Who knows, maybe it will be a delve league. With the potential for endless Nico rotas.
#1┃mirage-league
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fleet garden
the league mechanics could be good to farm , we still don't know how much it can give us
elfin iron
I don't like how you get dailies with all your alts
it tempts me to make a lot of alts early just to maximize the sulphite you get
languid path
like alt account?
static token
Pimp your leveling gear, pass it around on each account. I'm sure you can get it to like under an hour per alt account to maps.
elfin iron
@languid path other characters
copper kernel
why tho
elfin iron
I don't like the idea
languid path
atlas missions are account wide
elfin iron
but don't you get more dailies if you level more characters to maps and leave them there?
and then collect them when you want
copper kernel
no?
elfin iron
wtf
wet plaza
you should get more dailies the older your acc is
copper kernel
why would that work
wet plaza
it's the only fair metric
static token
If you do it on multiple accounts you do.
copper kernel
its an account wide thing
languid path
probably, but timestamp?
static token
No, they are talking about making 10 different accounts.
copper kernel
you better provide a timestamp lul
elfin iron
maybe 10 different accounts but getting into the party with their main to get the sulphite?
static token
The mule account just has to talk to their master, open the map, then your main account actually runs it.
lyric ore
copper kernel
all are
cunning oak
sabo leaked ?
low kindle
yeah
cunning oak
any link ?
low kindle
Somewhere in this chat
wet plaza
📌
low kindle
Or album in pinned reddit topic
Was perfect agony leaked?
Not that I'm gonna play dot builds 
patent canyon
not yet
i am honestly just waiting for it to decide if really want to go with crit poison ass
modern radish
guys im just pitching ideas for the new necromancer but isnt akuna's will going to be a Big thing?
tiny flint
native sun
Yeah it is a secret passive
delicate acorn
midnight kraken
23 ice nova mines detonating in sequence:
Izaro: Can I move?
Mine 1: No.
Mine 2: Also no.
Mine 3: Hell no.
...
fallow ether
Dang, can't really do MoM and lost regen
native osprey
🤔
kindred dagger
like like like wtf pyromaniac ? is it possible to abuse of double mine trap proc to have like permanent 20% life regen ?
slim arrow
I mean, yeah, but it's harder than before afaik
kindred dagger
what the keystone was allready like that ? no way
snow cairn
tidal frost
depends how much you needed the heals; the heal is also easier to ramp up
certainly a nerf for facetanking point blank with mines
kindred dagger
Oh that feels weird lol
im a gonna check actual pob
oh wow you are actually right divided by 2 lul i didnt knew there was a so busted node
tidal frost
the node was super strong
slim arrow
kind of disappointed in Sabo changes
tidal frost
I think most poeple are disapointed in mine changes; and therefore the new mine sabo.
silver kettle
I love the mine changes. The Sabo changes are disappointing just because there aren't many of them
kindred dagger
I dont knoww for the rest but i guess ith those mine bot and so it have acces to more easy gameplay and more intereactive i guess in the end he lose this tanking to gain some damage
tidal frost
100% aura effect is going to be extremely strong
silver kettle
I don't think it really needed huge changes but still
kindred dagger
dont know how does aura work on mine ?
silver kettle
I think people are really overstating the pyro nerf though
tidal frost
each mine you ahve out has an aura
silver kettle
Doesn't feel like a big deal
tidal frost
you have 10 mines out; if each does 3% dmg taken; mob takes 30% increased dmg taken
kindred dagger
yeah personaly i didnt knew this was existing and 10% hp regen i was like WOW now knowing it was 20% it just dumb busted
tidal frost
double aura makes it 60 dmg taken
mines cap out at like 20 now
dont know the exact% on the double dmg chance support
wet plaza
10% lost regen and a whole other playstyle for miner is a pretty big deal imo
tidal frost
the playstyle change is the big weird thing. 10% lost regen will of course hurt.
I did a trapper and that 20% regen just is alot.
I can see it being too strong; but noone likes things being nerfed
silver kettle
It's not really 10% lost regen though. It's only that if you are allowed to throw your mines/traps without much interruption, which is the exact time you don't need it
fallow ether
the issue for me is it was one of the few ways to scale defenses for sabo - otherwise they have pretty low hp and blind
silver kettle
In scary situations you're going to have to spend time dodging and won't have max stacks
I think you missed my point
wet plaza
i see the point but the nerf is the same nerf either way
with 10% more regen you could tank more which allowed you to burst a bit longer
eager terrace
you really rarely hit regen cap
it’s mostly a nerf to like the first 4 seconds of big boss fights
wet plaza
wasnt really hard to hit tbh
wet plaza
if you scale throwing speed definitely
eager terrace
they’re staggered usually
like in most situations you’re alternating moving and tossing
the window is short enough that you have to be able to stand and throw to even get a couple seconds of regen cap
I don’t play mines but I do like lighting trap a lot
I just don’t think I’d even care since in those cases you can just stand and toss like that your regen usually doesn’t matter anyway
never mind that it was kind of crazy to be able to get that much in the first place
patent canyon
20% regen for the most part meant you can just not dodge and face tank some stuff
sure you didnt have it capped 24/7 but it was really good node
tidal frost
it indeed probably was too strong; but its not good face to nerf it here
I forone will just use flasks like I normally do on non sabo miners.
could use a duration buff with the cap nerf
eager terrace
I wouldn’t mind that actually
fair prairie
So saboteur seems to be highly specialized, more so then other ascendancies. Useless for everything but mines and traps.
patent canyon
you can use blind part
copper kernel
it was
tidal frost
....you could in hteory get the 2 utility ones; and the 100% mine effect then dont use mines for dmg only a boss aura
copper kernel
but you dont really need to use it for mines anymore
hasty knoll
Is Sabo trapper even good compared to sabo minerol
copper kernel
you can get blind from blood n sand
tidal frost
youll still die in one hit
twin rampart
nah
elusive + another source of dr will most likely keep you alive vs most things
before it was just like anything could one shot you
fair prairie
Shadow is just in a very unfortunate side of the tree where it's life is poopy. unless they add more defensive nodes in good locations on that end of the tree death in one hit is going to continue to be a thing.
twin rampart
now it's just the normal dumb stuff
like double phys aura legions or something
bringing assassin up to everyone else was a gud idea
ascendancy was straight garbage for a looooooooooooong time
kindred dagger
its kinda the same with many ascendancy you were pretty never using necro exepect for minion, but minions build gives you the illusion to be more flexible, but in the end its only one specialisation
same for totem generaly you go for hyero, want aura bot you go for guardian and so
twin rampart
nah trickster and sabo never had issues with dying
only assasin did
assassin had 0 defensive mechanics
well, let me rephrase that, 0 useful defensive mechanics
fair prairie
others are slightly more flexible then just mines or traps. Necromancer buffs many affect other allies so could be used for aurabots. many of the duelests ascendancies accomadate a wide range of either archery or melee hits. Every ascendancy is specialized i get that, but saboteur seems over the top specialized
twin rampart
Jugg can be everything
^_^
Jugg summoner? Jugg melee? Jugg ranged? Jugg Caster?
Everything
The joys of strong defensive mechanics
kindred dagger
Yeah i give you that seems you cant take sabo if you dont comit into trap or mine but, i dont see this as a problem anyway you have so many thing to play in the game whats wrong with specialisation
fair prairie
Makes Sabotaur feel more like a large notable circle then an ascendancy
kindred dagger
btw maybe with some of those node you could mine or trap as buff or effect trigger and maybe go on other build who knows, i never looked much into shadow
tidal frost
only really usable on a big boss; but you could
certainly wont be esports
138% incraesed dmg taken if you dump 23 whatever it was mines under a big fatty boss .
kindred dagger
Again i dont see it as a problem shadow had is shining time, even actualy he got some flexible ascendancy with trickster or assassin, you dont play an ascendancy you play the game and chose whatever you find interesting. But i get the feeling, especialy in a game like poe where the purpose is to have a lot of possibilitie maybe sabo could benefit from more intereaction
deep wave
We can discuss the JSON leaks here right?
static token
That's why they changed the name I would imagine.
static token
Increases and reduction to ES apply to spell damage., not sure what flask has to do with that.
deep wave
- i mean hardened
clear adder
What seems to be the general consensus on mines and sabo?
deep wave
kinda hard to keep life below max
eager terrace
hybrid flasks won't work for that I don't think
deep wave
Also is the reason tranquility is far away because it is one of the "secret" notables?
eager terrace
yeah that looks like an anointed oil notable
static token
Blood of the Karui maybe? Not sure how that effect works exactly.
deep wave
cool...we get to know how they work
static token
In general seems like there are less clunky ways of getting Fortify.
eager terrace
changes I think mostly
stone belfry
yep raiders buffs are garbage
honestly they could have kept ANOTHER frenzy charge on avatar of the slaughter
and another 40% increased ele on avatar of the veil
fluid moat
damn, 30% onslaught effect bonus, not mentionned on the leaks
for the raider
it's pretty good
the old duration was useless
clear adder
Raider buffs don't really seem garbage...
static token
Raider seems fine. It is what they said it would be.
vast berry
hm
im seeing running veil and chase
atziri step
get 95% evade, 75% attack dodge, and something like 55 spell dodge
fluid moat
IMO, the best is 4 onslaught, 2 frenzy 2 phasing
getting to veil is not really worth it, getting the free frenzy generation and the bonus charge is very, very strong
however, avatar of the slaughter is garbage now
vast berry
72% evasion rating, 72% attack damage, 27% movement speed, 27% attack speed
vast berry
well i would hope
static token
People need to calm down with the everything is garbage.
fluid moat
getting increased from a 4 pts nodes
vast berry
it was still strong before and now its seriously good
fluid moat
i'm happy with the changes
but avatar of slaughter is just bad. It wasn't great before, but you couldn't pass up on the + charge
now you can
clear adder
Every node can't be Bone Barrier 😉
fluid moat
increased
vast berry
and maybe if your tree is light on % damage and % AS its good
but i think i am converting to the side of ignoring it
at first i was totally down for 8% evasion
static token
Increased is FINE, most things are increased. Not EVERYTHING needs to be a more multiplier.
vast berry
would be a insta-pick if playing qotf tho
fluid moat
you don't put increased on a 4pts node
static token
Yes, yes you do.
fluid moat
Ricochet "you do 20% increased damage per remaining chain"
wut wut
assassin "you do 80% increased poison damage on critical strike"
fluid moat
that sounds great
vast berry
but this is pretty darn good
idle bobcat
Not sure if this comes under leaks or not but has there been any word of elementalist getting any changes?
clear adder
none
fluid moat
The problem
idle bobcat
Ah ok. Thanks!
fluid moat
is how taking quartz infusion allows you for 14% movement speed (it enable freedom of movement)
making avatar of the slaughter not very strong for movement speed as well
static token
And slaughter gives you more than just the movement speed.
fluid moat
and quartz infusion + freedom of movement is 15% dodge chance
vast berry
this is a tough one man
fluid moat
Not for me
vast berry
slaughter means tailoring the build a bit more but it can be meme if you arent running the taming or soemthing
static token
You don't need Quartz to benefit from Freedom of Movement though. You can just as easily still take Slaughter and get freedom.
vast berry
230% increased onslaught effect
fluid moat
Freedom of movement without quartz infusion can work in clearing
but not against bosses
and then you lose the dodge chance
or you need quartz flask all the time
static token
Phase run still works on boss fights.
vast berry
importnat to consider
if running slaughter
gonna have darkray
which is 45% movespeed and 18 atack dodge
rose pasture
Deadeye not touched too?
No leaks about?
wary stratus
why would they change Deadeye, it's already good
Deadeye is good enough that people play it as spellcasters despite having to take a useless ascendancy node, lol
static token
They already said there would only be the 3 classes getting either reworks or stat buffs.
An Occultist/Elementalist pass would have been nice. But they only have so much time per update.
wary stratus
you might be misinterpreting something they posted, because they definitely modified 4 ascendancies already
assassin saboteur necromancer raider
rose pasture
I wish deadeye to get +2 to proj gems as necro does..
So can play it without needing to borrow couple of mirrors in
kindred dagger
those rider buff seems quite nice
violet nymph
deadeye doesnt need changes why make tornado shot even stronger when its already a whole map clearer + off map with one shot if anything they need to nerf the off map kills
static token
That's a TS problem, not a Deadeye problem.
twin rampart
what
deadeye is already strong by virtue of tailwhind
tailwhind alone is already worth multiple ascendancy points
*wind
sorry I' mdrunk
ionic yew
I see
twin rampart
ur high if u think deadeye needs changes lol
it has damage galore when it comes to attack based projectiles and it is insanely fast
and doesn't need great gear to really get going unlike pathfinder bow chars
tidal frost
20% action speed props deadeye up pretty good.
lucid stone
I almost thought raider got action speed per frenzy for a second
proven wadi
i thought it was 10% action speed
midnight phoenix
10 scaling to 20
tidal frost
10% doubles if you did 10 skills in the last 4 seconds
lucid stone
I dont think its 10 skills in the past 4 seconds
I think each skill use has its own 4 second timer
midnight phoenix
U think wrong sir
hollow talon
More than I've made lol
sly tusk
Do we need to break out the tarke seagull for you guys not understanding how amazing tailwind is?
silver kettle
yeah, but if it's already something they want to do I feel like that means there's a decent likelihood of it happening in the next year
clear adder
That is true, and it does give me hope
vast gazelle
did we get a coherent posting/leak of the assassin changes
clear adder
Especially since I'm fairly sure that Scion lost their spot as aurabot with those crazy necromancer changes
vast gazelle
or no
clear adder
:p
Assassin should be properly revealed tomorrow going by how they did raider and sabo today
I'm thinking assassin reveal along with the other poison gems
vast gazelle
mm
clear adder
Was the assassin image coherent enough? If not I don't have anything more clear
vast gazelle
👍
probably gonna roll a poison assassin of some kind
with it getting access to some tasty thicc defense options
clear adder
Yeah it is pretty nice
Personally I'm probably going to abuse like level 92 spectres
vast gazelle
summoner is the main competition at this point
with the raider changes letting me down xD
i like that spectres are getting that qol
of not having to go through hoops to get proper level
soulwrest is appealing too
but the fact that the poison nodes make up for not getting the power charge nodes
(or you stack both for that +4% base crit )
vast gazelle
im putting money on the new skill being broken
like it has been for gods know how many leagues
if not, some good ol' viper strike with wasps nest punchy
or maybe poison BF 🤔
the other option is just vanilla crit brand assassin
clear adder
I might do some crazy poison cold build with the new ring
vast gazelle
oh right thats a thing
yet another reminder that i am a pleb at figuring out interactions lol
radiant pelican
that saboteur rework is absolutely horrendous
grizzled moth
I was going to use the new ring for a poison cold build but I ended up getting too close to 100% poison chance with 90% effective crit chance (not been able to update for 3.8 in PoB but should still be close) and so the ring worked out to be weaker than the other stuff that I found because I couldn’t use all of the stats (as I am already freezing 90% of the time so enemies are being chilled already / chance to poison is wasted over 100%)
proven wadi
can you even call the sabo changes a rework
its mostly the same isnt it
proven wadi
iirc they halved his life sustain?
radiant pelican
and that too
but
they made one node useless
you now need to choose whether you use hypothermia and get the explosives expert node
or you still use ele focus and ignore that node
proven wadi
oh right that weird elemental ailment stuff
hasty knoll
Raider update thoughts
proven wadi
onslaught path lame
twin rampart
dunno
I just want poison to be great again
which it shall
time to kill bosses with garbage gear once again
nova fern
Raider looks like it would be good for flicker strike ? Asking cuase im not certain any more,lol
light hatch
Yep always has been, slightly stronger now
dusty cove
tempted to play raider with avatar of the veil, with two points in each of the arms
static token
I can see Avatar of chase and then the other two 2 point nodes. Veil just seems kinda ehh.
runic fractal
"bla bla" ggg made a change to their alpha site, that allowed banned users to login, so a banned user got access to the tree, and leaked it.
According to Jonathan on Baeclast
wet plaza
He did it for us 
static token
Honestly the leak was a bit of a drag for me. Made the week more boring without any info to look forward to.
Ya, just not much else going on that I'm interested in. Two weeks till Borderlands, no interest in WoW classic.
Tried Pagan online, lasted like 10 minutes.
light hatch
Veil used to be like the only source of elemental immunity
Ailment*
People used to do raider Avatar of the veil ci builds
static token
Most of the leaks have already been released normally by GGG by now, but you can still find them in the compiled info thread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ct8a43/patch_38_blight_league_compiled_information_thread/
flat flare
thorny dirge
fleet garden
wild arch
Had the idea of perfect agony ignite inquisitor 
patent canyon
dots dont benefit from ignore ele res
proper hatch
Won't it affect the hit that gives the base damage for the ignite?
wary stratus
modifiers to hits and modifiers to ailments are separate
penetration is a modifier that only affects hits
also just to clarify when people talk about "base damage" regarding ailments like ignite, that literally just means the damage on the skill gem, plus any added damage
nothing else
proper hatch
Ah okay, thanks
cedar umbra
patent canyon
deadeye and pathfinder is still faster 🙄
native osprey
but tarkeeeeee
violet nymph
@patent canyon whats the man child saying ?
actually hes too young to be a man so just child
patent canyon
BuT TaRkE RaIDeR Is FaStEr, BlEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGh
regal pagoda
why is this place nsfw tho 
static token
Everything is more fun that way.
wind copper
curse words aren't nsfw... at least where I work ;-P
wind copper
Also NSFW in this discord means porn and tits pictures and stuff
regal pagoda
oh my
midnight kraken
Necro porn?
velvet palm
so it's fine if I accidentaly post porn on this channel? Finally, I have found my home
vast berry
that tarke thing doesnt even make sense
20% more movespent speed leading to 274
means his base was 228.33
if you go chase and veil, that is 26+18, which gets you 272.333, which is slightly slower. I would argue easier to sustain but thats whatever
if you go with slaughter, its more. and then its more with the tree node, and more with darkray
the slaughter node itself gives 27 usually
static token
It's not something to be applied universally. I think he did that back when that rework was first leaked. For his specific build with his planned gear it was going to be faster.
vast berry
probably wasnt frenzy stacking then 😛
its whatever
but now people will use that
as gospel
static token
I try not to concern myself with the actions of stupid people.
vast berry
it is still pretty dumb its so close
tailwind op
but i mean, for TS deadeye will always be better. I think that is what people are thinking when they look at raider and say "meh"
static token
I've never actually played Deadeye. As I haven't played a bow build since before ascendancies were added to the game. I suppose I should have played Scourge arrow by now, but never got around to it.
midnight kraken
The only times I used a bow is like 2-3 times for leveling 2-12 lvl or something like that, and in battle royale mode, because hell ranger was op
vast berry
lmao
ye i never used a bow until this past league
was ts deadeye and i mean
its strong
but not realy my style
vast berry
i prefer sharp metal edges on the cold side
midnight kraken
Blight in 3 words: Pokemon Tower Defense
vast berry
i think i am actually going to make winter orb totems for blight mechanic farming
midnight kraken
Well
My brother's first thought after learning that next league will be TD: Imagine farming toxic sewers
Since lol monsters will have at max 2 ways of reaching the core
maybe 4 if the centre is in the room with 4 exits
Imagine placing 1 totem at each of the exit
and toxic t10 next league, so it's decent to have fun there
Can make t15 for fun 😄
wind copper
Except it may limit the total rewards of the TD, because it prolly needs more branches, and can't find the spawn space
slender temple
midnight kraken
Are totems immune to curses?
midnight kraken
No
I think its totems special passive that they are immune
I think your zombies can still be cursed
runic fractal
I don't think so
midnight kraken
Well I've found info that basicly every hostile totem is immune
Wait
Wait a minute
Holy flame totem creates a consecrated ground, which also grants curse immunity to you and allies
So
If you're not rich enough for shield
you run 1l holy flame totem and summon it sometimes if you're using soul mantle
Cool
midnight kraken
But
The map mod says "Players are cursed by XXXXXXXXX curse"
Not every player's ally
only players
"Players are Cursed with ..."
runic fractal
Where can you find mosnters that curse?
wet plaza
prison tilesets
runic fractal
lower prison?
runic fractal
Ok, monsters that can curse, can curse zombies
runic fractal
Decoy doesn't get cursed
wet plaza
totems dont get cursed*
midnight kraken
Enemy monster that casts curses: CURSE YOU
Spell totem linked to curse: no u
runic fractal
I'm so disappointed to learn, that instead of 1 of each master, we're now only getting 2 dailies total.
I mean, i know it's twice a day, but... what
runic fractal
I know, but i really hoped we would get one of each twice a day.
Wait, it's actually only 2 on the entire day -_-
kindred dagger
They said only like hard mapper would may feel a difference a bit lower in master encounter overall it would be the same so its just better as you dont have to immediatly do the master quest
static token
Better than spawning in a map I don't have or don't want to run.
And that's just two free, you still earn them by mapping. So until we see how frequently they seem to pop hard to say.
runic fractal
I mean, sure. But i were just expecting at least one of each type as normal 😄
zinc hinge
how do you earn them in maps to bank? i don't really understand have you go from an encounter to banking unless they make the others stand around like alva and zana
runic fractal
If a master spawns, it has a chance to spawn in the bank instead
zinc hinge
so its only a chance? does that mean they still appear as normal? if si itts nearly pointless
wild arch
Did they say that they might remove desecrate's cooldown or am I imagining things?
patent canyon
yup
wild arch
Well then
runic fractal
Oh, that's why i haven't heard of it 😄
wild arch
If that happens then I guess meat grinder is coming back with a vengeance
runic fractal
Opens up some good options for corpse builds.
fleet garden
do we know when pob tree is updated ?
wet plaza
no it happens whenever there is time for openarl to do it
fleet garden
Okay ;p
runic fractal
Thursday at the earliest.
hard pasture
was the assassin rework leaked?
runic fractal
Yes
fleet garden
@hard pasture https://imgur.com/a/dPfphUu
eternal laurel
I was expecting assassin to change a lot but it seems v similar?
hard pasture
thx
proven wadi
Only the necro changes are a rework, everything else is an adjustment imo
runic fractal
Does anyone know if you can Anoint over an already anointed amulet?
low kindle
yes
kindred dagger
That would be dumb if you anoint one time, anoint is block on the item then
runic fractal
I like this system of crafting, where it's not based on RNG, so you can actually want it on items you want.
Why Ild? Anointing, in my point of view, is no different than enchanting helm/boot/gloves
kindred dagger
we'll have to do plenty of test first there is 355 keystone and around 1500 combination possible
runic fractal
No
There's 365, i think it was, possible combinations
And there's gonna be implemented new notables, which should cap out at that number, with the hidden ones
kindred dagger
No what ?
runic fractal
There's not 1500 combinations
kindred dagger
there is 12 oils where you can combine 3 even if you cant use one oil 2 time in a recipe its still a lot of combination
So we'll have to wait someone gather them
runic fractal
Yes, 365
Someone has said you can see the oil combinations on the passive tree. So we'll see
kindred dagger
originaly 12 componant with 3 slot recipe its something aroun 1745 combination but seems there will be limit ti some recipe so that remove quite some possibility but there will still have more recipe than keystone so probably some will give the same result
lol keystone allready shown recipe, since when GGG is so kind
runic fractal
Notables, not keystones ^_^ And we'll see
kindred dagger
i see nothing to say so playing with word
runic fractal
No i'm not?
It's confirmed there's a specific number of combination rewards.
fluid moat
It's probably not 1745. I doubt that the order matter
ABC will probably give the same result than CAB or BCA
So I would say 288 possibilities
wind copper
Order definitely does NOT matter
fluid moat
so 288^^
wind copper
Yes
languid path
364 actually, counting repetition
runic fractal
Ah, it was 364 😄
wind copper
I also just verified 364
quiet geyser
do you think new assasin might be better then sabo for traps?
wind copper
Prolly should ask that over in the #1┃general channel
quiet geyser
hm okay thx
wind copper
tidal ruin
runic fractal
It's scion
kindred dagger
A real question, with the mod return projectiles ! Doesn kynetix blast work with it ? Like KB hit something and it explode so wont the projectile at the end will return and then explode again ? Im thinking it could work but not sure KB is a bit weird, not sure if its a ending projectiles or just a passing throu projectile, the skill feels like a little bit of both
tidal frost
KB makes explodies everytime it touches a mob; it would work with return.
lucid stone
It's an attack projectile, so yes.
lucid stone
It is an attack.
torn orbit
Am I blind or do the leaks not include a nerf to scion sab?
lucid stone
The leaks were not every change.
torn orbit
idk man they included the change to scion ass
torn orbit
Doubt they'd miss sab but not assassin
lucid stone
Then scion is a better miner than sabo, at least defensively.
tidal frost
gotta make all the builds
lucid stone
Chieftain miner might actually be good.
Just get clever construction anointed on an amulet
torn orbit
Destructive apparatus anointed is gonna be so expensive
lucid stone
might
clear adder
That node is very weirdly worded
lucid stone
UTMOST MIGHT
torn orbit
Also I just realized that if I play inq miner then I'm not gonna have clever construction until like level 70
lucid stone
10% reduced damage taken with mines sounds nice. ^^
torn orbit
How bad is it to be missing clever construction?
lucid stone
Well, I don't know how bad it is with new mines
tidal frost
not really
lucid stone
Without clever construction, you're unable to do anything against Ephij.
The lightning beyond guy
torn orbit
Yeah I'll be 70 by the time I'm fighting beyond I think
lucid stone
And any AoE attacks will destroy your traps/mines.
It's better than it used to be if you detonate them as soon as they land.
tidal frost
traps cant be destroyed until after they arm; idk how new mines will work
torn orbit
I think we can detonate in flight now or something like that
Doubt it'll be a serious problem
This is only while leveling anyway
lucid stone
Then you just need the node if you plan on frontloading or setting up chains
tidal frost
you might lose some mines; but you wont be bricked form killing a boss without CC
lucid stone
If you're detonating as you throw them (and losing out on cascade bonuses) you probably won't need it.
tidal frost
you get all the OP staff crit nodes
torn orbit
You know what would be rad
Varunastra but 2h
Just take the entire left side of the tree
Staff nodes with an actual usable weapon
lucid stone
Just give me a rake that counts as both a staff and dual wield claws.
Or a staff that counts as both a wand and a staff.
tidal frost
that wand staff would need like 12 base dmg
lucid stone
That's fine.
Wonder how it would work with ele hit though.
Maybe both would happen at once.
midnight kraken
I want spectral shield throw to return to me
hollow mason
gimme ass leak like a man or die like a creep :-3
@midnight kraken this skill called Spectral throw 😄
tidal frost
just go catch it
fluid moat
Varunastra is affordable, these days?
runic fractal
Yeah
fluid moat
Maybe I would like to try a bleed build with it, lacerate and new daggers/claws supports
like nightblade
kindred dagger
the varunastra itself isnt much expensive, especialy as its just a 1H you dont have to add the dumb 6L price, but i couldnt say about the over price of the build needed to make it work
hollow mason
varunastra lost a lot nodes
grizzled moth
wait, so varunastra can use the new pestilent strike skill as well as scale aoe, axe dmg, mace dmg, sword dmg, etc. because is has the "Counts as all One Handed Melee Weapon Types" line?
runic fractal
yes
past mason
Did anyone catch the changing "socketed" to "all" on a number of uniques?
wind copper
Yes
past mason
so technically that means that a unique set of gloves can boot any chaos gem in socketed in any other gear slot
so if you have an essence worm
you could super boost it
past mason
well if you have a chaos aura gem and you have + 2 to all chaos gem equipment then it would boost the ess worm
silver kettle
Sure
past mason
super rad
hot flax
Any leaks about possible changes to TS deadeye?
fluid sundial
dont think so
runic fractal
Necro - Assassin - Sabo - Raider, seems to be the only ascendancies changed.
hot flax
Oh right, cool. Thanks!
tidal frost
I recall a nerf to pic to 7.5
runic fractal
Oh, yeah that's right
proven wadi
Is that the same as rigwalds curse amount
fluid sundial
thats 7%
clear adder
overwhelm is 7.5% base crit now, which is practically nothing
Barely a nerf to a nutty node
spare talon
was thinking if people actually talk here about the leaks 😄
cant find those 13 secret passives on reddit, anyone of you have it maybe?
wind copper
Was pretty funny yeah
low knot
are there any impale or aptchnotes leaks or do we need to wait until the patchnotes are out to know if impale is ahrd enrfed?
fluid sundial
no changes to impale on the leaks iirc
also dont think they'll touch it to be honest
clear adder
Do we have patch notes leak..? Because that is really the only place we would see it unless they changed nodes
fluid sundial
no, only the tree changes were leaked really
low knot
patchnotes comes 3 days before the release?
silver kettle
Yep @low knot
low knot
so in 2 days then?
silver kettle
Yep
low knot
if they don't change impale then slayer impale cyclone should be a safe bet?
silver kettle
Definitely. Although with the AoE changes on Cyclone I'd really suggest you go Berserker over Slayer now
low knot
can ya explain it why? i don't have that much knowledge about it
silver kettle
Not that Slayer will be bad, but it doesn't give enough AoE to justify anymore IMO
low knot
i prefered slayer more for the 20% isntant kill^^
silver kettle
Well that's essentially just extra damage right
And Berserker is pretty much nothing but damage
radiant lance
Zerker also has the awesome speed stuff if you like to be a speedy boi
I think zerk may be the best overall melee ascendancy right now as far as feel goes (imo)
Unless you wanna be a super tank
velvet violet
so is cyclone berserker going to be super faceroll for league content again this league?
dusky sparrow
so have they only added and / or did they change the current minion passive
lucid stone
Where's Blast Cascade now? :/
It's replaced with a minion wheel on the leaked tree
My guess is it's that new mine wheel by Ghost Reaver
high oak
2 nodes on the right there's blast cascade, near ghost reaver oops
dusky sparrow
is there a full tree leak or just caps of the tree
dusky sparrow
kk
lucid stone
Seems there's a new mana wheel by witch jewel slot
There's also a mine wheel by the brand wheel
And another mine wheel by ghost reaver
Alchemist looks like it's moved.
dusky sparrow
i wonder if those new item given notables will always show on the tree and if you will be able to use that leap jewl to get them
lucid stone
Moved to MoM?
If you can use intuitive leap to allocate them after you unlock them, then it's gonna be unnatural instinct prices
dusky sparrow
lucid stone
Is the DoT wheel changed to DoT and power charges?
And there's some sort of fire looking node by the es recharge cluster by EB
dusky sparrow
like on this one it is close enough and showing too the slot near eldritch battery
lucid stone
Wait where'd Pain Attunement go?
Flask cluster by MoM is the new mana flask one
WHERE DID ALCHEMIST GO
languid path
PA is further down
lucid stone
WHERES THE FLASK EFFECT
Must be. I don't see any connection on the lower left of the node that it's usually on.
high oak
where's the flask effect is the good question ^^
lucid stone
Maybe they moved the flask effect to ranger.
lucid stone
Or deleted it. owo
fluid moat
Damn
high oak
near the es recharge it's : searing heat
fluid moat
My perfect plan for raider start was ruined
I forgot that Phasing has a real shitty effect
And I really can't bear playing that
Does all phasing effect grant this ghosty appearance, or only the raider?
for instance, if you get phasing from Freedom of Movement?
silver kettle
All phasing does
fluid moat
or quartz flask?
lucid stone
I think all phasing makes you that glowy ghosty color
fluid moat
zzz
lucid stone
I think phase run phasing is slightly darker
languid path
phasing looks neat on certain mtx combination tho
wings and trailing effect especially
lucid stone
Wasn't there that obnoxious glimmerwood phasing effect
silver kettle
That's just for phase run
high oak
the phasing if affected by haste watcher's eye open a totally new way to think about mtx ^^
tepid fossil
i would guess 5 but we don't know
lucid stone
If I can cap wither stacks with it, I might consider going chaos.
fluid moat
how many stacks is only a part of the relevant information
how long is the second half
lucid stone
A vaal timeless seems better to me, at least if you're hitting quickly.
tepid fossil
I just wish new minnion base weapons weren't only wands D:
tepid fossil
can't mix with severed in sleep
silver kettle
Wither stacks are usually 2s aren't they
silver kettle
Yeah
lucid stone
I think the idea is that you poison enemies and then use withering step
languid path
how about instant max wither stack with withering step 
lucid stone
And move to the next pack
I'm guessing it gives 10 at level 20, and has a helm enchant that gives +5 stacks.
fluid sundial
if its max, it would be pretty fucking convenient for bosses, but prolly too OP
lucid stone
I wonder if we're getting any threshold jewels~
fluid sundial
they might just include the helm enchants in a later patch again
which would be a bummer
fluid moat
Seriously, wtf phasing 😦
vestal escarp
What the fuck is tenacity, holy shit.
fair prairie
wow do want tenacity
quiet geyser
someone has a link to the leaked nodes?
kindred dagger
cool notable
midnight kraken
Tenacity pog
30% attack damage
no wait it's 30% of max hp
Claiming that every build has at least 150% max hp
fair prairie
30% of increases and reductions to max life
vestal escarp
5% life and on average 45-70% atk damage is good
fair prairie
I just like the idea that getting a life node doesn't have to mean getting a damage reduction, and also wouldn't that convert all flat life to flat damage?
languid path
flat is not increase/reduction
fair prairie
ah guess I was confused because getting life increases your life.
midnight kraken
Think about it like increase/reduction is %, added/removed(or something like that) is flat
fair prairie
yeah I get it keywords. I was just being dumb brained and looking at it as literal increases
fair prairie
dreams crushed
midnight kraken
Legacy kaom +1000hp, +300 attack dmg
midnight phoenix
Galaxy brain
fair prairie
happens a lot I tend to take things in the literal sense. I keep forgetting to look at keywords instead of using what the word literally means
I mean I figure it out in game once I notice i'm not getting the gains I should lol
Yeah I was just thinking damn with all those flat damage increases, and how cyclone works now with its range. maybe I should just roll a unarmed cyclone
and stack the crap out of life lol
but I was instantly corrected and that dream ball got spiked in my face
midnight kraken
Guys
Can someone please replace the bird standing on 40 challenge reward trophy into le toucan?
kindred dagger
exept having a portal mtx which is cool a bit disapointed by rewards
you dont realy feel rewarded
especialy for all the hard work and time you spent into it
twin rampart
i like how
wild arch
I want to see that helmet on templar
twin rampart
ggg's solution to the dot problem
is to literally just add a fuck load of more multipliers on the tree
that originally existed in the first place from double dipping
wild arch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tidal frost
its not exactly the same thing.
twin rampart
it's pretty close
maybe not as efficient as double dipping
but look at the pathing on the leaked trees
if you were playing double dipping you were taking all the nodes regardless
fluid moat
For bleed, it's a up, but not that huge a up
twin rampart
fire got massive multipliers
fluid moat
you mostly gain bleed duration, not damage
wild arch
There's a couple of faster bleed nodes
twin rampart
i thought bleed got dot multipliers too
and faster bleed nodes
bleed was already borderline not awful
wild arch
Which make it much more efficient against trash
fluid moat
Bleed went from "your bleed deals damage 15% faster" to "10% bleed multiplier"
wild arch
Which is exactly what it was lacking
fluid moat
you don't get more damage, but bleeed last longer with mutiplier
twin rampart
uh
it says faster bleeds + multiplier
unless i'm wrong and looking at the wrong tree
fluid moat
for instance
twin rampart
red storm/bloodletting still have the faster bleeds + dot multi on it
fluid moat
bloodletting does, but it's only 8% dot multi and it lost increased damage
twin rampart
pretty sure the multiplier is better than the faster bleeds
tidal frost
they both are. amazing
twin rampart
that's what i thought
tidal frost
for that one node in a vaccume, yes
fluid moat
huh, no
tidal frost
its certianly not there
dense sentinel
Jesus christ
fluid moat
i can get 56% including the node which gives node multi on crit, on the shadow area via anoitment
that's 36% without it
tidal frost
probably somewhere else
fluid moat
and you can get 45% faster bleed quite easily right now
twin rampart
i dunno, i seriously doubt they would hamstring bleed when it's pretty much bad right now
tidal frost
2 multis interact better than 1 multi twice as strong
fluid moat
I can theorically hit 7M dps right now (if everything is right, which will not be the case)
twin rampart
i had a theoritical case of hitting 10 mill with a god tier puncture bow
it never happened
fluid moat
puncture is shit due to the low attack speed
twin rampart
gladiator charges gets you pretty high
twin rampart
shrug you attack fast enough
fluid moat
more attack speed =more bleed dps
twin rampart
that's only if you're assuming if you can maintain max crimson dance stacks all the time
which isn't necessarily true
fluid moat
i don't think i will actually hit 7M dps
twin rampart
at least for the stuff that theoritical dps actually matters
fluid moat
but 3m is reasonnable enough
dense sentinel
So... alchemist gone. New minion wheel thats ok is on the way to EB which costs 3 pathing points... and they added an extra pathing point on the way to death attunement lmfao
fluid moat
no, the bleed weapon is made
fluid moat
twin rampart
let that fire dot multi work with RF
quiet geyser
i dont find alink in it
twin rampart
I might be able to play HC assassin
quiet geyser
yes but i am stupid and dont know how to use reddit, wich comment contains the skill tree data?
twin rampart
quiet geyser
can you just tell me were i can get the skill tree data from?
lucid stone
I dont think we have access to the full tree. Just screenshots.
kindred dagger
The blight league better be good when people will actually put their hand on it because for now a lot of things are pretty disapointeing a lot of player and its not the challenge rewards that make it better.
Everytime they try and add some interesting things but nerf and do so weird chance in the same time that you cant stop thinking they are just trolling and shit on comunity like... every compagnie... but compagnie especialy like poe really forget that their game is really hugely based on comunity and only this make it lively
vast berry
?
wild arch
Ok so assuming that they actually do remove desecrate's cooldown, I've come up with a dumb gimmick build for necromancer that's capable of consistent 768% or more attack/cast speed at all times
Plus it's practically immortal
kindred dagger
It allready existed before when it was the case
you can have auto cast self harm for it so that regen your ES constantly and give bonus damage
wild arch
Helmet enchat won't do anything
lucid stone
Oh right spell cascade gives 15
native sonnet
hope they remove/increase the cap too
lucid stone
What if they make an mtx for offerings that is less "BOOM BOOM BOOM"
kindred dagger
That allready exist as well
wild arch
You can take this a step further by using howa
kindred dagger
But dont expect too much change for offering skill as it allready have a +25 buff on the ascendacy
wild arch
All that speed + flat damage is a recipe for disaster
lucid stone
Use it with soulthirst
wild arch
No point
That's way too overkill
And you're gimping yourself
The whole purpose of this theorycraft was to have a 'decently stacked budget soul eater' for bossing
The problem here is that you need to sacrifice a 5 link for a cwdt setup
timid geyser
heartbound loop or schold's?
teal axle
sounds memey and fun to me
wild arch
Initial idea was scold
There's also the option of going for eye of innocence if you can manage to get 100% ignite going
Hiltless might also work but it's not exactly the best weapon
teal axle
if you get it closer to functional, I'd love to see a PoB of it if you didn't mind sharing
I love anything that uses trigger loops
ever since eye of innocence was made I've played like a half dozen different cast on ignites
wild arch
I really want to do this build at some point but it definitely doesn't sound like a good starter
teal axle
I was either going to do whatever viper's phys zombie skele build is once he updates his guide
because it'll be stupid easy to gear
or I'll do FP totems
I want something I know scales and can do well because Im in a tough semester of law school right now, rerolling will be a non option
clear adder
FP Totems are always good
teal axle
yeah, its just with the updates, aggressive skeletons and zombies sounds great
clear adder
Stupid easy to gear
wild arch
Hmmmm
teal axle
both have high ceilings as well
clear adder
I am between the "big dps spectres" guide and just doing FP or DI totems
wild arch
I wonder if it's possible to make a dual totem setup
clear adder
Though DI totems lost some luster because Mathil brought them into the limelight
wild arch
Necromancer with a DD totem and an unearth/desecrate totem
clear adder
DI dps is much higher, but FP has better clear
wild arch
Infinitely escalating speed totems
teal axle
I couldnt tell because I couldnt do the headmath
on how quickly the DI released
because it was listed as a per use
teal axle
vs like 500-600 for fp
clear adder
Yeah
clear adder
FP has much better quality of life though
teal axle
just because its a defensive layer
clear adder
Like DI you have to constantly set and wait a bit for it to fire
teal axle
if it has to cast 1 or 2 more times per pack I prefer that over dying
clear adder
FP you don't have to cast as often
spice cipher
Oh wait, can you do unearth totems?
clear adder
My other option is actually mines but using a detonate totem with them
teal axle
ye
Im just waiting for the smart people to make PoBs
I have a guide for FP totem
and its braindead easy to gear up
spice cipher
Yeah same Rex
clear adder
Yep
clear adder
Very clean leveling, and easy to gear
kindred dagger
totem are generaly easy
clear adder
Shouldn't be expensive this league at all, since more of the totem people are doing DI after Mathil
teal axle
I usually dont even shaper or guardians, just chill in early reds
teal axle
yeah
spice cipher
I’m prob gonna end up making 3 characters this league 
teal axle
its mostly just my own comfort with farming and how hard I go
I did the full atlas clear once
in betrayal
and it was ok, but its like, unless the build is that braindead strong
I'd rather just farm stuff and watch tv
lol
Quint did you have a FP pob/guide you enjoy @clear adder
teal axle
yeah the build I used to full clear was uh... not ice nova. vortex
when the cold dot changes happened
I tried to do it on soulwrest but betrayal encounters literally eviscerated the phantoms, so I had to switch
and then had like 8.5k ES, tons of defensive layers
and just ran around mashing vortex like a monkey, and sometimes cold snap on bosses or rares
clear adder
I usually follow http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2547296/page/1 @teal axle
kindred dagger
i'll probablt make like 5 to 7 chars but will probably have 3 mains, one starter and we'll how it goes with the new necro changes, i'll try a intense farming deadeye MF shit if i can have a good league start and make good investment for the league and especialy a build that can do EVERYTHING, i'll probably go for an HoA build, but im not sure which one !
I tried Block Glad HoA and it was nice and insanely safe, but seems there are other variatation that feels safe as well so not sure
teal axle
oh
yeah thats the one I was lookin at
I think I like it, I'd just be slightly worried about defensive layers
last league I played mjolnernaut and was... tanky as all hell but goddamn that build sucks now
kindred dagger
you just cant die with a glad