Crossing fingers that the Sabo looks drastically different for the teaser on the weekend.
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fallen pewter
snow cairn
inb4 leaked on purpose to gauge reception
livid apex
10% elusive on kill is sad
storm smelt
Wait there’s sabo leaks?
livid apex
I hate when they do chance-on-kill shit
low kindle
Post Sabo nudes pls
karmic nimbus
sabo regen nerf is a huge downer
patent canyon
better than 4s buff 4s nothing
fierce torrent
today's ggg teasers will feel like a birthday surprise party that you knew about
modest walrus
@storm smelt there's everything leaks
patent canyon
ill take chance over that shit
copper kernel
sabo is absolute garbage tbh
languid path
someone ping me when ggg response k thx
low kindle
Sabo pics pls
copper kernel
check the thread
karmic nimbus
fierce torrent
not even +1 mines thrown
fleet garden
They removed the healing of Toxic delivery :/
modest walrus
Pyromanic nerf
karmic nimbus
look what they did to my boi sab PepeHands
fallen pewter
They have to be mega buffing Offering skills, with the nerfs to Mistress of Sacrifice node tbh.
livid apex
Nerfs?
grave valve
nerfs?
fallen pewter
25% from 50% effect on Offerings to you
fierce torrent
wat
grave valve
oh
livid apex
No
fallen pewter
Cut in half again
grave valve
im pretty sure thats 25% reduced effect OF offerings ON you
fallen pewter
Oh
livid apex
It's 25% reduced effect instead of 50% reduced effect
grave valve
i.e. 25% buff
fallen pewter
My bad
fallen pewter
:D
low kindle
livid apex
and that applies to scion necro as well
fallen pewter
Reading comprehension. At maximum.
native osprey
livid apex
big ziz energy
native osprey
maybe offerings are nerfed tho
livid apex
they relocated a bunch of power
worn hill
not spirit offering :(
livid apex
necromancer is way more interesting now, mechanically
instead of "take this set of nodes for this minion"
there's a weird emphasis on leaving corpses intact though
worn hill
it's amazing how much more fun ascendancies can be if it's not "this node is specifically for skeleton builds"
fallen pewter
Necro seems weird. There's not much... actual power besides minion tank.
fierce torrent
+2 to minion gems is kinda nice
worn hill
honestly though
livid apex
Corpses you create providing shock chill prolif
worn hill
arem inions hurting for damage
livid apex
is pretty neat
fierce torrent
thats two nodes more than what raider has to offer
fallen pewter
Hah
modest walrus
and minions got another speed node on the main tree too now
fallen pewter
Well, the point is you rarely need your minions any tankier @worn hill
worn hill
minions didnt have taunt back then
livid apex
Raider having an elusive path would be interesting
fierce torrent
half of raider nodes should be condensed into a single node and get more nodes
fallen pewter
On live right now minions only die to nightmare things like Atziri trio that flood the screen with garbage.
livid apex
Either a 4-pointer or two 2-pointers
fallen pewter
Minions have taunt already
fierce torrent
i mean 4 pointers into 2 pointers
worn hill
do they?
fallen pewter
Every Necro army build has taunt abyss jewel
fierce torrent
the frenzy charge 4 pointer is so lame
worn hill
o
fallen pewter
Almost identical % to the 3.8.0 meat shield.
languid path
the middle branch of raider is still shit
fleet garden
@livid apex oh yeah ty a lot
low kindle
Link the thread please
fierce torrent
assassin's elusive node beats half of raider's tree
karmic nimbus
for real, that elusive node is crazy
livid apex
karmic nimbus
assassin is literally just better raider now
fierce torrent
assassin will get nerfed in 3.9
storm smelt
I can’t read the ascendancy ones on my phone
Text is so small and if I zoom in it’s just blur
fallen pewter
I wish GGG would define "Nearby" finally.
fierce torrent
sounds like youre opening them wrong or smth
hot quail
Corpse pact + spectres + dd
fierce torrent
but theres many nearby ranges
fallen pewter
It's dumb that it's still a random word that means nothing until you test it on that particular instance.
snow cairn
they would have to change a bunch of wording
fierce torrent
snow cairn
and set real numbers on range
fallen pewter
All the word consistencies in PoE and Nearby still means nothing consistent.
snow cairn
i would just be happy if they split nearby into near/medium/far
fallen tulip
wew
karmic nimbus
exact numbers arent out yet
white badge
mana guardian with damage, might league start guardian soulrend now 🙂
violet nymph
Oh no is sabo regen really getting cut in half
patent canyon
just a leak
karmic nimbus
wait, numbers are out:
The new Elusive buff grants 40% increased movement speed as well as 20% attack and spell dodge. Unlike other buffs, Elusive doesn't have a duration, but instead loses buff over time, until it is removed on reaching 0% effect. This means that increasing your buff effect also increases how long the effect on you lasts. Most sources of Elusive won't overwrite an existing Elusive buff on you.
patent canyon
might still be 20
fallen tulip
or might not 😉
pulsar blade
Elusives = 40% ms 20% dodge
violet nymph
I hope it is or tinker's is gonna be expensive 😦
wind copper
Yeah that was released about Elusive days ago
placid grotto
How long is elusive?
fallen tulip
depens on buff effectiveness
patent canyon
5s.....?
fallen tulip
seems to be 20-25% per second
patent canyon
by default
fallen tulip
so 100% is either 4-5s
snow cairn
the text describing elusive is wrong on the compiled reddit thread
native osprey
change nearby to
very nearby 25 unit
rather nearby 30 units
quite nearby 35 units
nearly nearby 40 units
somewhat nearby 45 units
almost nearby 50 units
relatively nearby 55 units
fairly nearby 60 units
barely naerby 65 units
not nearby 70units
wind copper
Yeah it links to its own contradiction
native osprey
patent canyon
lmao
fierce torrent
or just write the actual numbers
native osprey
BOOOO boo this man
languid path
in yo face 1 unit
native osprey
shit
languid path
in yo mama face 100 unit
fallen tulip
gives me the ggg feeling
violet nymph
wtb in game measuring tape 50ex
snow cairn
rip
wind copper
1 unit in my face, I get 1 unit in your face
native osprey
fixed
violet nymph
They should actually make a measuring tape except all of the distances are "nearby"
native osprey
oh I thought of some more
wind copper
"almost kinda nearby"?
fallen tulip
just tell what the units are like 1u 2u
languid path
yo mama so fat nearby global range
native osprey
fixed
violet nymph
Each circle is 10u
fallen tulip
60u is huge
snow cairn
the issue with putting numbers is there's nothing to compare it to in game
native osprey
fallen tulip
theres nothing to compare "nearby" to in game
violet nymph
Yeah 60 units is basically the height of the screen
wind copper
naerby I like it
fallen tulip
especially the 10 different nearbies
snow cairn
nearby isn't off screen though
wind copper
At least its not like D3 yards, which seem to imply all the Nephalim are indeed giants.
fallen tulip
the nearby of 25 units and 120 units is a big difference lol
low kindle
Wtf so many damage over time multipliers
violet nymph
The dimensions of the screen according to that chart are approximately 110*160 units
white badge
this is really juicy
violet nymph
Mana guardian new meta
fallen tulip
is it though
lone chasm
Any new spoilers?
white badge
which one is that?
fierce torrent
low kindle
Also don't forget guys you can't gain elusive while you have elusive, unless stated otherwise
white badge
+12 whole life
karmic nimbus
thats not the life -> atk one
patent canyon
yh
low kindle
Yes
fallen tulip
thats what it looked like in the skill video
i wonder if there's a sweetspot for effectiveness
fallen pewter
And you can't replace Elusive with Elusive. It has to run out first or has to be replaced by a special skill effect.
white badge
@fallen tulip one of my fav builds this league was lowlife soulrend mana guardian , was able to easily do all content. a little more damage would have been nice though.
worn hill
ah so at it's best it's 40% ms and a ton of dodge but it falls off and you cant keep it up at 100%
fallen pewter
From what I've gathered.
patent canyon
you would still want it higher if you can i guess
snow cairn
that movement skill will refresh elusive then end when you attack
patent canyon
since it loses it at same rate
wind copper
Isn't there some item that can replace elusive, tho. I thought I remembered one.
patent canyon
so you get stuff above 100%
wind copper
Oh skill
fallen pewter
Yeah, there are ways
fallen tulip
yeah y ou can get it over 100%
assassin node alone gives 25% elusive effectiveness
so like +1 second?
wind copper
patent canyon
so think if you can, get effect on it
snow cairn
i hate delayed cooldowns
fallen pewter
With how strong Elusive is, makes sense tbh.
fallen tulip
i think im just gonna replace Phase run with Withering step and call it a day
delicate acorn
i see
snow cairn
i get that it's a balance issue it just feels bad to not know when you can use it again by feel
delicate acorn
so it's a FEAR skill
low kindle
Problem is, withering step doesn't cooldown while you have its elusive
patent canyon
you can phase run in between i guess
fallen tulip
yeah thats why the more effective your Elusive is, the longer it takes to get a fresh Elusive buff
languid path
that's fine, you ain't meant to spam the shit out of it
worn hill
it also loses the elusive when you use a skill
fallen pewter
Though you just wait for it to get to like... 50% and then use a skill to remove Elusive.
worn hill
use step -> lose elusive -> gain elusive from assassin -> use step, etc
fallen pewter
Withering Step is going to be nuts for bursts of speed between packs.
patent canyon
yeah pretty much
languid path
poison storm assassin here I come
fallen pewter
If you have any amount of Elusive effect
snow cairn
assuming you're not spamming a movement skill
patent canyon
i am verry much down to play something with elusive and daresos chest for zoomies
worn hill
i wanna know if perfect agony is gonna go away
snow cairn
they said they're reworking it
worn hill
nice
snow cairn
i don't think anyone actually used it without the flask
languid path
not anymore after you nuts leak the shit out of the tree 
proven wadi
Yeah, cause it sucked
karmic nimbus
it needs to be moved farther right. too far out of the way
languid path
proven wadi
That and it's pretty weak
languid path
ggg right now
white badge
@karmic nimbus can you post a screenshot of the node you were talking about
karmic nimbus
yea 1 sec lemme find it
patent canyon
thats a nutty node
snow cairn
100% attack damage lol
pulsar blade
Perfect Agony is not that weak...it gives good damage to any poison build. There is just absoultelly 0 reason to ever take it when you can use the flask. Especially considering it takes 500 pts to path towards
fallen pewter
Probably expensive to roll. Very expensive.
patent canyon
90% damage or so
low kindle
Casual 100% attack damage on an amulet
fallen tulip
the mana stuff was generic dmg so I can understand wanting it for spells
low kindle
I wonder if the one next to MI is reachable by intuitive leap
Or is it just a display for PoB
karmic nimbus
i think its just for pob
patent canyon
prob display of pob
snow cairn
it would be hilarious if they missed that but it's unlikely
snow cairn
i wonder if they're even on the actual tree
snow cairn
would make more sense if they show up if you equip them
patent canyon
and they said to show recipies
snow cairn
oh, i thought they were just showing recipes as teasers/help
fluid moat
I'm looking at the raider rework
I don't see the point of picking avatar of the slaughter anymore
it's like a very weak avatar of the chase
fluid moat
i'm not going to play poison
low kindle
Raider has ailment immunity
patent canyon
pathfinder has it too tho
fluid moat
and natural frenzy charge generation
snow cairn
ailment immunity is only necessary if you're running 4 unique flasks
patent canyon
pathfinder has a lot more good stuff over raider
fluid moat
raider can get 95% evasion fairly easily
languid path
what you always gonna take both chase and slaughter still, avatar of veil still sucks dick
low kindle
Frenzy charge Gen is ass because you need to waste points on frenzy charges
languid path
it's a 4 nodes for -15 res
snow cairn
veil makes you really tanky
fluid moat
well, avatar of slaughter is just +18% attack speed/movement speed
the first node of veil is 10% dodge chance and phasing
the second is much better
patent canyon
well every node is more or less summed up in "just that"
wait bring back under construction sign next to elementalist and wait for actual rework
snow cairn
18%? aren't you getting 21% if you're going slaughter?
languid path
wait what 21%, if you raider you're running around with 7-8 frenzy charges
snow cairn
21 is 7
languid path
oh you mean the attack speed alone
but sure, I'm not gonna stop anyone from taking a scuffed exposure over 56 dmg, 21 ms + as, 56 ev and the only way to generate frenzy charge in boss
fluid moat
who said anything about picking avatar of the veil?
karmic nimbus
8% increased evasion rating per frenzy charge seems kinda lame
supple maple
difference between new raider and pathfinder seems pretty much nonexistent
languid path
I mean the 3 choices are veil, slaughter, and chase
fluid moat
the current plan would be avatar of the chase because it's even more op than before, way of the poacher and quartz infusion
languid path
I said nobody is gonna take veil
and people started arguing, so I assume they wanna take it
fluid moat
I just said that avatar of the slaughter feels very underwhelming
since avatar of the chase gives ms, as like it, but with a much, much, much stronger evasion effect
languid path
I mean, you gonna take both so I don't see a problem, but sure, consider me misunderstanding your point
fluid moat
????
the current plan would be avatar of the chase because it's even more op than before, way of the poacher and quartz infusion
is it not clear enough?
languid path
wait you gonna take infusion over slaughter?
karmic nimbus
avatar of the slaughter seems better than quartz infusion imo
fluid moat
10% dodge over 18-21% attack speed?
yeah
it's not like you can't find attack speed anywhere
but the attack dodge is a lot more rare
karmic nimbus
and ms and dmg and eva rating
fluid moat
eva rating is useless, since you will be at 95% anyway
karmic nimbus
i guess
fluid moat
but yeah, I guess you get the movement speed
but being able to cap dodge on top of being able to cap evasion sounds a lot stronger than few ms/as%
snow cairn
not all builds need movespeed
spice comet
....
snow cairn
like if you're getting around with leap slam you odn't need that much
lament dagger
If you play a Claw build like Frost Blades on Raider you can use Elusive mechanic
spice comet
Which gives even more ms
snow cairn
elusive is bad for capping since you lose it gradually
and can't refresh it until it expires
lament dagger
Doesn't Nightblade apply a new one?
snow cairn
unless you only need like 5% more to cap
spice comet
Wait fr? It has to fully expire?
snow cairn
no, only the movement skill will refresh elusive if you have one on
spice comet
Or nightblade
fluid moat
no
spice comet
Or on kill effects
fluid moat
no
snow cairn
Unlike other buffs, Elusive doesn't have a duration, but instead loses buff over time, until it is removed on reaching 0% effect.
Most sources of Elusive won't overwrite an existing Elusive buff on you.
wind copper
Nightblad grants elusiove on crit
spice comet
So
pulsar blade
If Nightblade refreshed it on crit; it would have 100% uptime...you can see the video it plainly doesnt
wind copper
But... doesn't say refresh
snow cairn
withering step is the only thing we've seen so far that refreshes elusive
lament dagger
Then Nightblade kinds sucks then
lament dagger
Kinda*
spice comet
You'd only use it for the base crit
snow cairn
it would be way too strong with 100% uptime lol
spice comet
The fuck is the point of getting on hit granted elusive then?
patent canyon
to get it on bosses
snow cairn
ggg loves rotating buffs
pulsar blade
its to give you a defensive buff while you load up on poison stacks at the start of a boss fight
spice comet
I mean i guess for shaper/uelder
snow cairn
"in and out" playstyle
spice comet
If you're loading up on poisons why does it grant ms then?
To run around the single target?
The more i see of elusive the worse it gets tbh
pulsar blade
yeah, why not. if the boss is using some special attack you can run around to the other side of him and carry on attacking
spice comet
.... dodge skills
low kindle
Raider should give you 100% elusive uptime instead of that mess that was done
spice comet
If it granted as and dodge sure
fluid moat
anyway
i'm still taking 10% dodge over AS/MS any day x)
I have already 130% bonus ms in my build, I won't die because i don't have 150%
wind copper
move speed is surprisingly good defense particularly after 3.7
Noted on the 130/150 thing
fluid moat
and phasing can be good in some case
wind copper
I know of a TS build that skips all life nodes in favor of all move nodes, and know someone on a level 97 with it.
fallen pewter
Glass cannon MF TS builds have always been a thing.
elfin iron
any opinons on raider changes?
fallen pewter
Great for evasion stacking. Otherwise nothing special.
elfin iron
it should work well with wind dancer + kintsugi?
patent canyon
you can do that on any other ascendency
fallen pewter
Every evasion build works great with those two
delicate acorn
Seems like mostly the two-pointers have been made better by taking sonething from their 4pointer and yhen some additions or tweaks to the 4pointers
elfin iron
so berserker is still the best for fast melee?
sour mountain
probably yes
fluid moat
well, raider has much more survivability than the berserker
sour mountain
raider will probably only get really good once you get insane gear, like Precursor's with Frenzy charges
if literally all you care about is GOTTA GO FAST then zerker better
low kindle
Raider is still garbage, just slightly less steamy than before
fluid moat
yes
patent canyon
yeah
tidal ruin
how far up do I gotta go to see it : O
fluid moat
95% evasion almost achievable on armor or ES gear, avatar of the slaughter useless
karmic nimbus
tidal ruin
yay
low kindle
Gluttony doesn't let you
elfin iron
are there leaks regarding impale
low kindle
Acrobatics is doable 
fluid moat
Well, technically, you can cap dodge without acro
tidal ruin
and ES leech more or less caps at 30% or something
elfin iron
instead of more chance to evade, we should get chance to evade attack hits = chance to evade spell hits in avatar of chase
lucid stone
Have the leaks stopped?
karmic nimbus
it was only really one big leak, the json for the skill tree so yea theyve stopped i guess
lucid stone
Is there a way I could load up the whole tree in PoB with the json?
tulip warren
the json has not been released, just screenshots from whoever has it
lucid stone
Aw
fluid moat
luisito, the more chance to evade is extremely strong
while the possibility to evade spells (how it would work?) may sounds good, it's way weaker than being able to go from 75% to 95% evasion chance
that was his proposition for avatar of the chase
elfin iron
how it would work?
similar to phase acro?
fluid moat
acro is a static chance to dodge spell
evasion is dynamic
and spells don't have accuracy to begin with
elfin iron
time to rework how spells work :WeSmart:
snow cairn
spells needing accuracy would be pretty silly
spice cipher
static token
I envelop this entire football field in hellfire. Ohh I missed.
snow cairn
i mean, EQ after shock can miss somehow
fierce torrent
violet nymph
You've never dodged an earthquake before? What an idiot
fierce torrent
that's neat isnt it
violet nymph
Just jump when it happens
patent canyon
it is
now just gonna wait 2 years for someone to animate so i could use it for wallpaper
wary stratus
I'm trying to figure out where this indomitable army node is at on the tree from this tiny image, is that path of the savant right next to it? https://i.imgur.com/mpgBD7m.png
fierce torrent
yup
patent canyon
at sion
fierce torrent
wary stratus
fuck bleeds on minions
lucid stone
It's facing down though
Does that mean there's a new wheel shoved in there?
Maybe a 3 pointer
wary stratus
honestly as long as it's just in the same general area I don't care
I'm pathing through there anyway for the life wheel
compact junco
hmm i guess there is no screenie of updated PA? well, i guess I will have to wait for actual reveal for that :d but damn, that assassin nodes, that is shitton of poison damage
runic fractal
PA?
lucid stone
perfect agony
eager terrace
oh shit blight leaks huh
runic fractal
Seems like only passive tree stuff was leaked
eager terrace
hm exploding minion boys seem like it will be a real thing
compact junco
at least they havent completely devalued PF poison, so im glad. even though, I don't really think assassin poison nodes needed buff in first place tbh
patent canyon
it did need tweaks
and they are good, assassin is not broken af but has something unique over trick or flaskfinder
eager terrace
at least assassin gets some kind of defensive node
still seems like it will be pretty squishy gamer action
compact junco
yeah, assassin desperately needed defensive node, just that is enough to make people play it a lot more regardless of other changes
so it will be def. popular. but, for the poison changes, it already had most poison damage out of all ascendancies, so its like melee changes again, just forcing higher numbers instead of adding something unique to it
odd schooner
Some of the new minion nodes on tree feel better than the actual necro ascendency
Like bleed and onslaught
Also lack of minion accuracy on necro is bad
wet plaza
with the acc req buff its not really an issue anymore
fluid moat
precision + increase accuracy in the tree = 100% hit chance anyway
spice comet
Idk how i feel about elusive still seems like a bad thing to invest in for assassins unless you're going something that can utilize withering step
fluid moat
it honestly depend on the base CD of withering step
and its cast time
if it has 2s CD, elusive will be very, very strong
if it's 4 or more, it will be shit
3s, i'm reserved
lucid stone
I think WS doesnt cooldown during its effect
high ember
is there a picture for all the new necro ?
fluid moat
it doesn't really matter
the effect is instantly removed after an attack
if it's 2s cd, it means that you can WS after 2,2 or 2,5s, so the buff stays really high in effectiveness
(for necro)
rain kelp
WS in the video seemed to have a 4s cd, but there might be reduction with level/quality
fluid moat
it's clearly lower than 4s in the video
distant rock
What is the Ascendant Necro node?
high ember
@fluid moat ty
lyric ore
has new perfect agony been shown
wind copper
no, unless it's in the leaks somewhere
compact junco
im sad noone actually leaked the full json, playing with it in pob would be fun, even though its probably good noone did
alpine iris
how come it did leak? 🤔 also damn I do like the direction necro is going
eager terrace
alpha tester leaked it sounds like
cunning oak
Any leak about enchantment ? Or enchants ?
high ember
how do ppl alpha testers
modest walrus
@cunning oak it's just the entire passive tree
cunning oak
Okkey thanks for reply @modest walrus ^^
alpine iris
Shame, I do like the hype around announcements, good on the admins to make this a hidden channel kinda ^^
red wharf
just saw assassin ascendancies, seems it got kinda slayer treatment? almost all offensive nodes and very few defensive (elusive) ?
placid grotto
New assassin node seems pretty good but not sure what to drop for it
Yeah kill them before they kill you
red wharf
looks like a speedy glass clearer/boss killer to me
30% movement speed from 2 asc passives + elusive fore more %
placid grotto
Shadow has to rely on 150-170% life on tree and phase acro
modest walrus
just don't get hit 4head
stone belfry
Also, huuuuh raider buffs look completely meaningelss
You get a little more damage on veil route, a tiny bit more eva on onslaught route
am I missing something here?
Because it looks like it was a minor touch up when the ascendancy was utter garbage
placid grotto
That's not true. GGG said Raider would get "big changes"
modest walrus
i think there was more movement speed somewhere
stone belfry
Like we see the leak
wet plaza
Wasn't utter garbage tbh raider was ok but not super good like the others
patent canyon
before rework on raider
patent canyon
all that it is now, i can no longer say daresos chest is better than whole ascendency
modest walrus
@stone belfry Avatar of the Veil has 10 -> 20 movement speed and also got the added ele resist down
stone belfry
Sure, but those are minor touch ups
modest walrus
yes
stone belfry
like 15% reduced accuracy compared to sabo blind?
sly tusk
stone belfry
Big LOL.
modest walrus
they are pretty minor
stone belfry
Right, but raider was faaaaaaaaaaar behind other ascendancies
like slayer/berserker made her look silly
Slaughter tree got straight nothing.
Chase got a minor buff
Veil got the most impactful one, but still nothing spectacular
pulsar blade
Veil got exposure but it also lost +elemental dmg
sly tusk
Necro 4 points for chilled, 20% shock and 10% more damage taken and 10% less damage done
stone belfry
- ele damage went to quartz
wet plaza
I mean the minus acc stacks with blind
stone belfry
sure, but how is raider blinding people?
wet plaza
By using one jewel
stone belfry
And what possible build do you take raider for now as best in class?
wet plaza
Or the flask
pulsar blade
You could do Sand Stance
wet plaza
It's a jack of all trades doesn't have to be bis
Lots of possibilities to get blind nowadays
stone belfry
Sure, but at various opportunity costs
static token
Changes look like decent improvements to me. I never really bought into the recent hate for the class though. It's just a general good stuff build.
wet plaza
Raider was my go-to for speedy ngamahus it looks pretty good again
placid grotto
How does GGG decide what to swap and tweak? Spin a wheel? Seems like it at times
snow cairn
they have a lot more data than we do
static token
So they didn't change the thing you want in the way you want so they must be incompetent? Why you gotta be like that.
snow cairn
no clue if they actually process that data properly
placid grotto
Oh no I'm not saying that at all
snow cairn
bitching enough on reddit will get it done too
placid grotto
I'm saying it makes no sense because their method results in things like +1 Mana cost to SRS
fluid moat
Raider is ton of movement speed + ton of evasion + free frenzy charge generation, it's all rounded
it's not FOTM no wmatter what you can play, but it's good
placid grotto
Or Trickster's numbers being reduced by one. Somehow they decided reducing it by 1.5 or two would be too little and not hitting all if them wouldn't be enough
Despite IMO other nodes being the power behind Trickster
stone belfry
I mean what's the point of playing a raider?
Why play her over a slayer/zerk/champ for melee
placid grotto
I.e. Harness gives effectively 80% more damage IIRC
stone belfry
or a deadeye for ranged?
fluid moat
you have a lot more defenses
95% evasion
is
strong
lot more movement speed as well
static token
Harness doesn't give nearly as much damage as it seems. It's nice, but the numbers look bigger than they are.
snow cairn
raider is better positioned for claws/bows
stone belfry
Deadeye >> raider on bows
Pathfinder most likely better than raider with claws
Certainly for poison, not sure about ele
Then again, why even play ele claws?
Molten strike is RIP now
wind copper
You can do a 450% MS build on deadeye, and the best TS of all choices
static token
If you are only looking at DPS then yes, others are better. If you are looking at defenses, QOL, and DPS together raider is just fine.
snow cairn
frost blades works fine in end game
stone belfry
I mean you still need a dedicated single target
because frostblades is awful for that
stone belfry
or at least, highly suboptimal
snow cairn
and socket melee phys
dusky tendon
lacerate raider?
fluid moat
I will play that next league
stone belfry
like you have frostblades/ancestral call/weapon ele/cold pen/hypothermia/ice bite
fluid moat
bleed damage is the same than glad
snow cairn
why ancestral call?
snow cairn
frost blades clears fine without it
stone belfry
you need multistrike
distant scarab
God damn... we can hit lv 100 bone archer corpses now I think folks
stone belfry
FB/multi/ancestral/weapon ele/cold pen/ice bite
snow cairn
you get a bunch of cold pen from other sources i think
it's been a while since i played the build
stone belfry
ah right, the jewels
fluid moat
especially with exposure
snow cairn
there's also some tree nodes
distant scarab
Damn... I think we are... 1 gem level short of pulling off lv 100 bone archer corpses
snow cairn
ancestral isn't necessary
distant scarab
no wait yeah WE CAN DO IT
stone belfry
I mean it makes you clear 2x as fast
distant scarab
WE CAN DO IT BOIZ
wind copper
how
stone belfry
You don't need it, but you definitely want it I think
fluid moat
in any case, if you feel like you don't have enough single target damage, just swap out AC for MPD against bosses
ggwp
stone belfry
Yeah that's what I'm saying
But touch of anguish is fairly weak as far as endgame claws go
fluid moat
it's clearing claws
fluid moat
you don't use them for guardians/shaper
stone belfry
Meanwhile, Pathfinder can craft herself a GFG poison claw in a few prime resonators
aberrant/corroded/shuddering/metallic
You can't do that with a frostblades claw IIRC
fluid moat
your point?
stone belfry
My point was that I was hoping raider would receive some mondo buffs
like gigabuff dodge chance on veil route
cunning oak
Raider for fancy builds nothing more
distant scarab
Check it:
lv 21 unearth base
Necromancer: +2 Gem Level
lv 4 Empower: +3 Gem Level
2x Steel Point: +6 Gem Level
Socketed in Honorhome: +4 Gem Level
2x "+2 gem level" corruptions in Honorhome: +4 gem level
Total of lv 40 gem level, which summons level 95 corpses.
+5 corpse level enchantment = lv 100 corpses boiz
snow cairn
as long as raider is generic it can't get good buffs
fluid moat
Well
wind copper
dang
karmic nimbus
for phys to ele conversion try multimodding temple weapons. its a forbidden techinique
snow cairn
like how old berzerker was too good since it was just generic more damage/leech
distant scarab
Theoretically with a double corrupt, we could hit lv 101 corpses, but summon spectral spirit can only hit lv 100
pulsar blade
You couunted necromancer +2 twice
fluid moat
you can get 10% dodge chance + frenzy generation + +1 frenzy charge + onslaught + evasion cap + phasing
you couldn't before
cunning oak
@distant scarab which helmet for enchament ?
distant scarab
Honorhome
stone belfry
You would give up an avatar node for some phys dodge or +1 frenzy charges?
fluid moat
it's not gigantic buff, it's still not nothing
distant scarab
the only helmet we can do it with
stone belfry
Well, raider is so far behind slayer/zerker/champion that she needed a gigabuff
And I think this comes up still well short on opportunity cost
cunning oak
Never saw or i domt remember which one is it
fluid moat
avatar of the slaughter is quite bad if you have already a lot of ms
stone belfry
Like the class is now..."okay"
distant scarab
Honorhome gives +2 to level of socketed gems
fluid moat
so, yeah, I would trade 21% as for 10% dodge
distant scarab
so it gives +4 to unearth level
stone belfry
And before, raider was still "okay"
wind copper
Let's all form a guild and run parties of 6 summoners at once.
stone belfry
Like obviously it's better than no ascendancy class
distant scarab
We did it. We finally can achieve level 100 Unearth corpses
stone belfry
But on opportunity cost, it still feels severely behind.
cunning oak
But you need to hit enchant yoirself
distant scarab
which means level 100 spectral spirits
fluid moat
yeah, but the frenzy generation is a huge opportunity cost for everyone else
distant scarab
@cunning oak you know it! 😄
fluid moat
so they often have to give it up
cunning oak
I dont know any lab farmer gonna enchat that helmet XD
snow cairn
might get lucky and buy the base from a random legion drop 😄
wind copper
Depends on meta doesnt it? The lab runner I mean?
cunning oak
If enchant can sell like 80+ ex
Yes lab farmers gonna do but i dont believe it can sell that high
Actually meta is not highly income for lab farmers
wind copper
Why not?
cunning oak
I mean hard lab farmers cause everybody gonna run few lab to try their luck to hit meta enc
Lab farmers generally income in middle league some new meta with weird uniw helmet
Or classic devoto XD
Eternal helmet / eva base heet
wind copper
I wish labs could put the enchant in a Divine Vessel and sell that
cunning oak
But this league ilvl86 bone helmet gomna be awesome for enchant XD
distant scarab
ilvl 100 you mean :p
cunning oak
Me too XD ill be rich af
lucid stone
Unearth isn't a minion skill, right?
distant scarab
oh my god... it isnt
violet nymph
so
distant scarab
; ________ ;
cunning oak
@distant scarab ilvl100 isnt hard too much with elder base ?
lucid stone
Sabo seems meh
violet nymph
i've heard good and bad things
distant scarab
@cunning oak the new div card gives ilvl 100 elder bone helm
cunning oak
Wait wtf
distant scarab
yeh
wind copper
DOH
lucid stone
AoE buffed indirectly due to mine count, but gets a huge chunk of aura effect for mines
plus some other nifty stuff
Good, but doesn't look too fun. Mostly is numbers afaict
snow cairn
ascendancy changes are all kinda meh
lucid stone
Passive tree, however
violet nymph
mines are definitely gonna be fun
brazen glen
im digging the necro changes ^^ thats alot of hp i can get for zombies now :p
violet nymph
ooh what about the tree
cunning oak
@distant scarab can you link card ? I have only discord network atm XD
lucid stone
Strike skills target one additional enemy
cunning oak
Ms come back ?
lucid stone
Also 10% increased effect of arcane surge per 200 mana spent
cunning oak
Wait wtf
violet nymph
indigon builds back? lmao
cunning oak
200 mana spent %10 ?
lucid stone
And regenerate 1 mana flask charge every 3 seconds, and remove ele ailment on mana flask use
cunning oak
Indigon is a node XD
snow cairn
it's level 1 arcane surge right?
violet nymph
i saw that one
lucid stone
It doesn't grant arcane surge
violet nymph
increased effect of arcane surge means you can link level 20 arcane surge
snow cairn
oh neat
violet nymph
to main skill
lucid stone
It gives up to 50% increased effect of arcane suge
cunning oak
So aura opening is count spend mana ?
lucid stone
Also Unleash gets +1 charge node
compact junco
even with those weird mana flask nodes, i still dont think people are gonna use them 🤷
brazen glen
20% more minion life, and 50% increased minion life if you use aukuna for zombies ... me gusta
violet nymph
for all we know, mana flasks won't stop at full mana anymore
snow cairn
baron also gives a good chunk of life
violet nymph
would make them very useful
lucid stone
They also moved utmost intellect outside of any jewel radius
They moved it from witch to where the spell aoe nodes by EB are
violet nymph
what about utmost might
lucid stone
I don't know, but I assume it's similarly bricked
violet nymph
well
lucid stone
So no transcendent flesh for you
sly tusk
That arcane surge thing, I don't think it would work like that, it's 50% increased arcane surge effect, not 50% increased effect of the gem, i.e. It won't be a damage increase
violet nymph
kinda deserved lol
hoary snow
Aw, I was hoping raider would actually have notable buffs
lucid stone
There's also Fortify while using a life flask
snow cairn
Arcane Surge is a buff that grants bonus spell damage, cast speed, and mana regeneration.
cunning oak
Hmm whats that
distant scarab
specifically Arcane Surge gives 10% more spell damage
lucid stone
I wonder if you can allocate hidden nodes with intuitive leap
wind copper
Useless really
snow cairn
the node doesn't give you arcane surge so it's not limited to 10%
sly tusk
Ah, I forgot about that portion of arcane surge tbh, thought it was just regen and cast speed, my bad
distant scarab
so 50% increased effect of arcana surge means going from 1.1 => 1.15, 0.05 / 1.1 = 4.5% more dmg
stone belfry
Seething divine life flask of...Omega LUL
cunning oak
Life flasks stop after full hp :(
stone belfry
Yep.
wind copper
It might be okay if "during any flask"
lucid stone
Also ignite now has its own multiplier
cunning oak
All dream explode :( hc lab farm with pf
stone belfry
As in, pathfinder archer
lucid stone
And so does bleed
wind copper
Flasks should just be all changed to apply their effects regardless for a duration
solemn tiger
@worldly scaffold add these to the album
https://imgur.com/a/dPfphUu
wind copper
You hit it, it's working
delicate acorn
you know
stone belfry
Honestly this league is looking more and more meh
delicate acorn
i said, not long ago
stone belfry
No real crafting options
delicate acorn
"What if you could get fortify from a flask"
lucid stone
Also scion necro now has 75% effect of offerings instead of 50%
stone belfry
Buffs are...ehhhh
cunning oak
No boss
delicate acorn
and everyone called me insane
wind copper
I approve of your kitten Scoota
cunning oak
NO BOSS IN TREASER
wind copper
;-P
violet nymph
i love necro changes tbh
modest walrus
does RF count as fire damage over time? cause i was interested in that build and see a bunch of fire related nodes adding that
wind copper
I'd be okay with fortify directly on a life flask. I mean if you're hittin' it, you need it. ;-P
delicate acorn
*laughs in future sight* https://i.imgur.com/5C3oQSI.png
modest walrus
or is it just meant for Ignite only
snow cairn
fortify during life flask ends when you hit full life
wind copper
LOL
snow cairn
which is waaaay weaker than on a utility flask
delicate acorn
see: appropriate downside
wind copper
WayToDumb was way too dumbe that day
snow cairn
RF counts as fire damage over time yes
wind copper
Yes
modest walrus
damn, that's gonna be some nice upgrades then
wind copper
I'm still suspicious tha the TD part is gonna take too long...
stone belfry
Oh, and no buffs to elementalist/occultist
heavy bolt
off meta boyz ftw
rain thunder
That's really shitty that they split Mistress of Sacrifice into two nodes, one being being 4 points now
violet nymph
the first week is gonna be nuts in regards to build diversity lol
cunning oak
When they gona release whole tree ?
wind copper
On patch day?
heavy bolt
lol
cunning oak
Yep
heavy bolt
sep 3rd is patch notes
wind copper
So this leage offlines on 4th?
heavy bolt
2nd
rain thunder
Now with the +2 to minion gems from Necro, would that apply to Soulwrest with another Phantasm gem inside it?
That would be insanely powerful then
snow cairn
minion skill gems
heavy bolt
probably
snow cairn
phantasm is a support gem
rain thunder
Phantasm is sitll a minion gem
marble vigil
That's not a distinction
"Active skill gems and support skill gems are usually referred to as skill gems."
violet nymph
is that double golem node gonna be used on like... every build lol
rain thunder
The thing with Soulwrest and an additional phantasm support in it, idk if it will use the staff or the gem level
violet nymph
i could see crit melee builds wanting both lightning/ice golem
marble vigil
Because gems is too generic of a word, it needs a clarifier
normally it's socketed gems
violet nymph
or RF wanting flame/stone golem
rain thunder
I read that you can't really increase level of gems granted by items
compact junco
you will not get enough +lvls for it to matter tho, next phantasm is at lvl 26
snow cairn
items don't grant gems they grant skills
violet nymph
god this passive tree stuff is amazing
marble vigil
And yea, the issue is that I don't think it works with soulwrest because the phantasms you summon are the ones the staff grants, the second socketed phantasm support just increases the cap
rain thunder
I see, I'll have to test it out once I actually get to that level
compact junco
well it would matter if you would reach the next milestone at that is at level 26 gem, and i dont think that is really doable
snow cairn
isn't that just +1 phantasm?
compact junco
yes
snow cairn
so +5% damage? 😄
snow cairn
pretty sure phantasms scale with gem level
violet nymph
hmm
marble vigil
phantasms do, but the staff is summoning them
snow cairn
but like cinara said, it probably won't affect soulwrest
snow cairn
without the jewels?
violet nymph
yes'
oooh
with
shroud of the lightless
and elemental weakness
just stack the fuck out of penetration
rain thunder
I just don't know what nodes to take. I obv want the flat damage, move speed and attack/cast speed
But splitting the Sacrifice node into two really hurts
snow cairn
the phantasms do a ton of damage, they just need to survive long enough
violet nymph
oh shit
compact junco
well, resummoning them is simple, so they dont really have to
snow cairn
depends on what they use for "nearby"
odd schooner
Phantasm need faster projectiles to survive or else any endgame boss stomps them
pulsar blade
for raider i might try rebuke of the vaal and its 1000 rainbow dmg
rain thunder
Yeah, I'm always summoning phantasms with Bubonic Trail
snow cairn
15% exposure isn't a real reason to play raider imo
rain thunder
I may drop the node for Offerings effect me as well
The cast/attack speed and damage from consuming corpses just seems too nice to drop
and AoE now too
snow cairn
that doesn't apply to minions i don't think
worldly scaffold
@solemn tiger these are already here
just not in that format
they are separate
but yeah gonna add this
brazen stirrup
man
the attribute clusters being out of jewel range is sad
witch could finally get some easy accuracy
rain thunder
Yeah, I guess it doesn't increase damage of minions. So that one is pretty useless now. Guess just taking the first node in that path is worth it then
brazen stirrup
its safe to assume the str one will get changed too
snow cairn
i thought putting the accuracy one in the witch area provided a ton of easy acc
brazen stirrup
it did
snow cairn
oh, from the pictures?
snow cairn
rip molten strike
stable socket
would u get that node tho
the 2 crit nodes
the elusive
and the previous node seem better to me
any leaks on guardian?
i somewhat expected them to give him more minion nodes
pulsar blade
There was one of the secret nodes that gave dmg per max mana
marble vigil
Guardian was not mentioned at all in any part of the league reveal, don't expect any changes to it directly
stable socket
that node is pretty shitty though, its only 30%
on a stat that you dont really have a lot of
odd schooner
You underestimate how much mana a build can have
stable socket
like even if ure planning on using guardian, the ES > Spelldmg conversion node is 10x better
snow cairn
isn't it increases to ES? and doesn't guardian mostly grab mana?
pulsar blade
there are different ones for es, mana, and life
odd schooner
Its inc ES not max ES
snow cairn
so the mana -> damage would probably be best for guardian
marble vigil
Shaper's Touch gives a ton of %es for str stackguardians
stable socket
if ure a support guardian yuo dont give a shit about dmg
odd schooner
It also would be nuts on a str stacking chieftain, 3000 str is not impossible to get
stable socket
and if ure not a support, then you wont have more than 80-90% inc mana
but you will easily have 300%+ inc es
marble vigil
Yea, the ES one has way more potential
snow cairn
lol wtf? who specs 300% es?
stable socket
you get es% from just getting int
snow cairn
oh, thought it only counted % from the tree
stable socket
you get so much more inc es% than life% or mana%
odd schooner
Will most likley be expensive
marble vigil
It should count any non-local %es
placid grotto
You're more likely to have 200% ES. I don't think there's 300% on the tree
placid grotto
Oh right int
snow cairn
int and shaper's touch apparently
stable socket
10 int = 2% inc es
marble vigil
%ES from jewelry also
heavy bolt
sweeeet es
i wonder how big the zombie slam attacks would look like with x2 violent dead + plaguebringer >_>
quartz dome
I spy necromancer tree but was assasin leaked
eager terrace
yeah
fluid moat
quartz dome
dank
eager terrace
nah some alpha tester leaked the tree JSON
tulip warren
the hacker known as 4chan
modest walrus
some dude on a russian image board caught that
and plugged it into PoB and then posted all the changes
quartz dome
some nice defenses on that assasin tree now
shell hull
yeah nice
quartz dome
situational but pretty good actually
quartz dome
yeah those triple boss fights it'll be shit for
sure showed me
and atziri, and uber elder
fluid moat
do you really pick ascendancies for like 3 or 4 fights in the whole game?
and just for a -10% damage taken?
quartz dome
that depends, are you always an asshole or am I special
fluid moat
you are calling names, not me
so i don't think i'm the asshole, here
assassin poison will pick ambush/Mistwalker/Toxic delivery, crit assassin (not poison) will pick ambush/mistwalker/deadly infusion
shell hull
with the new tree
fluid moat
but opportunistic is still far behind everything else
shell hull
nightblade support might actually be worth it for COC you think?
fluid moat
depend if the crit is weapon only or global
shell hull
mroe crit multiplier get elusive
compact junco
i personally dont like ambush, i would still rather go either unstable infusion or opportunistic on poison ass
pulsar blade
i would take unstable instead of ambush too
shell hull
it jsut says +100% critical strike multiplier
stone belfry
What are the trickster nerfs?
compact junco
opportunistic for movement, unstable for power charges, depends on what you prefer. but i never liked ambush
pulsar blade
the on full life thing is near useless if youre doing loads of little hits...and the on low life thing wont matter because by the time things have low life vs poison, theyre already dead
fluid moat
unstable is 160% increased critical chance
light hatch
is there somewhere I can download the json?
fluid moat
ambush is auto crit (with multi bonus) against trash
11% more damage (culling) and another 20% (and auto crit with bonus) one quarter of the fight
unstable looks good, but it's way behind ambush
except if you do specific stuff with power charges
shell hull
yeah thats what I was thinking is like unstable doesn't seem great unless you figure out some cool stuff with power charges
considering you have so many more ways to get crit strike chance
fluid moat
I mean, paying 2 asc points for 175% increased crit chance is very, very, very underwhelming
shell hull
because Im not clear on the mechanics with the "low life" vs what culling strike works on
whats the overlap there
like is low life bottom 33% and culling strike is last 5%?
fluid moat
low life is 35%
culling kills under 10%
Culling strike is basically alone a 11% more damage
quartz dome
I'm not quite seeing why Opportunistic is supposed to be garbage but guess I'll wait and see
it's at least worth taking after laby1 for the movespeed bonus, can regret it later
shell hull
I think tis mostly just that the defensive beneftis aren't that great I guess
the one that is the biggest to me is can't reflect critical hits
fluid moat
laby 1, you go for mistwalker, so it buffs elusive movement speed