the 20% chance to get endurance chance when hit and 20% chance to get endurance chance when hit while channeling is amazing combo too
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gaunt charm
violet nymph
Can it keep Up with crit Slayer tho
summer magnet
not really that great tho
gaunt charm
if you already have enough DPS gladiator is better, because of the movement speed MORE bonus.
If you do not have enough, then slayer is better
summer magnet
means you have to get hit 😛
summer magnet
you mean in the patch notes?
summer magnet
mayb 😛
dusty salmon
I wonder how "small" it will be
north dragon
thas what she said
dusty salmon
Cause as a melee player i will be able to reserve quite a lot of mana, but if small = 30% or so, then RIP
gaunt charm
Pride and Precision will be i think
gaunt charm
50
violet nymph
Pride and Precision are 50%
Just like normal auras
Blood and sand = 10%
And flesh and stone = 25%
So ad melee you can take, 1 aura, 1 banner, and both new blood/sand skills and still have 5% left over to cast with
dusty salmon
Where it is said?
gaunt charm
hmm. so i could go Pride, Blood and sand, Flesh and Stone, and Dread Banner, and have 5%...
ninja'd
violet nymph
@dusty salmon blood and sand stuff was in its announcement post ages ago. Normal auras all start at 50%
dusty salmon
Not really
violet nymph
Name a normal aura that doesnt
dusty salmon
Resistance auras are 35%
violet nymph
Okay.
languid path
precision is not 50%
violet nymph
Odds are still 50% auras
dusty salmon
Neat
violet nymph
@languid path
Added a new Dexterity Skill Gem - Precision: Casts an aura that reserves a portion of your mana, and grants you and nearby allies accuracy and increased critical strike chance.
languid path
yeah?
languid path
there's no way to guess what
solid nova
We have the patch notes and Passive JSON つ ◕◕ ༽つ OPENARL TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ
violet nymph
When will we know The Numbers for pride?
summer magnet
yeah im hoping for pob to have the updated tree like.. in 4-5 hours max
number for all new gems is in like 12 hours
violet nymph
Also multistrike is Like so much better now
Gives 50% more damage and a lot of Attack Speed
north dragon
imdum
restive lynx
Well it gives more damage for the loss of the atk spd it use to give
graceful zinc
Posted my thoughts on the legion update on another server...figured I’d share them here...
So lately I’ve been playing a game called path of exile... the developers have a habit of changing things up every 3 months... I haven’t even been playing that long and they have released a patch nerfing the living piss out of my character.... shit like this is why I still play d1 20 years later... this obsessive patching and nerfing anything decent (which is all my character is/was) in modern games is something I am simply not onboard with.... given... any time playing a video game is “wasted” but with this shit thier doing it’s even worse... even in the virtual world of the game my effort isnt worth jack shit
violet nymph
Now has an attack speed multiplier of 75% does this mean my total attack speed will get times 0.75
summer magnet
gaintrain patching and balancing is part of all modern games.
what build were you playing and why is it unplayable?
also.. if you are a standard pleb.. plz no be here 😄
sage arch
occ worb probs ^^
violet nymph
@graceful zinc you also may not realize this. But it's not about your thing being strong. Its called they cycle the meta to keep the game fresh. They kill one to raise another. Eventually your thing comes back to be strong again.
marsh wagon
i believe team witch will still be competitive
sage arch
dual strike was my dream build and now it's in stronger place, you just need to learn not to rely on one meta build. meta shifting is a thing in this game.
pine forge
@violet nymph The point is not why they do it. It's just that some ppl lose their fun if they get nerfed. its a gutt feeling
violet nymph
I mean. This game is literally reset every 3 months get over it.
marsh wagon
they needed to ensure they give something awesome when they nerf
because they did not they have this problem
summer magnet
i think gaintrain is playing standard
and i can see it being annoying playing standard since you might spend half a year building a char
violet nymph
Even if he is. Doesnt matter you should know it ccoming in that this is how they work
graceful zinc
@violet nymph right but I played standard for the sole purpose of avoiding this. It’s fine, I’m clearly not in the ggg intended market and they will not be getting any more of my money
summer magnet
i agree. im just stating the obvious
dusty salmon
I can see how GainTrain feels it, and i understand him.
Balance in a game should be slowly touching stuff up and down, trying to achieve a somewhat common ground
Obviously some stuff will be stronger than others, but can't make it perfect
dusty salmon
But GGG simply does not know balancing. either stuff is stupidly overpowered, or it gets nerfed into trash
violet nymph
@dusty salmon see thats the thing. You mistake their goal being perfect balance
marsh wagon
thx DLing now, will continue to drag team witch into poeninja ladder
dusty salmon
I know it is not , @violet nymph
But i can say wild changes to meta just for the sake of making something more used are bad
BEcause then players like @graceful zinc get upset (reasonably)
pine forge
like you identify with the build you are playing and when they nerf the shit out of it some people feel personal attacked. It has nothing to do with meta change or if the skill is still fine its a pure emotional response
upbeat mist
Anyone have the link to the new passive tree, with all the changes in green/yellow/red?
marsh wagon
they were honestly sloppy, they cut abilities from occy and ele and did not actually replace occy's at all.
violet nymph
Honestly needed to be nerfed tho
In order for shit to exist outside of the top half of the tree
marsh wagon
i don't really trust someone who -50% on worb really, but these are the rules, team witch will still prevail
violet nymph
Without MASSIVE buffs
dusty salmon
I remember back a couple years ago, when i played a game called League of Legends, there was this one char, lee sin, who was simply obnoxiously overpowered. They weren't nerfing it because he was flashy when played in tournaments. So they decided to buff it more and more, in order to make it show off.
Many times the changes aren't to achieve balance, but actually to break it to make something more played. But this pisses off many people, as it's simply a "either play this style, or just quit the game as you won't do shit anymore". That's what's going to happen with Occultist.
violet nymph
I mean. If ya dont like it. Dont play. It really is that simple.
Its how they work.
People know it
dusty salmon
And this is the reason many people complain. Because i am somewhat new to the game (despite playing it when it came out and then returning before Delve)., but older players can happily tell you that back then, one of the strengths of the game was the extensive tree, which allowed multiple classes as in a play-it-as-you-want.
Now it's play-it-as-we-tell-you or you won't get to maps.
And @violet nymph , good job, you just pulled the "if you don't like dont play" card. Muted.
graceful zinc
Well I likely won’t be playing much longer... just sharing my thoughts before I go
dusty salmon
For those of you with proper reasoning and valid points, i'd like to hear your opinions on these wild, somewhat random buff/nerfs
violet nymph
Dont like a game dont play, dont give them your moeny.
sage arch
If you played your thing for fun, you can still play it since it haven't got deleted from game. But I think these people played these builds because it was OP, so they have major assburn atm.
dusty salmon
@graceful zinc PoE has had a negative review from me since Synthesis, due to how they handled the whole issue, as well as reworked half the stuff mid-league
Drop a negative review on steam. If they get overwhelmed, they'll have to change stuff
On the other hand, i'll give it a chance. To be honest, i haven't been too affected by the changes (one of my 4 characters has been destroyed, the others are still fine)
marsh wagon
criticism is a valid response when you don't like it
dusty salmon
Exactly.
graceful zinc
My build wasn’t op at all. They literally are removing a key “ability” from the elementalist ascendancy ... now I’m stuck with a level 90 character and 10 exalts worth of gear which may all more or less be worthless
dusty salmon
I know
marsh wagon
how else do u persuade them to change if u don't criticise harshly
dusty salmon
my whole build was destroyed, and now my lvl 89 elementalist cannot complete a single map wihtout crashing the instance
Because they're removing the main source of damage (molten shell)
marsh wagon
it was harsh critique that made synth slightly less worthless
dusty salmon
Synthesis died for me the moment they decided to remove the 25+ mods i had set up out of the blue
as well as nerf half of my stuff. Mid-league patches are no good, only should be issued in case something goes really wrong, such as an spell doing 10x as much dmg as intended, or stuff preventing progress
marsh wagon
synth cunningly split the playerbase with flashback to minimise complaints
proven wadi
Removed "hybrid" weapon passives and notables such as Deadly Dilettante, which grant bonuses to multiple individual weapon types.
Varunastra ded
Also like, didn't they remove prolif from elementalist because it was putting too much server strain?
marsh wagon
i don't it honestly, it wasn't like this wasn't available in betrayal
proven wadi
Yes
north dragon
which means pob haven't changed it yet?
marsh wagon
as i see it (without proof)
2) You don't need to balance if u drastic nerf. More time for resources to be spent elsewhere
3) They didn't spend any resources on the caster changes, ele/occy changes were dumped in at the end and look incomplete```^ the outright removal of all occ flat ess tends to make me agree with ou
proven wadi
I agree that the occultist Nerf seems super harsh
solid nova
given that that was unique to occultist, and was part of their identity as the "es jugg"
proven wadi
It's like OCC isn't even a tank any more
marsh wagon
none of the caster nerfs from worb to the witch ascendancies, look like they were done with reasoned analysis. It was a "we has no time. We want melee patch cool."
They wrote up a storm for the melee changes, they had no real comments on the caster changes
marsh wagon
good ❤
dusty salmon
I thjink i saw it before but completely forgot
marsh wagon
i'm still gonna take the occulist to faceroll t16 and all bosses
fading fulcrum
Do Gladiator bleedsplosions work with the monolith mobs?
marsh wagon
forbidden power (+power charge), profane bloom (25% corpse explosion, hex penetration) or withering presence (-dot dmg). Which would u think is better for cold vortex occulist
solid nova
probably Profane Bloom
marsh wagon
that crappy corpse explosion is 25% only tho
solid nova
power charge would give you a dubious boost at best, and degen reduction isn't nearly as strong as it would seem
fading fulcrum
profane honestly seems the best one of the three
marsh wagon
power charge would be on 100% right? since u spend mana easily and extend its duration
fading fulcrum
also, withering does absolutely nothing for vortex
marsh wagon
withering is more for reducing enemy dots (i guess the dot areas on the ground maybe)
or we can skip an ability and simply add abother small ascendancy es node
6% es
fading fulcrum
you arent hindering anything with vortex; you are chilling enemies
i honestly think you might even want to throw away Vile Bastion and pick up Malediction
marsh wagon
so withering is out, down to power charge and ... hmmm malediction drop
fading fulcrum
does anyone know? Do Gladiator bleedsplosions work with the monolith mobs?
marsh wagon
that stun immune is important right....
fading fulcrum
just take crab major pantheon
marsh wagon
i am toying with the idea of running elementalist vortex
since elementalist gets uninterruptable es regn
and occy has no longer any significant es bonuses
https://gyazo.com/7f2d5718a9c81913c6ce9623de834a41
get ailment immunes, element reflect immune, bonus dmg from golems, cycle 75%
fading fulcrum
paragon actually gives you nothing of value.
fading fulcrum
but you are looking to deal damage over time, rather than on hit, i assume, correct?
leech is useless if so
marsh wagon
honestly my experience with vortex last league was trash actually die on hit
only bosses live long enough to wobble in my dot
fading fulcrum
the trash didnt die to the "on hit", they died to the super strong dot lol
marsh wagon
really on the first sec?
hmmm...
guess i could go maladiction
https://gyazo.com/c4659584f747eff3df9794bed631cd59
they'd take my big cold dmg dot for conversion or...
dry terrace
would facebreaker still work with new shield charge mechanics?
tacit swift
i don't see why it wouldn't
tacit swift
well i guess damaged based on shield is like sst
but even if you can't do damage with it you can still use it as movement and use tec slam or something for the hits
arctic dragon
is new multistrike gunna be worth using?
marsh wagon
sounds good really, maladiction also increase dmg and reduces dmg taken
north dragon
ggg can u give me 50 more points, too many nodes on the tree i wanna take
pine forge
the totem activation range chieftain gets feels off somehow. like the totem is bugged in the first place because it technically could attack all the monster it just wont
violet nymph
yall playing sunder with crit or RT now?
solid nova
Rt is near dead node at this point in time
summer magnet
soo
rage seem rather insane now
Without rage:
https://gyazo.com/d53e9ceb3dcc2382b56f38c43863a255
With rage:
https://gyazo.com/8f54cde476be668037384faccaac3576
violet nymph
@summer magnet skill?
summer magnet
well this example is with endgame gear obviously
but 158% ms just with quicksilver flask
220% with phase run :3
and vaal haste
violet nymph
Anyone know if minions can generate rage?
summer magnet
they can only generate rage is the rage support can support minion gems
which i think they can't but we won't know for sure before later
violet nymph
Damn,I hope it can be used with minions.
terse turtle
Will Frenzy have
5% more attack damage or 5% more physical damage
after the change?
Seeing that the old Frenzy only increaesd physical damage and not attack damage.
violet nymph
Well they did write attack damage
safe fern
Does anyone know exactly what this patch note means? What is "shotgunning"?
Multiple Storm Brands can no longer 'shotgun' enemies with their overlapping areas of effect.
I think it means each mob can only be affected by the AoE pulse of at most one brand? But what about if the mob also has two brands attached? Does it take 3 brands worth of damage every pulse? That's a nerf from the maximum 5, but it's not awful.
wicked oriole
is the ED contagion league start hype train really that insane?
patent canyon
ED has always been ok starter
solid nova
Shotgun is when one attack with multiple aoes hits enemies with overlap
So for example if you place it right glacial cascade shotguns
odd steeple
I think maybe the ticking is always allowed to hit anything in range
Because it's kind of out of sync anyways so no idea how that would be prevented
On the other hand when you hit Brand Recall right now you get a big instant burst of 5x brands hitting on top of you, and I'd assume that is what is no longer possible
Just speculation, dunno how the nerf actually works
solid nova
Yeah, they fixed having multiple brands sitting on an enemy
safe fern
right. but you're allowed to have two brands attached to an enemy; that's the whole point of the Runebinder keystone. so presumably you can get more than one brand's damage?
violet nymph
does anyone know if blitz charges refresh upon gaining a new charge like the rest of the charges?
or does each blitz charge have its own duration
summer magnet
they should refresh just like every other charge
unless they are suddenly making special charges 😛
tough roost
There's a difference between Shotgunning and AoE Overlap
Shotgunning specifically is multiple projectiles from the same cast/attack hitting a target. Like GMP + Burning Arrow used to, if you were close enough, hit a single enemy with all 5 arrows.
Shotgunning is no longer a thing.
safe fern
does Molten Strike shotgun? each projectile is a little AoE circle.
tough roost
That's AoE overlap
As the skill is ground targeted, and does AoE damage upon landing. Rather than the actual projectile hitting a target
safe fern
So how does Storm Brand shotgun? "Sends beams to 3 Enemies, including the Branded Enemy".
violet nymph
the closest thing to something functioning like shotgunning is fireball's aoe overlap
violet nymph
also scourge arrow shotguns i guess
safe fern
Are you positive there's an AoE in Storm Brand? My understanding is it's more like chaining; the brand will zap 3 nearby mobs. Not all mobs.
violet nymph
but it's a secondary effect still so 🤷
tough roost
Scourge Arrow doesn't shotgun, but it's projectiles are secondary, which allows them to hit targets multiple times. Similar to Tornado Shot.
safe fern
Anyway my read is the change means that even if a mob is standing near a bunch of Branded enemies, it will only get zapped once per pulse now, no longer zapped by 2+. still don't understand what happens if a Brand is also attached to the mob.
tough roost
But only 1 secondary projectile per main projectile/pod can hit the same enemy
Brands do single target damage to the enemy they're attached to, if the brand zaps a nearby enemy, the AoE damage from that zap can hit the enemy the brand is attached to.
safe fern
yeah but it doesn't damage all nearby enemies. "Sends beams to 3 Enemies, including the Branded Enemy"
I take that to mean each brand damages a max of 4 mobs at once. the branded mob plus three neighbors.
tough roost
Each Zap also does AoE "Beams which deal damage to nearby enemies and those around them"
safe fern
oh so it does. thanks!
Also I just saw 3.6 Storm Brand already has the "Chaining" keyword, so it really does chain and presumably can use chain support, etc.
Athena, do you agree then that this change likely means that an unbranded mob can only be directly zapped now by one nearby brand? And it used to be more?
(also why was Chain Support never used with Storm Brand? 2% of the poe.ninja top builds from Synthesis used it. I guess it already hit so much stuff so fast there was no need for it.)
proud iris
Anyone know what Blitz charges are from the Berserker ascendency? (Pic related)
Just the attackspeed trade with crit?
wet plaza
kindred dagger
like wtf the new jewel if you can add CI its like godlike ?
native sonnet
the opposite, CI with that jewel and u get 1 shot
kindred dagger
oh yeah im dumb ALL damage bypass, this sentence is especialy made for CI and not make it broken
i read it multiple time to be sure but for some reason i thought only for chaos, eh human brain see only what he want
quartz dome
I officially have no idea how to build oni-g now, with the new tree
Drowning in options
AoF and juicy sword range nodes are on opposite sides of the tree
graceful bear
Does anyone know if Molten Shell has a post CDR? If it lasts for (3) seconds... and has CDR of (3) seconds, cant i "spam" it every 3 seconds to get the absorb bubble?
ivory nimbus
Usually those skills don't start cd until it finishes
graceful bear
I aggree is should @ivory nimbus , but immortal call clearly states on notes it doesnt start until after., whjich is fine. But molten shell does NOT state this.
ivory nimbus
Hmm
graceful bear
Which is why i think its broken, and need clarification
ivory nimbus
We haven't got the gem for it yet right? It might say on that?
graceful bear
Think about it... every ~3 seconds you get a 10k absorb bubble of ALL damage, if you have like 45k armour....
ya... i really need those skill gem reveal. Anyone know when thye release that? will it be late at night again?
ivory nimbus
You're right, it doesn't say. Weird
graceful bear
^
ivory nimbus
That does sound spammable
graceful bear
If they dont add a post CDR, they should only make molten shell absorb fire and phys. not all damage.
Cause right now, my build has a 3second bubble of 10k that absorbes SPELL damage and all ele damage... which is just.... nuts.
quaint sentinel
Slowmode feelsweirdman
buoyant arrow
quaint sentinel
Can't wait for gems today
That's when I'll find out if I'm playing a new skill or a reworked one.
kindred dagger
i dont get it, didnt hey wanted to make fortify stronger like an possible option gem for support your main melee skill ?
because it looks more like a nerf and so burry it defenetly to what it allready was just a support forify gem with movement skill
solid nova
more is way better than increased
kindred dagger
mmhh did i read bad
ooooh yeah my bad, fuck me im depressed today i dont pay much attention...
quaint sentinel
Feelsjebman
kindred dagger
i thought it was just a nerf and they addded the blood/poison bonus, but yeah going from increased to more is way stronger
wild arch
For fuck sake... they got rid of all the chaos damage with attack skills nodes from the tree 
And here I was looking forward to doing a viper strike build
patent canyon
but added ailment with regular nodes
wild arch
I don't need ailment, I need chaos with attacks
patent canyon
but why tho
kindred dagger
they added directly on some gem, but dont know how much you win/lose from the trade
wild arch
You had a bit over 300% inc from the tree
@patent canyon To deal chaos damage with the main hit, what else
wild arch
Because you got over 300% inc chaos from just a couple of nodes
patent canyon
yeah
kindred dagger
that feels strong but i know that for melee damage often when you just add like 10-25 base physic damage it hugly boost your late game DPS so i guess its the same for chaos, as long they they add raw chaos damage directly on gem its just make your tree more flexible without those mendatory nodes.
its just an idea not sure tho
wild arch
How do you scale the flat chaos damage tho
There are barely any chaos nodes left and like half of them are damage over time
kindred dagger
directly with the gem and item support where they still got increased and more chaos damage buff on them
patent canyon
yeah but there no basic chaos nodes around
all it is now is ailment, poison and Dot
wild arch
I lost over 300% damage, there's no way around that
kindred dagger
I dont think they killed chaos damage it has to be a way to make it scale, they wouldnt just kill on damage type of the game like that
wild arch
Well they just did
kindred dagger
wait some someone will find a new path for chaos build and you'll see it will be even stronger
wild arch
I mean poison and decay are still perfectly fine, but they completely butchered what little there was for chaos hits
patent canyon
i guess they really want us to use phys
wild arch
Why would anyone even do a build like that
patent canyon
with new aura and stuff
kindred dagger
you probably should create a topics on reddit like : how do i scale now chaos damage with those nod removed ?
there are a lot of people that seems to know their subject there, and it will give them time to see and anwser you
its easier than on a chat
wild arch
I highly doubt anyone has ever even thought about something as dumb as this
Since there's absolutely no incentive to do chaos attacks
wild arch
Yes
wild arch
What
rapid solar
They didn't remove it?!
wild arch
They did.
rapid solar
It all literally reads: Damage with attacks and ailments with attacks now
As in any also chaos damage
wild arch
There are only 2 nodes now that give 45% total, while there used to be a lot more that have over 300% total
rapid solar
Check out Sleight of Hand e.g.
it applies to chaos as well as any other damage
if anything they made it easier to scale
rapid solar
Holy ... fuck
that buff on Crystal Skin
and Soul of Steel
Geez... those are yummy nodes now
Silent Steps too
Oh my god those defenses
covert helm
I wonder if Flesh and Stone will affect allies using Blood and Sand
rapid solar
I'd expect them to work like heralds?!
covert helm
Added a new Strength/Dexterity Skill Gem - Flesh and Stone: Casts an aura that reserves a portion of your mana, causes nearby enemies to be Maimed while in Blood Stance, and causes those enemies to take increased physical damage. While in Sand Stance, this aura causes nearby enemies to be Blinded, and causes enemies not affected by the aura to deal less damage to you.
It affects... enemies? So I'd want to assume anyone using Blood/Sand would be able to proc the aura
rapid solar
That sounds more like acting like a curse yea
Wonder how that'll work when you change stance
Because it's "activating the aura" to change stance?!
covert helm
sort of just sounds like both affects are there, and the proc is entirely dependant on what stance is active while dealing damage
rapid solar
or do you actually get a new skill alongside the aura?
it must be somewhere in the videos
covert helm
Blood and Sand is it's own skill gem
but its true if you activate it you'd need a skill to alternate between the two stances
vs turning it on or off
ivory nimbus
The Blood/Sand toggle is the one that works different from an aura. It reserves mana, but I believe it just gives you a skill that swaps, rather than turning on/off
Flesh/Stone just sounds like a regular aura that you turn on/off
So if you are using flesh/stone, you would just turn it on once, and you would be using Blood/Sand to swap between the different aura effects. The aura itself stays on the whole time
covert helm
the thing that is not exactly clear is whether or not allies also using blood/sand can also proc the aura effect
ivory nimbus
the aura affects enemies only. How do allies play into it?
covert helm
If I have allies, and they have blood and sand, I want to assume that it will let them proc the effect, but it's not stated.
ivory nimbus
oh I see what you mean. It reads like it won't matter what stance allies are in. It would only matter what stance you're in as the owner of the aura
covert helm
Yaaah....
ivory nimbus
allies shouldn't need blood/sand to take advantage of the effect though?
rapid solar
Yea, that's why I thought it might not even affect them
Because there is no real benefit to it... and it would be a mess granting and losing the stance switch skill when you get out of range of the aura
wild arch
It's so weird how they made some nodes generic attack damage but others are still just physical
covert helm
The aura affects enemies though. And sounds like it keys off a proc from the attacker, which should mean that it depends on whether or not the attacker is using blood/sand.
Especially if it's intended to be an Aura, which appears to behave like a curse
dusty cove
Hmm that main aura paired with temp chain
viscid chasm
We're generally going to need less accuracy rating in 3.7 right? Trying to gauge how valuable certain accuracy clusters are on the tree.
rapid solar
We don't know the new Formula I don't think
viscid chasm
Damn, alright.
rapid solar
There was one mention of 3k something to reach 100% chance to hit against white mobs at 83?
I think?
tranquil beacon
warlords mark changes is a big damn nerf to casters
viscid chasm
Yeah, I recall the 3K number. Not sure how our base accuracy is going to be though.
rapid solar
They also said white mobs are generally way easier to hit now
whatever that means for uniques
simple radish
Goodluck hiting that evasive rare
quaint sentinel
Anyone else think that daggers are going to be pretty nutty this league?
heady viper
I am confused.... Melee Splash
Now supports Strikes.
Now creates a melee splash for each enemy hit, meaning if your Strike attack hits multiple enemies... Cont.
When would a strike attack hit multiple enemies to proc melee splash as outlined above?
viscid chasm
Any time there are multiple enemies in the "cone" your attack hits.
Say you use heavy strike. It'll naturally hit several enemies if they're all clumped in the area. Melee splash would then splash on all of them
heady viper
Any others?
viscid chasm
Every other
heady viper
Do they all do that?
Even lightning does?
I guess I always thought lightning strike was based off a single hit event
I didn't know it had a mini aoe cone
viscid chasm
This is new in this patch. Check out the dev manifesto posted here: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2512662
hoary heron
question , for the chieftan node that has a 35% chance to generate an endurance charge on use of a fire skill, how does that interact with channeling, ie scorching ray, each initial use, or each channel tick?
rapid solar
Should only proc when you start
wild arch
When are 20/20 gems shown?
native sonnet
today
rapid solar
probably within the next few hours
wild arch
Does dual white wind berserker sound insane enough? 
patent canyon
what about just straight up frost blades
with the additionall new flat on gem itself and turbo attack speed from zerk
might not even need single target skill
dusty umbra
I'm probably going for Soul tether build
dusty umbra
Current aproximation of my starforge cyclone/soultether slayer
Only Starforge and Kaoms equipped*/no links on cyclone or any ticks/auras
patent canyon
and only level 105?
languid path
if you wanna use soul tether you should probably get all the max leech rate on the tree
soul tether isn't just slap on and go
dusty umbra
@languid path I know i had a baseline gear on 3.6 tree
@patent canyon Still deciding on which nodes to remove
most likely Brinkmanship -3 and few other nodes
dusty umbra
Eh we already have +100% , though lust of carnage is a possibility to work it in with +40% more
hemato doesn't seem to be worth it though
languid path
lust for carnage does not affect max leech rate
dusty umbra
20% total recovery from life leech
dusty umbra
oh
languid path
and without hematography my leech rate drops by 20%
dusty umbra
My cyclone is only 40k dps in pob , but at 2.4k lifeleech/hit rate (no other gear other than Starforge + Kaoms + Soul tether)
languid path
dps doesn't matter for leech cap
languid path
graceful zinc
Wow... MoM got nerfed to oblivion as well if I’m reading this...
coral meadow
What elder amulet are we talkin about
graceful zinc
Where?
dusty umbra
% of maximum Life per second to maximum Life Leech rate
ilvl 68: 3-5 (Eldritch)
Rare Elder amulet mod
coral meadow
ah nice
graceful zinc
Well it’s barely useable as it is..
coral meadow
juiced
patent canyon
well you will want get some mana from somewhere
dusty umbra
it's the 20% to maximum total leeech iirc in 3.6
it works +- same tho yeah that was the old one
But i feel like Transcendent Flesh is going to be expensive this league 😦 since it'll add ~70% crit multi
snow cairn
i think it can hit 80% 😄
wild arch
I figured out how to go about this chaos build
Forgot that weapon crafts for phys to chaos are a thing
Viper strike with lightbane and at least 20% phys to chaos makes it 100% conversion
quaint sentinel
Gems when tbh
summer magnet
anywhere between 10 minutes to 4 hours
violet nymph
Anyone else catch that it seems like rage is going to offer flat phys
quartz dome
really need gems for me to build plan it feels
violet nymph
Added a new Strength Support Gem - Rage: Supports melee attacks, causing you to gain 1 Rage when you hit an enemy with a supported skill, with a short exclusion timer on Rage gain from the support. Supported skills deal "added physical damage" based on your Rage, "adding a significant amount of physical damage" if your Rage is above a threshold.
odd steeple
Hematophagy Cluster is quietly amazing now
60% increased maximum life leech rate
err, sorry, 30%
placid grotto
Those new phys -> ele conversion nodes are nice... But none work with BV except the ones on the bottom-right. But those are on the bottom-right
quartz dome
no such thing as overkill on defense :v
wild arch
There's also gonna be cwdt molten shell
And for the only aura I'll probably go for the armour one just to be safe
violet nymph
Whats your dps?
wild arch
No idea didn't really set up anything yet
violet nymph
@violet nymph new gems = no dps
We all know this.
@violet nymph whats your dps
No dps
Pretty shit build
idle hull
Anyone know how weight of the empire will work now? https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Weight_of_the_Empire
It says has, which I assume isn't additive to heavy strike's base chance? So is this jewel useless now (unless they updated it?).
safe fern
Some new information for our Storm Brand shotgunning discussion earlier:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/bx5bx9/multiple_storm_brands_can_no_longer_shotgun/eq4l3j4/
Mark_GGG says "Each time a Storm Brand activates, the beams from that activation can only hit each enemy once. That has no affect on other brands or other activations."
That's hardly a nerf at all then! Each Storm Brand zaps 3 nearby enemies. I guess in 3.6 sometimes a single Brand would zap the same mob twice/thrice? I would never have expected that.
violet nymph
so something i just realized
there's chance to blind on the tree, right
an easy 15% chance to blind with attacks
EFFIGON.
@violet nymph also ya know. 90% crit chance by using flesh and stone to get blind
And effigon
i'm unsure ggg understands some of the things they just enabled lol
Oh i bet they do. And just want to see crazy shit
safe fern
I played around with Blind some last league and had a really hard time understanding if it was working / what it was doing.
violet nymph
Like pull out the popcorn and go
i kind of want to play crit consecrated path now
Im playing crit impale cyclone berserker
Cuz i didnt have enough damage :^)
safe fern
I'm playing a sneaky archer Khajit
violet nymph
i'm currently writing a terminus flicker berserker
feels so nice to work in this section of the tree now
quartz dome
I wonder how good the new fort nodes are
since fort is a usable skill gem now
there's a lot of 'increased effect of fortify' on there
silver kettle
they're really good
I'm planning to take both clusters and use fort support in my damage skill
quartz dome
it's just their position is slightly awkward
silver kettle
yeah but that's okay
from my initial messing around in PoB melee builds are not struggling for damage
quartz dome
yeah
silver kettle
so you can afford to sac some damage nodes and pick them up
quartz dome
easy butt naked 200k (old) cyclone with oni-G/90
or I could be misremembering, don't quote me
silver kettle
yeah I'm on 400k naked except for a sinvicta's and no skills other than cyclone
so with all the new shit and a good weapon that's gotta be closing in on 1mil
violet nymph
!pob https://pastebin.com/Y1FpzfUJ i put literally the lowest rolled abyssus and terminus est with no other gear and no skills other than flicker strike
rigid lakeBOT
violet nymph
@quartz dome they basiclly make it 30% reduced compared to 20% base
berserker is fucking insane
quartz dome
30% reduced damage taken sounds pretty good
silver kettle
can also take soul of steel if you're in that neighborhood, for even more dr
violet nymph
55% inc fortify effect while standing still, 45 while moving
next fucking league berserker is getting nerfed into the ground
there's no way they're allowing shaper and uber elder kills without any investment
also not to mention i have both impale notables in that tree
and it's purephys, so that's a lot more damage
@violet nymph so you have 388k rn. Before impale. After impale you are looking at over 500k
with NOTHING
NO INVESTMENT
Impale is great
I love this mechanic :^)
silver kettle
I'm sort of hoping PoB never has impale calcs supported so it stays relatively sleeper 
violet nymph
granted, it's flicker strike so you're not actually going to survive
@silver kettle seriously people keep sleeping it
They dont realize that its the best form of More damage in the game
Post calculation more multi
quiet geyser
Wich side does support impale?
violet nymph
I FORGOT TO ADD A DIAMOND FLASK, so it's EVEN MORE DAMAGE
quiet geyser
So has impale calcs
silver kettle
I'm doing impale calcs manually
quiet geyser
yea wich webside or programm
violet nymph
You have to manually do them currently
quiet geyser
Uff
violet nymph
Thats why people sleep on it
quiet geyser
Is 60% chance impale enaugh? because they last for 5 hits?
silver kettle
there's no such thing as enough, more is always better
violet nymph
Personally i say 100% is the only way to use impale
Any less and you get less than max damage
quiet geyser
Why?
silver kettle
eh my current planned build is 70% chance
native sonnet
no limit
native sonnet
impale lasts for 5 hits, but u can have unlimited impale "stacks"
violet nymph
oh, okay
silver kettle
technically they stack infinitely, but since they last 5 hits you can't stack more than 5 unless you increase the number of hits they last
quiet geyser
Wait what
normal kraken
it's implicitly capped at 5 stacks
violet nymph
so... 50% more damage with 100%?
silver kettle
yes
violet nymph
oh my god
quiet geyser
WHAT
tulip warren
Yep
tulip warren
Phys only tho
quiet geyser
i thaught it just replaces them
normal kraken
it's 0.5 * Chance to impale * Impale effect more damage
violet nymph
holy shit purephys meta
normal kraken
assuming non-champion keystone
violet nymph
who fucking knew
Anyone can get 100% @quiet geyser and champ only gets 20% more but its not worth cuz champ is meh
normal kraken
also flat phys per impale
violet nymph
Thats why i said 20% more
native sonnet
planning my bowzerker but bow lvling on marauder is ugh.... cant get any of the gems i need...
quiet geyser
Worthy foe?
silver kettle
just sunder till Siosa Sieg!
native sonnet
lol
silver kettle
seriously
violet nymph
how do you get 100% without champion
native sonnet
am actually thinking of that
violet nymph
dread banner + nodes is 65%
native sonnet
watching dnd speedrun now
native sonnet
but without investing into melee nodes, not sure how that'll feel like siosa
violet nymph
- chance from impale support
quiet geyser
So what is the clac for impale?
violet nymph
@quiet geyser your final dps * impale chance * impale hit limit
quiet geyser
Isnt it only 10% of recorded dmg?
violet nymph
Nope
native sonnet
assuming 100% chance to impale, 10%more dmg the second hit, 20% more on 3rd, 30% more on 4th, 40% on 5th, and 50% more on all hits after that assuming no inc impale effect
violet nymph
Can be higher, due to impale effect @quiet geyser
quiet geyser
Woundt it be
DPS + DPS x0,10 x Impale effect x impalce change x hit limit?
silver kettle
yes
quiet geyser
OPs forgott it
violet nymph
There ya go
quiet geyser
Thats stupid
violet nymph
this league is gonna be insane
So for example if you take what is on the tree only. You get 65% more damage
quiet geyser
I just need 2 good skills
violet nymph
Also we dont know the stats of impale support. It could have some good inc impale effect
quiet geyser
Or1
violet nymph
i almost want to start with this build instead of bowslayer lmao
silver kettle
Zeta is the prophet of impale
violet nymph
granted, my bowslayer also is purephys and uses the impale nodes
Ive literally been saying impale cyclone since before patchnotes
quiet geyser
Reave/Cleave/Lancng Steel, for waveclear?
violet nymph
Cyclone
i just deleted my oro flicker build because it could never stand up to terminus now lol
You only need cyclone
violet nymph
Then you are on your own
proven wadi
I don't suppose phys trypanon makes any sense
violet nymph
Doesnt have enough damage on it imo
silver kettle
tbh it might be doable with all the new flat damage
violet nymph
Id rather make a 7l rare and get even more dmg
silver kettle
I'd wait until pob is fully updated to mess around with it
proven wadi
Thing is youd be giving up free freezes
I need to try a new skills with tryp to see if anything feels good
violet nymph
My current 7l plans, cyclone, rage, impale, infused channeling, fortify, inc crit chance, and crit damage
I honestly was thinking melee physical damage support over crit dmg. But why? When im crit
7l elder 2h sword
midnight phoenix
Phys trypanon doesnt work without abyssus i tried it alrdy
proven wadi
Good to know thanks
midnight phoenix
It does quite passable dmg with abyssus fwiw
proven wadi
Yeah but I hate abyssus for all the pain it inflicts on me playing fists
midnight phoenix
Its not for everyone lul
But it is very good on a weapon with guaranteed crit and terrible base phys :)
proven wadi
Don't get me wrong I use it every time but that doesn't mean I have to love living life on the edge
Also I heard abyssus might be more expensive this league?
violet nymph
I mean its likely cuz flat phys is good
midnight phoenix
Eh its melee league and the item isnt incredibly common, so maybe?
Most skills will get less out of abyssus since flat phys gets worse the more u have
On the flip side, crit chance is super mindless to get which makes the crit better
So net net i think its prolly about the same
violet nymph
Yeah new crit nodes everywhere is great
midnight phoenix
That being u dont use it unless u love path of building and hate ur xp bar
native sonnet
trapanon earthquake
native sonnet
also kingmaker is actually not bad
full reserve and ignore mp issue from all thhe stupid attack speed
midnight phoenix
I think trypanon VEQ can prolly clear maps really quickly now
No longer limited to just blood aqueduct youtube karma farming
proven wadi
I remember that video
wide ridge
Do we know what multiple sources of rage gain do with each other? is the 0.3 thing a hard limit?
silver kettle
have to wait for the wording on the support gem
native sonnet
the wording from patch notes suggests that its free from berserker's innate rage limit per second but has its own limit within the gem
violet nymph
^
wide ridge
chain hook + support+zerker 😮
wide ridge
not using a new skill is blasphemy
tiny tusk
@violet nymph whats up with cyclone?
silver kettle
Here we go
violet nymph
Its just cyclone meta @tiny tusk
wide ridge
flicker zerker
tiny tusk
whats bringing cyclone meta
wide ridge
melee got buffed hugely, cyclone got buffs, and cyclone was always good
violet nymph
Cyclone has a build for everyone
Pure phys crit impale
Coc of many flavors
Conversion chaos cyclone
tiny tusk
oh okay, its not broke or anything just benefiting from all the changes
My friend plays melee builds and I usually run some caster or support so Idk much about it
silver kettle
The rework of Cyclone is going to make it feel 100x better to play and it's always been a very popular skill type
violet nymph
there's a ton of shit melee-wise that's going to be actually fucking broken
Its basiclly the most versatile skill in the game rn
kindred dagger
Is there a link that regroup every new item and so that were released ? i think i saw a new item for SRS and other stuff i dlike to check to prepare a build, if someone got that thanks
silver kettle
It's not any numerically stronger than other skills
tiny tusk
but hes up to like 14m w/ his lancing steel build from betrayal league w/ the zerker changes
wide ridge
didn't they double monster health, then not make spells stronger?
silver kettle
@kindred dagger https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/brhyu9/patch_37_legion_league_compiled_information_thread/
tiny tusk
I just noticed you mentioned impale cyclone a few times and thought there might be some new biggus dickus on the horizon lol
silver kettle
@wide ridge they doubled the life on rare and magic mobs
violet nymph
@tiny tusk i mean impale cyclone is fucking stupid due to all the pure physical changes
silver kettle
Not regular mobs and bosses
violet nymph
There is not 50% impale chance on tree and an impale support incoming @tiny tusk along with dread banner and impale craft its possible to hit 100% impale chance with any pure physical build.
tiny tusk
oh that is silly
violet nymph
Before any modifiers to impale its just a flat you now have 50% more damage total
Oh and with the known modifiers thaat you pick up to get the 100%, its actually 65%
kindred dagger
wait POB wasnt suposed to be updated ? or its onyl for the tree ? bcause i cant find new item in it
wide ridge
only the tree
tiny tusk
Im pretty well stuck playing aurabot for my friends and Im p sure im doubling down on essence drain this league for my alt
but cool too see the cyclone numbers all the same
violet nymph
impale craft doesn't work for builds with unique weapons
but yeah
@tiny tusk also impale doesn't get calculated by pob just a heads up
tiny tusk
yeah thats cool i more or less just wanna read over the nodes lol
violet nymph
i need to increase this list
i also need to narrow down this list
side note, that's some pretty big fucking damage
i wonder if getting a massive cold elemental mace would be the way to go here
along with pulverize support
sort of the doryani's touch approach: clear the entire screen in one big, slow hit
except not dogshit
proven wadi
Ice crash is my number one favorite skill because it's so crunchy
violet nymph
and it's about to get way crunchier
proven wadi
Maybe I'll try ice crash trypanon
violet nymph
if there were a multiplier based on slower attacks maybe lol
violet nymph
what i mean is, a support that increases your damage BECAUSE your attacks are slow
which doesn't exist
violet nymph
just a slower attack speed added on
kindred dagger
basicaly the fact that your attack is slow pair with the fact you are suposed to have huge damage
proven wadi
Attack slow? Make slower
kindred dagger
so some gem stack better with this and make your hit bigger
was like EQ oneshot build was fun
proven wadi
What I'm worried about with trypanon is windup time
Literally some skills you can't land because they take over a second to come out with attack speed investment
kindred dagger
we'll see personaly i wanted to make an icecrash build for a long time also for glacial happer
I'll probably do a glacial hammer first and maybe just swap gem sometime for fun i guess, that should work
proven wadi
Ice crash facebreakers ez build
kindred dagger
btw that would be logic but incubated bonus take place over an affix right ?
violet nymph
ice crash facebreaker would probably work, though it's pretty annoying that the flat bonus is to cold instead of physical
wide ridge
will skill based flat damage even get multiplied?
midnight phoenix
From facebreaker? Yes if it's phys
wide ridge
I'm just saying, 100-250 added phys damage on face breaker is insane
like, 'we thought of that and no' insane
violet nymph
there are some facebreaker options that are fucking nuts with the changes though, like cyclone, riposte (lol), and reckoning (lol)
not much to go on really
a lot of these didn't get any flat at all
midnight phoenix
Im just gonna throw out that reckoning probably hits for 58201483819395736193598 damage in any facebreaker build
violet nymph
yeah
that's confusing
to be honest i kind of want to try a reckoning gladiator facebreaker build now lol
wide ridge
it's on my ssf list, yeah
violet nymph
!pob https://pastebin.com/CXffPC4U man this shit is dumb
rigid lakeBOT
wide totem
violet nymph
!pob https://pastebin.com/B7siQYEX i added the phys damage reckoning gets, and leveling the skill to 40 puts it at 138% base damage (new level 20 is 140%)
rigid lakeBOT
violet nymph
it's cool that ggg wants "run into a pack" builds to be actually possible without spells now lol
granted, that's too many damn uniques
half terrace
I'm trying to build a frenzy facebreakers Impale build because the frenzy's more multiplier stacking with facebreakers is huge. I wish frenzy would've got added damage though.
violet nymph
cyclone is probably going to be the nuttiest facebreaker build
quaint sentinel
If you can get some aoe on it
half terrace
Yeah Cyclone will probably beat out anything
violet nymph
facebreaker cyclone impale berserker might be one of the most damaging builds in the game
half terrace
You'd want champion because that's how you're getting the impale added damage
violet nymph
oh right, berserker added phys is annoying to scale cause crit
half terrace
I am curious if there is a way to abuse Riposte and Vengeance's 169 - 254 added damage. Block facebreakers could be nasty.
Or reckoning as pointed out above
violet nymph
vengeance can't be used unarmed
half terrace
That's good. Cyclone, Eye of Innocence, Facebreakers, Vengeance would've been abusable.
sharp vigil
do we know if multistrike still has the 30% less damage modifier?
midnight phoenix
If its not in the patch notes u can assume its still on the gem
Until further notice
silver kettle
you can also assume that because if it were removed multistrike would be like a 110% more multi
which isn't happening
midnight phoenix
As it is its what like 45 or something yeah
silver kettle
52
midnight phoenix
That is a lot of dps
Although it does make ur playstyle worse if u actually want that dps... im not looking forward to being locked in place for three attacks at 144% of base aspd
silver kettle
yeah I don't think it's that amazing
support gem discussions heavily depend on how good the new supps are though
cause they sound good
midnight phoenix
Yes absolutely
sharp vigil
if the asp reduction on pulverise isn't too high it could be a good replacement for conc effect to up single target deeps on skills like reave
midnight phoenix
I have three earthquake pobs and none of them are playable if pulverize sucks
silver kettle
lol
I'm hoping I can just stuff pulv on cyclone tbh
I don't need 14 aps
it just needs to be competitive in dps and I'm doing it
sharp vigil
yeah i hate switching to conc effect for bosses, just more dangerous in general
silver kettle
I don't think switching will be a thing anymore tbh
there are enough gems that you don't need conc for a damage link
and things have enough aoe that you don't need inc ever
midnight phoenix
Inc is also a really bad gem in general
silver kettle
this is for melee specifically I should add
sharp vigil
very true. btw is there anything that causes enemies to take more physical damage ala wording in pride? if it means enemies take more damage in the same vein as increased damage...
silver kettle
I think all existing "enemies take ____ damage" effects are increased
midnight phoenix
More i dont think so. Theres lots of increased tho
true bridge
War Banner, Maim done by Gladiators with their maim node
silver kettle
those are both increased
true bridge
Oh yeah I didn't notice the wording difference on Pride
sharp vigil
could just be a "typo" in a sense, tho ggg should know to be careful with wording when it comes to more/increased aha
silver kettle
the usual care tends to slack off a lot in patch notes crunch
true bridge
Would it make War Banner and Gladiator Maim stronger if it was a more effect? I dunno if I've seen a mechanic like that for enemy defences before
heady viper
@wide ridge https://i.imgur.com/MgudxCc.png shield charge described in patch notes are identical to spectral shield throw here, which doesn't work with facebreaker
i saw it and thought of that right away but i dont think it will be considered unarmed anymore
frail mirage
Is this just for legion specific stuff or all of 3.7? (I have a feeling i know already but asking anyway)
sharp vigil
all of 3.7 i'd think, i.e. legion league
silver kettle
idk this is just a #1┃general overflow that needs a different name right now
post release it will be much more focused on actual legion stuff
frail mirage
Oh ok. Have you guys seen the buffed soul of steel node yet it is really pog
silver kettle
yeah it's kinda mandatory in melee builds
they all path close enough to it that they should just take it
sharp vigil
is it worth in an evasion build tho? just for the 1% max all res
melee evasion that is
frail mirage
I mean the phys dr is nice too... but also melee evas would go the other way I guess
frail mirage
Also idk if they did this intentionally but they left those really high stregnth nodes near the marauder close enough to make it work for trancentent flesh (so you can get massive phisical damage reduction by taking them and that jewel slot)
sharp vigil
so many nodes south that are great to pick though, it's a serious struggle
violet nymph
Rage sounds like its adding flat phys. And impale is God of pure phys so long as its numbers are there
i am still freaking out about how powerful berserker terminus flicker is
with 0 investment
GIVE US GEM INFO GGGGGGGGGGG
frail mirage
Nice unique makes for a better hipster light stacking builds than corona @kindred dagger
kindred dagger
like there is a lot of item like this in the game
lol ok hipster i get it but like its trash right ? you cant really use this
silver kettle
so much Sire of Shards synergy 😄
frail mirage
Idk I have not looked at how big you can get for light radius numbers I mean maybe it could work
kindred dagger
exept for praying the sun it has any effect ?
muted lichen
Does anyone know if the changes to cyclone will cause it too do less or more damage then it does know? I'm planning on using it as my main skill as my legion starter.
*now
muted lichen
nice
violet nymph
Fucking waaaaaaay more dmg
muted lichen
with it being a channeling skill, with this change the skill in any major way?
violet nymph
Mana cost
muted lichen
more?
violet nymph
2 mana cost
muted lichen
oh
violet nymph
Makes it very easy to cover with a single mgoh
violet nymph
5 Mgoh will be able to cover it. And cyclone will be one of the most common builds.
Pure phys seems the most budget
violet nymph
Mana gain on hit
muted lichen
thx
silver kettle
hot tip for cyclone: craft -mana cost onto a ring
a single craft of that at top tier will make cyclone cost 0 in most setups
can craft two lower tier ones until you get that
native sonnet
im kinda tempted to go cyclone but also dk how i feel about that as my starter since i havent done it before
violet nymph
Cyclone should be a lot better for league starting now
silver kettle
it's going to be so good
this is the most confident I've felt about a starter in a long time
trust me
native sonnet
im sure it is/will be, just dk how comfortable i am rushing uber elder with it
silver kettle
eh mechanically it's a pretty strong bossing skill
midnight phoenix
I dont think cyclone is the build for early league boss rushes
silver kettle
since you never have to stop moving and the range is pretty good now
it's not like the best single target skill
but the damage is pllllenty
midnight phoenix
It looks like a pretty nice mapper tho
Eh like if ur early league u have shithouse gear, ur skill needs to do some serious lifting usually
Im sure its doable fwiw
But im pretty sure someone that rushes bosses every league like say bo7 is not going man cyclone that sounds 10/10
silver kettle
WTD my current cyclone setup is dealing 400k shaper with a sinvicta's and missing the three damage buffs that are about to be revealed
so there's no way that's under 600k with them
you could basically do uber elder with a white weapon at that point
midnight phoenix
Its not rly about capability the way i read the earlier comment
Its more about can i crush the fuck out of this fight with minimal risk and lousy gear
Correct me if im wrong hey sieg
silver kettle
idk I honestly feel like it can
I'm certainly rushing straight to uber elder with it
although that takes a while since ssf
midnight phoenix
If its more like hey i want a good mapper that can also do uber elder fine then i agree 100%
native sonnet
i have no doubts the skill/build is fine, my concern is mainly on my playstyle compatibility with melee
midnight phoenix
Im sure cyclone has what it takes
native sonnet
cuz i played mostly range/spell
where i can alwasy fallback to range kiting a difficult boss
which i suppose i could always put on sunder in those situation
midnight phoenix
Well learning to not stand in the fire is an important melee skill absolutely
silver kettle
cyclone basically plays like winter orb
midnight phoenix
Fwiw sunder does not do good enough single target dps as far as i can math it
native sonnet
and yeah the fortify + more efficient tree is definitely very enticing atm
midnight phoenix
Ye but viper ur making it sound as good as worb lol
native sonnet
cyclone for both clear and bossing right i presume
native sonnet
lol
silver kettle
but it is very good
native sonnet
yeah ik there's more "aiming" to do
hmmm, aight, now do i go 2h axe/sword/staff or dw hmmmm
midnight phoenix
Every crit axe tree i make is the ugliest thing on the planet
Bottom right is some 40iq shit unless u skip vaal pact or something
silver kettle
crit kinda has to be sword doesn't it
midnight phoenix
Plz
Fleshripper is an item
I got this np
That thing has been sitting there lurking for like 4 years waiting for support
native sonnet
midnight phoenix
Pulverize is kinda bleh
languid path
rage support is a ok
native sonnet
hmmm impale
languid path
pretty cool, cut the rage generation time down to almost half
native sonnet
chance and effect are good, but expect slightly higher more dmg
midnight phoenix
Impale support has good enough stats to use
native sonnet
yeah
just the effect alone is basically 6%more dmg per stack, which translate to about 30% more dmg, or closer to 25 if u factor in other sources of effects
native sonnet
blood magic it
languid path
will do easily
I have like 7k5 life
and it frees up my amulet slots for even more life and lreech rate
totally worth it for 180 mana
native sonnet
close combat ooo
violet nymph
Holy hell rage, berserk, pride, and impale are nuts
midnight phoenix
Okk i havent read it yet
native sonnet
blood and sand 15% more dmg for 10% mp wtf
midnight phoenix
So like if im gaining 0.3 rage per sec and i pop this
violet nymph
69-107 flat physical on max rage
midnight phoenix
Its uh 7 seconds of berserk give or take a tiny bit
midnight phoenix
Im not sure what that is but i dont think it gets u there
languid path
yeah that's what I thought but WTD said it's wrong
so it's wrong
wait so I'm right?
hahah suck it wtd
native sonnet
10 seconds if u r using the rage gem as well
languid path
midnight phoenix
U were only right by accident lmao ydro
native sonnet
so many good support gems to use ....
native sonnet
60%more dmg if u r on top of them
midnight phoenix
Like at range 0 its a 60 more multi that makes ur dash faster
That is a beating and a half
violet nymph
69-107 flat phys dmg on max rage
19-39% more phys on pride
30% more dmg on berserk
15% more dmg on impale
+59% inc impale effect (with the 30 on tree, this is roughly a 90% more multi)
15% more from blood and sand blood stance
16% inc dmg against maimed targets
midnight phoenix
U forgot 50 from shock
midnight phoenix
Gem wins
violet nymph
Isnt this a buff
midnight phoenix
Tf does a shockwave do anyway
native sonnet
refreshh the page
midnight phoenix
Does it have numbers
native sonnet
yes
languid path
10% Increased Damage
a whooping 10% 
if you quality it
well, I guess it's a poorman melee splash with no penalty
languid path