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runic pike Aug 24, 2019, 11:53 PM

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why is my brain thinking of molten stike balls hiting the target then bounce back up to me

vast berry Aug 24, 2019, 11:53 PM

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tbh

wild arch Aug 24, 2019, 11:53 PM

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It existed but i feel sorry for anyone who actually spent time grinding Tora to 7 for it

lucid stone Aug 24, 2019, 11:53 PM

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This one works with melee. Had to be deadeye before.

vast berry Aug 24, 2019, 11:53 PM

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i think this is best for someting like frost blades

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you hit your main target

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blades go out the back and hit things

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the return and get you clear up close as well

lucid stone Aug 24, 2019, 11:54 PM

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What's new about this one is that last line

vast berry Aug 24, 2019, 11:54 PM

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could help with killing rares and such

lucid stone Aug 24, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Pierce after return

proven wadi Aug 24, 2019, 11:54 PM

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yeah but it has to get past all those enemies in the first place

lucid stone Aug 24, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Chain

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Gloomfang chain with this

wild arch Aug 24, 2019, 11:55 PM

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If your blades don't oneshot everything on the screen already then there's something wrong with them templarLul

lucid stone Aug 24, 2019, 11:55 PM

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It might be fun with sst

wild arch Aug 24, 2019, 11:55 PM

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It's not new

vast berry Aug 24, 2019, 11:55 PM

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also you get a bunch of proj speed from frost blades

lucid stone Aug 24, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Yes, but pierce after return is new.

wild arch Aug 24, 2019, 11:55 PM

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It's the exact same as the old craft

vast berry Aug 24, 2019, 11:55 PM

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i seriously think frost blades will be one of the best

wild arch Aug 24, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Old pierced too

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Cobra lash might work with it

vast berry Aug 24, 2019, 11:56 PM

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does cobra lash have a final target

proven wadi Aug 24, 2019, 11:56 PM

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well we don't know exactly what it does yet

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if it doesn't pierce, it has to

wild arch Aug 24, 2019, 11:56 PM

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If it's a chaining projectile I'd assume so

lucid stone Aug 24, 2019, 11:56 PM

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It allows you to shotgun twice with vaal burning arrow, though, right?

wild arch Aug 24, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Probably

proven wadi Aug 24, 2019, 11:57 PM

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only if you have a target behind what you want to hit twice

wild arch Aug 24, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Ziggy said in his vid that it's a chaining projectile with 100% poison on crit

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Which makes no sense

lucid stone Aug 24, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Why

proven wadi Aug 24, 2019, 11:58 PM

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makes sense to me

lucid stone Aug 24, 2019, 11:58 PM

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It chains and does poison

wild arch Aug 24, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Come on

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It's so easy to get 100% poison

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Why would it need that

lucid stone Aug 24, 2019, 11:58 PM

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This saves you from having to get poison from other places.

proven wadi Aug 24, 2019, 11:59 PM

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oh you mean from a "usefulness" standpoint

wild arch Aug 24, 2019, 11:59 PM

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But that's not a choice

proven wadi Aug 24, 2019, 11:59 PM

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yeah if you're assassin for crit poison, its dumb

wild arch Aug 24, 2019, 11:59 PM

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You naturally get 100% just by picking up poison nodes

lucid stone Aug 24, 2019, 11:59 PM

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Yeah, but theyre looking at poison assassin

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We might see some changes to poison nodes

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:00 AM

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I'm betting on some mechanic that scales with poison chance above the cap

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Poison chance might become rare enough to justify the craft

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:00 AM

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But that would lock poison entirely to shadow and ranger

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Additional poison past 100% would be cool

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Like 300% poison chance meaning 3 poisons per hit

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:01 AM

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That sounds good

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And totally reasonable

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A skill dedicated to applying multiple poisons is good

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:01 AM

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That would mean taking the craft on weapons isn't completely stupid

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:02 AM

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But if such a mechanic doesn't exist then that 100% poison on crit is worthless

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Does GGG usually make worthless stuff?

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looks at geofri's devotion

vast gazelle Aug 25, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Uhh

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Not lately

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:02 AM

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I hope I can use it with maces.

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:02 AM

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They even started reworking the crappy uniques

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:03 AM

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I bet theyll make it the same restrictions as reace

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Reave

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So like, daggers, claws, 1h sword.

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Cospri's Cobra Lash?

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:03 AM

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I just want a support gem for claws/daggers

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Eviscerate support

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:04 AM

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So I can use all 3 weapon supports on varunastra

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Shockwave Bladestorm Varunastra

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Whirling blades shockwave is pretty dope

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But jokes aside I'm really considering a poison hammer assassin

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Permastun and melt bosses

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Trypanon Gloomfang Cobra Lash

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Berserker

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:06 AM

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marauderthinking

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Theyre reworking perfect agony, and berserker MORE applies to ailments

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:07 AM

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That new ring together with winterweave on berserker will be nuts

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Crit poison zerker meta?

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Not poison

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You'll kill yourself with that

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Malevolence watcher's eye

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Plus divine flesh

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Plus golden rule

silver kettle Aug 25, 2019, 12:08 AM

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there's a helmet that makes you unaffected by poison as well isn't there

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Yeah but it's kinda bad for attack builds

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Isn't that poison immunity

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:08 AM

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No

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It's unaffected

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Hmm

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Maw of Conquest btw

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Legion helmet from snakey vaal lady

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Also makes you look ridiculous

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:09 AM

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But yeah

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Around 150% Inc attack speed, 40% more and 10-30% action speed

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Is there a way to increase chill effect on yourself?

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The ring doesnt seem hit based.

kindred dagger Aug 25, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Doesnt seems that badn maybe that can be usefull if you can 100% poison without anything so you can just use it to proc effect not really for the poison itself

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Just increase your own chill effect

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:11 AM

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I dont think that's how the ring is worded.

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I think it would increase chill effect on monsters, but not on you.

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:11 AM

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It works with chilled ground and stuff

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Even from flasks?

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:11 AM

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You're chilling yourself

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It should work

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:12 AM

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No, you're reflecting a poison that you apply to an enemy, and the condition of the ring is that you are chilled while poisoned.

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You aren't chilling you. The ring is chilling you.

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At least that's how I think it works. You could be right.

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I hope you're right, cause that's more fun.

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:13 AM

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...

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 12:13 AM

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I think it wont scale

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Even if it doesn't at the end of the day 10% action speed is still crazy

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Free no stack tailwind

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'Free'

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:14 AM

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2 rings sacrificed kind of free

compact junco Aug 25, 2019, 12:14 AM

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at the cost of 2 eq slots, so, not that crazy

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:14 AM

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What's 10% reverse chill + 40% More attack speed?

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2 rings and a jewel.

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And if you're doing poison, 2 rings and 2 jewels or a helmet and a jewel

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 12:15 AM

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wheres the more action speed coming from

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Winterweave

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Oh I meant attack

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Winterweave reverses chill

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:16 AM

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My bad I meant attack speed from Blitz

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 12:16 AM

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oh more attack speed there it is

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:16 AM

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40% More attack speed + 10% reverse chill = what

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:16 AM

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44% more?

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Would PoB work if you just clicked 'do you have tailwind'?

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:17 AM

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I'm not exactly sure how you're meant to calculate it properly

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Since action speed literally speeds up your animations without any numerical changes

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:17 AM

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I wonder if GMP fires in sequence on cobra lash

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Or if it's a fan

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 12:18 AM

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1.4*1.1 = 1.54

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54% more

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Okay thank you. :D

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From the trailer, cobra lash looks like a fan

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Not barrage

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They look kinda slow.

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Eeeeeh

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Like youre throwing leaves at people

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 12:19 AM

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*daggers

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:19 AM

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10 aps with 10% action speed is still 10 aps

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Just happening faster

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 12:19 AM

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technically it does make you do more attacks per second

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Yeah but the game doesn't account for it

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Yes but if you took a stopwatch you would be getting more hits out.

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You would have a greater frequency of attacks in that period.

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Which is why you can't throw it into the calculation

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It has to be added afterwards

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:21 AM

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PoE has screwed up my use of increased, more, and additional.

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 12:21 AM

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its just a more multiplier with more things affected

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:21 AM

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Which is why deadeye is good for siege ballista

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Alright so how do I make poison tidebreaker work marauderthinking

wanton rivet Aug 25, 2019, 12:26 AM

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does that new boomerang passive only work for piercing projectiles

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like it wont work for ball lightning

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:28 AM

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It says attacks

wanton rivet Aug 25, 2019, 12:28 AM

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ohh duh

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:28 AM

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And it'll work with chain

wanton rivet Aug 25, 2019, 12:28 AM

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thx

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:29 AM

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I mean it can work with basic projectiles too but it's not gonna hit anything on the way back

fair prairie Aug 25, 2019, 12:31 AM

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yeah I mean if it didn't say attack that would be nuts for spark lul.

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just stand ontop of what you want to kill and 10milllion sparks come rushing back

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Oh

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I looked into it a bit more

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Apparently the old mod didn't let returning projectiles hit the same targets again

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So this is completely useless

compact junco Aug 25, 2019, 12:34 AM

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just looking at the wiki, it could, just not the final target

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:35 AM

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Meh, the initial impression was good, but I just can't see this being worth it

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Out of the 2 new ones revealed so far still don't see anything better than soul of steel

compact junco Aug 25, 2019, 12:36 AM

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and i already have use for both, so depends on how you look at it 🤷

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:37 AM

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Sure they'll work in some very specific gimmick builds

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But literally everyone will benefit from soul of steel

compact junco Aug 25, 2019, 12:37 AM

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the first one is pretty strong for divine flesh, and that is not even gimmick build, and second one is good for most projectile poison stuff to improve clear

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and if you are poison assasin, you are going to need something to improve your clear

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:38 AM

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The new ring with white wind and cold poison gloves

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HoI to pop packs for fast clear

compact junco Aug 25, 2019, 12:39 AM

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that ring is shatter on hit that kills enemy, so it will not do anything for poison builds in like 90% of cases

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:40 AM

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White wind and cold poison aren't even necessary here

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Just that ring with HoI will give all the clear you need for trash

compact junco Aug 25, 2019, 12:41 AM

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yeah, but not for actual poison build

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:41 AM

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Care to elaborate?

compact junco Aug 25, 2019, 12:41 AM

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you are not going to kill anything with hits on poison build, and that ring requires that

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Your hits still do damage you know

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Hitting 1 mob twice to blow up everything near it with HoI is plenty

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Or if you're really that against the ring then ancestral call splash still exists

keen fjord Aug 25, 2019, 12:43 AM

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they could do something with culling strike on the assassin ascendancy, that would count

compact junco Aug 25, 2019, 12:43 AM

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yeah, again, that will not happen in 90% of cases. even though your hits still do damage, its pretty small

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:43 AM

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No it isn't small

compact junco Aug 25, 2019, 12:44 AM

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i mean, i am not going to argue about this, it simply is

old egret Aug 25, 2019, 12:44 AM

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am i missing something or does that projectile notable look super broken?

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turns all projectile skills into spectral throw.

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:44 AM

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You're missing something

dusty cove Aug 25, 2019, 12:44 AM

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its alright

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not br0ken

keen fjord Aug 25, 2019, 12:44 AM

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nobody found a very good use for the old deadeye mod, sooooo most liekly very limited use

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:44 AM

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It's nowhere near as good as it initially looks

old egret Aug 25, 2019, 12:45 AM

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on TS, would it return the secondary projectile?

dusty cove Aug 25, 2019, 12:45 AM

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yes

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but it was bleh

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 12:45 AM

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It would if the projectile doesn't pierce and hit a wall

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People might have missed it but they showed this effect off in the betrayal trailer with burning arrows

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The return wasn't even hitting anything there

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The best use you can get out of it if you make your projectiles super slow and make yourself as fast as possible

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And make the return fly after you

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But that's about as pointless as it gets

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 12:58 AM

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Well cobra lash is pretty slow it looks like

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So more complicated spectral throw

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 1:03 AM

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It looks interesting but didn't they mention they're adding 5 new poison related gems?

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Poison mines pls

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 1:08 AM

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hmm

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whats a poison-y mine skill

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 1:09 AM

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📎 unknown.png

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 1:09 AM

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haha jk we don't know because we don't know the new skills

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Bladefall poison mines with the new +3 gem lvl daggers

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 1:09 AM

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i dont trust that dagger to be accessible

dusty cove Aug 25, 2019, 1:12 AM

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why not? it is gonna be super niche

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 1:16 AM

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because it depends entirely on how rare it is

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and from what level of content it drops

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also, "super niche" doesn't mean that much when it specifically boost a playstyle they're pushing for the league (poison)

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 1:24 AM

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Umm

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How much damage would +6 levels add to Phys spells on average

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And would it be anywhere close to beating disintegrator?

languid path Aug 25, 2019, 1:26 AM

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that depends entirely on how many of your gears are shaper/elder

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for blade vortex and bladefall lvl 27 would almost double the base dmg of 21

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Well

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Looks like raw disintegrator with 0 charges still beats 6 levels for bladefall

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Accounting for the 90% damage effectiveness a high roll disintegrator is practically identical to levels

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And then you pile on the siphon charges

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Yeah but then you need to deal with self damage

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Well, not much, but it's always some because you always have at least 1 charge

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Oh, I completely forgot that staff was a thing~

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I've been using martyr of innocence for purifying flame but that's probably a lot better.

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Is that good with Eternity Shroud

barren crescent Aug 25, 2019, 6:21 AM

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with all the hype that dagger is gotten -> drop rate = 0.00000001

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GGG being like: oh shit that will make SRS usable again

wide totem Aug 25, 2019, 6:23 AM

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I wonder if the return projectile thing would work with sst

barren crescent Aug 25, 2019, 6:42 AM

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it should with shards

wide totem Aug 25, 2019, 6:43 AM

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Yeah, since those shoot from center of target wouldnt all the shards that go "behind" the mob hit it on a return path

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Increasing single target damage

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?

placid grotto Aug 25, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Listening to Baeclast and they mentioned upgrading turrets. Any details on how that works because that's the first I heard of it

wide totem Aug 25, 2019, 6:47 AM

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It's seen in the trailer and mentioned but I dont think we know anything more than that

fair prairie Aug 25, 2019, 7:16 AM

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It appears like they are upgraded by getting special points from killing the enemies as is typical with tower defenses. Hopefully the radial upgrade selection isn't too clunky though I can see how it can really get in the way.

elfin iron Aug 25, 2019, 8:28 AM

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any news if they will be buffing melee

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or is this league purely summoner/mines/poison

static token Aug 25, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Poison and Raider would be melee buffs, that's probably it. As all last league was a melee buff.

elfin iron Aug 25, 2019, 8:30 AM

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sadness

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I'll probably try mines

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but then again, why not just play traps instead

static token Aug 25, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Is there a single thing in the game you arn't able to do with melee as it is right now?

elfin iron Aug 25, 2019, 8:30 AM

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nothing

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with cyclone

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templarLul

static token Aug 25, 2019, 8:31 AM

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And every other melee skill as well.

fallen tulip Aug 25, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Cyclone is just a good skill for this type of game

austere anvil Aug 25, 2019, 11:11 AM

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sooo....

violet nymph Aug 25, 2019, 11:51 AM

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imagine if all the ts arrows worked with the return node

austere anvil Aug 25, 2019, 11:57 AM

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imagine if they can now self damage

violet nymph Aug 25, 2019, 1:03 PM

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yeah its hard to balance cyclone

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its always going to be good as long as its not straight up garbage

patent canyon Aug 25, 2019, 1:15 PM

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and when its garbage you can use it to trigger other skills

dusty cove Aug 25, 2019, 1:18 PM

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bring back cats on crits

static token Aug 25, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Coc soulrend?

dusty cove Aug 25, 2019, 1:23 PM

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nah old april fools

static token Aug 25, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Ya, but you can still kinda do it with the cat mtx.

patent canyon Aug 25, 2019, 1:24 PM

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very much not the same tho

dusty cove Aug 25, 2019, 1:24 PM

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not to the same spammy degree at all

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MILLIONS of cats on screen

austere anvil Aug 25, 2019, 1:50 PM

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soo...

keen yoke Aug 25, 2019, 1:53 PM

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yeah...

haughty harbor Aug 25, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Yup...

red wharf Aug 25, 2019, 2:30 PM

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last league a melee buff marauderthinking

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what i actually remember from that league, was cyclone, few good gems and.. that's it?

patent canyon Aug 25, 2019, 2:30 PM

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and ruined multistrike

red wharf Aug 25, 2019, 2:31 PM

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it saddens me when i watch all other leagues where they buff spellcasters/bows

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im starting to think its more about a arpg issue, not poe

violet nymph Aug 25, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Rip wanders

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Never forget

red wharf Aug 25, 2019, 2:33 PM

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it would be hilarious if they toned down cyclone hard

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and expected as well

fallen tulip Aug 25, 2019, 2:37 PM

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almost every melee build got buffed though. Cyclone just took the #1 spot

wet plaza Aug 25, 2019, 2:37 PM

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it wasnt different for the spellcaster buff

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we also didnt get a bow buff yet

rough radish Aug 25, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Bow buff when

runic fractal Aug 25, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Bows are quite strong tho?

patent canyon Aug 25, 2019, 3:00 PM

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yeah there is ts for mf

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and few dot skills

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thats it. nice bow build diversity

runic fractal Aug 25, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Well, yeah. If you only pick the strongest for each thing, then obviously.

haughty harbor Aug 25, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Unless it explodes the screen too people wont swap from the current bow skills if they are chasing efficiency

wet plaza Aug 25, 2019, 3:14 PM

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we just didnt gett oo much skills for bow

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compared to melee/spells

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not that we got a huge amount of new summons

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or wands

fallen tulip Aug 25, 2019, 3:22 PM

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bow buff in 3.9

olive whale Aug 25, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Hey everyone
So uhh I got a question: Does mines now will become kinda better version totems?

I mean with node from tree mines cannot be damaged for 5 seconds, and new skitterbot can activate the mines and then REARMING them. Also someone from GGG said, that skitterbot is invulnerable. Sooo for example in boss arena you can place some mines and just run around boss without pressing any buttons cause skitterbot will make all work for you?

fallen tulip Aug 25, 2019, 3:27 PM

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i dont think the mines will rearm after 1 rearming

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it will just be like traps are now but you choose when you want to detonate them in my opinion

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and 2 bots will be triggering one mine at a time i suppose

olive whale Aug 25, 2019, 3:36 PM

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well if there's limit on count of rearms that will make sense i guess

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i wonder how it'll work with Tremor Rod then, will it be two 2 detonates per rearm?

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or now Tremor rod will not make sense? Cause wiki says this
The Mines can be Detonated an additional time modifier 're-arms' the initial mine after the first detonation allowing for a second detonation.

fallen tulip Aug 25, 2019, 3:57 PM

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or it will be 2 rearms

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with tremor rod

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allowing for a 3rd detonation

runic fractal Aug 25, 2019, 4:04 PM

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I think it's just a matter of wording tbh.

cedar umbra Aug 25, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Bruh I have a triple shaper suffix thicket bow with proj pierce two additional targets as well as arrows deal additional damage for each enemy pierced and t1 ele damage, how will that even stack with that new notable added to the game

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I'm just thinking about the absurd damage you can get on the end of the projectiles

dusty cove Aug 25, 2019, 8:22 PM

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eh projectiles that return are still poop for single target and for clear it probably wont matter

patent canyon Aug 25, 2019, 8:36 PM

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also remember that 90% of projectiles wont return while clearing either

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its really really bad node

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only usable on something like shield throw

hoary snow Aug 25, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Well, looks like they're going all out on making minions even bigger than ever.

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That new belt plus explosive minions plus the "they burn to death" thing and you've got death bombs running around through the place

kindred dagger Aug 25, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I think the projectile node will be good for this league as you are static, it will just increased quite some your hit and for bossing maybe ? dont know if the projectile when it reach the last unit as it travel back hit it a second time instantly

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If it doesnt work, and they dont change the mecanics of the nod it feel hard to imagine it beeing usefull

tough roost Aug 25, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Returning projectiles don't hit the target they are returning from

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Otherwise that's just like 100% more projectile attack damage on a Notable

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Oooh new belt

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Could be great for some area denial strat with tower defense.

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Well not really area denial cause they still go through it.

spice cipher Aug 25, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Good for popcorn builds imo

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 9:36 PM

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But deathmark some minions to a vein, pop them, and then make a caustic ground on each path

spice cipher Aug 25, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Not for clear but bossing it could see use

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Or tower defense. owo

spice cipher Aug 25, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Or that lol

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 9:38 PM

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I had a weird dream where there was a map where the boss was three souped up innocences, where one was fire, one was cold, and one was lightning.

spice cipher Aug 25, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Hmm so what minion would be best for that belt? I hear zombies can get super high life

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 9:39 PM

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And the 'i am the torch' and 'i am your god' were pretty bullshit

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Unearth Spectres

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Unless carrion golem has something nifty like more life per non golem minion

spice cipher Aug 25, 2019, 9:40 PM

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I have zero knowledge of minions of any kind

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 9:40 PM

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Unearth can create very high level corpses. Spectre makes a minion from that corpse which means it has super high health

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Like enough to insta shaper

spice cipher Aug 25, 2019, 9:41 PM

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What’s like the most realistic highest amount of life you can get on a minion?

gloomy prawn Aug 25, 2019, 9:41 PM

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does anyone have a link to a method for sorting/clearing stash tabs in Standard? I know most of it is junk, but how do I find the diamonds through the sand?

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 9:41 PM

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How much do level 95 unearth spectres have? 0.o

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I dont make MI builds often so I dunno

restive trellis Aug 25, 2019, 9:52 PM

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a lot

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like oneshotting shaper with detonate dead

kindred dagger Aug 25, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Depend on the minion srs can have to 40k i think when other like zombie or spectre can have up to 80k+

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dont know the highest value possible but i allready saw on late build those value

restive trellis Aug 25, 2019, 9:56 PM

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spectres can get to absurd levels of hp

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especially with the new dagger buffing unearth corpse level

leaden bane Aug 25, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Small brain league like synthesis

spice cipher Aug 25, 2019, 10:13 PM

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So you’d deffo have to stack the caustic ground cause at the highest hp (80k) is only 16k dps

kindred dagger Aug 25, 2019, 10:18 PM

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but boost by minions damage and all the buff right ?

wide totem Aug 25, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Popcorn summoner seems to sound legit

fair prairie Aug 25, 2019, 10:26 PM

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too much summoner hype they need to release more and better information about the other 2 archetypes so the summoner stuff won't be super expensive at league start due to over hype

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 10:27 PM

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But caustic ground shouldn't be stackable like all the other ground effects

spice cipher Aug 25, 2019, 10:32 PM

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No it shouldn’t , I’m just wondering how you could scale it. Is it scaled by minion stuff , chaos stuff, idk lol

wild arch Aug 25, 2019, 10:51 PM

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I'm assuming it's the exact same as necro's zombie clouds

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Since they said they're making the tree more generalised so it works with any minions they're most likely getting rid of that

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And this is the replacement

lucid stone Aug 25, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Mine uniques when

proven wadi Aug 25, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Damnit moving necro abilities to unique items

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This make me wonder how extensive the rework will be

silver kettle Aug 25, 2019, 11:26 PM

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my assumption is that most of the skele node and probably the entire spectre node will get shifted directly onto the gems themselves

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in my ideal world there wouldn't be any skill-specific ascendancy nodes but GGG are going in the opposite direction so that probably isn't happening

toxic swan Aug 26, 2019, 12:10 AM

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hmmmmm

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is cyclone getting a nerf?

hoary snow Aug 26, 2019, 12:11 AM

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How big is the cyclone nerf? It seems mostly area-based unless I'm reading it wrong

toxic swan Aug 26, 2019, 12:11 AM

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idk I don't use cyclone so I don't know much about it

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but I figure 50% of you must lol

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:17 AM

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Wait so is multistrike worse for ailments now

violet nymph Aug 26, 2019, 12:17 AM

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probably

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i wouldn't use multistrike for ailment skills anyway lmao

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 12:17 AM

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Cyclone seems to be buffed for claws/daggers but nerfed for stuff like +range foils

violet nymph Aug 26, 2019, 12:17 AM

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don't forget facebreaker

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oh my god facebreaker.

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i might just start the league with my cyclone facebreaker gladiator lol

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Well multistrike had a 100% more damage multiplier on the third strike before the change

compact junco Aug 26, 2019, 12:18 AM

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multitrike was super good for poison, now its kind of worse, but still pretty good

violet nymph Aug 26, 2019, 12:18 AM

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yeah

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Is the attack speed more than before the gutting

violet nymph Aug 26, 2019, 12:19 AM

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nope

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unfortunately

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 12:19 AM

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What's the point then marauderAnger

violet nymph Aug 26, 2019, 12:19 AM

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if they wanted to fix attack speed issues, they'd give faster attacks support some more attack speed

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Big brain

violet nymph Aug 26, 2019, 12:19 AM

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nobody uses faster attacks generally

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as far as i'm aware

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Except on utility attacks

violet nymph Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 AM

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well yeah

compact junco Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 AM

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faster attacks is basically movement skill support :d

violet nymph Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 AM

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movement skills

compact junco Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 AM

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nothing else

violet nymph Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 AM

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it should be usable for main skills

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i find myself using faster casting on a ton of my spell builds

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because i hate how unleash feels with low cast speed, and i hate how spell echo feels in general

compact junco Aug 26, 2019, 12:22 AM

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idk, imo its fine as it is. not everything needs to be huge dps boost, and faster attacks is still widely used

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:22 AM

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I thought unleash should be a support which turns spells into cooldown skills with charges but no

lucid stone Aug 26, 2019, 12:23 AM

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Cyclone is basically the same for CoC, right?

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:23 AM

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Except for the aoe

lucid stone Aug 26, 2019, 12:23 AM

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Yes but you dont really grab the range nodes on CoC afaik

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Really good for unarmed, though, no?

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:23 AM

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Oh for sure

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I'd do a facebreakers cyclone now

lucid stone Aug 26, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Or doryani

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Hmmmmmmmmmmm no not that

lucid stone Aug 26, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Cyclone for clear, touch for single target?

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Touch is just ass in general

lucid stone Aug 26, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Well its strong for ignites

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Too slow for anything

lucid stone Aug 26, 2019, 12:25 AM

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You need stun immunity.

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Too slow for zerker?

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:26 AM

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Touch with a ramp up? No thanksssss

violet nymph Aug 26, 2019, 12:26 AM

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cyclone facebreaker got seriously buffed with this change. less damage cause the flat phys got nerfed, but that's why we use abyssus and play gladiator

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and use the surrender

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and riposte in a 4l

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:26 AM

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Or just zerk

violet nymph Aug 26, 2019, 12:26 AM

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or champion for that matter lol

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some fucking nutty impale shit

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Dominating blow fb possible? Hm

toxic flint Aug 26, 2019, 1:38 AM

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i've been looking at the conversation 'bout attack speed and I'm thinking this can't be right

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I have a beuild that's almost entriely based on Attack Speed

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Frost Blade Raider

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it just melt the fuck out of most things, and no, it's not lv 100 i didnt get the time to get passed level 87 or so

kindred dagger Aug 26, 2019, 2:05 AM

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smart brain dev strike again templarLul buffing something then nerfing it to the ground what a healthy way to balance a game templarthumbsup

covert venture Aug 26, 2019, 2:10 AM

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btw for the master mission if anyone read about it

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is it saying that the more missions you accumilated, the lower the chance for a master to show up in maps, etc.

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if im reading that right

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 2:41 AM

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? Eh no

cobalt falcon Aug 26, 2019, 2:41 AM

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If i read it right, maybe im wrong, they nerf random encounter master (not symbol)

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Yeah they did that

cobalt falcon Aug 26, 2019, 2:42 AM

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They only acumulate daily one?

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 2:42 AM

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But encounter rate doesn't seem to be linked to accumulated Masters

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No they accumulate chance based encounters as well

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That's why they nerfed the actual in map encounter rate

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Like you run maps and have some chance to see master in map, and also a chance for the number to go up

kindred dagger Aug 26, 2019, 2:47 AM

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overall it should be the same they said and even better as you can stack all daily and share it with other char so

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the only player that probably wont feel a huge change and maybe a little little nerf would be constant map spammer

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but even then the fact that you can stock the mission is pretty convenient now so everyone should be cool with this new feature

tough musk Aug 26, 2019, 2:56 AM

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...wait....this means I can just stack and sell all of those shitty Alva quests to people who actually want to do the temple?

placid grotto Aug 26, 2019, 3:01 AM

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No because only you can do those and it'll use your Temple

tough musk Aug 26, 2019, 3:03 AM

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bah, highly sub optimal. Guess I'll stick to not talking to her in a7 then.

cobalt falcon Aug 26, 2019, 3:07 AM

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I still confuse how we acumulate the random encounter

tough musk Aug 26, 2019, 3:10 AM

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basically, if I'm reading this right, when you'd run into a master in a map randomly, there's a 50/50 chance that instead of encountering them in the map you're in, their acumulated quests counter will go up instead.

cobalt falcon Aug 26, 2019, 3:10 AM

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I see

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 3:13 AM

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I'm guessing even if its not that, it will be kinda like that in practice

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just run more maps and the number will go up on its own until you're ready to spam the desired league content

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btw this will make standard insane for experiencing league content

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numbers in standard will just go up every day without you even visiting it

cobalt falcon Aug 26, 2019, 3:18 AM

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They say its account wide?

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So if we do league, also affect standard?

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 3:18 AM

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no i mean let's say a year from now

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you say, i want to play a lot of legion

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er no

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something with a master, like temples

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you go to standard and you have a big number from just dailies adding up all the time

cobalt falcon Aug 26, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Ah sorry not acccount wide, account wide but same league

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I miss that part

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 4:18 AM

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so just how bad is that cyclone nerf? It seems to me it was just a radius nerf yes?

wide totem Aug 26, 2019, 4:19 AM

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10 speed penalty too right?

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 4:19 AM

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think its always been 30

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would log in and look but I gave away all my stuff lol

night moss Aug 26, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Yea its still 30 just melee range is now 8% to aoe

wide totem Aug 26, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Ah

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 4:24 AM

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i'm happy that means compared to previous cyclone its an overall buff.

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That is pre-buff cyclone

placid grotto Aug 26, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Yeah if I'm leveling an attack character, I'm going to be using Cyclone.

quiet geyser Aug 26, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Cyclone will still be insane strong right?
It has just less obnoxus aoe

quartz atlas Aug 26, 2019, 5:54 AM

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More nerfs too come for sure.

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Dont just looking at the tip of an iceberg

cobalt falcon Aug 26, 2019, 5:54 AM

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If the mana cost get nerfed..

quiet geyser Aug 26, 2019, 5:56 AM

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do you think they will nerf it more?

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Myb impale gets a nerf too

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but overall its still insanely strong

static token Aug 26, 2019, 6:05 AM

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They already showed us the updated gem, so we already know most of what we would need to for Cyclone specifically. They could nerf supports as well, but that would be an overall nerf to melee as a whole.

kindred dagger Aug 26, 2019, 8:52 AM

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cyclone should still be strong yes especialy as its easy to use

fickle iris Aug 26, 2019, 9:46 AM

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We know most of, but I would imagine an impale nerf as well

elfin iron Aug 26, 2019, 9:48 AM

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noooooo

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not impale nerfs

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my poor champ notLikeThis

kindred dagger Aug 26, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Not sure if impale relaly need nerf, when basic skill get nerf impale is nerf alongside so thats fine

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but if you nerf impale you nerf everything, what i found interesting is that with impale you may have a possibility to have build without crit beeing more efficient

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A change in that direction could be interesting

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its boring to be force to invest into crit nearly all the time to have absolute dps

static token Aug 26, 2019, 10:47 AM

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Impale was probably too strong. The amount of benefit you got compared to the amount of investment required seemed a fair bit out of balance with other similar mechanics.

gloomy bay Aug 26, 2019, 11:22 AM

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I think rather than Impale being too strong, Impale support gem was too strong. It was what 49% increased impale effect for 20% quality vs the 10% Dread banner gave

tough flame Aug 26, 2019, 11:41 AM

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I'm just hype iit'll be a lot rarer to be near level and then poof, some syndicate asshat pops out on a particularly vicious tier 14.

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I will be able to store all those up and run them all after levelling.

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 11:55 AM

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They can still spawn.
Master missions aren't going away, they're just more rare

lucid stone Aug 26, 2019, 11:55 AM

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They should make dread banner give increased impale effect when you place it, and then decrease the amount of effect on the support, if they were going to nerf it.

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That way you still have impale for bosses at the end of the map.

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And so do allies

royal plaza Aug 26, 2019, 12:11 PM

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In regard to Master Missions , do you think people will stop spamming quarry(or whatever they have spammed) with 50% less chance(50% of what it is now) of a random master mission ?

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Wait people actually place down the banners? marauder

bitter ledge Aug 26, 2019, 12:16 PM

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So, let me see if I understand the new mechanic correctly

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Any time you enter a map, there is a 25% chance of ANY master spawning. In the new version, there is a 50% chance that the master will spawn in the current map and 50% chance the the master mission will be added towards the 'accumulated master missions'?

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And I feel like this mechanic will only work in maps, as the requirement for acquiring the master missions are to beat the map boss (As far as I know)

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 12:19 PM

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More like 12.5% to get them in map or added to counter

bitter ledge Aug 26, 2019, 12:19 PM

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So, 12.5% chance for a master to spawn in a map and 12.5% chance to get them added to the master mission (upon beating the boss)?

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Or is it 6.25% chance for them to spawn in a map and 6.25% chance for them to get added?

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 PM

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I don't know the numbers

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 PM

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I don't think you need to kill the boss to acquire the master missions.
That sounds.. weird?

bitter ledge Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 PM

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It's worded very weird

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Well... what's stopping somebody from plopping in a random map and leaving them right away?

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 PM

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But basically it's the current rates but there's a 50/50 chance of them being added to the counter for later use

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 PM

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Nothing stops them, i guess?

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 12:20 PM

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If you can afford wasting hundreds of maps I don't see the problem

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:21 PM

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Well, just gotta do T11 maps, and if you don't need them and don't sell them, i see no issue in that either.

bitter ledge Aug 26, 2019, 12:21 PM

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It really depends on how good the rewards scale with the higher tier maps.

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I really feel like spamming low tier content is going to be meta.

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:22 PM

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For masters, low tier content probably wont ever be meta. But that's just me :p

bitter ledge Aug 26, 2019, 12:23 PM

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Hmmm... are the rarities for beasts (like Farric Apes) higher in red maps?

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Or does it just contain more red beasts?

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:24 PM

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The special ones, like bosses and such, there's actually quite a few, that can only spawn T13+

bitter ledge Aug 26, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Hmmm...

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Then I do have to really compliment the devs for thinking to seperate the different tiers of master missions beforehand

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:25 PM

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I'm not sure about the temple, probably doesn't need high ilvl.
Tho, crafting bases are based on the temples ilvl, so if you got good rooms with some special crafting base, then you want high ilvl on that too.
Syndicate same thing. Can be either or i think

bitter ledge Aug 26, 2019, 12:26 PM

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But I highly think that you can only get these master missions accumulated bonuses in the maps.

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Because otherwise you can just keep spamming the doorway between 2 areas over and over

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:26 PM

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The new masters are only map based to my understanding.
I don't think they're touching spawn rate on storylines masters.

static token Aug 26, 2019, 12:30 PM

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Temple and Betrayal I would imagine would be better for low level farming. Nico would give you more at higher level. But may not be worth it if the master sharing ends up being as broken as it sounds like it will be. Einhar is really only worth doing in red.

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:32 PM

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What do you mean with master sharing end up being broken?

static token Aug 26, 2019, 12:33 PM

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People making lots of alt accounts to do endless Nico rotas.

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Sounds like a hassel. How will you get it to your main account then?

static token Aug 26, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Your main account still runs the map, the alt account just opens it.

royal plaza Aug 26, 2019, 12:34 PM

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The random chance is halfed(thats why i said 50%) and added to the chance to get a Master Mission after the map is completed/ the Boss is killed .
I dont know how high the Random chance is.
The chance to get a Master Mission/Atlas Objective is currently 20% after Map completion. (3.7)

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:34 PM

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But wouldn't you have to reach maps with your alts too?

static token Aug 26, 2019, 12:34 PM

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Ya, but some people can do that in a couple hours. Not me, but people who would be into that kind of tedious shit.

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:34 PM

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So you'd rotate your alts with others as well, so each time you open, youd' have to reinvite and everything... sounds like a hassel xD

royal plaza Aug 26, 2019, 12:35 PM

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Betrayel farming for relations is good at low level , for unveiling you want high ilvl items

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:36 PM

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Why zaroin?

static token Aug 26, 2019, 12:36 PM

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Shouldn't need to re-invite. Whoever talks to their master opens the map. Alt just needs to drop when they run out of master missions

royal plaza Aug 26, 2019, 12:36 PM

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higher ilvl mean you get more exp in the unveiling process for the crafts

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:36 PM

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So instead of 6, you'd just make 5 man rotations i guess.

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Really? I didn't know that 😄

royal plaza Aug 26, 2019, 12:37 PM

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for example i got +2 support gems from lvl 1 to 2 with 1 ilvl 85 item.

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:38 PM

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Nice 😮

slender temple Aug 26, 2019, 12:38 PM

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Hmmm does the whole party get XP from it

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Also does it work on stuff we already know

runic fractal Aug 26, 2019, 12:39 PM

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xp?

royal plaza Aug 26, 2019, 12:48 PM

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and einhar can be good at low Tier. I got a few Fenumal Plague Arachnids this league(5) in Glacier (T2)

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I hope the Triad grip gloves are not this Rare(4G) and i will start to do the mechanic when i get cwdt + Convocation/lvl ~36 and pray the towers do enough dmg.

barren crescent Aug 26, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Shattering skellies?

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oh boy

elfin iron Aug 26, 2019, 6:01 PM

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any opinions on the new multistrike gem?

livid lake Aug 26, 2019, 6:04 PM

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doesnt fix the problem

low kindle Aug 26, 2019, 6:29 PM

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give me back my attack speed

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that's my opinion

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Bonus for repeated hits is stupid in a world where you can animation cancel

tight wing Aug 26, 2019, 6:36 PM

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^This. The problem is, people also wanted to not to be stuck on multistrike animation. so everytime you ask for a fix they think you need the old one with the no cancel and tell you to "learn to play".

livid lake Aug 26, 2019, 6:39 PM

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i miss the non animation cancelling version tbh

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at least i knew the attacks would get out

low kindle Aug 26, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Nah it sucks not bring able to dodge in time

austere anvil Aug 26, 2019, 7:29 PM

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that was the price you paid

livid lake Aug 26, 2019, 7:29 PM

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be nice if there was a choice

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or they just made it better.

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i'd rather no bonus damage and just aps

marsh minnow Aug 26, 2019, 7:31 PM

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may i offer you a faster attacks support in this trying time?

hoary snow Aug 26, 2019, 7:31 PM

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what if multistrike caused you to continue to make attacks towards the closest targets within reach so long as the button was pressed, without regard to if you're moving?

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So it would be like baby-cyclone except you'd be able to use strikes with it

livid lake Aug 26, 2019, 7:34 PM

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except FA is like at most 60% increased, not more.

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i'd happily take a FA with a more aps modifier as an alternative to multi though

low kindle Aug 26, 2019, 7:40 PM

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FA effect diminishes greatly as you get attack speed

marsh minnow Aug 26, 2019, 7:46 PM

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its the only other support gem that modifies AS positively though 🤷

compact junco Aug 26, 2019, 7:47 PM

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culling strike with qual 👌

marsh minnow Aug 26, 2019, 7:48 PM

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yeah i guess there's a few others if you count quality

lucid stone Aug 26, 2019, 9:56 PM

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What is this card

vast berry Aug 26, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Super rare

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:44 PM

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We need a new belt seriously. Community is too obsessed with headhunter sooooooo many headhunter related items

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 11:45 PM

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Idk I'm enjoying gluttony

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It's hands down my most used unique belt

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:45 PM

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whats it good for

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:45 PM

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i'd love a belt that would make people second guess using headhunter. Not better then HH mind you just something that is in direct competition with and would give people pause

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:45 PM

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I've only seen like 1 build that uses Gluttony

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something like cwdt flicker

silver kettle Aug 26, 2019, 11:47 PM

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it's neat on a lot of gladiator builds. perma proc your extra block chance

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:47 PM

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🤔

silver kettle Aug 26, 2019, 11:47 PM

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tbh I think it's underrated just looking at the stats it gives though. can be a low opportunity cost solution to sustain problems

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 11:47 PM

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I tend to do fast hitting builds with life on hit

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:47 PM

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"low opportunity cost"

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Lvl 30 poacher on hit is godsend for me

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:48 PM

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like, losing all armour and es and taking damage on movement skill is a bit of a cost

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:48 PM

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could never use gluttony i don't do evasion builds

silver kettle Aug 26, 2019, 11:48 PM

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the damage on movement skill is not really a cost, it's so small. losing armour and ES can be, it depends on the build

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:49 PM

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what also sucks a bit is the sustain tanks on things with curse resist

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 11:50 PM

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It applies to hexproof tho

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:51 PM

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yeah that much is nice

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you wont straight up lose 3/4 of your lgoh against a map mod

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or a rare

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 11:51 PM

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And yeah you don't care about armour and es on evasion builds

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:51 PM

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whatever it is that gives hexproof

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yeah... but then you gotta be playing evasion and thats in the part of the tree without life :(

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:52 PM

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i always wanted to make a cyclone gluttony build for the lols but never got around to it

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Seiously

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Am I the only one who has no issues with getting decent life on evasion builds?

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:52 PM

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i mean probably not but consider this: I play memey builds that struggle for good damage in the first place

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having to path more or gear more to have good life too sucks

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 11:53 PM

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M8

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I play nothing but meme

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Just stick to the general rule of 150% life on tree and you're good

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:54 PM

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yeah part of why i personally hate life nodes so much. Not enough of them across the tree and you need them so badly. It really puts a constraint on the number of viable paths to take. If your tree isn't going directly past life nodes your builds gonna suck

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:54 PM

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150% life imo is not good unless you have life on like, every piece of gear

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 11:55 PM

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You don't?

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:55 PM

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high life at that, expensive gear

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:55 PM

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u n i q u e s

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:56 PM

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200% works okay but even without super high life gear your hovering at 5000 life with that. Ugh life nodes

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Oh sorry I assumed you people know how to dodge templarLul

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:56 PM

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I like surviving the cauldron doedre fight

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:57 PM

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"I like surviving"

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Never had problems with it

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Evasion is so rng without a ton of invest. You gotta pray to rngesus that hit actually gets evaded and don't kill you

wild arch Aug 26, 2019, 11:58 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:58 PM

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armour/life/ES is way eaiser to manage as its not rng

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:59 PM

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also because its much more visibly effective

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:59 PM

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indeed you see what you get.

proven wadi Aug 26, 2019, 11:59 PM

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evasion/dodge is just like "im not taking damage" "oh never mind"

fair prairie Aug 26, 2019, 11:59 PM

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i think that's why i don't have issue when so many people are crying about things being over tuned

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:00 AM

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It's the exact opposite for me

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:00 AM

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I simply don't die because i use the superior survivability method versus the rng method which results in you getting bursted down

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:00 AM

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I just go evasion glass cannon and never have any of the survivability issues people complain about

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:01 AM

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its true, if you kill before you are killed you wont die

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unless theye xplode on your arse lol

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:02 AM

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I say glass cannon but I rarely do enough damage tbh

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:02 AM

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so your just a glass shotgun

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 12:02 AM

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i tend to play glass pistols

native sonnet Aug 27, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Prefer glass nerf gun

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 12:03 AM

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ah so you too have played rat nuke

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:03 AM

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I once did a literal shotgun build

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That was fun

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 12:03 AM

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was this before shotgunning was killed

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Chin sol caustic arrow with all the projectiles

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 12:04 AM

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ah

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:04 AM

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I like the builds that can't die but then people laugh at me and say i suck cause it takes so long to kill things. Granted POE is built in a way that makes it more true. Death means so little unless your playing HC that death doesn't really hurt your returns any so being a slow tanky build don't mean much like it does in other ARPGs with stiffer death penalities to your loot.

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 12:04 AM

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man i want to do something like shrapnel shot mines but its sooo annoying to scale SS

native sonnet Aug 27, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Tried that, didn’t like the clear

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:05 AM

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I wonder if people would stop being so zoom zoom if they started to put a stacking quantity debuff for x amount of time after each death.... nah people would just logout macro harder lol

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:05 AM

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I think it's about time to do a full tank assassin viper strike

native sonnet Aug 27, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Pretty happy with most of my builds’ tank ones and dps

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Tankiness*

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But I also toss a ton of currency at them usually

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:07 AM

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oh yeah any build can be both if you got a mirror to spend

native sonnet Aug 27, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Just gotta toss currency at it till it works

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:08 AM

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i usually get bored within a couple of weeks though so i don't tend to get that high on the currency list

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:08 AM

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I never get anything more than 30 chaos

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I rely on picking up any scraps my friends throw in the guild stash

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:08 AM

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i did great this league but this league my favorite build was meta and lets be honest... loot was stupid this league too

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Every map felt like i was going threw a episode of hoarders

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Best I had was a bit over 500pdps hammer a friend found

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:10 AM

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i crafted a 900DPS Axe this league that had endurance on stun and culling strike on it

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pure phys cyclone stunned so often i didn't realize until i used that axe

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infinite full endurance charge. was fun

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fortify prolly would of been better, but it was still a good axe

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 12:12 AM

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nuts

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:13 AM

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yeah the guy i gave it to when i quit was pretty happy lol

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don't play standard so i always just traditionally give all my crap away after im done with the league

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Are they revealing the poison gems later today or tomorrow?

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:15 AM

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soon i hope, there has been 0 hype on poison stuff yet

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 12:15 AM

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ggg lemme know

silver kettle Aug 27, 2019, 12:15 AM

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today. should be within the next 4 hours

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although it sounds like it won't be all of them today

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Well at least something

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Because atm I'm torn between poison cyclone and blade flurry

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:16 AM

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i thought about poison cyclone just wasn't sure how viable it would be

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 12:17 AM

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id do poison cyclone... with binos

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what are the odds they rework binos

silver kettle Aug 27, 2019, 12:18 AM

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ooh that would be nice

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:18 AM

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oh yeah with range thing dagger cyclone could work huh. That's just bonus attack range from the start

silver kettle Aug 27, 2019, 12:18 AM

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doesn't even need a rework, just an attack speed mod

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and we're done

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:19 AM

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As things are right now I'd rather have a claw over a dagger tbh

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Clawclone

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 12:19 AM

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binos.... and wasp nest

dusty cove Aug 27, 2019, 12:20 AM

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90% the reworked items are about minions

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Doesn't having a second weapon now days hurt your dps if the two weapons damages are not close to eachother?

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Ah good they replaced the 100% chance to poison with +50% poison multi

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 12:21 AM

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cobra lash is for daggers! yessss

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:21 AM

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lol what are the odds of it popping up like that as we was discussing it

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blood genius GGG Spys

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 12:24 AM

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pestilence strike w/worms soon

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make those minutes-long poisons count

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Oh man pestilence is my kind of jam

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And boy does nightblade support sound good for a varunastra build vanity

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:26 AM

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just gonna use that and do a dagger/claw poison cyclone 😛

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Bruuuuuh

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Nightblade varunastra sunder

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 12:29 AM

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that video kinda makes the skills look bad, I hope the person playing is just poorly itemized or has a bad build cause those attacks took forever to kill those whites

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Not 1 shot? tooooo slow

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what was that 10k dps?

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Yeah these showcase clips are always painfully slow

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But that's necessary to show off the actual skills

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I'd be attacking at least like 10 times faster vanity

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 12:56 AM

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so this elusive buff, it decays over time?

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and you can't refresh until it expires?

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or does more elusiveness refresh the buff in an adding power kind of way

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base crit and lots of crit multi sounds good on nightblade support but if the crit multi decays then it sounds pretty bad

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if you have to wait for it to hit 0 at least

lyric ore Aug 27, 2019, 1:05 AM

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from the video it looked like youve got to wait until it hits 0 to regain it

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:05 AM

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blehhhhhhhhhhh

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time based buffs are no fun

lyric ore Aug 27, 2019, 1:06 AM

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yeah, did they not learn from elementalist shit

silver kettle Aug 27, 2019, 1:06 AM

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someone at GGG really loves cycling buffs

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not only elementalist, guardian and chieftain but the elder guardian weapons

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and now this

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🤷

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:07 AM

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at least this one's frontloaded?

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for phasing bosses it might not hurt so much

lyric ore Aug 27, 2019, 1:07 AM

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wait a few seconds before engaging every pack 4hed

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:07 AM

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for packs you don't really need more dps usually though

lyric ore Aug 27, 2019, 1:07 AM

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movespeed and dodge though

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:07 AM

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if you get elusive on crit and it gives crit multi with elusive, do you have the crit multi the first time you crit?

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:07 AM

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that dodge is the biggest trap

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because it decays too

lyric ore Aug 27, 2019, 1:07 AM

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yeah

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maybe assassin has something better

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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it sounds like it should work well with flameblast type builds

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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15% dodge for one millisecond then it starts dropping

lyric ore Aug 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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you can cancel it early using the movement skill

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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it's not 20% dodge?

lyric ore Aug 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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movement skill - lose all elusive then gain full stack of elusive
use skill - lose all elusive

placid grotto Aug 27, 2019, 1:08 AM

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I'd rather it functioned similar to Virulence. Why couldn't they like that instead of timers

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:09 AM

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if there's decent buff effect scaling it could be situationally good though

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:09 AM

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yeah but you dont get buff effect from anywhere

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:09 AM

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but I'm still against timed buffs as a concept

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:09 AM

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except one sword

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:09 AM

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they might add an elusive buff effect

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then again, they might not

silver kettle Aug 27, 2019, 1:10 AM

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it depends how many sources of elusive there are that actually do refresh the buff as well

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cause withering step refreshes it

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and presumably doesn't have that long a cooldown

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:10 AM

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withering step seems like a pita even if its instant

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:10 AM

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it sounds like that's not intended to be a constant refresh thing, since it's got a cooldown that works like steelskin does

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:10 AM

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dodge as a temporary buff is like, all wrong

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ech

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:11 AM

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yeah, nobody wants to buff a probability when they need immediate defense

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:12 AM

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its hilarious because things like molten shell and steelskin are probably more effective at keeping an evasion build alive than a temporary dodge buff

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cause ehp

placid grotto Aug 27, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Isn't Steelskin just HP?

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:13 AM

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yea

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the "e" is for "effective" or something

tough roost Aug 27, 2019, 1:15 AM

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eHP means your effective life pool based on your sources of mitigation

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Since Steelskin and Molten Shell give 'shields' You treat that as an increase to your base hp

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As your mitigations will apply to those buffs

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:25 AM

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The picture for the announcement in #old-game-news is wrong. owo

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Am I imagining things or does it look like in that new video there is portion of the UI edited out between the action bar and the health potions, just above the Exp bar. Like there is suppose to be a large action bar there

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nvm its just the video is terrible resolution

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Shockwave + Close Combat + Nightblade Varunastra

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Shockwave and close combat don't work that well together

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But either of them together with nightblade would be sick

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 1:50 AM

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nightblade close combat clawclone

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Close combat is swords/axes tho

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Imagine if attack daggers weren't complete garbage templarSad

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:55 AM

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gotta use it with dagger axes or fleshrippers :P

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:55 AM

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What if dagger axes counted as daggers

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:55 AM

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What if daggers counted as legitimate weapons templarLul

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I just checked the trade site

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Highest dps daggers are nothing but white wind sitting at a bit over 500

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And the claw market is saturated with 700+ dps metacrafts

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:57 AM

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shush, I want to use daggers in blight, don't make them expensive!

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Why would they ever be expensive

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:58 AM

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'member loath bane

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if poison's good, almost all the dagger passives also give poison

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so it's free poison

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Eh

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I can guarantee foils will still be better for poison

rugged locust Aug 27, 2019, 1:58 AM

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and cobra lash looks like it doesn't really need weapon range

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:59 AM

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It's just a slightly fancier spectral throw

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So all you need is a bit of projectile speed

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:59 AM

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More spectral throw if you get the return passive.

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I wonder how good it is with gloomfang

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 2:00 AM

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If you ever buy one for 20+ exalt let me know templarthumbsup

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 2:01 AM

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What

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Gloomfang cobra lash with a claw to offset the life loss

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It's obviously gonna skyrocket in price

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Well I'll just play mines and cry on standard with my gloomfangs there.

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Well, how hard is it to get a elder guard drop?

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Standard

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 2:02 AM

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How expensive did yoke get?

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Hey if you don't play standard, I'll gladly play it for you. :P

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If you catch my drift. owo

tall patrol Aug 27, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Ew standard templarSad

fair prairie Aug 27, 2019, 2:19 AM

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standard it would be fun if it didn't have a broken economy and feel like it was a patch behind because it doesn't get the new league stuff

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Playing in standard is like playing on a computer 2 generations older. You can do it, but why

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Cause you have all your fun items from previous leagues

past badger Aug 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Dunno why players carry on about std players. I mean, play what you like/want.

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 4:27 AM

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neat caster staff buff

vast gazelle Aug 27, 2019, 4:40 AM

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exaltThink cold to chaos white wind cobra lash build

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 4:43 AM

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i have decided to play cobra lash simply because daggers cool

vast gazelle Aug 27, 2019, 5:13 AM

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im leaning on new skill because it tends to be OP

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or doing something that should be broken with blight like brands

static token Aug 27, 2019, 5:28 AM

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New melee abilities are much less likely to be OP. I mean we had Blade Flurry. But most new ones since have at least not launched OP. They were later buffed to be decent in some cases. Spec shield throw, Lacerate, Perforate, Tectonic slam, Lancing steel, Shattering steel all mostly flopped at launch.

low kindle Aug 27, 2019, 5:28 AM

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Perforate TERALUL

static token Aug 27, 2019, 5:30 AM

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For a level 1 ability it wasn't THAT bad. At least when I was leveling. Quickly replaced though.

low kindle Aug 27, 2019, 5:30 AM

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The most annoying thing is that it deals less single target in blood stance

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At least while levelling

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 5:30 AM

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what is even up with that

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is it just an awful pattern or something

low kindle Aug 27, 2019, 5:31 AM

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The spike logic is absolute 1Head

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Idk if increased area helps, maybe it does

static token Aug 27, 2019, 5:34 AM

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I guess I forgot about Bladestorm, like everyone else. I never touched it. Just watching it be played looked painful.

worthy basalt Aug 27, 2019, 5:40 AM

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its good

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feels very smooth

paper surge Aug 27, 2019, 9:21 AM

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Hey guys - in the original Blight announcement page, it states: "Blight adds a new poison themed Support Gem and a suite of five potent new poison-themed Skill Gems".

Do you think they meant "Nightblade Support" for this new "poison themed Support Gem", or can we expect an actual poison support?

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I'm getting all confused since they keep referring to things as "Assassin Skill Gems", which in my eyes means they probably just mean anything that's related to the ascendancy aka Nightblade is somehow a Poison Support Gem.

velvet palm Aug 27, 2019, 9:43 AM

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It has nothing to do with poison so i doubt it's the poison support

patent canyon Aug 27, 2019, 10:38 AM

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its ass gems since they relate to elusive buff

paper surge Aug 27, 2019, 11:31 AM

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Let's just hope there's another support gem then 😄

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Kinda want one that can be used for the bow-skills as well.

barren crescent Aug 27, 2019, 12:43 PM

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If assassin has better crit = Poison related stats, then yes

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:02 PM

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i still dont see the advantage of assassin over PF for poison tbh. like, yeah, it will have more damage, but assassin always had more damage, but not having prolif is still 👎 from me. but at least it is usable with like cobra lash, and maybe some other skills that hit a lot of stuff and umm, asenaths gentle touch

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:03 PM

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Prolif one poison

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:04 PM

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yeah, and even that is very significant improvement for clear with poison

barren crescent Aug 27, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Cobra slash doesnt need prolif tho

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:05 PM

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yeah that is why i mentioned it

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but even with cobra lash it would improve clear by a bit, because prolif just deletes packs

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im going to run ass with cobra lash as second char with asenaths to at least try it most likely, but first one will be PF

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Pestilent strike is kinda like poor man's prolif

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Pestilence is a rare nuke skill

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Hit the pack with some long poisons and then hit em with the ol pestilence

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Or just hit them with a few pestilences

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:17 PM

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So it does base damage based on the total latent poison damage

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On kill

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Yeah, finally a skill that makes long poisons good

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:18 PM

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So does it count as a hit, or is it pure dot?

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:18 PM

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It has a hit

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If that hit kills then it does a dot iirc

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Is the hit scaled by total poison damage?

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Like the explosion on kill

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I think it's just a strong DoT.

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:19 PM

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The dot doesn't scale off your poison mods since it was already scaled once when applying the poisons

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Yes but it gets base damage based on the poison

languid path Aug 27, 2019, 1:19 PM

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it's poison prolif similar to current pathfinder node

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Wondering if you can get large single hit damage

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It's not a poison, though

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:20 PM

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It's definitely not as simple as poison prolif

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:20 PM

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It's a separate DoT, right?

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Pretty sure

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:21 PM

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It sums together some portion of all the poison damage that would happen if it went its full duration, then combines it into one DoT that's applied with this explosion that may or may not hit.

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If it hits, and the hit gets bigger with poison, you might be able to scale ignite on it as well.

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Or other ailments.

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:21 PM

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its dot, so not sure how would you scale ignite from it

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Is the explosion a hit that applies DoT, or just a DoT?

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:22 PM

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dot right from beginning

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Alright then. Nevermind.

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:22 PM

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they explode, releasing a nova that applies a damage over time effect to all enemies in range

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:23 PM

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You need like the opposite of worm jar for this

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:23 PM

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but also, noone is going to use that skill outside of leveling

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most likely

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Something that takes a lot of hits and then dies after a duration next to a boss

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Mmm, I think it has some meme build potential.

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Well if you apply a single loooooong poison with pestilence on a worm it could do a decent dot to a boss, maybe

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:25 PM

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how will you apply that poison to worm

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without hitting and killing it

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Unless it being destroyed on hit prevents it from having the on kill effect

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:26 PM

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usually when you one shot stuff, ailment is not applied

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:26 PM

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No

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HoI autobombers are a thing

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:26 PM

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well, it do not works for bleed for example

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:26 PM

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Inpulsas too, which requires shock

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Doesn't work with bleed? So one shots don't get bleed explosions?

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:27 PM

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yep

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Wow lame

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 1:27 PM

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yeah so i assume both poison and ignite are same

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:27 PM

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I think its cause elemental ailments do stuff to corpses but not bleed or poison

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You never have a bleeding corpse iirc

languid path Aug 27, 2019, 1:28 PM

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no because the coprse already lose all of its life when it die vanity

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:29 PM

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What if one of the poison gems is a chaos mine

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Probably

lucid stone Aug 27, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Mines this weeek

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Alright so if I understood it correctly, pestilence is like herald of ash, but instead of overkill it scales off how much poison was ticking on the target

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Seems like it

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:44 PM

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And it doesn't scale in any way because it's sort of like a dot impale

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You already scaled the poisons so it's just going off of that

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Wonder if it's best not to have any supports on pestilence, like if damage supports won't work on it's dot

patent kraken Aug 27, 2019, 1:48 PM

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I wonder did the blight league creep is same difficulties with legion or more tank?

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 1:53 PM

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They say the enemies are abnormally tough so I'm thinking probably pretty tanky

patent kraken Aug 27, 2019, 1:55 PM

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So the wise choice of builds we playing. Is better get the chaos damage build?

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Since it ignore es lol

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:55 PM

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I don't really see why you wouldn't use pestilence as your main skill

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Unless it's something dumb like viper strike and tag

patent kraken Aug 27, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Viper strike bino

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Boom shakalaka

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:56 PM

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That's the exact same thing with less button presses

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I was about to say you could use a better dagger with pestilence but better daggers don't exist templarLul

patent kraken Aug 27, 2019, 1:57 PM

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In which way? "better dagger"

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 1:58 PM

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In a they're all shit kind of way

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Anyway

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Don't see any issues with just going main 6 link claw pestilence

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Unless the damage scaling on the main hit is abysmal

barren crescent Aug 27, 2019, 2:01 PM

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wdym dagger

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its all claw

wild arch Aug 27, 2019, 2:02 PM

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This guy gets it

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Shut

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Daggers will reign, Mark my words

barren crescent Aug 27, 2019, 2:07 PM

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I'd love some dagger action

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but it all sucks

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Don't they have attack daggers now

torpid sonnet Aug 27, 2019, 2:10 PM

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no they have spell daggers

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 2:11 PM

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I mean, daggers that only roll attack mods

torpid sonnet Aug 27, 2019, 2:11 PM

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no, there are daggers that only roll spell mods

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 2:11 PM

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And daggers that roll both? And that's it?

torpid sonnet Aug 27, 2019, 2:11 PM

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yep

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 2:11 PM

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chrisThinking

torpid sonnet Aug 27, 2019, 2:11 PM

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staves have bases that only roll attack mods

static token Aug 27, 2019, 2:11 PM

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What dagger only rolls spell?

torpid sonnet Aug 27, 2019, 2:12 PM

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oh hang on I'm fucking wrong

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sorry @proven wadi

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"While most dagger basetypes can roll both spell and attack related affixes, the following bases can not roll spell related ones: Skinning Knife, Sai, Poignard, Gutting Knife, Trisula, Ambusher, Flaying Knife, Prong Dagger, Stiletto."

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Mhm

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So if daggers are lacking in power they just have to improve base stats a little

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Or the mod rolls

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Or the dagger nodes

static token Aug 27, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Was it the claw implicit that made them better or the higher aps?

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Or tree support I guess, I don't melee so I haven't compared them in years

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Probably easy leech and lgoh

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Mana sustain made simple

barren crescent Aug 27, 2019, 2:46 PM

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We've also added Poison Damage over Time Multiplier to many passives, and changed many sources of Chaos Damage over Time Multiplier so they aren't restricted to non-ailments.

Poison's dmg seems to be in check again

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 2:52 PM

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yeah that change is pretty huge

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i wonder if they will also change the malevolence nacdot mod

vast berry Aug 27, 2019, 3:09 PM

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ye its the lgoh and/or mgoh

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if you are claw you usually get decnt aps

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so that lgoh is non-zero recovery

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also the noes on the tree are insane

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covers so much utility

devout pivot Aug 27, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Is 2h crit cyclone playable in the 3.8 patch?

fallen tulip Aug 27, 2019, 4:34 PM

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phys or ele? because we dont know if they'll be nerfing Impale

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or how

static token Aug 27, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Without notes it's just a guess. But come on, it's still going to be fine.

vivid magnet Aug 27, 2019, 4:43 PM

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fellas hear this out - Death's oath withering step

fallen tulip Aug 27, 2019, 4:50 PM

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I wonder if Ichimonjis 10% increased Effect of Buffs on you affects Elusive

hollow sapphire Aug 27, 2019, 4:50 PM

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its a buff

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so yes

fallen tulip Aug 27, 2019, 4:55 PM

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no but Elusive duration is based on its buff effectiveness

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so is it just 10% added on whatever the source of Elusive is

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so it always starts at 10% + whatever the source is

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or does it scale the source by 10%

hollow sapphire Aug 27, 2019, 4:56 PM

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it does both yo ucan literally read that

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This means that increasing your buff effect also increases how long the effect on you lasts.

fallen tulip Aug 27, 2019, 4:56 PM

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where can i read that

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neat ichimonjis have a use now

static token Aug 27, 2019, 4:57 PM

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"The new Elusive buff grants 40% increased movement speed as well as 20% attack and spell dodge. Unlike other buffs, Elusive doesn't have a duration, but instead loses buff over time, until it is removed on reaching 0% effect. This means that increasing your buff effect also increases how long the effect on you lasts. Most sources of Elusive won't overwrite an existing Elusive buff on you. "

vestal escarp Aug 27, 2019, 5:17 PM

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I don't like elusive tbh

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its sort of neat but all this %chance stuff is annoying

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just give me hard numbers

static token Aug 27, 2019, 5:25 PM

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In POE, were nearly every number we have is an educated guess.

barren crescent Aug 27, 2019, 6:21 PM

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@vivid magnet that sounds like a nice addition to working build

low kindle Aug 27, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Occultist can already wither stuff around her

wary smelt Aug 27, 2019, 7:23 PM

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imma just use it on my necro build

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for extra movespeed

patent canyon Aug 27, 2019, 7:24 PM

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why not just phase run

wary smelt Aug 27, 2019, 7:31 PM

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why not both

patent canyon Aug 27, 2019, 7:32 PM

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cancels each other out

wary smelt Aug 27, 2019, 7:32 PM

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did they say that? should be able to withering then phase no?

compact junco Aug 27, 2019, 7:33 PM

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it works almost exactly like phase run except its cd do not recovers

wary smelt Aug 27, 2019, 7:34 PM

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oh it cancels when u use skill...

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rip there goes my idea

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maybe can use in a cwdt setup

grizzled moth Aug 27, 2019, 9:07 PM

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can you RF before getting elusive and keep both RF and the effect of elusive?

patent canyon Aug 27, 2019, 9:07 PM

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yeah

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 9:08 PM

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No reason you couldn't

grizzled moth Aug 27, 2019, 9:09 PM

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I won't be touching RF but could be some use to skills that work in a similar way

patent canyon Aug 27, 2019, 9:09 PM

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what do you mean

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elusive is just a buff

grizzled moth Aug 27, 2019, 9:10 PM

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oh, am I thinking of withering step that grants phase run too? I have been at work all day and not really read much on it

patent canyon Aug 27, 2019, 9:10 PM

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it doesnt

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it just gives ms and dodge

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Phase run =/= phasing

patent canyon Aug 27, 2019, 9:10 PM

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not same as phase run

grizzled moth Aug 27, 2019, 9:10 PM

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i'm a ball of confusion atm I guess - also it's hot so my mind is melting

proven wadi Aug 27, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Withering step is a skill that has an event like phase run though, in the sense that using another skill cancels it

patent canyon Aug 27, 2019, 9:11 PM

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think of it as fortify

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all you need is just fortify source, literally any build can get it with no limitations

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same with elusive, as long as you have it source nothing limits it

ebon fiber Aug 27, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Do we know if cold slow/freeze will affect all league mechanic minions? Might make TD stuff easier.

proven wadi Aug 28, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Hm. Better zombie, better skelly

wild arch Aug 28, 2019, 12:05 AM

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That explains the dashing skellies from preview clip

hoary snow Aug 28, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Yeah, I feel bad for the people who wasted their time with necro this league

proven wadi Aug 28, 2019, 12:06 AM

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How did they waste time

hoary snow Aug 28, 2019, 12:13 AM

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I'm the type that likes to avoid repeating builds frequently, so doing one in this league and then doing the same again but better next league wouldn't be as fun for me I suppose

wild arch Aug 28, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Oh shit

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I might finally have a way of doing a legit death knight build

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The plan was to make a viper strike build that focuses purely on hits instead of poison

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And instead have zombies that poison for you

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Although on second thought worm commander might be better suited for this

sour mountain Aug 28, 2019, 12:42 AM

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it sounds like you just want to play the um

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combat commander archetype they added in... 3.5? 3.6? with guardian

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i would probably recommend going the other way; focus on making your attacks debuff enemies while the zombies have the bonuses that benefit from them

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like you apply Bleeding on your mainskill, while your minions have Bloodlust

wild arch Aug 28, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Can you even use bloodlust on minions?

sour mountain Aug 28, 2019, 12:45 AM

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i am not sure

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i think you would be allowed to, as linking Bloodlust to Raise Zombie would affect the Raised Zombie's melee attack

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i was planning on having my broteam leader use something like Lancing Steel, Chance to Bleed Support, Maim Support
and then give the broteam Bloodlust

wild arch Aug 28, 2019, 12:48 AM

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Huh

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Zombie gem change is a massive buff to baron builds

sour mountain Aug 28, 2019, 12:48 AM

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assuming baron isn't changed, yeah

lucid stone Aug 28, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Poison minions + pestillent strike scourge?

wild arch Aug 28, 2019, 12:49 AM

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No wait they supposedly got rid of the damage reduction per zombie

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Unless they put it on something else

sour mountain Aug 28, 2019, 12:49 AM

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what does pestilent strike do

lucid stone Aug 28, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Waiting for INT baron or iron commander for skitters

sour mountain Aug 28, 2019, 12:50 AM

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cobra strike could be fun maybe

lucid stone Aug 28, 2019, 12:50 AM

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It does DoT based on your latent poison

wild arch Aug 28, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Imagine an infernal blow debuff, but it does a chaos dot based on how much poison you stacked

sour mountain Aug 28, 2019, 12:50 AM

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surprised they don't outright make EK based off weapon damage

lucid stone Aug 28, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Spell based on weapon damage?

wild arch Aug 28, 2019, 12:51 AM

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OH

sour mountain Aug 28, 2019, 12:51 AM

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nah, make it like Cobra Strike

wild arch Aug 28, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Thinking about worm commander made me realize something