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[modest cave]

^

athena is right

golems are strong too tbh

just super costly

[loud wadi]

cuz I just want a build ic an finish the game with . cant get past tier 10 maps

[tough roost]

Skeletons are super strong signle target, Zombies are good tanks and good clear, SRS are great clear and good single target, Spectres are great at anything depending which one you summon

Phantasms are good, Spiders from Arakaali's Fang are good

[modest cave]

What about the wolves PogChamp

[loud wadi]

anyone have a link toa dope summoner build I can study for legacy

[tough roost]

Wolves are trash garbage, sadly

Herald of Agony is technically a summoner sorta not really

Herald of Purity/Dominating Blow

Those three are good as well

Also the league is Legion, not Legacy

[marsh wagon]

Some minion ai esp the stinky zombies aren't so hot

When u dodge aoe, they stop atk n run around w you

[loud wadi]

so spectres is the way to go if I want a summoning build

i wanna be like a super tank too tho… so like spectre occulist build?

[tough roost]

well, any is the way to go really. Just depends on preference I'd say 🤔

[loud wadi]

whats the funnest 😃

[tough roost]

hmmm, I'd say Zombies + Skeletons, personally

[midnight phoenix]

Golem is also an option

[topaz radish]

Which past league mechanics will be part of 3.7?

[loud wadi]

i want just a few powerful minons. not an army of ten zomb and skeles

[midnight phoenix]

Same past mechanics as 3.6

Not counting synth obv

@loud wadi sounds like either spectre or golem

[loud wadi]

ok thanks

[midnight phoenix]

Also if you yourself want to be mega tanky

And ur ok with just one powerful minion

You can look at herald of agony

[topaz radish]

@midnight phoenix Everything in 3.6!? Like Incursion Bestiary Betrayal Breach everything?

[midnight phoenix]

Yes yes yes and rarely

[tough roost]

well, everything that wasn't Synthesis

[turbid quartz]

Starting to think maybe duelist might be my go to now

instead of shadow

even though I like trickster

[honest egret]

i thought i was pretty set on gladiator lacerate, but now i'm not sure if i wanna do something with berserker

[modest cave]

im going slayer.

for sure i think

[whole radish]

zerker just seems clumsy to me

lose all charges every time you have to pick something up

[silver kettle]

don't have to go the blitz route on zerker

I'm expecting my league starter to be a noncrit zerker at this point, though obviously that can change depending on patch notes

the attack speed is slightly less ludicrous but that's okay

[whole radish]

i mean at that point why not just roll slayer?

[honest egret]

can't speak for viper, but sometimes i make decisions "just because i want to"

[midnight phoenix]

Im not sure if i will play any of the new buffed ascendancies honestly

Really need skill gems

If the gem numbers dont stack up im on stormbrand prolly

Or bv

[gleaming cave]

If legion jewels change things based off seed & socket, how will they be traded without having screenshots of what it does or some calculator to show what the possible results are.

[midnight phoenix]

No idea mate

[gleaming cave]

its going to be so messed up

[midnight phoenix]

We've all been asking that question too

We don't know how many seeds there are

How many jewels that corresponds to

What the mapping between them is

Or whether we'll be able to figure that out easily

[gleaming cave]

rip POB

[midnight phoenix]

Im not colossally fussed about it

But im not sure i would plan around getting the perfect jewel for ur build

[violet nymph]

my favorite summoner i’ve ever done was necromancer worb skeles

[midnight phoenix]

Or u might end up in the same spot as the folk that planned around atziri reflection in 3.3

[violet nymph]

worb for maps skeles for bosses

[gleaming cave]

Nah I dont plan builds around key uniques pretty much ever

[violet nymph]

bosses*

[gleaming cave]

If I make enough currency then I respec

[midnight phoenix]

Planning around uniques is fine

Its just we really dunno rarity

So its risky

[wide ridge]

I wouldn't plan around a specific jewel, but I'm sure as heck making a second character to use the first jewel I find

[violet nymph]

i figure winter orb is gonna suck right

that’s probably a safe bet

[wide ridge]

it'll be fine

[gleaming cave]

active defense + winterorb having large skill duration.

[wide ridge]

it was crazy good, and got it's attack speed nurfed while not channeling

[midnight phoenix]

We'll see

[tough roost]

That's not the only adjustment

[gleaming cave]

wait we have patch notes?

[midnight phoenix]

We do not

[wide ridge]

no

it's the only change we're aware of

it'd take a lot to kill wo tho

[midnight phoenix]

There was specific commentary on worb in one of the faqs

Eh it wont take much to kill worb

They just have to hit it in the right spot

Tomorrow is the balance manifesto

[gleaming cave]

ofc nerfing something so it isnt used anymore is easy

[tough roost]

It's still, mechanically speaking, one of the strongest skills in the game

[violet nymph]

if it shoots too slowly while not channeling it’ll not be good

[midnight phoenix]

Aka the nerf train

So we'll know more after that

[tough roost]

Overlapping AoE, Attacks while you move, Long Duration, Long Range

So it'd have to be a good chunk for it to "die"

[gleaming cave]

auto targetting godbless

[violet nymph]

i expect the point of winter orb was to turn yourself into a turret

[midnight phoenix]

Remove the projectile tag and turn it into aoe spell lul

That'll kill it

Theres actually a lot of ways

[gleaming cave]

you mean like ball lightning?

[midnight phoenix]

But we'll see soon enough

Ur thinking of storm burst i thino

[gleaming cave]

ah ok

[midnight phoenix]

Ball lightning is still a projectile

[tough roost]

Sure, but they shouldn't kill it

[midnight phoenix]

Yer i dont disagree

[tough roost]

I mean I don't really care if it does get killed

[midnight phoenix]

I would rather it be overnerfed than undernerfed tho

[gleaming cave]

People ar ejust going to play whatever new thing that is busted

even if its slightly better than the rest

[wide ridge]

yep

[turbid quartz]

perfect cyclone build for next map

[tough roost]

Sure, but Winter Orb was far and above most other things

[midnight phoenix]

Like if ppl are still playing slayer worb after 3.7 im gonna be pretty

[turbid quartz]

https://youtu.be/Zl9eKbJaPgc

get it boys

[gleaming cave]

fortify getting mad buffs to the point you run it in your main 6l is gonna be interesting

[turbid quartz]

only way to spin2win

[violet nymph]

do we know yet which on kill mechanics are going to work against legion frozen mobs and which won't ?

[dull epoch]

they're trying to make everything work

supposedly

but ones that consume corpses wont work

[silver kettle]

We know corpse explosions won't and Contagion probably will. I believe that's all the specific information we've been given

[violet nymph]

will we know by the time the league start ? that's pretty important information to decide which build to start with

[dull epoch]

theres a big ass timer on the legion announcement

should probably refer to that

[violet nymph]

that's not quite what I asked

[dull epoch]

ah i misread your question

lol

[violet nymph]

it's fine

[dull epoch]

i think its safe to assume

that all on kill effects will work or that they eventually will

except for ones taht require corpses

because GGG has said they are working to get as many as possible working

[violet nymph]

I was thinking about autobomber herald of ice personaly

so I would need to be able to freeze/shatter

[silver kettle]

Herald of Ice is a corpse explosion

Definitely will not work

[violet nymph]

same with herald of ash ?

[dull epoch]

herald of ash is just generic overkill damage i think

let me check

[violet nymph]

also are you sure herald of ice count as a corpse explosion ? freeze and shattering is a pretty specific mechanic

[dull epoch]

i dont think herald of ash consumes corpses so

[silver kettle]

HoI is not quite technically a corpse explosion but it requires a corpse to shatter for it to trigger. Confirmed already that there will be no corpses or shattering

[violet nymph]

do you have source for confirmed no shattering ?

[silver kettle]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2509498

[violet nymph]

alright I'll check it out thanks

'There are several technicalities like corpse destruction effects not occurring (because no corpse is destroyed)'

is this it ?

it doesn't really mention freeze and shatter

[silver kettle]

Shatter is a corpse being destroyed

I imagine you'll be able to freeze them but they won't shatter when you drop their life to 0

[violet nymph]

idk shatter occurs on killing a frozen ennemy and doesn't leave a corpse

technically it happens before the ennemy becomes a corpse

[turbid quartz]

waaait so if all will work

ED+Cont? 😮

[violet nymph]

well as long as at least herald of ash work I'm fine even if herald of ice doesn't

but it would be nice to get some sort of confirmation before league start

[silver kettle]

Idk I think it's perfectly clear and you're just trying to read too much into it

If I am wrong and it works then you'll have my sincere apologies

[violet nymph]

I think with the information we have it might work and it might not work

[silver kettle]

@turbid quartz Chris said Contagion should work

He wasn't completely sure

[dull epoch]

^yea pretty sure they said on baeclast that ed+cont will work?

dont quote me on that

even if they dont work at launch I think they intend to make them work eventually

[velvet palm]

Between whether or not it worked he said "yes"

Rather than "yes, it will work"

[turbid quartz]

I'm over here thinking of frost blades builds.

yet I could sleeper it

with Ed/Cont

[violet nymph]

you could also try frost blades + herald of ice autobomb

if it works

[clear gust]

where did additional damage with ailments on champion go ;/

time to drop perma fortify and inves in dread banner :V

invest*

btw, does ichimonji mitigate the effect on allies with banners when placed?

[buoyant arrow]

MasterFull Form from slayer + 0 frenzy = 0 end charges

[knotty yew]

@turbid quartz or just be a man and go flicker strike

then hold down the button and kill all the legion

[north dragon]

how bad is

flicker on u'elder

not dmg but the fight

[patent canyon]

pretty sure you use something like molten for single target as flicker

but shouldnt be too bad since you can use movement skills at any point now to dodge

[frigid raptor]

what s the new rage giving? chance to deal double damage, attack speed, and percent of life lost per sec?

[knotty yew]

@patent canyon depends on your build, but for uber elder it is widely recommended to at least have a backup skill for hitting shaper during the laser phase, as flicker will generally kill you

I personally prefer Vaal Double Strike to Molten Strike, but that's mostly due to the way I intend to play flicker :p

[patent canyon]

wrong pin

[knotty yew]

Molten Strike is better for Oro's builds I suppose, but Oro's builds are the lowest ceiling flicker builds sooo

not those you want to hit uber elder with

[frigid raptor]

oh so rage flicker won t be that good..

[knotty yew]

rage flicker WILL be good

if you go RoR + Blitz you get like 40% more attack speed and 96% increased attack speed from ascendancy

it's crazy

(also a shitton of damage)

And you don't get to take aspect of carnage which, while fun in terms of big numbers, does make you rather squishy if you're also going right side of the tree

[karmic bay]

https://pastebin.com/yP2de1Cd

here ya go, a 3.7 Rage flicker

30 aps unbuffed

[frigid raptor]

attack speed and movement speed stacking for nothing tho

wait

[knotty yew]

attack speed is always good

movement speed, well

[frigid raptor]

attack speed gives smth to flicker?

[karmic bay]

Yeah, u flicker faster

[knotty yew]

well, yeah, attack speed

😄

[karmic bay]

or wait mb, it was 30aps with v haste llol

[knotty yew]

curious to see how you built yours, tho, mine crested at ~28aps if memory serves

[frigid raptor]

ow shit

[knotty yew]

lemme fire up opb

[karmic bay]

23 aps unbuffed

If u get AS on gear, extra frenzy on gear and shit like that u can push 40aps

with buffs of

[knotty yew]

eeh yours is slightly different

bit more lefts ide I suppose

[karmic bay]

Aye, gotta use claws to manage mana lol

[knotty yew]

suggestion tho

Use lyco

less attack speed but more reliability

[karmic bay]

oh, lol nvm that tree

It was for Oni

[knotty yew]

ah

yeah 'cos you don't even have any chance to bleed atm

it's kinda weird :p

lemme edit it a bit

[frigid raptor]

so

what ascendancy nodes you take?

[knotty yew]

also stance might be better than herald of ash

gonna go RoR + Blitz imho

[frigid raptor]

carnage, rite and slaughter?

[karmic bay]

https://pastebin.com/4SqAJDFk Ere we go

[frigid raptor]

@knotty yew so which of carnage or slaughter you don t pick?

i m on the phone fluffee :(

[karmic bay]

Ah

Its a 26.7 aps unbuffed flicker thing, 780k shaper dps unbuffed

Blitz / RoR

[frigid raptor]

and the other 2?

[karmic bay]

Well, the ones that come before them 😛

[frigid raptor]

they are connected to the main one

[karmic bay]

No, they are 4 pointers

[frigid raptor]

oh nvm

[karmic bay]

^^

[frigid raptor]

ohh

so no carnage

carnage looks pretty dope on flicker tho

i don t think blitz is worth

i mean 4 points for it

[karmic bay]

But should be able to switch to Bladestorm in blood stance to drop like, 10 pools a second

Blitz is so worth it

[frigid raptor]

idk how bladestorm works

worthier than carnage?

[karmic bay]

Yeah, ended up giving more dmg

[frigid raptor]

what would tou choose

[karmic bay]

As there are like... Very few sources of more attack speed

but many sources of more dmg

[frigid raptor]

40% attack speed or 40% damage

[karmic bay]

40% AS

[frigid raptor]

tho it s 40% MORE damage

[karmic bay]

And its 40% MORE attackspeed too

if it was increased i wouldnt bother with it

[frigid raptor]

which from my knowledge is calculated after all the increased damage multipliers

[karmic bay]

True

[frigid raptor]

ooo

more as too

then

isn t it worthier to multiply the one who s bigger?

if you have more dmg multipliers, the 40% more damage will be improoving more too

and also

[karmic bay]

Think of it like this, (Base dmg * (all damage increases) * (all more increases)) * (Base AS * (all AS inc) * (all AS More))

[frigid raptor]

for blitz, you take flawless surgery who doesn t really helps you

[karmic bay]

A ton of crit, flat damage and crit mult?

[knotty yew]

the 20-30 flat damage is insane btw

[karmic bay]

Wut.

[frigid raptor]

do you need crit?

[karmic bay]

Well, if you are building a crit character

THen yes

[knotty yew]

you always want crit

😄

[karmic bay]

well, g2g, cyall

[frigid raptor]

lol i suck honestly then xd i m used to elemental dmg more

and RoR is also worthier than carnage?

it looks like it.. it s hard honestly

[knotty yew]

so @karmic bay

well I'm kinda late but

https://pastebin.com/Dte6mPip

That's what I'd be going for with a zerker GR toon

[wild arch]

Anyone got a time capsule to skip to patch notes?

I wanna do a melee ignite build so bad but there's no sign of any ailment based melee skills yet

[minor jungle]

do full fire earthquake 🤷

[wild arch]

I thought of that

But you can't use Oro with it

Which is sad

There's the option of running a cheeky ignite brain rattler

Which on second thought sounds amazing

[minor jungle]

I don't see the relevance between brain rattler and ignite tho.

something like, chieftain earthquake should be fine enough for ignitequake I guess

[silver kettle]

Stormfire @minor jungle

[minor jungle]

oh right that ring is a thing

[violet nymph]

guys, will raider get some changes in legion or did they already reveal all the ascendancy changes they planned

No changes to raider @violet nymph

thats sad

now raider will just be outclassed

Yup. As it should be

why should it be :(

[sinful hazel]

So zerker is pretty nuts. I'm wondering if 70% crit chance on flicker with 15 aps will be enough to keep up max blitz charges and frenzies

[shadow thistle]

Yeah I wonder

[north dragon]

only 15aps? pepelaugh

anyways, jokes aside. once u get a few stacks going

its gonna go up from there

[sinful hazel]

15 aps with minimal investment on tree. Most of it being % damage, life, and a little bit of crit

[north dragon]

flicking to the moon to flicking to uranus

[sinful hazel]

Build starts with 80% effective before blitz takes over

[north dragon]

im acutally starting that too

just that

[sinful hazel]

50% and 60% without flasks

[north dragon]

im afraid the price of the weapon would be so high

lmao

[sinful hazel]

Ive grabbed a terminus XD

[north dragon]

in legion

i got a perfect roll one

[sinful hazel]

I dont XD

[north dragon]

in current league

zerker sounds nuts after ramping up

before that it feels meh

[sinful hazel]

I think 7.5% crit and 400pdps is gonna be the avg to shoot for it

Yea the hardest part will be the ramp up.

Flicker has that issue too

But once it doea

Ho boi

[frigid raptor]

with RoR flicker you shall be eable to easily reach 30aps

[north dragon]

acutally

what monitor are u using

mines dying

[sinful hazel]

Ror?

[north dragon]

the 40% more aspd node i think

[sinful hazel]

Oh rita of ruin

[north dragon]

nvm

its triple effect with 5% degen

i think the duration of the degen is around 4seconds?

[sinful hazel]

Yea you want that. 75% inc aps

[north dragon]

if u dont

hit

anything

as in not gaining rage

[sinful hazel]

Yea rage falls of "recently"

[north dragon]

ruins so nice

acutally

maybe not

or maybe so

[sinful hazel]

Also

[north dragon]

its crave thats tasty

a 2 pointer

[sinful hazel]

I wonder how fast the beserk skill qill consume rage

Cause if it is slower than .3 seconds

You can just ignore the degen

[north dragon]

im going 10-12-2-4 in that order

or maybe 10-12 first

[sinful hazel]

Blitz first?

[north dragon]

early game

[sinful hazel]

Or is that rage first

[north dragon]

wont have thatmuch crit

acutally

idk

lmao

10-2-4-12

4 when we have the level to get terminus est

to use*

eh

no

fuck me

im confused

10 looks nice early

for level 30+

unless theres a better way to gain rage at that level

[sinful hazel]

Personally I'm gonna go rage first. It's a lot of damage early and easy to get at least a bit of it. Honestly I dont think blitz before uber is a good idea. Cause 200% reduced crit is gonna be hard on you with a low budget/gear

[north dragon]

eh

its not really 200%

the notes to it

gives u 105% crit chance

[sinful hazel]

Still. It hurts the consistency you need for terminus.

Also leveling cyclone probably

[north dragon]

will see the patch notes to decide on what skill to level with first

[frigid raptor]

2 it s the nicest

20-30 phys dmg is insane for leveling

[sinful hazel]

I'm really curious what they are planning numbers with accuracy

[north dragon]

although its nice i prefer going faster along with dmg? i guess

i could use ele dmg weapons or so early

u have that attack speed

[sinful hazel]

I think rage 1, crit 1, rage 2, crit 2 is my path

[frigid raptor]

@north dragon you won t use flicker early tho right?

[north dragon]

nope

untill i get terminus

and tr yit out

lmao

hopefully its not expensive af

considering we have a fewppl here talking ab out it

im sure theres many others

thinking about it

[sinful hazel]

It is pretty common

[frigid raptor]

it wont be more than 20 c for sure

[north dragon]

20c early is almost like 1ex

esp first day

[frigid raptor]

oh you re a good player

[north dragon]

nope i suck

i just play more than others

[frigid raptor]

:))

even so, reaching lvl 60 first day is snth

[north dragon]

eh its pretty norm for my guild

im one of the slowest

lol

[frigid raptor]

how many hours it takes you then?

[north dragon]

took me about 6hours+ in flashback ssf

played necro srs lul

but im slightly proud that i coudl get rank 1 necro for a while

and i gave up

knowing that i can't grind to 100

lmao

[frigid raptor]

oh xd so you really are a good player

then idk man pray ^^

[north dragon]

tbh srs is pretty decent

my friends plays it like a damn pro

[frigid raptor]

maybe first day you keep on sundering or whatever level skill you use

[north dragon]

he got into top 10 solo in flashback not ssf for awhile using srs

hmm

sunder

ew

[frigid raptor]

after the first day, you probably are able to buy it

[north dragon]

idk men

[violet nymph]

I mean i hit maps in 7-8 hours. The game is pretty easy during leveling when you remember layouts

[frigid raptor]

what s srs?

[north dragon]

its easy if u know what skills to go for leveling

but

melee

im not sure

[frigid raptor]

exactly

what skills do you think you ll be using?

[north dragon]

waiting for patch

[frigid raptor]

sunder feels really heavy and by that i mean slow

[violet nymph]

Cyclone

[frigid raptor]

meme or?

[north dragon]

waiting for patch notes to decide

its like, there maybe better leveling skills

[violet nymph]

@frigid raptor so far the best leveling skill is molten strike for melee cuz its pretty good

[sinful hazel]

I'm thinking cyclone for leveling

[violet nymph]

Cyclone still likely level 28

[frigid raptor]

@violet nymph agreed

a new leveling skill would be very welcomed tho..

[sinful hazel]

You cant really use flicker till 60 or 70

And cyclone interacts well with zerker

[frigid raptor]

yeah until you can generate frenzy charges

[sinful hazel]

Raider could probably go super early flicker but beyond that

[frigid raptor]

not worth tho

[sand harbor]

Patch note is Day -1 ?

[silver kettle]

@sand harbor patch notes will be in about 36-40h from now

[sand harbor]

Ty sir

[north dragon]

hmm

skill effects on sale

[frigid raptor]

when is PoB updated usually after a new league? couple of days difference or more?

[sinful hazel]

day or 2 after patch notes uusaly iirc

[frigid raptor]

oh so even before the launch?

[sinful hazel]

depends really

sometimes ggg doesnt give PoB the data till the torrent

[solid nova]

honestly, they should NDA OpenARL and give him the notes and changes early

that way he can have PoB ready for release with the official notes

[gray fiber]

pretty sure openarl got a job working on PoE

he should already have that type of info

[solid nova]

I was not aware, well then

[livid lake]

he does but he also works now so he has less time

[minor jungle]

I mean it is also open source.

...right?

maybe I'll meme it up and code in the current slayer only just so I can make the tree faster.

[languid path]

sure, but it's not exactly legos

[north dragon]

i realised

doing uberelder on berzerke feels aids to start

0 charges

[odd steeple]

Yes, Rage sucks for bosses

I think it's not that bad for uber elder in particular though cause the fight is so long. Give it like 20-25 seconds to build up and then you'll have it for the rest of the fight.

[rapid solar]

You don't even need that much buildup

one chain strike = 6 Rage

[odd steeple]

I wonder if other classes are gonna feel obligated to use Chain Strike, even at 1/3 the effectiveness of rage on a Rite of Ruin zerker.

Is it 6 rage or 5 rage + 1 for hit?

[rapid solar]

5 + 1

At least that's what it looked like

[odd steeple]

That's based on analyzing the video

I assume

Was it clear how long the CD on Chain Strike is?

Like imagine you just use Chain Strike on a Slayer or something

and get 5% damage and 2% attack speed every time you use it up to 10?

That sounds really strong

I wonder if Chain Strike will read something like "If you have Rage, gain 5 Rage" or something

[rapid solar]

actually in the trailer I don't really see chain strike generating anything

but I think Jonathan talked about it

Ah it was Ziggy

and it's very obvious in his video

[north dragon]

talking about flicker, whats a good gem setup

[odd steeple]

Soooo who's going golemancer next league now that they have like 600% increased spell damage and 600% increased crit?

[quiet geyser]

I thaught golems do attacks

[odd steeple]

flame golems are spells

[quiet geyser]

Hm maybe

[fallen tulip]

wait whats giving them 600% increased spell damage?

[odd steeple]

the new Rathpith Globe

[quiet geyser]

The op shield

2 Screens?

Minions will be pretty much broken this patch

[odd steeple]

*spellcasting minions

[fallen tulip]

yea depends on how easy it is to get your hands on rathpith

[odd steeple]

Do like solar guards have base crit?

because Flame Golems do not

[quiet geyser]

Even that the support gem will reach insane values

[odd steeple]

It doesn't seem to -- on Flame Golems I only get like 5% more damage for it

maybe something in my config is wrong?

[quiet geyser]

Some Minions have like 200k hp
1.9*2000

[odd steeple]

maybe zero crit multi or something?

[rapid solar]

Doubt that's going to make it through QA

[quiet geyser]

No

wrong math sorry

[fallen tulip]

i dont understand how the shield would scale golems though

[odd steeple]

I mean Raiz asked about it in Baeclast

[quiet geyser]

They have like 38% Crit Chance

[fallen tulip]

Golems are Minions & Spells together?

[odd steeple]

and Jonathan was like "Yeah, go for it"

@fallen tulip Necromantic Aegis makes it work for golems

[quiet geyser]

Its chris favorite acendancy "so it might slip"

keystone*

[odd steeple]

I haven't seen the video Karv made, did he discuss possible spectres to use?

[low kindle]

Vaal advocates, probably

[odd steeple]

I could see starting Necro and if the shield is like 50ex then so be it I'm just doing spectres and that's not bad

[quiet geyser]

IDK he takes way to long to talk and repets himself 24/7 dont watch him :/

[wet plaza]

4% health loss per use is steep

[odd steeple]

That's why Golems are nice, you can get a few Primordial Harmony jewels and it's no biggie

[low kindle]

Minion regen and leech nodes

[rapid solar]

Golems have like 10% reg

[quiet geyser]

Specteres can leech trough ele reflect maps

dont think this shield hurts them

[low kindle]

Can't run second clayshaper with globe 😔

[odd steeple]

Yeah, it's worth though

Primordial Eminence becomes soooo goood

[low kindle]

Real question though, does elementalist need chain?

Primordial chain

I guess not

[wet plaza]

absolutely

golems are way too slow without it

[odd steeple]

I mean people play Herald of Agony

Just convoke over and over

[wet plaza]

and its better than golems without the amu

[low kindle]

Chain is a big nerf to globe btw

[wet plaza]

there is just no reason not to take it

[low kindle]

Less damage and less damage

[odd steeple]

chain like double-dips on badness, yeah

[wet plaza]

more golems, more speed

[odd steeple]

Like it's probably good for mapping anyways

[low kindle]

With ele you go from 6 golems to 9 with chain

[wet plaza]

yeah its same dmg but up to 100% more ms

[low kindle]

And get immediately thrown back by damage penalty

[wet plaza]

which equates to a lot dps due to less clunkyness

[low kindle]

Also less life which is a globe nerf

[odd steeple]

50% more golems, 50% more speed, 40% less damage 40% less damage

[wet plaza]

+golems and less dmg is basically making it equal to before

life doesnt matter golems never die

speed is worth it alone

[rapid solar]

You just go Elementalist, don't you?

[low kindle]

Life matters now

[odd steeple]

life DOES matter because life is damage on Globe

[low kindle]

With globe

[rapid solar]

then it's 5 -> 8 Golems

[low kindle]

More like 6-9

[rapid solar]

1 Base + 2 Ele + 1 Anima + 1 Clayshaper

what am I missing?

[wet plaza]

did you ever run golems with and without the amu

the question doesnt even come up if you do imo

prim chain is so much qol goodness

you dont want to give that up

[odd steeple]

Anima is +2

[low kindle]

Anima stone gives 2

[rapid solar]

Ah yea

the more golems you have the worse chain gets though

lol

[wet plaza]

you always want the speed

[low kindle]

I'm not saying chain was bad until this time, but with globe it's probably not worth it for a bosskilling build

[wet plaza]

so nope

you dont need globe for a bosskiller

golems fuck shit up regardless

[odd steeple]

Why not take it though?

To shorten uber elder fight by like 30% or something

[wet plaza]

cos you'd have to run flame golems which feel way worse than ice ones

[odd steeple]

I mean I've never run either so I don't know, but flame seems fine for bosses

[wet plaza]

if you can stomach their ai sure

[rapid solar]

I've never had problems with flame golem ai with might

[low kindle]

Inb4 jewels are limited to 1

[wet plaza]

did you try ice golems

[rapid solar]

But Globe with Golems will be a lot of damage... that's for sure

[wet plaza]

they feel way better

[rapid solar]

Don't they have a lot less aoe?

[wet plaza]

no standing around, more activity

not an issue, theyre not stationary like flame ones

[rapid solar]

Flame Golems with gmp cleared off screen for me

[fallen tulip]

compared to uhh Victario's Charity

i made a ice golemancer in synthesis and gotta say the charges stack up quite fast on 9 golems

[marsh wagon]

so with 9 golems u get 270% bonus dmg?

[fallen tulip]

more

[marsh wagon]

the ascendancy thing

per goolem

[fallen tulip]

thats 180% from ascendancy

but then there are the jewels

[marsh wagon]

180% from that alone...

and u can spiritual aid to take minion dmg

[quiet geyser]

Uff they also said, they rework enemys and there dmg in the early levels right?

[fallen tulip]

i have 6 Primordial harmonies

[quiet geyser]

Mabye new spectres?

Woth using?

[fallen tulip]

thats 120% inc. dmg

maybe steph

they did say they'd make those changes so theyre slower but deadlier

[odd steeple]

They also said those are mainly for the first 4 acts

I think the main spectre people use from the first 4 acts is the gorilla chieftain?

And not for his attacks

[fallen tulip]

but what I think we can expect, is for them to revamp more enemies up until 4.0

[odd steeple]

Yeah

[quiet geyser]

Mabye the Glacil Cascade dude is now woth it 🤔 xD

[odd steeple]

Which one?

[quiet geyser]

XD medicin quest one ^^

[fallen tulip]

oh the first boss

[odd steeple]

I don't think you can raise uniques

[quiet geyser]

ehhh...

Nvm then

[marsh wagon]

if all the bonuses are on unique enemies

spectre won't get anything new

[odd steeple]

They aren't, they said like rhoas and stuff too

Maybe the rolling stone things from act 2 will be different?

Though those already had nicely telegraphed attacks

[fallen tulip]

wth is this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmrDwImgWJQ

[odd steeple]

The thing is nothing in Acts 1-4 does big aoe, because it's early game

So for damage dealing spectres you gotta wait

[fallen tulip]

have you guys seen that before?

[quiet geyser]

yea

It is the video send to the journalists

[fallen tulip]

im just seeing it now for the first time

[quiet geyser]

Its also the video wich tark looped in bayclast

And parts of that are also in the actual trailer for legion

[fallen tulip]

oh then i've probably seen some of the material

[odd steeple]

The Kaom fight looks so good

[fallen tulip]

i want Infernal blow & Vigilant strike to be good in 3.7

[quiet geyser]

Then you need some endurance charge generation

[fallen tulip]

how come

oh yea vigilant strike

[odd steeple]

I mean has Vigilant Strike ever been worth using for damage dealing purposes?

[fallen tulip]

no

[odd steeple]

Maybe with Chieftain now it could be?

[fallen tulip]

but im hoping the new hitbox changes for melee will make many skills worth using

[odd steeple]

It's a lot of base damage and free cannot-be-evaded

You could do some kind of stun setup with it too I guess

[fallen tulip]

Chieftain is 35% chance to gain on using a fireskill

[odd steeple]

ohhhh, right, not a fireskill

nvm

[fallen tulip]

but there's that 2h mace unique with lv20 or 18 End. charge on melee stun

[odd steeple]

Tidebreaker

[fallen tulip]

yup

[odd steeple]

Yeah, could be quite good

Except when you run into Unwavering enemies

[fallen tulip]

then you better have another skill to use

or just wish you 1hit them

[odd steeple]

If you do it as Jugg or something you can just slow down and hit only a few times a sec tops

[blissful hamlet]

Does blocking count as being hit?

And if so, things like kintsugis 20% less Damage taken if you have not been Hit Recently, do not work with block?

[odd steeple]

Yes, blocking counts as being hit. Kintsugi+Block is not a good combo, as you surmise.

[wintry lantern]

does %attack damage get applied to minions?

[odd steeple]

If the stat just says "x% increased Attack Damage" then no

[wintry lantern]

Even minions that come from attack skills (dom blow)?

[odd steeple]

Depends on how the minion scales. Most minions scale with minion damage (including Dom Blow, one of the reasons dom blow is awkward to build)

Vaal Double Strike is a double of you though and scales with your attack damage

[wintry lantern]

OK, thanks. I was hoping the change from melee damage to attack damage in Champion would be a benefit for DB. So Guardian is still best ascendancy for DB?

[odd steeple]

Champion doesn't sound bad since so much of its damage is just generic debuffs on enemies. But that particular change won't help DB

[wintry lantern]

Thanks!

[quaint sentinel]

Man why are the skill gem reveals always last

It's so agonizing.

[odd steeple]

I think they just want maximum time to finish balancing them

[wintry lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/this-up-gif-8606566

[wild arch]

Alright so if you have 8% base crit how much chance would be the most optimal for a crit build?

[odd steeple]

100%

(but it's complicated to get there because of diamond flask diminishing returns and stuff)

[wild arch]

[solid nova]

I mean, you need to get to around 50% crit before diamond flask, assuming you have perfect hitchance?

[odd steeple]

More is better

[solid nova]

from 8 to 50 is an increase of 625%

[sinful hazel]

80% is what ive found is pretty good

[odd steeple]

like going from 50% to 80% unflasked means 75% -> 96%

[solid nova]

you'd defo want more base crit, either from hatred or pure talent

or some other source I don't know about

[sinful hazel]

elder/shaper gives base crit

crit supports

[odd steeple]

Assassin's Mark curse is 2.5%

[wild arch]

Also how much do you think varunastra is gonna cost?

[odd steeple]

If only it weren't so damn slow

[solid nova]

^

[sinful hazel]

depends on how busted the supports are

[odd steeple]

inb4 59% each

[sinful hazel]

if its more than a normal support like 80% more it will be busted as fuk. if its the usual 59% then it prolly wont be too much different

[odd steeple]

59% isn't normal

39% is normal, 49% is good, 59% requires drastic measures like disabling all non-physical damage

[wild arch]

I've been wanting to do a glacial hammer build for a long ass time now, and I figured slayer's 8% base crit would be really strong with swords

[odd steeple]

If I had to guess, I'd guress they are like 39% + some utility effect that goes with the weapon

[solid nova]

so, if you're going for 80 unflasked, you're looking at needing a minimum 530% global with 15% base

more global with less base, at least if my math is right

but I could be completely off

[odd steeple]

that sounds wrong

remember it's "increased" so you get free 100% base

[solid nova]

yeah, not suprised

[wild arch]

There's another thing that has been bothering me for a while

See all those chaos damage with attack skills nodes

Do they increase the damage of poison from attack skills?

[odd steeple]

Yes

[solid nova]

so more like 430%, yeah

[odd steeple]

They're usually on bleeding nodes

[solid nova]

whoops, me silly

[odd steeple]

Yep, I get 79.5% crit chance with 15% flat and 430% increased

sounds right

[wintry lantern]

OK, so for a DB/HoP champ, master of metal or first to strike, last to fall? and which banner?

[wild arch]

What about the generic attack damage mini nodes on new slayer and champion?

[solid nova]

assuming 3 power charges, you only need to find 310, which is very doable

[odd steeple]

@wintry lantern both of those nodes don't sound amazing? Master of Metal definitely better though

because Adrenaline from First to Strike only affects yourself

and Adrenaline is great so War Banner makes sense

[wintry lantern]

Would Unstopable hero be better, assuming that Fortify is good enough to use in the DB links?

[odd steeple]

I think it might be better even without Fortify in main links

[solid nova]

stun immune is pretty dope, yeah

[odd steeple]

It's a generic defensive buff

Master of Metal has this weird thing, where the Impale is good, but then your minions hit the enemy a bunch of times rapidly so you can't stack impales

which means you don't get the flat phys bonus more than once or twice

[wintry lantern]

which is why I was considering dread banner to give them impale too

[odd steeple]

how much Impale chance can you get on the minions if you invest in it?

[wintry lantern]

20% from dread banner, I don't know of anything else that does it

[odd steeple]

yeah, so like 1/5 hits will apply it

and it lasts for 5 hits

so on average +1 impale per enemy

which is like 6-12 flat phys and 10% more phys

[wintry lantern]

slightly higher for +quality and +gem level

[fallen tulip]

but the impale chance doesn't get higher? or does it

[odd steeple]

it's like 30% when placed at max stages, yeah?

+30% impale effect

it could work out to better than Adrenaline yeah, if you add it all up

[wintry lantern]

especially without the FtsLtf adrenaline buffs

[odd steeple]

those adrenaline buffs are a pain to manage though

[solid nova]

yeah, was about to say that gaining adren is gonna be a pain

[wintry lantern]

dropping war banner is guaranteed adrenaline on command

[odd steeple]

yeah, for your allies too

[solid nova]

how does dropping war banner give adren?

[wintry lantern]

placing war banner gives 1/20 sec adrenaline per stack

[odd steeple]

oh wait, I'm wrong, it's only for you

(The adrenaline part)

oh and War Banner only gains stacks when YOU kill an enemyu

[solid nova]

at max stages, that only adds up to just over 2s of adren

not really that much to rely on

[odd steeple]

The more I look at it the more it looks like War Banner is better

*Dread Banner

[sinful hazel]

ah right

[wintry lantern]

no, but it's enough for the 25% heal and clear debufs

[solid nova]

I mean, if you want the heal, yeah. If you want the buff, I'd say you're better off using RF to drop your health low, and when the trait procs it will cleanse rf

[wintry lantern]

Yeah, I'm def leaning toward dread banner

[odd steeple]

I think after this discussion, I would go Worthy Foe + Master of Metal + Unstoppable Hero, with Dread Banner and no adrenaline

[wintry lantern]

I was thinking Worthy Foe, Inspirational, Unstopable

[odd steeple]

That's OK too, what auras are you planning on?

[wintry lantern]

HoP and Dread banner

maybe Hatred if I can fit it

[odd steeple]

I mean that's only 35% reservation even without Inspirational

Hatred + Impale is kind of a non-bo? Like they don't synergize but if they're both strong then certainly you can use them

[wintry lantern]

my bad, not hatred

Ash

[sinful hazel]

why anger? still doesnt trigger on impale. hatred would at least accept your phys

[odd steeple]

Ash only buffs you

Anger is flat ele

I'd bet Hatred really is best, or just some generic defensive thing, or blasphemy curse

[wintry lantern]

Blasphemy/vuln or blasphemy/punishment?

[odd steeple]

Some of Dom Blow's sentinels are ranged right?

oh no they're all melee

[solid nova]

shame you can't run generosity heralds

[odd steeple]

I'd do Vuln I think? Maim sounds really nice because the sentinels aren't targetable, right?

So monsters will be running towards you and if they're slowed the sentinels will get in more attacks

[wintry lantern]

reduced reserved is so hard to path to from duelist

[odd steeple]

There's one cluster nearby, that's the only easy one

The one in the top left is near the excellent minion damage cluster that gives you more damage too

So if you want reduced reserved you have two obvious places to get it

(All subject to change of course with new skill tree coming soon)

[wintry lantern]

and one of them is behind blood magic

[odd steeple]

Yeah that's just a totally different ball of wax, only good on LowLife characters

[wintry lantern]

Guess that pushes me to 1h/shield instead of 2h for 2 6links. Makes HoP reserve too much

[solid nova]

absolutely wild idea, you could go Coming Calamity

[odd steeple]

Oh that's right, you're actually scaling the HoP minions

[solid nova]

force HoP to only res 45%

[odd steeple]

So my claims about only 35% reservation are not true

An interesting idea: if you do blasphemy vuln, then your HoP minions can apply bleed

and you can link Bloodlust to Dom Blow

[wintry lantern]

how much does coming calamity usually go for?

[odd steeple]

Pretty cheap

It has meh defenses and is pretty common

[solid nova]

^^ I play bomber every league, 6l tCC is around 3.5ex

or less

[odd steeple]

https://poe-antiquary.xyz/Betrayal/Armour/The Coming Calamity/2199

It's a 1c unique within a few days

[wintry lantern]

If I put HoP in a +minion level helm with brutality, faster attacks, and cull that would bring the reservation down to managable levels even without reduced res

instead of trying to 6l it

[odd steeple]

Yeah, that sounds better, chest armors without defenses are rough

[wintry lantern]

The Baron is usually pretty cheap

[fallen tulip]

well we'll see

how meta the Corpse zombies become

[odd steeple]

There's new interactions with both life-based zombies and rathpith globe and Baron is a lot of HP to minions

And Baron is pretty rare (even if off-meta these days)

but a rare +2 helm is easy to get

[wintry lantern]

maybe Geofri's Legacy

[fallen tulip]

chances are Zombies also had their melee attacks adjusted the same way melee hitboxes work for melee skills

[solid nova]

ratpith globe is gonna be super expensive lul

[odd steeple]

oh, also, The Coming Calamity is an int chest armor

and Dom Blow wants like at least 5 red sockets

HoP-Brutality-Maim-Culling Strike is only 42%

[solid nova]

as much as I want to play my typical frost blades and bomber characters

spectres is gonna be nutty

[odd steeple]

Yeah for sure

I'm leaning pretty heavily towards spectres

and seeing if Rathpith is attainable or not

[wintry lantern]

So if I were to stick with a 2h for Chober Chaber, what could I add in the chest?

Holy Relic?

[odd steeple]

Would you put HoP there?

for the 6L

[wintry lantern]

That reserves too much mana with blasph/vuln

[summer magnet]

no need to discuss all this before patch notes :3

you might end up being really sad due to changes :3

[odd steeple]

HoP-Maim-Brutality-Culling Strike-Minion Damage is a nice 5L

for 47% reservation

[wintry lantern]

don't need maim with vuln

[odd steeple]

it's actually less damage than just a +2

the maim gem gives increased phys taken to your Dom Blow if you link it to HoP

and it's only 115% multiplier

[livid apex]

I'd think you would skip the cull

jam it in a +gems hat

HoP scales super hard with gem level

[odd steeple]

Yeah, I'm with that

[wintry lantern]

maim over melee phys?

[odd steeple]

Maim on one, Melee Phys on the other

the "enemies take 14% increased physical damage" is global

[wintry lantern]

So with Geofri's Legacy I can have 2 holy relics, maybe put maim and cull linked to that

[odd steeple]

relics don't attack

I guess the explosion could sometimes cull?

Maim isn't a bad support, it's 30% more phys damage locally and 14% increased phys taken globally for 115% reservation

getting Cull off of HoP sounds nice, but Maim just makes a ton of sense

just get a +3 minion gems rare hat

it's not that expensive, and +2 is fine for a bit until then

[wintry lantern]

I'll calc both out when PoB gets updated

[odd steeple]

I'm surprised all the Dom Blow people on poe.ninja are guardians

except on jugg

maybe not having that sentinal aoe slam is just really important

[wintry lantern]

and the 40% HoP effect

[odd steeple]

That doesn't change much, right? only affects you

It's "HoP buff effect" not "HoP effect"

i.e. the buff it gives you is stronger not the minions

[wintry lantern]

I think it also applies to the minion life

and maybe the minion damage

NM, i'm wrong

I'd say it's a combination of aoe slam and charge generation/sharing

no, I'm wrong again, that's party members, not allies

probably has most to do with the ease of pathing to spiritual aid and spiritual command

[odd steeple]

Pretty sure the charge sharing does work

100% accuracy is big too

Worse than champion's hits cannot be evaded on single target, but better in maps

Oh maybe it doesn't but people use Victario's Charity?

[peak mesa]

Hey did we get a definitive answer as to if Contagion will spread for the league mechanic?

[odd steeple]

No, they said "We'll check" and afaik they never got back to us on it

[tough roost]

It probably will, since it's an on-kill effect that doesn't require a corpse

[wintry lantern]

I think the biggest monkey wrench to my build concept at this point will be the weapon-specific support gems they keep mentioning

[odd steeple]

I think you just won't be able to use them?

Because minions won't be using the weapons

[wintry lantern]

well, if the mace one gives reliable stun on bosses, then I won't need cull anywhere thanks to Skull Cracking

[odd steeple]

I've got a level 82 champion in standard right now with all his passives reset, I could try building your character 😛

[wintry lantern]

Want me to send you the POB?

[odd steeple]

Sure, though I think I can figure out most of the key stuff

Of how I would build it at least

[wintry lantern]

https://pastebin.com/qUba6W5B

that's level 80

[odd steeple]

Some thoughts: I would definitely drop the mace wheel, it only affects you

and I would definitely go get the minion damage/skill effect duration area near scion

[wintry lantern]

I could probably drop most of the weapon wheels, though I like the idea of cull on stun

[odd steeple]

the tricky thing is that the things you most want to cull are hardest to stun

[wintry lantern]

Right, that's why I'm wondering what the weapon specific support for maces will be

the gravepact wheel also puts me real close to the juicy life wheel

[odd steeple]

Yep

And Skill Effect Duration is super good on Dominating Blow

[wintry lantern]

armor/evasion is probably better than armor/ES for non-uniques, right?

[odd steeple]

Yeah, ES without recharge mechanisms like leech or regen is pretty meh on melee characters

You get +2000 flat armor from Champion if you take Master of Metal

which, if Armor is good (because of Molten Shell) might actually be really good

[wintry lantern]

I was thinking that Inspirational would be better than Master of Metal for the move speed and the inc aura effect.

[odd steeple]

well you aren't using any auras

[wintry lantern]

True, just the banner

[odd steeple]

if you were using Smite and Hatred instead of the brutality thing then it would be better

[wintry lantern]

so that's 40% impale for me and 20% for minons, with 13 minions that attack, so yeah

[idle hull]

Does anyone know how flicker will work with legion? Like will it auto target the frozen enemies?

[wintry lantern]

they are enemies, so probably

[tough roost]

Yup, they're regular enemies for the purposes of targeting

And become untargetable when they 'die'

[wintry lantern]

I just hope that my minions won't just sit there and stare at them

OK, I've got to get in the shower. If you actually try out this build Clue let me know how it goes

[tough roost]

Minions will also attack them until they 'die'

[wintry lantern]

Minion AI against enemies not attacking them or you can be iffy

Have GGG said anything about whether minions will be capable of animation canceling to move to a new target if their target dies?

[odd steeple]

@wintry lantern well, I put together the character and ran it through blood aqueducts

super scuffed cause I only had level 1 dominating blow

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/SirClueless/characters?characterName=MissingImpossible

[wide totem]

Challenge leagues are a great opportunity for a short period without hitting anything.

best start

[sage arch]

When you reach 24 challenges, you will receive a full rework in future. Excited about that

[quaint sentinel]

All melee skills now deal damage.

all i ever wanted

[wintry lantern]

@odd steeple Hmmm, I like the way you pathed that through the scion area instead of the marauder and templar areas

only one ring?

[odd steeple]

Don't read into my gear much, it's just what I had lying around my stash

Like I think the best weapon is The Scourge

But I didn't have one

Possibly even dual wielding them

the jewelry and belt is just stuff with enough dex and str to equip gems and gear

[wintry lantern]

Yeah, having The Scourge would mean not having to path out to Spiritual Command, but I'm not sure that it would be better than Chaber Cairn

[odd steeple]

I was planning on doing both actually, path out there and then use The Scourge anyways, for 15% minion attack speed and 70% minion damage per

[wintry lantern]

In that case, the +3 level Dom Blow and +1-2 to most supports would probably be better wouldn't it?

[clear gust]

they should do vaal flicker strike - 2 clones that do flicker strike lel

[odd steeple]

Yeah, possibly. Just wanted high attack speed and better defenses and was valuing it over damage.

[clear gust]

@odd steeple due to changes to champion ill drop poison completely

drop fortify node, and go for dread banner

taking up inspiration

or whatever was that called

[odd steeple]

Poison?

[clear gust]

remember talkig 2 days ago - champion full phys, full armor no crit?

with poison and impale

god

[odd steeple]

oooh yeah

[clear gust]

bleeding

FUUU

[odd steeple]

Hehe

[clear gust]

im dumb

since theres no additional damage to ailments with attack skills in the champion ascendancy

[odd steeple]

I think it still scales though

That's why they made the change actually

Oh nope, you're right

"Attack Damage" does not

Maybe they'll change it?

That would certainly clean up a bunch of passive nodes around the duelist area

And we know they're looking at those

[clear gust]

"15% increased effect of non-curse auras from your skills", banner skills reserve no mana, life regen, 12 % increased movement speed

40% stages of placed banner

spamming dread banner for fortify

[odd steeple]

It's not enough to keep up fortify

0.05 s per stage

[clear gust]

its ok when clearing

5 s on full after 60 kills

iirc banners had 100 stages

[odd steeple]

Dread Banner is on Impale not on kill

[clear gust]

or 50?

[odd steeple]

and it's 50

so 2.5s max, and you need to Impale 5 enemies a second for 10 seconds

[clear gust]

still, 20% champion impale + 20% dread banner

0.09 attack time

[odd steeple]

or I guess for 6 seconds since you get 40% back

there's a hard limit of 5/second on Dread Banner

[clear gust]

hmm

[odd steeple]

I mean just leap slam into things

[clear gust]

yeah

[odd steeple]

It's a guaranteed stun and 5s of Fortify

[clear gust]

reave and whirling blades

delving would be weird

not having the buff constantly then

1 sec downtime

ugh even more button mashing

[odd steeple]

I mean Whirling into things works too, just a bit clunkier to hit with it

[violet nymph]

Man zerker with leap slam is going to be fast af

[clear gust]

hmm i would want to see how my 40k+ armor will work with molten shell

[odd steeple]

I think you will be unkillable when it's up

[clear gust]

i havent even used immortal call on that build

[odd steeple]

https://youtu.be/eChlmPN8G_8?t=40

0:40 for sneak preview of Zerker leap slam

Immortal Call, Molten Shell, and Steelskin are all gonna share cooldowns

so you only get one

[clear gust]

steelskin till i accumulate enough armor for molten shell to be better

is what i plan on

is the new passive tree available yet?

[odd steeple]

Leap Slam-Faster Attacks-Fortify-Endurance Charge on Melee Stun

no, not yet

[clear gust]

i'm a bit worried about it

[wintry lantern]

Balance manifesto tonight, Patch notes and tree tomorrow

[clear gust]

ah ok

[odd steeple]

The only thing I'd worry about for your build in particular is the Fortify/Armor cluster

[clear gust]

yea

[odd steeple]

Cause it was gone in the spoiled legion jewel thing (The incoming damage conversion one)

But we know fortify is getting buffs on the tree

And I assume they want Molten Shell/Armor interaction to be good, since they've talked about it so much

[clear gust]

i had crazy amount of armor with all the flasks/auras

iirc with everything up it wasa over 50k