that could still happen, it's just that GGG are more rigidly defining what ascendancies do
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limpid wigeon
wary stratus
ascendancies were implemented because players didn't like the only difference between classes being where you started on the skill tree, it's too broad with zero direction for most people so they just say fuck it and play something else
limpid wigeon
for example, zerker used t obe the best caster
cedar pewter
Well, yeah. That's what I mean quorry
limpid wigeon
because of leech
cedar pewter
I'm saying that's a good thing
cedar pewter
Marauder was arguably one of the best casters for years lol
even before zerker was a thing
lament zodiac
@steel folio people don't like that summoners are now actually good... but only one one ascendancy but instead of asking why other ascendancies don't cater to minions (so people actually play them) they just want necromancer to be bad.
proven wadi
i think classes being vague would it less likely for players to roll new characters
eager terrace
what the fuck are you even talking about
past obsidian
GGG needs to fix mana regen by the way
Like mana regen on the passive tree is fucking garbage
lucid stone
I miss inquisitor's old regen
proven wadi
me too
limpid wigeon
psymple you cant be serious
past obsidian
Like seriously
I can spend 6 points on the tree for mana regen
But it still will not sustain my 6L mana cost
lucid stone
The flat mana regen is...weird.
lament zodiac
Clearly you need a Clarity Aura sir.
past obsidian
I am running clarity
proven wadi
like flat mana regen isn't even ascendency-worthy
lament zodiac
It was a joke :/
past obsidian
You need clarity on top of other mana regen gear, like minimum 2
proven wadi
wtf ggg give me back my indigon inquisitor
lucid stone
Ironically, vitality would be better if it was flat and clarity would be better if it was percent.
cedar pewter
I'm fairly sure, once all this has panned out, the skele summoner at least will be weaker
limpid wigeon
why do you say that
lament zodiac
Vitality... thats a Righteous Fire specific thing right?
lucid stone
Oh, there's no skele hits can't be evaded anymore?
past obsidian
@lament zodiac I'm just so annoyed mana regen is so weak
cedar pewter
100% accuracy is amazing
lucid stone
Champ summoner might come back.
cedar pewter
Losing that is massive
eager terrace
do we know if skeletons will even use accuracy
restive wren
just go champion with skeletons
lucid stone
Champ is a pretty good pure phys summoner, right?
past obsidian
6 points spent on mana regen should sustain my spell cast cost with maybe 1 ring for mana regen
cedar pewter
Champ summoner has SO much traveling
lucid stone
Timeless Jewels are supposed to be for that.
lament zodiac
Is champ summoner even good?
limpid wigeon
i mean 6 points spent for mana regen should more than sustain you completely
unreal star
it's definitely not worth changing your ascendancy to fix your accuracy
lucid stone
But gl finding a good one
cedar pewter
'bout +15 points
lament zodiac
I tried impale/pride on my zombies/skeles and it just seemed bad compared to hatred
cedar pewter
It used to be myle
past obsidian
@lament zodiac It was back when accuracy for minions was near impossible to get
unreal star
thought we were talking about now
lucid stone
I think they're gonna make precision crit only work with attacks
cedar pewter
Precision, spiritual command, spiritual aid
also accuracy used to be the thing you stuck into SRS
lol
it was almost always your best 4th link
steel folio
each class is desinged to do a handful of things really well and the way ggg designs gems now is by "archtypes" and the way they enforce those is by making utility gems that have extra synergy with specific ascendancies see HoAG / elusive. they also want to enforce this by making classes that can only do one thing well REALLY FUCKING GOOD AT IT such as sab necro and hierophant
lucid stone
It's a free power charge if you have an open green slot on a spell build
past obsidian
The new sabo is like eh lol
lucid stone
^
lucid stone
It's good, but nothing really sticks out to me.
100% increased aura effect of mines means lots of flat with pyroclast.
cedar pewter
I'm kinda starting to think this leak was intentional >.>
To deal with the backlash well ahead of time
lol
lucid stone
Also means stormblast mines now grant 138 increased damage taken
cedar pewter
Let this fizzle out
lament zodiac
Is anyone really angry though? honestly?
cedar pewter
There's been quite a bit of salt here
lucid stone
I'm not. I'm excited for new mines
eager terrace
it's pretty much never intentional
restive wren
@cedar pewter keep in mind there's bound to be other changes that makes these ones make more sense that we don't know yet because we got this info early
lucid stone
Although I might be a scion miner instead of a sabo miner.
lament zodiac
+2 gem is lazy but I bet 75% of the community don't make necormancers
wary stratus
someone somewhere is always angry
lucid stone
Depending on if scion gets anything good
lament zodiac
If +2 minion gem is as common as cyclone was
cedar pewter
I don't see +2 gems as being anymore lazy than -20% chaos & cold res
lament zodiac
I will eat my words
limpid wigeon
the entire top side of the tree is pretty fucked in my opinion
wary stratus
half the time I'm not really convinced the people angry at GGG even understand why they're angry, they're just venting
limpid wigeon
inclusing ascendancies
lament zodiac
@limpid wigeon now you are being obtuse
past obsidian
@cedar pewter I never liked the -20% to cold chaos
limpid wigeon
i mean think about it
cedar pewter
"Enemies take 16% more elemental damage
You take 8% less"
past obsidian
I think it's lazy
limpid wigeon
what ascendancies do you play if you're self cast?
past obsidian
But that's how it is
lament zodiac
the number of streamers who were going "OMFG THE BOTTOM OF THE TREE IS SO GOOD I NEVER WANT TO PATH AWAY FROM IT"
cedar pewter
"Crits ignore elemental res"
lament zodiac
last league was insane
lucid stone
I kinda like how the tree is right now.
restive wren
My guess is that extra levels on most minion gems is going to increase the minion cap.
cedar pewter
Not everyone has to be dripping with flavor
lucid stone
But I usually play spell builds.
limpid wigeon
trickster and inquis are the only real choices when it comes to selfcast builds right now
lucid stone
Is there any build that wants to go both top and bottom?
past obsidian
@restive wren I hope that the node never makes it to final
cedar pewter
There's a reason why, thematically, a lot of people's favorite ascendency is Chieftan
past obsidian
@limpid wigeon Didn't trickster get fucked hard again
wary stratus
bow totem builds want ancestral bond and point blank
lucid stone
Like, say, a scion that gets the channeling nodes at the bottom of the tree and the ones at the top of the tree?
limpid wigeon
wouldnt say hard
past obsidian
I mean if the leaks are an indicator
wary stratus
aka the misery of travelling across the entire tree
limpid wigeon
it got mildly fucked
lament zodiac
I want Ballistas to not be shit 😦
past obsidian
I guess if you're comparing it to the current one
eager terrace
trickster is still very good
past obsidian
Yeah
lucid stone
Ballistas should be able to be manually targetted imo
lament zodiac
but it was so funny
limpid wigeon
but still, thinking of how to build a selfcast build
i have very little options
while bow builds and melee builds are very diverse
past obsidian
Just go EB to solve any mana costs
lucid stone
Like if you attack one enemy, that all the ballistas will shoot at that location
past obsidian
Because ggg wants mana flasks to be relevant
cedar pewter
CI EB 
past obsidian
If mana flasks effects remained even at full mana
cedar pewter
Wanna fix your mana issues? reserve less mana lol
past obsidian
I will fucking use a mana flask
limpid wigeon
none of this really affects me because i almost exclusively play melee
past obsidian
@cedar pewter Ha no way
lucid stone
Soulthirst is op then
cedar pewter
If mana flask effects remained at full mana, you would have created the most overpowered item with no effort
lol
limpid wigeon
but it is sad that when i sometimes want to play good old bladefall im really struggling to find a good ascendancy
past obsidian
@cedar pewter Well then, I'm not using a mana flask
cedar pewter
HH dies overnight
lament zodiac
I feel like there aren't really any character that inscentivize NOT reserving mana
cedar pewter
and soulthirst becomes a 20ex belt :p
lucid stone
but he should get some nodes other than harness the void that are good for it
limpid wigeon
currently the best ascendancy for bladefall selfcast is actually chieftain
eager terrace
I don't reserve any mana in my totem builds
lament zodiac
other than MoM i suppose
limpid wigeon
in my opinion
cedar pewter
I've played a couple of Poet pens w/o reserving mana
but that's just 'cuz reserving mana hurts dps
I miss indigon...
cedar pewter
I mean, they already do
limpid wigeon
i would say yes but only some of them
cedar pewter
opportunity cost
lucid stone
Or is that keystone design space
lament zodiac
yes... not taking other ascentancies
eager terrace
I think it makes more sense for keystones
cedar pewter
I think if they're flavorful that'd be cool
eager terrace
which are accessible to everyone
lucid stone
Right now berserker has the only negative nodes, right?
past obsidian
Lol i'm so unimpressed by assassin rework
cedar pewter
but it's like Arcane Blessing is a downside
past obsidian
Like is this really a rework
restive wren
downsides should only be on 4-pointers
cedar pewter
like the node itself is just a downside lol
eager terrace
good ol' level 1 arcane surge
limpid wigeon
kind of if you dont count things like ngamahu fire conversion for chieftain if you're using starforge
cedar pewter
You can't use lv20 arcane surge because you're forever locked to lv 1...but you're immune to elemental debuffs!
can't imagine why nobody takes that node
restive wren
masterful form is a downside if you're using ahn's might
lament zodiac
Wednesday?
lucid stone
Because days off disappear. -w-
lament zodiac
Necro reveal is weekend ?
cedar pewter
WED: 3.8.0 Patch Notes + Passive Tree + Item Filter Info;
rose pasture
Might be also fake
lament zodiac
I wanna see them reveal everything else to be exactly as it was in the leak
and then a big ? over the +2 gem
for memes
lucid stone
Everyone being so mad about it means it's definitely gonna get harness the void'd
wary stratus
inb4 it's actually +5 minion gems and everyone is shoehorned into necromancer
lament zodiac
Inb4 its a +5 all gems
cedar pewter
lol
lucid stone
I'd guess they'l make it a +1 and add another line
wary stratus
"you'll play this damn ascendancy and you'll LIKE IT"
lament zodiac
+100% more damage for all skills per zombie
carmine fiber
this is still going on
lucid stone
Well that's literally a 'no one will play anything else'
lament zodiac
And still no one would use zombie gem outside of necro 😦
cedar pewter
Zombie gets used by guardians
livid apex
new scion ascendancy class
lucid stone
Scion might still be better for baron
wary stratus
I want the JSON tbh, looking at these images is irritating when I know it could be so much easier to browse
restive wren
+minion levels is a 4-pointer so you'd need cruel lab
lament zodiac
I wanna see what the nodes before +1 golem do
lucid stone
Introducing the counterpart to the Ascendant: The Degenerate!
rose pasture
Now thats escalated quickly 😆
steel folio
@limpid wigeon inquisitor, occultist, assasin, and trickster are all amazing for selfcast that's atleast 1 for every int class
restive wren
-1 level to all gems
lament zodiac
Don't worry next league you don't get to pick your ascendancy choices yourself
each lab actually rolls a random one
lucid stone
What upside would actually be worth -1 to gems though
sly tusk
Would be interesting for scion to have a +1 gem 2 pointer in their tree
Maybe a 3 pointer I guess so you would have to sacrifice a class choice
lucid stone
How different would scion be if you could choose two on the same branch?
Like assassin/trickster
For full cost ofc
lament zodiac
Elementalist/Necromancer woudl have been my jizz like 5 leagues ago
lucid stone
Like you gotta re-path through it.
eternal turtle
I really hope quartz from leaked raider gets buffer a bit
lament zodiac
+80 to an attribute might be crazy though if you can path through it twice
lucid stone
Or maybe 'path of the x' has a loopy connecting node that lets you go back to the mini ascendancy
restive wren
Or just make the ascendancy have 18 branches
eternal turtle
That might be interesting
lament zodiac
Legion jeweles work in your Ascendancy
eternal turtle
Lol you can get a ascendency or you can get a extra jewel socket
lament zodiac
Kappa
lucid stone
That would actually be thematic for Voll
restive wren
all ascendancy nodes are replaced with templar ones
lucid stone
-2 to gem levels, +1000 to devotion
restive wren
"100% reduced pants"
lament zodiac
Inquisitor ascendancy -2 all gem levels +10 to all physical+spell gems
lucid stone
Yellow gem sockets that reduce gem level
lament zodiac
Necromancer clearly should have had one of their ascendnacies be a gem slot
that becomes a global support gem
and everyone just puts empower/minion damage in it.
EZ +50% more dmg
Oh wait... they did 😮 😄
rugged locust
how come this channel turned nsfw? something got leaked? necro ascendancy?
lament zodiac
Yup
rugged locust
who leaked it?
rugged locust
figures
grave valve
@lucid stone why would they reduce gem level if yellow
clearly black is the superior choice for reduced gem level
rugged locust
bone barrier looks cool, unnatural strength looks like something I'd disagree with on an ascendancy
restive wren
already have black for abyssal jewel sockets
rugged locust
necro gets tons of resists now
grave valve
necro is like 60% resist if you specialize in it
also i wanna know what "level 1 bone armour" is
???
past obsidian
BOne armour gives your witch a boner that grows the more minions you have 
I'm so mature
languid path
past obsidian
This is bad and you should feel bad
rugged locust
can you cap resists naked as necro now?
mystic sparrow
Can't wait to use WOrb double-Unleash Ice Spear Trickster next league
that new unleash node looks amazing
notable*
rugged locust
ahhh they nerfed trickster defenses a bit
not a huge amount, and it probably did need a nerf
dim breach
Do you feel like assassin's passives will be juicy enough to make poison builds viable enough as starter ?
wary stratus
on their own, I doubt it -- but there are other poison buffs happening on the tree / gems / etc that will
vast berry
what was the +2 minion gem?
wary stratus
I'd expect closer to 30% since it's all minion gems, but yeah
wary stratus
it really isn't, people are just losing their minds over nothing
like a moderately powerful ascendancy node has never existed before in the history of poe or something lol
vast berry
👀
the raider changes are still what im hype for tbh
frost blades raider with the +1 strike target
wary stratus
that notable is pretty amazing
vast berry
but my god the power creep
remember how 2 leagues ago raider was really good
and it actually only got better because the tree got better
but now its WAY better than even then
and people are like "meh"
and ye, things with secondary effects will love that notable
wary stratus
raider seems pretty decent to me, it's just hard for people to get excited over "decent" when it isn't really build enabling
vast berry
we can just continue to ignore probably maxxed qotf with nothing but qotf, raider, and frenzy charges
the amount of %evasion is absurd
and obviousl with frenzy stacking you take the %evasion per frenzy, both of them, on the tree
silver kettle
40% increased movement speed, 20% attack and spell dodge
rugged locust
decays over time instead of expiring after a duration, I think
uncut warren
If you get elusive again it just resets right?
rugged locust
I believe not
uncut warren
How does sustaining elusive works?
rugged locust
you have to wait for it to expire or use withering step to refresh
and withering step has a cooldown so it can't be refreshed constantly
uncut warren
So what about the assassin asc
dense sentinel
So spectres gutted into the ground?
+2 node does almost nothing for them
This is exactly GGG’s trend - you can’t just buff lesser used stuff. Have to gut the more popular skills lmao
wet plaza
They said theyll scale more with levels now
gritty ember
also the other nodes scale them pretty well. both life and damage
vast berry
well so i underestimated how hard it is to max evasion
rugged locust
flat evade chance helps a lot
wet plaza
Why does detonate dead not have a minion tag 
steel folio
becase you dont need minioms to use it
wet plaza
What if I consider spawned corpses my lazy minions
dense sentinel
Nah they said they’d change scaling. I bet the scaling changes means minions are a tiny bit stronger early game and that’s it.
restive wren
@dense sentinel zombies now get slam CDR with levels
dense sentinel
@gritty ember the other nodes give like 30% inc damage. Taking away 100% inc damage from spectres is a significant loss to specifically one minion
restive wren
Raise Spectre probably has changes that haven't been announced yet
dense sentinel
Doubt it, honestly. If anything they might nerf the spectre gem
People still played it, which means it needs “adjusting” even if it’s less than 1%
Of players
To force new +levels minion archetype they’ll continue to gut spectres. I would not be surprised if death attunement loses the +1 spectre tbh
proven wadi
🤔
gritty ember
yeah seems likely to me that they will compensate for the lack of minion specific nodes in necro by buffing either the gem or other nodes/items to make up for it
not having minion specific nodes helps ensure that other classes dont look 'obviously inferior' for those minions
dense sentinel
Ah yes, just like they “buffed” melee
And compensated for 30%+ nerds to base attack speed on most melee skills and nerfing multistirike into the ground by... adding a bit of flat damage to melee skills that require 2-3 supports like ancestral call and melee splash just to function like a normal ability?
When there’s trade-offs or “adjustments” things mostly go. They don’t really come back as extra power elsewhere
Remember when they teased wicked ward on the tree? And people though occultist would get a buffed version of it lmao. They just ripped it out of occultist AND nerfed what remained in occultist ascend
Spectre damage being removed from necro isn’t signaling that it’ll show up elsewhere. It’s announcing that spectres will likely be nerfed in a few other ways.
wet plaza
I mean what do you want to discuss with that attitude
tidal frost
wait for patch notes; no point.
analog island
will necromancer be nerfed or buffed most likely?
violet nymph
i'd be willing to bet ggg directed this leak so community feedback would allow ggg to make some changes before release based on said feedback
i'm hearing a lot of "necromancer is worse" "assassin is worse" "saboteur is worse" etc etc
rotund sky
Well one thing to keep in mind is that whenever a build needs to be changed, people will consider it worse
tidal frost
also eveyone hates everything
tidal frost
I like the new aura traps. the clunkyness of mines for a big modifer was fun and theyre removing free content by getting rid of them instead of just adding the new ones.
tidal frost
...you can throw the mines is what hes talking about
you could just shift click anywhere and drop em before ( I think its bee nawhile)
depends how you like controlling stuff.
violet nymph
my starter is a miner
just because new mines will clear well
and also because they'll have the damage to nut on every boss in the game with little gear
tidal frost
Im headed towards traps and or mines. need patch notes before anything.
wet plaza
Your mouse has to be where the mines will be thrown to
rotund sky
I’m going to try for a carrion golem build probably
wet plaza
Versus they are at your feet. Period. Big change.
hoary snow
It seems like they’re continuing to lean more towards possible versatility in character build options (more in the gem, less in the gear and in the ascendancy) so if your build isn’t 100% pre-planned for success, or you decide you dislike it for some reason, switching skills is easier, almost
Or at least during the campaign phase, pre-endgame.
tidal frost
adding base dmg to attacks and minions lowered the burden certainly for the newb phase. even out skills that scaled but had bad basics.
distant scarab
Ok so based on the new spoiled +1 golem passive, I have compiled a list of all valid permutations of +golem bonuses for Carrion Golem, and what the optimal gear will get you as a bonus
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tJTBOhmiVYqGaeSo-vUQiMCIppivmpBohJMDWfNtlpw/edit?usp=sharing
tl;dr:
Carrion golems peak at 2x clayshaper, no primordial chain, at an effective golem count of 149.8 (effectively, 1,398% more damage)
Normal golems now can peak at 119.8 effective golems with 2x clayshaper and primordial chain
Assuming 8x primordial harmonies, which is pretty standard
runic fractal
Ahh, i really don't wanna say this, but.. your calculations is missing +2 potential golems.
distant scarab
from what?
runic fractal
The Anima Stone
distant scarab
nope thats included
runic fractal
Where
distant scarab
6 base, its just assumed you are using anima stone
violet nymph
whats going to be the best class to be a miner though
distant scarab
hover over "Total Golems" note on the left
runic fractal
That's really impossible to know. Please include it, to not make confusion lol
cunning oak
@PixxelKick do you have +100 level corpse necro pastebin ?
runic fractal
Ah, i see
distant scarab
@cunning oak cant do it, Unearth doesnt have the Minion tag ; ;
cunning oak
Rip
fleet garden
@violet nymph every build with a good aoe clear and enough dps if you want to go deep
violet nymph
i find it incredibly curious that perfect agony's rework has yet to be shown in the leaks
@fleet garden ive never played mines or traps so dont know the usual classes that give the best bonus
eager terrace
it's pretty much just saboteur
there are some scion builds but for the most part it's just sabo or don't
violet nymph
im trying pyroblast first
the first person to make people quit their group because their potato computer cant handle the mine spam lag wins 
wild arch
Do you think skitterbots will be supportable by infernal legion?
If it has any sort of flat damage to it then flame surge mines might be a thing
eager terrace
no, I don't think so
restive wren
It sounds like RF but for minions
so I guess it depends on whether "invulnerable" entities can be affected by the buff
wild arch
If the leaks are actually legit then melee necro might finally be a thing
Withering poison zombies/spectres fueling your pestilence
Or better yet a poison based worm commander build 
Oh man I wanna do that
Would a wasp nest army be good for this?
heavy bolt
for what? skellies?
wild arch
Animated weapons
limpid wigeon
slayer nerf is honestly pretty insignificant
still a top notch ascendancy for attack builds
patent canyon
i expected full 1% nerf on crit and not just 0.5%
eager terrace
isn't the change to bane of legends kind of a buff too
since it will now stack with onslaught
oh nm it doesn't even give onslaught
was it always that way or was that part of the 3.7 changes
hm yeah I guess that is new
violet nymph
1? which one is available then? the storm nova mine?
violet nymph
i mean, it's a nova of some kind
wind copper
Well, you can have a blast with it ;-P
fallen tulip
im probs gonna go through all of them
although the Icicle one sounds the most fun to me
runic fractal
That's the most amazing about traps, mines or totems.
It's so easy to change gems, because most of the damage is generic 😄
fallen tulip
applies to any general build but yeah
past obsidian
Icicle looks fun as hell
fallen tulip
the skitterbots seem to reserve mana too
patent canyon
yeah but very small amount
paper surge
Can't help but look at Assassin leaks
Look at live Pathfinder
And just want to use the latter for new poison stuff
wise forge
Hey guys is there a way to see only images posted in this channel or is there a colletive of all of them posted somewhere else?
Theres alot of chat to scroll through to find actual information haha
wind copper
RU looking for the leaks specifically
wise forge
Yeah
wise forge
Awesome. Appreciate that alot man.
wise forge
So the only change weve found for Raider is the phasing node so far?
stone belfry
Some stuff got moved to the 2 point nodes
wind copper
There is an image collection on raider
stone belfry
EG 40% incresed ele got moved to quartz infusion
extra frenzy charge got moved to the 2 point frenzy node from the 4 point
Avatar of the chase got a slight buff
Avatar of the veil node got...some buffs.
wise forge
Oh just found the Raider image collection in that thread
stone belfry
But they're fairly minor.
Way of the poacher now has the extra frenzy charge
instead of avatar of the slaughter
wind copper
I think Raider needs moar movespeed; something like %NN increased movespeed if you have used a Movement Skill recently, for example.
stone belfry
Avatar of the veil got a bunch of buffs, but 40% increaed ele got moved to quartz infusion
wise forge
Avatar of the Veil is fkin Bonkers honestly
stone belfry
The problem is that all of this crap is "increased"
instead of "more"
Like imagine if avatar of the slaughter would be 8% more eva per frenzy charge
and 3% more move speed
and 3% more attack speed
wise forge
Noone woulkd play anything but raider wtf
wind copper
I think Raider suffers from not knowing what it wants to be when it grows up
wise forge
Frenzy and Avatar of the veil would carry everything haha
Still looks super enticing though
stone belfry
well, maybe adjust the values though
wise forge
I like the changes
stone belfry
Like nobody begrudges jugg for being super tank man
but raider just doesn't do anything better than other classes
wise forge
Problem with frenzies if they give you everything
stone belfry
if you're going to whirl/shield charge everywhere
frenzies = attack speed, evasion, damage
wind copper
That's why I say that movespeed should be the signature for Raider
But maybe someone could dream up something better idk
stone belfry
except if you whirl everywhere
then you don't need move speed really
and raider is supposed to be the melee class
for rangers
deadeye is the ranged class
wise forge
Yeah you feel forced to play bows sorta with it because of the way movement works in the game
wind copper
Yeah ik
wise forge
And then yeah you just kinda want to do Deadeye then
stone belfry
Also, the dodge buffs are a joke
wind copper
Kinda why I favor the movespeed attachment to a move skill
wind copper
It's specialized, and doesnt favor ms stacking particularly
wise forge
Thats alot better than people are giving it credit for tbf
stone belfry
Like I wish we had 10 dodge/10 spell dodg eon quartz infusion
and then "you have elusive while phasing"
wise forge
Dodge is already absurdly p[owerful
stone belfry
that it's a permanent maxed out elusiveness
like maybe 5/5 on quartz infusion
then elusive while phasing on veil
wind copper
You can practically perma phase in this game though, so perma elusive would be ridic
snow cairn
the point of elusive is that it's a rotating buff
wind copper
Also I don't know how that would work
stone belfry
flat 20/20 added dodge while phasing
wind copper
Right now only one thing can renew an elusive stack
That chaos move... whazzit called?
wise forge
Withering Step
stone belfry
withering step
hmmm
maybe then just 5/5 on quartz infusion
10/10 on avatar of the veil
on dodge
wise forge
Even without 100% uptime Elusive is going to be very strong
stone belfry
so with acro + phase acro, you'd have 55/45 atk/spell dodge
wise forge
Even if you dont play aorund it and just mongo through.
stone belfry
as it stands, you're at 50/40
So with Hinekora's sight that gets you to 60/50
quartz flask 70/60
then get one of those vaal spell dodge boots
for 70/72 or something and call it a day
snow cairn
step gives you 14-16
stone belfry
Steps are atrocious compared to some high-end vaal boots
I forget which particular prefix it is
they all have weird names
but the one that gives you 12% atk dodge + 30 MS, or 12% spell dodge + 30 MS
snow cairn
temple mod?
wise forge
Theyre still really good unless you need resistances
stone belfry
That's a big unless.
wise forge
Its essentially the same shit, especially early league
stone belfry
Boots are one of the best spots for resists
snow cairn
resists aren't hard to cap though
vast berry
sigh
snow cairn
unless you're running some weird all uniques build
vast berry
yall dont know what you want from raider
wind copper
Alex has very sigh, so drama
vast berry
?
stone belfry
problem is that raider has so little damage
like you have berserker that's like "LOOOOOOOL 40% more damage!"
stone belfry
It is, we're discussing raider
dreamy karma
where can i see this leak
stone belfry
sterile shuttle
if only pins existed
stone belfry
but it feels like if you're going veil, you want to be doing melee ele?
Because you only get the additional -15 res on nearby enemies
wind copper
vast berry
ofc ele
wind copper
Leak album
snow cairn
depends on what that nearby ends up being
snow cairn
nearby is NOT standardized
stone belfry
:icuLd:
wise forge
Tbh, Frenzy/Veil in a Point Blank setup sounds pretty juicy
stone belfry
I think you have to go chase
like that's a MASSIVE amount of evasion
Feels like if you're not going avatar of the chase, you're just doing it wrong
but you have to itemize for it as well
patent canyon
just take any other of the 2 ranger ascendancies and be done with it
wise forge
+1 max frenzy
vast berry
that is damage
wise forge
Immunity to ailments so extra dps flask
patent kraken
10 frenzy flicker seems nice
vast berry
each one is 4more damage
stone belfry
how do you get 10 frenzies?
raider + tree gets you to 7
where are the other 3 coming from?
vast berry
darkray
patent kraken
Sry
vast berry
and corrupted gloves
patent kraken
I forget 10 is endurance
patent kraken
7 is frenzy
stone belfry
darkrays are trash
runic fractal
I think amulet can have 1?
patent kraken
Yes?
stone belfry
and then lucky corruption isn't happening on a good pair of gloves/amulte
vast berry
alright guess i cant talk in here
stone belfry
not unless you throw out like 20 EX just for that
wise forge
People go overkill stacking charges anyway. 7 is fine. You add frenzies to minmax at the end if you want
stone belfry
Also, how the heck do you craft a raider chest?
vast berry
each frenzy is
stone belfry
You can't use pristine if you want eva
vast berry
a lot of stats
stone belfry
Do you dense spam a chest and hope you have an open prefix for a life roll?
so you can master craft it?
stone belfry
uniques have trashcan life or eva
stone belfry
no eva
wise forge
Yeah you just get evasion from other sources
vast berry
daressos or belly
stone belfry
will you be able to eva cap then?
patent kraken
Raider flicker why eva
vast berry
or qotf
wise forge
You get such an absurd amopunt of % eva just from being ranger side
stone belfry
for 95% eva after avatar of the chase?
patent kraken
I use terminus and kaom
vast berry
if you are so intent on eva
wise forge
You dont need it to be capped
vast berry
just qotf
wise forge
And -15% accuracy on top of enfeeble
stone belfry
enfeeble?
wise forge
is an absurd m,ultiu-plier to your evade chance
stone belfry
I mean how do you apply it?
vast berry
i would just use blind on hit and call it a day
wise forge
source*
vast berry
or the aura
wise forge
Also sand stance if you want yeah
vast berry
flesh and stone
wise forge
Tons of ways to scale eva nowadays
vast berry
also darkray arent that bad
wise forge
Anyway thanks for the links @wind copper ! Shit looks good
stone belfry
ah flesh and stone
vast berry
and then all the stats from a frenzy
patent kraken
Darkray with good enhanct and good double corrupt. I think 20ex is worth lol.(if ppl sell it 20ex)
vast berry
thats not wha people were talking about
they found it impossible to get +1 frenzy glove corrupt
stone belfry
not impossible, but very expensive
patent kraken
I found in std
patent kraken
+1 frenzy tombfist
stone belfry
LMFAO
vast berry
if you just want
slap on a 1socket tombfist with frenzy for 80c
but with new accuracy, snakebite is pretty good
that is more expensive, probably just make your own
patent kraken
I found before not wanna slam that gloves ==
Preferred elder base with chance to get frenzy on kill
With the decent IAS as well
dreamy karma
what else was leaked
other than raider
cause raider looks kinda ass
still
lmao
vast berry
patent kraken
Tbh is just rng to maintain frenzy as the flicker. Fmo
vast berry
nah not flicker
patent kraken
What I say is flicker. I'm not talking about ur things
carmine jacinth
the necromancers "ravenous horde" seems to have eaten the "blast cascade" nodes, hopefully we won't be forced into using charged mine support for power charges
tidal ruin
mines and totems are minions when
stone belfry
Whatever high tier map layout you like.
elfin iron
hmmm
stone belfry
Or rather, elder what you want and go ham
Oh wait
8 special item thing
opal ring, steel ring, crystal belt, bone helmet, vanguard belt, what are the others again?
2-toned boots
stone belfry
LUL
elfin iron
?
stone belfry
Winions OP 😛
patent canyon
you can farm the iLvL 100 bone helm card too
elfin iron
@patent canyon it's not leaked what map/s will it drop?
patent canyon
not yet
elfin iron
also, the bone helmet won't be shaper/elder right?
elfin iron
got it
stone belfry
yeah it's elder ilvl 100 bone
Also, is blade vortex still a reasonable thing to play?
Oh wait, it's awful vs. legions
Cuz I know BV used the "minion damage applies to you" node
placid grotto
BV still shreds whatever gets in your way
stone belfry
Sure, but its AoE is tiny
placid grotto
But this league, monsters come to you
stone belfry
I have a feeling ice shot will be so good this league
ice shot deadeye, chain that everywhere
freeze all the mobs--blow them up and stun them
I'd like to say frost blades raider, but that sounds so ridiculous on its face
Mostly because there's no cold conversion single-target designed skill
placid grotto
I'm really hoping the monsters aren't too tanky
I'd really like to see how Autobomber works with Blight
stone belfry
autobomber? As in "bad former elementalist"?
placid grotto
As in HoI/HoT kills everything while you run by
Don't think it was ever Elementalist
Usually Assassin or PF from what I've seen
stone belfry
triherald elementalist, no?
placid grotto
No
HoI/HoT are there killing skills
Basically scale crit so when lightning strikes, it starts a HoI cascade
There are some videos on YouTube by a guy that looks like a troll
modern nymph
I wanna do herald of agony build i think
modern nymph
Not with the new stuff i think, i could scale poison and clear with poison and then use hoa for bosses
Or tough rares
Like go pure poison assasin and have hoa as a side setup
Like on a 4link or pseudo 6link
And scale my poison damage with minion damage nodes
Or something of that sort
placid grotto
Ah that could work. I was thinking the more traditional "here's my spider tank"
lucid stone
I wonder if that 20% DoT multiplier for crits is enough to make ignites significant on a non-ignite build.
patent canyon
no
grave valve
short answer: no but
grave valve
long answer: not alone & you would have to invest a fair amount into it, to the extent where anything else would be more effective
steel folio
trickster will still probably be the only good option for ignite
@modern nymph if you're going poison assassin it would probably be best to just put something like curse on hit on your HoAG and not focus on scaling it very much
fleet garden
Trickster ignite ? It's more for chaos
steel folio
trickster is generic damage over time
patent canyon
and there is no other ascendency that works as good with ignite DoT atm
fleet garden
Tough it was mainly chaos dmg my bad
steel folio
i think all of the crawler's projectiles pierce
so i dont think it would do anything
if you want to play hoa as your main skill it's probably better to go pathfinder gladiator or necro than assassin because you get more defense / scaing / utility for yourself and your crawler and i dont think you get any of that for assassin so you should focus on scaling yourself if you go assassin
snow cairn
hoag doesn't pierce natively
glad narwhal
these damn new dot multipliers come out right after I do my ignite build
wise forge
There been anything found on new Perfect Agony keystone?
patent canyon
n
patent kraken
Did new necromancer able to do llrf? I mean since the regeneration so juicy?
terse lance
well ignite with dorianis fist memes form mathil is now even more serious duo to the dot buffs
timid geyser
@patent kraken At only 6% ES regen per sec that is less than current Occ but now you'd need to find a way to consume corpse all the time. So probably not.
modern radish
SO UHHH YALL HYPED FOR THE SIDE QUEST CARD AY
vestal escarp
eh
its ok
depends on how rare it is
it'd be nice if it had a flat chance to drop from, say, map bosses
placid grotto
Yeah. If it's at all rare, bleh
It has an expected value of about 15c on the high side
Assuming Alva isn't a challenge again
dusky tendon
well, the wording is "Regenerate 8% of maximum ES when you consume a corpse", no mention of a hard cap, so could potentially stack
spice cipher
Not sure how expensive it will be since you get 2 dailies now plus whatever spawns in your maps
tight wing
People farming things will always want more.
timid geyser
@dusky tendon If that were the case then the node is actually broken. There are builds that could easily hit over 200% ES+Mana regen per second.
Which I doubt that would get through balancing.
dusky tendon
that's why I said potentially. If it actually stacks I'd expect some internal cooldown like for all the trigger stuff. At least that would make it a bit less boring, and as it is it seems kinda underwhelming
wide totem
Any more leaks?
timid geyser
No
I mean even if we assume it is 4% regen per second. it is quite strong.
The mana regen for example gets scaled by increased mana regeneration rate.
tidal frost
theres no way its not just 4% a second; and thats fairly strong considering what the options are for ES regen
and thats in addition to the 2% for 10 nearby corpses
timid geyser
Exactly
red pulsar
You think they’ll increase the corpse count of desecrate and unearth so that you can use corpses without getting rid of the bonuses?
sly tusk
If you're always consuming corpses, is it reasonable to assume you'll always have 10 near? Seems like PoB wankery like checking the shocked box because you have a 1-20 lightning damage gem
red pulsar
Could use an unearth totem with gmp
tidal frost
shock needs a slider bar since forever; depends if always means once every 2 second or 50 times a seond
red pulsar
Definitely
tidal frost
if you arnt doing meme levels of corpse eating; they;re around
timid geyser
And even if you are that means you just need to do meme levels of corpse generation 
tidal frost
"nearby" is not regulated by the FDA; so who knows
looks like you can still meme cast speed with .25 duration skeletons; but you cant use spirit offering to heal yourself
well. to dust might not live as is
fleet garden
I hope that Cobra Lash while have some good MTX like celestial mtx
stone belfry
I wonder if GGG is monitoring the reaction to the leaks
Because people aren't taking the small raider buffs well
wet plaza
I mean it's exactly what GGG said it'll be
cedar pewter
Nuu, If cobra lash gets celestial it'll be nerfed 😦
fleet garden
why would you want to nerf it ?
patent canyon
because you want cool mtx for it
none of skills that get cool mtx survive for another league
proven parcel
IRC saboteur ascendancy is changing ?
patent canyon
yh
proven parcel
Any info yet ?
patent canyon
i can ss it zoomed up if you cant open it up and see
proven parcel
I mean yeah can't read, not enough pixels
lucid stone
I'm not sure if sabo is stronger or weaker now.
The regen is halved, but 100% increased mine aura effect?
patent canyon
proven parcel
My only concern is the regen
lucid stone
Plus some critmulti and chance and the pen is now gated by chill
lucid stone
Yeah. :/
proven parcel
Well that's the end of saboteur for me :/
lucid stone
Is it cut in half on scion too?
patent canyon
should be, ye
lucid stone
Maybe WW is better.
proven parcel
Only <1% saboteur player.
lucid stone
Although there are those new mine leech gloves
runic fractal
Necro reveal in 30
lucid stone
But is scion a better miner than sabo now?
proven parcel
I feel like GGG is nerfing any form of life recovery since last year
snow cairn
but drama
sly tusk
You guys excited for the necromancer 'reveal!'? I wonder how they're gonna change it, maybe they'll have one node do like +1 to all minion gems!
mild bough
we already knew how it gonna look like. I even posted a pic here too @sly tusk
compact junco
im pretty sure that was a joke :d
mild bough
okay if you say so
runic fractal
The only thing we know, is how the "leak" looked, not the final decision.
delicate acorn
This is it lads we find out if the leak is real and accurate tonight
lament zodiac
Is it tonight?
eager terrace
necro reveal is just about to happen
lament zodiac
Its so nice being behind New Zealand in time zones 😮
Everything happens earlier than expected!
snow cairn
NA is almost a full day behind 😄
lament zodiac
I kinda how leak wasn't 100% accurate
wind copper
Well it was probably taken from an earlier stage of alpha or some such
So it can't be perfectly accurate
snow cairn
what wasn't accurate about the leaks?
lament zodiac
Presumably all of it @snow cairn but we were sayin we will find out if they are when necro is revealed tonight
lament zodiac
I kinda hope the +2 minion gems was just a place holder for a buff that does something similar to stifle the hate
I think a lot of people were upset about it lacking character
wind copper
My vote is that the leaks are accurate, however dated
lament zodiac
I hope all of the corpse ones were an out of season april fools joke
runic fractal
I'm past my bedtime, simply because i saw "Necromancer" I AM NOT GOING TO BED UNTIL I SEE IT!
snow cairn
wait what? the +2 levels is the best node isn't it?
vestal escarp
+2 to minion gem levels is utterly insane
lament zodiac
Alot of people didn't seem to like the fact it wasnt thematic 😮
vestal escarp
A lot of people are dumb
modest walrus
they're definitely still gonna change stuff and clean some stuff up
but i'd say most will stay the same
vestal escarp
I'm glad they got rid of specific minion references in necromancer
it makes nodes more versatile and opens up interesting choice
especially, say, choosing corpse nodes over bone barrier or commander of darkness
lament zodiac
I feel like alot of the increased damage from the tree will be stripped
vestal escarp
etc
lament zodiac
But the new minion clusters leaked look amazing
vestal escarp
I didn't see those
lament zodiac
One gives +% phys resist and another gives +% move speed
along with other minor stuff
I can link actually 1 sec
vestal escarp
do we know what bone barrier does
runic fractal
lament zodiac
holy shit this now?
runic fractal
Yep, there's a tweak, to my knowledge, bone armor was lvl 1, in this screen it's lvl 20
rose pasture
Hahah
lament zodiac
bone barrier got changed to lvl 20
rose pasture
Its on
cedar pewter
whelp
lament zodiac
they kept +2 minion gems
dusty cove
so leaks confirmed?
cedar pewter
This confirms the leaks
shell hull
oh man
runic fractal
Area of effect on PLaguebringer reduced to 30, from 100
cedar pewter
rip 😦
vestal escarp
neat stuff
lament zodiac
it lost all of its minion duration nodes btw
runic fractal
That's a loss for SrS/skeletons, but otherwise not i think
copper kernel
that would imply that anyone actually played it
compact junco
mistress still has duration on it
compact junco
so it now actually has more duration than before :p
lament zodiac
It was 40% before wasnt it?
patent canyon
rip sabo in general
lament zodiac
Wait does skill duration and minion duration both increase minion duration?
compact junco
it should
lament zodiac
So does this mean everyone is now depressed about raider leaks being real?
patent canyon
not really
compact junco
is anyone really sad about skeles? they skill got buffed
patent canyon
they said she will get rework
compact junco
even without necro nodes
patent canyon
and now its just numbers
violet nymph
I guess 10% regen is fine
delicate acorn
oh yeah having a skill they use once every 8 seconds or whatever stupid cooldown they add being non-evadable, that really mitigates the loss of bone sculptor
lament zodiac
Hopefully skeles will be more than just boss eaters now
delicate acorn
implying they'll be good at that
placid grotto
Didn't the leak have level 1 bone armor, not 20?
compact junco
i mean, they will still have most damage most likely
wind copper
Bone Armor is a guard skill like steel skin that also applies to minions...
lament zodiac
I mean thats waht they used to be
compact junco
and at least from reveals, it looked like their clear was decent as well
wind copper
It did have level 1 yes
lament zodiac
Skeles were literally only good at killing bosses
compact junco
and hcba is not needed since precision exists at all for skelles
(or any other minion that is)
accuracy is now ez and irrelevant
lament zodiac
CourageousToday at 10:57 PM
Bone Armor is a guard skill like steel skin that also applies to minions...
Is this certain?
Oh shit bone armour is literally just D2 bone armour but works for all minions
Siiiiick
placid grotto
It better sound like it
lament zodiac
I wonder if that means its a Minion gem?
compact junco
you dont need to path to it even now, you just take spiritual aid and precision, you would take aid regardless
placid grotto
That was like half the point of using it
lament zodiac
and you actually get lvl 22 with the +2 minion gems
snow cairn
granted skills aren't gems
compact junco
and for clear, they added dash to skellies, and also feeding frenzy, so I dont see the issue
placid grotto
Basically extra health
lament zodiac
D2 bone armour was a physical only defensive buff that took damage before you did
Or was it all damage?
lament zodiac
Yeah maybe eitherway steelskin is physical only right?
patent canyon
all damage
lament zodiac
Oh... nice
No it is steelskin
but for minions also
Odd really since they could have said "Guard Skills now apply to minions" instead of giving us a new minion skill
but I suppose Vaal MShell with all minions would be brokeback
compact junco
its guard skill, so it will share CD
placid grotto
And you can't link it
compact junco
well, compared to other nodes, i dont thik many people will be taking 10
because bone armour sounds like worse steelskin, and there are so many other good nodes
lament zodiac
Wont they?
10% phys 30% ele resist and 30% increased life/es regen
fuck bone armour
even if bone armour was a cosmetic 10 is still awesome
I think its just per not per type
compact junco
well, i assume people will be taking +2, so that is 4 ascendancy points used, then you have mistress, that is 6
and i would rather have essence glutton than 10
if I would want defensive node
stone belfry
so necro leak fully confirmed?
lament zodiac
I think the choice is between Commander of Darkness and Mistress of Sacrifice for most builds
stone belfry
Feels like this is all we're getting for raider then.
compact junco
mistress is too good defensively imo, i dont think people appreciate it enough, and now that it got buffed, its even better (with spirit and bone offering at least)
red wharf
were there any leaks related to melee chars? i saw only 2 changes to slayer ascendancy nodes
stone belfry
slayer slight nerfs
compact junco
it was pretty crazy even before, but yeah now even better