when will we be able to finish zana quest line when game kick you out 10 maps in a row ?
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fierce plank
is that cause league mechanic or what ? i have never experience such bug..
animation of elder grabbing shaper cut in the end and i cannot complete map.. 10 times in a row ?
wild arch
@midnight phoenix Just get a tiny bit of life on hit and you're good to go
midnight phoenix
I really cant think of any situations where if i had that much leech i wouldnt rather just have the leech
proven wadi
if you had no resists
midnight galleon
what, you mean theoretically 100% leech/s rather than 50% damage reduction?
proven wadi
200% life leech actually
midnight phoenix
Yea
midnight galleon
yeah lol scaled it
midnight phoenix
Like
If u could get i dunno
160
I would be like alright lets give that a go
wild arch
Consider it this way: your life leech means shit if you get oneshot, this setup on the other hand reduced the chance of you being oneshot by 40%
midnight galleon
i mean it's ultimately just a question of one shot sustain vs a slew of incoming damage
midnight phoenix
At 100 im like okay my life pool is twice as big but i have no sustain
So im gonna die
midnight galleon
i can see some gluttony build use it
it'll still suck vs bosses but it's a step in the right direction
midnight phoenix
It's not like ur gonna unspec ur keystone every time u boss tho
And u need a LOT of lgoh to sustain
Like claws plus plus
midnight galleon
claws watcher+vital lgoh gluttony
midnight phoenix
And then u gotta stack a ton of leech on top of that
Or ur keystone does nothing
wild arch
Thief's torment 
midnight galleon
i dont think leech is hard to get these days with phys leech availability and phys damage being preferred to scale
midnight galleon
yeah
it'll be something like slayer, martial experience, hematophagy, void vital, vital watchers
arakaali too hard to get these days sadly but at this point it just feels like it's far too much investment you won't really have much damage
midnight phoenix
Then u need a bunch of lgoh on top of that
Yer
And even that gets u to like only 60 or something
midnight galleon
I mean i think it's not a net negative to make a build just really annoying
midnight galleon
honestly with some money, molten, you get like 300 lgoh/hit i think it's actually pretty strong defensively
midnight galleon
i'm sure you're enjoying the target practice but i'm just theorycrafting fam
so negative 
midnight galleon
actually toxic
midnight phoenix
Only to u
wild arch
Why paradoxica so expensive all of a sudden
midnight phoenix
Cos melee league
midnight galleon
that's probably the most damning thing about my approach to theorycrafting because it'll suck ass for anyone trying to emulate running around matching unreasonable investments
midnight phoenix
Also if anybody is farming mastermind on day 4 they arent doing it consistently without jun prophecies
midnight galleon
there's a lot of flat damage this league
midnight phoenix
Which are expensive
midnight galleon
not only accessible via tree/jewelsgems/ascendency but also really nice forms of scaling
wild arch
I just wanna do a damn chaos attack build .-.
midnight phoenix
Jewel flat is super blarf this league
midnight galleon
that's why people are dumpstering content with potcg so paradoxica's just a more expensive upgrade
yeah i meant gems not jewels
anything that's a global % based scaling is going to be pretty nutty for scaling, get your brightbeaks out lol
proven wadi
people are using pillar of the caged god?
midnight phoenix
Its still only-use-ironically tier
But its better than what it was before
That being 10ex to clear blood aqueduct tier
midnight galleon
@proven wadi https://streamable.com/yhmfi
the damage is absolutely fucked because of the availability of flat phys this league
also a decent player using abyssus
midnight phoenix
Abyssus is decent tech for uber elder tbh
If ur dying to phys in that fight its usually cos u stood in squid poop
So if u dont make a habit of being a baddie its basically fine
midnight galleon
and with all the sources of flat, ipd% on tree being close to 5-6%, it's an incredibly viable option now
let alone some of the new staff nodes + the str cluster on tree, like i'm always get 90-100 str on utmost might
midnight phoenix
Well idk about incredibly viable
Its still a pillar of the caged god at end of the day
Its just like
Not in the tier of uniques where u should vendor urself before using one anymre
Like it used to be down there with taproot
midnight galleon
that's giving it far too little credit
also incredibly archaic thinking, metas change
just because something's under utilized you can't really use random meme phrases like "it's still ____" for an assessment
people do that all the time to whispering ice
midnight phoenix
Oh come on man i appreciate it got better
But theres so much room between 3.6 pillar and good
midnight galleon
idk man you show me a 2min shelder clear with a 1 alch weapon
midnight phoenix
Like if u have to use an abyssus for the item to not suck, that's good for uber elder
midnight galleon
legit whispering ice's only knock is on its pace of play
midnight phoenix
But its fuckin bad for anything that does phys to u
And if ur potcg u cant take off the abyssus
Or ur build loses half its dps
midnight galleon
yeah but it's more like a showcase vs a boss do you think a build with that much visual damage output on shelder wouldnt do well without it?
midnight phoenix
I think theres a pretty good reason he's using abyssus, yes
midnight galleon
comparing being able to clear map garbage vs shelder is quite the reach imo
midnight phoenix
Like u look at legion mobs this league
They're pretty tanky in reds
And now as potcg u have a choice
U can oneshot them with abyssus and maybe get offscreened
Or u can take off the abyssus and u sometimes die cos they get a cast off
midnight galleon
the pob's at 5mil shaper dps fwiw, abyssus isn't counting for more than half of it
the game's damage scaling is completely fucked now with flat phys and global % increases
this is just a byproduct of it
midnight phoenix
Like dont get me wrong pillar got a big buff
midnight galleon
and there's not many weapons that do the same thing
yeah it's moreso relative to the shift in the meta not the weapon itself, yeah it's still a potcg
but it's a potcg with 100% impale, flat phys from rage, pride, maim aura, and new staff nodes now
midnight phoenix
Tbh the flat phys from cyclone is prolly as important as all that put together for potcg
midnight galleon
yeah, it's a culmination of everything that they tried to shift in the favor of melee in terms of flat phys scaling
midnight phoenix
Like if u wanna put on ur abyssus and make youtube vids thats very cool
And i applaud the creativity
I still wouldnt play it
Cos when u want to switch out of potcg ur fucked
Since all ur gear is built around doing pillar things
midnight galleon
Yeah unfortunately people will incorrectly tunnelvision on the abyssus as providing a major source of damage when it's just a bossing showcase
But I think that's the creator's error in making the video lol
it's good just not enabling
that's definitely the important point there
midnight phoenix
Well i mean i'll happily concede the point if i see it without abyssus, im just super aware of what that item does for pillar
midnight galleon
yeah honestly i think you'll have very few changes because it's ~800 str
you make one melee tree build you make them all
that still translates to 1120% ipd
the only differences in gear i see are an astramentis and warpath, what other %str gear is there
lament dagger
You can honestly get a ton of added Phys if you are mapping and using Rage
midnight galleon
yeah it'll probably be pretty pepega clear compared to other 2h's at 1.3 aps stacking rage and warpath only being 20% ms but i dont think that's too much of a dealbreaker
this isn't 2016 we already know it doesnt take 2mil dps to map smoothly
if at some point we do get impale support for pob i'll revisit but until then i cant give anything besides providing a showcase of a relatively fast shelder clears and some basic points on how to scale damage
violet nymph
Dont really need impale in pob. Ranges between 50% of your damage and 66% of your damage for the pure physical builds. More than enough info really
midnight galleon
yeah can just do this
as long as you dont have any flask effect, the increased effect % is local
violet nymph
The 50% more isnt exactly correct cuz impale effect
You end up with 108% impale effect
violet nymph
Also gotta adjust based on, so you have champ or not, cuz could be 7 impale. Also gotta account for +2 impale watcher's eye now
midnight galleon
one more phys no effect one 29%
yeah this is +2 impale for 6x7 to 7x12
thanks for the catch on the flask gotta dip, i ended up separating the lines so the increased effect doesn't bleed into the more phys, looks fine now
violet nymph
Or you can just do the quick math way. Either double your damage or triple it.
Double is normal, 2.5x dmg is champ or watcher eye, triple is both
When you are looking at millions of dps, small % changes wont be much. So quick math works well here.
midnight galleon
yeah the point of contention here was relative to the weapon, in general i agree but some builds scale pretty hard with flat phys especially in this case
like anything with paradoxica, potcg, brightbeak might see some muted effects from just a blanket more multi
violet nymph
Yeah. Its the best more multi cuz how it works tbh
It takes hit damage and uses that. So increases and more damage to x target get applied easily.
2x-3x damage total off one mechanic. Yaaay
orchid plinth
north dragon
im loving
low kindle
Too bad most of the new keystones are trash
violet nymph
@low kindle there is one thats pretty good actually
copper kernel
there are like 3 usable keystones
violet nymph
Hits cant be evaded and boom problem solved and lots of power
pallid field
yes
unkempt notch
44% cast speed map mod + vaal red sploody legion mobs = RIP
abstract pulsar
sooo... am I just bad? Playing bladestorm, i feel its really hard to liberate a lot of monsters...
level 85, i'm in early yellow maps
indigo dew
Nah I think it all depends on builds, melee is a struggle
and it kinda depends on map you want something really open
broken falcon
what do the timeless gem sos far do?
livid lake
theres a thread on reddit that shows how the name on the jewel basically affects the keystone that it'll generate
and the number/seed then affects the minor nodes
wild arch
So is it not possible to get 2 different keystones?
livid lake
i don't believe so
wild arch
Speaking of the keystones
The vaal one that gives 20% of life as es combined with soul tether and stitched demon sounds like a juicy combo
smoky ridge
any guide on the new jewels?
covert helm
Some of the melee skills are better at tagging large groups. Frost Blades and Cyclone hit a lot of the revealed enemies, flicker can do it too but is obviously a little less predictable.
flat pumice
I got basically zero loot from the domain of timeless conflict, with four factions. Bugged or intended?
wet plaza
how often did you kill the bosses?
patent canyon
if you only kill them once there will be no drops
also what the hell. i was wailing on him for 5minutes with his stupid mid combat immunity phases only for 8 splinters......
smoky ridge
any ranking on timeless jewel nodes
wild arch
Combine both for sick synergy
smoky ridge
?
50% of Non-Chaos Damage taken bypasses Energy Shield
Gain 20% of Maximum Life as Extra Maximum Energy Shield this seems cool
but no idea if its worth or not
wild arch
It sounds pretty good with soul tether
You can basically think of it as halfing all damage taken
smoky ridge
well i'm ED so X)
low kindle
Yeah vaal keystones are usable to a degree
Maraketh blind is cool on a minmaxed build
But most are hot garbage
smoky ridge
yea i found a jewel that gives a shitload of c haos dmg and dmg over time
but
i'm not sure if i should use the keystone or not
and with out POB its so hard to calculate how much dmg i get with the nodes
wild arch
You're not gonna get much out of the jewels if you randomly throw them into your build
wild arch
Except for maybe the karui one for melee builds
smoky ridge
i found a vaal gem that gives me 2x 32% chaos dmg node 34% minon node , next to the spiritual aid 11% max ES node in an easly pathable cluster
smoky ridge
yea it does but with out pob its kinda iffy
😄
and i have an other cluster
with 1 chaos dmg 30% / 2 damage overtime
30% spell dmg
and this has the keystone
wild arch
I guess best you can do is calculate how many nodes it takes to get all that and compare it to other things
smoky ridge
50% of Non-Chaos Damage taken bypasses Energy Shield
Gain 20% of Maximum Life as Extra Maximum Energy Shield
wild arch
That keystone sounds bad on an actual es build
smoky ridge
yea i thought about it too ,seems bad
wild arch
It really is just half damage up to a cap for life builds
violet nymph
The best keystone i saw was the 25% more crit but you are blinded one. Cuz its easy to bypass
dusty umbra
@smoky ridge which jewel socket did it have to be socketed in ?
Since im actually considering it on my hybrid/soul tether build
quartz dome
well now that I know which leader is which keystone, it's gonna be fun hunting for Venarius jewels that have cool mods
the large radius sorta kills the cyclone nodes but oh well
the charges seemed to rarely actually occur for me anyhow
dusty umbra
@quartz dome
50% of Non-Chaos Damage taken bypasses Energy Shield
Gain 20% of Maximum Life as Extra Maximum Energy Shield
This is vaal timeless jewel right?
quartz dome
reddit poster says ```Venarius = The Agnostic
Maximum Energy Shield is 0 While not on Full Life, Sacrifice 20% of Mana per Second to Recover that much Life```
that's the one I want
assuming the mana sacrificed isn't limited by aura reserve anyway
if it's based off max mana it would be pretty good
buoyant arrow
main ivy
Jesus, hall of grandmasters unintentionally got buffed.
Every armour character with vaal molten shell now oneshots melee one you break their shield due to the buff.
versed dock
😂
versed dock
Is there somewhere an overview of the updated passive trees with the special jewels?
dusty umbra
not yet 😦 ppl post on reddit occasionally tho
So annoying i want to find which jewel i need and which keystone does it change for this effect
50% of Non-Chaos Damage taken bypasses Energy Shield
Gain 20% of Maximum Life as Extra Maximum Energy Shield this seems cool
versed dock
Since I wanna find out if might be useful or not
But cba to buy all the jewels, unlock all jewel slots, etc. 😂
dusty umbra
you can find the effects on poe gamepedia
sick finch
Bladestorm initial hit feels rly weird like it comes very late and not immediately. Also please reduce the input volume of the WHOOM-y sound when used with 2handers.. someone please forward this to ggg nerds simple but important things
smoky ridge
i don't have the keystone @dusty umbra
i just use the vaaled nodes
but if you want to know which jewel has it its "gorius vanity" name of doryani
in description is says in the name of doryani
dusty umbra
@smoky ridge Already found through other chat and im using it now
- soultether, and still need a better gear / chest craft for 10% more
the small nodes get turned into crap tho
proven wadi
Man all these 2 hander nodes with inc physical damage leaving me sad wondering what I'll do when I switch in tryp
kindred dagger
so everyone playing cyclone slayer right ? sure melee league....
kindred dagger
Broke in what sense, like bug or unplyable ? i would say both personaly
I dont understand how this league is melee
lost tinsel
both. Was pretty buggy to begin with but was doable. Now it is unplayable due to the 'attack in place'
Died this morn since Flicker immediately went on cooldown twice in a row with enemies on me
kindred dagger
That mean you dont actualy sustain frenzy charge
lost tinsel
before then it has been very 'stuttery', dual frenzy charge usage, not attacking enemies in range, and just stopping in place
I sustain just fine, tested with exact same setup right up to 3.7 launch
but today shift+attack wont work
foggy bone
You do have much less attack speed now, remember that.
kindred dagger
Im disapointed a lot by these league, they messed so much with the game melee isnt stronger, the game is harder and no matter when full bug so you cant even try things or just appreciate even the basics of the game
lost tinsel
typical Oro/Emberwake/Taming + the eddtl 20% chance to gain on Base Flicker setup, but just crit on top of that (since crit ignites) so it should be even easier to sustain and was hoping to test without the unique rings and just go rares
buuut will have to wait for fixes. Now having to reroll into ED -_-
violet nymph
@kindred dagger league is fine for melee, as boss dps actually is one of the highest rewarded things in legion now.
kindred dagger
I find it harder than ever so
Even when melees were considered trash previous patch i had a lot of easier run than this time...
violet nymph
Also melee is in a great spot
Flat damage is EVERYWHERE to the point you can do red maps with a white weapon
Pure phys melee has huge support in impale buffs
kindred dagger
And fun fact, becasue of this "pretending melee league" every single thing you want to buy for melee had price skyrocket.... lol
so
fun
violet nymph
Its almost like 40% of the playerbase is playing cyclone
kindred dagger
playing cyclone slayeri dont call this melee meta
violet nymph
Its melee. Doesnt matter what you say.
kindred dagger
nope
wild crest
how is cyclone not melee lol
foggy bone
I've got a hilariously expensive melee build in standard that was using Vaal Doublestrike. Compared to cyclone with the exact same setup, it feels awful.
violet nymph
Hes being a salty ass because the skills he wanted buffed didnt get buffed hard enough
foggy bone
GGG really wants people using cyclone.
kindred dagger
still no
foggy bone
I wanted them to give some attention to Wildstrikes. I love that skill but it's so bad. :(
A microbuff wasn't what it needed.
kindred dagger
i dont care about one spell i like to play various things so dont say your shit upen people based on your tiny life experience thanks
violet nymph
Blade storm is strong, cyclone strong, cleave, strong.
foggy bone
Bladestorm is slow AF.
violet nymph
Tf you talking about
foggy bone
You gotta stop to do your little ballerina twirl each time. Why bother when you can just cyclone for the same dps?
violet nymph
Thats a mechanical thing. Same thing could. Be said about spells
wild crest
yeah let us move and cast blade vortex at the same time!
violet nymph
Melee is strong enough to be viable now.
kindred dagger
They just messed up the game you clearly can tell, they allways had trouble before on each league because the time is too short for their team and this time they try to do twice the work...
foggy bone
Melee viability was never the discussion, or at least it shouldn't have been.
It's always been viable.
The issue is the dramatic amount more you needed to spend to get the same result as budget spell builds.
violet nymph
Its steong enough to do t14s with a white map
Id say its in a fine state
White weap*
foggy bone
Spell builds are still way, way more tanky than a lifer can ever possibly be purely for EHP reasons.
foggy bone
In a new league, you're doing very well to get a few million dps with 6.5k+ HP. That's a funny joke to a lot of these spell builds already over 10,000ES.
kindred dagger
Thats what i stated before, when spell got buffed you would oneshot everything like double damage and so, buff stat, buff tanking buff damage but everything, for melee they pretend to buff and thats not the case, and at the same time they just change the whole game and make it harder so in the end melees get more fucked
foggy bone
Pure phys impale cyclone gives you tremendous damage now. It seems to be the best path which is sad. I wanted to play dual strike.
kindred dagger
of course you can play it but wow lets do like everyone and go for cyclone and why not some slayer because its so original....
still mural
timeless jewel info, from reddit https://i.redd.it/2r743nv8up331.png
foggy bone
Champion Cyclone is definitely better than slayer. Not sure why people don't realize that.
kindred dagger
dont know maybe champion is more well rounded where slayer is more explosive and safe ? with leech dont know
foggy bone
Champion is much safer, reducing enemy damage done by quite a lot.
It's also more dps by a lot.
Since you ignore accuracy.
violet nymph
Leech nodes are actually getting way less action
foggy bone
And stack a crazy amount of phys damage through impale.
violet nymph
From slayer
foggy bone
Yea, lot of people are ignoring the leech aspect.
kindred dagger
maybe they dont all play the impale in their build
foggy bone
Impale is an effortless 140%+ damage increased.
kindred dagger
honestly im sad they teased so much for melee and in the end its not that much of a big deal compare to what they did to spell
violet nymph
Impale support is in 50% of all cyclone builds rn
foggy bone
It's really basically free. It's insane how easy it is to get 90% chance to impale with 90%+ bonus effect.
undone anchor
Anyone know if spamming 2 way legions is better or 4/5 way for timeless jewels
violet nymph
No clue yet. Not enough data
@undone anchor
Im going to assume 4/5 will be more worth
foggy bone
You can but you have to use the dread banner.
And you don't get nearly as much dps.
The flat phys boost from champion is massive.
On top of the extra 2 stacks.
merry raft
Hmm
foggy bone
Ends up being over 140% bonus damage.
merry raft
As a (effective) more or as an increase?
violet nymph
On zerker its 108% more dps
foggy bone
With only 5 stacks?
violet nymph
Yup
foggy bone
That's over 100% effect.
foggy bone
It's an end stack bonus. @merry raft It's like more but better.
violet nymph
Quality on dread banner is effect
violet nymph
People keep forgetting
merry raft
But you still have to screw with accuracy
foggy bone
He's saying for berserk.
fast spoke
you only need to hit once then you have canno- oh
violet nymph
Also accuracy is easy as hell
fast spoke
I saw some champ talk mb
foggy bone
Herri's Truth pretty much does it for you.
While still being nice dps.
Over all, I'm guessing champ is still higher dps.
violet nymph
Its shit. When you can just bloodmagic precision
foggy bone
The 80-120ish flat phys is insanely strong.
violet nymph
Its 400hp for 800 flat accuracy
foggy bone
Well, truth comes with a bunch of crit and flat damage as well.
It's a nice amulet now, with how accuracy works.
fast spoke
champ is very strong with no investment but has a pretty low (still reasonable) ceiling
violet nymph
Or you can get crit, life, and resists and elder/shaper mods
undone anchor
this aint legion mechanics
foggy bone
Champ's ceiling isn't low in the least... What? Not needing to scale accuracy and having huge flat phys bonus on top of 20% increased damage taken by enemies.
violet nymph
Eh @fast spoke its pretty high now that we have +2 impale mod from watcher's eye
fast spoke
Mm that's true.
foggy bone
You can hit 20million dps cyclone with league gear, if you count impale damage.
I've POB'd it with only 430dps foils.
fast spoke
Can you .. send me that
I went a bit more defense heavy for league start since I didn't know what we were getting into with the league yellows and unique
The legion mechanics were a mystery to me
foggy bone
I'd have to build it again, I didn't save it. I'm using my standard character as a template.
He's got around 35million dps with his cyclone.
fast spoke
Ah fair enough. I'm mostly interested in keeping enough movespeed and aoe to clear the whole crystal
foggy bone
Onslaught + Adren Quicksilver.
foggy bone
I prefer Farrul's by quite a bit.
fast spoke
league starter with no currency still
foggy bone
Ah, well.
fast spoke
Yeah it's a 'build into it' kind of thing
foggy bone
Healthy usage of leap slam on top of flasking down the formation lines cleans up the legion events handily.
fast spoke
Idk how I'd like Farrul's for Legion though since you'd have to keep Pride for 50%, Cat 25%, Banner 10% and idk if I could fit blood/flesh anymore since that's another 35%
foggy bone
Anyway, off to work I go. I'll PM you my standard character setup if you want, Tank. His only legacy gear is a near perfect abyssus and Acuities.
fast spoke
That'd be great
lilac solstice
Does anybody know if Longshot (passive tree node near Point Blank) stacks with the Far Shot mod on weapons like Beltimber?
low kindle
Yes
fast spoke
Yeah it would since it's just damage instead of giving Far Shot again
lilac solstice
Any idea if its worth taking in that case? Seems like it'd be a good dps boost
lilac solstice
Ill keep it in mind thanks :)
tawny flare
does legion end like seasonal on diablo?
silver hatch
Do you guys go straight for chests or attack the legion?
violet nymph
@silver hatch icons first. Then attack things
Everything else is just fodder that gives some exp
wet plaza
pop it all with my mines
silver hatch
@violet nymph ahh
snow cairn
rares can drop splinters without any icons
gritty ember
sound like there might be a lot of new bugs in it this morning yes
elfin iron
the legion mobs hit super fucking hard
I have trouble with a random yellow one that isn't even anything special compared to the map boss
I even died to it
copper kernel
vaal and templar mobs are the worst
elfin iron
but I killed the map boss in 3 sec
how is there such a big desparity between the map boss and some random mob that doesn't even have a name
wtf
gritty ember
yeah. with just one rare 18k armor, 30% reduced damage taken and extra max res/phys reduction can handle most of it, but even with blind, 8000 extra defense from molten shell and so on a couple of rares can really fuck you up
clever pivot
Yeah there's a few telegraphed attacks they do which can oneshot me with 5.5k health and 1.5k es from full... The problem is more that its usually ofscreen telegraphed
elfin iron
they need to tone down the damage
especially since they buffed overall map difficulty
true bridge
Is there a list for the drop locations of the new Div cards?
peak hornet
or tone down the hp
gritty ember
i could just log out but thats boring so i dont
peak hornet
those league mech boss hps are insane
gritty ember
otoh its like 0.5s to die from some dots
oh i just realized, any monster whos dot scales from their hp got way more dangerous
peak hornet
poison removal is a must i think
gritty ember
yeah the ailments seem really scary this league
gritty ember
im not sure what types of damage the new enemies do
elfin iron
can someone help me fix my build in build-fixing?
proven wadi
Does cast on crit work with shockewave support
proven wadi
Hm it might be a good idea for my trypanon setup
gritty ember
@elfin iron its a long way off but if you ping me tonight eg like in 6-7 hours i can help if no one else has by that time
elfin iron
sure
I also posted it in build-fixing now
but I guess you can't access it right now?
gritty ember
im in a meeting type thing today so i cant open that stuff right now but ill look later
elfin iron
ok
clever pivot
I'm a little confused by the legion map mechanic, what should I be doing there? using 4 different fragments?
patent canyon
in a 4 way one you need to kill all at least 1 for map device slot
generally you want to keep respawning one general over and over again
clever pivot
Is there any where there's a more detailed write up of what you should be doing? as last time I killed stuff but wasn't quite sure what I was doing 😛
wild arch
Kill bosses, run back to the centre to respawn them, rinse and repeat until time runs out
flat pumice
Are incubator item levels based on the mobs you kill or where it dropped
bronze cave
How are we ever supposed to trade timeless jewels?
The number seeds are not backtraceable to what noteables they influence in what way
wild arch
@flat pumice Where it dropped
runic trellis
does quant affect legion
lament dagger
top player on POE Ninja is an Assassin using Winter Orb lol
old egret
i came here to ask basically the same question @flat pumice asked an hour ago heh
if i put an incubator on my lower lvl characters gear, will that effect what drops?
if it dropped from a map on my higher lvl char
oh didnt see franken's response at first, oops
mighty patio
Something on reddit indicated you can re-tag monoliths to spawn another army on top of the first
I haven't gotten this to work
Is it total bullshit or is it a legit mechanic. If the latter, how do I trigger it?
wild arch
In the actual emblem fight running back to the middle respawns all mobs including the bosses
undone anchor
Doesn't always respawn the bosses tho
wild arch
It should
undone anchor
I've had multiple times where I'll tag the center and it won't spawn bosses
Usually I have to kill some trash then tag it again
I find that the higher # of legion sides
like 4 emblems
have this occur less
or at least spawn some of the bosses
but if I do like 2 emblems
then its really bad
old egret
thought everything has to be dead before you can respawn more?
undone anchor
not true
but I think the more that is dead
the higher the chances you respawn a boss
royal sedge
since 'nearby' is defined differently for different items/abilities, what's 'nearby' for flesh and stone?
silver kettle
It shows you when you turn it on, has a circle around you. For my character with some AoE investment I would guess about 25
royal sedge
cool, thanks
quartz dome
Maximum Energy Shield is 0
While not on Full Life, Sacrifice 20% of Mana per Second to Recover that much Life```
Just wanted to confirm if anyone knows: Is it based off 'maximum mana' or 'mana not reserved'
tough roost
Max mana
waxen spire
How does one unlock the 5 slot map device?
I have just got my 2nd Emblem so maybe I have to put them in first?
copper kernel
you run 4 emblems
waxen spire
oh so I should keep em til I get another 2?
Eternal would be the next then probably templar
Barely got any Maraketh xD
violet nymph
Did someone already check if the new keystones stack? I mean if you have multiple ones of the same kind.
tidal frost
Jewels are unique. Csn that even come up
violet nymph
But you can put them in a area that turns multiple keystones in the same one.
Would someone be able to check it?
lyric lintel
gritty ember
keystones are named 'buffs' so they wont stack
eg there are multiple ways to get 'point blank'
but they dont stack if they have that name
i put buffs in quotes because the game uses that term in a specific way, which keystones do not qualify for but idk what else to call it
unborn oxide
what is an incubator key
runic trellis
does quant affect legion nodes?\
sullen scroll
So the Legion Armies are either NW vs SE & NE vs SW
fickle current
Really?
sullen scroll
basically diagonal isometric formations i'm guessing
and the one which drops lots of splinters are at the edge corners
lament dagger
Yea they are always at the corners away from the monolith
So when you find a cluster of good shit and unfreeze it, go the exact direction all the way
marsh wagon
Clever trick
gilded spire
Cleared area touched monolith. Hit four guys insta died to inanimate Mobs?
midnight phoenix
There are some nemesis mobs that still hit u when frozen
The two i noticed are lightning mirage and thorns
gilded spire
Yea was weird only happened once
marsh wagon
Sounds truly buggy
undone anchor
Does the templar boss have an invuln?
halcyon marsh
hello, what's the easiest way for a 2h RT slayer (generic tree) to get the 150 legion monsters slayed challenge? I'm having a really hard time with cyclone, I can get 100+
marsh wagon
More movespd?
violet nymph
@undone anchor from what i saw, was just DR not invuln
halcyon marsh
more mvspeed? mhh I guess i'll try with vaal haste thanks
I can also try rage/berserk since it gives aoe and more move speed
lets see how it goes..
halcyon marsh
@marsh wagon it worked thanks 😄
sullen scroll
vaal cyclone for the 150 one?
marsh wagon
Often clear is movespd limited
sullen scroll
just finished the 100 today by a fluke due to picking up a massive shrine and spacious map then using berserk
halcyon marsh
can you knock back legion monsters that are "frozen" in time?
for the vaal cyclone I mean
but vaal haste + berserk did the trick
i was going 3x faster and bigger aoe
marsh wagon
One day maybe with a high lv vortex with no cd it'll get easier
low kindle
Got it accidentally in Harbour Bridge while levelling ED
halcyon marsh
i heard ed contagion and vaal ice nova have an easy time with legions
ggg told me it was melee patch 
violet nymph
Id love to see ed/c do bosses with above shaper hp @halcyon marsh faster than 10 seconds
spark lake
Yeah Ed doesn't do very high ST
bronze cave
So when is a big brain going to figure out a way to make timeless jewels that are not Karui useful?
foggy bone
The 20% of life gained as max energy shield is super interesting.
Casually gaining 1/5 more effective hp.
It also allows you to use ES leech in your links which is a nice bonus.
spark lake
chitus keystone is good for blood magic. 50% more effect of auras from your skills on you
50% more mana reserved
the b lind maraketh keystone is very powerful with crafted hits cant be evaded
low kindle
Problem is chitus keystone is hot garbage if you don't have blood magic
spark lake
so whats the problem there
proven wadi
I think it's nice to be getting more stuff that is more interesting than it is op
patent canyon
but then why even play leagues, just read patch notes and poedb and admire interesting stuff since you wont play with it either way
elder night
how do I turn 100 legion splinters into the stone?
patent canyon
split stack and put it back in
elder night
ty
proven wadi
are you implying I don't play things that are interesting and not strong
That's quite the assumption
patent canyon
no not at all
i am just saying if majority of league content drops are unused or only used as a meme build fuel maybe that is not healthy for league content
there really are new fun builds available because of those keystones but there is also some that wont see any use at all
violet nymph
do i need to put the emblems in together with a map?? or is putting 4 emblems fine?
dusty umbra
@low kindle 20% of life as ES is pretty nice for hybrid builds
rest are kind of eh for most part
hard to integrate in non-specific scenarios
undone anchor
Anyone got thoughts on how many emblems for efficiency
5 was too difficult when I tried
2 makes me kill adds to spawn the bosses again
So I'm guessing either 3 or 4
@violet nymph just emblems
spice comet
@undone anchor so far we've tested 4 and 2. 4 was a little much but doable 3 seems to be the sweetspot
Also really depends on your build
violet nymph
@undone anchor thx
brittle bobcat
@undone anchor Isn't the triggering factor for respawns just getting back to the middle?
wet plaza
yes
waxen spire
Do the monoliths not spawn in Unique maps?
mortal portal
it doesnt spawn in temples, delves, syndicate hideouts, labyrinths, etc etc
undone anchor
Or hitting the middle will just spawn white/blue/yellow mobs not the boss
signal maple
does cast when damage taken supported gems required mana?
gritty ember
nope
quartz dome
Keystones only fit specific scenarios? Gosh
vague dune
do the time-trapped generals have unique or rare colored names? i keep trying to find one but havent yet
wintry tide
dawn oriole
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kindred dagger
Is there allready some good legion guide, for any specifig trick or so ? Or its just go in boom everything enjoy loot ?
gilded spire
So what is up with legion yellow 1 shotting people I have all my resists and life....Dumb Mechanic I cant even get near it it one shots with a bow?
Did they actually QA any of this league bug after bug issue after issue. I love the League itself but implementation has been horrible.
kindred dagger
They messed up quite some this league, feels they tryied to do too much at the same time
copper kernel
its about average tbh
gilded spire
I guess Ive gotten more going cyclone. I was stuck couldn't progress shaper for days. Cyclone change is fun but it randomly stops gets stuck randomly on nothing, So im Biased 😃
Seerms they are racing to fast on Season and its getting worse on bugs maybe they need to take a step back and breathe
kindred dagger
I think so too, the next big update is suposed to be for 4.0 which should basicaly be POE 2 if you listen them, so i guess they can just take 2 league to chill out, clearing everything thats need to be done for fixing the game and adjusting some skills and things
copper kernel
4.0 is more than 4 leagues away tho
gilded spire
I wish seasons were a little longer anyways But thats me
kindred dagger
we are in 3.7 so 3.8 then 3.9 so 3 league and then 4.0 so after this on there is 2 league left before the allegly biggest update of POE history
lament dagger
Damn no word on fixing on kill effects against Legion mobs
Also it's 4.0.0 and its after 3.12
According to Chris
silver kettle
@kindred dagger nope, Chris said there will be at least 3.10 and 3.11, maybe 3.12 before 4.0
yeah that
lament dagger
So still a ways off
kindred dagger
luuuuuuuuul
my bad so didnt knew that, so there is even more time i guess that would bea good so if they take somee time to really fix the game and work on stability
lament dagger
This is something that will keep happening tho
The scope of their leagues grows bigger each league but the time they put in remains same
3.7 is a "small" league by their standards but it's actually pretty big
Huge melee rework and balance changes
Entire bottom side of tree remade
Lots of new supports, new skills
Enemy changes and patterns
kindred dagger
You cant say 3.7 is a small league, they made much change is this one than in many previous for a long time
lament dagger
List goes on
kindred dagger
all those skill revamp, mecanics of monster that havent been touch by years
lament dagger
It's small scale for them now
Synthesis was huge too
Insane new crafting systen
Memory nexus system
And then spell casters rework
kindred dagger
So you are basically saying that they are incompetant so
kindred dagger
they are doing too much work for what they can handle so
lament dagger
I am saying they are buying off more than they can chew
silver kettle
they have said they'll need to make the other 3.X patches smaller to work on 4.0
lament dagger
They also have console versions to worry about which have their own issues to iron out
silver kettle
but yeah, can't really argue that they're always trying to do a bit too much
kindred dagger
Thats not normal that they work, release a league and then spend the current league spliting time between fixing and working on the next
lament dagger
Feels like with every league they fix one problem and 2 more prop up
The polish on the game gets to be less and less as the game becomes more and more ambitious
Most of synthesis Bestiary syndicate was spent fixing the league for at least a month into it
By comparison Legion is far smoother
kindred dagger
So like i said they need to take time to do it clean to prepare 4.0, and as viper said seems that they talk about it
lament dagger
There aren't huge issues with Legion mechanic
Curious to see what they have for 3.8 tho
They been talking about this melee revamp for quite some time
kindred dagger
just DC everytime you are using legion monolith or using a spell, no not a big deal 
silver kettle
3.8 going to have some pretty big master system changes by the sounds of it
they also mentioned raider changes and I think ascendant changes
lament dagger
The team is aware of this and investigating further but it's an incredibly complicated issue. I don't have anything to announce at this point.
For on kill effects
At least they knkw
Same response for Multistrike and Flicker Strike
kindred dagger
We'll see end of the week, they announce a big fixing patch + some monster nerf damage
lament dagger
Wait they gonna change masters again??
Yea and those changes weren't on there
Hence why Bex had to address them separately when asked about it
silver kettle
big issue that came up in 3.6 is that there's too much side content, none of it feels optional, and there's no way to choose when you do it
so they're going to work on that for 3.8
lament dagger
The Multistrike thing is pretty big because its a pretty important support gem
Oh yea rhey said that
They will make it so that you have more control over content you wamt to farm
And rebalancing of Delve and Syndicate
kindred dagger
I will try delving some this league
There is a combo with legion and delve, with the incubated systeme as delve is surely the best way to clear shit tones of pack monster so too charge incubated item
lament dagger
Syndicate feels much better this league than last league for me
Becaise they don't cause huge lag spikes for me
And the Legion moves drop veiled items too
Makes it easier to get crafted mods
kindred dagger
Yeah i like the fact that you can encounter multiple syndicate in the same map, its better and gives more actions
lament dagger
That was available last league too
But issue is that
When Intervention spawned your game would lag and freeze
And you would fie
Doesnt happen as much anymore
kindred dagger
No you couldnt last league
Syndicate league was only one encounter per map, but in everymap
Now you can have up to 3 in one map
lament dagger
I am talking about synthesis league
kindred dagger
oh yeah i forgot about this league, thats roleplay i guess 😏 😂
spice cipher
I only had one time where I had the bad syndicate lag.
turbid quartz
Which is best? impale duelist cyclone or zerker cyclone?
lament dagger
Zerker prob has fastest speed and highest damage
But lowest defense
And Zerker can get 100% impale chance as well so thats not really an exclusive mechanic to Duelist
violet nymph
^
true mountain
each asc for cyclone have pro and con
in the end it mainly relative to what you plan to do the most
violet nymph
Yup
Personally in trying to sort out a 100% crit 100% ele conversion cyclone.
Tbh i find that harder to understand how that works than a pure physical one tbh
Especially with the tree changes
silver kettle
why ele conversion over voidforge?
violet nymph
Because i want to?
silver kettle
can't argue with that lol
violet nymph
The fun of this game is making shit work
wet plaza
Hrimsorrow or temple gloves plus nodes at ranger will cover the conversion
violet nymph
Man i feel stupid. Forgot hrimsorrow exists
wet plaza
violet nymph
This solves a lot of my problems with that build. Thanks
limpid bloom
for the legion emblems cna we put one in the map device, or it has to be two?
silver kettle
has to be at least 2
elfin iron
as a melee character (dual strike) I hate this league
violet nymph
@elfin iron try out the domains. Will definitely be more enjoyable for you compared to the monoliths
elfin iron
domains?
violet nymph
Yup
elfin iron
what's that
violet nymph
@elfin iron this is a 4 army fight
https://youtu.be/jxFEBVQQsbY
elfin iron
it's timed?
my build will suck
I can't clear fast enough
heck I just died to legion stuff right now while doing a T7 map
then mods weren't that bad too
idk why I died
I can clear to T11 deathless
violet nymph
@elfin iron its about boss dps not so much clear
For the 5 army, you need 2mil dps at minimum. Which for melee skills like double strike/vds just shred
violet nymph
elfin iron
yeah
violet nymph
Im not able to help on that front as im not on my pc
elfin iron
ok
violet nymph
Actually, let me give you this link.
https://youtu.be/EIOQLR16bp0
Gives you an idea of what kind of dps you need for this league
smoky fiber
man.. the fact that they didn't actually add animation cancelling is starting to really burn me out
violet nymph
They did tho @smoky fiber
smoky fiber
no they didn't lul, all they did was kind of add ability queuing
violet nymph
You can cancel out of shit. Go test it with low attack speed on something like vaal earthquake
If you move early you'll cancel and do no damage
violet nymph
You may not. But it is there.
violet nymph
Doesnt matter what you think
smoky fiber
I guess there's animation cancelling with actual movement, but there is none with other abilities
true mountain
they said they add ability to cancel animation to avoid stuff more easily
make sense that you could do it only with mouvement skill
smoky fiber
you can't do it with movement skills
only actual movement, which is pretty useless for melee..
wild arch
You can definitely cancel attacks with dash
radiant thicket
Actually you can use movement to cancel before the 3rd hit of multistrike comes out
thought it's useful until I read the text of multistrike carefully
celest atlas
can i increase the time during the breaches somehow or is it static ? lke e.g. in temple
celest atlas
yepp i mean raise e.g. as in temple
low kindle
It lasts longer if you kill stuff
celest atlas
so the only way is more damage and faster speed
violet nymph
Yup
celest atlas
to find the chests and the generals and free them in time
clever pivot
When people are saying 2mil dps for 5 boss map, are they referring to 2mil shaper dps in pob?
silver kettle
yes
violet nymph
You want at least 2mil consistent dps. Not burst
clever pivot
I can't even get close then, stuck at around 600k
violet nymph
The bosses have more hp than uber elder
clever pivot
Yeah, I did a 4 boss map and could kill about 7-8 bosses before the timer ran out
true mountain
they've gone crazy on this league boss T_T
maybe magma orb build with area overlapping can do it on a non so expensive gear ?
withthe gloomfang trick
clever pivot
Im still running ED as a currency farmer so still want to pick a melee build this league, sunk alot of currency into it so far though,
static token
Same, I ran ED starter. But the single target feels real bad. Looking at maybe Blade flurry for a second character. I rarely play melee so not sure what's cheap for high single target.
steep plover
@static token hae you tried blight totems
static token
I haven't, but probably should. I can't stand selfcast Blight.
lucid haven
Can you respawn bosses in the domain if you havent killed all rge spawned ones?
patent canyon
did you hit 100% intel from first enc?
celest atlas
anyone got a page handy which explains all the differentz icons from the legion stuff ? over the chests and so on ?
wild arch
Most of them should be self explanatory
The most confusing ones might be the golden emblem that drops guaranteed uniques and the monolith that drops incubators
static token
uniques looks like a pineapple.
celest atlas
i would just love to have a site with the symbols until i learned them all .. like a little cheatsheet
static token
Haven't seen anyone bother as they really are self explanatory for the most part. Usually if anyone had made one it would have been going around on Reddit, and I haven't seen one.
celest atlas
yeppp already googled check reddit nothing so far .. 😃 ok than
undone anchor
Isn't it more fun to figure out what the icons mean on ur own anyway 
static token
Generally, no. Not at all.
dusty umbra
Any of you here using lethal pride timeless?
patent hound
quick question about legion mobs: do they drop area specific items such as div cards? (farming humility in BA)
violet nymph
Whats build will be best for Legion ?
This mobs is incredible hard to kill for me 😦
that would be enough ?
spark lake
@dusty umbra yea
dusty umbra
@spark lake can you post few ss if you using in middle bottom part of duelyst?
You can pm if u want to
spark lake
thats the range
atm I have
5 notables in range
20% melee dmg, 20 str, 20% phys dmg, 20% warcry buff effect, 20% totem damage
travel nodes get +2 str
minor nodes get 4str
you can check which options are possible for notables there
dusty umbra
i got one as well, but got some +4% life mods on mine
20% melee dmg, 20 str, 20% phys dmg, got these on mine as well,
tidal mantle
i have 4% chance to x2 dmg and 1% regen
but woul prefer life
need to buy more jewels i guess
static token
Bot spam, that's how I look for graphics designers.
cinder pond
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/c06izo/not_sure_if_anyone_know_this_combo_corrupted_soul/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
my reddit post about the pseudo-124% EHP combo. anyone have interests in it?
proven wadi
Looks interesting
bronze cave
@cinder pond that is awesome
i'm a standard cyclone slayer, and for a 4 points investment i get 1700 energy shield
proven wadi
I need to remember how to scale COC with trypanon
It can't be pure crit scaling because the spells won't crit much
normal heath
https://i.imgur.com/xm9QBuR.jpg ~15 generals killed and that's it? :/
bronze cave
yep, looked the same for me
normal heath
Saw someone got 2 exalts on reddit .-.
bronze cave
Theres no real reason to do these fights
economy wise
people hype that fight up because some people put their lottery wins on reddit
proven wadi
Hmmmmm warlords change means COC has like no leech
violet nymph
5 army drops ilvl 84 bases
normal heath
got 20c jewel 
violet nymph
For elder/shaper bases
violet nymph
Templar is like 30 c
bronze cave
its more than that
depending on the quantity you want to buy
you will have to buy the majority for 1:1.5 c:splinter
violet nymph
If you buy the emblem straight
bronze cave
aah you're right
violet nymph
Thats the thing with the emblems. Cheaper to buy straight for all of them
bronze cave
usually those convenient deals are more expensive, so i didnt even check
i'm gonna buy another set and see how the loot goes
violet nymph
@bronze cave gl. What's your dps like?
violet nymph
You got all the impale stuff?
bronze cave
like 2mil shaper dps i guess
violet nymph
Also, something id recommend going for if you can affors. +2 impale hit
Watcher's eye
bronze cave
yeah, thats like 40% more right?
violet nymph
Id say it's worth then
bronze cave
yeah
still amazed by that vaal jewel soul tether combo from earlier
1700 "hp" for 4 points in tree
violet nymph
Yeah not bad.
See, i was thinking of using the maraketh jewel that gives 25% more crit but blinded, cuz flesh and stone + effigon lets me bypass it
violet nymph
So dual wielding like i wanted to, had to effigon
violet nymph
I personally value EHP over dmg. Cuz im a total clutz
bronze cave
too bad i cant use multiple timeless jewels
my damage is already high enough to clear super fast
so i will keep the EHP thingy
bronze cave
because of the conc ground?
violet nymph
Well that and the specific build i was using was regen/leech heavy and conc ground helped that
I could clear red maps with potato gear, and a 4 link with the skill and be safe
It's sad to see it be ignored when its so good
white sierra
hey how do you know what the general looks like in the monolith?
does he have a mark on his head
like other people do?
white sierra
i was hoping you wouldnt say that 😂
bronze cave
Why is nobody selling an eternal empire emblem?
all the others there are many, many people selling them
and 0 for empire
quiet geyser
there are plenti
bronze cave
i see none
quiet geyser
f5
violet nymph
Empire is actually 0
bronze cave
splinters yes, emblems none
violet nymph
Just checked myself
quiet geyser
poe trade or the offical side?
bronze cave
ill try the official one, poe trade was what i used
quiet geyser
poe trade is pretty bad ^^
violet nymph
Poe trade has all the others
quiet geyser
and laggs like 10 min behind
bronze cave
I like the simple layout of poe trade
violet nymph
^
quiet geyser
Yea , but poe trade laggs a lot of usfull funktions and lags behind ^^
So most items are allready sold when you want to buy them
bronze cave
for live trading and bulk buying i use official
but for jsut quickly checking something i use poe trade
quiet geyser
I realise then when i sell maps
I put up items for trade
then they are sold
And 5 min later another wave askeds for allready sold items
peak hornet
can someone explain how the 5 way encounter works?
i go in kill as many as i can then i go in the middle for them to reset and repeat?
quiet geyser
yes
quiet geyser
no clue , but probebly they drop the jewels
IF you reset they dont regen hp ^^
Thatswhat i did allways running in circles hit them a bit, clear all mobs reset
And then bosses slowly dies passivly
peak hornet
k tyvm
violet nymph
@peak hornet
So, all bosses have loot drops like normal monolith guys with symbols above
Kill the rares with like that as well. Kill as many as possible. Unless you have 3-4mil dps i would suggest lower number of armies
peak hornet
ok
violet nymph
Id say for your first go, do a 2 way fo fight.
They are stronger than t8 bosses hp wise. So unless you can clear t8 bosses super quick. You prob wont profit much
quiet geyser
youw ont profit anyways xD
quiet geyser
hm
violet nymph
You do realize you can buy 2 emblems for like 14c
A divine which is possible to drop can pay for it
quiet geyser
4c + 3 Incutbators < 14c
bronze cave
did another 5 way fight
noteable drops: beachhead t15
thats about it
oh and 2 timeless jewels
violet nymph
So long as you dont get absolute shit incubators, they should be able to get you going
olive shadow
Do you guys think rage stacks with berserker rage node ?
bronze cave
1 elder gemini claw
austere anvil
where do you get the new legion jewels? from the timelss domain or do they drop from monolith encounters as well?
bronze cave
only timeless
violet nymph
And actually, funny thing, the two cheapest ones are now down to 6c each
bronze cave
idk
violet nymph
Yes
austere anvil
cool thanks!
violet nymph
They are equal to t8 boss hp @austere anvil
violet nymph
Eternal and Karui are the easiest/cheapest
olive shadow
@violet nymph thx so you get phys dmg boost does the max cap go up?
bronze cave
@violet nymph Did a 2 two fight, there was only 1 incubator dropped and nothing else really. I dont think you can make a profit there?
violet nymph
@olive shadow no max cap increased. Just rage generation speed
@bronze cave yeah. I didnt think it would be profitable there. The 5 army only is able to be profitable cuz of elder/shaper bases
bronze cave
Ive done that fight 3 times and never got more than 1 elder/shaper base
violet nymph
Its a matter of they have a high sell price if you get a good one.
bronze cave
yeah, butchances are slim right?
violet nymph
Which can keep it funded for a while
Well most elder chests will sell for 4ex or so
violet nymph
Yeah.
bronze cave
i guess the worthless bases outnumber the good ones by far more than 5:1
violet nymph
Current market for bases
bronze cave
many of these are just ilvl duplicates though
btw poe trade doesnt have the empire emblem because its called "timeless eternal emblem" and not "timeless eternal empire emblem" i assume
violet nymph
@bronze cave question, have any of the bases you dropped, been higher than ilvl 84?
violet nymph
Kk, didnt know if the forced loot drops also obeyed that
bronze cave
if only these jewels were actual chase items and not RNG fiesta untradeable
bronze cave
yeah thats 15ish outof how many?
bronze cave
I dont understand
violet nymph
Tbh i dont either
bronze cave
i lvl 80+ elder exquisite blade is definitly 6ex+