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[teal axle]

the problem with glad is its so appealing to just grab the damage now

block is nice, but its a huge investment compared to getting challenger charges + bleed explosions lol

[clear adder]

Well a build I was toying around with was Champion totems and I saw someone made a guide for it

Makes your totems taunt lul

[teal axle]

last time I tried to play a gladiator with block was Incursion and the build was literally too slow with new lacerate (at the time) until i got the bleedsplosions
and I ended up rerolling into something else anyways

[kindred dagger]

you easy goes to 70%+ block attack and spell, you got decent armor, hp regen, res even some chaos one, good HP pool easy 6K+, perma fortify, and so much life as it life on hi and not leech so its more stable as some point and it works in delving so really good.

And you can do ANY map mod with this build, only no regen can be boring but its doable as well and its because of the no mana regen not no hp regen

[teal axle]

do you have a pob for something for it?

Im watching mathil's lacerate glad from a few months ago

[clear adder]

Wait, how do you do reflect maps on it?

[teal axle]

just hit 1 mob at a time 4head

[clear adder]

lul

[teal axle]

but a lacerate build that still uses max block, challenger charges plus the first bleed node because you're lacerate and dont need the bleedsplosion for clear

would interest me

[kindred dagger]

I used this one on 3.6, theres is everything in notes https://pastebin.com/YaNM0WAX

[teal axle]

danke

[clear adder]

Bashtart did a max block gladiator, but I think it ended up as cyclone since it was such a broken skill

He started lacerate and dropped it

[teal axle]

oh this is a herald of agony build

[clear adder]

oh

no wonder it can do anything

[kindred dagger]

honestly block is really strong and glad just feels unkillable

[tidal frost]

faecbreaker cyclone + reckoning with block and challenge nodes was fun.

aoe on cyclone was hillariously small

and moneliths dont proc block.

probably not the best league for it

[teal axle]

like

Im lookin at this pob

[clear adder]

Oh Rex, there is also the awesome ice spear totems

[teal axle]

and you could change violent retaliation for uh

arena challenger

because you use the sand stance aoe thing

so you get a ton of attack and movespeed

im just looking at the items

and trying to price it out in my head lol

I just didnt love herald of agony when I tried it

it felt hard to keep up

does it get better eventually?

and how soon can you normally start using herald of agony?

[clear adder]

When you first get it you can start using it generally

HoAg is very strong

[teal axle]

Im debating it vs the totems

because its probably a good league for it

because you can use deathmark

and otherwise let it remain aggressive

[kindred dagger]

HoA does pretty good damage on his own without too much investement like having 400-500k shaper dps is possible on budget build and if you invest you can go up to 2-3M shaper dps

[teal axle]

yeah

I just feel like its more of a bossing build than it is clearing, compared to totems or having normally speedy zombies

so Im just curious how good it'll feel in blight

[clear adder]

I think that minions or totems will feel best in blight

[kindred dagger]

Honestly now i have better knowledge about the game my achievment when i try making a build is 400-500k shaper dps at least and "stable" meaning no shit trick buff like flask or so, no numbers cheating !!! like they all do in their build which is ridiculous and dumb cause missleading

then i look for good defense and thats it build done

not trying to go for big bick build 100M dps but 3k hp do or die by white trash mobs....

[teal axle]

yeah like

the FP build

I can count on bonechill

but frostbomb/frostbite

not so much

maybe its me being lazy

but I'd rather play minions I think because other than an offering every so often they're really just

out of the box

but its probably me being lazy, Im not sure

@clear adder I've heard ice spear totems are the best single target, but how are they for clear compared to FP?

with arming speed of the spears and all that

[kindred dagger]

playing minions is fun, i like having my army fighting for me ^^ one of the first i die, i could have like 70+ minions

[clear adder]

They still clear pretty fast

[teal axle]

got a PoB lmao

I've seen a few, but I... tend to trust people when they'll recommend it directly I guess?

like I have the mjolnernaut build I'll not recommend to people because it does such pitiful damage for the investment nowadays

[clear adder]

1 sec

[teal axle]

no worries my man

I appreciate it

[clear adder]

I really like this one https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2486812/page/1

The dps is basically a lie, because everything is cranked and that is unrealistic

[teal axle]

yeah..

[clear adder]

but other than that it is nice

[teal axle]

like I like Wall's FP build because its like

the DPS is "you're cursed, and werent too lazy to curse and frost bomb"

[clear adder]

Hahaha

[teal axle]

so I can get about 300k because Im too lazy to curse and frost bomb

its why Im looking at minions, its usually a 1 button build once the minions are out, because you'll automate your offering

[clear adder]

Depends on minions, but generally yeah

That guy has a video of him clearing phoenix

Can give you a bit of an idea for clear speed

[teal axle]

the one thing I'll probably steal from him

is using an oos curse on hit setup

instead of selfcast frostbite

[clear adder]

Yeah I never selfcast lol

[teal axle]

diadem/mom also isnt a bad idea

[clear adder]

I always have curse on hit

[teal axle]

I was thinking about that one timeless jewel

lemme find it

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Corrupted_Soul

was trying to think how hard it'd be to play around this

as a heiro

you're taking 40% as mana anyways, so then 30% of non chaos goes past ES

but I dont think you have a reliable way to get ES back

[clear adder]

Hmm

I just don't think it is worth it

Mostly because it is a pain in the butt to roll vaal jewel

[kindred dagger]

this jewel is insane

i was thinking about adding it to my HoA glad

[tough vigil]

Tbh i find it funny how next league's most popular ascendancy might be previously hated ascendancies

Necro, Hiero, Sabo

[clear adder]

I think the Sabo changes are shit tbh

[kindred dagger]

One thing that is really strong with that is that it give you basicaly a new defense layer and imnot talkin about the ES because its just a bigger HP pool, but the fact that 50% of all damage now bypass ES it basicaly act as a MOM so you can regen your hp while enemies may still be trying to hit your ES

[lucid stone]

Corrupted Energy is neat.

[rustic sentinel]

I doubt they’ll be popular

[tough vigil]

Guess we might see an increase in Deadeye TS and it might finally be nerfed

[clear adder]

unlikely

[lucid stone]

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Corrupted_Energy

[clear adder]

It will be nerfed when headhunter is nerfed, so basically never

[tough vigil]

Let me dream

[kindred dagger]

They feel good for sabo especialy as mine are going to have buff so it will result in a stronger ascendancy

[tough vigil]

Traps are unchanged since they were already strong just not popular mines were bad tho

[clear adder]

I just hate how mines are better traps now

[tough vigil]

Traps have bigger aoe spreading tho

[clear adder]

With great bonuses for detonating multiples

[tough vigil]

At least lightning traps do

[copper kernel]

traps got nerfed tho

you lost 10% regen

[tough vigil]

Meh i used the EB+Tinkerskin setup anyways

[clear adder]

I hate tinkerskin

[tough vigil]

Tinkerskin is great for traps tho

[clear adder]

You aren't wrong

I think my blood magic trapper is dead with the change to 10% from 20% on regen though

[tough vigil]

Like traps still have bigger aoe spread (normally) since mines got bigger aoe nodes i think

But yeah tinkerskin+eb might be one of the only worthy setup if you go traps sabo now

[clear adder]

Probably now

That Regen nerf was very heavy-handed

[tough vigil]

Also lightning traps aoe spreading beat mines

So it remove some options but some builds will still be good

[dense sentinel]

Seems like all these 'adjustments' are overall nerfs. I recreated the necro ascend on a flask and i've lost 20% of my spectre damage just from that. I'll lose 40% of my damage if death attunement loses the +1 spectres

That's counting the extra spectre from the gem change...

[clear adder]

did you account for the higher level spectres

With how insanely easy it is to get minion gem levels

[tough vigil]

Tbh more options for necro is better

[dense sentinel]

'insanely easy'? @clear adder Tell me your easy +level setup and i'll tell you why you're losing damage doing it

[kindred dagger]

personaly i didnt knew you could go up to 20% hp regen i though when i saw the 10% it was allready a buff because i find its insane, but for what i understood reading people you could really keep that 20% proc, it was more a starter at boss are things like that so in the end it shouldnt affect that much really

[dense sentinel]

going past 83 or 84 level spectres will be a net loss. they scale horribly with levels even with the changes

[lucid stone]

Stop putting mods to test on flasks. D:<

[tough vigil]

Carrion golem might offset some damage loss tho

[lucid stone]

Put it on a jewel, so that flask effect doesn't mess with it.

[clear adder]

I thought spectres would scale better since mobs scale very hard past 83

[dense sentinel]

Flask effect doesn't seem to change my dps at all

@clear adder Spectres scale incredibly poorly with levels because they only get +1 level per gem level. most minions get more

1 spectre level is 5% more damage in my PoB. That means a level 4 empower is a pathetic 15% more

[lucid stone]

Yes, but flask effect will increase every mod you type onto the flask, so it will be inaccurate.

[clear adder]

Hmmm

[tough vigil]

My trolly near permanent vaal skeletons might be not so trolly now tho

[clear adder]

That doesn't make sense to me with how mobs scale...

[dense sentinel]

@clear adder Its because spectres scale differently than most mobs

[tough vigil]

They need to buff zambies tho

Zombies are so worthless on live

[kindred dagger]

They did right ?

[tough vigil]

They are cannon fodder

[clear adder]

They are good... meatshields.

[kindred dagger]

They shown gem

[tough vigil]

They only are useful as meatshield tho

[clear adder]

That is all they need to be

[tough vigil]

They need more damage or more tankyness because even as meatshiels they're not great

[clear adder]

skeletons and spectres are the brunt of your damage

[dense sentinel]

They added more zombies to the gem but might be removing them from the tree - and necro lost extra zombies as well

[kindred dagger]

They do decent damage as well honestly but if you want zombie as main dps you have to go montgrul i guess

[dense sentinel]

Gravepact near EE gave +1 skelly and zombies and from the leaks appears to be gone and replaced with a minion life node

[clear adder]

I will personally just be using them with meatshield gem

[tough vigil]

Next league will be weird

I have a feeling GGG will fail to properly "sell" their new reworked ascendancies and people will do EDC, TS, etc.

[clear adder]

my dps might end up being Carrion golem depending how hard it scales

[dense sentinel]

If Death Attunement loses +1 spectres, spectre builds are looking at a ~40% nerf. The +levels to spectres is a huge bait. An amazing +3 helm with a corrupted level 4 empower and two +1 wands is worse than a freaking tabula

[kindred dagger]

We really need to see blight mecanics, because in the end maybe it wont have any effect so you can use whatever build you want

[clear adder]

What do you mean lld

We know blight mechanics

That is very concerning though Verlerbur

[dense sentinel]

Blight mechanics look.... eh. I hope the towers don't matter too much. I forsee the biggest request being that loot gets 'sucked' to the middle

[tough vigil]

I hope they give blight mechanics a speed debuff to towers so it's necessary and huge spread to lanes so you can't just aoe in the middle

[clear adder]

I got bad news

[kindred dagger]

We dont know blight mecanics no

[clear adder]

Towers matter a lot

[kindred dagger]

We just know its suposed to be a TD but we dont have numbers about how you affect minions and how they affect you

[dense sentinel]

@clear adder Yeah they seem to not want to make spectres any better with the minion buffs, which is fine. It basically comes down to Death Attunement whether it's a minor nerf, or a major complete gutting of the build.

[clear adder]

According to the devs blight mobs will have like 11x the hp of a normal mob

[dense sentinel]

@clear adder Oh, did they elaborate more on towers on baeclast?

ahhh jesus christ

[tough vigil]

Oh damn

[kindred dagger]

so in the end maybe you wont need towers or so and so you'll just do it with whatever build without using towers

[tough vigil]

Ok so towers are necessary

[dense sentinel]

Are they going to force us to use towers to weaken the mobs?

[clear adder]

in the high end at least

[kindred dagger]

Ow so they gave more info ?

[tough vigil]

Wait it changes so much

Speed is the best now

So TS and pathfinder will definitely wreck the mechanic

[kindred dagger]

So if thats true unless you have a million dps build you'll need tower

[tough vigil]

Again...

[dense sentinel]

I'm literally going to only use the slowing towers. If I can't clear the mechanic then i'm literally just going to skip it

[clear adder]

They are going to force us to use towers to weaken mobs if we can't deal with the massive hp pools they tacked on

[dense sentinel]

Already looting each branch of the paths looks miserable

From the demo video, its extremely annoying

Hope they update mid-league to pull all loot to the middle

[clear adder]

Even more miserable to me is that blight doesn't have it's own room

[tough vigil]

Tbh watch Pathfinder and deadeye add a new league to their dominatrix basement

[clear adder]

I don't want to deal with small room maps and this stupid mechanic

[kindred dagger]

Honestly i found this better, if we dont have to use tower whats the point of doing the mecanics

[clear adder]

I mean we can scale up

to beat them without towers

[dense sentinel]

But if monsters are overbuffed to the point where you HAVE to use towers... whats the point of the player?

[clear adder]

but it will be rough

[dense sentinel]

its an arpg, not tower defense game at the core

your character should matter

so there's a really fine line between towers don't matter, or you don't matter

[clear adder]

Apparently the towers don't do huge amounts of damage, the elements just weaken them

So basically you will start the blight encounter... They give you a setup time to build your towers

[tough vigil]

Sounded fun at first but now it seems like speed will matter a bit more than i would have liked

[kindred dagger]

you'll still have to be there and again we dont have full info on blight so we cant tell how much everything will be affect

[tough vigil]

Necro, sabo, hiero are a lot of things but they are not quick ascendancy class

[autumn snow]

Apparently, blight mobs will have 2.5-10 times more life than normal mobs

[clear adder]

Yep

[kindred dagger]

Why speed would be immportant ?

[clear adder]

11x on the highest end

[autumn snow]

Tower seem gimmicky really

[tough vigil]

Speed to activate towers

[clear adder]

towers are JUST to weaken mobs

your character will be doing a majority of the dps still

[autumn snow]

Who cares about that when you one shot mobs

[dense sentinel]

Did you guys notice alchemist gone from the tree in the leaks? That's like 20% movespeed loss for me....

Speaking of speed clear

[kindred dagger]

??? its not supposed to have blight all over the map, its suposed to be in some restricted area so you are allways at a jump from tower

[tough vigil]

But more towers activated in different lanes mean less troubles so if your character has tons of MS like TS deadeye this will be perfect for you

[clear adder]

As is tradition

[tough vigil]

I really hate this

[clear adder]

HOWEVER

[fluid sundial]

i hope we can have a super monkey 🙂

[tough vigil]

Give it the nerf hammer already GGG it's getting old

[clear adder]

I don't think TS can even get to dps high enough to do it without towers

[kindred dagger]

But if you have minion totel, any static good things, mine, trap and so it may compensate the fact that you are "slower"

[autumn snow]

Joke of the year

[dense sentinel]

Ehhh TS scales incredibly well with tons of stuff running at you

with all the chaining

[clear adder]

True

[dense sentinel]

it gets even more powerful 😉

[clear adder]

plus that new notable

projectiles return

lul

[dense sentinel]

Yeah Chris must personally play TS or something

[fluid sundial]

i mean put ur endgame ts in a t1 map and you'll never need the towers

[dense sentinel]

It won't get touched

[tough vigil]

Also the new weird notable where projectile returns yes

[clear adder]

well of course t1 maps

[kindred dagger]

Yeah in the end if minions are THAT strong in HP the keystone projectile return may be really strong in the end

[clear adder]

But i'm talking real maps

[tough vigil]

TS will be super busted unless heavily nerfed

[autumn snow]

Ts is super strong no matter the tier

[clear adder]

t11+ maps

[kindred dagger]

cause projectile will chain and fork to the very end then will traval back to you hitting everything not dead on the first path

[normal kraken]

deadeye used to have the returning proj mechanic

[dense sentinel]

Don't worry, if spectres are dead i'll play TS which means it'll be nerfed by next league 🙂

[normal kraken]

before the 3.2 rework

[autumn snow]

Don't build mf?

[robust shard]

Why minions rework not include SRS😢

[clear adder]

Because SRS are ignored like Scion Ascendancy

[kindred dagger]

Especialy as it got nerf

[dense sentinel]

+2 ascend is not bad for SRS tbh. But it's not that impressive

[tough vigil]

Which is why it need a nerf, it dominate the meta like Worb did, like Cyclone did both received nerfs why does TS get a free pass at being busted?

[autumn snow]

@robust shard IKR

[kindred dagger]

But we dont have everything right now

[fluid sundial]

i think we might see some srs changes tho, pretty likely

[clear adder]

Cyclone got a tap on the wrist, it lost 10% at the very top end of it's 22 mil+ dps lol

[autumn snow]

Expecting srs changes on the patch notes

[kindred dagger]

Yeah

[clear adder]

Meanwhile Winter Orb got gutted

[tough vigil]

The balancing team for this game is such a joke lol

[kindred dagger]

We can hope a change on everything related to minion

[silver kettle]

one SRS change was mentioned in Baeclast. hovering an enemy while you cast SRS will make the spirit target that enemy

[clear adder]

There was some favoritism

[silver kettle]

unclear whether there would be more

[robust shard]

Now the skeletons is more strong than SRS

[dense sentinel]

@clear adder The aoe nerfs hurt the most. People are dropping from 70+ to 35ish AoE. While the dps standing on top of a boss hasn't changed, that can demolish the clearspeed of cyclone

[midnight phoenix]

Thats vaguely useful for sure

[fluid sundial]

the balancing in this game is actually pretty good you'd be surprised

[autumn snow]

@silver kettle that gives me hopes for further changes

[midnight phoenix]

Anything that makes srs less stupid is welcome

[clear adder]

True the aoe got nerfed a bit, but it just means they have to invest in more aoe

Before you took a couple nodes and suddenly you aoe the whole screen lol

[dense sentinel]

Uhhh they gutted the aoe scaling, investing in aoe now is really painful

[tough vigil]

Any game that let one skill dominate the meta for so long is a joke

[proven wadi]

no, before your aoe scaled with weapon range

[midnight phoenix]

Now if they can fix that shit where u summon 20 srs and only 10 of them attack a single target and the other 10 just wander around with thumb up ass

[tough vigil]

Tell us why it's kept unchecked at least

[midnight phoenix]

That would be great

[kindred dagger]

Balancing team is weird yeah, its like they dont even try to hide the marketing part, like we want to sell this or this lets buff or nerf just for the sake of the money, why would we bother making a good balance to have the playe rpleased and so THEY reward us with money, no we just force them ...

[proven wadi]

well "money"

[kindred dagger]

Dont wanna do the hipster and so but when bank rules game compagnie you know players are fucked

[clear adder]

I'm ready for the Scion rework and then one league of awesome before gutting

[proven wadi]

more like, "shake things up again"

[robust shard]

Skeletons have more damage and three of them summoned in once, and have move skill

[autumn snow]

Skeletons have necro nodes built in

[clear adder]

Yep

Well that is because necro no longer has those nodes

[robust shard]

Scion necro may for VD

[clear adder]

Nah

[fluid sundial]

i'd love to play a vd/dd necro of some sort next league

[tough vigil]

Doesn't TS also make other bow skills look like a joke?

[clear adder]

Scourge arrow doesn't give a shit about TS

[tough vigil]

When i was looking for a build it was 60% TS at least

[fluid sundial]

people are iiq whores for some reason

[midnight phoenix]

SA and TS are by far the two best bow skills but i wouldnt say one is strictly better

[fluid sundial]

thats why i guess

[clear adder]

RoA is good too

[midnight phoenix]

It just depends what u wanna do with the build

[fluid sundial]

fair point roa is also nice

[clear adder]

SA, RoA, and TS dominate the bow scene

Barrage is sometimes used as a cute single target option

[robust shard]

@clear adder ikr

[tough vigil]

I really like skills like Toxic rain and stuff but damn it doesn't come anywhere as close as SA/TS levels

[midnight phoenix]

TR isnt a terrible skill

[clear adder]

Toxic Rain is a lot better without good gear though

[fluid sundial]

i played a TR pathfinder in synthesis, actual blast to play

[midnight phoenix]

Its just why would u play it when SA or TS exist

[robust shard]

@tough vigil toxic rain is not bad though

[clear adder]

TR is one of those skills you can easily just toss together and clear yellow maps

[midnight phoenix]

Sure, i guess if ur ssf or rly poor

Thats true

[tough vigil]

Oh

[kindred dagger]

OOOWWWWWW light on in my brain, if those blight minion got so much HP now poison buff makes sense, because poison is better when you take time to ramp it up 🤦

[fluid sundial]

OOOOOH 😄

[tough vigil]

So question

[robust shard]

But I really want SRS rework like the numbers or three in once summon

[tough vigil]

Summon towers, would the summon minions benefit from your necro ascendancy?

[robust shard]

I like this skill

[midnight phoenix]

Im not exactly convinced by ggg saying these mobs gonna be beefy

[clear adder]

oh i do have some good news about blight... while enemies will have elemental resistances, they supposedly shouldn't negate any builds so you can still kill fire resist mobs with fireballs for example.

[robust shard]

@tough vigil maybe aura affect

[fluid sundial]

youll have to find out i guess

[robust shard]

Not ascendancy

[kindred dagger]

Im pretty sure seeing that blight mob will be different from regular mob and generaly wont have the same way of taking damage or so

[clear adder]

You just can't use fire towers to weaken fire resist monsters

[fluid sundial]

the summon tower minions will count as allies tho, right?

[midnight phoenix]

For example in 3.7 chris was saying he'd be surprised if ppl could full clear legion monoliths early in league

[tough vigil]

Yeah it all depends on who is considered the summoner

[midnight phoenix]

And by day 4 there were a bunch of ppl speedclearing them

[clear adder]

While true, this time they just amp'd the mobs up by 10x

[tough vigil]

If the tower is considered the summoner then no but if you are it's a soft maybe for the necro ascendancy buffing them

[kindred dagger]

To full clear monolith you needed the right build

[midnight phoenix]

Shrug

I'll believe it when i see it

[fluid sundial]

i feel like chris was more targeted to a more average audience i believe, so yh we might never need the towers 😄

[clear adder]

All I have to say about legion is screw maraketh teleporting on me from 2 screens away and 1 shotting me.

[kindred dagger]

lol

[tough vigil]

Screw anything teleporting to you and one shotting you

[clear adder]

Fair

[midnight phoenix]

Legion was pretty balanced tbh

[kindred dagger]

screw the fact they were 5 times more rare than other legion

[tough vigil]

Anything because it still happens with intervention sometimes in corrupted red maps with BS mods

[midnight phoenix]

After they got rid of vaal spaghetti

[fluid sundial]

abyss invisi bois

[clear adder]

You know I only died a couple times to Vaal red stuff

Because I had a shit load of physical reduction

lmao

[tough vigil]

Marcus leoneye was fun

[midnight phoenix]

I league started with SA

[tough vigil]

Templar dude was an asshole tho

[midnight phoenix]

Those spaghetti were no joke

[clear adder]

dude, the biggest asshole was fish lady

[tough vigil]

Snake lady?

[clear adder]

She would just phase out for like a minute if you hit her

whatever

Dumb bitch that disappeared too much

Her

[tough vigil]

I never had troubles with her? :o

[clear adder]

She had a bug

[tough vigil]

I never knew what her snakes even did

[clear adder]

She could just constantly be damage immune inside the snake/fish/thing

[tough vigil]

She doesn't stay long in it usually tho no?

[clear adder]

usually no

with the bug, yes

[tough vigil]

Oh damn lmao

Snake lady like "byeeee"

[clear adder]

I saw it on the patch notes it got fixed at least

but i had quit the league already

[kindred dagger]

RETREAT

[tough vigil]

I know templar dude hit like a truck tho

Snake lady and Marcus are fine damage wise but templar and maraketh really hit hard

[midnight phoenix]

Templar had mechanics

If u didnt do mechanics it was tough fight

[clear adder]

if you ignore mechanics templar was a steel wall

[tough vigil]

I spin i win

Tbh tho no matter how much fun and easy cyclone was last league EDC was the easiest and most busted which i think is seeing a nerf with blight mechanic this time around?

[clear adder]

maybe

I think Cyclone is the most insane a skill has been in awhile

[midnight phoenix]

EDC im sure will be the same as its been for the past two years

Minus how well it happened to interact with the league mechanic in legion

[clear adder]

Watching someone kill shaper with a tabby and 1c sword hurt my heart

Killed it fast too

[midnight phoenix]

Which is that u play it if u want to safely clear maps on zero budget, and at no other time would u bother with it

[clear adder]

ED Contagion bores me to tears

Almost as boring as Araakali's fang builds 😉

[tough vigil]

It was profitable tho

Which you quickly notice make you stronger since more currency

[midnight phoenix]

Well the thing with edc is it scales worse with currency than nearly anything else

So... kinda?

[clear adder]

If you want something that is literally always strong you just roll a HoAg build

it scales very well with currency and clears most things on a shoestring budget

Really, it is the perfect build if you can stand to play it

[kindred dagger]

lets go new info

[clear adder]

Time to be disappointed by the new poison gems

[fluid sundial]

ok im playing something poison 🙂

[kindred dagger]

That is cool having more skills interaction

[clear adder]

Yep, these skills are trash

Cool interactions

but meh.

Venom Gyre very disappoint

[kindred dagger]

i proposed things like that on reddit few month ago, people were just shussh at me lol

[clear adder]

Unless we can increase the projectiles

Then Gyre could be good

ohh

watched the video now

looks like we can increase them

[kindred dagger]

We can in a tricky way for sure as they say it work with fork

At least its interesting, we need to see numbers and so*

[clear adder]

Mhm

They have to be careful about clearing skills that can also single target

[fluid sundial]

good that they have added chaos like viper strike got in legion

[clear adder]

So I imagine it will be fairly weak

Very pretty skills though

well

[kindred dagger]

plague bearrer feel nie as well its like a nuke attack that you charge up and store until you want to realease it

[clear adder]

skill

[kindred dagger]

thats cool

[clear adder]

Plague bearer lives or dies based on how much you can store

and if there is a way to increase the storage

Outside of gem levels ofc

[fluid sundial]

plague bearer doesnt synergise well with those ranged skills thats for sure, but for someting like viper strike, neat

[clear adder]

Yeah or that new poison strike explosion skill

forgot the name

stabby stabby boom poof

[teal axle]

its clearly meant for this new skill, or some other way to poison a lot

like barrage

[fluid sundial]

ah yeah that one

[teal axle]

or toxic rain

toxic rain with a dot focus that still poisons consistently with this for burst

[kindred dagger]

oh be ahhpy just look the video venom gyre act as a regular projectile so yeah you can alter it with GMP and so like in the video

[fluid sundial]

do people actually play toxic rain for poison dmg? 😄

[teal axle]

no

but it does have an innate chance to poison

so you just bump that up a bit

and store charges

is my thought

[clear adder]

Yep yep, same lld

[teal axle]

oh

12% of the stored damage per second

so you have to want to deal damage with poison

cant just have it be incidental

[clear adder]

Yes

a lot

[fluid sundial]

yeah that might be cool, but ur getting in melee range tho for the dmg aura :/

but the returning doesnt work like spectral throw it seems

[hoary snow]

The way it was shown in the video makes me think the intended theme is to be relatively close without being in actual striking range

[fluid sundial]

you gotta catch it

[hoary snow]

Yeah, return seemed to have a defined angle which was interesting - shoot past you to hit targets behind you if you moved

[clear adder]

How does it work with pierce..

[midnight phoenix]

Hits twice

[teal axle]

to me it just, really looks like spectral throw but with poison synergy

[midnight phoenix]

Says so in the description

[teal axle]

like they could've made the 'store returned blades, fire them when you use a movement skill' a threshhold jewel

[lucid stone]

Cobra Lash, Venom Gyre, or Spectral Throw?

[midnight phoenix]

The answer is usually alt f4 over spectral throw

[kindred dagger]

or more interaction imagine having it with bladestorm or bladevortex where you would have a tones of blade flying around you

[midnight phoenix]

The other two its up to the numbers

[lucid stone]

Venom Gyre CoC Ethereal Knives might be cool thematically. 🤷

[wanton rivet]

venom gyre looks dope

[tidal frost]

time to use it without poison

[cursive gust]

This a NSFW chat ok

W e I r d

[lucid stone]

owo

OWO

[kindred dagger]

oh oh oh they allready changed things, i told you this league is gonna be wack if they dont pay attention a lot of people allready are not too happy about many thing

And yeah people on internet and people ine general they love to cry but you can see when they cry more that mean there is a reason

[lucid stone]

Can they cry about saboteur next

Buff sabo~

[kindred dagger]

^^

What would like too see ?

[lucid stone]

Uh

To be honest I don't know

Radius per 5 mines

[kindred dagger]

I dont know this class i legit never looked it over 3 years of playing this game so

[lucid stone]

Necro looks a lot more fun than sabo

[kindred dagger]

And i never played mine or trap i only once tried lightning trap for the shock boost damage and i fucking didnt like it

But with those bot that place mine i will give it a look at least

[snow cairn]

the bots don't place them

they activate them and then rearm

so only if you leave mines lying around will they do anything

[kindred dagger]

oh yeah but still thats cool

[rugged locust]

it sounds like this new plaguebearer thing will be usable on stuff that doesn't necessarily focus on poison damage but deals poison damage anyway?

just slap it down and put a wither totem up and you get a fair bit of damage

[lucid stone]

If your posion damage is bad, your plaguebringer damage will be bad.

[rugged locust]

if you have the whole map to store damage and then use it all on the boss though

that's a lot of monsters and a lot of damage to accumulate

for something dealing 2 chaos damage to stack poisons for hoag it probably won't be good, no

hmm, if your regular damage kills the monsters before the poison damage has a chance to take effect then it won't accumulate very much damage

[kindred dagger]

maybe but we dont know there is maybe still a gap to the damage it can store

and i guess it will because lol imagine storing it a whole map and then enter a boss room... HI/see ya nerd

or maybe it would be like vaal skill, reset with room

[rugged locust]

I don't think very many things at all are stored across zones

wouldn't be helpful in elder zones, for example

[tidal frost]

It stops lessening your poison damage when the skill has stored its maximum amount. ?

[rugged locust]

yes

[kindred dagger]

it still would be cool on some huge boss as they spawn mobs or just if they got phase like you poison the first phase then the second appears you release plague, and so on

[rugged locust]

it might work on uber elder add phases?

also wither and despair scale the damage, right?

[tranquil beacon]

probably yes

[kindred dagger]

I dont think

[rugged locust]

I wonder how skill duration will affect it too

[kindred dagger]

The description says that the damage isnt buffed by your attribute because the damage stored are allready depending on your poison (buffed) damage

[snow cairn]

skill duration shouldn't affect it, it only deals damage until it runs out of stored damage

wither is a debuff though so it might still work

[kindred dagger]

but probably the plague damage will still be buff/reduce by effect like def vs penetration but dont know

I mean for exemple if it has store like 200k damage it will just do 200k damage over the plague time and maybe could not be reduced or buff its would be like a fixed amount

[rugged locust]

empower might be nice with it too, depending how well it scales

and it would be weird if other supports didn't scale the damage too

[kindred dagger]

dont know they said your bonus doesnt make it scale but maybe its only tree and item bonus,

If support does work on it that mean you could use things like Cons for increase the damage or inc area to add some clear while running

[midnight phoenix]

They may word it as reflected dmg

Same as molten shell

Which scales with nearly nothing

[rugged locust]

maybe not reflected damage since it's a dot but I see what you mean

empower and debuffs should still work though

[regal flicker]

Any changes to Berserker in 3.8?

[silver kettle]

we don't know yet. wait until patch notes in 2 days

[regal flicker]

Okay, wasn't sure if any leaks or not. thanks

[tough vigil]

Assassins look so good

[eager terrace]

nothing specifically for zerker in leaks yeah

[tidal ruin]

oh right

patch notes in 2 days

oh heck

the league is basically out'

[mystic sparrow]

Oh yeah, what does the scion assassin point change to?

[tidal ruin]

iirc it was posted or something

nerfed but you get elusive sometimes now

[mystic sparrow]

damn, and i wanted to use that on consecrated path scion

guess i'm sticking with zerker + elementalist

[tidal frost]

elusive is what; 40 movepeed?

[tidal ruin]

that decays

idk how quickly

40% mspd and 20% dodge

[clear adder]

it decays and can't be refreshed

[tidal ruin]

can't be refreshed? D:

so you have to wait for it to expire before getting a fresh stack?

[teal axle]

ye

[vital idol]

From the vid for the poisons skills

it decays pretty fast

[teal axle]

its a strong buff so it prevents permanent uptime

[vital idol]

like id say within like 5 seconds from max to 0

but you can drop the elusive with a skill and refresh instantly

soo you can keep full uptime on it pretty much and on the upper end

[tranquil beacon]

so 20% decrease per second

[eager terrace]

I think the wither move skill thing also will refresh elusive

but I haven't seen anything else that says it does that

[vast gazelle]

Holy shit poison assassin is gonna be lit

[tidal frost]

too many poison mods. rip my non-assasin poison builds

thanks ggg

[runic fractal]

? Why rip your non-assassin poison build?

[tidal frost]

assasin has 25 multiplier; 50% more on crit; and duration per poison. its alot togive up for dps. I dont think I can justify them

[vast gazelle]

Also don't forget the added heal on death when poisoned

[runic fractal]

But what does the new poison nodes have to do with non poison? I don't get it.
Assassin is just as strong for non poison as it was before?

[vast gazelle]

And the more accessible crit chance

[tidal frost]

its a little too shoehorned for poison builds; in my opinion

which if thats what they wanted ascendancies to be; fine. but theyve done the exact oposite other places

[vast gazelle]

To be fair no more than half of assassin references poiaon

[tidal frost]

those 4 points are absurd though

[runic fractal]

They don't make non poison any less strong

[tidal frost]

Im not complaining that assasin cant go non poison; Im saying non-assasin poison has a huge dmg mod to overcome.

just a tad bit much

[runic fractal]

Considering how shitty poison was, i see no issue in there being some huge buff to it.
But in 3.9 it'll be readjusted anyways.

[autumn snow]

Assassin never had dmg problems tho

[tidal frost]

right; but mvoe it down out of assasin

part of it

[runic fractal]

Why shouldn't assassin have poison?
I mean, isn't that literally a weapon an Assassin would use?

[tidal frost]

thats not the point.

assasins should have poison

it should be say; 50% better than others. not 150% better (random numbers here)

[runic fractal]

Well, until we've actually seen the numbers in use, i think it's too early to say it like that.

[autumn snow]

I would still play pf because prolif

[clear adder]

I don't think poison will even be as strong as non-poison

Or it will be close together

I don't see it blowing it out of the water

[autumn snow]

Can't wait to improve my poison HoT 👌

[tidal frost]

it all comes down to if they acutally added enough multi to the tree I suppose.

[autumn snow]

Can hardly reach 1m dps with a giga ton of buffs meh

Pf though

Needed the prolif

[clear adder]

Hm

[runic fractal]

You don't need the prolif with the two new poison skills imo

And you can definitely reach 1m dps with the new nodes i think

[autumn snow]

Rf poison meh

[clear adder]

Good

[autumn snow]

I want auto bomber

[runic fractal]

I wasn't exactly meaning that rf poison skill 😄 But cobra lash, and that other skill you throw

[clear adder]

Meanwhile coc and physical assassin will be doing around 6 mil lol

[autumn snow]

That's no longer auto bomber :/

It's a meme build, not supposed to be amazing good

[tidal frost]

I mean; you can 1m dps easy in legion non-assasin. just need to build it right.

[clear adder]

I'm just saying that poison has a mountain to climb to even compete

[autumn snow]

We'll see

I really want to do bomber except dmg comes from poison and has good single

Problem with assassin is that I have to scale HoI too

Or my clear dmg will be shit

I also need to do enough dmg with Hoi to shock so I can maintain HoT

[compact junco]

you can get up to few mill dps with close to 0 investment in damage on your gear with poison (outside of cheap weapon), and that is in 3.7, in 3.8 it will be at least 50-60% more damage than that so i would say poison has uses and do not really needs to compete with flat phys/ele @clear adder

and for the herald of thunder poison meme, we are getting circles back, so you should get a lot of damage on top of it (or, well, not sure what rings were you using before) cake

[limpid wigeon]

do you think perfect agony poison is going to be dece or is it still a dead meme

[compact junco]

it is already decent imo

[limpid wigeon]

assuming it goes from 30% to 50% multiplier

[compact junco]

well you are kind of stuck with perfect agony already, because best flask for poison builds is corrallito, so every poison build is already using perfect agony

regardless if PA by itself is strong or not :d

[tidal frost]

its not really that decent; but yeah its on a free flask so why not

[compact junco]

yeah on my poison build with bunch of crit, i think without perfect agony (when I delete it from corallito) i lose only around 5-6% dps what is quite sad

[tidal frost]

using it for 80% duration or whatever it is anyway

[compact junco]

so hopefully in 3.8 it will be better

[limpid wigeon]

if the leaks are correct you could simulate it in your build by changing your crit multi

so that 30% of it = 50% of your real crit multi

though

that would probs mess with other calcs

[compact junco]

they leaked PA? i was looking for it but i couldnt find it

[limpid wigeon]

from what i saw it was 50%

instead of 30%

[compact junco]

hmm

i guess that is at least somehting

[limpid wigeon]

almost doubled tbh

66% increase

[compact junco]

i dont think its enough tho, but hmm, the crit multi nodes I was skipping were only slightly below % of damage i would pick, so maaaybe

lethality on my tree atm is 3.1% per point, so this would change it to what? 4% per point maybe, or 4.5, that is decent

my planned build is already getting like 30-40% more damage compared to 3.7 at least from the changes i saw so far, so i am already pretty hyped, but getting more never hurts :d

i also wonder how crazy the poison RF will be

like

if you stack 1M stacks on it, that means you have 120k BASE dot per second?

so 6 link with that would be crazy, right

to just delete something from existence

[native sonnet]

it doesnt scale with regular dmg supp gem/dmg modifiers

[compact junco]

oh really?

😦

[native sonnet]

u can scale the dmg cap with empower and aoe with inc aoe but thats about it

[compact junco]

i dont see anywhere that it will not stack from linked gems tho. the reveal only says This damage isn't affected by your character's damage modifiers but does that also apply to support gems?

but if it works like that, then that is pretty unfortunate, that skill could've been pretty fun

[compact junco]

rip

[wet plaza]

Sounds shitty from the start unfortunately

[clear adder]

So plague bearer is trash then

Oh well

At least we got 1 good poison skill lol

[wild arch]

Gotta say I'm a bit underwhelmed by poison

[clear adder]

Venom Gyre looks litty

[wild arch]

It's like they forgot that spells exist

[velvet palm]

if you have space you can use it for UElder during the add phases

[clear adder]

Inb4 shit scaling

[wild arch]

And all the new gems are shoehorned into claws & daggers

[clear adder]

Yeah..

[velvet palm]

claws and daggers are already unpopular, so that's good

[compact junco]

its fine, the important buffs are not tied to claws and daggers

[wild arch]

There's a reason they're unpopular

[velvet palm]

not anymore

[compact junco]

so only few skills are locked, so it will at least give them some use

[wild arch]

Claws are fine

[compact junco]

and also, claws were always best choice for poison melee

[wild arch]

Daggers are pure garbage

[compact junco]

and it will probably stay that way, and daggerrs will be still useless

[velvet palm]

nope

daggers are also fine

[compact junco]

yeah if you want to sacrifice all sustain

they are

and you definitely need it on poison build

[wild arch]

There's nothing fine about slow, no range, low damage weapons

[velvet palm]

there are daggers that roll pure phys mods

[compact junco]

im pretty sure daggers will be still unused

[wild arch]

No there aren't

[velvet palm]

yeah, 'cause claws have amazing sustain

[wild arch]

Runic daggers roll spells only, the rest roll both

[burnt finch]

Do we know of any nodes affecting Elusive?

[wild arch]

Apart from assassin no

Oh and they need to flip shadow's dagger grip back

You're just hitting shit with the pommels and it looks stupid

[runic zephyr]

so did i see it right that blight starts at 10pm for EU? (UTC+1) im confused by time zones

[wild arch]

Welp, guess it's finally poison hammer time

[violet nymph]

Can someone dm me tldr of the leaks

[languid path]

all the leaks are already teased by ggg already

[wet plaza]

@runic zephyrthere is a time on the Poe main page

[languid path]

so nothing new

[violet nymph]

Oh k

[wild arch]

Not everything but nothing amazing

Apart from the +1 unleash stack notable

[vital idol]

Darkscorn scoruge arrow assassin might
be decent, though pathfinder might still be better

[runic zephyr]

@wet plaza yes, but i dont know what timezone the time is for...

[wild arch]

A lot of people seem to agree that PF is still better

It's like, the assassin poison buffs are nice, but do you really need them?

[vital idol]

Poison prolif is too good for clear

Need patch notes and skill tree, couple more days

[wild arch]

Isn't pestilent strike basically poison prolif tho?

[wet plaza]

@runic zephyr your timezone

[languid path]

if you use the timer on the website then don't worry about the timezone

timezone is only relevant for a fixed point in time, not a countdown

[vital idol]

Pestilent strike wont work with bows

Just melee

[wild arch]

Using poison with anything but daggers & claws

What are you, not a metasheep?

[vital idol]

Darkscorn is good for poison builds

[wild arch]

Darkscorn CA shotgun sounds pretty good 🤔

[vital idol]

Like, i imagine alot of people doing the new ST (poison gyre)

Which is tempting

[wild arch]

Was the weapon support shadowblade or something?

[vital idol]

Ye, nightblade support

[silver kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/km0Ry0d.png

[wild arch]

Maybe you could cook up some crazy crit bleed build with varunastra

[vital idol]

Look foward to someone with like 1k crit multi

This league

For memes

[wild arch]

Crit permastun blight mobs

Hmmm

Cold poison glacial hammer permafreeze?

[vital idol]

Viper strike will be amazing also

[timid geyser]

rumored Hiero changes sounding pretty intresting

[wild arch]

What changes?

[vital idol]

Waits for elementalist changes...

[wild arch]

First time hearing this

[timid geyser]

Divine guidance is now "30% max mana (was +150 base), 10% MoM and increases/reductions to max mana apply to damage at 30% value (new)".
Sanctuary of Thought is now "20% max mana as extra ES (was 30%, nerf), 50% less mana cost of skills (was reduced, nerf), 10% less mana reserve, 1% increased AoE per 50 unreserved mana up to 100% (new)"

[wild arch]

That sounds interesting

[vital idol]

Divine ire totems

[silver kettle]

why bother capping that

if someone wants to have >5k mana let them

[wild arch]

I remember needing a lot for indigon

[vital idol]

Feel the hidden life notable would be better

[wet plaza]

Hm No clue why they needed to nerf hiero there

[vital idol]

Still need to see all hidden notables, also curious how hard spirutal aid wi ne to craft of ammy

[wild arch]

Wouldn't tenacity be amazing for thiccjugg?

[timid geyser]

They are adding a lot of mana to passive tree so it kinda makes sense. (supposedly)

[wild arch]

Does anyone even run thiccjugg anymore?

[vital idol]

Did a MOM EB trickerter ed/c last league and thay boi want tanky af

With a ton of ES

[compact junco]

well if you had EB, your # of mana doesnt matter

[wild arch]

Trickster can get away with a relatively low mana pool cuz infinite sustain

[vital idol]

Id do ed/c again if i can get spiritual aid and that it will propably be nerfed, also i dont like to play same build over and over

[compact junco]

ed/c will probably not be that good for this league anyway

well, not probably, definitely. compared to how good it was in legion

[vital idol]

For league mechanic, nope, still a good league starter

Overall

[low kindle]

Pledge of hands hiero let's go

Though would it be noncrit?

That sucks

Hierophant cyclone 👀

[timid geyser]

I mean you could easily still go crit for pledge build.

[vital idol]

Assuming darkscorn dosent cost like 50ex, feeling scoruge arrow poison assassin

[fallen tulip]

Scourge arrow might be the best way to get the 1million dmg on the new poison aoe

[elfin iron]

thoughts on assassin? I'm seeing a lot of crit chance and multi

I wonder if it can compete against berserker for crit builds

[copper kernel]

assassin is the crit build

[velvet palm]

I meeeean, how common is melee assassin

[violet nymph]

a true assassin would stealth through the whole map and then one shot the boss only to quickly TP out

[winged elm]

has Perfect Agony been leaked or not?

[white wolf]

not yet

[fallen tulip]

@violet nymph there's a build similar to that

[runic fractal]

https://i.imgur.com/xYu6XE2.png

I never noticed they changed how bleed looks on the screen 😮

[patent canyon]

ohh this is how bleed icon looks like

[torpid sonnet]

pretty sure thats corrupted blood

[patent canyon]

it is

still bleed

[runic fractal]

Well, that's what i meant, got excited, okay! 😄

[patent canyon]

i actually cant remember last time i've seen corrupted blood on bar

[vital idol]

In assuming perfect agony will mostly just be a direct number buff

[patent canyon]

most likely

with less damage with hits being reduced or removed

hopefully

[low knot]

that poisonous assassin looks nice from the looks

[lucid stone]

Trypanon ignite build?

[wild arch]

Brain rattler equilibrium lighting ignite

[gloomy dune]

if anyone cares

[lucid stone]

Eh...

How good is 50%?

[gloomy dune]

it's 30% now

that's almost doubling it

there's also stuff like this now though

etc

[lucid stone]

Where is this from

[gloomy dune]

there might have been a pob tree leaked somewhere

[lucid stone]

Whats that fire and ice flask notable

[gloomy dune]

a lua file you can download

pictures are wrong

it's the new values, but node pictures are wrong

[lucid stone]

🤔

So is this just screenshots or the full tree

[gloomy dune]

gimme a node you wanna see and i'll show you 😉

[lucid stone]

Volatile Mines. owo

And Blast Cascade

[lucid stone]

Oh wow that's awesome

10% inc damage taken on tree?

Aaaand mine detonation speed

[lucid stone]

That's like half of sabo

owo;

OWO;

[lucid stone]

STOP, STOP MY HEART CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH

[gloomy dune]

these are all the mine related nodes

[fallen tulip]

yo where is this

i want to plan stuff

is this the first time we have access to "updated" pob before the actual patch lol

[gloomy dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/347422922434019332/618053097104605186/tempFileForShare_20190902-140149.jpg

[runic fractal]

lol

[gloomy dune]

someone has to take over for me from that one now xD i have to go back to work

😦

If someone wants to see anything but doesnt wanna install this then @ me, ill be back in 3 hours, answering the @s

[lucid stone]

Well I dont know what to do with this. :>

[quiet geyser]

and were is the file now?

and i dont want to go on some wierd non savelooking page

[fallen tulip]

u dont have to

i alrdy did

[patent canyon]

whats the password for the rar?

[gloomy dune]

There is no rar :s

[patent canyon]

what did i download 👀

[gloomy dune]

File goes into programdata/pathofbuilding/treedata or something like that

File should br called tree.lua. doesnt need to be opened

[fallen tulip]

you downloaded the old PoB build that enables you to look at hidden trees

but you dont have the password

there's a link to the lua file download at the first line in the pic

[gloomy dune]

Dont update pob afterwards, or tree is gone

[patent canyon]

this?

[fallen tulip]

nah

in the picture mooseling posted

replace SLASH with /

[lucid stone]

If only windows 10 didnt suck at searching files

[patent canyon]

yeah i did

thats from that link

[fallen tulip]

this one has the lua

its in the same pic

[quiet geyser]

otherwierd question, is the lua file save or can it do other wierd stuff from the pob folder?

[patent canyon]

ohh the first one

[fallen tulip]

who knows stephfra

it might not be a .lua at all 😉

works on my machine

[gloomy dune]

I made a virus scan, showed nothing, but as im at work you just have to trust me and go for it, or test it yourself, or leave it to piraatti to leak a bit :P

[fallen tulip]

well everythings leaked so far

so just install it for yourselves and start planning

[quiet geyser]

is it more then a lua file?

[fallen tulip]

doesnt seem like it

[gloomy dune]

I was let down with that tree. I preplanned a tree (cobra lash assassin with 75% evasion and 177% life and 55/48 dodge (pre elusive pre vaal grace, but with flask).

Now wirg the leaked pob file i dont have to change everything on the tree. I just get 34% more dmg from more dmg over time nodes + a better perfect agony

I mean its good and i like it. But i hoped for more theorycrafting to be requires against my boredom

[fallen tulip]

cobra lash seems like a pretty effective skill tho

well who knows

when are the gem details? tomorrow?

[quiet geyser]

the new fire mines look funny

[patent canyon]

wait hold up my brain is having a stroke

[quiet geyser]

https://discordapp.com/channels/174993814845521922/175003881300951040/616806162276548636

[olive whale]

Friday if i remember correctly

[patent canyon]

there is no tree data in there nor appdata nor docs

[violet nymph]

wait how do i update pob?

[quiet geyser]

lua

[violet nymph]

😠

idk what that means

[fallen tulip]

that looks like the old PoB folder?

you downloaded the old one?

[violet nymph]

what do i change it to

just put 3.8 instead of 3.7?

[patent canyon]

i already had pob

[fallen tulip]

you download the tree.lua of 3.8 to replace 3.7 passive tree

[patent canyon]

or do i need to snag new one

[fallen tulip]

and then your PoB shows you everything on the passive tree

[violet nymph]

where do i download it

[fallen tulip]

you can use your current pob

[gloomy dune]

Its a different folder. Your pc has a hidden programdata folder in c:/ in there it is

[lucid stone]

I don't know what I'm doing :D

[rustic sentinel]

Download source from github instead of using the install wizard so you don’t fuck up your pob for 3.7 trees

[patent canyon]

aaah

found it

[violet nymph]

i haven't found it 😦

[quiet geyser]

pirattipatti, can you do one thing for me?
highlight "mine" and make a screenshot and send it?

[fallen tulip]

i think mooseling did that alrdy?

[quiet geyser]

yea mb

sorry

[gloomy dune]

Yep already did

[fallen tulip]

there ya go anyways

its all around Shadow

[gloomy dune]

Spectre +1 is still on tree btw

[fallen tulip]

oh I suppose Mortal Conviction says "Non-mine aura skills reserve no mana"

[quiet geyser]

this leauge is still 4 days old, they change alot ^^

[fallen tulip]

so 1 at the opposite side lol

[quiet geyser]

leak*

[runic fractal]

@fallen tulip Is Gravepact gone?

[gloomy dune]

So with new gem giving 2 spectres you can now have 3 spectres without gear

[fallen tulip]

is it supposed to be gone?

[runic fractal]

No it was moved apparently. But it no longer gives +1 zombie 😦

[quiet geyser]

lol were did the mine/trap power charge generation go?

[runic fractal]

https://i.imgur.com/CFpLSLY.png

[fallen tulip]

it gives a shitload of accuracy

[runic fractal]

@fallen tulip How many zombies can you get from the tree now?

[fallen tulip]

to whoever was worried about skeletons losing "hits cant be evaded"

looks like +2

[runic fractal]

They really halfed the numbers of zombies on tree as well? Holy shit

[lucid stone]

Wow, scion sabo is exactly as I expected

Just got nerfed regen

[runic fractal]

I see

[violet nymph]

someone make a guide on how to update it 😦

[fallen tulip]

download tree.lua

replace tree.lua in pathofbuilding/treedata/3.7

[lucid stone]

1. Turn on Hidden Files in file explorer
2. Go to C:/ProgramData/PathofBuilding/TreeData
3. Go to 3.7
4. Replace tree.lua with the one you get from the site
5. Don't update

[runic fractal]

Where do you download the tree.lua?

[lucid stone]

It's from that file io screencap

Replace SLASH with /

[runic fractal]

Ahh, now i get it

[gloomy dune]

Can anyone node search "corpse"?

[lucid stone]

I gotta go. :<

[fallen tulip]

i wonder if Solstice Vigil will affect Elusive?

does it affect Berserk?

[livid hawk]

corpse doesn't give any results other than necro and scion necro

[fallen tulip]

necro is the Corpse god

[lucid stone]

Any changes on other ascendancies than necro assassin sabo?

[quiet geyser]

scion :^)

raider

[lucid stone]

Thats what I meant

Like on scion

[livid hawk]

hiero

[quiet geyser]

sabo less regen

assasin crit nerf, but elusive on kill

[gloomy dune]

Piratti do i dee a poison build there?

[fallen tulip]

poison crit

[lucid stone]

Well, definitely not going scion for mines. :/

[gloomy dune]

Wanna compare trees in 3 hours when im home?

[fallen tulip]

it doesnt count the Perfect Agony stuff yet tho

im fairly certain my tree sux since i have no idea how to gear these guys

just "Sort by DPS" and pick the top one

[gloomy dune]

Mine is made for hardcore so i have 177% life and inc 335% evasion

[lucid stone]

Mines have gotten super strong tree nodes but meh ascendancy nodes

[quiet geyser]

were did the power charge generation from mines go?

[lucid stone]

It's by ghost reaver

[quiet geyser]

ah thx

[gloomy dune]

Ill just link you me tree when im home if you want piraatti. Ill surely compare mine to yours (i have the screenshot :3)

[fallen tulip]

yeah

[lucid stone]

I never realized how much more sense the tree makes with art

And icons

[gloomy dune]

Oh pirate guys. Travel south after acrobatics

[quiet geyser]

yea pain reflexes is best node

[gloomy dune]

Saves you a travel node

[quiet geyser]

and Avatar of Acrobatics

[gloomy dune]

Saves 2 even

[fallen tulip]

yeah

its overallocated as is

[gloomy dune]

What level is your tree?

[fallen tulip]

90

with 417% crit multi against Full life enemies

[gloomy dune]

The red one is a lot of DPS

[fallen tulip]

i would be getting like 208,5% Ailment multiplier

[quiet geyser]

what

but they removed all poisen incs right?

[fallen tulip]

?

[quiet geyser]

Increases to poisen

now there is only ailment multiplier right?

[fallen tulip]

nah

[gloomy dune]

Nope

Its both now

[quiet geyser]

pffff tzzzz

thats stronk

[void wing]

Chaos damage over time includes poison.

[fallen tulip]

its their ArchetypeTM

[quiet geyser]

bear trap meta incomming

[void wing]

They switched a bunch of non ailment chaos dot to just chaos dot.

[patent canyon]

210k with basic random bow and coralitas and enough life, doesnt sound bad so far

[fallen tulip]

yeah its hilarious looking at the Average damage

and then total dps

[patent canyon]

yeah

[quiet geyser]

and now imagin getting a good craftet weapon ...

[patent canyon]

i havent played poison for so long, i will be adjusting this char every second

[quiet geyser]

maybe i play some poisen ek nova

[gloomy dune]

Imagine getting a claw with despair on hit

[fallen tulip]

poison crits seems bretty good tho

if it's really 50% of crit multiplier is Ailment multiplier

[quiet geyser]

yea that also works with ignires right?

[patent canyon]

yh

[fallen tulip]

yeah

building for ignite crit might be a bit harder tho

[livid hawk]

i have the leaked tree, but somehow can't find all 13 amulet only notables by only looking, there should be 13 of them right? Is there a specific term to just search for those?

i got upto 11

[eternal laurel]

So crit multi is a double dip for poison?

[void wing]

Not from my understanding.