1┃mirage-league

[fading fulcrum]

so does occultist get something to replace Wicked Ward, or is it just a 2pointer to Vile Bastion now?

[knotty yew]

I didn't really make use of delve suffixes in Synthesis anyway

it's a 2-pointer to vile bastion

[twin iris]

We have to wait for patchnotes to see.

[knotty yew]

so I'd assume now you can either go malediction/void beacon/vile bastion or profane bloom/withered presence/vile bastion

[fading fulcrum]

if its just a 2 pointer, you can just grab void beacon and play as if nothing happened, honestly xD

[knotty yew]

Not for ED/Cont, again

Because profane bloom completely fucks the contagion spread

pick profane bloom and you go from clearing 3 screens per cast to clearing maybe half a screen

it's insane

[twin iris]

True

[knotty yew]

Hence my ED/Bane or Blight/Bane or Blight-CWC-Soulrend point

now that you might not even want wicked ward (depending on how much regen vile bastion can give), soul strike might also become a commodity, if you don't mind playing with sub-9k ES

so just get a CWC staff that you multicraft nacdot/+2support

[fading fulcrum]

soul strike?

what is that?

[dusty cove]

if you want maxium ed clear you go deadeye for that sweet 50% aoe

[knotty yew]

You don't need extra aoe with ed

at least not once you're running alch'd maps

[sharp wind]

Unleash makes contagion huge

[knotty yew]

you meen intensify

but yeah

[sharp wind]

ye

[final plume]

Some monsters use the new melee system, so the area their attacks hit will match the animations they use, making combat feel more connected and letting you respond to actions.

Why only some and not all monsters?

Won't it feel clunky to not be able to dodge the normal monsters while being able to dodge some monsters? Or am I reading that wrong?

[sharp wind]

Pretty sure they only fixed early acts monsters.

[final plume]

Hmm yeah I guess dodge is irrelevant at higher levels of play except for bosses

[normal kraken]

it's just what they had time to rework for 3.7

they already said that they plan to roll the same changes for other monsters in the future

[summer magnet]

yeah 4.0.0 they said all monster would be reworked into the new system

[eternal turtle]

I just hope they worked on innocence

[marsh wagon]

waiting on occy-neesan and ele-imouto patch notes

[summer magnet]

well patch notes are in 7-8 hours :p

[normal kraken]

innocence is already in a good spot in that context

[summer magnet]

im so fucking hyped!

patch notes tonight, PoB tonight

Item filters

[marsh wagon]

team witch will still get a respectable position this league

i'll bring her to the top poeninjas

[knotty yew]

Oh I'm willing to bet that Bane witch will still be good

ED/Bane occ

[summer magnet]

ofc

just because they slightly nerfed it doesn't mean it's trash :p

[knotty yew]

ED/Cont occ is kinda dead tho

well, dead

it's fully ascended in merciless lab

which kinda blows

[signal forge]

What's the teaser schedule for today and tomorrow?

[knotty yew]

so yeah, ED/Bane or Blight/Bane

[summer magnet]

we don't know i believe

but patch notes, PoB and itemfilter tonbight

[signal forge]

Bex posted it before but I can't find it now

At least we can start making builds today

[summer magnet]

yup

well for me it's tomorrow :p

[signal forge]

Thoughts on best ascendancy for double strike?

[summer magnet]

patch notes 😛

i don't decide anything before patch notes

[knotty yew]

Best ascendancy for double strike is

[signal forge]

lol

[marsh wagon]

so a full pob tree?

[summer magnet]

but fast aps is prob important

[marsh wagon]

but not the jewel mods right

[signal forge]

Zerker or glad

[knotty yew]

zerkerslayerjuggernautgladiatorchampionraidertricksterassassin

probably

[summer magnet]

i think zerker is gonna be insane but we will have to see

[knotty yew]

zerk is definitely it for softcore pleb me

i want to be ze fast

[marsh wagon]

team witch will outperform expectations

all 3 of em!

[knotty yew]

i'll probably build a bane / ed toon somtime in the league

but not from scratch

[summer magnet]

due to all the aps just pop vaal double strike and watch them hit 1 million times and kill everything :p

[knotty yew]

like when I get my shav and +5 bow

[signal forge]

People pre nerf: fuck melee doing winter orb

[dusty cove]

thinking bow cheiftain for the spicy endurance charges and fire leech

[signal forge]

People now: salty tears

[knotty yew]

top bow build will be slayer imho

at first at least

lioneye's glare slayer

might be ultra strong

[dusty cove]

thicket bow cheiftain ele hit 😄

go rear guard for the extra memes

[eternal turtle]

Berserker ele hit bow for the speed

[dusty cove]

rather get all the pen

[bitter goblet]

i wish they'd release some info on the new support gems

[dusty umbra]

Starforge cyclone or DW cyclone slayer , or another melee skill that is the question

[knotty yew]

voidforge berserker cyclone

[eternal turtle]

Disfavour cyclone slayer with the crit node?

[knotty yew]

disfavour goldentrail flickerslayer

because nothing say alpha like flickering with an axe that's twice your size

[eternal turtle]

Then ya need the 99% conversion tho

Or go CI

[knotty yew]

99% conversion is way to go

40% from tree, 59% from watcher's eye + glove

bonus is, you shatter those fucking porkies

[runic trellis]

WHY IS THERE NOT A STASH DUMP BUTTON

[runic wyvern]

i spent like 2 hours last night organizing my standard stashes

and still have a ton left ot do

[dusty umbra]

@eternal turtle tbh i already have a build with 10k+ effect hp and overleech damage for cyclone slayer is my only concern

hence considering options like dw or starforge

(Realworld reach is at least 3x of that)

not even on gg gear

[eternal turtle]

Just get more crit

[dusty umbra]

On a current slayer/duelyst tree

[eternal turtle]

And also ES is getting nerfed

[dusty umbra]

that doesnt matter

for this build

at all

since you see ES from tree is only 113%

[eternal turtle]

Ahh ok

Then what’s your crit %?

Cause you can start with the 8% base

[dusty umbra]

Only 27.20% (without crit gems and 8% on base)

starforge

[eternal turtle]

Crit gems don’t effect slayer apparently

[dusty umbra]

ignore the dps since i haven't really set it up for damage

that's just a baseline for talents/somewhat average gear i used

also actual ES leech is 5-10x of that listed there even without es gem

[eternal turtle]

Well we also need to wait for the skill reworks cause cyclone is getting changed

[dusty umbra]

and a reworked tree

i know hence i said "baseline"

but this survivability even with changed tree should be achievable

10k leech cap 10k es/life leech cap

[eternal turtle]

Why invest in both?

[dusty umbra]

soul tether )

but as i said survivability im not concerned about changed tree or not

nerfs or not this is still going to be good

question is about choose best weapon combo/skills for damage

[quiet geyser]

like 7 more hours untill patchnotes

Maybe Staves

Staves nodes are great

[eternal turtle]

Remember starforge ya lose elemental damage

[quiet geyser]

IF they add this attack staves, and slayer crit

[eternal turtle]

Staves will be good for berserker I think

[north dragon]

sigh

rip taste of hate/lion's roar prices

in 3.7

😦

[dusty umbra]

@eternal turtle yeah i know but we still keep Atziris/Unholy might

[eternal turtle]

Don’t have already have high base crit?

@north dragon why ya say that?

[marsh wagon]

why are staves a thing as opposed to a normal 2h sword/mace/axe

[dusty umbra]

we'll have war staves that can't roll caster mods

so we'll see how that works out

[marsh wagon]

surely sword/mace/axe can't too right

[fallen tulip]

Staves can knockback on crit and thus reverse knockback on crit

[final plume]

Yo

When will Path of Building be updated to the Legion passive tree?

I need to plan my build

[copper kernel]

after release probably

[sharp wind]

maybe day start or a few days after

[final plume]

then how does everyone come up with league starter builds

when the passive tree is reworked

[sharp wind]

basic ideas

[final plume]

okay

[summer magnet]

Pob, patch notes and item filter is tonight

6-7 hours

[final plume]

Thank god

[summer magnet]

however not everything legion will be in the pob

like the new jewels and shit

[copper kernel]

you dont really need pob

[summer magnet]

but passive tree should be solid

[copper kernel]

to pick a starter

[summer magnet]

no, but it helps you progress faster

so you can be the first to sell the juicy loot for overprice in the beginning of the league

[final plume]

Did Synthesis already end or will it end at the launch of legion?

[sharp wind]

ended yesterday

[summer magnet]

endid 18 hours ago

[north dragon]

the age of super power items

[final plume]

Why do they do this? Noone will play now anymore

[sharp wind]

there's standard 😃

[final plume]

tbh they should rename that. Whenever I think of "Standard" I think blergh

[sharp wind]

blergh is an apt description.

[dusty umbra]

@copper kernel Yeah i guess end-game build can be adjusted both tree and skills

[summer magnet]

they are doing it because they have to merge synthesis with the core game

[dusty umbra]

But most somewhat experienced people will reach that end game in max few days

[summer magnet]

well

in most cases that is the case

[sharp wind]

synthesis isn't going core

[crimson flax]

The starters are only done to fit the new mechanics, ED/contagion will be pretty strong to farm legion

[summer magnet]

it is.. just not currently

they stated they are looking at way to implement it later

[sharp wind]

blergh

[final plume]

blergh²

[dusty umbra]

I'm actually surprised they are nerfing soulrend

sure it's good for clear

[crimson flax]

it was good for pretty much everything, I think that's what motivated their choice

[odd steeple]

inb4 they actually nerfed ED too it just wasn't in the Balance Manifesto

[wispy crest]

I wanna go some big aoe fast as BOI rage melee zerker but I am still not set on skill :/

[summer magnet]

why would you be set on a skill before patch notes anyway :p

[wispy crest]

Cuz cyclone people

I dont want cyclone

[dusty umbra]

@crimson flax eh it's boss dps wasn't close to top choices

[knotty yew]

Chaos dots have never been close to top choices

it's how safe they are that makes them good

[crimson flax]

CWC soulrend on blight was pretty nice for bossing

but I don't understand the nerf on ED

[odd steeple]

They're really strong damage on zero gear, that's why they're nerfed

[wispy crest]

CWC ||any high damage on channel|| was is pretty nice for bossing

[odd steeple]

On the flip side they don't scale very well, so now they'll be useless

[crimson flax]

it wasn't winter orb but you were able to achieve very nice end game dps

[wispy crest]

I just hope one of the new rage skills gonna be OP AF

[dusty umbra]

@crimson flax It was one of my first builds this league still deeps not as good as some other choices and why i went for trying something else

[wispy crest]

So I can finally pick meta build

[odd steeple]

I think they're gonna make Rage limited, like Fortify is

[wispy crest]

And want to KMS cuz gear prices

[odd steeple]

You can only gain it from actually hitting enemies, or something like that

[dusty umbra]

It's early game for both bane/sr that needed the nerf not the end game tbh

[odd steeple]

So you have to be momentum based

[wispy crest]

I will be SUPA FAST BOI

[north dragon]

ed league

contagion with aoe + 1 ed clears the whole legion pack

[odd steeple]

Wait for patch notes. I give it 50/50 ED got the exact same nerfs 😛

As Soulrend and friends

[north dragon]

hopefully

[odd steeple]

ED is a weird skill, it gets better the higher you go in maps

Like when you're doing transmuted Tier 1 Beach maps it's slow as balls

[dusty cove]

doubt it since ed really needs two skill setups

[north dragon]

look how close the legion packs are

[odd steeple]

When you're doing 3 frag alched Toxic Sewers with Bloodlines and 4 sextants

it's AMAZING

[north dragon]

u can probably clear all with 1ed+contagion

especially ppl who spec into a bit of aoe

[dusty cove]

can probably do that too with frozen orb and ice nova too

[odd steeple]

Remember, that's also pre-patch hype video too

There's always the chance that it's not at all that dense

[north dragon]

ice nova? it goes small after each chain

contagion doesn't

[wide totem]

Im I the only one who feels like kinetic blast might be a thing this league?

[north dragon]

projectiles

not only kb

[odd steeple]

I think KB is pretty rough? But projectiles yeah

Like KB ALREADY has issues killing rares

[wide totem]

True

[odd steeple]

and now they're giving 2x health and nerfing abyss jewels

[dusty cove]

buffing normal jewels

so all good

[odd steeple]

Not really

buffing low end jewels

but triple crit multi jewels are still better than triple increased damage jewels

It will be cheaper to find useful jewels, sure, but not really a buff to high investment characters

I'm gonna go try to sort through my standard stash tabs, see you in 7 hours for patch notes

[dusty umbra]

Shaper Steel Rings next league 🤑

[spare cape]

With the changes to abyssal jewels is tornado shot still going to work out? seems like a lot of lost damage was curious to try out a bow user who can deal with the kind of packs we are seeing in the trailers

[twin rampart]

you have to use phys to ele convert now

everyone was riding the windripper train for too long

it was going to get nerfed into the ground, no way it survived

[odd steeple]

You can make a really good Tornado Shot character, you just can't use Windripper + QotF and expect it to clear t16 easily

[twin rampart]

Glare + Signal Fire can clear t16 easily

[odd steeple]

Yes, or just Glare + Hyrri's demise, or dex stacking rare bow + Hyrri's quiver

[twin rampart]

opus and voidfletcher

are also really good

[odd steeple]

Voidfletcher plus Hyrri's chest armor

[twin rampart]

yeah

[odd steeple]

is really insanely good

[twin rampart]

you can do anything in the game with that

outside of super deep delves

[odd steeple]

It's good on Trickster too because hyrri's chest has a lot of evasion but no other defenses besides 10% dodge/spell dodge

[spare cape]

for the ele conversion version is it sitll best to be deadeye?

im brand new to bows tbh

[odd steeple]

Deadeye or Slayer

[twin rampart]

deadeye is going to be the easiest to scale up

[odd steeple]

both should be good

[twin rampart]

you don't need pots

alot of your dmg comes from your tree

[spare cape]

good my mommy doesnt like me doing drugs

[twin rampart]

in general it's just easier to start with

although bow league starter is just hard

[static token]

I haven't played bow builds in like 2 years. Are Scourge arrow and Toxic rain going to be dead with the nerfs or are they still solid?

[odd steeple]

I think for high investment Deadeye should be good, for just doing a bunch of damage with Lioneye's Glare and cheap gear Slayer should be good

[twin rampart]

deadeye is fine even without alot of investment

[spare cape]

just hard how do you mean ?

[twin rampart]

league starting bows

is miserable

you require alot more gear then other archetypes

[spare cape]

low base damage or what?

[twin rampart]

usually you need the combination of bow + quiver and usually some other dmg gear to start really being able to clear fast

meanwhile spells just need to level gems

melee needs one weapon and a tabula

[odd steeple]

yeah, basically, you're built to clear white mobs faster than any build in the game, but your single target suffers until you get all your gear straightened out

like on melee you just buy a Kondo's Pride or something and it does fine til t10 maps

[twin rampart]

bows need tabula+bow+quiver+usually something else to help boost dmg

then you need +2 TS if you're playing TS

[jade cliff]

I just use a quillrain and hoa lol

[twin rampart]

and then a dying sun

[odd steeple]

Wait til patch notes

if HoAg got 30% nerf it's OK

[twin rampart]

you could go toxic rain or caustic arrow

[odd steeple]

If it got 60% nerf it's not

[twin rampart]

caustic actually isn't bad to level with

tbh

just take all phys dmg nodes

respec later

[spare cape]

fair enough it was going to be for group play with some new friends in SSF im prob going ED contagion so ill have access to trade league for the nado shot

[jade cliff]

Kinda annoyed they nerf'd hoa, was working on a psn cyclone build with max ranges lol

[twin rampart]

hoa was dumb

[odd steeple]

I think maybe Ice Shot > Nado Shot

[twin rampart]

i played it just to see how good it was on an occultist

[spare cape]

i dont like hoa the gameplay feels terrible to me

[twin rampart]

ice shot is better

until nado +2

[odd steeple]

since it doesn't require a helm and Chain Support is super good now

[spare cape]

ice shot even for the pack clearing?

[twin rampart]

for clearing ice shot is better until +2

then +2 wins

[jade cliff]

Kinda worried about the aurabot nerfs this league though

[odd steeple]

Ice Shot for packs, Scourge Arrow for single target

[north dragon]

split arrow

[twin rampart]

scourge arrow or barrage for single target

at full gear you're still the fastest

deadeye with full gear will outclear anyone in the game :\

[jade cliff]

We found pathfinder faster lol

[odd steeple]

Aurabots are certainly nerfed hard, but you can build a cheap version still with Victario's chest armor

With like only 10 auras

[twin rampart]

with full gear and +projectiles deadeye wins

pretty sure

[jade cliff]

yeah but cheap version requires corruscating pot which is legit cancer

[twin rampart]

rigwalds, chain fork etc.

[north dragon]

all i need is my terminus est to clear as fast

[odd steeple]

It doesn't. I've done two Victario's aurabots without it in the past

[twin rampart]

the aurabot nerf is sad days

but oh well

it was about time they nerfed it

[odd steeple]

I've done life-based, and hybrid

[jade cliff]

no idea how, Ive tried it with 2k hp unreserved and it still didnt work well lol

[odd steeple]

you wear Broken Crown and some chaos res gear

max chaos res

should be really easy since you get like 100% all res from auras

[low kindle]

Aurabots want alphas howl

[jade cliff]

Ive always capped chaos res you still die to fast w/o corruscating or ci

and CI aurabot is gonna be like 20ex to really get going this league maybe more 😦

[odd steeple]

To what? nothing in this game kills 2h hp with 75% chaos res except the ED-using exile

[jade cliff]

your joking right lol

[odd steeple]

not at all

[jade cliff]

I get insta popped on t16's/deep delves even when im pushing it to 8k es

[low kindle]

It really sucks that zo removes life regen, it should give 50% less life recovery or smth

[odd steeple]

I mean I didn't do delves when I did this, did you have max chaos res?

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/SirClueless/characters?characterName=AuranoldSchwarzenegger

there's my character, it was from a 1week race maybe a year and a half ago

survived just fine on that gear

[twin rampart]

nothing in game will kill you with 75% chaos res and 2kish hp

with chaos dmg

[jade cliff]

dunno, we run dbl beyond, fully sextant maps with fat quant and i've been insta gibbed on hybrid aura before

[low kindle]

2k chaos hit with 75% res is 12.8k hit with -60% res

[odd steeple]

With chaos damage tho? What even does substantial chaos damage?

[low kindle]

Fenumus

[jade cliff]

not even sure lmao, we just sprint then bam insta dead and not just me that was the other 3 aurabots in the rotation as well

[odd steeple]

They were all hybrid without coruscating?

sounds like just a big hit

and not issues with chaos

[wild arch]

Trypanon zerker with voll's using frenzy coc discharge

[twin rampart]

stop

i was going to do something like that

[wild arch]

[low kindle]

Blitz + rage crit bloodseeker epilepsy zerker

[jade cliff]

dunno only one in our group that was living was the main aurabot with ci build rest of us were just fillers for friends demi push or whatever he was doing

[odd steeple]

Bloodseeker zerker is gonna be STUUUUUUPID

[wild arch]

It better be ele hit for full hp heal per hit

[jade cliff]

So are patch notes dropping today?

[summer magnet]

yeah in 6 ish hours'

maybe 5 if we are really lucky

[jade cliff]

hopefully pob isnt days late this league

[odd steeple]

Bloodseeker cyclone?

[summer magnet]

pob is today

[languid path]

bex said patchnote is gonna be in the late afternoon

it's not even 5am in middle earth yet

[jade cliff]

nice, seems like ggg took reddit seriously after last leagues complaints about them overworking the dude haha

[summer magnet]

if you click the little pin / needle in the top right you will see what's coming today 😃

[languid path]

it's tree data only tho

no implementation of new nodes' wording

[summer magnet]

yes

[odd steeple]

PoB is gonna be super useless this league I'd bet

[summer magnet]

ofc they ain't giving us the old passive tree lol

[odd steeple]

because all the legion jewels will require updates

[jade cliff]

ahh rip, assuming no new jewels either then or the gear

[odd steeple]

and he's gonna be busy doing GGG dev things

[jade cliff]

I wish someone would update pob to allow multi-building

[summer magnet]

multi building?

you can make as many as you want?

[languid path]

you mean open source?

then it's already

there just not a single nerd smart enough to fork it yet

[jade cliff]

aka how much damage would bosskiller do against an Uber with an aurabot/cursebot in group ect

[odd steeple]

Actually there are some forks

like the PoB online version

[summer magnet]

well

[odd steeple]

poebuddy I htink it's called?

[languid path]

still have to rely on openarl implementation

[summer magnet]

aurabot won't be a thing anymore :3

[jade cliff]

like the ability to load up your build, and your friends aurabot, and see which aura's he could run to up your damage ect

Nah you can still aurabot

[summer magnet]

just not as efficient

[jade cliff]

There is a CI variant that didnt use the bloodnodes anyway

Its just expensive af

[odd steeple]

You can aurabot with just Prism Guardian, basically

unless they do something to Prism Guardian you can always make scuffed aurabot be ok

[summer magnet]

i don't see the point of aurabots anyway xD

[copper kernel]

you could do CI aurabots

[jade cliff]

I actually don't think ive run prism guard typically in last few leagues lol

Damage increases are insane early league

dependable

[odd steeple]

There's already aurabots that don't take blood magic and just stack 1% reduced jewels

[jade cliff]

can also shore up weaknesses early league w/o wasting currency on gear

yeah thats the CI build

9 jewels 1%

[summer magnet]

i never had the need for an aurabot.. like ever

[jade cliff]

Do you hit t16 day 1?

[odd steeple]

I mean have you ever sacrificed literally every item slot that can exist for MF gear?

If you haven't done that, then you haven't needed an aurabot

[summer magnet]

no but i don't need to run MF ever :p

[odd steeple]

I want to see a MF legion jewel

[jade cliff]

how much do you make a week typically?

[odd steeple]

just to make them actually make hard decisions again

[north dragon]

my almost dream ring

[summer magnet]

i don't have exact numbers, i don't trade much tbh.

but i always earned roughly 7-10ex a week

[odd steeple]

You're just playing a different game

[jade cliff]

ahh, our push group pulls in roughly 10-12 mirrors first week lol

[odd steeple]

Which is cool, you don't have to tryhard in a group to enjoy PoE

[jade cliff]

its just a different style of gaming, i personally prefer the more laid back gaming lol

[summer magnet]

yeah well, getting 10-12 mirrors first week is nice for sure.

but like i said not much of a trader :p

I just enjoy bashing the content and pushing the content as fast as i can :3

[dusty umbra]

synth was a pretty easy league in terms of currency income

if you knew how to read

[jade cliff]

yeah, we build pure speed, aura bots pick everything, mapper sets up map while aura dumps to guild stash, and traders take over from there lol

[odd steeple]

Well, it was one where talking to other people probably helped a lot

[summer magnet]

also earning 10-12 mirrors week one would mean you had to play 10-12 hours a day if not more. I simply don't have the time for that with my work 😃

[jade cliff]

more like 18 -20 hours lmao

[odd steeple]

I'm 100% on board with how you play the game Dane, but then to say "No one needs an aurabot" is not really fair

[jade cliff]

yeah just a different playstyle if you prioritize efficiency over casualness

can dump alotta survival for speed or MF with aura + increased drop rates are always nice lol

[summer magnet]

well, then it's not fair to call me casual due to not playing 18 hours or preferring to farm currency :3

people pushing ladder's are not casuals 😦

[odd steeple]

It's like, reddit casual 😛

[summer magnet]

but they don't try hard farm currency lol

[jade cliff]

yeah they have traders 😄

[summer magnet]

it's like people standing in wow's ah 12 hours a day.. like.. wtf.. you ain't even playing the game.. go play with stocks are something instead xD

[odd steeple]

I mean they're playing a game, it's just not the game you're playing

[jade cliff]

friends ladder team this season is like 3 traders, aura, curse,mana guard, mapper,mf, and bk lol

[dusty umbra]

@summer magnet Wow AH lul, may i mention eve instead

[odd steeple]

Like, playing the WoW or PoE trading systems are more fun for the same reasons that playing Euro Truck Simulator is more fun than actually driving a truck

[jade cliff]

I mean their trader team is farming them 30 quicksilvers right off the bat haha

[odd steeple]

hnnng adrenaline quicksilvers

[jade cliff]

nah 30% ms boot recipe lol

[summer magnet]

well, im only watch the streamers and they seem to be doing just fine

[odd steeple]

oh haha

I'd like someone to craft me adrenaline quicksilvers at the start of league tho

I could get behind that

[jade cliff]

triple adren + tabby + ms boot start lmao

[odd steeple]

the softcore life

[summer magnet]

and if we are talking about casual.. then lets be fair.. the only hardcore players are the ones playing outside trade league with no help at all

[odd steeple]

Nah, I think the most hardcore players are the ones playing the most competitive race

Which is, for a while now, the SC 100 push race

[summer magnet]

the reason why you consider SC the most competitive is that because it has the most players ?

[odd steeple]

Yes, pretty much

The most teams competing to win it

[summer magnet]

because SC will always have the most players

[jade cliff]

like ssf hc is hardcore but not many people racing it lol

hell not many people playing it period

[odd steeple]

I mean that's not always true, like I'd say the most competitive thing in Synthesis Flashback was SSFHC

At least, I didn't hear anything much about SC during that race

[jade cliff]

I wish I could play Hc here, always to many issues at league start with dc's though for me to risk it

[summer magnet]

because all the SC players are casuals and they played too much poe so they didn't give a fuck 😄

[odd steeple]

I don't think that's true. It just removes an axis of randomness from the race

The problem with hardcore races is that like 7/8ths of the teams will have an important death

and then it's just not competitive at the end

[summer magnet]

how come it ain't competitive just because you can die?

in my oppinion it makes it alot more competitive because of that reason

[jade cliff]

When your mapper the leveler carry dies kinda takes your team out completely

[odd steeple]

It's because if someone dies it can leave a single team way far ahead, too far to catch up

and then the other teams aren't motivated to try to catch up

[summer magnet]

well you are also talking teams now

[odd steeple]

and the team in front is also not motivated to go fast either since no one can beat them

Like the Method race

did you follow the method race?

[jade cliff]

solo people never are in the race, and the wow race?

[summer magnet]

mathil is a solo player? xD

he come close to 2nd

[odd steeple]

that was SSFHC though

[summer magnet]

well 2nd ass and 44 ladder

yes

[odd steeple]

SSFHC has had some cool races before

It's probably the second most competitive race most leagues, I'd say

[jade cliff]

yeah 44 is way outta the race, and 2nd ass is cause no one plays it lol

[odd steeple]

(except that Aila wins so often :P)

[summer magnet]

alot of people played ass?

for worb?

[odd steeple]

No one played assassin except for demis

[summer magnet]

they just died

[jade cliff]

alot better worbs for hc then sin

[odd steeple]

They went winter orb assassin because they had to be assassin, and winter orb was the best on everything

[jade cliff]

lol worb was so broken

[odd steeple]

And mathil beast moded with self cast ice nova

[summer magnet]

yeah mathil was such a fucking boss dude

i love him for not playing filthy casual worb

worb ruined racing scene 😦

[odd steeple]

We have different definitions of "casual"

like doing something super duper boring because it's the best way to win is the definition of "not casual"

[broken grail]

casuals

[summer magnet]

well casual is the wrong word to use in this kind of discussion since casual is very broad term covering alot of aspects

and can be conceived differently from other people than one self

[odd steeple]

Sure, though when you say "filthy casual" there it seemed like a sarcastic tone to me

i.e. not totally serious about worb being casual

[summer magnet]

it was a sarcastic tone lol

wait no

stop confusing me

i meant it!

xD

[solid nova]

Schrodingers sarcasm?

[odd steeple]

That's where you're serious unless someone calls you on it, then you're making a joke

[wild arch]

Which ascendancy is best for poison atm?

I'm guessing pathfinder's double damage and prolif is the way to go

But I keep hovering over assassin all the time .-.

[quaint sentinel]

Trickster still fine for poison prob

[viscid chasm]

I feel like Chieftain is getting hyped up as a Tec Slam ascendancy and people are going to be disappointed.

[lament dagger]

Yea

You need another source of Endurance charge to properly sustain it

[viscid chasm]

Kind of a PITA because I want to play TecSlam but also want to make use of the reworked ascendancies. Jugg is just too boring with no changes even if it's effective.

[sage arch]

Ngamahu's Cyclone is an option too

[violet nymph]

just use warlord's mark lol

ez sustain

swap to flammability for bosses if need be

[viscid chasm]

No sustain where it matters though, single target. No charge generation is difficult when clearing.

[sage arch]

leap slam + end charge on stun

[violet nymph]

for bosses that's not gonna work lol

i'd actually suggest putting ECOMS in your 6link in that context

[viscid chasm]

Yeah, I don't see stunning bosses with a leap slam

[violet nymph]

since stun will be easier for melee

[viscid chasm]

How likely is stunning something like guardians though? Can't say I've every paid much attention to it.

[quaint sentinel]

I was theorizing a molten strike chieftain

Just have the endurance charges for general tankiness

Still figuring out how to make it go fast tho

[viscid chasm]

I probably need to give up on it and just play another skill.

[sage arch]

almost everytime we'll have additional mobs to sustain end charges tho, but guardians might be stressful, juggs will be still superior to chiefs for tecslam

[viscid chasm]

That's what I was thinking. Kind of a bummer.

[wild arch]

Here's an idea

Viper strike pathfinder

Stack up loads of fast poisons and let the big one run wild

[wispy crest]

Here is an idea.
Wil striker BERSERKER MAXIMUM ATTACK SPEED muhahah cough cough

[quaint sentinel]

Flicker berserker

[wispy crest]

Gachibass intensifies

[chrome copper]

Cpl hours til patch notes?

[true bridge]

Could always use flame dash as your movement skill for some extra charges and maybe molten shell too

As chief

[quaint sentinel]

@chrome copper they said late today nzt, so prob 7-9 hours from now

[languid path]

rumor has it that

everytime someone asks for patch note

[chrome copper]

Thanks much

[languid path]

it's delayed by 1 hr

[chrome copper]

Well fml lol

[languid path]

it's ok, there were many before you I'm pretty sure patch note ain't coming out until the universe collapse on itself

[chrome copper]

Makes sense

Cuz rngesus hates me

[viscid chasm]

Who do you guys think will end up being the Cyclone metascendancy? Slayer seems good but 20% more AS and MS from Glad could make up a lot of ground.

[dusty umbra]

Blood and Sand bladestorm might be also usable tbh

[quaint sentinel]

Berserker cyclone should be pretty good I think

[violet nymph]

@viscid chasm depends. I think pure phys cyclone zerker
Basically all the coc cyclones will be slayer

[junior talon]

i call champ

[violet nymph]

Cospri with an 8% base crit instead of 5. Is HUGE

especially for coc

[viscid chasm]

Berserker? I hadn't really considered it a contender. Why zerker?

[junior talon]

it got changed

[dusty umbra]

@violet nymph to be fair cospri assasins already could hit close to 100 cyclone crit chance

[junior talon]

not trash anymore :))

[viscid chasm]

I'm aware of the changes, just don't think it offers more for Cyclone than others

[junior talon]

true assassin is a good point

[dusty umbra]

and 100 on spell your cocing

[summer magnet]

zerker with 40% more attack speed :3

[violet nymph]

But also weapon range and more dmg to bosses @dusty umbra

[summer magnet]

nah for cyclone it doesn't

[viscid chasm]

You'll never maintain 40% AS from zerker

[junior talon]

hold my beer

[summer magnet]

ofc you will

blitz will be easy to maintain

[frail holly]

You most certainly will

[junior talon]

never is a strong word

[violet nymph]

Blitz will be rather easy to upkeep

Especially if you are cyclone

[summer magnet]

cyclone doesn't hit twice anymore

[dusty umbra]

@violet nymph I played cospris coc cyclone icenova frostbolt assasin earlier this league

[viscid chasm]

Never is too extreme, but I don't think it will be super simple.

[dusty umbra]

range for that build didn't really matter for example (on cyclone itself)

[summer magnet]

you gain 1 charge for 1 crit

[odd steeple]

I think it will drop fairly often in maps unless it's specifically Toxic Sewers or Belfry or something straight and easy

[violet nymph]

@summer magnet has 200%more atksp its mechanically the same

[frail holly]

Isn't it a 5 sec duration?

[junior talon]

how good of a starter is coc cyclone anyway

[viscid chasm]

Yeah

[summer magnet]

yeah 5 sec but it refreshes just like frenzy charges

[frail holly]

Do the stacks refresh duration or no?

ok

[junior talon]

instead of like any other cyclone build

[viscid chasm]

Do they for sure refresh?

[summer magnet]

well

[violet nymph]

Yes

[summer magnet]

every other charge does

[odd steeple]

Unless these charges behave differently than every other charge, yes they will

[summer magnet]

would be weird if not

[dusty umbra]

@junior talon early levels might be annoying on starter gear, around 40ish gets way easier

due to some uniques

[summer magnet]

especially considering only lasting 5s

[viscid chasm]

True. For some reason I was assuming they wouldn't

[junior talon]

hmm ok

[plush zealot]

Should I farm endgame content (shaper/Uber elder) and farm t15 volcano or should I go full MF and farm t10 shaped marshes on league start

[viscid chasm]

Max charges should be fine then

[dusty umbra]

Just a personal experience

[odd steeple]

I mean league starting though you won't have the uniques

[summer magnet]

now i need to shat

[junior talon]

endgame all da way

[odd steeple]

I'd just selfcast til you can get cospris

[summer magnet]

💩

[dusty umbra]

@odd steeple those uniques that coc usually uses i doubt they will be much used here either

and a chaos or two for unique or two ain't hard to come by the time you reach 40

[odd steeple]

Which are you talking about?

[junior talon]

@dusty umbra which ones for example

[dusty umbra]

uhhh lemme find a build guide i played earlier this league since i haven't been playing for last few weeks at all

[frail holly]

Just go slayer for free 8% crit off wep

for leaguestart CoC

[dusty umbra]

this was for cyclone ice nova frostbolt coc

[summer magnet]

path notes are literally 2-4 hours away

[junior talon]

@frail holly or asssassin for dat double crit

[summer magnet]

just wait for patch notes lol

[junior talon]

oh yikes

[placid grotto]

Did GGG ever say why patch notes are delayed? YOLO merges?

[copper kernel]

wdym delayed

[dusty umbra]

Widowmaker is pretty good QoL for leveling

[copper kernel]

they never gave a timer

[dusty umbra]

for that build

[frail holly]

@junior talon My point was that you can get away with a shit wep on Slayer

But yeh ass is also good

[summer magnet]

delayed?

[frail holly]

Might be better with rly good gear

[summer magnet]

they are on schedule?

[junior talon]

ass ;)))

ass > slayer endgame imo

[placid grotto]

Typically, they've been at about 2pm PST except 3.5 and 3.6

[odd steeple]

The thing that makes Assassin amazing for starting off CoC is the 100% more crit chance against enemies on full life

[junior talon]

earlygame probably other way around

[placid grotto]

I believe Bex said they'll be out late tonight

[odd steeple]

So you can do like white monsters with 50% crit chance and it works fine

[frail holly]

It's defo better for clear

[copper kernel]

well its early morning for nz

[summer magnet]

yup

well

not even morning yet

well

if you consider 4am morning i guess it is

[copper kernel]

its 8 am

[placid grotto]

Should be 8am now

[frail holly]

nice edit

[summer magnet]

that doesn't fit my time schedule

[placid grotto]

Fat fingers

[summer magnet]

they are 12 hours ahead or behind me

and im it's 22 here xD

[frail holly]

Just don't sleep 4head

[odd steeple]

It's like an order of magnitude easier to cap 100% crit on assassin which makes it better early game, late game you can invest enough to give most classes 100% crit and then it opens up other CoC options

[summer magnet]

ow yeah it's 8:14 NZ

hmm

[placid grotto]

Though I'm surprised they don't have them already written if they're known stable

[summer magnet]

finishing touches

they are still fine tuning

[wispy cosmos]

plus building hype 😃

[wide totem]

last minute changes is a thing

[placid grotto]

Wouldn't surprise me

[wide totem]

betrayal had literal "last second changes"

[placid grotto]

I am amazed they let that happen

[frail holly]

I don't remember anything major in Betrayal?

[placid grotto]

But at the same time not

[wide totem]

It was just some numbers that was altered

[odd steeple]

They've been saying for a while that the melee changes are huge and they're way behind on them, probably scrambling on gems and stuff

[wide totem]

yeah

[odd steeple]

But legion has been done for a while

[viscid chasm]

Last second changes: We've had to cancel Legion league and will be running Synthesis for an additional 3 months.

[wide totem]

legion mechanics yeah

[placid grotto]

Glitch League Best League

Though speaking of last minute changes, how much is Proliferation GGG wanting melee meta vs making the game playable on console

And the follow-up: Which is worse

[viscid chasm]

The latter would definitely be worse. Prolif in general is something melee could take advantage of anyway

[deft brook]

occultist is dead

[viscid chasm]

It's weaker but fine. Still plenty of reason to pick it over Trickster for certain builds.

[deft brook]

occultist olay one es not

[placid grotto]

Lol right

[Citation Needed]

What does Occultist take though, Bastion (Stun/ES), Beacon, Frigid Wake (Freeze), and Forbidden Power?

[quaint sentinel]

People see one nerf "X IS DEAD RIP LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE."

[placid grotto]

I still think if the Manifesto is true, Occultist got buffed

[quaint sentinel]

Have to wait for patch notes before saying anything I think

[placid grotto]

Vile Bastion as a 1-pointer would be huge

Even if you lose the 100 ES from WW

[quaint sentinel]

It'll be real interesting with the ES changes on the tree

[dusty umbra]

Cyclone gem preview released - https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/bwtvhh/heres_a_preview_of_cyclone_in_path_of_exile_legion/

[odd steeple]

300%

so, triple instead of double?

this is a buff

[summer magnet]

it just says 300% of base

[odd steeple]

yes, it used to do 2 hits per attack

which I think is basically 200% of base

[summer magnet]

hmm

[native osprey]

I seem to recall I said the flay phys would be more than an abyssus

[summer magnet]

that added phys damage tho

[native osprey]

I'll take one 'you were right' thanks

[summer magnet]

go away ferrit! you aint getting nothing! 😄

[native osprey]

[summer magnet]

you prob had that pic for a week!

cheater

[odd steeple]

it's about 50% of VDS

maybe more like 60%?

[summer magnet]

but

is thoose 300% a more or increased?

[odd steeple]

They've said there's some variation in gems so who knows what's normal

neither, it's 3x base

you can think of it like 200% more if you want

[summer magnet]

so basicly 1 x 3

since i assume base is 1?

[dusty cove]

oh my physical tag for infused channeling?

[odd steeple]

well, base is whatever your weapon is

yep infused physical sexiness

10% less physical damage taken

❤

[dusty cove]

pair it with some like chieftain and another phys as ele reduction and yea....

[odd steeple]

it's a less multiplier

it kinda is at its worst when combined with phys as ele

[dusty cove]

Depends on what order they get applied

[odd steeple]

"taken as" applies before modifiers to damage taken

[viscid chasm]

Hmm, slayer or trickster cyclone will be juicy

[violet nymph]

Zerker pure phys cyclone

Lets go

[dusty umbra]

We really need that new skill wheel

[viscid chasm]

Zerker seems good too.

I wish raider'd been buffed. I want to be super fast

[idle hull]

Zerker is the super fast ascendancy

[viscid chasm]

Not for movement unless I'm forgetting something

[idle hull]

Ehhh it has 30% movement speed too

So its not slow for movement either

[violet nymph]

Also depends on if cyclone gets the atkspeed affecting movement thing with it

Cuz if it does, zerker could be fucking stupid fast

[viscid chasm]

Ah, the ms is with the rage nodes. Not a fan of those generally

[violet nymph]

Since atk speed does affect movement skills speed

[idle hull]

Berserker is pointless if you arent going rage, those are the strongest nodes in the entire game

[violet nymph]

Blitz + rage nodes are the best by far for it.

[idle hull]

The rage nodes are even stronger than the blitz nodes

Like it's absurd

[viscid chasm]

I'm not debating that, I just said I didn't like them.

[violet nymph]

Its best combined

@idle hull

[idle hull]

ofc ^

[violet nymph]

Cuz the 75% inc attack speed is basically fuel for blitz

Need to hit faster

[idle hull]

Think of how fast you'd be with dual 2.0 foils

mother of god

[viscid chasm]

I don't think AS will modify the speed you move with cyclone.

[idle hull]

No wonder they nerfed abyssal jewels, it would have been obscene with zerker.

It wont

[violet nymph]

Or i could just have a 2h with 40% total, impale on it and impale from dread banner

[idle hull]

I'm pretty sure on that

[violet nymph]

Also if we get more impale on tree like its hinted at. Then pure physical cyclone with impale will be nutty

[dusty cove]

think frost blades 21 weapon range is gonna get changed?

[violet nymph]

Also forgot to mention: manacost 2.

[idle hull]

mana is never an issue anyways, so whatever

lol

[violet nymph]

One little bit of mgoh will be able to sustain 50aps cyclones

[idle hull]

Except for spell casters now

[violet nymph]

[idle hull]

Give patch notes, give passive tree

[violet nymph]

But i mean if you were draining 20+ per attack, then cyclone would need some investment. Now i can just use like a 5mgoh mod and be good with infinite aps

[idle hull]

Not really, getting a single mana leech from somewhere is enough to sustain practically every melee skill in the game

[warm cedar]

Ayo, does someone have a link for the Cyclone stat changes? Will the area still be 2+weapon range? Seemed a bit larger in the video.

[violet nymph]

@warm cedar check major news

[warm cedar]

Sweeeet ❤

[violet nymph]

@idle hull mana leech has a rate limit. Meaning more aps it cant keep up

[wide totem]

mana on hit?

[idle hull]

Then get mgoh on a jewel, what more do u want

reeee

[violet nymph]

That's why i said, i can just get a single 5mgoh and be fine

Forever

[idle hull]

Im willing to bet you'd also be fine with a single leech source too

[violet nymph]

One affix for permanent solution

[idle hull]

But eh

[warm cedar]

Oh that cyclone change is beautiful!

[violet nymph]

@warm cedar it's glorious

[idle hull]

Its time to cyclone the world

What if....what if vaal cyclone is also op?

[warm cedar]

Am planning a Cyclone + CWC + BV + Increased AOE (With AOE nodes on the skill tree) into a dual Mjolnir Arc setup 😂 What do you guys think? :3

Mjolnir has been so out of meta for a while now, would love to build something that is viable for endgame 😄

[violet nymph]

Im doing pure phys cyclone zerker

[warm cedar]

nice 😄

[idle hull]

Ill be doing dual foils zerker cyclone

[warm cedar]

Gonna see soooo many cyclones 😂

[idle hull]

Well, you wont be seeing me, ill be moving at the speed of light

[warm cedar]

😂

[violet nymph]

Why not. Its fucking versatile as fuck

It has the most possible builds that are attractive

[warm cedar]

Yeah, the biggest OMG part of the cyclone change in my opinion is the channelling flag ❤

SOOOOO excited about that 😄

[violet nymph]

The channel tag isnt even that crazy
Altho makes uber lab trivial thanks to the 16% reduced physical dmg

[idle hull]

I wanna theorycraft alrdy, but I really need the tree changes to do that

[warm cedar]

Think we'll see a path of building update for legion before the legion release?

[idle hull]

Nah

[warm cedar]

Yeah same! @idle hull

[violet nymph]

Prob not.

[idle hull]

Openarl is a prisoner

[warm cedar]

😂

[violet nymph]

But the other build tools will

Frost Blades Gladiator

Just wont have dps numbers

Do yall think The dps will be enough

[idle hull]

Single target might struggle a bit

[warm cedar]

No clue, the old cyclone's dps is REALLY low in my path of building :c

[violet nymph]

I Always struggle with single target on Frost blades

Old cyclone also needed a good weapon for dps @warm cedar

[warm cedar]

But 24 AOE units on old cyclone means new cyclone is going to be masssive with this build 😂

[violet nymph]

Especially on raider

[warm cedar]

Ahhhh okay

[idle hull]

You're meant to, it is a clearing skill not a single target skill

[violet nymph]

Thought of going 4l Frost Blades and 6l single target

Also cyclone getting so much flat physical from gem and zerker

But idk what Skill fits

[idle hull]

But just slap a 4l vaal double strike in your build and your single target will be plenty

[warm cedar]

I'm wondering, maybe I should scale spell damage? Since BV and Arc will benefit, and just use cyclone as the initiator.

cyclone to maintain BV stacks and help with the mjol procs

[wide totem]

Yeah vaal ds is so good

[idle hull]

@warm cedar Disintegrator

[warm cedar]

Disintegrator?

[idle hull]

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Disintegrator

[wide totem]

How will that work with channeling?

The debuff

[violet nymph]

6l single target skill + 4l vaal ds

[odd steeple]

the channel tag lets you use Infused Channeling and the Physical Tag makes that a good idea

[violet nymph]

What single target skill should i use tho

Blade flurry?

[warm cedar]

Ooooh interesting, but I want a dual mjol setup with arc and spell echo 😂 I wanna destroy the screen with particles :>

[idle hull]

@violet nymph Frost blades + VDS will be plenty to get you through all but the hardest content.

[violet nymph]

As Long as i can complete all The Maps im happy

Also, whats The usual Setup for Vds

[main ivy]

Does anyone know if the new channeled cyclone will follow the regular crit mechanics? I.E. it checks if it crits on the first hit and then keeps that for the entire channel?

[copper kernel]

it wont

[main ivy]

Do we know for sure or have any confirmation?
Only channeling skill i know that doesn't follow that rule is bladeflurry which checks for crits on each 'pulse'

[copper kernel]

divine ire is the same

[main ivy]

aight well, cheers.

[leaden storm]

storm burst as well

i don't believe is 1 crit per channel

[wild arch]

Double hyaon's fury cleave slayer with wind dancer

[dusty cove]

only skill that is 1 crit per channel is flamebast

[wild arch]

Shit no

The lucky crit one

Not evasion

Dance with death

[violet nymph]

Its time for beyblade league

[wild arch]

Speaking of DwD

Brain rattler with ryslatha's coil is gonna be nuts

[violet nymph]

Also guys. Infused channeling cyclone

16% reduced physical damage taken

[odd steeple]

it's less, not reduced

significantly worse, but still nice

[violet nymph]

Also comes with a 50% more physical damage effectively

39% general and 10% physical

[odd steeple]

Yeah, it's a really good gem just as a more multiplier

and 16% less phys is just solid

[wild arch]

Wait a minute

Look at all that flat phys on cyclone

Then look at facebreakers

[idle hull]

Facebreakers have 4 range though

[odd steeple]

Look at me. Now back to Pilllar of the Caged God

[wild arch]

Sinvicta gladiator

20% more movement speed is exactly what you need to keep the rampage going

[violet nymph]

Also: 16% less dmg + fortify
Cyclone main link will be tanky boi

[wild arch]

Charged dash gladiator is a whole new level of speed

[violet nymph]

Pure physical cyclone will likely trivialize uberlab

Significantly

[patent canyon]

as if it is hard to insta phase izaro now

with anything

[violet nymph]

True. But also makes blunders safer

[sonic saddle]

So uh... That I would be doing Berserker Trypanon CoC cyclone next league wasn't planned but here we are

[violet nymph]

Infused channeling support, fortify support, melee physical damage support, brutality support, (insert whatever here. Im planning on using inc accuracy support just cuz lazy gearing), and cyclone

For pure physical cyclone

[sonic saddle]

protip, use infused channeling for EZ 54%ish more phys damage and 16% LESS DAMAGE TAKEN

🙂

[violet nymph]

Yeah

[leaden storm]

infused channeling is the number one support

[violet nymph]

We already saw it

[leaden storm]

it's stupid

[violet nymph]

Its great

I love it

[leaden storm]

i mean yeah it's great

[sonic saddle]

oh yeah you wrote that first, I'm dumbo

skimmed over it

[violet nymph]

It's only #1 cause wo is #1

And cyclone will be #1

[leaden storm]

i mean it's the nobrainer choice for every channeled skill

[sage arch]

All worb abusers will now play cyclone, here we go again

[violet nymph]

Also 16% less dmg with you also having fortify 20% reduced dmg

Well hopefully the meta is that stale

[idle wedge]

Which was the ascendancy that had direct synergies/boosts to blood and sand stances?

[violet nymph]

Cause i want to play bowslayer

At least cyclone has build diversity in it @sage arch

Cuz coc makes everything viable

[sage arch]

yeah less disgusting than worb, I'm happy with that

[violet nymph]

And cwc makes some non coc things viable

[tiny flint]

Perforate seems interesting

[sonic saddle]

I do wonder how much trypanon will be next league and how much of it is about people sleeping on berserker or not

[tiny flint]

wonder how far it can go

mapping wise

[violet nymph]

Trypanon flicker berserker gonna be amazing

[sonic saddle]

listen

Trypanon CoC berserker

[tiny flint]

Isnt tryphanon a league unique?

[sonic saddle]

perandus

[violet nymph]

Perandus

[tiny flint]

oh right

[midnight phoenix]

It also feels like actual ass to play with

[tiny flint]

its on the map device

[midnight phoenix]

Ppl will realize this pretty fast lul

[violet nymph]

Not with flicker it won't

[midnight phoenix]

Yer it will

[sage arch]

Doesn't it have div card already? can't remember its name

[sonic saddle]

@midnight phoenix have you looked at how much attack speed berserker gets?

[midnight phoenix]

50 less aspd is a shit ton less aspd

[violet nymph]

It'll be way faster than a no-investment oro build

50 reduced btw

[sonic saddle]

Go read new berserker

[midnight phoenix]

Its local

Same as less

U guys can feel free to try it

[warm cedar]

So, need some thoughts

I want something that feels fun and has lots of pretty particles 😄 I usually play some form of ranged or caster, so I'm pretty new to melee, but I want to be inspired by the spells. I usually play pretty off-meta, so min maxing is not suuuper important to me, but I'd love to be able to run T16's smoothly.

My current build idea is an ascendant with slayer and saboteur and a bunch of AOE nodes. Currently sitting at around 5k HP and 5k Armor

I want to run a dual Mjolnir with Arc - Spell Echo - Concentrated Effect on each. Into a Cyclone - CWC - BV - Increased AOE.

Puts me at around 30+ AOE on Cyclone and 31 AOE on Blade Vortex and "Should" Proc 16 Arcs per second.

Realistically looking at around 40k - 50k DPS and pretty cheap with the only costly items being the dual mjolnirs.

Thoughts?

Also calling the above build melee feels wrong 😂

[midnight phoenix]

Why sabo

[warm cedar]

AOE 😂

[violet nymph]

Ew

[warm cedar]

and ele pen

😂

[midnight phoenix]

Also theres some technical things wrong with that build

[violet nymph]

There are gonna be new aoe nodes on the tree

Use them instead

[warm cedar]

Ooooooh wuuuuut? 😮

HELL YEAH

😄

[tiny flint]

Sab is not great for this. Pathfinder would be better

just grind for a dying sun

[midnight phoenix]

Ok so from the top

[warm cedar]

Cause with the setup I have, the new cyclone would sit on 30+ AOE range 😂

[midnight phoenix]

Spell echo does not work with the triggered gems in mjolner

At all

[tiny flint]

mm

[warm cedar]

Awwwww damn

💔

[sonic saddle]

@midnight phoenix just from blitz you get 40% more attack speed, then from rite of ruin you get 75% increased attack speed.. it's gonna be fine

[warm cedar]

I thought it did, thanks @midnight phoenix

[midnight phoenix]

Im not sure why u have conc effect in mjolner, it doesnt work with arc

[tiny flint]

You can put a different gem in ur CwC set up

and trigger it

[warm cedar]

Sorry meant controlled destruction

[tiny flint]

dont people use lighting pen

on mjolner

[warm cedar]

Not sure, never used mjol 😄

and not a lot of new builds that use it

Could swap controlled for lightning pen, and spell echo for more life leech :?

[midnight phoenix]

Also the arcs share a cd even though they are in different mjolners

So all in all u might have some reworking to do

[warm cedar]

;-; Well there goes that build idea.... My dream of 16 arcs per second is down the drain 😂

[midnight phoenix]

Sry my man

[warm cedar]

Rather now than at level 80 😂

Thanks man

[quartz dome]

I am pretty hype for cyclone cwc bv, seeing that physical tag

[copper kernel]

why gimp your setup with cwc tho

[quartz dome]

Some might roll their eyes but I havent really done either yet

[midnight phoenix]

Cyclone cwc bv

[quartz dome]

Cheiftain

[midnight phoenix]

If u havent done either i would strongly recommending just pick one

[quartz dome]

Infinity double stacked fire damage

[midnight phoenix]

Cos either ur cyclone will suck and u waste support gems

Or ur bv will suck and u waste support gems

Or both and u waste ur time

[quartz dome]

I mean wasting time is the point of PoE though

[midnight phoenix]

Oh well if u wanna meme then ignore everything i said

Godspeed to u sir

o7

[quartz dome]

👉 👉

Still I dont think it would be that bad

However disclaimer I never last long enough to meet shaper, map trading is always ass and the drop rate last league was really poor

Regardless, gems that affect both are plentiful

[median wharf]

CoC BV feels a lot smother than normal BV and was a lot stronger than old cyclone, i imagine CwC BV would feel just as nice as CoC if not even better at lower gear levels, but with melee buffs it might end up not being stonger than new cyclone

[midnight phoenix]

CWC stacks more than twice as slow as coc

Like if u have the choice of stand casting bv at 0.25 cast speed

[median wharf]

once you are stacked that really doesnt matter

[midnight phoenix]

Or cwc bv at 0.35 cast speed

Its not rocket surgery

[median wharf]

once you get to 10 stacks its really easy to never drop below 8 the whole map

[midnight phoenix]

If ur trigger skill works 7 times a second rather than 3 i imagine that is true

In any case tho if u want the speed clear never stop playstyle then u would now want to play cyclone

[quartz dome]

I just stack movespeed qnd never stop cycloning

Prob solved

[turbid quartz]

ew

[midnight phoenix]

Yer then may as well just 6l a cyclone and hit things to death

[turbid quartz]

i'm part of the anti-cyclone faction.

we will stand in clear defiance to cyclone!