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[minor oyster]

unless it actually lights up the skill on your passive tree

[vast berry]

i would also assume that

it is giving you the named notable

[eager terrace]

well... it says it allocates the node

[vast berry]

similar to the named keystones

it has nothing to do with the tree

[mystic sparrow]

i'm guessing for now that it hinges on what "allocates" does

[minor oyster]

so here's my problem with it 'allocating the node' and why i don't think it 'actually' does that

[mystic sparrow]

if it physically puts the point into your tree

[minor oyster]

if it was normal allocation, you could spend skill points and path out from it

[mystic sparrow]

or just acts like it without any visual change on the tree

[minor oyster]

then take the neck off and keep those points

[eager terrace]

no that isn't true

[minor oyster]

there's no way they would let that happen

[eager terrace]

because something like intuitive leap specifically states it allows you to allocate unconnected nodes

these enchants do not say that

[minor oyster]

you could jump alllllll over the tree

[eager terrace]

but they do say they allocate a specific node

[vast berry]

why would that work after you took it odff

obviusly it would work like scion if you changed the start point it removes that part of the tree

[minor oyster]

what I'm saying is there's no way they would let that rock

[eager terrace]

these enchants do not say you can allocate unconnected nodes

so otherwise tree rules remain in place

[vast berry]

assuming it allocated physical on the tree and allows for branching

[minor oyster]

I highly doubt it works like that

[vast berry]

which i dont think it wil

i think it will exactly like all keystones on items

[minor oyster]

right

[vast berry]

which is still very strong

grab assassinate or dismeboweling

EZ crit

like if you are melee crit over by assassin

[eager terrace]

I think it will in practice work kind of like that

[vast berry]

get disemboweling ez

would be great

[eager terrace]

but it will probably light the node up in the tree because they have other notable-modifying effects

otherwise there is no reason to use the word allocate

[quiet geyser]

Yea i mean if you could brachn from that, No Caster would have Life Problems free 50% Cluster with No travel nodes.

[vast berry]

25% multi and 50% chance on your amulet

[quiet geyser]

Prpbebpy Not gonne Happen

[eager terrace]

they aren't going to let you path either way

not without already being connected anyway

on one side

[vast berry]

i am gonna guess right now

mortal conviction is NOT one of the options

[quiet geyser]

Would be way to crazy.

[vast berry]

becuase that would be...

[eager terrace]

well mortal conviction is a keystone

so no

[vast berry]

its not

[eager terrace]

it is in fact

[vast berry]

is POB wrong?

[placid grotto]

I'm pretty sure it is

[eager terrace]

PoB shows it as a keystone

this was changed in 3.7

[quiet geyser]

Did you update to 3.7?

[vast berry]

alright so

old computer situation

sorry

[eager terrace]

the other reason I expect the node to show as lit in the tree

[placid grotto]

I think that was a bug? What does it show Phase Acro?

[eager terrace]

is that they need a way to show the hidden notable effects

so those need to "appear" somewhere

[vast berry]

man i really do see builds using all the uniques

notables are insanely strong

usualy just stats but some can be more build defining

[quiet geyser]

If you could branch of that it would trivialise character choice, its very very unlikely.

[eager terrace]

I don't think lit means branch

[vast berry]

ye i seriously doubt it

[eager terrace]

allocation does not imply that directly

[placid grotto]

Mortal Conviction is a keystone passive skill

[eager terrace]

it's why intuitive leap wording is more specific

[placid grotto]

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Mortal_Conviction

[vast berry]

we alreay settled this tralf

i went back to school so i went back to my PC which i hadnt used since may

[placid grotto]

Oh didn't update

[vast berry]

ye didnt use it all summber

i honestly expect most good notables to just be crit and life

assassination, true strike, disemboweling

[eager terrace]

there are some obvious ones yes

[vast berry]

i wonder if we get the more specific ones

[eager terrace]

+1 curse, constitution, soul of steel, assassination, throatseeker, heartseeker

[vast berry]

like weapon types

oh ye the +1 curse is insane

[quiet geyser]

I would guess the ones wich give crit multi and weapon DMG.

[eager terrace]

I think we'll get all notables probably

[vast berry]

can stack with corruption

+2 CURSE AMULET 10 MIRRORS

[quiet geyser]

All These 20 crit multi 25% DMG with swords.

[vast berry]

see like

[eager terrace]

there are some other more specific good ones

[vast berry]

claw is ONLY good with the nodes around assassin

[eager terrace]

like the heart of X element nodes which are inefficient paths

[vast berry]

but NOW

just get them all with items

😛

[eager terrace]

or I could finally get flash freeze for freezing pulse

hiding way down in ranger area

[quiet geyser]

Still betting on that crazy vaaranustra build

[vast berry]

ye winter spirit could be good

oh ye varunastra could be neat

but tbj, the specific crit notables arent WAY beter than the generic ones

[honest dune]

+1 curse is probably gonna be the Most sought after tbh

[vast berry]

hm

[eager terrace]

it certainly will be up there especially for anyone on the lower half of the tree

[vast berry]

backstabbing and fatal blade are pretty good

[honest dune]

They are good ye but builds who would want that node would path there anyway

[placid grotto]

Wonder what the tier breakdown will be

[quiet geyser]

There are many good ones ^^

[vast berry]

so 12 oils right?

[honest dune]

But +1 curse is useful for everyone, and its hiding up in witch area

[vast berry]

so 1728 options?

🤔

[quiet geyser]

Yea +1 curse is Strong but not needed.

Its 374 or Something like that.

The Order doesnt Matter.

[placid grotto]

There are but the ingredients are varying rarity

[vast berry]

ah yes

order doesnt matter

stats class

hold on

npr?

or is it the ()/()

[quiet geyser]

Chriss answered that somewere.

[honest dune]

Constitution will definitely be big aswell

[placid grotto]

I'm most interested in the cold conversion node

[vast berry]

meh

[honest dune]

So many ranger/shadow build that struggles to get there

[vast berry]

watcjers did a good job of converting

[honest dune]

And have shit life as a result

[quiet geyser]

ITS i Thing (12!-3!)/9! Or sinilar dont know in my head

[vast berry]

i immediately forgot stats class

[placid grotto]

I'm cheap tho

[vast berry]

from last semester

😛

[rain saddle]

Stupid question, anyone know when blight league starts?

[honest dune]

In 15 days afaik

[rain saddle]

awesome thanks

[honest dune]

6th september

[quiet geyser]

Just Go in the Front Page of the Game xD

Theres a Countdown

[rain saddle]

I said it was a stupid question lol

[honest dune]

I want to say there are no stupid questions but then i remember a few ive seen before ^^

[rain saddle]

Should I use my mirror on one of my glacier maps?

[honest dune]

Like someone asking in early legion why his atziris flask wouldnt work on his pure phys character with brutality

[rain saddle]

I mean that's a mechanics question. Game is deep I guess i could kinda see someone not knowing that

[honest dune]

Or seeing people on poe.ninja taking slayers crit node AND RT

[deep fiber]

The crit node also gives -30% extra damage taken from crits. So it's a defensive choice (?).

[midnight phoenix]

A lot of the ppl that take the crit node and rt are using a timeless jewel above rt

U cant rly use keystones as pepega indicators anymore

Brutality atziri flask is still tho

[honest dune]

Ye i guess i didnt look at all of them but i dont recall seeing any "hits cant be evaded" weapons atleast

Or one guy in my guild thinking maligaros virtuosity was the shit because he got so much crit multi without investing in crit. He had around 25% crit chance with Diamond flask

[cedar pewter]

wtf

just sat down and there's a post

hype

[rocky osprey]

So uhm iron commander sentry totem to stick with ggg's sentry defense theme??

[mystic sparrow]

i'm still trying to figure out what a good endgame meme build with winterheart + icefang orbit would look like

anything that procs HoI and propagates poison would do really well

so either bino's kitchen knife, or pathfinder ascendancy

there could be a turbo-meme case is someone went with a vaal skill that poisoned and used soul ripper

but then, you're not going to see a soul ripper used seriously within the first month or so of the league

[low kindle]

problem is they need to die from a hit, not poison

[wet plaza]

Soul ripper is just too memey when the base flask guarantees uptime with enough flask effect

[loud pawn]

is infernal legion support just righteous fire for minions?

[violet nymph]

Pretty much

I kinda wanna do phantasms rf

With the explody keystone

Ohnoes yuzu shall roast me

[eager charm]

I'm offended that you think infernal legion is minion RF /s

yes, its minion RF

[loud pawn]

somebody on reddit said elementalist with golems

since they have elemental damage immunity

perma rf golems incoming

[eager charm]

if they code it as a cost then idk, but based on wording, perma RF

[loud pawn]

post says they take percentage damage as fire damage over time

so elemental damage immunity should let them have perma rf

[barren crescent]

Elementalist nerfed even more

But thats a buff to 🍿 build

[midnight phoenix]

That does sound like a cute idea

That said tho

One of the few things worse than making a bunch of minions consistently attack a target

Is keeping said minions sitting right on top of said target for an extended time

Hey look its an add lets wander over 20 metres to melee it

[loud pawn]

deathmark support

to the rescue

[wet plaza]

To the bandaid

[lucid stone]

So earendel's just got guttered?

And tavukai

Infernal Legion + HoP sounds fun

[low kindle]

I wonder if you can cancel deathmark

By using the skill on an empty place

Or somehow else

[loud pawn]

i wonder how generous the targeting will be for deathmark

if its anything like current melee namelock targeting, its gonna suck ass to use

[high ember]

I wonder if its worthy to use the golem as an extra buff for the herald of agony

[loud pawn]

probably wont be appreciable with just one minion

id guess you would use carrion golem with phys skeles or something since you get like ten skellies

[high ember]

Not planning to benefit from golem attacks, just its buff to grant “phys damage to minions”

[fickle iris]

i wonder if minion RF works on the Dancing Dervish

[loud pawn]

@high ember yeah that buff scales with number of minions as well i think

or did i read it wrong

[high ember]

Dont think so, its damage only increase by the amount of minions but the buff is fixed

[languid path]

it's a golem, if you can use it then you use it, there's no trade off, so no point in saying if it's worth

[loud pawn]

trade off is gem socket, summoners are generally socket starved

[languid path]

he's a HoAg build, he should have like two dozens empty sockets

[loud pawn]

oh true since you just need the 6l hoag right

and maybe like an ee setup?

@high ember yeah you were right, phys to other minions looks like its a fixed value

[high ember]

Sweet

[royal plaza]

Not a mechanical question, but blight related. Vagan -> Research Rank 3 . I think it will be emblems or maybe ~10% to get a timeless Jewel . any other assumption ?

just for this i will prepare a Vagan safehouse in Standart and open it when patch goes live,

[velvet palm]

Vagan in research = pure emblems

[low kindle]

maybe just timeless jewels

[wild arch]

Arakaali's spiders with feeding frenzy

[low kindle]

Herald of agony with feeding frenzy

[velvet palm]

Soulwrest

[wild arch]

How easy is it to get 200% chill effect?

On berserker specifically

New icefang orbit combined with golden rule and the reverse chill ring is permanent 10-30% more action speed

[violet nymph]

the new minion gems will probably enable a bunch of new spectres to be used

megatank life ones for meat shield

heavy damage 0 aoe ones for deathmark

proximity shield meat shield

[low kindle]

What of nacdot becomes cdot

[wild arch]

What are those tentacled machine gun bitches called

Them with death mark

Melee necro with baron meat shield zombies sounds pretty dope

And if you have akuna's you can throw in spectres of your zombies for good measure

[haughty harbor]

Tentacle miscreations?

[loud sonnet]

You can use titty shooter minions?

[silver kettle]

They're not bad

[wild arch]

Holy shit

Can't you drop meat shield in purity sentinels?

Doing a melee build and having immortal minions tank for you seems a bit op

[rough bobcat]

sentinels doesnt work like crawler?

if does then sentinels cannot taunt

[fallen tulip]

Zombies will be pretty good with enough movement speed

[wild arch]

Sentinels should be able to taunt

It's the untargetable minions that aren't allowed to taunt

[rough bobcat]

should be able to taunt, but aren't allowed to taunt

[wild arch]

Why not?

They're just normal minions

[rough bobcat]

the problem is immortality, or in other words

minions without HP should NOT taunt

wtf 😄

[wild arch]

They have hp

You just refresh them to full instead of creating new ones when you cap them

[rough bobcat]

why they have hp, when they are untargetable?

[wild arch]

They are targetable tf you on about

[rough bobcat]

didnt play with that herald

[wild arch]

The only untargetable minions are crawler and any that come from items

Essence crafts, arakaali spiders, dervishes and scourge wolves

[rough bobcat]

if sentinels would taunt, u r right, thats basically free additional IC lol

[wild arch]

Even if the purity ones can't taunt the Dom blow ones definitely should be able to

[austere anvil]

so

[quiet geyser]

Do you think the new golem would work with summon phantasm?

[fallen tulip]

sure

depends on how the more dmg scales

it'll probs be like 2% more dmg per minion

[quiet geyser]

Somewere i read up to 80% more dmg

[fallen tulip]

yeah but

per minion

80% hard cap

[quiet geyser]

But then how much per minion ^^

yea

[fallen tulip]

i can see it being anywhere between 5-10% realistically

[quiet geyser]

It would be strong tho right? If you link it with summon phantasm and it gives added dmg?

[fallen tulip]

maybe it scales with lvl

the 80% more dmg is only for the golem

[quiet geyser]

I assume 4-5% 16 minions is not that hard to get , but not everybuild will have it

yea its probebly local, global would be insane

more dmg for having more minions for free

[fallen tulip]

i heard that it'll give flat phys to minions though

so should be good support nonetheless

[quiet geyser]

Yea that what i ment, it scales the dmg of the golem and the phantasms gain dmg from the golem

[fossil shore]

I think soulwrest will be pretty damn expensive this league...

[quiet geyser]

Myb, we will se what happens

It will be probebly be one of the best staffs for the new golem

[fossil shore]

Already rare, expensive and solid item on top of a minion-buff league

[quiet geyser]

If you can cap the dmg of the new golem with Phantasm(from the staff) + Zombie meat shield , then it will be pretty expensiv

But we still dont know, what mods the necro wand can roll.

[fossil shore]

they mentioned it's a set of mods

[fallen tulip]

will golem builds switch to the new golem tho?

is it good enough with Leap + Ground Slam-ish

[fossil shore]

Hard to tell

[fallen tulip]

might be a replacement for Ice golem build atleast

[fossil shore]

Many Golem builds like mix-matching

[fallen tulip]

they usually have 4-5 of the main golem

[fossil shore]

maybe it's also capped at 1 bonyboy

[fallen tulip]

and the rest are for inc. dmg%

[fossil shore]

Yeah

[fallen tulip]

lets hope we can have more than 1 carrion golem :L

[fossil shore]

I imagine it'll be 5 fire golems and 1 bony

[quiet geyser]

Hm you can still craft weapons wich give like 80-100 minion dmg for one hand. 🤷

[fossil shore]

It's also surprisingly easy to get timeless jewels with tons of minion damage

[quiet geyser]

Yea. 240% is realy easy

you just need a position were it doesnt destorys your skillpoints

[fossil shore]

Gotta say, I love the timeless jewel feature

I'm glad they're keeping it

it's such a nice, pseudo-random element, that allows you to be creative with your builds

makes them less 1:1 and more, opportunistic

[quiet geyser]

Yea and they also keep the price of divines up ^^

Had some fun build with my pathfinder and flask effect.

And you can do some vaal builds without needing to go pathfinder

[patent canyon]

hi neversink, will there will be new blight themed style for filter?

[fossil shore]

maybe

There's a new sound-preset on filterblade, several reworks and customizer-toolbars on filterblade

[patent canyon]

cool

[quiet geyser]

But the charge gen on timeless jewels is also realy nice.

[fossil shore]

I'll see if I can time a new style in time

Yeah, I'm running endurance charge gen when hit

[quiet geyser]

nice

And the keystone are also realy fun

[fossil shore]

at the jewel slot next to MoM on one character

[quiet geyser]

20% of max life as es , in an eb mom build

[fossil shore]

that's pretty clever

didn't give it a try yet

[worldly scaffold]

OH MAN

[fossil shore]

can also be used for pure EHP

[worldly scaffold]

ALWAYSFLOAT IS HERE

[fossil shore]

ohai

[worldly scaffold]

rare sight guys take pictures

[quiet geyser]

Yea , its just 20% life for free

And if you play triggster were you regen es , you dont need to worry

[worldly scaffold]

yeah, 20% life as extra ES is really strong

but you need to remember that it makes half of your ES not work against damage

[fallen tulip]

whats the downside in that keystone?

oh that

[worldly scaffold]

when it comes to oneshots

[quiet geyser]

50% of dmg bypassed es

[worldly scaffold]

yeah

its a pretty big downside

[quiet geyser]

But in eb mom it doesnt matter.

or if you regen es and life (like trikster) its still a big buffer

and gives you 1 shot protection.

even if you have 2k es , but take 4k dmg, you will still lose all your es 🤷

[fossil shore]

Im also excited to find out what the 13 hidden new passives are

they announced in some interview that "enchanted" (oiled up?) amulets can have 13 passives, that are not usually visible on the tree

In a few leagues we'll have enchantments on every item with different methods to obtain them, that stack with quadracorruptions o.O

[quiet geyser]

Yea and syntesised unique items

[fossil shore]

I'm happy they're bringing back the synthesized bosses

I wonder if the items will be "postsynthesized" though

so the rings will have both mods unlocked

but what prefix will they have?

[quiet geyser]

I hope

[fossil shore]

1? 2? 3? random?

[quiet geyser]

myb none?

or just basic ring stuff

[fossil shore]

that'd probably be for the best

kinda hard to tell

[quiet geyser]

I mean they are all "normal" bases, so probebly they will have the normal impliced

And if they dont have 2 herald mods, they are not that great anymore

Still nice, but less nice 🤔

I just hope they bring back the syntesiser, myb limit it to 2 impliceds and nerf them ,but make them easyer to optain.

[royal plaza]

If convert all my minions phys dmg to x element (with the gloves) then hatred will not work right?

[quiet geyser]

hatred will work

[royal plaza]

thats nice , ty

[lucid stone]

I liked the craziness of top end synth items

[barren crescent]

@worldly scaffold wdym greater boyancy support is quite regular sight

[worldly scaffold]

is he? last time I've seen him was when he talked about his surgery

near betrayal

lol

[hollow osprey]

Blight mechanics? Sure then. Its a channeled skill that deals chaos DoT and applies a debuff that slows enemies

Using Blight in Blight league would be funny as fuck

[wild arch]

Thought of a funny roleplay minion build

So you have your akuna zombie meat shields following you

And you free them from their mortal shackles by turning them into aggressive burning soul wick spectres

[devout osprey]

Infernal Legion Support
The Infernal Legion support gem causes supported minions to take a large percent of their maximum life as fire damage over time. They all gain a burning damage aura, dealing fire damage over time to nearby enemies. The effect doesn't stack, but is modified by minion damage increases and other support gems.

rf minions?

i like it.

[restive trellis]

if they don't nerf the spectrenate dead build it will be really strong I think

[dusky kernel]

btw culling strike on OoS probably gonna be super good for the TD

just random thought i had

[wary smelt]

hoping there's gonna be +1 spectre veiled mod for chest

[wet plaza]

i'd be happy with it at least being obtainable via crafting

not just from delving

[wary smelt]

yea making it drop only from delving is so cancer

[proven wadi]

I wonder if blink arrow minion instability will work ok with it

The infernal legion thing

Not sure how well blink arrow clone health scales

[wet plaza]

bad

[proven wadi]

Oe

At least we might have Skelton death loops without needing a million jewels now

Right?

[kindred dagger]

Minions receiving some love, great, the new golem looks promizing and the infernal legion support as well, im a bit disapointed by the other one, we need to see numbers i supose it will be fine but especialy the deathmark, its a support gem so its sucks i hope it would be a, independant skill for we can force ALL our minions to focus a target with some bonus 😦

Overall it feels good

[violet nymph]

I'm just hyped for some speedy zombies/skellies and for necro overhaul overall, was a while since I played necromancer builds other than SRS

Maybe even a golemancer

[fallen tulip]

i'm excited to make full Melee minion necromancer

it will probs be shit in the end

[devout osprey]

nah

well idk maybe

the super annoying things about summoning builds is fixed so... again. maybe

[wet plaza]

doubt it

[barren crescent]

Imagine if all minions gained movement speed per gem level

[worn hill]

i think it's a support gem so your meat shield zombies wont run off and attack them as well

[vast berry]

I highly doubt necro will out do cyclone

We will have a lot of poison assassin

Which will most likely be "stronger" than summoner

So the meta chasers will be there

[worn hill]

as if cyclone wont get its knees broken

[worn hill]

i expect the three new things to all be heavily played

[wary smelt]

guessing necro will be the least played of the 3

[placid badge]

miners are awesome

[warped lodge]

it will.

[kindred dagger]

Clearly necro will be more popular as it was allready a bit, but what we really need is to see ascendencies changes

All i hope if they buff a bit some melee gem that were left aside and overall not nerf too much things.
They really should focus now about buffing left aisde gems rather than trying to "balance" because this just keep meta shifting over and over again for no real point

Its would be so much better the more skill are truely viable

Yeah that felt sad, they said melee revemp, melee buff but in the end it wasnt melee league it was cyclone overtune league and in the end spell were nearly better cause of the easier clear potential for legions encounter...

But i guess we can salute the work, it wasnt for nothing it still has opened the path... (yeah yeah pun intended) for great evolution

Yeah those vaal vortex, instant clear a whole leagion

How are you suposed to compete these with a melee lol

I feel fine about blight league, i think it well be cool and lots of adds that were tease looks good, like those master quest that you can keep and stack

I just hope i can end the 36 challenges before it end the legion wings looks not so bad ^^

[hoary snow]

I really want Raider to be good, since the theme is fun, but when I’ve tried it I’ve never seemed to be able to give it any durability or damage at all. Evasion isn’t as good as armor - when getting hit takes most of your health, and getting above 70% evade is hard, it’s not livable - and close range leaves you even more vulnerable. Likewise, a ton of attack speed means less when you don’t have the nodes to amp that damage to a useful degree.

[kindred dagger]

Strage because a lot of good build especialy farmer are deadeye/ranger so

But i guess they need some investement they are not so cheap

[hoary snow]

Bows just seem to greatly outclass melee in that corner of the tree

I wonder what numerical changes they have planned are enough to overcome that

[kindred dagger]

Didnt they said that they will buff the skilltree ? Like making HP stronger and stat a bit easier to get and stronger on nodes ?

[wet plaza]

70% evade plus beefed up acro phase acro is super nice

Didn't have too many issues with raiders

[low kindle]

They just don't have a special thing

Apart from stacking evasion

Which is only good when it works

[kindred dagger]

It allways work thats how the game is coded

if you have like 75% evade chance it means that you will only take one hit on every 4 hit

The most troublesome shit with ranger is HP, generaly you dont have damage mitigation on those class so if you take a big hit you just eat hit somehow full, and as its hard to get HP that mean you can blow up easily

Same for the avade chance as its your only defensive layer if its not high enough you HP pool can be hard to keep full, especialy with how leech works

[low kindle]

there's also shit which always hits

Like chimera clouds

Which dumps on evasion even more

[lucid stone]

What if raider got some damage reduction per # evasion?

[kindred dagger]

Would be probably to OP

Or it has to come with some flaw, like convert a % of evasion to damage reduction, like that you would need a shitload of EV to have some damage reduction AND still have some evasion %

[restive trellis]

what if raider had something where they have a shield which absorbs one hit, recharging every few seconds

and the total amount of the shield was based on evasion rating

[rain wagon]

Which summoner build are we all going for blight since clearly Necro is best build?

[restive trellis]

I'm going popcorn infernal zombise

*zombies

[placid badge]

why sleep on mines

especially now that you can throw them

[restive trellis]

possibly going into lv 95-100 popcorn spectres if I can

I have most of the stuff to assemble the spectre version in standard

so I'll probably test it out there

[wary smelt]

melee spectres with infernal legion for clear

well gonna have to see if i can sustain infernal or if its gonna be decent on melee spectres

[proven wadi]

I'm hoping the damage they take is substantial so as to make skeletons die almost instantly with the right setup

[hoary snow]

In the video it looked to be a pretty swift death for them, though it could be percentage based or something.

[proven wadi]

I mean the gem description in news said it was a percent

[fair prairie]

I think i'll like the patch hate the league, Tower Defense and ARPGs don't really mix well. It will have to either take power away from the players to make the towers worth while doing which would feel bad because ARPGs are about progressing your character and feeling the power rewards from doing that....or the Towers will be useless which will make it a pointless league mechanic.

[hoary snow]

towers could just be percentage damage

easiest way to make them relevant without being too much or too little

[fair prairie]

https://imgur.com/QL5nA76

[restive trellis]

well

[copper kernel]

[restive trellis]

that looks amazing for popcorn builds

[copper kernel]

yea pretty shit

[fair prairie]

i want to play a minion build, but not play a minion build..... I know i'll play skitterbots

[restive trellis]

this seems a lot more useful than the ring

[copper kernel]

wat

the ring is legit useful

[tough roost]

That ring is pretty darn useful

[copper kernel]

this is useless

[tough roost]

Ehh, it's niche

[fair prairie]

takes too much brain power to figure out how to make the ring useful 😛

[tough roost]

Minion Block builds, or Minion Instability Builds

Herald of Ice + Poison

Boom, done

[restive trellis]

the ring is useful but this can be used for a lot of minion builds

[copper kernel]

wdym just put ring on a poison build

big usage

[restive trellis]

don't think it's worth the ring slot on a poison build

all it does for pure poison builds is give chill

[fair prairie]

and shatter right?

[tough roost]

And corpse destruction

[restive trellis]

and shatter

[copper kernel]

shatter alone makes it useful

[restive trellis]

which is useful

but I'm not sure it's worth the ring slot still

depends on the build

[copper kernel]

at least the jewel gets fucked by notables and not all nodes

[restive trellis]

yep

[fast spoke]

fucked.. or engaged

[tough roost]

Yeah, either you ignore the notables and use this for Minion Block

[quiet geyser]

What? that jewel is wierd

[tough roost]

Or you take the notables for a Minion Instability build

[fast spoke]

what's the max notables in range

[copper kernel]

do you really want it for MI builds tho

it gives block

[tough roost]

Makes em faster

[restive trellis]

minion block isn't relevant with burning legion

[quiet geyser]

because it smedium, you can put it next to quick recovery.

and dont be affected by it realy

[tough roost]

Since Minion Instability builds are gonna use one of the sources of Minion Degen

[copper kernel]

its more useful on normal builds tbh

[turbid quartz]

Hey Tank!

[quiet geyser]

and its also 40%inc minion dmg so decent in everybuild

[restive trellis]

yep

it's good for most minion builds

[quartz dome]

the thing with this jewel is

just, don't socket it near notables you're taking

[copper kernel]

its any notable tho

not only allocated

now that i look into it

theres basically nowhere to put it

so its only useful for MI

[tough roost]

I mean, if you don't allocate them, then minions don't take more damage

[copper kernel]

🚮

[quiet geyser]

even then 41% it probebly goe sfomr 40-60

[quartz dome]

do you normally get the bonuses from notables you aren't taking???

[tough roost]

CAuse that's how passives work, if you don't take them they don't work

[copper kernel]

it doesnt say allocated/not allocated tho

[quiet geyser]

and Spectres wont die so its alot free dmg

[tough roost]

Yeah, cause it just transforms the nodes

[quartz dome]

holy fuck

[kindred dagger]

The new jewel can be good if all works properly, that may be used with the infernal gem and make them take even more damage for they can explode faster with minion instaiblity

[quartz dome]

"instead grant"

[restive trellis]

the notables are deleted

yea

[tough roost]

They're just new nodes that say "Minions take 20% increased damage"

[quartz dome]

like they already grant x now they grant y

[tough roost]

Not "Notables in radius grant nothing. Minions take 20% increased damage for each Notable in radius"

[quartz dome]

the worst thing about this jewel is how bland it is but it's otherwise fine just don't socket it near important stuff

[restive trellis]

so probably less useful for minion instability builds

[quartz dome]

in fact run this jewel with bone offering and call it a day

[copper kernel]

or just dont socket it

[quartz dome]

:6head:

[restive trellis]

every single minion build will socket it next to quick recovery

[tough roost]

It's useful for any Minion Build really, MI or not

[restive trellis]

and be happy

[fast spoke]

or if you really don't want to take the negative, just grab a socket that you're not taking notables near

[restive trellis]

what about spiritual aid

is it just a bunch of increased damage on a jewel

[tough roost]

MI builds would use it and take the notables cause it makes their Minions die faster, every other build will just ignore the notables

So it's win-win, really

[turbid quartz]

increased dmg is always nice in minion builds.

especially if they get new ai

[kindred dagger]

Yeah of course you may use it simply as a buffer if you can fond jewel in tree where you dont allocate notable nodes near it

[restive trellis]

if it's 40-60% minion damage

wouldn't rf builds love to take it

[kindred dagger]

But we need to see how much it really buff damage compare to regular abyssal jewel with added damage

[restive trellis]

for the just 60% increased damage

with spiritual aid

[tough roost]

It's probably like 35-45%

[restive trellis]

still though

[quartz dome]

actually this might be good with the srs necklace from last league too

if you want to make them close-range missiles

[kindred dagger]

Especialy as infernal sup add fire damage which is what srs naturaly scale with

And we still didnt saw everything next league, minions are gonna be pog

[vernal stream]

What you guys think will be the best build for blight. Like ed contagion was for legion popping everything.

[kindred dagger]

We cant really tell by now as we dont have exact mecanics

[midnight kraken]

So where do we put new jewel?

[kindred dagger]

But as they buff minions, trap and maybe poison we can guess that slow build can be strong

totem as well so

[placid grotto]

Arc

Or maybe HoAg

[cobalt falcon]

"Instead" is kind of passive or what ?

[lucid stone]

It's increased damage taken, not increased damage.

How much do you need for skeles to insta-pop with earendels?

[solid nova]

Between earendels, new support, and one of those jewels in a 4+notable socket, you're probably at insta already

[slender temple]

can the minions take damage thing be reflected or somehow turned into a benefit?

[silver kettle]

@slender temple minion instability is the main idea

[slender temple]

ah makes sense

quicker boom

[eager terrace]

hoag also just wouldn't care right

[midnight phoenix]

Its not a great minion jewel without the synergy

40 dmg is okay

Block is useless for hoag

And u cant put it in most locations cos it fucks the actual tree nodes that u would want to take

Tldr its minion bombing only

[kindred dagger]

maybe it could be interesting if there was some block minion interaction but there isnt really, the only that exist for what i know is a node that give them HP% regen on block but thats sucks i guess, we would prefer something like damage trigger on block.

But even with necro aegis that doesnt work because its ony bonus from shield that apply, or maybe im wrong ? but i think i remmember reading something about effect like reckoning from the surrender doesnt proc in such scenario !

[proven wadi]

Minions can't be granted skills from your shield

[kindred dagger]

yup thats what i thought so seems there is no bloc proc for minions

[gritty ember]

bone offering gives them hp on block

[fickle iris]

Are Zombies ala Mon'tregul's Grasp or Skeletons ala Earendel's Embrace likely to be better for Popcorn?

[distant scarab]

If there is an easy way we can cast lv 21 unearth

automatically

Id say spectre + unearth is our best bet for popcorn now

[fickle iris]

cyclone CWC

[kindred dagger]

league of cycline and league of minion, comgine the two opi opi shits

[vestal escarp]

cwc popcorn zombies

[tough musk]

....There's a part of me that's thinking...if this is PoE Tower Defense the league...maybe it makes a twisted sort of sense to go full totems&brands, like all the way to memes level totems and brands....but I have no idea if that could be made even functional let alone good.

[vestal escarp]

brands are good

totems are good

but I think minions will be really good for a few reasons:

1, the buffs, 2, the fact that minions can tank and block enemy aggro more actively

and 3, you can have more minions than you can totems and such usually

soulwrest is going to be actually obscene this league imo

[tough musk]

with instability for double the popcorn double the fun, ya that's kinda obscene. If I get one I'll have to give it a go XD

[runic pike]

whats SRS going to be like

with the new summoner stuff

[tough musk]

unless it gets a premptive nerf? signs point to shenanigans. Really, really boring shenanigans. I've never been a fan of SRS.

[midnight phoenix]

Theres nothing new that looks especially good for srs except if carrion golem scales linearly with number of minions

U could alrdy build popcorn srs

[low kindle]

all sockets must be red

If you want 2, they must be the only one

no other colors

[velvet palm]

What happens if it has 2 red 2 blue?

[silver kettle]

Given that SRS has 50% built in fire conversion (which takes priority), you end up with 75% fire 25% lightning

[velvet palm]

What about 3 r 1 b?

[patent canyon]

i mean you just take all %conversions and distribute them so total would end up still being 100% conversion with same ratios

[royal plaza]

With these changes to mines (without seeing the numbers), will %mine damage be better than +1 mines on a shaped helmet ?

[copper kernel]

[static token]

The numbers are what dictates what's better, so...

[royal plaza]

ok

[austere anvil]

so...

[carmine fiber]

minion league

hard skip

[austere anvil]

yeah I hate when GGG forces us to play a specific skill, like at least let us buy other skill gems from NPCs ffs

[barren crescent]

I just want to play tornado shot, ggg why you so mean (jk)

[kindred dagger]

Guys stop bitching, other skill have the right to be buff, they buffed spell they buffed melee (cauf cauf cylcone) and they nerfed necro and minion and shit like that, so now they just give them some buff its legit.
doesnt mean you have to play it, look legion they say hey buff melee but in the end anything else were better to clear like spell or ranger or whatever but melee so

[wet plaza]

when did they nerf necro

[livid lake]

they nerfed offerings

[kindred dagger]

they nerf everything and necro wasnt that good anyway since a long time especialy as they nerf minions and other things entirely tide to necro

[wet plaza]

i never had any issues with necro so i was just generally curious what minions/parts exactly they nerfed besides the offerings

[livid lake]

they changed a few of the spectres as well i think, no massive minion nerfs though i dont think, except SRS

[wet plaza]

hm i only remember the rf guys being gutted

but that was also before we got permanent spectres i think

[livid lake]

wickerbois and vanguards were nerfed, and i think one of the abyss bois too

[spice comet]

Not exactly what you're looking for but hoag got hit too

[wet plaza]

oh mostly checking the claim they nerfed necro

played it throughout the last few leagues, didnt notice much

[spice comet]

They haven't really

Since like proph specs have always been decent

Its just the same issue people have with totem builds that they just feel unfulfilling cause you're just watching your minions do everything

[wet plaza]

dunno i didnt have that issue when i just picked up more support stuff

consec ground, smite, offering etc

[spice comet]

Oh i'm not saying that there aren't ways to make it more active i personally am a huge fan of to dust skeles cause it ends up feeling like a trapper

[wet plaza]

yeah mostly throwing it out there for the meta people

summoner league et al :>

[spice comet]

Idk what i think will be meta this season yet. One hand anything zoomy will work fairly well and anything that can afk and still kill things will do well. I know minions look really juicy but i can see something like rf with decent area being really really strong

[kindred dagger]

I dont know if you can have area for RF be that huge to clear everything

imagine there is big resistant minion coming from all side not sure the time they enter your RF you have the time to clear them before they reach the core

[spice comet]

Then deaths oath

Larger aoe and chaos dmg

[kindred dagger]

But you are just forcing me to think about about it, i was prepared to play a RF build this league.... now i think of it may be fucked

death oath larger AOE ?

[spice comet]

Iirc yeah

Id have to go check it

[kindred dagger]

I wanted to play a RF this league to have somehting to easy chain uber lab and safely farm few things

[spice comet]

You can easy chain ulab on much better builds than rf unless you're not looking for speed

[kindred dagger]

Not specialy looking for speed but for safeness first

[spice comet]

Speed =saftey in lab

Imo

[copper kernel]

thats true

[kindred dagger]

with like 4k hp regen/sec im pretty fine and rf is fast though as you can just shield charge throught the lab

i dont agree

with all those shit trap and so speed doesnt allways mean anything

[copper kernel]

i see you havent played a fast build

[spice comet]

If you move fast enough you won't ever even see the traps

[kindred dagger]

i did but i dont care the game is too clunky to say only speed is safe

[spice comet]

Oh boy

Not true even in the slightest

[kindred dagger]

thats your opinion

[spice comet]

That's every major lab runners opinion

Not just mine

[kindred dagger]

i dont care about one say i do thing on my experience thats all

[spice comet]

At some point you'll realize that ulab is a joke and that as long as you're able to quickly handle izzaro and can get from point a to point b faster then you can farm more labs

[copper kernel]

yeah as long as your build isnt turbo janky

[spice comet]

More labs = more enchanting = more potential profit

[copper kernel]

or yeah if youre actually farming lab

speed is king

[spice comet]

I should tag that one person in here that's top of the hc ladder 👀

[kindred dagger]

i dont see me running at 2k ms with a trash farming MF deadeye that get one shot by any white mob, fire trap or anything that you just walki in because unluckky timing trash trigger or clunky game where you get stuck in a door or a wall and instant die to such nonsense mecanic

[spice comet]

Game isn't clunky

[kindred dagger]

[spice comet]

Its really not....

If it was clunky ms wouldn't be king on all mf builds

[kindred dagger]

[placid grotto]

Might be missing something, but I think the gameplay video has training wheels on. At 0:25, you can see multiple monsters hit the pump in the upper-right and the pump health goes down correspondingly (ironically, this is where the person put most of the towers but that's something else). Then at 0:45, you see a bunch of monsters hit the pump from the left side and the health doesn't decrease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrPMftRZ6X4

[languid path]

at 0:45 all the mobs are dying from prolif, nothing is hitting anything

also the pump is the small slightly blue thingy to the right side, not the big yellow ball

[kindred dagger]

lol fireblast for TD not sure this is optimal

[placid grotto]

Looked to me like they were hitting it before the player got there

[elder swallow]

so this crazy blight just pops outta the ground righht, some is freezing some is burning and other effects etc... the mobs that stand in it are buffed up and while ur standing in it you take damage but get xtra xp and drops!

does that sound good?

i dont know if blight is actually gonna work this way but thats my take on it

[proven wadi]

?

[placid grotto]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly the opposite of how GGG said it works

Sounds like you're confusing it with Tempest

[wary smelt]

sounds like he didnt watch the trailer for the new league

[slender temple]

what kind ofo default garbage loot filter was that haha chaos orbs looked like trash drops

[eager terrace]

what's with the weird grass effects in that video

at like 1:10

has that effect been in the game before

seems like that weird grass surrounds the area where blight lanes take place maybe

[zenith warren]

When you save a master and want to clear him later, is that just solo, or can you invite other ppl too?

[eager terrace]

it looks like it works like old master missions kind of

where you open a portal through the NPC but you will use a map in this case

I dunno why you wouldn't be able to invite people

[zenith warren]

That would be nice, 1 more good thing for ppl who want to delve a lot 😁

[celest atlas]

kinda, you still only get 1 a day ...

but the stacking makes it a bit better ...

[static token]

I think they said 2 a day, but I've already heard people planning to get like 10 accounts to maps so they can stack those dailies as much as possible.

[dapper vessel]

I thought it was 2 per day you DONT play and they stack up as you map faster if you are playing

[wide totem]

The thing that breaks it is that you might delve for 2 days and by that point with alt accounts you can just rush enough niko to run again

[violet nymph]

man

i can't wait to play new mines

[rigid scaffold]

you think there's a chance that Animate Weapon gets fixed?

To be like, usable?

[violet nymph]

that'd be sweet

i want to try jorrhast's blacksteel

with one of the new minion gems

or all of them, i guess lol

[static token]

I'm hoping this season is wall to wall summoners like last season was Cyclone. So that my trap gear will be cheaper.

[fallen tulip]

thing is

there's 3 different archetypes this time

in legion it was all MELEE

[patent canyon]

*cyclone

[fallen tulip]

depending on how Mines function with their "sequenced" detonation, they might get more players

sounds like theyll be pretty similar to Chain reaction traps

[violet nymph]

i'm

100%

going to play

sire of shards fireball mines

with the dragon mtx

to break every computer in a 6-man party

including my own

[fallen tulip]

why sire of shards?

[violet nymph]

for clear

and for extra computer-breaking power

[fallen tulip]

chain or pierce?

[violet nymph]

neither

gmp if anything

or maybe fork

[static token]

Mathil doesn't like mines, so that should keep like 50% of the playerbase away.

[violet nymph]

lol

[wide totem]

Im curious if they will nerf cyclone

[violet nymph]

chris said they will

[wide totem]

Oh ok

[violet nymph]

it's a no-brainer, anyway

[fallen tulip]

they gotta get players to play something else again

[wide totem]

Buff scourge arrow speed is my hope. I loved the prefix version

[violet nymph]

they'll nerf it to a point where everyone thinks it's garbage when it will infact be not garbage at all

[wide totem]

Yeah

[violet nymph]

regarding cyclone

[wide totem]

Then some streamer will try it and prove its still stupidly good in the right circumstances

[fallen tulip]

cyclone will be functional since it's "fixed" now

[violet nymph]

not even "right circumstances"

i guarantee cyclone starforge will still be ridiculous

[wide totem]

Yeah

[violet nymph]

maybe the aoe won't be as big

maybe it won't have quite as much damage

but like

[static token]

Cyclone getting a 5% nerf, literally unplayable.

[violet nymph]

reducing aoe by 30% isn't much when it's possible to clear bigger than the screen

[wide totem]

How big was winter orbs nerf? I can't remember

[violet nymph]

pretty big

nobody plays it anymore

[fallen tulip]

about 50%

[wide totem]

Well yeah I know that

[violet nymph]

i'm sure it's still fine, but they made it so you have to channel to get the full benefit

[wide totem]

Ah

[violet nymph]

i'm sure you could get nutty damage out of a cold to fire setup

[wide totem]

I wonder if it will see love with the TD mode

[fallen tulip]

also I think the Elementalist nerf hit Worb and Storm brand players

[wide totem]

I mean being stationary isnt as big of a punishment in the new mechanic

As far as I can telm

Ele nerf? Damn

[violet nymph]

elementalist nerf just hurt damage a bit

people overblew it and so nobody played elementalist

[wide totem]

Ah

[patent canyon]

no one played ele for damage

[violet nymph]

occultist had a way bigger nerf

[wide totem]

Yeah

That was huge

[violet nymph]

elementalist has always been the triherald clear ascendancy

[static token]

Herald was nice, but Bacon was the main reason. Now it's really just the heralds.

[fallen tulip]

golems too if you're into that

[minor olive]

+1 global gems again, wonder if we'll see this trending with more gem types

[lucid stone]

These new global gem levels seem like a nerf to 2h again

[fallen tulip]

oh man thats global

[minor olive]

GGG hates staves confirmed

[lucid stone]

Also means a good rare dagger competes with cip

If global phys spell gems is a mod om rares

[proven wadi]

I mean, I don't think it is

[echo dove]

All I want for Christmas is a +1 golems mod on anything but clayshaper

It needs the +1 spectre treatment like boots

[vast berry]

im ready for pure phys blade vortex dual wielding those daggers

[devout pivot]

wat is a better league starter ... raider cyclone with Ngamahu's Flame or pathfinder kb?

[devout osprey]

no clue, they could remove both those skills.

[vast berry]

what lmao

[devout osprey]

we dont know about blight changes, cyclone and KB could be removed, nerfed to death buffed, anything

[vast berry]

they have almost never "removed" a skill

especially two very prevalent ones

cyclone could be gutted, but they have gotten better about that

and i doubt KB is even on the patch notes

[devout osprey]

true that but asking for builds pre-patch notes is gambling about getting a good starter or not

[cedar pewter]

They've only outright removed what...IIQ and VIC?

I know they hate a lot of things about a couple gems, but they just don't bother balancing them

Like AW

Been in the game since 1.0, seen 7 patch notes lol

[fair prairie]

Pixelkitty my guess is that will settle down after awhile and nerfs will happen. Sometimes in the genre its important to introduce a gradual power creep in order to keep things a little less stagnant. Without the increase in how powerful your character can get the spinning wheel feels like it gets nowhere. A power creep makes progression feel more possible even if its a illusion and the relative power stays the same as the enemies around you are also balanced to account for the changes

[violet nymph]

animated weapon is such a silly concept

i mean, it's cool right

but like

it requires you to use items on the ground or from your inventory

so silly

i really hope they rework it entirely to make it not silly and clunky to maintain

i'm not sure what they'd even do though

i guess it could like... create a bunch of spectral copies of the first weapon in your inventory

[kindred dagger]

It could be cool if there was a way to "store" weapon or if at least with a jewel you could create some weapon, not the full 40 animated weapon but maybe having at least allways like 7-10 weapon max one created per sec would be some honest feature to not abuse i guess

[violet nymph]

remove animated guardian and animated weapon, create "animated item" which creates up to 10 spectral copies of the item it's socketed into

the type of item it's socketed into changes what the spectral copies do

[kindred dagger]

yeah build like AW i dont think its intented to be some boss fighter

At some point it was so strong thou, like 40 "permanent" furious weapon rushing to enemies

It prety instant anything

[violet nymph]

i suspect they'll do something with animated weapon/guardian

[kindred dagger]

Something allready exist, with the chest chain of commander

it make your AG create some AW which seems pretty good

[next epoch]

@violet nymph I, for one, welcome our new animated tabula rasa overlords?

[violet nymph]

lol

[frosty aurora]

power creep passive tree nodes pog

[vestal escarp]

What if Animated Weapon created copies of weapons in your second equipment slots?

5 copies of two-handed or 5 copies of your main and off hand

at base, anyway

would be a lot less clunky imo

[barren crescent]

Doubled chaos res seems scary

[vagrant grove]

will it double ur final res value or the value of whats on ur items i wonder?

[barren crescent]

Chaos dmg league 👀

[vagrant grove]

i mean will it double it before or after the kitava penalty

[barren crescent]

I suppose it will be character wide buff so after

[elfin iron]

https://i.redd.it/t2y1gxywnai31.jpg

time to do darkscorn scourge arrow again

[lucid stone]

Oh that's cool, it tells you the oils

[elfin iron]

this time it's even easier to get max chaos res

[languid path]

I mean, if your build scale off chaos res somehow that notable is fine, but if you're only taking 'cause lol max chaos res then that's not a smart use of a free notable

maybe the set unique will be good, then there will be choices

[elfin iron]

@languid path divine flesh + darkscorn

for defensive layer

[languid path]

sure, as I said, if your build scale off chaos res then it's fine

[elfin iron]

and they're buffing poison too hopefully

nice

I spent quite a lot to get capped chaos res this league on my pathfinder

but 87% max chaos res is amazing

could've pushed it even higher if I had the divines

[lucid stone]

Just do golden rule poison. owo

[elfin iron]

?

[lucid stone]

You get 1% chaos res per poison on you

[elfin iron]

that requires ramp

[lucid stone]

Well if you're doing molten strike, then 150 poison stacks should be like, the first pack, no?

I don't play lots of melee. @.@

[remote heart]

i hope they change it so the chests spawn at the center instead of having to backtrack every single time

[hollow cipher]

If you have negative chaos resistance, and double it, does it mean you're extra susceptible to chaos damage?

[vagrant grove]

thats why i was wondering if it doubled ur final value or doubled all u got from items/passive, cause if so u would have 60 chaos resist if u doubled from 0?

[rough bobcat]

@hollow cipher that would be pretty funny 😄

[fallen tulip]

it probably can and will double the negative too

don't know if there's a cap for negative res

[dusky tendon]

blight minions follow the veins, but what happens if you place an ice wall there? I wonder will they get stuck or can they walk around ?

[cerulean bramble]

It stops mobs in Delve

Maybe there will be some extra mechanic

[dusky tendon]

If it stops them, I sense meme value

I. build a triangle around the eye

II. profit?

[cerulean bramble]

II. buy dance mtx

III. profit?

[violet nymph]

What happens when you put a passive to an item and on a next patch that passive changes?

[fallen tulip]

that passive probably changes too?

[runic fractal]

I'd say that only matters if you play standard. If not, no reason to worry i think.

[violet nymph]

I do play standard :p

So basically it's too dangerous using that for mirror service items, as a passive can change and you will stuck with it

[runic fractal]

It's impossible to say what might or might not happen in the future :)
GGG is known for making things obsolete after all

[static token]

It's an enchantment, so it's not permanent. Assuming Blight goes standard you can just re-enchant over it later.

[slender temple]

You can't do anything to a mirrored item tho

[static token]

Well ya, but if your running the service that's not your problem. You sold the mirrored item. You keep the un-mirrored one and change it as needed to keep the service going.

[gentle ermine]

Have we considered Mine changes was done to synergies with running Blight?

[lucid stone]

Is every notable available through oils?

How many oil combos are there

[devout osprey]

number of oils^3

[sterile brook]

I think chris explicitly called out the # of combinations

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ct7hml/13_secret_passives_only_obtainable_via_oil/exj4sgb/

As colours can be repeated and order doesn't matter. Every combination maps onto something.

[devout osprey]

364

but that makes 121,33333 different oils

[lucid stone]

364 combos

What

No its 12 oils

[devout osprey]

12

maths rusty

tbh i have no idea how that link works

[lucid stone]

How many notables are on tree? I never counted them.

[runic fractal]

364-13 most likely

[devout osprey]

why -13

[lucid stone]

Because

Theres 13 unlockable notables

[devout osprey]

but those are the secret ones

[runic fractal]

Well, because there's 13 available that does not exist on the tree

[lucid stone]

So oils = 364 possible

[devout osprey]

oooh

[lucid stone]

And if 13 are unlockable

That means less than or equal to 364-13 notables

[wet plaza]

according to the tree json we have 470 nodes with not: true

[lucid stone]

D:

Is that including keystones

And legion notables and keystones?

[devout osprey]

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/List_of_notable_passive_skills last updated 2 days ago

[wet plaza]

no keystones dont count

[lucid stone]

Okay, well that link says 334

[runic fractal]

Maybe it includes ascendancies?

[devout osprey]

name an ascendcy one

[lucid stone]

334 + 13 = 347

[runic fractal]

Not the list you linked, but the ones faust talked about

[wet plaza]

well i am looking at the tree data ggg provides on the website as json

[runic fractal]

I'm just saying, that ascendancies are also notables, which is probably why you have so many

[wet plaza]

oic probably, need to check out how to filer those out

for ascendancy: small nodes are no notables no keystones, big nodes are notables no keystone

[runic fractal]

Well, it's easier to count those, than the whole tree 😂

[lucid stone]

Huh I never took the time to look at the notable art

[empty dagger]

these buffs to minions just seem insane

feels bad the thought of rolling any non-minion build to start

guess will have to wait for the patchnotes though

[wet plaza]

136 ascendancy notables, 334 normal notables then

[lucid stone]

So we'll probably never get more than 351 tree notables?

[dusky tendon]

I hope you can't get ascendancy notables, some are just too good

[lucid stone]

Whats the worst notable

Probably Practical Application?

[wet plaza]

some?

notables are the big things in the ascendancy trees per ingame tree

all of them would be crazy to get

[dusky tendon]

nah, notables are the medim sized ones, the big ones are keystones

[wet plaza]

i dont think their data lies

       "6038":{
          "id":6038,
          "icon":"Art\/2DArt\/SkillIcons\/passives\/PathFinder\/MasterFletcher.png",
          "ks":false,
          "not":true,
          "dn":"Veteran Bowyer",
          "m":false,
          "isJewelSocket":false,
          "isMultipleChoice":false,
          "isMultipleChoiceOption":false,
          "passivePointsGranted":0,
          "ascendancyName":"Pathfinder",
...

ks = keystone, not=notable

[signal ivy]

i think it was a misunderstanding

oh nvm x) i was the one misunderstanding

[barren crescent]

what is dn?

[devout osprey]

noteable name

dname

idk

[wet plaza]

designated name maybe? dunno

[livid lake]

display name probably

[wet plaza]

Demo smart

[quiet geyser]

I think ambidexterity will be one of the strongest keystones.

It has so many travel nodes for any build, but having on your amulet kinda looks insane

[kindred dagger]

Im thinking of making a doc to instant search for the recipe you'll want but hell thats weird

[silver kettle]

I'm sure a website will have that space covered in like an hour after league start

[kindred dagger]

Probably i'll look for it to see how they do, i would like to share things with comunity, i have all the understanding for it but my knowledge to make/create such things allways reveal to be so bad

but there should be something like 1200 to 1500 combinations possible

So if there really is around 350 notables, probably the crafting wont be linear

[silver kettle]

There are 364 combinations

351 notables + the 13 special passives

[kindred dagger]

Like some notables would probably will result with like 4 or 5 different recipe where some notables considered strong will probably be obtain only by one recipe and with rare oil

If i had 15years less i may would want to go study coding

wowowowowwo that special notable pog as fuck

[hoary snow]

Well, that new notable isn't just a notable lol - that turns Frost Blades into something insane

[torpid sonnet]

Yeah, its more like a mini-keystone than a notable

except no downside

[kindred dagger]

Icant imagine all the possibilities for now with how much things are consider as projectiles, just this give probably a lot of roam for crazyness, and there is still a lot of unique notable to come, oh boy this is going to be epic

[hoary snow]

Oh, it's all attack projectiles. That's practically mandatory on bows now isn't it

[runic pike]

its sounds like its was already in the game but on a unique or a old keystone

[kindred dagger]

good catch didnt read well the "attack" but still

[wild arch]

I'm pretty sure this was an old master craft

[runic pike]

like a old deadeye keystone

[hoary snow]

tornado shot with chaining would turn that into something bonkers wouldn't it?

[kindred dagger]

TS yeah is allready insane so even more

im curious but i guess spectral throw doesnt make anything... but spectral shield throw fun ^^

[wild arch]

Yup just checked, it was Tora's level 7 master craft

[kindred dagger]

insane damage on skill like scourge arrow with this ... wow

[wild arch]

I don't think scourge will work

[kindred dagger]

@wild arch interesting, i dont remember saw this

[hoary snow]

it's a projectile, and all the arrow pods are also projectiles, right?

[kindred dagger]

yeah

[wild arch]

Don't they pierce infinitely?

[runic pike]

i thought it was 2 stages the hit then the pods

[wild arch]

If this is exactly same as the old master craft then the projectiles must stop on an enemy to return

[kindred dagger]

But actualy that wouldnt work with many things so

[runic pike]

you use it with spark

[kindred dagger]

its attack projectile

[runic pike]

ah

[proven wadi]

oh look. Return is back but not terrible

[kindred dagger]

Now franken say it that makes sense why we never saw it before even if it allready existed

there is not really use for this if it has to projectile stop on hit

[runic pike]

hmm totem ele hit?

[kindred dagger]

or like i said if thats really the case so yeah defenetly spectral shield throw with this can be huge

[wild arch]

The best use for this is if you only have like 1 pierce or chain

[proven wadi]

really the mod only works if you have a small amount of pierce chain, since it wont come back off of obstacles like walls

[wild arch]

If it pierces too much it hits a wall and does nothing

And if it chains too far the return probably won't hit anything

I'm curious abou how it'll work with caustic arrow

[quiet geyser]

crash :^)

[wild arch]

Most likely nothing tbh

[proven wadi]

caustic targets ground so... hm

[quiet geyser]

So it basicly looks nice on paper, but beside clear speed it cant improve dmg?

[wild arch]

It explodes on every target pierced

And it can chain

[lucid stone]

WHAT

WHAT IS THIS NOTABLE

[proven wadi]

its not as amazing as you think

[wild arch]

It can technically improve damage if you're fighting twinned bosses

[proven wadi]

still interesting though

[runic pike]

a poor mans spectral throw

[proven wadi]

Return already existed, technically

[lucid stone]

Arrows everywhere with tornado shot, I guess.

[proven wadi]

not exactly

[lucid stone]

I missed it. :>