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lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:50 AM

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there are so many uniques that were one used and now are useless

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Yeah would be really fun to have 100% chaos conversion I think

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 AM

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I am sure Trickster will fine a way to exploit it some how lol

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 AM

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imaple might be a thing

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 AM

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there is something inherently messed up with Chaos conversion tho

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 AM

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and Lightning->Chaos dodges all the round-tripping nonsense

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 AM

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with ruthless+multistrike procs

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 AM

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why?

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 AM

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🤔

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 AM

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I mean why Impale specifically

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 AM

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I assume because they're buffing passives for it

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no way to know yet

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:51 AM

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you cant use multistrike with those impale skills btw

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:52 AM

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who says u need to have impale skills to do impale

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:52 AM

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If you can get Impale to 100% it's a 50% more multiplier on paper, before buffs

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:52 AM

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well you need some investment then

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you need to be Champion + use Dread Banner

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:53 AM

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And if they're adding a pure phys aura and support so that pure phys is competitive with conversion

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:53 AM

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I mean I hope Impale is good

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would make Champion worth using

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:53 AM

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does bloodmagic still have that life nodes behind?

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:53 AM

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we dont know yet

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:53 AM

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That's the real reason impale is bad, I think, is just because it only works on the phys part of your damage

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and stuff like hatred and atziri's promise and xoph's blood etc is always better than that as is

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:53 AM

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they are adding a pure physical flat aura?

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holy shit about time

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god damn it that makes mana reservation even more difficult

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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herald of purity

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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No idea what type of buff to pure phys

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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but though

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20% dmg buff on 2hs

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about there

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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I like what they've done for mana reservation skills

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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seems really nice

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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it used to be only ele attacks that really benefited from them

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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along with zerker's attack speed

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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your crazy clueless

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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now auras are good on EVERYONE

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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They just nerfed aurabots to hell

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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so everyone needs to make hard choices

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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good

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Not talking about aurabots

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:55 AM

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who is really sad about aurabots being nerfed

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:55 AM

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You are pretty much forced to hybrid with super expensive curses

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:55 AM

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tbh im thinking of going bloodmagic and the hp nodes behind along with free banner in 3.7

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Everyone that plays competitively or with friends 😛

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:55 AM

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looks really good for pure phy

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:55 AM

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if its competitive its teh same for everyone

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:55 AM

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I mean not necessarily, you can get to literal 0% auras with jewel corruptions

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:55 AM

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for my build at least

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:55 AM

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and with friends, aurabots are still gerat

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great*

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just less busted

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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I did life-based aurabot a while back, and hybrid

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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also party play in PoE is still a massive joke

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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cursebots still busted

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lol

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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aurabots are now gonna be multi mirror affairs

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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those still work

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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armour guardian

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molten shell

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no more 1hits

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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you mean mana guardian?

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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same thing

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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like 9 auras on mana, 3 on Prism Guardian, hybrid with Victario's chest armor

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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how they hell have they not nerfed mana guardian yet

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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that's a cheap and viable aurabot

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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wasnt sure, never heard of it called armor guard lol

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:56 AM

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not as strong, but it's fine

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:57 AM

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maybe this league

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anyways, can't shattering steel use ms?

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:57 AM

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no

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:57 AM

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mana guard only works really well with a super geared person, and with HH nerf ehh

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:57 AM

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its only for Melee skills

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:57 AM

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well mana guard as solo aura

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:57 AM

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I don't know how important Melee skills will be though

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There's like 5 new attack supports

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err how important Multistrike will be

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:58 AM

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multistrike ppl play for speed

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with the double damage at the end, that might be big for Berserker

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Why Zerker specifically?

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:58 AM

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highest dps potential now

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:58 AM

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faster attack speed and its stacking flat damage sources

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which makes double damage even better for it

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since you will be hitting it more often

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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beserker should be the highest dps choice

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Oh sure, more speed = faster Blitz buildup

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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for sure

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Attack speed lets you get the multistrike damage off easier and zerker is best source

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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^

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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between multi strike, relentless, and triple dmg rage

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*double dmg

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or whatever it is

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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but will

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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and mass aspd

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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before Multistrike with Berserker was meh because it wasnt adding more damage

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now it is

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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kinda sad they nerfed hoa, was gonna try a psn cyclone hoa build lol

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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hoa was busted

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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yeah i agree

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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no effort

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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I mean Multistrike was always like a 40% more multiplier

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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double dmg and multistrike able to proc together

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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HoA might still be great who knows

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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could do anything

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Hoag was busted

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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yeah depends how much the nerf lol

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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wouldnt have been a 40% more multi if used with Berserker

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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I don't see how it's damage applications have changed

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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now it might be even better than old MS

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for BErserker

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Why not, Dahbomb?

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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because at some point

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stacking more attack speed

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doesnt give more DPS

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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If it was unchanged it would be even MORE viable

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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is there a softcap/hardcap on as?

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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not for Berseker

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since they are fast enough

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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will double dmg and multistrike double dmg proc together or is it just one entity

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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unless you are doing on hit stuff

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Multistrike is a more multi to attack speed

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It's ALWAYS good, ESPECIALLY if stacking attack speed/lgoh

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:01 AM

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but Berserker already has more multi to attack speed is what I am saying

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so its not multi over that

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Right, so it makes synergies even stronger

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:01 AM

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its great for other classes tho

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:01 AM

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whichmakes blitz looks better than carnage

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:01 AM

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tho now MS is great for anyone

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Im kinda scared of the storm brand nerf, Im hoping they lean more towards the top end gameplay and not lvling gameplay or imma have to start practicing something else lol

vital kite Jun 4, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Do we know if SRS is affected by the melee change?

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:01 AM

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?? Blitz more multi + Multistrike more multi stack great

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:02 AM

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top end game play Storm Bran dis fine

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:02 AM

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just like Melee Phys more multi and Brutality more multi stack great

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:02 AM

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planning to do that

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:02 AM

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wouldnt it be additive with each other since they are both more attack speed?

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i thought thats how it worked

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:02 AM

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No, that's what "more" means -- multiplicative with everything

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:02 AM

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like how "take more damage" is additive with each other

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so if you have two sources of take more damage

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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it's not "take more damage" though, it's "take increased damage"

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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i mean it makes multistrike even better because u get to deal double dmg more

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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pure phys

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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with the amount of aspd

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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might actually be the bomb .com

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which means i'll just tack on some extra bleed for extra dps

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since it's free

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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which might make imaple acutally a good debuff for pure phy

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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yo wheres the best place to make suggestions to ggg?

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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impale's actually mathmatically ok

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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make an Angry thread

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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if you can get to 100% chance to impale

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that's the issue though

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i hope they add more ways to get impale chance

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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doesn't matter, extra dmg, free flags

jade cliff Jun 4, 2019, 5:03 AM

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lol not even an angry thread, more a pob rework to make it got tier

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:04 AM

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if u use bloodmagic

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:04 AM

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they prob are on the tree

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I would imagine

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Yeah, like the Gladiator impale node is actually great if you can get 100% chance

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Impale is good when pure physical is good. With 50% its rather good

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Because it scales flat phys with the number of impales

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:04 AM

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it scales exponentially as you get higher chance to impale

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if you could somehow get like EQ 100% chance to impale

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gg

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:04 AM

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making crafted rares not too bad

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:04 AM

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It's not exponential exactly

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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doesnt Impale get stronger with more attack speed?

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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the impale + phy % dmg craft

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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since you can have more instances of impales?

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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it's some weird scaling i know

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Something to note about impale crafts, they are local just saying

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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No, just chance to impale

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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it's def not linear though

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more chance to impale = srsly more dmg

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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@twin rampart people theory crafted that at one point, but then they released it and it's just reflected damage after the hit

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it was pre-patch speculation

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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if imaple nodes were to be near my tree,im probably getting that

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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The 40% chance to impale craft is local meaning a 2h 6l is best

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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it's still good

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:05 AM

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but it doesn't actually count for future impales

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:06 AM

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if not i would just ignore it

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:06 AM

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it's just a straight 50% multiplier on phys you deal

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no exponentiation

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:06 AM

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oh yeah that's right

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i forgot

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:06 AM

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zerker

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so good

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:06 AM

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but you have to have 100% chance for it to be 50% or something like that

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otherwise it's not that good

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:06 AM

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so iof you have 100% impale its like a 50% more damage multiplier?

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thats a heavy investment tright there

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:06 AM

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yeah

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it's really hard to get it up that high

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:06 AM

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or u could just get some for extra dmg

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on zerker

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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they need more support on tree or support gems to make it so

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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probably gonna add chance to impale gem

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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It scales linearly with chance, except that Champion wants you to actual sustain multiple impales on the target

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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prob

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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zerker blood magic

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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or maybe that new aura

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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You can get 70% with champion easily. The 30% chance to impale after is harder

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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shattering steel pure phys champ was actually pretty good

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tbh

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i did it, was solid as fuck

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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shattering steel ele was also good

minor jungle Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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on the other hand

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Is that with Dread Banner placed, ZetaKE?

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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ppl uses it for the shotgun

minor jungle Jun 4, 2019, 5:07 AM

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lancing steel was a disappointment

twin rampart Jun 4, 2019, 5:08 AM

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dread banner placed should push you to 100%

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i still don't know how the fucking quality works on that banner btw

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they never actually explain

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:08 AM

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it took ppl half a league to figure out Shattering Steel

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when ppl figured out the Fork interaction

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:08 AM

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the Fork thing?

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:08 AM

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wanted to try https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2322853

Path of Exile

Forum - Scion - [3.5]🌟The BEST Shattering Steel DPS on Betrayal...

Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.

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had the sword drop for me

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:09 AM

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yea Fork allows shattering steel to shotgun

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:09 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obM2edjPyRg&feature=youtu.be

YouTube

Alessio Bove

[3.5] The Best Paradoxica Shattering Steel build, Demolition of th...

♦ Uber Atziri run 0:08 ♦ Architect 2:25 ♦ Guardians 3:01 ♦ Shaper 3:17 ♦ Uber Elder 3:32 ♦ Thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2322853

▶ Play video

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abyss jewel stacking

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:09 AM

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@odd steeple sorry didd math, 60% without dread banner active with just craft and champ

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:09 AM

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but not its nerfed feelsbad

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now*

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Just by the title there I'm betting it got busted by Unnatural Instinct nerfs 😛

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:10 AM

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it does

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also Abyss Jewel stacking

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with Paradoxica

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so this build is like hugely nerfed in next patch lol

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:10 AM

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it doesn't use unnatural

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:10 AM

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it says so in the items

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Also fork doesnt let it shotgun now iirc

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:10 AM

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really?

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when did they change that?

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:10 AM

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3.6

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If i remember correctly

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:11 AM

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rip then

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that sucks then

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one of the few interesting applciations of Fork

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:11 AM

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If that was still there the skill would have been fine this league. They should just give it back

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Lol, 75% of Shattering Steel builds on poe.ninja missed the memo then

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Fixed a bug which caused Shattering Steel to only ever use the mainhand weapon.

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only saw this

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in 3.6

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:13 AM

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I just realized Paradoxica plus Berserker

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loool

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somehow it was on back of my mind

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Looks like its actually still there.

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Why Zerker exactly?

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:13 AM

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because Zerker is going to be stacking a lot of flats

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Isn't Paradoxica + Zerker kinda anti-synergistic? because you waste the 12% Double Damage chance on the rage node

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:13 AM

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and has ton fo attack speed

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:14 AM

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I wonder if Paradoxica will just be bad now

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:15 AM

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acutally might still be good? just not as busted

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:15 AM

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was phys Paradoxica good at any point?

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 5:21 AM

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was mostly busted due to abyss jewels

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so with that nerfed, prob not

eternal turtle Jun 4, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Wow Es nerf spell nerfs abyss jewel nerf what is going to be good except melee?

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 5:23 AM

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most of the nerfed things should still be good

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we'll have to see the numbers

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:24 AM

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Well, Elementalist is certainly dumpstered (except golementalist). The others can just be numbers things, sure.

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 5:24 AM

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yeah that's true

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:24 AM

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I'm waiting for them to drop the news that Ghost Shrouds are one per 5 seconds or something.

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Elementalist shock nerf is the only thing that confuses me

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just kills the class for no reason

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noncrit casters have plenty of alternatives at least

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:25 AM

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I think they don't like having a no-drawback 20-50% more multiplier on a single node I guess?

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(depending on investment)

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 5:26 AM

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it's basically all the class had though 😦

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Like, the elementalist support shockbot that people ran in 4s was pretty silly

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Literally a blank ascendancy + 50% shocks 😛

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 5:26 AM

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I'd understand nerfing that and giving power back elsewhere

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but doesn't sound like that's happening

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:27 AM

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Yeah, like making some of the 2-pointers worthwhile would have been cool.

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The only reason Shaper of Desolation was cool was because of the prolif thing

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I wonder if Elemental Proliferation support is going bye bye? and if you can just drop a support from HoI and from Winter Orb and make the chain work again anyways

wet plaza Jun 4, 2019, 5:31 AM

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@silver kettle yeah it's kinda shitty to just remove the class like this

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Imagine people following older elementalist builds now and theyre basically not getting anything out of it now

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Well, for builds that use UI gem, what should they do instead since the nerf?

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:33 AM

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"Ooh look, the monster exploded in a pretty blue color, this must be why this is 'The Ultimate T16 Clearspeed Elementalist'"

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UI gem?

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:34 AM

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unnatural instinct

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:34 AM

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Oh. You respec out of Scion to Zerker.

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:35 AM

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builds.

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:35 AM

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its time for me

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to do

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greedf's embrace flicker mf

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Your YouTube video will be 30% shorter, but require 5x more takes to get it deathless.

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:35 AM

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facepalm

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Ok guys so

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The question for me is

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New blood magic keystone on generic attack build

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Yea nay

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Maybe it's good on Champion?

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Free aura + free banner

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Alternatively

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New blood magic keystone on glad hoag

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Yea nay

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:38 AM

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hoag isn't an aura

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Did it say aura

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:38 AM

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yeah, non-banner aura

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 5:38 AM

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I thought it said non banner reservation

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I'll go have a look

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Ah shit ur right

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Oh well

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Back to generic attack build blood magic

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I think its legit

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35 life for 4 points is a shit ton of life

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Are there any auras that get substantial benefits from supports?

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 5:40 AM

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And if i only give up like 1 herald worth of dmg instead of 1 herald plus 50% aura

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And i can actually use a watcher as a result

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Sounds hype

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Uh wrath can use empower

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So can grace technically

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:42 AM

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I mean they all can use Empower

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 5:42 AM

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except I can't use herald = no herald mtx

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that keystone is so aids

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 5:43 AM

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fuck me

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i realised bloodmagic = no shatter porc

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porcupines

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:44 AM

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No herald = nty

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I herald MTX is worth more than blood magic will ever be

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Can still phys explode or Pyre explode

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Na u can still hatred for shatter

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That works fine

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 5:44 AM

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but it's not pretty

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muh pixels

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 5:44 AM

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U dont need a mtx to not die to porcupines lul

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:45 AM

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Celestial MTX and Automation MTX heralds

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 5:45 AM

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imagine playing flickerstrike with no herald mtx

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I would die

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 5:45 AM

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Well yeah random deaths are part of flicker

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:45 AM

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At this point im too invested in heralds

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Mainly cuz they are one of the best visual feedback in the game

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I kill shit and they explode into MTX

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Herald of Ash with MTX vs without MTX is like, i cant tell its doing anything due to the fact that it visually gets hidden by everything going on

eternal turtle Jun 4, 2019, 5:49 AM

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I guess I’m never getting my HH now

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Well, for builds that use UI gem, what should they do instead since the nerf?

eternal turtle Jun 4, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Wonder why they making it more rare

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:51 AM

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because it's that good

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:52 AM

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That and too many existing :^)

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 5:52 AM

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might of the meek

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Need harder to get

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 5:52 AM

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well actually, nothing really

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2xmeek is good enough

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:52 AM

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wym 2 meek?

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swap ui and the scion tree area for meek? lul

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 5:53 AM

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no, one meek on the left and one meek on the bottom

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ignore the right

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'cause it's fucking accuracy

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:53 AM

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of the scion tree?

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 5:53 AM

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or maybe get the accuracy anyway

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:53 AM

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so we prolly gotta grab the scion tree shit now?

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 5:53 AM

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and get multi somewhere else

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:55 AM

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This speculation is all a bit premature I think. What will you do with your jewel sockets now? Well why not try one of the 5 factions of Jewels, each with their own randomly seeded variety of passive tree-affecting buffs

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I was being a bit serious about the zerker thing, the right thing to do for high-investment scion attack builds is probably to build zerker or slayer and take fewer jewel sockets with a more powerful ascendancy

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:56 AM

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again. for builds that use it.

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doeasn't mean you're a scion

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you can be a windripper build for example

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and use the nodes

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or frost blades

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:56 AM

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You're saying where is the best place to put your 1 limited UI jewel?

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:57 AM

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yes, or if to avoid it in general

low kindle Jun 4, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Ui is not a build enabling jewel

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:57 AM

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SINCE it got nerfed hard

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with the accuracy

low kindle Jun 4, 2019, 5:57 AM

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So you go with what is the best for you

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:57 AM

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it was actually super important due to the free crit

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plus as/etc

low kindle Jun 4, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Yes but that's not build enabling

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Basically removing the jewel

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i calculated in my build

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removes around 1mil dps

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:58 AM

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I'd think it goes in the same place pretty well, it still gives a lot of attack speed and accuracy and movement speed

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Maybe there's another good spot but you'd have to research the whole tree basically

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:59 AM

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if i'm pushing 6.7mil dps and it removes 1mil dps I'd call that build enabling.

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cuz that's a huge chunk lol

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 5:59 AM

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Does your build not work with 45% less crit multi?

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 5:59 AM

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it's not just that, it's the free crit

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for a gem slot.

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 6:00 AM

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enabling

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 6:00 AM

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ofc it frees up 7 talent points

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which could be dropped into more crit nodes

eternal turtle Jun 4, 2019, 6:00 AM

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It’s just too powerful is all but not enabling

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 6:00 AM

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in fact it could be dropped into 2 seperate crit nodes

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but ugh. PepeHands

eternal turtle Jun 4, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Enabling is like blood magic or something major

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 6:00 AM

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I guess it frees me from a 20+ex purchase later on lol

low kindle Jun 4, 2019, 6:01 AM

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It's not gonna be 20ex anymore

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But sure

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 6:01 AM

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well ofc.

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cuz it got the big ol' nerf

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 6:02 AM

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I mean if literally nothing but the meta max DPS build will do, then it counts as enabling

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Because pathing all the way round scion won't be meta I don't think

turbid quartz Jun 4, 2019, 6:03 AM

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i checked all other nodes. No matter what It's a big ass dps loss

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for the points gained

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PepeHands in the chat

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Ya know. I just remembered. Why is everyone complaining about the mana regen removal on warlords mark when they can just be EB MOM which lets you reserve 100% mana anyways and get max value out of mana reservation skills

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 6:04 AM

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I think a lot of casters will be

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Like EB MoM also has es leech to use

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 6:04 AM

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since mana and ES were both gutted

eternal turtle Jun 4, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Cause then you can’t go LL or ES based

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 6:04 AM

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LL already barely existed

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 6:05 AM

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??

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Out of all of the builds anyone ive played with, non of them were LL

eternal turtle Jun 4, 2019, 6:05 AM

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LL was supper good

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Is that because you just didn't want to invest in a 6L shavs?

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Or because LL was actually worse

eternal turtle Jun 4, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Just expensive

odd steeple Jun 4, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I mean with all the power creep these days, 3 auras and 30% more spell damage on a chest armor might not even keep up 😛

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Eternity Shroud is pretty busted

abstract pike Jun 4, 2019, 6:23 AM

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how will melee combat this?? "When you complete 12 challenges, you will not deal damage."

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 6:35 AM

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oh fuck

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multistrike

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on srs

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pepega

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 6:48 AM

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ancestreal totems

glad tusk Jun 4, 2019, 6:49 AM

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Dense Fossils no longer include local armour, evasion or energy shield suffixes. Instead, the fossils will have local item quality as a potential suffix on body armour and shields, with a slightly higher potential value than the craftable modifiers. Other item slots will have new modifiers appropriate to their defences.

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What does this mean? Underground suffixes are gone?

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 6:49 AM

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Yep

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 6:49 AM

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Yup

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 6:56 AM

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I guess spell casters can use like Storm Brand Onslaught Life Leech Mana Leech

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for single target

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boot enchant for mapping

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 6:58 AM

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Or clarity and mana regen or eb

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 6:58 AM

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u could but it would barely leeches anything

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 6:58 AM

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They have options.

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 6:58 AM

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not a meaningful amount by all means

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 6:59 AM

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EB feels like the main option if you need to spam

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 6:59 AM

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man this Nugi Orb of Storm build lol

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 6:59 AM

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mind of the council might be good if u can shock consistently

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:00 AM

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I mean i played a selfcast purifying flame build that didnt use a warlord mark ring that used clarity and regen. And had no problem with mana sustain

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 7:00 AM

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using Chain on Orb of Storm

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 7:00 AM

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Rip elementalist though @native sonnet

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:00 AM

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good for mp sustain with council helm

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 7:00 AM

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And yeah it does depend on your spell

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:00 AM

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at least decent

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haha

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 7:00 AM

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A lot of spells need less investment in mana than people seem to think

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:00 AM

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^^^^

lament dagger Jun 4, 2019, 7:01 AM

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esp some of the channeling skills

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with reduced costs and stuff

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if WO isnt shit ppl can still use that

static token Jun 4, 2019, 7:02 AM

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Eldritch Battery solved all my mana issues a couple of times.

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:03 AM

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Yeah investing in mana problems will take some damage off the top of what spells can do. But do you really need more than 2mil dps to handle things?

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If solving mana problems doesn't kill your build, you really dont have much room to complain. It just requires you to invest.

static token Jun 4, 2019, 7:06 AM

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It's not hard to fix mana problems, but it would really be nice if they brought Mana Leech Support up to modern standards. Compare that to Energy Leech support and there is a lot of room for improvement.

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Im pretty sure they purposely didnt bring it up to par

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Ed cont is going to feel awful as occultist

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Unless you only play with 3 ascendancy points lmao

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Or they add a new point but it doesn't look like it

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Im going to enjoy my pure phys zerker

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Yeah going zerker too

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But as an ed cont afficionado who definitely does NOT want to be playing with profane bloom

I'm kinda miffed

static token Jun 4, 2019, 7:11 AM

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I imagine they are just changing the Occultist node to not be ES.

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But I'll still be playing ED trickster anyway.

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 7:16 AM

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Can anyone tldr the crafting changes?
Is it fair to say rarer to get high es gear n total es cap reduced maybe 10-20%?

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:18 AM

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They made it sound like there will be impale on the tree

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 7:18 AM

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it's harder to craft es gears

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the rolls are still the same

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except on abyss jewels

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:18 AM

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If we have impale chance on tree. Im nutting

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:19 AM

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Also I'm loving the blood magic change

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:19 AM

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based on the manifesto, i do expect impale chance/effect on tree

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maybe even adds x physical dmg per impale or smthg

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 7:20 AM

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flat dmg from tree?

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you crazy

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:20 AM

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If i can get 40% chance impale on tree ill nut. Cuz thats an ez 100% chance

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 7:20 AM

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that crazy

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never gonna happen

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:20 AM

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just tiny bit like less than champion

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:21 AM

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40?

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:21 AM

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champion is 6-12

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maybe just 2-5

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idk ~, wishful thinking

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:22 AM

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40%craft + 40%tree + 20%skill/banner/champ

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:22 AM

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craft?

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u can craft impale chance?

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:22 AM

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Yeah

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Its local impale chance

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:22 AM

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Are you aware of how much the 2-5 will give to facebreakers?

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:22 AM

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on weapons?

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:22 AM

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Yuo @native sonnet

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Yup*

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:23 AM

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oh nice, didnt know that

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wait, i only see 20% on poedb

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Oh right im stupid

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I forgot that when i did the math the first time i forgot its 20 local not 40 global

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Can someone knock me out till patch notes? templarSad

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:24 AM

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hmmmm, even then i need the elder physical mod for my weapon so i cant really craft the ipd/impale

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i hear mr.wall can get the job done for ya

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 7:25 AM

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So es is rarer

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But not lesser in value?

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:25 AM

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it is gonna be lesser

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:25 AM

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🦀 es is dead 🦀

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:25 AM

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less*

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Its both rarer n less? Es crafts

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10-20% less maybe?

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Also at least it comes with inc physical damage @native sonnet

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:26 AM

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i wanted the elder vicious projectile and 134%ipd mod lol

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which is more ipd and +1 link

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Projectile build?

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:27 AM

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They said there are 2 new supports for slower hits

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:27 AM

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yea bow build

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just trying to get better impale chance

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 7:27 AM

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So no changes to bleed/poison then

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Varunastra keeps getting better and better

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Ah, im cyclone zerker

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:27 AM

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zerker here too

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 7:27 AM

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ES assasin here

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:27 AM

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dont think we'll be able to get more than 20% impale chance on tree though

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but even at 40% , it's pretty gucci

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 7:28 AM

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How much can you craft on one handed weapons?

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Waiting till patch notes to decide on the skill slayer here vanity

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 7:28 AM

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20-30%?

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:28 AM

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@fallen tulip 20% its local

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So 1h weapons arent the best

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:29 AM

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wtf why is the impale/ipd same on 2h and 1h

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Cuz local impale, the ipd should be different tho

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Local impale is shit on a 3l

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 7:30 AM

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So you can get 60% chance without champ/ss/that other impale skill

native sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 7:31 AM

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looking at it in game now, same ipd lol

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:32 AM

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20% craft and 20% banner is the only ones you can get rn

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Without champ/shattering steel/ lancing steel

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@fallen tulip

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Im praying for 40% on tree. Hell even if it was a keystone with a downside id take it.

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 7:33 AM

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yea i was just going along with the assumption of 20% chance on tree

abstract pulsar Jun 4, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Legion meme build idea: bladestorm but in sand stance only + saqawal helmet to spawn tournadoes for maximum sand aesthetics

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Now to figure out the ascendancy

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 7:34 AM

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effigon for Hit's cant be evaded

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then any build you want

abstract pulsar Jun 4, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Oh boy effigon + herald of ash could be fun

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Burning sands

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:35 AM

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Berserker for maximum sandstorms

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Wasteland mtx is mandatory

abstract pulsar Jun 4, 2019, 7:35 AM

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Whats the new gladiator node again

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:36 AM

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20% more attack and movement speed from killing stuff

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 7:36 AM

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and you want to stack reduced duration to get out as many tornados as possible

abstract pulsar Jun 4, 2019, 7:36 AM

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sand stance synergy to go fast, nice

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 7:37 AM

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But is the tornado a spell or

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yea

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it's a spell

abstract pulsar Jun 4, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Tornadoes are mostly there for meme

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:37 AM

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The sand tornado? Its an attack

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From blasestorm

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 7:37 AM

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no no

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the helmet tornado

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Ooh

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 7:37 AM

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"You cannot Cast this Spell directly" has this in the description

abstract pulsar Jun 4, 2019, 7:37 AM

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No the tornado from saqawal helmet

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:38 AM

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K

abstract pulsar Jun 4, 2019, 7:39 AM

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Tornado deals phys damage

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So itll scale a bit

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:39 AM

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I just wanna make an edge of madness death knight BlobbleWobble

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So many builds, so little time

abstract pulsar Jun 4, 2019, 7:41 AM

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Edge of madness is such a cool weapon

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I guess with slayer crit now you can make any weapon work

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Channel is T4..

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:47 AM

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I wanna do trypanon zerker so bad

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But it approaches meme levels that shouldn't even be possible

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:50 AM

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@wild arch i mean rather cheap coc

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Tbh

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Since you get stupid atkspeed

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:51 AM

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Yeah, but that's a coc build then

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Speaking of coc

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Ngamahu's slayer is the ultimate coc setup

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The meatballs can coc as well

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Oh boy

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 7:53 AM

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I wonder if CocAndVaalTorture is taken vanity

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Jesus

pine forge Jun 4, 2019, 7:58 AM

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WIll molten burst procs from Ngamahu's Flame count as using a fire skill for the new chiftain node that gives end charges?

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 7:59 AM

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no

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idk

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 7:59 AM

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no

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triggering a skill is not using a skill

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gotta press a button

pine forge Jun 4, 2019, 7:59 AM

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what a shame

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 8:33 AM

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CocAndVaalTorture

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Thats great

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Would you use Cyclone with Ngamahus or what

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Static strike?

dusty cove Jun 4, 2019, 8:36 AM

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"We've changed weapon-specific modifiers on non-abyssal jewels to provide a general damage increase, rather than specifically affecting Physical Damage, so they're now a good alternative to Abyssal jewels for Elemental Attack characters." Did they just buff ele hit?

pine forge Jun 4, 2019, 8:46 AM

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I was thinking about Ngamahus and Sunder. I had a lot of fun playing that a few leagues ago but it doesn't seem like any buffs or reworks will help that build

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 8:46 AM

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well the million general melee buffs will

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and new chieftain is great for it

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 8:48 AM

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sunder isnt the greatest fit for ngamahu that said

pine forge Jun 4, 2019, 8:48 AM

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I'm not sold on new chieftain tbh

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 8:49 AM

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just because the balls wont really fall in the same place as you're sundering

pine forge Jun 4, 2019, 8:49 AM

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yes the ball will spawn from the monster you hit

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 8:49 AM

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also sunder is not a fast hitting skill so struggles to maximize

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 8:49 AM

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i love balls

pine forge Jun 4, 2019, 8:49 AM

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and you hit a lot because of the aoe shockwave

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 8:49 AM

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na its too fast

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i tried that in one of the 1 months

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theres an icd on ngamahu

pine forge Jun 4, 2019, 8:50 AM

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i played with it and you spawned a molten brust with every attack on every pack

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 8:50 AM

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yer u get 1 burst

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imo its not really very good compared to other skills like cyclone or even flicker where you might get two or three

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but hey like if ur heart is set on it

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chief is better than it was

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ngamahu the axe itself prolly has better base damage

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and sunder wont be better probably but if u pick a different skill it might have better coverage or other buffs

pine forge Jun 4, 2019, 8:54 AM

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I guess you have to try out cyclone with the new buffs anyway.

dusty cove Jun 4, 2019, 8:55 AM

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idk been thinking ele hit cheiftain lately :X so many things to pick from

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Even if cyclone itself doesnt see buffs. It will see wide use this league

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100%

dusty cove Jun 4, 2019, 8:55 AM

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cyclone got a buff being channeled

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that alone 😄

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Coc and the change in how it controls make it a meta skill this league

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Also accuracy not being a huge deal too

lofty elk Jun 4, 2019, 9:07 AM

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lol... dense fossils are not super common and usually very expensive, and even then it can fuck you over hard.. not really a fan of that change, especially since they already lowered the ES on the tree...

📎 unknown.png

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they really seem to push life based builds this league.

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 9:08 AM

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I mean, when you kill something you gotta make sure it's dead

lofty elk Jun 4, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Oh for sure... Jewel ES values also nerfed.

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 9:08 AM

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step on it and twist really hard

lofty elk Jun 4, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Kick it while its down.

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Honestly, they overreacted way too much imo... the problem was the synthesis crafting and implicits.... which is GONE now.

copper kernel Jun 4, 2019, 9:10 AM

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its not about OP crafting

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its about shifting the meta

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it happens constantly with ggg

lofty elk Jun 4, 2019, 9:11 AM

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and even then only the "top players" where able to actually reach crazy or even "just" very good ES... for the majority of the playerbase it was a nice way to get some ES gear for cheap in comparison

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yea i said above "seems like they wanna push life"

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but i still dont agree with nerfing energy shield THAT hard

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 9:13 AM

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es is so dead it doesn't matter how hard ggg nerf it cadibro

lofty elk Jun 4, 2019, 9:13 AM

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removed quality crafts on some gear / lowered jewel values / lowered ES on tree / nerfed dense fossils / ...

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it needed some nerf, but this is way too harsh 😦

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 9:15 AM

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Its not about nerfing it.

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They dont want it viable

lofty elk Jun 4, 2019, 9:15 AM

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only if you spend 50 ex to gear it moderately well.

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4Head

karmic sphinx Jun 4, 2019, 9:35 AM

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they nerfed blood magic aurabot, sad

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 9:35 AM

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wrong

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so wrong

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they killed aurabots

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they slammed it once then put on reverse and go at it again

karmic sphinx Jun 4, 2019, 9:36 AM

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i was hesitating between aurabot or mana guardian, guess it is mana guardian

violet nymph Jun 4, 2019, 9:36 AM

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No, the kill LL aura botz. Thata it

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 9:42 AM

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If we can get 10k es from the old 15-18k es

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Its fine

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Even a 20% drop is tolerable

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Unless u think final es numbers are gonna b 33-45% lower

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 9:45 AM

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casual players cap out at like 10k

wet plaza Jun 4, 2019, 9:45 AM

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You didn't get to 15 with most builds

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 10:08 AM

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does anyone know if zerker's double dmg to be able to proc with multirstrike 3rd hit that does double damage?

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 10:11 AM

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With heavy strike threshold for double damage

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And a 2h with a double damage craft

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And ruthless support for double damage

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 10:12 AM

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yee

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ruthless too

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 10:12 AM

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Unless they're removing it

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One hit wonder berserker

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 10:12 AM

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one hit?

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zerker is a speedyboi

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 10:13 AM

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Hold up

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Doriyani's fist

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600% damage scaling

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Fistzerker is gonna be so fucking strong

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 10:14 AM

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doryanis and facebreaker will both crawl back into meta

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 10:15 AM

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RIP AND TEAR

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 10:15 AM

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yes

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 10:15 AM

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FIST ME BABY

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 10:16 AM

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Do you think poedb is right about unreleased gems?

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I saw a melee totem support on there

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 10:16 AM

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? can u link

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 10:16 AM

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Not sure how legit that can be

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https://poedb.tw/us/gem.php?c=Unrevealed

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Those are mostly abandoned concepts

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Ancestral blademaster

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 10:18 AM

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They've been in the files for years often

wild arch Jun 4, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Infernal sweep could be a sweep rework?

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It just looks like a mash of infernal blow and sweep tho

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In any case fist berserker sounds crazy

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 10:34 AM

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mash of infernal blow and sweep sounds kinda cool though

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it'd be like "once you have targeted 6 enemies, they all explode causing 6% of their max hp around them as fire damage"

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taking the bad stuff from sweep and infernal blow and giving the good sides of both to each other

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:35 AM

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The Elementalist's Beacon of Ruin notable has been changed, no longer granting proliferation
Elementalist dead now?

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:36 AM

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Ele imouto will endure

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:37 AM

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The Critical Multiplier passives near the Scion starting area provided far too much power through the Unnatural Instinct jewel. They have been changed to Accuracy passives instead.

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What is this balance manifesto

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 10:37 AM

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fuck the casters and ele hit

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 10:38 AM

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ele hit is fine, my 2 scion ele hits never used insinct

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well, 'cause I built EO

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:40 AM

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RIP head Hunter

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Funny how they didnt nerfed the op about trickster

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but rather the defence

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Wich will be still amazing

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 10:41 AM

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headhunter is fine, what's ripping is whoever never got a chance to experience hh

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:42 AM

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Do you think they will nerf Essence drain?
Thay only talked about Soulrend ^^

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:42 AM

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If skill isn't listed

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It likely will not b changed

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

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patchnotes in 20hrs or less

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so who knows

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

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LOL why the nerf soulrend
When i did Shaper on Tabu andg arbo weapon xD

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Occy n ele excitement

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

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With essence drain

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

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maybe it put a cap on how many time contagion can chain

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rip ED

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

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If they do that

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Then the skill is usless

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Because you have half as much dmg as soulrend

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Do hp guys need fossil crafts

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

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for better clear

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Or do they go for unique

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 10:44 AM

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you mean life build?

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most do unique yeah

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:44 AM

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The non es stuff

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 10:44 AM

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'cause if you want life chest it's fairly hard to beat out belly

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Hmm hp fossil not as competitive?

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:44 AM

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You can get a realy strong elder crafted, fossile chestplate

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Guess the hp fossils won't sell too good

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Not like dense

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Elder gear better than shaper gear right

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 10:45 AM

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elder can roll %life and +base crit

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:45 AM

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Same for fossiles

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:45 AM

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Oh so diff affix pools

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:45 AM

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and Jun craft

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then you can get like
+180Life
Base Crit
20% inc max life

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And maim support

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 10:46 AM

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it's fairly expensive to craft tho, so most people just go unique chests

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:46 AM

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Guess not that much demand for fossils this season

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 10:46 AM

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who knows, ES is no longer a thing so maybe the fossils will sell

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crafter gotta craft

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:47 AM

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Nico scarab maybe cheaper..

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:47 AM

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xDDD

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No

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Nico scarab is so expensiv because of mirror fossile and aul

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 10:47 AM

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U can spend 100k sulphite n not hit either

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With dense not being expensive i really hope price drops

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Wonder if es gear will drop in price

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:49 AM

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a bit

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More peopel go melee

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So less people want es

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And es got nerfed

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 10:49 AM

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How are you planning to spend 200 mana on Trickster to get the 6% reduced dmg taken

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:50 AM

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If you cast spells

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or cast a curse

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thay have like 50 base mana cost

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 10:52 AM

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i was hoping to reserve all my mana on trickster

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 10:52 AM

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YEa you can

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Then you just ignore the 6% reduced dmg

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 10:53 AM

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but idk if i want to give up 6%

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yea

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we'll see when the patch notes come

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not like arctic armor/infused channeling and that node from tree don't already give some

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 AM

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aura for pure phys hm

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and it sounds like they might be improving the fortify nodes on tree

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:01 AM

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They will add impale nodes on the tree

west fiber Jun 4, 2019, 11:02 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/ZaqzXSF.png as if they weren't hard enough already

Imgur

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 11:02 AM

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I am very hyped for more impale on tree

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:03 AM

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Same, its one of my favorite mechanics, but so "useless" atm

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If you dont go champion

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 11:03 AM

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yeah. it's mechanically strong, just so hard to get

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:03 AM

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Maybe we will be lucky and have a 60% chance
20% Weapon
20% Tree
20% Banner

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Would be kinda nice

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 11:04 AM

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and anything that buffs pure phys is desperately needed

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screw that I want to be able to reach 100

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:04 AM

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oh wait. i can play melee daggers now

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:04 AM

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xD even then with champion only 80%

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:05 AM

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i love how many things open up with league patches

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 11:05 AM

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80% on tree I can believe 😛

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:05 AM

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Yea like choosing between Trickster and Elemantalist, the choiche is now so easy

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Scion with elemental prolif support on herlads :^)

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 11:07 AM

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80% impale tree = I'm going bow impale

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scourge arrow hype

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 11:07 AM

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very fair

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scourge arrow zerker looks like a great meme btw

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:07 AM

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hm istn only unconverted dmg recorded?

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 11:07 AM

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oh true

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that skill has innate conversion

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rip

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:08 AM

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i also like how they straight up gave warlords mark the zerker leech treatment

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:08 AM

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yes

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 11:08 AM

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it's needed it for a while

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 11:08 AM

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feelssadman

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:08 AM

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it was so annoying being like, oh i guess a warlords ring is optimal again....

silver kettle Jun 4, 2019, 11:08 AM

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it has caused a ton of salt but eh, I'm glad

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even as someone who plays all casters I hated that

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:09 AM

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i wonder how much weaker HoAg is now

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 11:10 AM

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yeah the warlord ring was all or nothing in slot ring for caster

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:10 AM

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mortal conviction... blood magic now less suck? woah

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Mortal Conviction, free Essence worm? XD

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:13 AM

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wait is mortal conviction only on auras and not heralds 🤔

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i think it will work on both so HoAg will be niiiice

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:14 AM

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📎 unknown.png

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:14 AM

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except for not having support auras for it but whatever

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bah

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lol

dusty cove Jun 4, 2019, 11:14 AM

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yes its free

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great buff for the malaci fated hat

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:14 AM

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only 1 aura, but heralds not free

karmic sphinx Jun 4, 2019, 11:15 AM

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they broke blood magic aurabot

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:15 AM

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i guess they did yea

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:15 AM

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Prism guardian prices will go up xD

dusty cove Jun 4, 2019, 11:16 AM

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on the flip side bm attack builds got a free aura templarLul

rigid forge Jun 4, 2019, 11:16 AM

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Something I haven’t seen people talk about, is that you might want to have two movement skills now

gaunt charm Jun 4, 2019, 11:16 AM

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big bonus for casuals, less so for focused builds

rigid forge Jun 4, 2019, 11:16 AM

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one for general travel for high attack speed builds

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and one for actual dodging

karmic sphinx Jun 4, 2019, 11:16 AM

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@dusty cove they already have one free from unique amulets...

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:17 AM

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LOL Auls is expensiv

rigid forge Jun 4, 2019, 11:17 AM

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since your travel skill is most likely not like ‘fresh’ instant, since you’re using it to jump between packs

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Its instant

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The first cast of a travel skill is instant

karmic sphinx Jun 4, 2019, 11:17 AM

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@quiet geyser not as much as building a 17 aura 3 curse and aspect aaurabot

rigid forge Jun 4, 2019, 11:17 AM

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yeah, but when you arrive at a blob of monsters you’ve already used your “first cast"

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so if you travel to a strongbox and see ice nova

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:18 AM

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No ofc not

rigid forge Jun 4, 2019, 11:18 AM

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you might want to use a different skill to travel away

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:18 AM

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but someone said casuals allready have one for free

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or thats what it sounded like

karmic sphinx Jun 4, 2019, 11:22 AM

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so 2 free auras for casuls (just need an ammy and some passives) by destroying a build that needed to sacrifice es, defences and much more currency to run (takes a league to get all the 1% jewels with good es roll on it and they are usually 1ex at bare minimum while it costs 10ex max in standard to get 2 FREE auras)

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:22 AM

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Thats not what i said, but i agree with you

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that a casual can just buy a 8ex item

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No one will every disagree, that they neved supports now

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because having more then 9 auras needed you to go for mortal conviction

zinc lance Jun 4, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Which is dead now

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Removed.

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Or replaced, rather

karmic sphinx Jun 4, 2019, 11:24 AM

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they nerfed aurabot but not guardian, so i guess its fine

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like you nerf a build that boosts damage but has not that much survivability, but you still keep the build that can grant thousands of es and some auras as icing on top of the cake

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wtf geegeegee

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:26 AM

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Just because of empyron? thunkong

karmic sphinx Jun 4, 2019, 11:26 AM

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what do you mean?

gaunt charm Jun 4, 2019, 11:27 AM

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im gonna miss mortal conviction and two ming's hearts for midgame power 😦

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 11:27 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLLq2WvFLAY

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just skip to the end

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xD

karmic sphinx Jun 4, 2019, 11:27 AM

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yeah the 140k es build

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but need a 3 man party with fully optimised gear worth mirrors

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its just a meme

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they don't have damage

fallen tulip Jun 4, 2019, 11:28 AM

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wasnt it on a 1000ex budget

karmic sphinx Jun 4, 2019, 11:29 AM

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well thats what i said, mirrors

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:54 AM

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wait what are you talking about 2 free auras

gaunt charm Jun 4, 2019, 11:55 AM

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i assumed from the unique necklaces for 1, and 1 from the rework, but could be wrong

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free as in no mana cost, not free as in bonus

proven wadi Jun 4, 2019, 11:55 AM

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thats what i assume was meant but im pretty sure its dead wrong. mortal conviction means you can only HAVE one aura

gaunt charm Jun 4, 2019, 11:55 AM

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i suspect you are correct with that

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It is now a keystone that restricts you to only one non-banner Aura skill, but removes the reservation cost.
I take that back, I do not suspect you are right, you are right.

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 11:59 AM

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so all builds get one free aura

gaunt charm Jun 4, 2019, 11:59 AM

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If and only if they take that keystone

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 11:59 AM

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long as they only use one aura

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 12:01 PM

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I mean

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BM builds only

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as it'll be behind BM still afaik

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And going BM isn't exactly a decision you take lightly

karmic sphinx Jun 4, 2019, 12:08 PM

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welp 5% of builds in synthesis were using it, and 60% of the 5% were ascendant and 20% occultist and most of them were supports (cursebots or aurabots)

dusty umbra Jun 4, 2019, 12:19 PM

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I'm actually most likely going full hybrid 5k es/5k life for next league but need to decide on which melee skill to use and what weapon (weapons to use)

north dragon Jun 4, 2019, 12:22 PM

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definately going bm for my build

sinful hazel Jun 4, 2019, 12:32 PM

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So you get a free aura but you can still use free non aura skills like a curse with the ammy or herald in essense worm

marsh wagon Jun 4, 2019, 12:50 PM

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if the curse is aura-ed it would count tho

sinful hazel Jun 4, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Does blasphemy count as an aura or a curse or both?

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Ah it is crap

eager charm Jun 4, 2019, 1:04 PM

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blasph makes your curses work as auras so yes

summer magnet Jun 4, 2019, 1:05 PM

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just putting it out there

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but

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patch notes in roughly 9-10 hours

idle hull Jun 4, 2019, 1:08 PM

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NEHW SETON HCTAP?

eager charm Jun 4, 2019, 1:09 PM

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what? tom

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 1:09 PM

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when notes patch?

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smh yuzu u better than this

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Guys

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I love reddit

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It's the VP nerf drama all over again

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I'm nearly out of popcorn

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people are so upset

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it's amazing

eager charm Jun 4, 2019, 1:10 PM

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it's also 8 am and my coffee machine broke, I think I'm allowed brain lapses

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 1:10 PM

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rip your coffee machine

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 1:10 PM

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be me

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have tea instead

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oolong tea + milk

eager charm Jun 4, 2019, 1:11 PM

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no oolong here

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 1:11 PM

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ew milk

dusty cove Jun 4, 2019, 1:11 PM

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What is reddit now upset about?

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TL;DR

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 1:11 PM

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only tea that's milk friendly is the one with ginger and cloves

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TL;DR warlord's mark nerf means you can't play mana anymore REEEEEEE

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(nevermind the countless other ways of getting mana, but hey)

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 1:12 PM

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no my friend

dusty cove Jun 4, 2019, 1:12 PM

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oh that

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meh

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 1:12 PM

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I'm asian

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we have bubble tea for every flavour of tea

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every single one

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Yeah that's good

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I live in paris and the asian district is one of my favourite haunts

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food & drinks are always amazing

summer magnet Jun 4, 2019, 1:12 PM

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what the fuck is bubble tea

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 1:13 PM

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it's tea with tapioca or fruit jelly bubbles

summer magnet Jun 4, 2019, 1:13 PM

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does it make bubbles on its own?´

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 1:13 PM

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you drink it with a huge straw so you get to "eat" the bubbles

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 1:13 PM

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you don't know what bubble tea is?

eager charm Jun 4, 2019, 1:13 PM

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it's amazing but we're drifting off topic now

languid path Jun 4, 2019, 1:13 PM

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man I pity you

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 1:13 PM

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can be cold, hot, made with milk or without, with fruit or without

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I mean, maybe the legion dudes drink bubble tea

summer magnet Jun 4, 2019, 1:14 PM

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i don't know what bubble tea is xD

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man then again.. im not much of a tea drinker anyways

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hot chocolate much better anyway 😛

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Oh man

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There's a place in paris where they serve the best hot chocolate in the world

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it's thick and a bit creamy and just so rich in flavour

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Needs to drink two gallons of water afterwards but hey

summer magnet Jun 4, 2019, 1:15 PM

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hahah

sinful hazel Jun 4, 2019, 1:22 PM

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People complaining about mana and I'm just over here laughing in blood magic before it was cool

dusty cove Jun 4, 2019, 1:24 PM

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the phys dmg with weapon to dmg with weapon type made normal jewels hawt again

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Yknow what it reminds me of

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"We nerfed Vaal Spark in every possible aspect"

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=> vaal spark still played

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 1:52 PM

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I'm mostly salty about soulrend. anyone else? Didn't really need a damage nerf. if it did need nerfing, it needed less turning.

sharp wind Jun 4, 2019, 1:53 PM

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They had to nerf the top spells to make room for melee.

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 1:53 PM

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I didnt think soulrend needed a nerf fwiw

#

My care factor is roughly zero either way

sharp wind Jun 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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same

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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But it probably would have been fine

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Essence drain still clears waaay better 🤔

sharp wind Jun 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Bane was too OP and soulrend was getting carried away with it's clear.

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Exactly. It's damage at mid tier (lv 19-23) was alright, but nothing special. It's damage at lv 28 was the problem. It turned a little fast, but honestly, that's it.

sharp wind Jun 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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I don't think it's going to be a major nerf tho

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Did bane also spread with contaigion?

sharp wind Jun 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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no

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Ye they talked up worb and bv nerfs last league

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Which turned out to be whatever

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Either way, people played it so much because it was a good chaos spell. and because it was new

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Like for me if ur doing a really big balance pass like they did

sharp wind Jun 4, 2019, 1:55 PM

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I'm going ED contagion, I missed the nerfs. 😃

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 1:55 PM

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I guess one of the borderline cases is bane soulrend

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So its reasonable

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 1:56 PM

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They do synergise REALLY well together

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 1:56 PM

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I dont really agree with it

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But its reasonable

sharp wind Jun 4, 2019, 1:56 PM

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they needed to bring it in line so that the melee changes weren't nuts to compete.

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Eh i mean

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They didnt directly nerf nonchaos

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Sould rend did like 50% more dmg then essence drian ,but needed gmp for clear and cleared slower ^^

midnight phoenix Jun 4, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Which is easier to stack on phys spells than attacks because of how the weapons work among other reasons

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Unleash GMP soulrend was really good for clear, but nowhere close to worb. or ED Cont. It competed with BV, but barely. Reave is still wy faster than soulrend is now.

sharp wind Jun 4, 2019, 1:58 PM

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ED Cont is 2 buttons tho.

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 1:58 PM

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True, but it offscreens if you get it to chain well, whereas soulrend clears your screen, + an inch or two extra.

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 1:59 PM

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+ED also gives life regen

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Soulrend gives ES leech though.

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Yea but Triskter is better

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:^)

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And hybrid trickster is best

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Trickster will be better on friday

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 2:00 PM

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It allready is

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Offensively, yes, Occultist is still better for Defence, or, was.

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Debatable

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You basicly cant die with trickster while mapping

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because of all your recover

sharp wind Jun 4, 2019, 2:01 PM

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I can die, quite easily 😃

fading fulcrum Jun 4, 2019, 2:01 PM

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you cant die with occultist either, to be fair. 30% regen is pretty good

sharp wind Jun 4, 2019, 2:01 PM

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but ye, eb mom, es recover is insane

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 2:02 PM

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30% recovery, plus recharge (constantly) plus 2x the EHP, plus 10% less damage taken?

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es leech

fading fulcrum Jun 4, 2019, 2:02 PM

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bye bye wicked ward tho 😦

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 2:02 PM

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True

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RIP occultist

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 2:02 PM

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I mean occ will still have the huge advantage of malediction

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hexproof-proof curses + -10% damage taken was insane

fading fulcrum Jun 4, 2019, 2:02 PM

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it was a free 100(?) base ES too

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Though it messes with contagion (my main salt point tbh)

tiny tusk Jun 4, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Has eternity shroud been nerfed yet?

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 2:03 PM

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It wont be nerfed probebly

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only the drop rate

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 2:03 PM

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But malediction'd tempchains/enfeeble + aspect of the spider made you a max payne in most scenarios

#

constant bullet time

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 2:03 PM

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But you could also destroy your chains ^^

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Occultist isn't that good for ED Cont, but reks with soulrend or bane

quiet geyser Jun 4, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Yea i thaught we were talking about ED

#

BAne is occultist

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Just talking aobut chaos skills in general.

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 2:04 PM

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occultist was graet for ed/cont

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while they still had the 2 points

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now yeah

#

it's bane/ED

fading fulcrum Jun 4, 2019, 2:05 PM

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occultist ED has you having to awkwardly pick either the entire curse 4 pointer, or Void Beacon + Profane Bloom

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 2:05 PM

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why awkwardly though

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Profane bloom doesn't work for ED cont

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 2:05 PM

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yeah I know that

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for the record I've been playing ed/cont religiously every league since Talisman

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Malediction and vile bastion are just amazing defensively.

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Hence being miffed at being railroaded into trickster for ed/cont

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now occultist is likely ED/Bane

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which kinda blows

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But I'd probably still pick tri-curse occultist over trickster any day if I were to build chaos stuff

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 2:06 PM

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True. Occultist is my fav class, thematically.

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 2:06 PM

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take a look at my character list

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pathofshalti

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is my acc name

fading fulcrum Jun 4, 2019, 2:07 PM

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I've never played Occultist

twin iris Jun 4, 2019, 2:07 PM

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You won't play it anymore, that's for sure.

fading fulcrum Jun 4, 2019, 2:07 PM

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lol

knotty yew Jun 4, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Eh, I'll still play it if I want to build a chaos dot

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just not the same way I used to

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probably something like ED/Bane or Bane/Blight

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The rest doesn't change that much