frost
whitespace diffs
autumn snow
just wait for patch notes Kappa
compact junco
i wanted to see the buffs 😦
compact junco
20% more poison damage with exactly same tree as in 3.7
tidal frost
no ascend?
compact junco
with pathfinder. i just used build I was using in 3.7
autumn snow
and optimized?
compact junco
and assassin has around 28% more damage than pathfinder
tidal frost
optimized in 3.7; presumably
compact junco
yeah
dusty umbra
@compact junco Ass poison is def build i wanna try for 3.8 but, question is daggers of claws
gloomy dune
which file is it that you changed deathbeam? :S
vital idol
O yea. Tonight to balance manifesto day
tidal ruin
imo assassin already gives you all the damage you could want, claws unless you're using a dagger skill
compact junco
@gloomy dune this is clean diff http://ix.io/1U6v, has support for damage multi and PA
midnight kraken
A very strange short link
compact junco
and yeah imo claws are waay better because sustain @dusty umbra . daggers will probably just stay useless like they were before
i always use ix.io for pastes, it has nice api
midnight kraken
Mama said don't drive with the stranges, don't open the doors to suspicious people and don't click random links
proven wadi
i will play daggers and nothing will stop me
lament zodiac
On a scale of 1 to 1,000,000 how likely is it that a Eyes of the Great Wolf with a reasonably good attribute modifier and +Zombies is going to be affordable this league?
timid geyser
0
lament zodiac
😦
lament zodiac
Feel like they added so many minion nodes to the tree it actually not possible to take thme all anymore... feelsweird
timid geyser
Yeah, not unless you wanna give up some tank
autumn snow
not all of them are good anyway
lament zodiac
I mean alot of them are very good and the ones that are less good are on the way/near life nodes
timid geyser
Biggest issue is some of them are just in really bad spots on passive tree
autumn snow
yep
timid geyser
i.e Ravenous Horde
lament zodiac
the +% es on grave intentions is so weird
yeah but the onslaught probably wont be that good I don't think
autumn snow
it's extra clear
timid geyser
Onslaught is good for low minion count builds like Golems or HoAG
lament zodiac
yeah but its 10% and probably only lasts 4 seconds
yeah maybe its amazing for HoAg
timid geyser
Not like HoAG needs damage 
autumn snow
not useless
lament zodiac
its the 20% ms
timid geyser
Ehh, not that bad for spectres imo
autumn snow
spectres is 100% uptime while clearing lol
lament zodiac
spectres are MS capped anyway so...
lament zodiac
the indominable army nodes are just "minions don't die to reflect"
well... as quickly anyway
autumn snow
25% physical reduction
lament zodiac
as opposed to 0 😄
autumn snow
no more skely one shots?
between the % life, %more life, mitigation and + levels
I think they'll no longer melt with a single aoe
lament zodiac
what do you think about aligned spirits and enduring bond?
aligned spirits is some wierd mom build/being able to recast MI minions?
lament zodiac
30% duration seems situational
lament zodiac
Templar Dom/Herald?
lament zodiac
seems like the least useful to me 😦 unless you are specifically doing a fang/srs build
autumn snow
14.5% inc dmg per node
- duration and some attk/cast speed
46% inc duration, 58% inc dmg and 4% inc attack/cast speed for 4 points
super solid for any duration minion
lament zodiac
Maybe its just because I am making a baron build don't really need more damage..
autumn snow
:p
lament zodiac
they removed so many zombies from the tree
lament zodiac
but they removed them from ascendancy and tree
they removed the really easy 2 zombie node and the grave intentions 1 node
if you want +1 zombie outside of lord of the dead you have to path to spectres :/
which with 2 base spectres... baron don't relaly need anymore
autumn snow
lemme see
+5 from tree
+2 from ascendancy
3 cap
meaning 10 zombies
to 7 zombies with +2 on tree
it's -1 zombie
but other mods
looks good imo
you'll have much stronger zombies
dusty umbra
@compact junco yeah unless they change nodes substantially claw ones are just superior in many ways
autumn snow
good
quaint halo
is path of building updated at all to reflect the new changes?
compact junco
hmm, when i optimize the tree for crits for assassin (and remove some life to like ~180%) assassin can get some absurd poison dps actually. and I am not even counting the poison duration from noxious
dusty umbra
threw up a quick tree
autumn snow
148% at lvl 100
lament zodiac
Indeed
dusty umbra
3x Jewel slots, and we can get it to 165% ish
lament zodiac
I Currently have 140% at lvl 97 and I feel awful... 5k life on a baron build :/
dusty umbra
Also new assasin node is pretty damn neat
midnight phoenix
That tree gave me herpes
dusty umbra
midnight phoenix
Can u at least path down the outside and save urself two points
autumn snow
midnight phoenix
Cos its making me twitch
autumn snow
you generally don't take the whole cluster
only the notable
and then path to other notables
dusty umbra
ehhh it's just initial version monka
might have to go some proj instead somewhere possibly, have to really see the scaling/etc and tags of new skills
gloomy dune
honestly, consider waiting for other people to write guides for that build, there's soooo much off with that tree, you'd be better off starting from scratch than correcting it, i really dont mean this as an offense, you ahve to start somewhere, but it looks like you're at a point where you're better off looking at other peoples trees and optimizing them to your liking, instead of doing them from scratch
dusty umbra
Old tree's doesn't really matter either since we don't know full tags/scalling etc of new skills yet either
compact junco
i would probably do something like this (that is with wasp nests)
lament zodiac
Mmmm 180
compact junco
that pathfinder ranger section is kind of wrong, but meh
gloomy dune
100% hit chance with n oaccuracy on gear (i'm playing ssf, getting accuracy on good items is not a given)
wrong version
autumn snow
much better
dusty umbra
170% and more poison/dps nodes
gloomy dune
there we go, my approach
compact junco
my tree is not using accuracy on gear as well, its just using lvl 20 precision (there are not many auras you would pick on poison build anyway, its like, precision, malevolence and hoag)
gloomy dune
dont shoot for lvl 100 @ ihit, shoiot for lvl 90 to lvl 92, lvl 100 is not realistic
oh yeah at deathbeam i meant for mine 100% hit chance with tree and precision only, not tree only, sry
dusty umbra
95 is pretty easy every league
autumn snow
yep
gloomy dune
yes it's easy, but you're not gonna be at 95 most of the time
so aim your tree for 90-92 to be complete, and then just pick up slight boosts with extra levels
dusty umbra
I mean force shaper cluster and near it can be easy cut until end game
gloomy dune
which skill are you planing on using with it?
dusty umbra
Still to be decided
gloomy dune
if it's cobra lash you can lose that node on the left, as you'll easily be poison capped without it, meaning that node does nothing at all
"will of blades" at the assassin start is also a rather weak node, it sounds strong,m but it really does not do much ,is not worth the two points
compact junco
i guess most asassins would be using either venom gyre or cobra lash
and that brings up question, why tf is rage support not working with ranged attacks 😦
it would be so good
gloomy dune
yes i asked because cobra lash of these 2 has inbuilt chance to poison
making the tree rather different on a few details
compact junco
actually i dont think cobra lash makes any difference (or, any innate poison chance on skills) because you get 100% poison chance just from taking good poison nodes
and assassin ascendancy
gentle zodiac
Hey can I ask questions here? the poe chat is useless
compact junco
and also hoag. but innate poison chance is great for leveling
lament zodiac
@gentle zodiac yes but that was your 1 question. It has been answered. That is all you get.
compact junco
rip
lament zodiac
@gentle zodiac because you asked nicely I will allow it. That was your second question. it has been answered. thats all you get.
PS apparently i miss read. Fuck.
autumn snow
What
gentle zodiac
Okay ty
gloomy dune
pro tip
if yo uwanna get a question answered on the internet
dont answer
dont ask
just make a false statement
people will correct you
compact junco
that is not true!
lament zodiac
Bamboozling Mooseling is 100% correct.
autumn snow
Damn it
lament zodiac
Jebait
autumn snow
That really works
gentle zodiac
Does anyone know the interaction of allocated notables with annointments and inspired learning, might of the meek, unnatural instinct and also whether a notable can be allocated twice with an anointment?
autumn snow
I almost want to refute that statement
autumn snow
Should work as expected
compact junco
i think they said somewhere it will not be possible to allocate them twice
lament zodiac
Baeclast
midnight phoenix
not that unnatural instinct does anything interesting to notables
gentle zodiac
Okay so you could use your anointent towards the 4 notables required for inspired learning, ofc at the opportunity cost
autumn snow
Eh
compact junco
i dont think they will actually count as being in radius of anything
lament zodiac
If you have an item that gives a notable can you path through it without costing? Or do you have to pay for it 😦
midnight phoenix
no like if u randomly have an appropriate notable for IL i can see the benefit
gentle zodiac
Well if they appear as allocated on the tree with an anointment then I guess it is in radius?
midnight phoenix
its pretty marginal tho
compact junco
because otherwise it would be weird with legion jewels. or can you actually corrupt them?
autumn snow
Most likely
gentle zodiac
Since the hidden ones are on tree as well
compact junco
(oh nvm you did not meant hidden notables)
gentle zodiac
Also are hidden nodes within some radius on jewel sockets?
autumn snow
Hidden shouldn't be on radius even if they are in the tree
gentle zodiac
Okay but ones that aren't hidden still are within a radius even if just anointed?
compact junco
what about reg notables then? i would totally use my annoint to get chaos + wither node from vaal jewel without all those garbage nodes before
autumn snow
Do you mean if the count as allocated when in radius?
gentle zodiac
Yes
autumn snow
I think so
Not sure why they wouldn't
It's allocated
Not some special state or something
gentle zodiac
Okay just thought that there would be a difference in how it is allocated
But makes sense
timid geyser
Guardian changes https://i.imgur.com/jy8pMS3.png
Hiero changes https://i.imgur.com/ZgDEmaf.png
timid geyser
🦂 boi
lament zodiac
unnerve?
gentle zodiac
Yeah I'm 100% certain hoag is getting a nerf now
lament zodiac
Is that a new thing? Or have I just not seen that before
gentle zodiac
Guardian much tankier than necro though
timid geyser
No idea what ennerve is.
lament zodiac
I really wanna see what guardian ascendancy is
YEP
scion gets onslaught aura also
lament zodiac
this league is going to have so many server issues
supports got buffed, minions got buffed, league mechanic is minions/towers
autumn snow
Client issues*
My record of crashes was this league
Game crashed every 30s
Monolith = instacrash
dusty umbra
We've also added Poison Damage over Time Multiplier to many passives, and changed many sources of Chaos Damage over Time Multiplier so they aren't restricted to non-ailments. - this part is also nice
lament zodiac
I wonder if plague bearer counts as an aura
timid geyser
Yeah, all chaos DoT multi is changed to apply ailments on passive tree.
So stuff like Occ can do poison
Darkscorn Occ might be decent.
lament zodiac
Can you make a guardian aura character that uses death's oat linked to poison
and then plague bringer new gem?
gentle zodiac
I hope unnerve = enemies flee on hit just to fuck with people
lament zodiac
Oh yeah whoops
I imagine it will be similar to taunt/intimidate
it will just be some sort of numerical thing
gentle zodiac
Yeah for sure
compact junco
hmmm, darkscorn occultist is actually not the worst idea ever
quartz dome
Guardian looking swag for just a general Herald of Purity crusade of some sort
autumn snow
Occultist glorious 40es regen buff
quartz dome
frankly doing a crusader build is way easier to start than doing a necromancer build since the little regen prism thing makes zombies hard to kill as soon as sunken passage
compact junco
you would go like life, malediction and withering presence probably
but also, occult is just soo slow
quartz dome
man it's getting hard to decide on a starter because I do remember when crusader guardian was first a thing it was genuinely fun to level with
lament zodiac
The minion node next to templar start is hilarious also
quartz dome
their issue is primarily just no regen and no leech makes them flimsy and unreliable
lament zodiac
5% chance for +100% More dmg
timid geyser
Oh I didn't even see Occ es regen buff
quartz dome
even if they had ten times as much HP they'd still die a bunch before act 3
autumn snow
You can get regen nodes
quartz dome
the current easiest existing regen nodes take until about act 3 or so to reach is the issue
autumn snow
How so
quartz dome
guardian with his happy prism friend just gives you regen immediately
uh it takes like 20 points to reach the closest regen nodes as far as I remember off the top of my head
if they relocated it then coolio
mental apex
ive played dom blow witch before, and my minions never had trouble dying. the only issue was keeping myself alive, and that only sometimes. overall the witch is better 10/10 than the guardian
i actually liked witch better other than the lowered personal survival, but the new witch takes guardian to a bleh level
dom blow witch is gonna be my starter build for sure 🙂
quartz dome
generally when I play a build I like to start it as early as possible and cruise with it, and early crusaider is simply notible because you can start it from literally level 4 and cruise all the way up to maps with just smite and zombos
necromancer takes until you get some leech and regen before she can cruise so there's a noticable difference in just having and using the little prism guy. Not that one is better or worse than the other
although being able to sleepwalk a nakid giraffe through act 1 and 2 with no prerequisites is pretty nifty
mental apex
use srs till act3, use dom blow
ibeen my league starter 3 times, and its wayyyy ezpz
deep wave
no occulist or elementalist changes 😦
mental apex
not needed tho, ive played both. its not noticable at all.
mental apex
lmao, i run 30+ minions, and everything dies in 1 hit
its not needed
dom blow minionss doing 100k per hit
insta kill, and they mega fast
i have a hard time hitting things to keep them all up they are that good
@lament zodiac
lament zodiac
I feel like you have this thing... where people say things... and you only think of your dom blow build.
mental apex
maybe spectres? but idk if thats needed either, is it?
lament zodiac
56% increase minion aoe is insane. think of solar guards with that shit
gmp fireball multihitting bosses to death
minion instability/new inferal legion aoe being huge?
silver kettle
depends on infernal legion numbers
I don't think it will ever be huge cause the clear speed can't be that amazing. but should be good
mental apex
from a ring
lament zodiac
0% to 56% from the tree seems crazy
oak locust
can someone dm me the leaked pob?
kindred dagger
zanas map strange isnt it ? feels a bit lack of juice
quiet geyser
its just "missing" beyond
wild arch
Did the manifesto really say they're turning bodyswap into spell flicker?
kindred dagger
there is no perandus as well
quiet geyser
cast while channeling bodysawp, who need flicker
But perandus also wanst realy juice
kindred dagger
and thats all ? i had the feeling that it was more different
quiet geyser
no zana mods are not that amazing.
kindred dagger
perandus was mmm weird but free mod i guess, once i tried it a bit you can find some nice shit
hasty knoll
mana sadness
quiet geyser
They are good and most of the time worth your money, but boring and simple, just more mobs
viral bramble
Could someone explain to me what ggg was smoking when they said staves were the go to to increase level of socketed gems
viral bramble
But people just used bows
copper kernel
yea but bows dont roll the mods naturally
quiet geyser
they do
both have same chanches
+1 is just better, because it also affects the support gems
copper kernel
bows only have +1 and +2 to bow gems
quiet geyser
and stave has +1 and +2 to element, wich doesnt stack
viral bramble
+1 to sock gems is significantly harder to get on staves
quiet geyser
and since betrayl you can multimod bows to be as good as staves
viral bramble
Are they nerfing +2 sock support gems?
viral bramble
So bows are untouched?
quiet geyser
as far as i understood yes
but i assume a +3 global will be better then a good craftet bow
because you still can get some nice body armour corruptions
viral bramble
And are these changes going to be added to faceted mods?
bronze blaze
So a +3/4 would be fat for a aurabot?
viral bramble
For aurabot?
bronze blaze
You don’t look for quality with aurabot though since that just makes the aoe bigger
So + to gems is best
hidden fjord
does anyone have the hiero leak
viral bramble
Probably the same as the alchemist wheel but like 6 effect on minor and 8 for notable
viral bramble
Idk the exact numbers, but that's probably a good estimste
Idk the locations
Have to wait for patch notes
stone belfry
It's probably still a huge buff for pathfinders looking to get 3rd projectile from dying sun
No more having to path all the way up to alchemist
native sun
Could anyone dm me the leaked lua file?
low knot
any Tl:DR about the manifesto for cyclone/impale stuff?
deep wave
cyclone base damage nerfed by 50%, base range 11 and additional range only increases aoe by 8%
pulverize nerfed
low knot
hard nerf for cyclone builds?
deep wave
still playable, Facebreaker cyclone buffed
clear adder
cyclone roughly got a 10% nerf at the top end, cyclone will still be insane. But you actually need to invest in area if you want to fill your screen.
rose pasture
Will see how much mana you'll need for cyclone..
And 2d.. its aoe
deep wave
Yea... eleron rings and - mana chests apply differently to channeled skills
imagine needing to leech mana
clear adder
Luckily you aren't a caster, you have 10 sources of mana leech freely available
deep wave
at least they didnt nerf mana gain on trickster
tidal frost
My kitsvas thirst tempest shield trickster lived
quartz dome
cyclone has been hit in a number of ways but I expect it will still be the most popular melee skill just because you hold down a button to win
can't be overstated how powerful that is in itself
stone belfry
Same deal with blade flurry
same deal with reave
Cyclone does get to move somewhat, though.
shrewd gyro
I think that was his point
stone belfry
Well you're still going to want to move with travel skills once you're done cycloning
and can't reave eventually hit screenwide anyway?
shrewd gyro
really depends on the build and the map/pack size
stone belfry
I believe vaal reave, if you can keep it up
shrewd gyro
hh in sewers with cyclone is just one click and move
stone belfry
That's HH.
shrewd gyro
hh just makes it easier, you can easily invest in ms to have the same effect
stone belfry
ah
jolly shell
Are challenges out yet?
shrewd gyro
No, only rewards
jolly shell
Ty
violet nymph
balance manifesto is good as fuck
new mana flask prefix is good as fuck
enduring sanctified mana flask of warding gang
stone belfry
They're still mana flasks.
violet nymph
being able to use mana flasks consistently and them not being annoying means MoM opportunities for more builds
frank rivet
the new mana flask prefix is also huge QoL for Soulthirst builds
you no longer have to drain your own mana
rugged locust
it's at the cost of flask duration
I know they have pretty huge duration to begin with
and they try to scale the flask duration too
so I don't know how much that will affect them
tidal frost
the base flasks stats arnt going to be the same; either
rustic sentinel
If it’s like 50 less duration instead of the 40 increased from experimenters that’s not great for soulthirst builds
7 seconds might as well go experimenters quicksilver
hollow cipher
RF damage not being so dependent upon extreme life count is going to be interesting.
kindred dagger
The mana is cool especialy for story leveling, you often use mana flask early on so no matter what thats not bad
For RF not sure, because the spell allready had trouble with single target and seems they said that they lower its damage for endgame.. because thy said heavy HP char will have less damage
tidal frost
the base gem is lowered. but theres burning multi now so....
kindred dagger
"The goal of this change is to provide more power for builds that don't invest as heavily in maximum life, and slightly less power in builds that invested the majority of their resources into getting large values of maximum life. "
I only understand that if you have 10K HP they fuck you
tidal frost
like; the sentence right before that one
kindred dagger
but maybe the point is just to "punish" people that ONLY invest in HP and so if you build more over burning and DOT and so you'll have the same or even more damage
tidal frost
you built buring before with the life
hoary snow
It seems like they’re aiming to gradually bring all the more standard and obvious build options into line so getting to the start of maps is possible for most characters without needing to preplan, which is good for player acquisition and retention from a marketing perspective
stone belfry
I mean it's no secret that leveling with bows sucks
wet plaza
It has been spread for years now but wasn't the case if you just upgraded your bow with essences every few levels
Toxic rain and roa are super smooth to level with
kindred dagger
leveling with bow is not that bad, it just require a bit of more knowledge
hoary snow
I ran through synthesis with a split shot/barrage build to endgame until I realized tornado kinda trumps everything else
One perk of bows - you don’t really need a mouse, just a touchpad
kindred dagger
seems lightning arrow does quite good damage early on, and this + ice shot will get buff so
grave valve
da fuck is unnerve
proven wadi
did you mean: innervate?
timid geyser
Nope unnerve is new thing on guardian
Some people speculating it is like intimidate but for spells.
Which would make a lot of sense
white badge
can somebody pin the guardian stuff
teal axle
why does the heiro change feel like a huge nerf
clear adder
huh
teal axle
lost the 150 flat mana, 30% to 20% mana as ES
you get mana -> damage at 30% of the value and unreserved mana to aoe
it feels like
a huge nerf
because you lose a ton of EHP off mom
clear adder
It isn't really, you lost like 100 mana
timid geyser
The new passive tree makes up for any mana you lost.
eager terrace
they replaced 150 flat mana with 30% increased
clear adder
Yeah
eager terrace
I started with 170% from tree and lost about 100 mana
clear adder
So you are just getting some free damage in a trade for a bit of mana lost
teal axle
its probably a net buff
eager terrace
there's also new mana nodes
clear adder
I would wait until patch notes :p
eager terrace
I will but yeah
teal axle
patchnoteswhen
eager terrace
not until at least notes and probably take me a day
clear adder
tomorrow i think
teal axle
yeah
no worries
Im between your FP totems, 10 golem, or minionmancer
I think 10golem is, unironically, the highest ceiling
at like
400k+ per golem
clear adder
Carrion golem is nuts
eager terrace
I dunno FP totems ceiling is pretty high
teal axle
before I can decide if its better than ice golems
eager terrace
but it will cost ya
teal axle
yeah
clear adder
if you count the soulmantle atziri's reflection totem build, the ceiling is massive