so you can only enchtanr rings and amulets right?
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quiet geyser
unique hedge
one question
Some read this? "To support all the new skills that are available, we have added an additional bar of skill bindings."
gloomy fractal
delve depth is easy now how ?
fast spoke
quiet geyser
then a varanustra build will go rampage
gloomy fractal
4 is fine imagine a passive point on hh
quiet geyser
You can now get alle the ele pen nodes with out pathing there
Or getting 2 pierce for "free"
sly tusk
@unique hedge i would guess we get 5 more bindable slots
That, or we get a keybind to swap to "action bar 2" and we get 8 more
lucid stone
Are skitterbots minions?
Can...
Can you put skitterbots in mines.
And then they trigger the mines
Tremor Rod + Skitterbot for allll the redetonates.
WaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAIT A MINUTE
copper torrent
@sly tusk Excuse me, just found a source (https://massivelyop.com/2019/08/20/path-of-exile-announces-blight-league-for-september-6-heres-our-preview-interview-with-grinding-gear/) "There are five oils per tier, and 12 tiers in total"
5 oils * 12 tiers = 60 different oils.. boy, stashing these oils are gonna be a pain in the ass unless you keep vendoring 3 of the same for the next tier across the board...
lucid stone
Being able to throw mines means that they're great for purifying flame!
sly tusk
I would guess it's like nets, where you get 9 tiers while leveling and the final tiers from maps
lucid stone
Pretty sure sabo is getting a 2 pointer for skitterbots
sly tusk
So basically the lower ones are "worthless"
deep wave
Only 13 notables O.o
lucid stone
what
torpid sonnet
"There are now 13 secret passives that have been added which you can unlock in the skill tree only from oil combinations."
deep wave
Oh...so 13+ every other notable?
copper torrent
yeah, im comparing them to essence at the moment. i agree that the lower tiers will likely be shit, but regardless, lets say the top 3 tiers, that still 15 currency items, that only stack to 10x
I dont know man, i just don't the oils to eat up that many stash slots
dreamy carbon
wow, GGG tries to push people towards making them some money off stash tabs, what a bunch of evil corporate shills
lucid stone
So does that mean deleting characters is a no-no now?
sly tusk
Well, they had to make something shit to collect now that fossils stack
lucid stone
Or are the passives unlocked league-wide
copper torrent
and while i get that the game is F2P and the like, there is consequence of incentivising stash tabs purchase even more
dreamy carbon
that's not a consequence, that's the point. If you think it's a surprise or accidental that the items don't stack, you are wrong.
copper torrent
@dreamy carbon One thing is pushing people to it, but those who can afford it still has to deal with the management of these oils..
sly tusk
What about my sworn oath to not purchase any further mtx or stash tabs until they do something, anything to address trade!?!?!?!?
dreamy carbon
they don't release the patch and go "oh my god they only stack to 10 surprised pikachu"
wispy crest
@lucid stone what ? I understand it as "unallocatable passives" just added to the tree so it doesnt matter which character has the item its the same
copper torrent
I just wanna clarify though, i don't have an issue with stash tabs myself, im just trying to discuss here
@sly tusk Man i feel you about trade... i really do
dreamy carbon
discuss what? almost every league's new items have poor stacking which gets fixed later as a result of GGG trying to make money
all of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again
copper torrent
Do you really think that it is intentional from GGG?
weak elm
I’m ok with funding Chris’s card collection. Make another stash tab for me to buy.
dreamy carbon
they're not programming on accident, so... yes, it's on purpose
wispy crest
I dont even care TBH. It only bothers tryhards who use every bit of space to 101% efficence
lucid stone
So is it item-only, or does it show up on the tree after you unlock it
wispy crest
I will just have half a stash for oild
copper torrent
i know that the game is a business first and foremost, but i somehow just thought GGG to be above this, maybe i thought to highly of them?
glad narwhal
has anyone made a bingo for reddit complaints yet?
sly tusk
I've already got 9 regular tabs, all the premium tabs, and 4 quads anyways, I have plenty of space already
dreamy carbon
@lucid stone look at how existing items that grant notables work, they don't show on the tree
weak elm
@glad narwhal no bingo yet, feel free to throw one together
dreamy carbon
@lucid stone because then that would imply you could path from them, which you cannot
gleaming widget
So anyone else excited to play this new tower defense game I found called Poe?
weak elm
Make sure you put in there “Wahhh I have to spend $3 on a stash tab”
dreamy carbon
@austere spire you think a company is "above" their only way they make money....? what the fuck
sly tusk
What it means is that if you DO skill to it and allocate it, you don't double dip, that's why it's worded likenthat
dreamy carbon
@copper torrent sorry that message was for you
wispy crest
@glad narwhal
"Tower defence lol"
"So small stacks"
"Why delve easier"
"Masters no longer engaging"
"What about trade"
tropic grove
Hot take: The league looks slower paced and I like that :3
dreamy carbon
Slower paced over GGGs dead body
weak elm
Not allowed to have an unpopular opinion here @tropic grove
glad narwhal
"Tower cost too high"
"Having to talk to master for charge every time is annoying"
dreamy carbon
that's not an unpopular opinion, but it is wrong. People will always find ways to go fast
glad narwhal
"Blight doesn't reward SSF"
copper torrent
@dreamy carbon i suppose you meant to @ me, well i believe there are other ways to obtain the same goal.
Somehow i didn't think that GGG would intentionally make things difficult/annoying/etc. to push their own products, instead i thought they would have the game at a pleasant state in F2P and with the extras being QoL things.
weak elm
It’s actually no different than Legion. Just gonna spin around the main hub thing anyways after clicking towers randomly.
wispy crest
"What about raider!"
sly tusk
If your making a bingo sheet, the free spot needs to just be "trade"
weak elm
Meh, I like the way trade is
patent canyon
then you dont trade
weak elm
I play HC, not some sorta Softcore weirdo that sits in my HO staring at my stash tabs
dreamy carbon
@copper torrent think about it like this, why would they work so hard on a game and then not try to get people to spend money on it at all?
wispy crest
Just make stronk nuff build to not need them "lol" @quartz dome
trail umbra
any build ideas for the new league guys?
quiet geyser
Does this also mean syntesis items are back?
weak elm
Just buy both supporter packs like @worldly scaffold does every league 👍
dreamy carbon
@trail umbra nice troll 0/10
worldly scaffold
I buy one every 2 leagues excuse me
weak elm
Riiiiiight
wispy crest
@trail umbra Cobra strike miner
quartz dome
I was hoping to maybe try out wander so maybe I can just auto-win with power siphon or something
dreamy carbon
@quiet geyser why would Synthesis items be back?
quiet geyser
BEcause they added synthesis boss fight
wispy crest
Huh
weak elm
It did say something about integrating synthesis boss fights into the league
wispy crest
I guess
quiet geyser
grave valve
so basically
weak elm
Maybe it’s just the ring rewards from the bosses?
wispy crest
Ah
quiet geyser
wispy crest
Also the flask @weak elm
quiet crow
Do we know whether towers must be used to complete blight wave? Say if you have enough DPS to just kill everything?
wispy crest
Dude
quiet geyser
i mean 1 is crazy enaugh
quartz dome
Combine three Oils to enchant your Amulet with any Notable Passive Skill from the Skill Tree.
oh I misread and thought this said keystone fsr
dreamy carbon
plus 13 secret ones, if I understood that right
quartz dome
In any case, wonder of wonders does this include legion notables
I see a drawback with this though; if you're "allocating" it, getting it on the tree too would yeild no effect
so it's good if the notable is on the other side of the tree
dreamy carbon
what, how is that a drawback
quiet crow
At least 1 free passive
quartz dome
Okay let's say you're pathing through, idk, the life node outside marauder
if you get a necklace with this life node "allocated" on it, it does nothing
quiet crow
It can also be overwritten to something else though, fairly trivial hopefully
dreamy carbon
yeah just like any other instance of getting something twice, it's not good
quartz dome
well hopefully each oil combination yeilds a static notable result
so we can just get a spreadsheet of what does what
and get the templar life node as a ranger or something :v
actually ultimately this will benefit ranger and shadow the most since they won't have to travel the entire tree length for major life nodes
quiet geyser
i mean you can get 2 pierce now just saying it again
dreamy carbon
that's the idea, and probably why they had to add 13 "secret" ones, to fill out the chart
quartz dome
there's a bunch of notables on the tree that are really nice but in awkward places
like say, "Arcane Swiftness"
5% increased spell damage per 5% block chance
really awful to try to grab with gladiator
but now, trivial
quiet geyser
Yea there are alot of good ones
forest glacier
Even the big notables are possible?
quiet geyser
??? xD
dreamy carbon
there aren't big notables lol
quiet geyser
Small = travel nodes?
medium = notables
BIG ONES = keystone
dreamy carbon
that would be insane
forest glacier
so like behind blood magic is possible?
torpid sonnet
... reduced range?
quartz dome
Mortal Conviction was changed into a keystone
quiet geyser
and the notable got reworked into a keystone this leauge
quartz dome
Clever Construction will be chase for trappers
forest glacier
did they say something about mines being homing bots?
quartz dome
well some weird templar trapper or something anyway
quiet geyser
Yea some wierd nieche build, but not for the mayority of trappers
dreamy carbon
yeah I think we all get it, it's a great system for x class and y notable on the other side of the tree
forest glacier
i like the idea of having a bunch of mine drones following you
quartz dome
Charisma will be chase for aurabots so you don't need to path like a crazy person all the way over to ranger for it anymore
violet nymph
i wonder what the cap is on cooldown for badge of the brotherhood
quiet geyser
Constitiution for everyone
quartz dome
oh sorry let's stop talking and close the channel
limpid wigeon
oh god
quiet geyser
Yes counterweight for spell casters
violet nymph
Yo blight supporter packs look dope as fuck
violet nymph
we got fucking eye of sauron as an armor set
quiet geyser
Well thats just your opinion
quartz dome
this league looks like it'll be thumbscrews for strong rewards but we'll have to wait and see
sly tusk
@torpid sonnet my guess is towers you place are limited by their range, so you can't have 2 towers in range of each othee
quiet geyser
It looks like a combination of poe and Dungeon Defenders
dreamy carbon
extra skill bar, master rework, unique overhauls, two leagues going core, there's a lot of stuff to do
limpid wigeon
judging by how synthesis went if the league mechanic is strong loot gated by awful feeling content
people are not gunna be happy
violet nymph
well the league rewards will prolly be not great so redit will complain and day 4 patch will overbuff the loot
placid grotto
Sabateur's tree passes near enough Templar it shouldn't be an issue getting Clever Construction
dreamy carbon
lol less than 2 hours in "league looks like it sucks" okay man
deep wave
Whisper of doom +1 curse amm O.o
solid nova
HMMMM, boots have "Movement Speed Is 150% of Base Value" move on over Kaom's Roots?
quiet geyser
oh god
violet nymph
i never understood peoples hate on synthesis it was pretty fun and op as fuck
kindred dagger
I think this league will be a bot slower and thats perfectly intended as for the game and as for the development, they'll probably try to balanece more class like they are trying for necro or assassin, and then they slow tre game a bit cause they said its was a bit crazy those few league
limpid wigeon
synthesis was insane busywork
trail umbra
i love the blight music theme btw
violet nymph
made some of the most overpowered base items
quiet geyser
Eh syntesis wasonly nice when you had a lot of time and the syntesiser felt like crap.
dreamy carbon
@violet nymph were you there for day 1 of synth? it was really fucking bad
wild arch
Why is that cobra attack a thing?
kindred dagger
That should give them some time to prepare the 4.0 update
deep wave
Game:towers Me:TOTEMS
violet nymph
ya i agree day 1 was piss poor but it ended pretty good i feel
quiet geyser
Its one of my favortuite leauges overall, but it had realy big problems
kindred dagger
but even with that the work on those league mecanics seems there
placid grotto
That's part of it; implicits were either great or bad. Not really anything in between. As well as the PITA to get the materials
dreamy carbon
Synthesis was fixed later but the first week was terrible
delicate acorn
I guess im gonna do a miner on leaguestart
limpid wigeon
i have a very bad feeling that blight is going to have a similar reception
delicate acorn
Reckon gc will still be op?
quiet geyser
It doesnt look like a lot wich they could fuck up ^^.
limpid wigeon
i hope im wrong but i cant imagine that clearing the blights is going to be fun
quiet geyser
delicate acorn
Legion and synth i assume
limpid wigeon
honestly as long as synth is integrated without the memory placing aspect im happy
limpid wigeon
the zone to zone aspect of synth was okay, just lacking
delicate acorn
I still have no idea how that worked
quiet geyser
make it less op but easyer and more clear
limpid wigeon
good
delicate acorn
Skipped that shit
quartz dome
oh god damn it I was going to do wander but they went and changed necromancer up
dreamy carbon
If it's only Synthesis boss encounters, they're probably putting them in Delve, right?
quartz dome
guess it's necromancer for the eigth time in a row
dreamy carbon
combined with the "easier to Delve" thing?
dreamy carbon
sucks to suck
forest glacier
can someone explain how master missions work now? Do we just collect them in maps and run them later?
quiet geyser
Yes
forest glacier
nice
quiet geyser
But they will probebly be seperated by tier,
white only in white, yellow in yellow ... etc.
dreamy carbon
@forest glacier we don't have more information
forest glacier
how will that work for delve tho
delicate acorn
I guess the map device will let you put masters on maps
forest glacier
oooh
dreamy carbon
it's all speculation right now
forest glacier
so you could collect zana missions?
dreamy carbon
we don't have more details bro
solid nova
yeah, my guess is you earn a random master point sometomimes when you finish a map
quiet geyser
Yea but they will probebly only work in that tier by the looks
like split in white , yellow, red
forest glacier
holy fuck the carrion golem looks sick
heady wolf
Yes, now that I look at this screen, seems to be tier divided... pity...
Still miles better, than it were
dreamy carbon
pity?
limpid wigeon
i think this league is only gunna be salvageable if clicking the towers is basically optional
worthy basalt
just do a red map before the day ends
forest glacier
PIETY?
limpid wigeon
and you can full clear just by dealing with the enemies yourself
quiet geyser
IMO, it doesnt fixes the main probelm with masters, but it makes it much more enyjoable
you still will gain masters you dont want at the same ratio
autumn drift
@limpid wigeon u think?
limpid wigeon
not many people like totem builds
autumn drift
@limpid wigeon would be awesome if its likr that
quiet geyser
This change is miles better then what we had before, i dont want to disagree to that ^^
forest glacier
skitterbots are what they are called, seems like a boost to boss fighting on mines cause they sorely need em/s
devout osprey
how will it work with syndicate? u ask jun before doing quest?
quiet geyser
you will gain them on completing the map
quartz dome
- does not say 'socketed', it's ALL YOUR GEMS
quiet geyser
and then chose when to do
quartz dome
- doesn't say 'no poison'
forest glacier
phys to chaos build?
solid nova
yeah, that might be very strong, or absolutely useless
limpid wigeon
very strong methinks
dreamy carbon
+6
quartz dome
or +6 if it stacks
heady wolf
and some double corrupts perhaps
limpid wigeon
yeah +6 it will stack
quartz dome
+6 BV will be just simply dumb
forest glacier
bv usually gets ele conv right?
solid nova
yeah
dreamy carbon
yeah there are more downsides to that than you're thinking about
quartz dome
poison BV is pretty good though
limpid wigeon
levels are basically flat damage
quartz dome
I mean at the endgame ultimately rares will outdo anything, that's sort of the point of it?
but as-is this is just really strong out of the box
forest glacier
herald of agony is a physical gem
marble harness
OT: Are we able to get a Notable from the Legion League (with a legion jewel socketed) by anointing an amulet
solid nova
bladefall traps anyone?
quartz dome
also watch necromancer somehow use the new robot minions to better advantage than sabatour
dreamy carbon
@marble harness the guess would be no, leauges don't typically interact like that, but we don't know for sure
forest glacier
why not both
quiet geyser
Also seeing spiritual aid, rangers with 240% minion dmg jewel
limpid wigeon
trappers already got their changes
like 2 or 3 leagues ago
it specifically says "The Mine Saboteur Archetype"
marble harness
@dreamy carbon even if i changed the notable with a jewel?
wispy crest
"Ok guys so we use skitter bots with flesh offering and blink arrow mines...."
quartz dome
I mean you can do necro miner you get at least spirit offering as a bonus to your damage ... I think
dreamy carbon
@marble harness Like I said, they typically don't have that level of cross-league interaction. We don't know for sure, but probably not.
marble harness
kk thx
forest glacier
i hope they buff wild strike
limpid wigeon
they wont
quartz dome
oh you know what would be good, Spiritual Command with Speaker's Wreath
no need to travel accross the tree for it now
just stack dex for attack speed
limpid wigeon
good luck getting that
probably going to be synthesizer tiers
of crafting layers
forest glacier
you take that back
quartz dome
you know the oil results will likely be static right
just find the combo that gives Spiritual Command
forest glacier
it says enchanting so id hope not
quartz dome
done
quartz dome
you put three oils out of twelve, order matters, result is dependant on the oils
that's it.
no rng for once
limpid wigeon
is that confirmed?
forest glacier
did they say 12 oils?
limpid wigeon
its poe dude
quartz dome
read the fucking web page by jesus
limpid wigeon
do you really expect deterministic crafting
kindred dagger
I dont think order matter its just combination but yes there shouldnt be rng in this its writent in the descrition all combination give a different things, so the point is to experiment
forest glacier
im in an airport its hard to load everything
limpid wigeon
"The twelve Oils vary considerably in rarity, with each combination of them granting a different result. " i'd agree that it implies no rng
forest glacier
12 chose 3 has 220 options
quartz dome
I do not see how they can possibly make this RNG gated outside of oil rarity itself gating certain results
if for example the best notable is behind three of the rarest oil
(whatever that 'best' might be)
however after a month most people will probably have at least a few copies of every oil
forest glacier
220 options and possibly 200 notables
limpid wigeon
there are 346 notables that means
dreamy carbon
lol what
quartz dome
or, uh, something like that
forest glacier
can you only chose 3 out of the 12 oils to craft with
quartz dome
however the hell you math out unique combos
dreamy carbon
it's not 12!
limpid wigeon
it is 12
quartz dome
he means 12-factorial
limpid wigeon
oh
quartz dome
which happens to be an exclaimation mark
limpid wigeon
right
quartz dome
it's 12 choose 3 however you can have duplicates
dreamy carbon
I mean, @quartz dome both things you said were super wrong but okay
quartz dome
wrong on the internet how dare you sir
dreamy carbon
it just bothers me when people talk like they know stuff and your answers were 8.9*10^12 and 479 million
it's okay to not answer when you don't know
quartz dome
I mean it isn't actually because then I learn nothing at all
quartz dome
I immediately saw it was wrong after the act of writing it out
had I not, I would not have
perhaps I could have refrained from hitting the enter key but w/e
limpid wigeon
whats supposed to be happening here i wonder
heavy oyster
str vs dex
proven wadi
Do you think the new stampede prevents you from having your movement speed reduced
By like hinder or whatever
lucid haven
i think so, it seems set
heavy oyster
Relentlessness,. Nothing More, Mothing Less.
quartz dome
anyway the result isn't 12 count 3, it's something between 12 count 3 and 12 permutate 3? 12 count 3 assumes every combination is unique from the set provided, but you can clearly have multiple of the same oil. 12 permutate 3 assumes any order of any oil which is also wrong (and the result is 1320 which is way off)
quartz dome
no
heavy oyster
not that flavour text is exactly indicative of mechanics, but the wording is very suggestive
lucid haven
we are going to go all USA on the oils
just get em all, find the good ones to keep for sells and use rest on maps
heavy oyster
i'm not sure i'm looking forward to these tower defense mechanics though
lucid haven
seems like a lota of work
proven wadi
I am because I'm tired of clear speed focus
devout pivot
Csn u attack those monster or just the tower only
lucid haven
u can attack em
proven wadi
P sure you can
heavy oyster
well synthesis had really cool zones and mobs, but the tedium of the nexus was the problem
i just hope this league isn't all tedium again
lucid haven
towers help you, but probly cant do all work
proven wadi
For sure, I noped out of Nexus after like 3 tries
lucid haven
i wonder how the mechanic gonna work in lighthouse. remember abyses sometimes go all the way around the whole dam map.
also imagine having to run to chest at end of all those things in there...
i'd like a central place for the chest reward to come or something
proven wadi
Multiple chests?
lucid haven
yeah
proven wadi
Huh...
heavy oyster
oh my god all that clicking. nope.txt
devout osprey
yall are fine with clicking loot in glacier but not when it doesnt give loot
heavy oyster
i actually really struggle with clicking on loot
sometimes i takes me 5 clicks to pick up an orb of alteration and i feel like a grandpa
lucid haven
legion doesnt have 10 chest per encounter
heavy oyster
ugh yeah you gotta run around the map for all those chests... movespeed meta league; not a fan
dreamy carbon
@heavy oyster get a better filter and click less, I did it this league and it felt amazing
spice cipher
Goodbye speed farming with this mechanic lol
dreamy carbon
speed farming is not going away
heavy oyster
i was gonna do ice spear totem champion possibly but now im not sure
QotF raider might be hype again
lucid haven
also i wonder if spaming easy map boses wil make the master counter go up fast
dreamy carbon
master counter seems gated to tiers, white, yellow, and red counters
lucid haven
true, but u can run no mod yelow maps to stack up for sulphite and such and run those in good maps
then again, thats lota work
spice cipher
It’s really nice for returning and newer players so we can experience older league stuff without it being so heavily gated. Opens up the endgame too.
dreamy carbon
yeah the problem with your strategy is spending a bunch of time in no-mod tier 6 yellow maps
so that's just complete wasted time
lucid haven
30 sec per map
get a straight t5 run boss and repeat
then get t10 max buff for sulphite and run some tmeples etc
spice cipher
Just play normally tbh that’s way more effective in the long run imo
lucid haven
i will, just wonder if people gona do it
dreamy carbon
yeah, t6 btw 😉
lucid haven
yeah >.>
dreamy carbon
I could maybe see t11s being run so then you can Einhar for the good stuff but... seems kinda bad still
lucid haven
maybe ssf way to get rid of bad maps and gain buff on good maps
but yeah to much work
spice cipher
I’m sure some people will do it
dreamy carbon
the real upside is no more surprise Jun on your juiced t15/16/zana "do not die" map
spice cipher
I mean if you have an excess of shitty maps I’d prob do that
forest glacier
I thought they scaled the amount of "roads" based on map tier for more rewards
lucid haven
its the missions that spawn on the atlas , those wil stack
proven wadi
Ggg item sucker when
lucid haven
also i just pictured a torture chamber with the mod that makes only the vine spawn
hope they balance for having many rooms in a map
heavy oyster
they will, it's called unseal-from-atlas.exe
dreamy carbon
@lucid haven from the video, "Master missions now stack for later if you don't run them immediately" sounds to me like you see the master in the map and decide to run it or save it
lucid haven
i suppose doing shaped strat just became a bit more atractive again now masters dont spawn all over the place
they said masters can still spawn in the wild, but i forgot where
dreamy carbon
for people who were talking about it before, yes "every anointment combination is deterministic — the results from oil combinations would be fixed and not randomized." from the pcinvasion article
crystal pulsar
Any thoughts on the new unique dagger with +3 phys spells?
lucid haven
tarke was wondering about it, said maybe dual wield em or check if any minion has a phys tag
stone golems...
dreamy carbon
Herald of Agony is physical
heavy oyster
shared sulphite; big if true; but still no word on shared pantheon 😦
lucid haven
also hyped because they cut out some levels so u can reach deeper delves faster, i was geting sick of having to run way to easy delves to get to my lvl of mobs
dreamy carbon
They probably won't share pantheon ever because it's a "story thing"
lucid haven
could make em upgraded tho. u kil boss but then u gain full pantheon upgrades back
heavy oyster
i just wish theyd made the delve nodes faster
azurite nodes are worse than pulling teeth
dreamy carbon
yeah what path of exile really needs is more speed
lucid haven
u wil go deeper faster now so the mobs wil be more challanging faster, so its slightly les bad now
heavy oyster
well, when you consider the average time to 36 challenges is several hundreds of hours played, yeah i would like more speed
i have this thing called a job
lucid haven
nevers takes me hunderds lol
just gotta work to em early and do some global/discord to find em
dreamy carbon
getting the top tier league reward isn't a cakewalk? waow
heavy oyster
ah yes the pay2win strat
heavy oyster
nah to be fair i think it's pretty balanced right now; not like the old days where it was absolute agony
dreamy carbon
"I have this thing called a job" jesus christ
heavy oyster
the complete map tiers challenge this league was highly excessive though
lucid haven
defeat brine king in maps while not being hit by any of the splashes ew
dreamy carbon
it really wasn't but going by your attitude I don't care to discuss it with you
lucid haven
ok back on topic, the video display the towers with MK1, u suppose u can upgrade em for multi wave or something?
proven wadi
Seeing as upgrades are a tower defense staple, probably
lucid haven
yeah but it doesnt seem like a real wave based thing
dreamy carbon
the entire-map ones might be? idk
lucid haven
the guy seems to be kiling most the time, making it hard to actually upgrade anytrhing
oh yeah thats a good call, the map ones
proven wadi
It definitely seems to last a decent amount of time
lucid haven
yeah but my point was, they dont stop to let you upgrade
proven wadi
Oh. Yeah you'd have to do snap upgrades
heavy oyster
the anti-melee league then
lucid haven
but i think khel's onto something. in a normal map it might be overkil and in the full map ones it might work more elaborate
and yeah i wonder if ranged can stand safe and spam
heavy oyster
the concern is they'll have to hop about a lot between mobs and being able to click on the towers
most tower defence games have pauses between waves so that would be nice if they're going full-in on this mechanic
lucid haven
let alone know which one needs to be placed
placid grotto
Whelp time to program a macro. Only making the decision is an action
lucid haven
they play to mobs weakneses, but what mobs are gonna spawn? is there a theme that can be strong against our build? like a chaos army or a fire army?
placid grotto
Make a second row of binds for which position on click
limpid wigeon
i imagine that theres going to be some cookie cutter setup some streamer figures out in the first few days of playing
and everyone just copies that tower setup
probably a combination of slow/taunt towers since most builds have dps out the ass anyway
dusty cove
dreamy carbon
nah, you know what slows enemies the most? being dead
odd steeple
seems like the right league to try Poison -- Poison is great at doing mega DPS to enemies that can't fight back
dreamy carbon
you know what makes PoE way more fun? Not worrying if other people are playing cookie-cutter builds ❤
livid apex
+3 to phys spells globally, deal no ele damage
finally support for brutality spells exists
odd steeple
I wonder how high you can push a skill now
dreamy carbon
it's fine but it's not amazing
odd steeple
I don't think the item is especially good, but it makes for good memes I expect
though maybe the best thing to do is still just craft a bow with fossils
you can make a level 31 Blood Rage 😛
vestal ether
Path of Tower Defence.
urban gate
Someone have the new Blight logo?
odd steeple
I did the theory-crafting out on reddit: I think you can make a level 37 Pride/War Banner/Dread Banner/Vulnerability/Punishment now
which would make a hilarious aurabot
odd steeple
I mean, you definitely can do that, you're just attacking with a 83 dps dagger with 10 weapon range if you try it
weak elm
That’s the kinda meme potential I’m looking for
Way better than the 8 Endurance Charge Nebuloch Pathfinder I was thinking about...
odd steeple
Cyclone levels give you flat phys and weapon range, so it's certainly 100% useless to do that
restive trellis
do we know if the blight notables stack with ones on the passive tree?
odd steeple
which I guess makes it a good meme
weak elm
Like, can you pick it on the tree AND have it on your amulet?
odd steeple
@restive trellis don't think anyone knows for sure, but by the wording, "Allocates <xyz>" I'd bet 99% no
restive trellis
makes sense
weak elm
That’s gonna be a no from me dawg, it shouldn’t act any differently than the current items we have that allocate notables on the tree
restive trellis
do we have any items that allocate notables on the tree?
odd steeple
We have items that allocate notables?
restive trellis
I'm pretty sure they only allocate keystones
odd steeple
we have items that grant keystones
restive trellis
which wouldn't stack anyway
odd steeple
but they're worded differently
weak elm
I’m looking at that stupid totem shield, thought it was worded the same
odd steeple
they don't say "Allocates Blood Magic" they just say "Blood Magic"
weak elm
Ahh ok ok
odd steeple
and so far it's only ever been keystones afaik
weak elm
Oh so ur hoping you can get the +1 curse on ammy and on tree
Then Vaal the ammy no balls
odd steeple
+4 curse ammy here we come 😛
weak elm
Does a Vaal overwrite the oil craft?
restive trellis
what's the craft counted as
odd steeple
I don't think so, it's an enchantment I think
dreamy carbon
it's enchantment-colored text
restive trellis
either way
odd steeple
and as of a recent patch enchantments don't get overwritten
odd steeple
huh? they definitely do
restive trellis
so it's still decent
dreamy carbon
"no one" uh okay
weak elm
Every occultist on the planet does
weak elm
Sure your duelists ain’t pathing up there
odd steeple
restive trellis
every build on the bottom half of the tree won't go it
weak elm
But Necros are gonna be the bees knees this league
restive trellis
so for most amulets it's still about as good as a +1 curse amulet
weak elm
But you could technically have 3 curse availability just from one amulet
And if you are willing to use the notable, and they stack...
Ur still squish as fuck though because ES is garbo
dreamy carbon
they don't stack
odd steeple
I think Champion of the Cause is a GG thing to put on an amulet
saves like 15 points for cursebots
odd steeple
sure, but especially that one
Constitution is not that amazing, because the scion life wheel is still great just from density of life nodes
but because it's so good for so many people
it's gonna be worth a lot
weak elm
Can’t go wrong with some life
restive trellis
assassination is pretty good for a duelist
odd steeple
Soul of Steel is where it's at
absolutely incredible node for casters, completely unreachable for them
wild arch
weak elm
Uhhh Soul of Steel is best in slot ammy notable
tiny flint
odd steeple
Bladedancer would be nice on my cycloners
weak elm
It’s gonna be a huge Necro league.
restive trellis
yep
wild arch
More like cyclone league am I right 
weak elm
Necros gonna pat big for that reduction
restive trellis
the league mechanic feels like it's designed around minions
tiny flint
Yes
weak elm
Cyclone league with the boiiiiis
odd steeple
it's almost like they knew....
wild arch
Idk I feel like minions will suck for it
restive trellis
they heard literally everyone saying
weak elm
Don’t shit talk Mines and slow play
restive trellis
"wow the meta is so fast and running around the map "
weak elm
Ice Spear Mines is legit
restive trellis
and made a slower league
wild arch
They'll run in front of the mobs and get instantly deleted
odd steeple
Poison is great when the enemies can't fight back 😂
restive trellis
I'm tempted to make my starter a whispering ice miner
daring mesa
i hope traps are getting huge buff xd
restive trellis
the minions will slow down the mobs
weak elm
Traps are RIP
restive trellis
and let the tower defense mechanics kill them
weak elm
HoAG Cyclone
odd steeple
+6 HoA daggers 😛
wild arch
Every league is HH TS league
restive trellis
time to build a lab runner to farm for hoa enchant
weak elm
We’ve come full circle back to my 8 Endurance Charge Pathfinder
restive trellis
could you convert it 100% to chaos before?
tiny flint
No
restive trellis
time to spam temple for those gloves
violet nymph
I wonder if they new minion will affect spiders
tiny flint
Its doesn't work
violet nymph
I could run spiders+spectres+golemboi
restive trellis
yea there are those new gloves right?
tiny flint
Yea
restive trellis
if there are white sockets converts to chaos
wild arch
This thing on slayer anyone?
wild arch
Endurance equal to frenzy equal to power
tiny flint
Freeze everything
odd steeple
lol and then go Discharge
weak elm
They need to stop making HoAG MTX
restive trellis
I'm waiting for that one person who makes ignite zombies
weak elm
Because I buy one every time they make a new one
tiny flint
Wut
wild arch
So if I understood correctly from the wording, the 3 minion ai supports are meant to be used with other spells
tiny flint
No they're gems
restive trellis
although honestly you know the most exciting thing coming in this league
weak elm
Yes to Hp
tiny flint
Just stand alone
weak elm
The supporter packs
wild arch
Oh
restive trellis
the additional skill bar
weak elm
Are the most exciting thing coming
odd steeple
I think they're gonna be like "39% more minion damage, your minions now follow your cursor" or something
wild arch
I thought they're support gems
tiny flint
restive trellis
based on what they said about having the skill bar added to support the minions
wild arch
Minions follow your cursor by default
weak elm
Fuck the skill bar, you all play Cyclone anyways
tiny flint
Maybe they're support
restive trellis
I bet it will be something that lets you target one enemy
then all your minions jump that enemy
with increased damage
wild arch
Assassin poison cyclone
restive trellis
on the subject of cyclone
odd steeple
or like "49% more minion spell damage, your minions now prefer to cast aoe spells" and "49% more minion projectile damage, your minions prefer to use projectile skills"
restive trellis
those new boots
wild arch
That's the carrion golem
wild arch
?
tiny flint
It has a beak
wild arch
This thing?
restive trellis
wait hold on cobra lash with gloomfang
odd steeple
do you think it's gonna be approximately as useful/useless as the existing golems?
or are they gonna overtune it cause it's new
odd steeple
looks the same to me
wild arch
The body looks identical
odd steeple
you can see the same claws
tiny flint
Oh ok
wild arch
Maybe the beak is just the other arm in a weird spot
Doing a generic minion build and having 3 carrions sounds good to me
restive trellis
it would be really interesting to see a build
where you go carrion golem
and as many types of non golem minions as possible
wild arch
Baron zombies, skeletons, raging spirits in a totem, chains of command, specters
Anything else?
restive trellis
blink/mirror arrow?
wild arch
Nevermind chains don't work
wild arch
Yup
How many sockets can you afford tho
Essence crafted weapons for 4 extra minions
No wait
restive trellis
if they re add boss synthesis bosses you can have maloney's
wild arch
Arakaali's
restive trellis
true
the new meta
5 different minions
7 different auras
the socket destroyer build
wild arch
And framerate
restive trellis
nah you can do better for framerate
probably
realistically every endgame poe build is a framerate destroyer build
every good endgame build
wild arch
(This is cool and all but I'm sticking with assassin)
restive trellis
do harbingers count as minions
wild arch
Been wanting to do a proper poison build for forever now
restive trellis
I'm probably going to go poison gloomfang assassin
with that new skill
I think the only skill other than magma orb that's a projectile with + chains
wonder if it would be worth going touch of anguish for that
tiny flint
im tossing this carrion golem elementalist with baron
around in my head
sounds good
but idk if I want to start it
restive trellis
because assassin is new
if it looks like deadeye would be better then I can go that
but it really depends on the new assassin
and if poison is good then I can scale poison on it as well
wild arch
Snakepit ice spears
restive trellis
the one thing I'm wondering is if it would be worth it to run touch of anguish
wild arch
Hold up
restive trellis
I'm excited to make a build that is amazing at clearing packs
and has like
50k shaper dps
since I go for literally everything related to chain
wild arch
Isn't full block/dodge gladiator gonna be busted for tower defense?
wild arch
Just freeze the lane
wild arch
It looked like there are a lot more that cross in the blighted maps
And are they gonna be knockback immune
Cause then a decent range cyclone will just stop everything
restive trellis
that would be fun
or knockback barrage totems
3 links to stick into any bow build
wild arch
Stun cyclone
restive trellis
4 if you add multiple totems
stun cyclone doesn't wrok
stun earthquake on the other hand
wild arch
Yeah it does
restive trellis
I guess against trash mobs stun cyclone can work
but it's less fun when you can't stunlock bosses
wild arch
Tidebreaker makes everything stun viable
restive trellis
cyclone isn't good for stuns though
since it's lots of small hits
what I'm excited for
is people using vaal lightning warp
wild arch
It's not good for it, but it's definitely possible
restive trellis
to troll
"would be a shame if some mobs were to get to the cyst thing"
wait hold on
can you give minions knockback?
projectile weakness
spam skeleton mages
no enemies are allowed to get close
sweep knocks back enemies on hit
so there must be some that are knocback immune
otherwise you just stand on the cyst
spam sweep
and they never get near it
or shockwave totem
I will laugh so hard if shockwave totem + knockback support becomes common
staff crit cyclone
with the blunt trauma node
or you could just use a flask
but that would be boring
wild arch
Or you could just kill everything
wild arch
True
restive trellis
most of these things at endgame
will probably be outclassed
by something something offscreen bow build
I hope some of the mobs have proximity shield
wild arch
I for one know a build that should be able to permafreeze everything 
restive trellis
or something where they give all mobs next to them proximity shield
that one garbage mine?
wild arch
That might work too but no
wild arch
Welp, gotta wake up for work in about 5 hours
Will think about more pointless builds that I'll never do tomorrow
kindred dagger
theorycrafting is the best part of such games more than playing it itself
spice cipher
After watching the Ziggy video I think this league is gonna be fun, at least I hope 🤞
deep wave
Did anyone notice any rare mobs that spawn during the blight encounters?
wary isle
I'm sure they will.
leaden wraith
as long as the mobs dont take 20 years to spawn
like as long as encounters are smooth it should be fun
placid grotto
Do you just need to defend the thing or do you need to fight monsters back?
Seems purely defensive to me
But not sure what the finishing condition is
native sonnet
Defense the thing by killing monsters
Clearing the waves/till the machine cleanse it
native sonnet
But I don’t see a timer remaining till cleansed, so might just be kill em all
placid grotto
IIRC every few seconds kills everything around you
native sonnet
Just go BV totems and stack them on top of the thing
leaden wraith
or had less mobs per legion encounter
it would feel pretty bad
also i hope they dont make it too reliant on the towers
placid grotto
Towers are going to be very feast or famine imo
leaden wraith
otherwise its gonna feel pretty bad to fail the encounter because you made 1 wrong tower
old egret
so, kinda surprised to hear that assassin is getting reworked. Figured it was in a healthy place, especially compared to raider.
leaden wraith
not assassin per say
old egret
but saboteur rework, combined with league mechanic, i think trapper/totem builds might be popular
vestal escarp
mine builds could be really good just with how blight mechanics work
old egret
traps work real well if the mobs are running down specific paths to trigger all of them
yea, mines too
placid grotto
I don't think it's arework. Just adding a node
vestal escarp
this is an extremely neat league though, imo
placid grotto
Looks champ/glad
old egret
yea, your move speed is mostly irrelevant
old egret
static defense or builds that put out a lot of burst damage should be good
old egret
totems, mines, traps, minions, brands, etc..
vestal escarp
tornado shot might still be god tier
old egret
TS will still be good with good gear
old egret
heck, things with low mobility that do good damage, the opposite of what is normally meta.
channel skills and such
plucky mason
might play a throwback SR trickster
it destroyed delve content
probably good blight too
for*
old egret
i wonder who leaked the league name, i had been hearing blight thrown around almost a month ago. thought it was just wild speculation
old egret
hopefully it plays out as well as it looks
havent wrapped my head around the rewards just yet, but if the chests are basically the same as legion ones, seems decent. The encounters will be slower then clearing a monolith, but maybe youre getting more per encounter?
i dont like the bit about oils giving benefits in blight encounters only, that sounds too similar to breach rings.. granted, they can do something else as well
vestal escarp
admittedly that's kind of feelsbad, but it can also synergize with your particular build, and is, imo, a lot more useful
as long as it doesn't override ring passives
placid grotto
I've always wondered if those are actual characters in the vids. Nothing chunks their health and there are no stats shown. One even has all skill slots hidden
I think one of the pics showed is separate from implicits
old egret
damn.. this league mechanic is really gonna change the meta builds. Just realized how well it fits with scourge arrow, too. most of the builds that weren't zoomzoom fast, or didnt have full screen clear, can still work with this.
vestal escarp
arc mines or totems will be really good imo
loud pawn
anyone else thinks this league is gonna end up annoying to play because of overly fast paced micromanagement?
i mean im too dumb to target mobs while attacking, how am i supposed to make split second decisions about my towers
and then actually click the right buttons
vestal escarp
that is, admittedly, a concern
loud pawn
its gonna be like bestiary again but worse
vestal escarp
I hope we have a pre-fire time of, say, 10-15 seconds instead of the trailer's 5-6 seconds
loud pawn
instead of "you need to fuckin snipe monsters down to 0.01 health"
its "you need to decide which of six buttons to click in 2 seconds otherwise you dont get loot"
vestal escarp
depends on how long a blight encounter takes to resolve
loud pawn
but then there's the problem of it interrupting the flow of mapping
vestal escarp
counterpoint jw: minions and totems
lucid stone
So if mines reserve mana now, does that mean mana reduction means more mines?
vestal escarp
reservation reduction
lucid stone
I hope theres not a 'reservation cannot be changed except by sabo node'
vestal escarp
I doubt it
lucid stone
Aurabot miner?
vestal escarp
lel
old egret
so,about the whole 'saving master missions'. does that mean you could do pseudo rotas with your missions too?
vestal escarp
but yeah, summons and totems are gonna prob be really good this league
loud pawn
haha good thing im planning to start with glacial cascade miner
vestal escarp
In theory I suppose @old egret
loud pawn
guess i'll have to see sabo changes first though
vestal escarp
I'm prob going necromancer depending on the exact changes
either that, or it's time for the good ol' crusade slam
old egret
i wonder if you have control over what map they are on now, too. If so, you could save up like.. 5 einhars, get with another few people that have the same, and do like 15 einhar in a row
vestal escarp
you do have control over the map they are in
click a master, ask to do a mission, the map devices opens up
old egret
oh sweet
vestal escarp
so you can choose ideal layouts to farm
even specific map tiers, although it appears master missions are specifically sorted by map tier
old egret
if those scarabs are staying in game, they'll be much cheaper i think.
yea, so you'd need like 'red einhar' saved up, thats fair
old egret
for sure
vestal escarp
but it also means that you can use crappy maps to soak up master missions too
if you just want to run the content
but not harder maps
if that makes sense
like, you don't need to focus on rippy incursions, for instance
vestal escarp
yeah
old egret
but high level
vestal escarp
or at least not one that's stupid
vestal escarp
you know what would be nice? crossover maps with blight
imagine, say...
blighted beachhead
loud pawn
@lucid stone wait whats this about mines reserving mana
vestal escarp
if you didn't watch the ziggmiester's video, what are you doing
old egret
looks like.. 1% or something
vestal escarp
go watch it
lucid stone
So
old egret
cause they are also having auras they apply until detonated
loud pawn
i had legitimately forgotten that other news sources cover the new leagues
lucid stone
Abyss jewel stacking with 1% reduced mana
old egret
little miniature auras, its cute
lucid stone
Get like twenty
old egret
eh, the reserve mana doesnt seem like a big deal. just to prevent you from reserving 100% i think
but then again, they aren't doing crazy min/maxed builds in these videos, so maybe im wrong
lucid stone
If I get it down to 0% reserve cost with mirror gear, does that mean infinite mines
old egret
i think there is still a limit on total mines placed?
lucid stone
Dont break my heart
old egret
but im just guessing, dont think they've mentioned that specifically
the new mine they showed, does have an increased effect for how many mines you have out, it sounded like
lucid stone
Probably diminishing returns
lucid stone
3-4 might be more of a boost than 4-5
loud pawn
tfw raider only getting numerical changes
loud pawn
put on some eurobeat cuz we're going faaaast
vast gazelle
running in the 90s blares from headphones
tidal ruin
I totally had a mine build going
then haha rework incoming
well I'm sure mines will be way better
vast gazelle
inb4 absurd multipliers mines get removed
because theyd solo blight encounters without towers
loud pawn
rip tabula gc swap lab farmers
old egret
so ive got the real question.. if they come out with blight themed mtx, will we get a blight themed blight gem? 😄
loud pawn
inb4 blight weapon effect
cedar pewter
Summoner looks good
loud pawn
actual ai support gems and extra keybinds, yes please
eager charm
I'm just sad that the blight league is "meh" for the blight gem
midnight phoenix
Idk about ai support
If i wanted to use half a dmg slot for minion iq i alrdy have minion speed
hot quail
depends on whether or not minion ai support has any bonuses to speed or damage but making them aggressive does sound appealing
royal plaza
Do you guys think it means that Master missions don't spawn in maps anymore and just get stored .or do you think they still spawn?
loud pawn
no i think they still spawn?
sour mountain
you can now play golemancer before you get primordial anger
loud pawn
but the main source of master missions is now the ones you can save up