it sounds like it just changes how masters spawn
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sour mountain
you talk to them to activate them on their next map, if you have daily allocation
they still spawn randomly so long as you haven't selected a master for the upcoming map
loud pawn
im pretty sure the video said masters can still spawn randomly on maps
royal plaza
hmm ok
spice fog
we still need details to how much favour gets awarded (since it used to be level based)
-Also what happens to the 250% daily bonus..
barren crescent
Servicing sulphite to make a bank
low kindle
So how do neck enchants work with legion jewels
Will I get old passive, new passive or nothing
loud pawn
id assume that the amulet grants the effect of the passive without granting the physical passive itself?
although in that case could you double up on passives?
sage canyon
It says "allocate", so I guess it will be converted with a legion jewel
low kindle
What if it's a vaal or eternal jewel and passive has a new name now
So many questions, so little answers
sage canyon
It will give you the passive that replace the allocated passive
loud pawn
would the passive be highlighted on the tree as if you had taken it?
sage canyon
nothing sure, just speculation
loud pawn
this would prevent doubling up on passives
but still leaves the question of how they work with legion jewels
sage canyon
well, for me it's exactly the same that if you take a passive the usual way, except it doesn't need to be connected with the rest of your tree
think of it like a passive you have taken with the "intuitive leap" jewel
low kindle
some legion jewels rename passives
barren crescent
If the amulet point highlights on tree then timeless jewels will work, guess we have to wait for launch or reddit comment
old egret
i think it works the way gear currently works that assigns keystone passives
like skin of the loyal and such
so it gives that notable, even if its no longer on your tree due to a timeless jewel
but, they did say you cant double up on them, so maybe not
elfin iron
do oils give only notables or also keystones?
languid path
only notables
elfin iron
ok
sage canyon
@low kindle If you have golem's blood enchantment for exemple, and you put a vaal timeless jewel that replace this node, my guess is that whatever node come instead of the golem's blood notable will be allocated
it's the most logical way imo
toxic flint
PATH OF EXILE: TOWER DEFENSE. I'm not a fan of tower defense games, but I'm sure i can make an exception for PoE.
elfin iron
@sage canyon really?
won't it make more sense to keep golem's blood enchant separate from the golem's blood in the tree?
I love TDs
sage canyon
not in my opinion because of the "allocated" word
elfin iron
can't wait for this
sage canyon
means that the passive will be "taken" in the skill tree (That also mean the enchantment will have no effect if you already have golem's blood enchant, so no double take of passive)
think of it like a notable you take with the "intuitive leap" jewel, they should follow the same rules : can't create a new path from them, no double take, transform if in a timeless jewel
old egret
idk, i feel like thats not what they intended with it. Its basically a mini version of gear that gives keystones, since it refers to the name of it.
tho i guess itd be awkward to say 'allocate the passive located at golem's blood'
sharp wind
So is this going to be a glaciers league again?
cerulean bramble
I think we have to wait and see what the rewards are like from the red tier blighted maps
Might be big enough to make you want to complete high tier content
and the new masters mission mechanics means you can target farm tons of profitable items/crafts
Doing whatever is fun might be the answer this league
sage canyon
if blighted maps give good rewards, then clearspeed may not be the only viable option (even if I think MF + clear speed will always be the best)
cerulean bramble
Speed + MF + a party is always the best way until they kill MF
wild arch
2h hammer poison assassin 
violet nymph
i'm probably gonna start divine ire
and then i'm gonna play sire of shards fireball mines once i have the currency for a 6l sire of shards
with the dragon mtx
to break every computer
violet nymph
because fireball sire of shards can actually clear
cerulean bramble
Need sire of shards for the meme
wild arch
Sire ball lighting? 
violet nymph
ball lightning mines seems like an unironically insane option now
wild arch
Bruh
violet nymph
cause of how chaining works or whatever
wild arch
Toxic rain mines
cerulean bramble
Ball lightning mines are underrated
violet nymph
so let me get an idea of how this works, cause i've never played a miner
you hold rmb to place a bunch of mines
then click rmb to detonate them
is that correct
wild arch
Not quite
violet nymph
or is it a different button to detonate
wild arch
You get a new detonate skill as long as you have any mines
violet nymph
and i'm guessing you can assign that to any button
violet nymph
why would you want the gem for it lol
wild arch
The gem lets you put it in a totem for auto spam
violet nymph
oh huh
wild arch
Detonate totem with faster casting
violet nymph
i wonder how they're gonna change our current mine skills
tbh i wish they would remove fire nova mine and just give us fire nova as a spell
wild arch
What can they change tho
violet nymph
for all we know puncture mines will have fucking insane damage 
cerulean bramble
Puncture mines sounds like the fattest of memes
wild arch
violet nymph
that's the biggest meme i've ever said in my life
cerulean bramble
Fuck the sabo changes Im going crit puncture mines with assassin
wild arch
You've activated my gladiator card
violet nymph
gladiator puncture mines
cerulean bramble
I actually had a bunch of PoB's for next league using Sabo. I thought "Sab is in a fine state there's no way they will change it"
Boy was I wrong
wild arch
There is no dishonor in hiding shrapnel bombs 
violet nymph
tbh puncture is pretty insane already, it's just that bleed sucks except for lacerate
when bleed is buffed puncture is definitely gonna be a thing people can do with deadeye
and glad
cerulean bramble
and champion
wild arch
For bleed to be actually good you need to dw sword and axe
TS mines
Ascend past godhood
cerulean bramble
Shrapnel shot mines are good now
Used to be shrapnel shot traps with chin sol
and point blank
now that we can throw mines as well.....
0_o
Big brain time
wild arch
Why not caustic arrow with all the extra projectiles
cerulean bramble
I cant even tell if you are memeing at this point
wild arch
I mean I did a crit caustic arrow with LMP and GMP already
violet nymph
crimson storm deadeye puncture. crimson storm gonna be common as hell with people actually playing syndicate again
wild arch
This sounds like a buff if anything
cerulean bramble
I think crimson storm can be a glad thing too
You can get similar movement speed with the Champion charges
wild arch
Stop right there
cerulean bramble
And you will for sure get more damage on glad
violet nymph
i mostly say deadeye because of the nutty qol deadeye has with life gain on hit on bleeding enemies
wild arch
The charges are melee only
wild arch
They're bound to blood and sand
violet nymph
i mean
cerulean bramble
Nope
Nothing says melee only
or flesh and stone
and flesh and stone is not melee only
wild arch
Yeah but flesh and stone is melee range
violet nymph
which we would definitely be using for a glad puncture build
wild arch
Otherwise just wasted reserve
cerulean bramble
Its not
violet nymph
not with glad charges lol
wild arch
Which you can't afford with new mines
violet nymph
i'm not even talking about mines anymore lol
wild arch
But it's mine league
cerulean bramble
14% less damage taken from enemies outside of the range is nothing to scoff at
Not wasted at all
wild arch
All these builds are mine
cerulean bramble
Think again casual
violet nymph
so many possibilities
fireball sire of shards miner is probably the only mine build i'm gonna play this league though
just cause i want to break computers
and also clear screens instantly
turbid quartz
okay calm down satan
cerulean bramble
We are here for the Sire
violet nymph
ever seen the dragon fireball mtx? lol
cerulean bramble
The Sire of Shards
violet nymph
i made a fireball sire of shards totem build back in delve
people were just
amazed
at how much you couldn't see
cause dragon mtx covers the screen
cerulean bramble
I love how any other discussion about mines in delve is how you can optimize for depth
This is how to optimize for max amount of blood from eyes
scarlet briar
sour mountain
i just put down Big Life
my build doesn't go into the marauder/scion life nodes and can't use a second curse
also monoliths in delve will be interesting; will trapped mobs they generate light?
rigid iris
is the blight league is like protect the flag gamestyle or similar to last abyss league gamestyle ?
velvet palm
Have you ever played a TD game?
rigid iris
yeah i do, oic. thx
velvet palm
The fuck does oic mean
rigid iris
afk
velvet palm
Why
compact junco
velvet palm
Fuck... You?
past badger
Lots of love present...
jaunty ledge
hm. so I should be able to transform a notable with a timeless jewel on the tree and still get the original notable on my alulet next league?
velvet palm
Should be the case
barren crescent
Yeah, it says allocate
rigid iris
ah i mean "oh i see" and sincerely thank you from the bottom of my heart
velvet palm
That's big bang theory in a nutshell
I suggest practicing something like BTD5 or Kingdom Rush in preparation for Blight
jaunty ledge
I haven't played any orcs must die in ages, this might be a good excuse
junior talon
Baloons TD
barren crescent
junior talon
Ayyy
patent canyon
i love it
barren crescent
Time to boot up WC3 FT to practice
neon hound
this mechanic looks so janky wtf
barren crescent
Yeah I'm not sold on the mechanic yet either
it looks so clusterfucky
but other changes are sounding really good
jaunty ledge
I hope you have a long range where you can interact with the towers
patent canyon
its fine. find T2-5 map with open layout and just spam it without placing single turret
neon hound
yea alright mate let me just right click some towers mid league mechanic
ah shit what do i wanna build on this tower
ah fuck the mobs are here
barren crescent
but after watching Ziggy's video
he made a good point about potentially rolling the maps for those Blighted maps exclusively
neon hound
will be a good league if you can just make a NiceBuild and ignore the towers entirely
barren crescent
if the tower building works at all
I suppose good builds can brute force em
but slapping few slow towers shouldn't hurt
neon hound
the towers aren't what give you rewards or whatever right
maybe i should finish watching all this stuff
barren crescent
I'm really interested how the tower building will work in multiplayer
(non public games)
jaunty ledge
it's a chest per lane you manage to defend I think
neon hound
"the infected are unusually tough"
barren crescent
Like can I play support in this league and still interact with it
neon hound
there's lines that all trace back to the big mushroom
you can sit there and wait for mobs
barren crescent
RF builds
velvet palm
Why do people talk about open layouts for this
barren crescent
RF+DO builds
turbid quartz
DID SOMEONE SAY RF?
velvet palm
Walls are good
turbid quartz
Kroo, btw. I didn't get the 6 socket still
velvet palm
For this league at least
turbid quartz
MY LUCK!!! :(((((
neon hound
... dude lmao
velvet palm
But it was said the enemies would br tanky as fuck
turbid quartz
will you be on tommorow?
neon hound
yeah but what does "tanky as fuck" mean by ggg's standards
barren crescent
yes
turbid quartz
I might need you then kroo. XD
neon hound
its probably like
velvet palm
Unkillable by normal means
patent canyon
it means they will be walkover in low maps
neon hound
the white mobs probably have the same hp as a regular rare mob or something? idk
compact junco
if its comparable to legion's "you should not open everything" then tanky af means, its irrelevant :d
velvet palm
First week they will be killable only by towers
neon hound
lol
barren crescent
yeah
neon hound
you're cracked if thats what u think
barren crescent
then reddit bitches
and boom they paper
your message needs to be rarted to not get filtered
wild arch
I'm about to drop the biggest big brain speculation
So you know how the new cobra lash has 100% chance to poison on crit?
That sounds completely useless currently
What if the new assassin will be able to apply multiple poisons per hit?
Or at least scale off of poison chance above 100% somehow
patent canyon
its only said to interact with crits and reworked perfect agony to make sense going crit with poison
wild arch
Yeah but you get 100% poison with no effort anyway by just pathing poison nodes
barren crescent
ye there is overflow of poison chance
legit everything poison related nearly puts you to 100% automatically
wild arch
Unless they get rid of free poison everywhere the poison on crit is useless
karmic sphinx
Cant wait for frostwall shenanigans
barren crescent
unless you just buff up raw dmg instead of only poison
wild arch
1% increased poison damage per 1% chance to poison over the cap sounds good
barren crescent
or convert 50% of poison chance to poison duration etc
languid path
I mean, poison builds can comfortably hit over 1000% increased dmg
compact junco
barren crescent
yeah, dmg usually isn't a problem for poison builds
its survivability
as you don't really do on hit dmg, you don't have leech
compact junco
you can still get decent leech on poison builds, as you still have alrigth base hit, you just have to invest into it more on tree
(e.g just random 0.2% leech wont do like on other builds)
barren crescent
Just wait for Eternity Shroud builds to bring poison builds to insanely OP level
double consuming Dark daggers + conversion chain into fire
compact junco
eh, consuming dark sounds weak, you are missing out on delve mod
i guess with spells it at least makes sense, but with attacks no way
and tbh, eternity shroud makes any skill deal insane damage
barren crescent
yeah
but poison memes
remember when GGG nuked poison rework before it was even out
patent canyon
they are very careful not to bring poison back to what it was
forest glacier
Chaos league again
elfin iron
tower buffs?
patent canyon
yeah like reduced cost or more damage
elfin iron
more damage sounds insane
languid path
yes, you need to play tower defense as the league mechanic
languid path
and?
barren crescent
Siege Ballista league!
patent canyon
frost wall league 🙃
barren crescent
I just wonder how busted max curse effect/area TC cursebot will be
devout osprey
barren crescent
https://web.poecdn.com/image/blight/Panel9/Screenshot3.jpg what is the point of this screenshot of ASSassin?
devout osprey
the blue stuff is something new
barren crescent
it feels like they forgot to add caption text
toxic swan
@cedar pewter yeah I'm planning on trying out a totem build it seems fitting with the tower defense theme
devout osprey
need something to take care of mobs while i plan my towers
totems sounds good for that
sage canyon
minions look nice too
red wharf
earthquake could be good for clearing blights, wouldnt it be?
kill packs there and there, and when theres a lot of packs around blight source, pop vaal eq
low yoke
am i the only one that thinks that the tower defense theme is kinda... dumb?
i hope so much to be wrong lol
elfin iron
?
low yoke
this is the least hyped ive been for a new season. The new mechanics and changes are good... but the tower defense thing is so wonky
elfin iron
TDs are fun
low yoke
sure they are
elfin iron
especially from the ones I've played
low yoke
ty stephfra
elfin iron
same thing really
low yoke
i'm a big fan of tds but i dont see how the pacing and the UX of POE fit at all with this game-style
quiet geyser
Kinda like Dungeon Defenders
ITs something wich plays against "speed builds"
So Totem and Necromancer builds are nice to play
low yoke
yeah i can see that
copper kernel
is it really against "speed builds" tho
they clear trash quickly
and fungi mobs are mostly trash
quiet geyser
Okay its buffs everything wich is not a speed build
i would say
But speed buils are just suporior most of the time.
patent canyon
with "speed build" you will still end counter faster
you will push mobs back instead of defending imo
devout osprey
i would give the league a try at least
quiet geyser
IMO it looks amazing
even without the leauge mechanic the changes seem nice.
And the leauge mechanic just looks stupid fun to me
toxic swan
@low yoke to be honest I think the tower defense mechanic looks dumb, I won't sugar coat it. But at least its different and it doesn't look too complicated.
devout osprey
does towers count as "you"? like one tower always stun. does it count as "you" stun?
patent canyon
no
toxic swan
In some ways I think it looks dumb as fuck but I'm interested in seeing hwo to best exploit it at the same time. Maybe it will give some opportunities to off meta builds.
devout osprey
frostwall to stop them lol
toxic swan
I'm pumped tbh
I enjoyed legion but having something different for 3 months still seems like a cool change
🤷
barren crescent
But they are making Zana actually useful outside of atlas completion phase with Synthesis boss unique maps obtainable only from zana
toxic swan
my body is ready
wild arch
Detonate totem coupled with curtain call mine field sounds a bit insane 🤔
covert galleon
im gonna go with a necro or poison sin. no more cyclone for the whole next league for me...
wild arch
You know you'll do poison cyclone
gentle ermine
Ugh not for me
wild arch
Poison dervish necro 
gentle ermine
Better and no Cyclone.
quartz dome
Poison wander 
hoary snow
Unless they nerf cyclone’s ape potential it would seem like it would be about as good at this league mechanic as it was previously
hoary snow
(Still not as good as winter orb at AoE screenclears but cyclone does keep you alive better)
covert galleon
I was thinking about doing poison facebreakers berserker but i ended up with...5 cyc chars....
hoary snow
I can barely see how you’d do two let alone five, you alright?
covert galleon
yeah i used to really like cyclone 😄 now i cant even say that name out loud 🙂
elfin iron
I wish they'd buff other melee skills
and not touch impale aside from making the gem get a melee tag
pls pls pls ggg
covert galleon
yeah i was talking about that with some people who didnt want o join cyc club but i have no idea what could they do cause cyc has great aoe, dps and you can move...
oh and has almost no mana cost...
fallen tulip
Cwdt - curse on hit - frost wall - temporal chains?
covert galleon
does the frost wall block projectiles? i havent used that skill in like 2 years
elfin iron
@covert galleon it's too op
and bandwagon feels bad
I did the same too
but moved to cyclone
got bored of the game and tried another build
fallen tulip
Im thinkeng about Spark mines
elfin iron
I'm thinking of melee since other people will move on to other stuff
covert galleon
@elfin iron yeah same here. I started the league with contagion/ed, moved to cyc for like a month and than I made a bumch of different melee skills but they all felt lacking compared to cyclone
elfin iron
and melee is my favorite
@covert galleon ed/contagion is also bandwagon
I league started with dual strike impale champion
it felt awful I tell you
especially without multistrike
covert galleon
impale is sic by itself
i was really surprised that not that many people used that. at least thats what i saw on poe.ninja
covert galleon
theres a lot of "that" in my sentence
elfin iron
just need 100% chance
covert galleon
yeah, yeah what i ment is not every melee build used it which i found surprising considering how stupid strong it is
elfin iron
I can't wait to get soul of steel as an amulet enchant
covert galleon
but i guess if some poeple cant see "tool tip" numbers its not good for them:)
yeah those enchants are sic
elfin iron
I'll target soul of steel no matter what
compact junco
yeah I bet majority of people on pure phys builds that skiipped it either had super slow attack speed (like earthquake) or just didnt saw damage boost in pob and ignored it
covert galleon
xophs blood with avatar of fire on dead eye and hello my free passives
covert galleon
true
elfin iron
I think discipline and training will be the best for people not going left
restive trellis
or assassination for builds that can't path to it
elfin iron
that's true
restive trellis
or reduced mana reserved
covert galleon
im just searching passive tree to find some nice combos 🙂
restive trellis
spiritual aid gives a lot of nice things while pathing to it though
spice comet
I mean no
If im a ranger
I'm not going to minion dmg
But i can slap on a bone helm and new minion wands and profit
covert galleon
hey does the raider gets any buffs?
elfin iron
sovereignty looks juicy
covert galleon
oh at least thats something
spice comet
W.e the additional curse one will be spicy too
restive trellis
yea
elfin iron
I'm so fucking excited
spice comet
Yes you can have +2 curse ammys now
elfin iron
do they stack
elfin iron
can you get vulnerability on rings
covert galleon
only warlords and assassins mark
covert galleon
but u can get it on gloves
spice comet
Yeah a +1 curse assassins mark multi mod would be insanity
restive trellis
I'm going to try going that new poison skill with gloomfang
covert galleon
im gonna play minions and poison assassin for sure just dont know in what order 🙂
prob minions frist tho casue i havent play necro in a while
bitter ledge
Is there any confirmation if you can path FROM allocated passives on the skill tree?
bitter ledge
Yeah...
restive trellis
so you probably can't do that
bitter ledge
But it does say "allocates" instead of "grants"
covert galleon
lol thats true
restive trellis
what's the wording on intuitive leap?
technically intuitive leap is allocating a passive
bitter ledge
But it's not like the wording on the Scion "Can allocate passives from the [Class]'s starting point"
restive trellis
and then you can go on from that right?
covert galleon
Passives in Radius can be Allocated without being connected to your tree
bitter ledge
But if it does allow you to path from a notable, I can already forsee a programming oversight.
restive trellis
so I'm guessing you can't path from the notables
bitter ledge
😭
tough roost
No, cause then what happens when you unequip the item
covert galleon
can u unequip intuitive leap with allocated passives?
tough roost
Nope
tough roost
But a jewel is different to a piece of equipment
So I imagine it'll show up marked on your skill tree in a way that's different to regular allocation
bitter ledge
I feel like being able to path from them would be too broken...
tough roost
So you know "You have this node via an Enchantment, but cannot path from it"
covert galleon
yeah thats prob how its gonna work
bitter ledge
But I can't really think of any major uses for that off the top of my head.
Besides the one that gives you +1 to all max resistances
Forgot the name (I think it is soul and steel)
covert galleon
soul of steel yeah'
bitter ledge
But IDK which notables would be amazing to use for this.
Maybe graceful assault (onslaught on kill)? However, the opportunity cost of having onslaught on your amulet vs having any other notable probably isn't worth it.
opal ice
Do we know what builds might be getting nerfed so we know what is viable?
tough roost
+1% Max All Res
+1 Max Curse
+20 Life + 14% Life
5% Reduced Elemental Damage Taken / 5% Elemental Resistance / 15% Chance to avoid Ele Ailments
+1 Power/Frenzy/Endurance Charge
8% Chance of random Charge on Kill
+1 Minimum Frenzy / 5% Damage per Frenzy / 5% Frenzy on Kill
bitter ledge
I don't really like the crystal skin notable, because it feels too random.
tough roost
60% Spell Crit Chance / 15% Spell Crit Multi
Minion Damage applies to you
Minion Attack Speed applies to you
30% Evasion / 10% Movespeed while Phasing / 5% Dodge while Phasing / 10% Chance to gain Phasing on kill
10% Max Life / 1.6% Life Regen
covert galleon
Unpredictable Offensive + acrobatics can be nice
Channelling Skills have 10% increased Attack Speed
20% chance to Avoid being Stunned while Channelling
5% chance to Dodge Attack Hits while Channelling'
for 35% dodge
but i really dont wanna play cyc again...:D
violet nymph
you cannot get acrobatics
bitter ledge
Theyre probably gonna nerf Cyclone...
covert galleon
no i mean this notable on amulet + accro
tough roost
25% Fire/Cold/Lightning Damage / Damage Penetrates 6% Fire/Cold/Lightning Resist / 0.2% of Fire/Cold/Lightning damage leeched as Energy Shield
opal ice
I have a soulbane and divine ire build I've really enjoyed this league so I hope they're not nerfed.
vestal escarp
there are potentially a lot of decent nodes to grab from this
without having to path obscenely for them
violet nymph
infused channeling, impale and cyclone will be nerfed for sure
bitter ledge
Yeah, I feel like the pathing opportunity cost will be the biggest factor
vestal escarp
golem blood will actually be a big one
because 10% max life and 1.6% life regeneration on an amulet is huge
bitter ledge
I feel like removing the need to path 20 nodes to a good node will be better than removing the need to path 4 nodes to a great node
vestal escarp
good for life-based casters
bitter ledge
But I'm really unsure on what type of build I wanna make for the next league.
I actually wanna take this league a bit slower, not play any of the meta stuff and just soak in the game fully.
covert galleon
Im sure i wont go for the HH again. legion was the first league i actually wanted to have oneand i played so much to get it that i didnt have any fun after igot it....
so yeah ill go slow (slower) too
lucid stone
So synthesized items are never going core? :<
sharp wind
well not yet
lucid stone
I wonder how expensive bottled faith will be in-league.
Might be nerfed to like, 0.5% additional crit.
elfin iron
when do we get updated pob
copper kernel
after release
acoustic lark
alright so what's just stopping me from using cyclone at the pump and go afk for a minute or two?
jaunty ledge
I'm excited to see details about the necro changes
acoustic lark
especially since they don't attack you
jaunty ledge
did spectres again this league but only played it for a little bit, stopped at 91
acoustic lark
i'm going all out on skeletons
having 50 skeletons with femurs of the saints will be nice, plus carrion golem
zenith warren
You can have 50 skelis? 😁
bitter ledge
Halloween special!
acoustic lark
vaal summon skeletons
grave valve
red wharf
i dont know about it, i feel +1 curse enchant will be most preferable for mostly delvers
low tier/high tier maps, i bet speed notables will be more desired, its easy to get oneshotting damage without another curse
lucid stone
Should I temple corrupt my only 6l soul mantle?
minor olive
Yea
red wharf
if you can afford to buy after poofing, yeah
lucid stone
I can afford to buy, but I don't really want to. :/
lucid stone
I could sell my farrul beast to buy another soul mantle
Well it's 50% for a good outcome.
Either all white or some random corruption
Awesome if I can get socketed gems in there
red wharf
obviously 😛
i gave 7-8 voidforges to double corrupt services
1 steal-scammed, 3 white sockets, 3 double corrupts and 1 brick i think
lucid stone
I'm also currently using it, so if I brick I need to get another one before I can continue on this char.
red wharf
dunno what to hint you, i double corrupt backup items, not main ones i use currently
lucid stone
Well, granted that I have just enough to get 1500 vaal orbs, I could probably force 6l a good double corrupt if it's cheaper than the already 6l'd double corrupt
Sadly, there's no good staff corrupts for mines so I can't brick my backup 6l tremor rod
There's like...AoE.
And that's it.
Aww, I crashed when alt tabbing
frosty aurora
isn't that really damn power creep
i mean it promotes doing the league content
i guess
patent canyon
well its not really THAT busted
those oils will prob gonna cost total of like 5ex since there is no way its t1 notab;e
jaunty ledge
I wonder how they'll decide which notables will require the rarest oils
patent canyon
and you can only have 1
frosty aurora
yeah i see
jaunty ledge
you can have 5 if you use all the league uniques too
patent canyon
doubt you will use more than 1
jaunty ledge
but that probably won't be worth it
frosty aurora
rings seem to include only mini game bonuses
frosty aurora
hm
jaunty ledge
same as notables on gear and the tree
frosty aurora
if it quite literally allocates it in tree then yea
odd
golems blood is that regen one
in duelist
patent canyon
yeah 10% and regen
frosty aurora
good life
jaunty ledge
constitution would be a good one for builds that don't go to the scion life wheel
patent canyon
yeah you can now just chill entirely in right side without pathing to it
jaunty ledge
going to be interesting to see which ones are easily available
and what the new ones only available on anointed items will be
placid grotto
How would Storm Brand be for Blight? Looks like monsters are mostly clumped together with more coming in and from the trailer, they're limited to where they can move. Thinking either that or Arc should be good
patent canyon
or you can just wait for patch notes
placid grotto
I could...but I'm not going to let that get in the way of theorycrafting
patent canyon
schrodingers builds
jaunty ledge
I'm just going ED trickster again for my starter, it's so comfy
unless they fuck with it too much
livid lake
you can also only get 1 notable unless you use the armor set.
barren crescent
What would be strongest notables in general, outside of +1 curse
dusty cove
Well with the mine changes i might go play fire nova mines again
barren crescent
Sentinel/Cloth&Chain sound nice
jaunty ledge
for SSF I'd probably go cloth and chain or one of the other all res ones if they're easily available
+1 allres maybe
jaunty ledge
you can re-anoint them too
dusty cove
Rampage is also nice
jaunty ledge
rampart you mean?
the fortify one?
that's a good one for attack builds for sure
but it's generally not too far out of the way and the nodes leading to it aren't bad
spiritual aid might be worth it too
placid grotto
BTW paused the video for the "high level" Blight encounter. Here are the tower types. Seems all have the same options:
Fireball Tower MK1
Damage: Low
Range: Small
Casts a fireball
Empowering Tower Mk1
Range: Small
Improves the effectiveness of all towers
Does not damage enemies
Shock Nova Tower Mk1
Damage: Medium
Range: Small
Creates Shocked Ground
Cannot damage Flying monsters
Summoning Tower Mk1
Summons 1 Minion
Range: Small
Can only summon minions when previous minion dies
Seismic Tower Mk1
Damage: Low
Range: Small
Stun Frequency: Low
Always Stuns
Chilling Tower Mk1
Damage: Low
Range: Medium
Chills enemies
Cannot hit Flying enemies
hmm towers don't seem very effective either
dusty cove
you can buff them with ring enchants
placid grotto
I thought the rings were only like 20% increased damage. I don't think a tower kills anything while the player goes through them easily
vestal escarp
The question is, are towers affected by your auras?
If so, minion towers might be really good
azure notch
hmm really not sure about this one. i mean i like TD but not sure how it will feel in PoE...
can't wait to test it 🙂
GGG wtb ptr 😛
patent canyon
yeah but that 20% is really big on tower
vestal escarp
I hope it's not stupidly fast paced.
patent canyon
since its straight up 20% more damage
vestal escarp
Lets see if people get this nickname.
placid grotto
Perhaps but generally 120% of negligible damage is still negligible
vagrant grove
if i know poe things are gonna insta die within the first days
patent canyon
i doubt there would be towers in the first place if their damage is negligible
vestal escarp
I have a feeling that auras are going to be really good if towers benefit from them
placid grotto
Because they look pretty and GGG doesn't want to overshadowed the player
vagrant grove
zpds league
placid grotto
Hmmm auras could be fun but it depends how profitable the loot is. In the above video, it doesn't look too good from what I saw
vestal escarp
decoy totem op
vagrant grove
i think they will see to it being profitable enough...would be weird to not want players doing the league content
vestal escarp
oils alone are worth doing the content
placid grotto
That remains to be seen. I don't think the video dropped any
And Chris mentioned they differ significantly in rarity
vestal escarp
oils literally give you extra noteables without any further investment
chris also mentioned you can vendor 3 for the next tier
placid grotto
Did he? I missed that
patent canyon
yeah you can upgrade 3:1
vestal escarp
that means that the highest rarity oil will never be worth more than 3 of the second highest rarity, or 9 of the third highest, or 27 of the fourth highest
(goes all the way down to I think 500,000 of the lowest)
placid grotto
But you won't be starting at T1
vestal escarp
I'm aware
I'm just saying that it's not 'drop the high-tier oil or bust'
a decent mix of respectable drops gets you what you need
for the most part
in theory
patent canyon
meh oils will be fine
placid grotto
Likely similar drops to Essences
patent canyon
you wont need datamines for correct recipe either
vestal escarp
and if nothing else, even 'ok-ish' notables will still be pretty good
north dragon
the blight looks like legion 2.0
vestal escarp
blight is nothing like legion though?
north dragon
with lesser rewards
vestal escarp
blight is actually nothing like any league to come before it really
patent canyon
blight look like no other league lol
vestal escarp
not even talking about the gimmicks like towers
the actual mechanics
the only thing similar is an eleron mission, but this is 1, actually rewarding, 2, actually interesting, and 3, actually has mechanics that require you to play well
wet plaza
how do you know its rewarding
patent canyon
if its not it will be fixed 2weeks in
you cant have shit loot or mechanic will be skipped
vestal escarp
PoE hasn't really had unrewarding content recently that has stayed that way, barring mastermind
and that's getting fixed
placid grotto
Blight reused legion chests
vestal escarp
I'm honestly fine with them re-using legion chests?
placid grotto
That seems to be about it
north dragon
looks like if u manage to clear a portal's wave before your orb gets destroyed * maybe) u get that portal's reward
vestal escarp
I actually am wondering how a lane is considered 'defended'
like what is the actual threshold to get a chest
placid grotto
I wouldn't bet on Mastermind getting run more. It still scrambles your board
vestal escarp
yeah but mastermind gives you reward rooms for every member of the syndicate
that's...pretty big
red wharf
plus only half of safehouses are worth opening
patent canyon
yeah and they are all tier 1
placid grotto
Mastermind would literally have to reliably give multiple exalts to be worth it
patent canyon
aka shit loot
vestal escarp
they're all tier 1 rooms?
it says it's according to the rank of the person in syndicate in the post
patent canyon
same as they were on board
vestal escarp
i.e. if you have that rank 3 cameria
red wharf
theyre stubborn with mastermind fixes, all we dont want, is this hierarhy scrambling
vestal escarp
you get rank 3 cameria reward
placid grotto
And then you have to rebuild the board so you don't get R3 Cameria for a long time
patent canyon
also lose the friendships
patent canyon
no one will do mastermind again for sure
placid grotto
1-member encounters aren't nice
patent canyon
it needs more than that
vestal escarp
what if it, I dunno, doubled the rewards for captains
patent canyon
yeah.. or
just take safehouse and set it up again in few hours
instead of wiping board and fixing for days
you dont get anything from mastermind either really
crafting services exists
vestal escarp
I mean I'll agree with that, mastermind uniques are mostly kind of bad
wet plaza
wat
placid grotto
It takes about 30-40 Syndicate encounters to build a board from scratch to one that can reliably be profitable every 5-8 encounters. Mastermind needs a lot more stuff to give that up
vestal escarp
or at least, not good enough to make it worth it to do it on your own
placid grotto
Much more than doubling Captains
red wharf
killing mastermind adds +1 or +2 ranks to all members 😄
vestal escarp
but then you might get stuck with It That Meme'd dabbing all over you with nonsense
unless they fixed that absurd damage
patent canyon
they did for most part
placid grotto
Might be worth it if everyone was T3 and double rewards
patent canyon
syndicate is again walk over
vestal escarp
if everyone was t3 that'd be kind of dumb
placid grotto
But short if that, I don't see how it's strictly worse than doing safehouses
In terms of currency/hr
vestal escarp
meh, I mean, I prefer running G-money to Cameria myself
placid grotto
Ivory Tower Game Design. Gotta have newb traps
patent canyon
ohh for as long as there is bronns chest game has enough noob traps
wet plaza
time to let cata just drop pure mirrors
vestal escarp
anyway...blight looks good to me
I wonder if there will be a boss fight map
blighted fragments
blighted uber elder
vestal escarp
"Nothing could possibly go wrong here"
You know what we need for a league mechanic?
Portal League
"You there, Exiles, I'm Cave Johnson. You may have already met each other on the prison ship ride over here..."
placid grotto
Only if they ditch the Temple and bring back the boat
mystic canopy
i bet the optimal strat will just be to ignore the tower defence part and just hold right click on a skill and wait for everything to spawn and die
barren crescent
What if you just cyclone on top of the blight thing
low kindle
with knockback
fallen tulip
saving this for later
violet nymph
We'll see i guess
I'm gonna make a fireball sire of shards miner and clear blighted maps with it
Fireball seems like it will interact very well with the league mechanic
barren crescent
Ye I think those blighted maps on high tier will be juicy
while normal encounters will be tedious
wary smelt
imma just play minion build and afk in middle til its over
cedar pewter
I'm split between minion and totems
I think minion health nodes might actually be good for once lol
placid grotto
It'd be cool if there towers count as minions
Though they do spawn minions... But not sure u if it counts as your minion
cedar pewter
Seems like another good essence drain league tbh lol
devout osprey
ED is both good single target and clear so idk if any league wasnt ED league
wary smelt
even then ur probs gonna hit like 1.5mil dps max
mystic canopy
guess it depends on how beefy they make the mobs
mystic canopy
exactly
cedar pewter
or more realistic 6m-15m
but that's not practical levels of gear
That's people dolling out mirrors like most do exalts lol
mystic canopy
they're not gonna make them beefy enough that a reasonably meta build can't wipe them
the power creep is just too high
then again they might nerf every skill into the ground so who knows
cedar pewter
What if every mob is about half as strong as the current league's 'boss'
That's about what I'm expecting
needing 300k~600k dps to clear in t2 maps w/o using the league mechanic, probably needs around 80kish with using them properly
eager terrace
it is going to depend on whether you need towers to debuff enemies I think
cedar pewter
Seems pretty realistic
eager terrace
like maybe direct damage is not effective until towers apply effects that make your own damage worthwhile
mystic canopy
i predict that making a phys blade vortex with the +6 weapons and holding down right click on the blight spot will trivialize it
eager terrace
it's definitely possible because like
cedar pewter
Depends on so much
it's hard to say
I'm kinda hoping they make SRS good
but the changes thusfar look very heavily stacked against it
eager terrace
on some level you still want people to feel like it more ARPG than TD
can't disconnect character power that much
cedar pewter
I'm a little disappointed in people's reaction, though. YT vids seem very low energy from creators
eager terrace
it's more worthwhile if it is just more effective in the other direction
where even weaker builds can engage a lot in "tough" league content by focusing on good tower structure or whatever
devout osprey
my hope is that they made this league "low effort" to work on 4.0
cedar pewter
we're still at least 9 months away from 4.0 though
I don't think they're in crunch time yet
I like that this league & the class changes actually mesh well
Last league was so awkward
Buff melee - make melee bad at the mechanic lol
glad narwhal
I still wonder what's planned for 4.0
Chris did say don't get your hopes up too high
But I think that's to people who think they were going to make a new engine
wild arch
I want Einhar's crossbow :3
placid grotto
What's up with people saying RIP speed meta? This seems exactly the content speed meta is good at
Am I missing something?
silver kettle
Well the requirements to succeed are a bit different. You still presumably need decent AoE, which I assume is what you're referring to. However, you won't need as much as something like Legion. More importantly, since the encounter is stationary and enemies come to you, movement isn't a concern and you have setup time. That means many slower clearing builds (e.g. totems/traps/mines/minions) will be able to do very well.
In that sense it's quite different to other clear-based league mechanics
placid grotto
Ah ok
I took speed meta to mean stuff like screen-wide AoE. Forgot about the actual move speed part
silver kettle
Yeah. All those build types I listed have no problems with screen wide AoE, but they're hardly speed clear builds
radiant pelican
what does 'mines now detonate in sequence' mean?
quiet geyser
you now detonate all mines isntead of one, with a small delay
radiant pelican
you won't be able to detonate all 10 mines you've placed in one blow?
silver kettle
They still detonate in one press of the detonate button
radiant pelican
that's probably gonna kill GC miner single target
silver kettle
It looks like the delay is about 100ms from the footage we have
ember hill
you press a button, one mine detonates, after 0.5 seconds(a random number) 2nd mine detonates, after another 0.5 seconds 3rd one detonates etc
radiant pelican
the whole point of it is to detonate all of the mines at once
radiant pelican
i've been trying to oneshot 6-man hp shaper for so long now
and now they do dis :c
quiet geyser
Rip old stat sticks
radiant pelican
after already nerfing base damage by 2 levels
violet nymph
I'm super excited for new mines
quiet geyser
Like its fine that they nerfed it. it was an absured boss killer
radiant pelican
not really
quiet geyser
No gc
radiant pelican
cyclone is a lot more absurd
quiet geyser
last patch
quiet geyser
It was good enaugh for single target, but not insane single target
violet nymph
The fact that it has any single target is problematic given its comfort
quiet geyser
🤷
radiant pelican
i've seen clips of cyclone killing shaper in less than a second
quiet geyser
you can scale alot of builds to that dps its allways the ammount of currency you add to it
radiant pelican
100 to 0
violet nymph
They should significantly reduce damage
quiet geyser
Yea
midnight phoenix
This meme that cyclone does fantastic single target dmg needs to die
It doesnt
It does acceptable single target
violet nymph
It does good enough damage for its level of comfort that it's a problem
midnight phoenix
With fantastic qol and safety
quiet geyser
Its not the best, but good enaugh so you dont need another boss skill
midnight phoenix
So
quiet geyser
If you say cyclon can reach 30mil dps, then you can get 60mil with other melee skills
midnight phoenix
With enough money u can make anything look good
quiet geyser
Bladeflurry/doublestrike impale deals way more dmg
midnight phoenix
In any case tho
Tooltip and pob are stupid for cyclone
Thats not why ppl say its a good bosser
It is a very good bosser
But its not cos of the dmg
violet nymph
Blade flurry/double strike clear isn't amazing though so it's fine
midnight phoenix
Its cos on any fight with movement ur uptime is fantastic
violet nymph
In comparison to cyclone
silver kettle
I don't really age with that WTD. Generally with my melee theorycrafting this league I've found it impossible to justify using any other skills because Cyclone does more damage
Like it does almost as much as Blade Flurry
silver kettle
That's not been my observation
midnight phoenix
Its not that much in practice
silver kettle
More like 20% more
midnight phoenix
Cos u can move and dps with cyclone
silver kettle
Just taking top flurry builds from ninja and changing to cyclone
violet nymph
Is a problem
silver kettle
That's also true
quiet geyser
Then you need to check how much health they have
there are some dsp" whores" on there just to be on top
violet nymph
22mil dps is a shaper per second
violet nymph
I.e. more dps than anyone would ever need
silver kettle
But regardless, it's always been about 20% more
midnight phoenix
I was getting about 90% more at the gear levels i was looking at
violet nymph
Cyclone should have like 1/4 or less the dps of blade flurry
midnight phoenix
Idk
Ditto
Fwiw the best burst melee dps skill is vds anyway which smokes both cyclone and bflurry
violet nymph
We're all basically in agreement that cyclone has too good single target for its level of qol
quiet geyser
yes
radiant pelican
no other details about mines so far?
midnight phoenix
Usual caveats about vaal skills apply
violet nymph
Either reduce the area to make it less comfortable, or reduce damage to reduce single target
radiant pelican
cause it feels like the delay is just the top of the iceberg
quiet geyser
just that the more you trigger, they gain buffs or apply debuffs
silver kettle
Mines now reserve a small amount of mana while placed instead of costing mana normally
tiny flint
Do we still get teasers if bex is gone
silver kettle
And of course you can throw them instead of them dropping at your feet now
I'm sure there will be much more info to come
@tiny flint looks like Natalia is stepping up
midnight phoenix
I think mines is something ur gonna have to play a bit with to judge
silver kettle
They will
radiant pelican
what about saboteur ascendancy and the passives?
midnight phoenix
Its very hard to tell from videos
silver kettle
No info yet
midnight phoenix
Whether it feels shit or not
radiant pelican
:c
violet nymph
I'm 100% gonna play a fireball sire of shards miner build using the dragon mtx specifically to break 6 man party computers
And tbh it seems like a great clear setup
patent canyon
gonna make sure to not play in groups
violet nymph
Unironically
radiant pelican
let's just hope the nerfs aren't way too bad
tiny flint
100% poison chance
radiant pelican
or there are buffs that are much better
midnight phoenix
Need numbers on the new skill
midnight phoenix
Also did i hear poison is being changed to do more upfront dmg and less over time
violet nymph
Stormblast
tiny flint
How can that work
alpine gyro
i've always wanted to blind myself while playina a game
tiny flint
Upfront dot
violet nymph
Something about poison and bleeding scaling differently based on crits
silver kettle
Still getting teasers 👍
violet nymph
I wonder if crit might inflict multiple poisons based on crit multi or something lol
tiny flint
Maybe crit consumes poison
violet nymph
Hit hard enough you stack 5 poisons with one hit
alpine gyro
multiple poison stacks would be redundant
quiet geyser
Why?
violet nymph
Who knows what they do
quiet geyser
Getting that viperstrike bino/pathfinder
violet nymph
But I'm excited to unironically play puncture deadeye
quiet geyser
yea
you cann allready have some 2mio shaper dps viperstrike builds lvl 90 with baisicly 0 equipment
charred wind
question, can u put 3 vials to get the notable on the corrupted amulet or not
devout osprey
highly doubt that
charred wind
so u put vials and after that corruption
devout osprey
ye
fair prairie
so those new oitments say they -allocate- the passives I wonder if that means we can use them to skip node sectors and start from a different point
wheat gulch
It means exactly that, it just unlocks the node for you
fair prairie
that opens so many build possibilities.
eager terrace
you cannot build from that node I think
livid apex
charred wave
So, if you pair this with Pathfinder poison prolif, do you get guaranteed herald of ice chains?
Oh wait, "you kill with hits". Herald of Ice probably won't proc itself.
latent wagon
anyway, HoI activates when frozen target shattered
not sure it will activate if chilled target shattered
quartz dome
that ring looks good
just get poison immunity for good measure somewhere
actually
this synergizes with bloodboil Winterweave doesn't it?
latent wagon
my point exactly ))
as I can remember, there are shield or so which negates poison damage, but left poison stacks?
or how self-poisoning golemancers live?
eager charm
whats some meme that cares about you being poisoned?
eager charm
I guess apep slumber/supremacy memes
latent wagon
yes!
new ring + winterweave + golden rule = possible suicide from own poisons, no?
lucid stone
Use Maw of Conquest or Watcher's Eye
Use it with Brittle to get guaranteed HoI chains
mystic sparrow
Do we know how the anointment oils work with Legion notables? Do they just apply the non-legion one, or the legion passive that replaces it?
silver kettle
we don't know yet
if I had to guess I would say that it would be modified by the legion jewels
minor oyster
I would imagine it gives you the unmodified one