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dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:59 AM

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I've crashed instances with much less than that

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 8:59 AM

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at 20 stacks you're already at 2M poison dps, things WILL be dead

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unless you want to do a low poison damage for the lulz, but meh

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that kinda defeats the point

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:59 AM

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What I'm going for isn't a poison build tho

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Just a normal hit build for viper strike

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 9:00 AM

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so you should have enough damage that things vanish before you get to stack poisons

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even at mid-level gear

wild arch May 31, 2019, 9:00 AM

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With poison firestorm totems for bosses

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Let them cook for a little bit

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Then 1 shot

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 9:01 AM

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eh, that has meme potential

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I suppose

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With a 2hander then, for maximum bullshit single hit damage :

wild arch May 31, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Nah

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Trash 1h from the beach

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vanity

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 9:02 AM

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You'd need a lot of scaling for that though :p

wild arch May 31, 2019, 9:03 AM

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With an infinitely scaling melee indigon the only scaling you need is time

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 9:03 AM

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and your instance to not crash

wild arch May 31, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Am I the only one not experiencing performance issues?

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People keep talking about lags and crashes

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I've played since harbinger and never had any issues

dusty cove May 31, 2019, 9:05 AM

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only when i get betryal encounter

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 9:06 AM

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I don't have any issues

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 9:06 AM

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I've lost important maps to random crashes

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 9:06 AM

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but if you really try to go infinite scaling

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you have a much higher likelyhood of crashing the instances

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when the calculations become bullshit

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 9:06 AM

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My fire mage could easily crash instances unless i went with dual obliterations

wild arch May 31, 2019, 9:07 AM

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The most taxing build I've done so far was cast on block

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 9:07 AM

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I think mine would have to be the good ol' whispering ice

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back in the days

high crown May 31, 2019, 9:07 AM

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does it break the the rules to use an ahk macro to count and autorelease at 6 stacks using blade flurry?

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 9:07 AM

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with cwdt firestorm curse on hit and cwdt frost wall IC

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Cosmo, I'd assume it does

wet plaza May 31, 2019, 9:07 AM

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yes it breaks the ToS

high crown May 31, 2019, 9:07 AM

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ok thx

wild arch May 31, 2019, 9:08 AM

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My build was casting 72 spells per second BlobbleWobble

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 9:08 AM

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That was my betrayal build

wild arch May 31, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Cast when stunned was fun

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 9:11 AM

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The issue with it is that it slowed down, and if it did so constantly, it'd eventuially crash the server

sinful hazel May 31, 2019, 1:18 PM

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i heard something about infinite poison and i inda wanna make one XP

wild arch May 31, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Assassin has a node that increases poison duration for every stack you apply

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So they easily rack up several minutes worth of duration

static token May 31, 2019, 3:26 PM

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I am somewhat interested to see what kind of qol improvements Viper Strike will get to take advantage of.

fallen tulip May 31, 2019, 3:31 PM

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poison and bleed are being changed somehow

wet plaza May 31, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Got a rough source? Missed that announcement

wild arch May 31, 2019, 3:39 PM

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If all they did was add a chance for it to double strike and some flat damage then I'm perfectly happy tbh

fallen tulip May 31, 2019, 3:40 PM

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i think it was in the development manifesto

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or some Q&A

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i can look for it a bit

wet plaza May 31, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Would be cool. Missing dots after playing them in lepoch for a while now

fallen tulip May 31, 2019, 3:41 PM

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lepoch dots are bretty nice

wild arch May 31, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Oh and some changes to dagger nodes to actually make them worth using vanity

fallen tulip May 31, 2019, 3:41 PM

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just laggy as all hell once you get scaling

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ok first thing i found was "Elemental Equilibrium and Overload changes come with a whole host of associated re-balances, especially to Burning, Ignite and Cold Damage over Time. We'll be doing this as a major balance pass alongside a future league, but we've yet to decide which."

rapid solar May 31, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Did they say if there would be spell daggers?

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They said so about staves

wild arch May 31, 2019, 3:42 PM

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I'm pretty sure

compact junco May 31, 2019, 3:42 PM

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they said there will be spell daggers and melee staves or something, I think?

rapid solar May 31, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Finally you don't have to use wands and actually get a decent chance at rolling something while leveling?

compact junco May 31, 2019, 3:43 PM

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as long as you will get the base, i guess yes

wild arch May 31, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Do you even want to bother with crit early tho?

compact junco May 31, 2019, 3:44 PM

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well, whirling blades! :d

rapid solar May 31, 2019, 3:44 PM

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no but Spell Daggers is way easier to roll than wands

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if they can't roll Attack Damage mods

wet plaza May 31, 2019, 3:44 PM

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@fallen tulip nice thanks

wild arch May 31, 2019, 3:45 PM

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You can just keep some white daggers on weapon swap for movement

rapid solar May 31, 2019, 3:45 PM

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This is more about rolling something decent while leveling

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Than movement

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you're usually using flame dash anyway

fallen tulip May 31, 2019, 3:47 PM

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the projectile size thing " Frostbolt, Freezing Pulse, Holy Flame Totem, Spectral Shield Throw, Spirit Burst, Scourge Arrow, Wild Strike, Lancing Steel and Shattering Steel"

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is purifying flame not big enough to be a problem then?

wild arch May 31, 2019, 3:47 PM

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What's that again

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Forgot that they added holy spells other than ire

rapid solar May 31, 2019, 3:49 PM

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PF wasn't that interesting

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Whoosh - Boom

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with rather mediocre damage

wild arch May 31, 2019, 3:50 PM

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I wish they'd get rid of soul eater from zerphi's heart

fallen tulip May 31, 2019, 3:50 PM

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pf was pretty interesting

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PF traps is good

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and spell echo on PF

wild arch May 31, 2019, 3:50 PM

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I want to use ele ailments with chaos damage

rapid solar May 31, 2019, 3:50 PM

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it would be if it could hit with both the beam and the explosion on the same target

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similar to how GC can hit a target 2-3 times

fallen tulip May 31, 2019, 3:51 PM

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true but the wave is just for clearing i suppose

wild arch May 31, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Ignite ire with trickster, zh, stormfire, hrimburn and brotherhood

steep plover May 31, 2019, 4:04 PM

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hrimburn & brotherhood feels like overkill? Why not just use phys to lightning support

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or better yet, wrath watchers eyes

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Do you guys think the frozen-in-time legion dudes can be knocked back?

tough roost May 31, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Probably not while frozen

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Damn

wild arch May 31, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Zh lets chaos damage ignite

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Goodbye to vacuum ciclone :/

wild arch May 31, 2019, 4:12 PM

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The more conversions you stack the more you squeeze out of non chaos as extra chaos

outer rose May 31, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Waiting on those ascendancy teasers like mad

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compact junco May 31, 2019, 5:22 PM

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name checks out

wild arch May 31, 2019, 5:22 PM

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@dusty salmon I just got an idea for reverse kb cyclone

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Make it a bleed build

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 5:22 PM

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hm?

wild arch May 31, 2019, 5:23 PM

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And force the enemies to move for bonus damage

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Then again that also applies to normal kb

outer rose May 31, 2019, 5:25 PM

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bahaha i used this name from transformers, and for my wow warrior who whirlwinds a lot. definitely a cyclone league starter for me though. why fight it?

wild arch May 31, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Why not bladestorm?

outer rose May 31, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Well that too.

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Why not both.

wild arch May 31, 2019, 5:27 PM

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[Darude sandstorm intensifies]

outer rose May 31, 2019, 5:27 PM

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I suspect i'll be playing a few different builds haha

lyric burrow May 31, 2019, 5:46 PM

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same cyclonus, im clearing up toon slots so i can do atleast 5 builds/toons

night plover May 31, 2019, 5:56 PM

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prepared 3 slots by now, flagged one more for delete...

marble rock May 31, 2019, 6:23 PM

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purifying flame is not a projectile, it's a point and click aoe

fallen tulip May 31, 2019, 6:25 PM

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related to what?

wide totem May 31, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Anyone else feeling starved for reveals?

copper kernel May 31, 2019, 7:59 PM

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not really

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its early in nz

placid grotto May 31, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Ehhh I'm waiting for something that gets me excited to be honest

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so far, they've felt rather lackluster. Jewels that are gated behind 2-3 layers of RNG, the melee rework is nice but I'll have to see patch notes if it's good enough

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Chieftain rework feels kind of like a nerf because nodes are broken up

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I can understand the change to Immortal Call but I don't recall hearing that monsters were changed to compensate

ivory nimbus May 31, 2019, 8:02 PM

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The defensive option reveals I thought were plenty exciting

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That's a huge change

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So many builds just did cwdt ic just because

placid grotto May 31, 2019, 8:03 PM

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yeah and I agree that was degenerate

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it felt like you had to do that

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if you didn't, you were gimping yourself

rapid solar May 31, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Now you just die to spikers... what's not to like about that? 😄

placid grotto May 31, 2019, 8:04 PM

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lol

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I'm a softcore scrub. I'll bury them in 6 bodies then never come back

fallen tulip May 31, 2019, 8:30 PM

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i like getting reveals when i wake up

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think im gonna go sleep so i can wake up to new reveals

fair prairie May 31, 2019, 8:36 PM

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I would guess we will see a reveal in roughly 1 and a half hours

snow cairn May 31, 2019, 8:41 PM

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bex is already up so it's probably be soonish

tulip warren May 31, 2019, 9:05 PM

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spikers? lol at not playing some combination of dodge/block/shatter

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if post-mortem effects check people from just using ehp as their only defense that seems reasonable

violet nymph May 31, 2019, 9:10 PM

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My previous character didnt have a problem with porcupines at all. And was a life based spell caster.
Tbf tho its purifying flame cheiftian with life recovery out the ass so so long as i dont vet oneshot ill live through anything

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But it didn't have corpse destruction sooo just get tankier bois :^)

last river May 31, 2019, 9:46 PM

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I was expecting a little more from a gladiator rework tbh

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I'm not even sure if the tailwind node is worth taking, given how you're sacrificing either bleedsplosions or spell block for it

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 9:47 PM

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I'm 100% going flicker glad

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this is basically perfect

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I'll have to fit in an enduring cry as I won't be playing with dual wield but meh

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it's otherwise perfect

tulip warren May 31, 2019, 9:50 PM

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so:
nerf/buff to minor nodes (4% increased attackspeed rather than 5%, global instead of one handed weapons only)
tailwind node (you're in blood stance by default so you dont technically have to use the reservation)

rapid solar May 31, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Huh? You need to reserve to even be in any I think

tulip warren May 31, 2019, 9:50 PM

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they've specified for blood/sandstorm that you're in blood by default

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if you're not using the aura

rapid solar May 31, 2019, 9:51 PM

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I think that's when you activate it

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it starts on blood

quartz dome May 31, 2019, 9:51 PM

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well that at least gives blocktank gladi's a fourth major to grab now

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instead of vainly doing the charge one

tulip warren May 31, 2019, 9:51 PM

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and spell caster gladiators have a better node too

modest wadi May 31, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Uh, so they nerf the small passives and add a single notable for blood/sand where are the melee buffs again?

tulip warren May 31, 2019, 9:57 PM

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dunno why they reduced the passives but putting the small passives as global opens up the ascendancy considerably

modest wadi May 31, 2019, 9:58 PM

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not since the block notables only count for 1h weapons

silver kettle May 31, 2019, 9:59 PM

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With the extra node you can feasibly ignore the block nodes now

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Gladiator's biggest problem has always been that whatever you did with it there were only three nodes you wanted

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Now that's fixed

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Well not always, but since they moved the explosions

rigid scaffold May 31, 2019, 10:04 PM

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what do you mean they moved the explosions

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they're exactly where they are on live

odd steeple May 31, 2019, 10:05 PM

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The explosions used to be a 2-pointer way back when

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They moved them and Gladiator was basically a dead build for a while, until HoAg resurrected their viability

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Now you can't get bleedsplosions + the block nodes, but you can get pseudo-Tailwind + the block nodes, so maybe attack Gladiators are back

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Or you can get Bleedsplosions + Tailwind which is like melee clearspeed version of Deadeye

rigid scaffold May 31, 2019, 10:08 PM

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There's a decent reason to not go for bleedsplosions; 10% more physical damage + 20% more attack and move speed is pretty great

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w/ Outmatch

odd steeple May 31, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Why do you need to give up Bleedsplosions to do that? The melee clearspeed build will be Bleedsplosions + Outmatch/Outlast + Tailwind v.2

quaint sentinel May 31, 2019, 10:13 PM

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I think you just go 1,2,3,4,13,14,5,6

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That's your 8

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Order prob depends

odd steeple May 31, 2019, 10:13 PM

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I agree except why on earth take Outmatch/Outlast before any of the others

quaint sentinel May 31, 2019, 10:15 PM

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That list wasn't in any particular order

quartz dome May 31, 2019, 11:03 PM

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actually I wonder how good Rearguard Gladiator will be when I think about the asp changes and the double-block keystone

wild arch May 31, 2019, 11:04 PM

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marauderthinking

lucid stone May 31, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Well I'm glad I dont play glad.

karmic quarry May 31, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Still only 3 nodes you "want". I hate outmatch and outlast

quartz dome May 31, 2019, 11:23 PM

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yeah rearguard gladi should actually be sorta easy to build with the double-block keystone

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only need 38% block

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rearguard gives 24

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you can either do the staff block nodes with lioneye's fall, or you can use iron fortress with STR stacking

wild arch May 31, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Or a few reckless defenses

quartz dome May 31, 2019, 11:24 PM

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yeah

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staff block nodes gives 36

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so you'd need at least one reckless defense or an abyss +2 block on hit recently jewel

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I'm leaning toward iron fortress being secretly pretty good with the double-block keystone though

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if not really good

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especially if, unrelated, you run baron necromancer with it

wild arch May 31, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Eeeeeeeeh

outer rose May 31, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Glad could be really nice if the base damage of the abilities ends up amped up. Herald of Blood lol.

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I just want a satisfying crunch of something audibly when they explode.

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Why is the idea of fighting 1h/shield so abhorrent? lol

quartz dome May 31, 2019, 11:37 PM

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stupid bonus: if you somehow get 1900 strength you don't even need a shield

wild arch May 31, 2019, 11:41 PM

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1900 isn't that hard

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What I want to know is if there's a way to block with a non staff 2h

quartz dome May 31, 2019, 11:43 PM

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yes

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iron fortress

wild arch May 31, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Most of the nodes are block chance with staff/shield/dual wield

quartz dome May 31, 2019, 11:43 PM

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any source of block that doesn't specify that you need a weapon

wild arch May 31, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

quartz dome May 31, 2019, 11:43 PM

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ie. the anvil

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but like I said, Iron Fortress with 1900 strength is 75% block chance with no need for a shield

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if you go gladi that gives you ... 56? % spell block too

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with a twohander

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or with oni-g

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of course 1900 assumes you're using double-block node; otherwise you need 3750 strength

buoyant arrow Jun 1, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Any1 noticed that suddenly bow glad bleed+maim makes sense

copper kernel Jun 1, 2019, 12:02 AM

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shame bleed isnt worth investing into

silver kettle Jun 1, 2019, 12:02 AM

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hopefully the bleed buffs are substantial enough to make it worth

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still haven't heard anything about those

plush zealot Jun 1, 2019, 12:03 AM

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holy shit gladiator has MORE movespeed

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MORE BOIS

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 12:06 AM

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I'm expecting absolutely nothing from the bleed buffs

silver kettle Jun 1, 2019, 12:07 AM

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that's probably the correct approach

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but man I want it to be something

plush zealot Jun 1, 2019, 12:08 AM

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10% mana reserved for 20% MORE attk speed and MORE movespeed

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gonna faint

buoyant arrow Jun 1, 2019, 12:09 AM

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where more atk speed?

plush zealot Jun 1, 2019, 12:16 AM

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1

📎 attkspd.png

marsh wagon Jun 1, 2019, 12:22 AM

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i don't do those classes but was cheiftian and gladiator good or bad? aye or nay? overall...

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 12:32 AM

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@marsh wagon Gladiator not a rework but has a better fourth pointer when going full block and no bleed, Chieftain made a vastly better fire generalist and gained less versatile but more consistent endurance charge generation

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Cheiftian was good.
Glad tbh needs the frenzy/endurnce charge node needed a rework imo

marsh wagon Jun 1, 2019, 12:42 AM

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so nothing really bad? we can fairly say GGG didn't mess up?

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 12:43 AM

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The Glad change is extremely underwhelming

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It didn't ruin the ascendancy or anything

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but it wasn't really a rework

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 12:43 AM

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outlast and outmatch needed some kind of non kill consistent charge generation

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not sure if challenger charges do anything beyond scaling attack/move speed from the node but hopefully

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otherwise that node essentially amounts to 20 attack/move speed which is really good

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but is it really good as an ascendancy node? mnnn?

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 12:44 AM

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here's my idea for outmatch and outlast

Each second, 30% chance to gain an Endurance Charge per nearby Rare of Unique Enemy while in Blood Stance
10% more Physical Damage while at maximum Frenzy Charges
10% reduced Physical Damage taken while at maximum Endurance Charges```

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easily integrates to the stance mechanic

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 12:45 AM

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I'm wondering how mandatory the stances will be and should be to building a gladiator though?

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 12:45 AM

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@covert helm compare to Gathering Winds on Deadeye

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both are ~20% more multipliers to speed

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 12:46 AM

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OH

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It is more

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I thought it was increased

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That's waaay better.

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 12:47 AM

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yep, you get like 16% increased attack speed and 20% more attack speed from Gladiator now, dunno if that works out to more than Raider or not but it sounds pretty good

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I think with investment in attack speed it is, easily?

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 12:48 AM

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I want to see what they did with Slayer...

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Outmatch and Outlast not changing hurts whether I'd jump on the gladiator bandwagon

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 12:49 AM

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I mean Outlast has always basically just been 10% more physical on the builds I play on gladiator

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because Blood Rage is obvious on any build that cares about damage anyways, and dual-wield gladiator is meh

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 12:50 AM

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I hope they address all of the dual wield nodes like the caster nodes they messed with last patch

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(I fully expect they will)

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 12:51 AM

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what do you want them to address? they're pretty good as is for any phys build

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 12:54 AM

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So long as zerker gets a good treatment ill be happy

silver kettle Jun 1, 2019, 12:55 AM

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Zerker and Slayer were the two classes I played the most of from 2.2–3.1 so I'm nervous

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 12:59 AM

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They've gone on the GGG rollercoaster of outlandish nerfs and buffs.

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 1:00 AM

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ok here I go again

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50% chance to gain an Endurance Charge when you gain a Frenzy Charge

10% more Physical Damage while at maximum Frenzy Charges

10% reduced Physical Damage taken while at maximum Endurance Charges```

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O&O

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high uptime, low gain rate

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:01 AM

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The endurance charge gain seems liable to fall off?

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:01 AM

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If you don't invest or don't otherwise generate, yeah

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:01 AM

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At base 10 second duration for each, you have 25% chance even with perfect play to lose your endurance charges

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 1:01 AM

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If you have at least ten seconds of duration you're good

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and if it flukes just use enduring cry

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:01 AM

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And then phased bosses happen

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And your keystone becomes useless

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:02 AM

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-Whenever you gain a Challenger Charge in Blood Stance, Gain and Endurance Charge.
-Whenever you gain a Challenger Charge in Sand Stance, Gain a Frenzy Charge.
-Gain a Challenger charge on Block
-10% more Physical Damage while at maximum Frenzy Charges
-10% reduced Physical Damage taken while at maximum Endurance Charges

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Phased bosses are getting adds, generally speaking

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:02 AM

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I think part of the problem is that that node is supposed to encourage dual-wielding

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And none of these proposals do

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Yup

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 1:03 AM

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that's why it's a rework

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it's a weak-ass way to encourage dual wield and it'd be nicer if it were a real node

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:03 AM

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It's a real node

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:03 AM

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I wouldnt take it if I was dual wield and playing Gladiator lol.

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:04 AM

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I would, 10% more phys is good

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:04 AM

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It's a clear-oriented node that requires some work to be used for bosses but that can be built around

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:04 AM

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but only if you're phys

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 1:04 AM

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it doesn't provide any charge gen

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:04 AM

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(Or phys conversion)

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 1:04 AM

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like look at swift killer

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that thing is the benchmark for a dual-charge node

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+1 to both maximums, guaranteed gain while channelling, 5% per each

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Because trickster is the channelbuild

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Sure, sustaining frenzy charges on bosses is always a nightmare except for Trickster and a few niche things

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(and Raider)

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:05 AM

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trickster cyclone is my main consideration for this league.

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:05 AM

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It's THE channeling ascendancy, and channelers have very little actual options to sustain frenzies

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:05 AM

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I think Gladiator Cyclone will be really good

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:05 AM

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but I'd like to see all the ascendancy reworks first.

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:05 AM

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I'm assuming slayer and zerker will be cyclonable

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:06 AM

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Since you get full benefit out of attack speed AND movement speed, and explosions are great

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:06 AM

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But yeah glad looks especially good for a clearspeed cyclone

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Hard to beat a dual foil champion or a shroud trickster though, for bossing

marsh wagon Jun 1, 2019, 1:06 AM

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Looks like a 6 on a scale of 1-10. Not perfect but above fail tier

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:06 AM

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hopefully they don't gut bane of legends, it feels like the one thing Slayer still has lol.

marsh wagon Jun 1, 2019, 1:06 AM

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these cheif/glad

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:06 AM

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Man, ghazzy made a cyclone bv righteous fire video already. Wtf

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:07 AM

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I like the Chief changes more than the Gladiator changes.

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Same

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:07 AM

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It does feel harder to pick 8 nodes though since stuff is more spread out

marsh wagon Jun 1, 2019, 1:07 AM

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all agree above fail tier?

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:07 AM

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I mean Glad was already good-ish

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Well, yeah, the Chieftain was a full Rework, Glad was just adding a bit of power since it was missing a reason to play it

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Chieftain was a worse hierophant

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Yeah id put them at a solid 7 now @marsh wagon

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Kinda like raider is a worse trickster atm

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:08 AM

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I think they're certainly improvements, but the big thing holding me back from gladiator IS outmatch outlast charge generation.

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:08 AM

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^

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:08 AM

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I don't think charge generation should hold anyone back from anything, IMO

marsh wagon Jun 1, 2019, 1:08 AM

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if all the changes are above fail tier, that's a good start!

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:08 AM

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It's just not that hard to generate charges, unless you're a dedicated bosser

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 1:08 AM

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I mean I play most of my melee builds as ruletrail so I supposd O&O doesn't really bother me tbh

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And glad seems especially good for that

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With the inbuild 50% bleed chance

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:09 AM

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It's like Pathfinder -- sustaining flasks is a minor challenge for everyone except Pathfinder, but that on its own isn't really a reason to pick a class except in weird cases like Writhing Jar

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:09 AM

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I might go through with it just cuz the 20% move speed and bleed explosions built in is nice.

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:10 AM

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You can plan your builds around multiple things.

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If I'm not playing pathfinder I'm probably counting on my flasks not always being up against bosses.

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 1:10 AM

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50% chance to gain an Endurance Charge when you gain a Frenzy Charge
10% more Physical Damage while at maximum Frenzy Charges
10% reduced Physical Damage taken while at maximum Endurance Charges```

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agane

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:10 AM

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But I want probably want my charges lol. :3

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:10 AM

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The reason Trickster is so good is the crazy defensive buffs for all types of defenses and reasonable damage on flexible builds, not because it has free charge generation

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 1:10 AM

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dual wield interaction

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:11 AM

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I didn't even use the charge generation on my chaos trickster last league, it wasn't more consistent damage than prolonged pain.

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If I'm going to roll it as a melee though I'd like consistency.

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:12 AM

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The thing is Blood Rage is super consistent uptime, it just takes a bit of micromanagement

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:12 AM

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you mean with like writhing jar?

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Except on bosses, but judging by Challenger Charges and the way they work, it sounds like Gladiator is supposed to be clearspeed focused like a melee Deadeye or something

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:13 AM

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It procs on rare or unique enemies while in blood stance

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:13 AM

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No, I just mean refreshing the buff every time you zone in or run a long distance

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:13 AM

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you'd probably proc blind from sand and swap to blood to maintain challenger charges

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Right, but 20% more movement speed is a clearspeed thing

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Movement speed is love, movement speed is life.

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:14 AM

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If you take all of gladiator's damage/explosion nodes you get a super fast character with zero defenses, like Deadeye

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And if you're taking the three block nodes, then who on earth is choosing Outlast over challenger charges anyways?

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:15 AM

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I try to balance my defenses a bit more than that D:

gentle ermine Jun 1, 2019, 1:16 AM

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📎 c51k5bkv8m131.png

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:17 AM

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@odd steeple you are right tbh

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You either take the zoom clear speed nodes or the defensive nodes with the new nodes cuz they are just reliable

covert helm Jun 1, 2019, 1:18 AM

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It's kind of hard because of how many block nodes there are unfortunately.

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I kind of expect the new melee skills to clear better and hope that the bleed nodes wouldnt be mandatory for clear speed.

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:20 AM

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I dont plan on touching block any time soon. I find the mechanic to be rather uninteresting, and like to go fast. So might just play speed glad

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:21 AM

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I made a MSPaint build for lulz for clearspeed gladiator

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https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/bveyce/more_gladiating_a_mspaint_cyclone_gladiator/

r/pathofexile - More Gladiating - A MSPaint Cyclone Gladiator

0 votes and 4 comments so far on Reddit

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Also the bleed explosions will be beneficial regardless for clearspeed cuz of procupines

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Yes, especially now that IC isn't full immunity

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Yup

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So regardless it'll be helpful to have

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Just for extra safety for speed clear

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:23 AM

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I'm gonna miss IC on basically all my non-juggernaut builds

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:23 AM

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Lol

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:23 AM

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It was a great way to avoid needing endurance charges

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Now every build needs to generate endurance charges whether or not you use IC

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Also with changes to melee/spell and phye/ele damage affecting stun, pure physical does have an advantage for that if they are also melee.

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Cuz endurance charge on melee stun support

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Tidebreaker chieftain tec slam hnnng

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Man 10% mana reservation for 20% movespeed and attack speed sounds too good to be true tho

proven wadi Jun 1, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Sign of sin eater + alms shield

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Lepers alms

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Idk what the point of it would be but there is synergy there

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 2:05 AM

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Got it!

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Wait no.

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Yeah it's tricky

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IDK of any way to get enemies to inflict ailments on you on purpose

languid path Jun 1, 2019, 2:08 AM

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self curse

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 2:08 AM

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ooh ooh hm

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okay gluttony can make you take physical damage

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could do a watcher's eye with phys as cold / phys as lightning lol

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 2:11 AM

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There's like Mokou's Embrace rings, for example

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 2:11 AM

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the trick is that I don't think ailments besides ignite are consistently self-inflictable?

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 2:12 AM

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well, you can use Reckless Defense and Brass Dome, for example?

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and then a little phys as various elements

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 2:12 AM

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there's a threshold required before ailments will be inflicted

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 2:12 AM

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yes, that's true

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you can shock with Vinktar's Flask

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 2:13 AM

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ooh yes

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 2:13 AM

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bleed and poison with Golden Rule

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 2:14 AM

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unfortunately Leper's Alms is elemental ailments only

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 2:14 AM

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ahh right

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 2:14 AM

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I tried doing poison loop with golden rule

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did not work

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 2:14 AM

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you can also freeze yourself with the whole Winterheart, Auxium thing

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Sin Eater mace is mainly for the minion interactions I think

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level 30 smite is 25-479 flat damage on the aura

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and that IS, I believe, affected by aura modifiers

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Yes, I think so, can link to Generosity for example

kindred dagger Jun 1, 2019, 2:30 AM

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ok not sure the new unique item sign of the sin does it seems good ? like smite level 30 seems nice but it could be a bait, the fact that YOU take ailment i dont understand, in the end what the staff is made for party giving a new layer of tanking for party members.

Or as templar is good with minion build and smite too, it will give your minion a new layer a protection right ?

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 2:32 AM

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The level 30 Smite is the main appeal

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it provides about double the flat damage a Wrath aura would

kindred dagger Jun 1, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Oh yeah, you think that add that much ?

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Oh wow that seems a lot

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 2:33 AM

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It's very powerful, and can be amplified further with Generosity

kindred dagger Jun 1, 2019, 2:33 AM

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and that gives a free gem slot which is nice too

last river Jun 1, 2019, 3:25 AM

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The mace will absolutely suck in your own weapon slot but it'll be amazing on an animated guardian

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The only question is whether it's common enough to take advantage of that

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And I don't think it will be, seeing how it'll almost certainly come from a legion boss

north dragon Jun 1, 2019, 3:30 AM

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just use ele focus on smite and u wont get that shock i think

snow cairn Jun 1, 2019, 3:31 AM

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why would you not want shock?

north dragon Jun 1, 2019, 3:31 AM

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you're using it for aura

snow cairn Jun 1, 2019, 3:31 AM

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so link it to generocity

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and faster attacks + aoe or something

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ele focus doesn't do anything for the aura

north dragon Jun 1, 2019, 3:32 AM

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still get shocked since you're converting 50% to lightning

snow cairn Jun 1, 2019, 3:32 AM

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get shocked?

north dragon Jun 1, 2019, 3:32 AM

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nvm i read it wrongly

snow cairn Jun 1, 2019, 3:33 AM

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😄

north dragon Jun 1, 2019, 3:33 AM

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i thought aliments will be afflicted on you instead of enemies

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facepalm

last river Jun 1, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Actually wait

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can AGs use abilities on items given to them?

languid path Jun 1, 2019, 4:06 AM

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no

solid nova Jun 1, 2019, 4:10 AM

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yeah, that would take an obscene amount of coding work on GGG's part

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Not even ngamahus works

ember hill Jun 1, 2019, 4:46 AM

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that level 30 smite gives x2 damage level 20 wrath gives

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OP for aurabots

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also gives allies ailment immunity

true bridge Jun 1, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Little late to the Gladiator reveal stuff, but does anyone know what Challenger Charges do? It must be something more than just what the node says but it doesn't have the subtext that explains the mechanics

languid path Jun 1, 2019, 5:36 AM

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literally on 2% more asp and ms per charge

true bridge Jun 1, 2019, 5:38 AM

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I was just hoping for more I guess. I know it's strong as it's a more multiplier but it just seems like a weak "rework" for an ascendancy with a few boring notables.

kindred dagger Jun 1, 2019, 5:45 AM

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Yeah seems this one didnt get much love but in the end isnt it a good class anyway ?

true bridge Jun 1, 2019, 5:47 AM

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That's true. I hope the Slayer and Zerker reworks have a few more changes in them to look at.

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Nah not in my book

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Too narrow for what it tries to be

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For me there's no reason to ever pick a glad

marsh wagon Jun 1, 2019, 5:50 AM

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overall it seems its considered adequate though it didn't meet the expectations of some

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adequate is good

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it means they didn't fail

tough roost Jun 1, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Gladiator is pretty solid anyway, not like it couldn't use a few tweaks to core nodes, but either way it'll be fine

fallen tulip Jun 1, 2019, 6:01 AM

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not too impressed by the rework

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happy it kept the bleedsplosions

snow cairn Jun 1, 2019, 6:01 AM

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they added a node, hardly a rework

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 6:18 AM

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This plus pathing still shit in terms of nodes are rpetty much set on glad which is kinda boring

rapid solar Jun 1, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Honestly, I could see Sand Stance Glads picking this up first lab dominating races left and right

fair prairie Jun 1, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Only happy confident people are glad.

fallen tulip Jun 1, 2019, 7:14 AM

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dominating races due to 20% more movement speed?`

marsh wagon Jun 1, 2019, 7:16 AM

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there's a lot of new moby skills

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with a combination of flame dash and this need dashy thing

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maybe u can clear a lot faster overall

fallen tulip Jun 1, 2019, 7:17 AM

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cast and go

frigid raptor Jun 1, 2019, 7:28 AM

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what can work with the new gladiator ascendancy?

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 7:31 AM

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It's the same as before basically nothing really changed besides the one new node

rapid solar Jun 1, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Except you can now also play with two handers properly

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 7:42 AM

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@frigid raptor the new node works off the two new skills, a 10% mana reservation skill called blood and sand, and a 25% mana reservation skill called flesh and stone. Both work with it as they enable stances.

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 7:45 AM

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your twohanders dont get block from the minors so its still kinda eh

dusty cove Jun 1, 2019, 8:04 AM

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give slayer changes already templarLul

fallen tulip Jun 1, 2019, 8:17 AM

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so you lose 6% attack block at best

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 8:21 AM

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Yeah still a shame for bow chars

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Guys

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10% more phys at max frenzy is decent, right?

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Has anyone considered ahn's gladiator? beastWoke

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Don't need to worry about upkeeping max charges if your max is 0

livid lake Jun 1, 2019, 9:10 AM

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its had that node since forever

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 9:11 AM

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I know

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But has anyone actually considered this

languid path Jun 1, 2019, 9:13 AM

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is that supposed to be rhetorical?

livid lake Jun 1, 2019, 9:15 AM

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2 weapons and a jewel for 10% more phys damage is a little inefficient

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 9:15 AM

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Tell that to thiccjugg

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He gets what? 10% increased attack speed out of it?

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And it's still a popular budget combo

livid lake Jun 1, 2019, 9:18 AM

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5%

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 9:18 AM

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That's even worse

livid lake Jun 1, 2019, 9:19 AM

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i mean it works for sure, but its not like holy shit broken mechanics

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Not every build can be winter orb

dull epoch Jun 1, 2019, 12:14 PM

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wait do you know what item comes out of incubators?

languid path Jun 1, 2019, 12:16 PM

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you know the type of item

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currency, unique, div, etc

dull epoch Jun 1, 2019, 12:16 PM

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ah ok thanks

mental apex Jun 1, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Is the new node on the gladiator actually enough to make glad good again?
Other than for block builds?

void juniper Jun 1, 2019, 12:49 PM

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have to wait for skill gems

mental apex Jun 1, 2019, 12:51 PM

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It was the one class I really really wanted to see the rework on (other than raider) and it hardly got changed 😂😭😂😭😂😭

dusty cove Jun 1, 2019, 1:12 PM

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i want to see rework of slayer the most

void juniper Jun 1, 2019, 1:15 PM

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that might be out today right

static token Jun 1, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Zerker seems more likely to be interesting. Even if the Slayer rework is good it's probably going to be fairly bland.

knotty yew Jun 1, 2019, 2:18 PM

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slayer/zerker will likely be the most extensive ones

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gladiator was already fine as an ascendancy, mostly

mental apex Jun 1, 2019, 2:27 PM

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It was, good for bleed/block. Tho the frenzy/endurance charge node was always a little depressing cause you have do use frenzy skill on single targets to keep em up.

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Do you think they'll buff the frenzy attack to be useable as a main skill? marauderthinking

fallen tulip Jun 1, 2019, 2:47 PM

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if it can mob it can be built

dusty cove Jun 1, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Frenzy is great as a trigger skill

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Do wonder if they something with puncture

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Just make puncture do double ailment damage or something

static token Jun 1, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Slayer needs the least changed to be honest. It is 90% there, just some numbers too low, some moving around like the Chief. And maybe one good new node and it's a top ascendancy.

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 3:06 PM

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eh

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disagree

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lots of things he has is now handed out really easily

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besides the cull most things arent that great anymore

languid path Jun 1, 2019, 3:10 PM

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Slayer new charge: Leech charges: 5% more life recovery rate per charges, max 10 charges

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ez

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 3:12 PM

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21% more ias and ms

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:^)

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Isn't the free melee splash kinda pointless now?

dusty cove Jun 1, 2019, 3:14 PM

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it was always kinda pointless

languid path Jun 1, 2019, 3:14 PM

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no, I swear I've told 50 people the same thing

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 3:14 PM

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And the guaranteed stun node is kinda redundant since they're making leap slam stun on full life

dusty cove Jun 1, 2019, 3:14 PM

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isnce you then had to give up mega cull or mega leech

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 3:14 PM

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I kind of expect big changes

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 3:15 PM

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It's like glad. It has basically fixed paths you take

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 3:15 PM

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I hope it's not just attempt #3 to make leech good-but-not-broken

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 3:15 PM

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You want cull and leech bam ascendancy done

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Glad? Block and splosion

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Kinda boring

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Glad is melee Deadeye now, which is kinda cool

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I think people are underestimating the impact a node like that can have

dusty cove Jun 1, 2019, 3:16 PM

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idk deadeye can still be used for more skills

compact junco Jun 1, 2019, 3:16 PM

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yeah, for projectile and/or bow skills

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but glad being fast alternative for melee is sweet

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Sure it can, Gladiator can be used for a ton of things too

dusty cove Jun 1, 2019, 3:17 PM

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and spells

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Why would you go any new acendancy when you can just play Cylon Trickster? :^)

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Deadeye is even good for some melee stuff

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Yeah, and Gladiator will be OK for some ranged and spells stuff too, like if you just want max MS it's as good as Deadeye

wet plaza Jun 1, 2019, 3:18 PM

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blobdoubt

dusty cove Jun 1, 2019, 3:19 PM

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idk rather have the action speed over just move speed

compact junco Jun 1, 2019, 3:19 PM

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its move and attack speed

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 3:25 PM

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There are obviously some differences, like Deadeye gets 1000 flat evasion so more synergy with QotF and action speed means spellcasting and trap/mine throwing is better, but I think the two are really pretty close

tawdry axle Jun 1, 2019, 8:24 PM

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so i know the FAQ said that there was a case by case for on death mechanics for legion, but does anyone know if ED/contagion will spread when you unlock one?

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 8:31 PM

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It was a maybe

summer magnet Jun 1, 2019, 8:40 PM

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@languid path leech charges, that gives life recovery rate? 🤔 You drunk son?

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 9:02 PM

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@tawdry axle pretty much guaranteed

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any on-kill effects that don't interact with corpses will likely function

tawdry axle Jun 1, 2019, 9:12 PM

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thanks mate! ❤

sand spade Jun 1, 2019, 9:13 PM

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What about HoI, will that work?

livid apex Jun 1, 2019, 9:26 PM

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That's a bit trickier because that triggers on shattering an enemy which is a corpse related effect

lapis topaz Jun 1, 2019, 9:37 PM

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yea I am willing to bet hoi does not work

silver kettle Jun 1, 2019, 9:47 PM

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The FAQ specifically said that corpse explosions won't function because there's no corpse

gentle ermine Jun 1, 2019, 10:00 PM

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📎 slayer.png

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:02 PM

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yo slayer looks REALLY good now?

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Imo only 2 is good 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

turbid quartz Jun 1, 2019, 10:03 PM

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8 and 10 also look good

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Or Like 2/12/6

runic trellis Jun 1, 2019, 10:03 PM

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12 looks insane to me

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:03 PM

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looks like there's so many options to build around now

urban dagger Jun 1, 2019, 10:04 PM

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I want to see berserker

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:06 PM

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I don't think I like 14? but I like the idea behind it

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2 and 12 are really interesting though imo

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:08 PM

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14 looks insanely good, actually

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:08 PM

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if it had endurance charge generation I'd agree

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:09 PM

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One way to think of it as like free frenzy charges for any build that would have invested in endurance charges

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:09 PM

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14 is garbage. at best it saves you 2-6 skill points

wide totem Jun 1, 2019, 10:09 PM

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2-6 skills points is huge

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Yea no Generation makes it Kinda week imo

wide totem Jun 1, 2019, 10:09 PM

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admittedly

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but the lack of generation is hurting it

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:09 PM

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other way around clueless? you get free endurance charges based on frenzy

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:09 PM

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That's not true, Freddo, because the only time it saves only 6 passives is if you're literally spanning the whole tree

whole radish Jun 1, 2019, 10:09 PM

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glad better

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:10 PM

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I was gonna type 4 at first but I'm sure there's someone crazy enough out there that'd do it

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:10 PM

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I Still dont like Slayer , you need to Chose between cull,leech or the fun stuff....

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:10 PM

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options are good

wide totem Jun 1, 2019, 10:10 PM

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basecrit 8%, will that be effected by a weapons local % crit mod

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:11 PM

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No

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:11 PM

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probably not

whole radish Jun 1, 2019, 10:11 PM

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def not

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:11 PM

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I assume it will be affected by mods that add base crit though, like the chest piece one

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Enables using some otherwise garbage-crit weapons like Atziri's Disfavour or Starforge or something for crit builds

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No, Shadow, I think that's the tradeoff

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:11 PM

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yea, I think 2 is huge

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cause now you can get really low crit bases

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and still have really good crit chance

whole radish Jun 1, 2019, 10:12 PM

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starforge heavy stike meta

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:12 PM

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I think you can't use ICS support or the hatred watcher's eye or elder chest mods or anything to modify base crit any more if you take that node

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:12 PM

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impact is insane for cyclone clearly but what would you give up. 20% cull and 20% ms VS perma leech, reduced dmg, attack speed and 50% increased damage

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:12 PM

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I Like 2, 12 and 10 but then you cNt get the leech and If you dont get the leech why Slayer.

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:12 PM

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So it's kind of like getting 80% of the investment of a full-crit build for free

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You can get the leech

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There's a belt that gives it

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Ment 4

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:13 PM

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And gloves that give half of it

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Sorry on Phone.

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:13 PM

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8 actually looks really good too for some circumstances, immunity to stun and bleed

wide totem Jun 1, 2019, 10:13 PM

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you are gonna be leeching as slayer so it is neat to have stun immunity and bleed is just a nice bonus

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:14 PM

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I really do like how versatile slayer tree is looking though yee

quartz dome Jun 1, 2019, 10:14 PM

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what the fuck @ 14

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Slayer looks super versatile, but I think ultimately less powerful than Gladiator

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The straight damage against uniques is cool and all, but they are also doubling rare's HP pool

copper kernel Jun 1, 2019, 10:15 PM

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14 is the least useful node

wide totem Jun 1, 2019, 10:15 PM

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I like 12

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:15 PM

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I think 14 is gonna be quietly underrated

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:15 PM

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if 14 had endurance charge generation of some sort (even something like doubling amount enduring cry gives or something) it'd be a lott better

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:15 PM

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i strongly dislike 14

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:15 PM

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It's good for high-investment charge builds

wide totem Jun 1, 2019, 10:15 PM

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It's amazing if you can solidly generate endurance charges

whole radish Jun 1, 2019, 10:16 PM

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its poop

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:16 PM

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think about what you're giving up for taking 14 even

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really

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:16 PM

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14 will get really strong I think if you get gear with endurance charge generation though

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Would be awesome If it.had 50% Chance to gain am endurcence Change when you get Frenzy and the Others way

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:16 PM

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ye, something like that too

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:16 PM

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not to mention you would have to get gear with +frenzy charges, and travel at least to ranger tree, possibly even shadow

wide totem Jun 1, 2019, 10:16 PM

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hell 10% when you gain would still have been amazing

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:17 PM

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like if you make an 8-frenzy build, you get 5 endurance charges for free, which is like 20% phys reduction + whatever synergies you have

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:17 PM

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frenzy charges are easy

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:17 PM

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its not for free when you're giving up other strong ascendancy nodes

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:17 PM

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I mean sure, just look at what ascendancies are popular right now: pretty much all of them are strong defensive ones

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:17 PM

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And you still need a way to generate them

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Slayer gets 6% damage reduction while leeching and 14

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that's it

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:18 PM

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yea, I would have liked to see a lot more defense coming in the way of lifesteal

wide totem Jun 1, 2019, 10:18 PM

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red dream?

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:19 PM

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they didn't have any increased maximum recovery rate though so the whole lifesteal gimmick just doesn't really do anything

idle pecan Jun 1, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Do you guys think that gladiator will finally become a "thing" now or will stay as it is?

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:19 PM

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right, Trickster and Chieftain are arguably just better for life leech-based characters right now

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:19 PM

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ye, thematically lifesteal is supposed to the defense for slayer

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but as is there's not really anything special with it

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:20 PM

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I made a build this league, trickster life-based with Soul Tether belt and like 2k ES from the evasion-to-es node

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It was basically immortal

tough roost Jun 1, 2019, 10:20 PM

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I mean Life Leech is still really strong, it's just not insane anymore

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Yea but why Slayer then?

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Your leech dacays to fast

tough roost Jun 1, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Overleech, Leech doesn't end at Full Life, Stun Immunity while Leeching 🤔

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:21 PM

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insane area of effect for cyclone

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:21 PM

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And you dont get benifits from it

wide totem Jun 1, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Any good weapons for cyclone now that 8% basecrit is a thing?

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Stun immunity is really damn good, and having like 16 charges on a build is really good

tough roost Jun 1, 2019, 10:21 PM

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With 0 Leech investment you have "Immune to stun if you hit in the last5 seoncds"

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:21 PM

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I don't think lifeleech is strong honestly

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Yea overleech for 4 sec? Nice

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... not

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:22 PM

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terminus est + overwhelm = LUL @wide totem

tough roost Jun 1, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Infinitely better than no overleech at all, and if it was like base 10 seconds Slayers leech would be insane again

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If you want longer leech, you spec into leech

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:22 PM

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I mean don't think of it as endless leech any more, it's not the same thing, it's just normal leech plus 2 immunities, and some AOE buffs

tough roost Jun 1, 2019, 10:22 PM

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It's 5 seconds with zero investment

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Athena: there's very few ways to extend that

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You can get up to the cap faster, you can extend the cap in multiple ways, but making it last longer isn't easy

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:23 PM

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But you dont gain more stuff for Leech wich is kinda disapoting.

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And basicly everybody has stun immunity somehow

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And brineking exists

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:24 PM

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I think they just think leech is in a rough spot: if it's the best life recovery then Slayer is OP, if it's not good then Slayer is dumpster, so why not just make it "thematically" leech but not really affecting the recovery

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 10:24 PM

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impact also seems really really strong

kindred dagger Jun 1, 2019, 10:25 PM

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The problem is that they can make whatever the fuck they want as long as there is no change to life steal, defenses and things like that melee are in danger, we didnt see anything for those kind of combat aspect

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:25 PM

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And ITS also a 4 node path 🤷

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:25 PM

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They did, Ild, they buffed Fortify support and Molten Shell and added new melee defensives like Steelskin

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just for obvious reasons they don't want all of melee's defenses tied up in specific ascendancies

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Also the 25% reservation version of Blood/Sand stance aura is a defensive buff

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Slayer isn't limited to just 2h anymore

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Giga pog

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Also they made it possible to dodge attack animations that have already started, which sounds like a buff to certain bossfights as melee

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:27 PM

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They also removed the total increased recovery rate right?

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:28 PM

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They removed 100% increased life recovery from leech

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But that was already sort of a trap?

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And pretty useless on a node that already gave 5s overleech

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Masterful form has interesting implications

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Yeah, I think it's one of the strongest nodes on the tree, actually, but it requires heavy build-around

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:30 PM

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While at the same time requiring less

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6 charges for the price of 3

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Yeah, compare to, say, Raider's buffs to frenzy charges

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:32 PM

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Facebreaker slayer intensifies beastWoke

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:32 PM

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The thing that makes it a build-around is that the value you get from that node is proportional to the extra frenzy charges you take

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Whereas, say, Raider gets a benefit from the total frenzy charges you have

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 10:32 PM

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Assassin mark curse with slayer for 10% base crit

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:32 PM

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raider can sustain charges indefinitely without issue

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:33 PM

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I mean in maps every attack build can sustain frenzies without issue

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Because Blood Rage exists and basically mandatory on all attack builds

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:33 PM

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what about bosses, when you need the charges the most

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Getting max crit with slayer will be giga ez

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Why, ZetaKE?

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It's only 8%

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You can get a lot higher base crit than that on other builds

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:34 PM

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8% base

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:35 PM

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heck, some weapon bases have more crit even before ICS gem and buffs to base crit

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:35 PM

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14 base crit with max rolled terminus est

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:35 PM

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8% base crit for facebreakers tho vanity

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Sure, but you can already get 7% from the neck

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Which is probably better anyways because claw nodes are amazing

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:36 PM

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but you don't waste a necklace slot this way

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Sure, you can definitely make that work, and probably there are good reasons, but finding good damage nodes for Facebreakers sucks

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But like crit facebreakers with Infernal Blow maybe?

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Or something that takes good advantage of Xoph's Blood

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 10:37 PM

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@odd steeple 10% base with assassin's mark and the 8%.

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Are the basic claw nodes really worth sacrificing all those points for?

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odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:37 PM

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The base is 8%

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I'm pretty sure that means that additions and subtractions to base crit won't apply

woven venture Jun 1, 2019, 10:37 PM

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How can masterful form be utilized?

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:38 PM

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With the end charge on stun support maybe? 🤷

woven venture Jun 1, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Why would that matter?

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It just changes the maximum amount.

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:39 PM

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To generate them?

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Idk what you're asking here

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:39 PM

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I mean, you need a way to generate endurance charges, and ideally benefit from them, and ECMS does both

woven venture Jun 1, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Let me rephrase.. why would I want to take masterful form?

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:40 PM

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...To have endurance charges?

woven venture Jun 1, 2019, 10:40 PM

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What applications could it be used for?

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Sorry, my wording isnt clear on this. @odd steeple, bases is the 8%, then you get an additional 1.5-2.5% crit strike from assassin's mark, The formula has crit chance =( base + additive) *(1+increased critstrike chance)

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Extra resists

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Better immortal call

true bridge Jun 1, 2019, 10:40 PM

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You still have to be able to generate the endurance charges somehow

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:40 PM

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More damage with the support

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:40 PM

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because every +1 max frenzy on gear and the passive tree becomes worth 2x as many charges

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@woven venture it makes your gear and passive point expenditures more efficient

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Some unholy discharge slayer build vanity

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:41 PM

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because you can scale both

woven venture Jun 1, 2019, 10:41 PM

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If you can generate them.. so mechanically it's worthless.

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Sure

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Worthless if you don't use the charges

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:41 PM

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I mean you can generate them in a hundred ways

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I see people crying all over the place because these new ascendancies don't have free, reliable charge generation of all types

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Which, yeah, would be nice QoL but there are other ways

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Still Shit If every othere acendency gets them for free

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:42 PM

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They don't though

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Trickster, Raider, Jugg have reliable charge gen

woven venture Jun 1, 2019, 10:42 PM

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No no. I'm not crying about it. My first glaced screamed a fun discharge ascendancy until I read it closer.

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Hiero I guess?

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Chieftain

woven venture Jun 1, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Just trying to figure out it's intended use.

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:43 PM

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It would be a good discharge ascendancy, Krysztofr

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:43 PM

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Champion kinda

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:43 PM

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None of the ascendancies except possibly Jugg can actually sustain enough charge gen for discharge anyways

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:43 PM

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I just doubt that its better than the other nodes given. Look at it this way, either you're losing 20% cull, 20% ms and 20% attack speed OR you're giving up perma leech, 6% reduced dmg taken, 50% increased dmg, 15% attack speed

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You have to invest a lot to even get to that point

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:43 PM

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You need reliable other sources that go way over the top like Voll's Devotion and stuff

gritty beacon Jun 1, 2019, 10:44 PM

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and without using things like ECMS or unique items to boost what endurance charges do, they give 4% phys damage reduction which isn't great when a vast majority of the damage you take is non-physical

woven venture Jun 1, 2019, 10:44 PM

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They also give resists.

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But to a cap that's meaningless.

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:45 PM

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I don't think vast majority is accurate, remember that the baseline for other damage types is 25% as much, while for phys it's 100% taken

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like a map mod like 100% extra as cold for example

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Is really more like 25% extra as cold

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:45 PM

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6,2,12 bow elemental hit SquidDab

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Okay, 8 Not 12 ITS melee

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:48 PM

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@wild arch I just realize, go back and read 2

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"Attacks with Weapons"

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:48 PM

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No facebreaker q.q

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:49 PM

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TBH I think it's hard to beat the amulet anyways for crit facebreakers

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Like maybe you can, amulets are really good, but so are claw nodes on the passive tree

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Oh, wow, just realized, you can go Ahn's Might + Ahn's Heritage + 2 pacifism to get the bonuses of both, with 14

wild arch Jun 1, 2019, 10:52 PM

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shock

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Welp

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Wand slayer here I come vanity

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Piscator's has 9% base crit

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lul

quiet geyser Jun 1, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Fishing rod Slayer

lofty elk Jun 1, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Can someone give me a TLDR for Slayer Ascendancy?`Quick comparison?

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 10:58 PM

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There's a guy who posts one after each GGG update

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If you wait an hour or two it will probably be up on reddit

lofty elk Jun 1, 2019, 10:58 PM

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yeah was hoping someone has a link

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:^)

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Is Slayer decent again?

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Id say, yeah. Slayer is decent.

turbid quartz Jun 1, 2019, 10:59 PM

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🤔

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Im not saying its good

copper kernel Jun 1, 2019, 10:59 PM

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you can just look at it

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Its usable tho

turbid quartz Jun 1, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Now it's a choice of duelist or shadow for my frost blades build

lofty elk Jun 1, 2019, 10:59 PM

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i have no clue about duelist ascendancies

turbid quartz Jun 1, 2019, 10:59 PM

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I wanna see if they buff assassin

lofty elk Jun 1, 2019, 10:59 PM

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i mainly play shadow/ranger/witch

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:00 PM

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I don't think it's gonna change all that much in the long run, unless +2 weapon range is just super important now because Cyclone and Bladestorm are super good

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 11:00 PM

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If you want to do a coc build, 2/4/6/12 is pretty good

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I should say coc speed clear build

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Why? Wouldn't you be using a lot of +crit stuff like the hatred eye and assassin's mark?

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 11:01 PM

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The 8 is base, all the additional +crit adds on top of it

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Cutting costs in %inc crit chance

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:01 PM

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It's the other way round, the base is 8.

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+x.y% to crit chance affects the base, which is then set to 8

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Except that isnt how the formula works

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:02 PM

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and then affected by inc crit chance, crits are lucky etc.

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According to what, the PoE wiki? They are like 90% just misusing the word "base" in their explanation

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PoE wiki is garbage these days

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Well, well see. Hope you are wrong.

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:04 PM

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@lofty elk https://i.redd.it/jgvkhaa2kt131.jpg

lofty elk Jun 1, 2019, 11:04 PM

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♥

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god

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:06 PM

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I think Slayer will be pretty solid. 4,6,8,12 with an alternate source of overleech sounds amazing.

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I think 2 is getting massively overrated because I think it works the way ZetaKE doesn't want

lofty elk Jun 1, 2019, 11:06 PM

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#6 looks nice

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Yeah it's just straight buff over old version, which was already great

minor jungle Jun 1, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Now you can add onslaught on top for 40% oh wait that's raider

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Lol.

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And Gladiator is just Deadeye with its 20% more speed.

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They made Duelist melee ranger 😂

minor jungle Jun 1, 2019, 11:09 PM

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I'm still building static strike slayer without any of the leech nodes I think

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Not even 8? Cannot be stunned + Cannot bleed is super nice

minor jungle Jun 1, 2019, 11:10 PM

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8 does seem pretty nice... hmm

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Yeah and then wear the Soul Tether belt for overleech 😛

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Or just take 8

lofty elk Jun 1, 2019, 11:11 PM

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8 is veryyyy good

minor jungle Jun 1, 2019, 11:11 PM

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2,4,6,8 maybe?

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:11 PM

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err, 10

lofty elk Jun 1, 2019, 11:11 PM

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you can skip bleed flask then aswell

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:11 PM

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What weapon do you want to use?

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2 seems so meh. The crit reduction is nice defensively I guess.

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:12 PM

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there will be champion rework too wont there?

lofty elk Jun 1, 2019, 11:12 PM

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think so

minor jungle Jun 1, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Probably good old voidforge cause they are giving flat physical to all melee skills

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Yeah that could be good

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:12 PM

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armor will be overally better or not?

lofty elk Jun 1, 2019, 11:12 PM

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yes

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Yes, (if you use Molten Shell)

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:13 PM

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i usually do modified hank the tank so....

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Otherwise they said no changes to the armor formula, should be about the same

minor jungle Jun 1, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Brass dome molten shell builds are coming

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:14 PM

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2x ichimonji full armor no crit double strike/reave... i hope i can get out of it somewhat. i had nice build with it

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and evasion to armor conversion

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40k+ armor

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molten shell will be nice defensive buff here heg

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heh*

minor jungle Jun 1, 2019, 11:15 PM

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I just need to see how buffed berserker is

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Could be pretty good I think? Molten Shell is itself a buff so scaled by Ichimonji

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:15 PM

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ah yeah

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and determination/grace auras

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more armor

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so more molten shell scaling

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:16 PM

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I dunno if the absorb is actually gonna scale though

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If it does it should be really good, no? 20% more absorb

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And then also the armor buff it gives is scaled so kinda like double dippin g:P

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:17 PM

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its a lot

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yeah, i couldve taken red elder head on basically, but thief's torment was essential

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Are you gonna do this as juggernaut?

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:17 PM

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minotaur didnt one hit me

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champion

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thats why im wondering what would they change

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perma fortify does a lot

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:18 PM

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I mean depending on how they change Fortify support they might remove that node

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or change it

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:18 PM

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and impale actually increases damage with bleeding too

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without critical damage completely

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:18 PM

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if it gets like a 39% melee damage modifier or something, for example, not much point in perma fortify

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:19 PM

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every scaling is a lot without crit

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fortify mod was like upping the map tiers by 2 while leveling

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out of the tutorial i was able to do t7-t8

normal kraken Jun 1, 2019, 11:20 PM

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impale doesn't have any effect on bleeding

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Right, but if you can just link the jewel to your main skill why do you care about perma fortify?

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:20 PM

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um damage loss then

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:21 PM

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That's my point, they're giving it a damage multiplier in 3.7

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(How much, we don't know yet)

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:21 PM

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that would be nice

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:21 PM

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IMO the only reason to take perma fortify node is if you can't get it elsewhere (spellcaster, bows, wands, etc.)

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:22 PM

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you know, reave/double strike-multistrike-maim-melee phys damage-brutality-ruthless 6l

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what would i swap with fortify?

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Maim on one of your skills

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Put it on Leap Slam or something

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:23 PM

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hm

copper kernel Jun 1, 2019, 11:23 PM

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brutality?

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:23 PM

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good one

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yeah

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full phys no crit build

copper kernel Jun 1, 2019, 11:23 PM

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thats like maximum scuffed

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:24 PM

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i'm able to tank head on minotaur

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not dying to it

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Or just put Fortify on the leap slam like everyone normally does these days 😛

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:24 PM

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full hp before another attack

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with just 5.5k hp

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Do you use Brass Dome?

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:24 PM

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nope

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loreweave till now

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:27 PM

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I kinda want to do an armor-based character now that Molten Shell makes it good vs elemental damage

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That's kinda always been my meh thing about armor

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:27 PM

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clueless ive sent ya my profile

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ganord character in standart

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nowhere near ideal gear but it managed

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:30 PM

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It's a sweet build, zero chance I'd take fortify node on that build if I were making it myself 😛

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:30 PM

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i shouldve used deidbell or deidbellow intstead of lightpoacher though

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warcry give 20% more attack/movement speed and flat phys damage

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Also, why are you putting Crimson Dance and the Impale node on the same build?

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:33 PM

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with 0.08 attack speed both stack nicely

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mainly bossing

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:34 PM

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K, so it's kind of like a hybrid hit and bleed build?

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:34 PM

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ye

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Shame that they don't scale each other

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:35 PM

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inreased attack damage with sword nodes usually have +% ailments damage from attack skills

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so it works

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:35 PM

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I just mean the Impale itself doesn't work with bleed

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So it only scales itself

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:36 PM

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yeah

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its low dps build overall max tankiness

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and requires button mashing

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i get bored playing winer orb

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it was kinda fun

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if they wont change the champion too much

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it will be pretty op build

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:38 PM

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I mean there's only so OP a low-damage build can get

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:38 PM

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and low cos

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t

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:38 PM

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But Ichimonji+Molten Shell just sounds like crazy tanky build next league

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:39 PM

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rng god doesnt like me having a lot of currency

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in hall of grandmasters only that cwdt guy was knocking me

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and the melee splash looks sweet with double strike, no need to switch back to reave while bossing

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to clear minions

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i had to actually hotswap gems on the fly

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Can't you kill the CWDT guy pretty easily by swapping to frost bomb and hitting him with bleed?

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Or is he bleed immune

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:43 PM

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dunno, never tried it, friend had scorching ray build so

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:43 PM

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The tricky thing about SR builds is that now there's also a GM with the CWDT nonsense + a hyuuuuge damage 6L scorching ray to dick you over so you can't stand in range and use your own SR 😛

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:46 PM

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i just reaved the hell out of that map

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so he just had to kill that one guy

gentle ermine Jun 1, 2019, 11:46 PM

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minor jungle Jun 1, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Effect of rage are t r I p l e d

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I'm torn between berserker or slayer now

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:48 PM

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wtf...

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2 nodes in 'this looks really broken'

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rofl

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:49 PM

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HOLY sweet mother of god

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is that 40% more attack speed on a node?

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what the bloody fuck

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:50 PM

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lose 200% crit chance, but yee

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:50 PM

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add deidbellow on top of that its 60% increase with warcry

lyric ore Jun 1, 2019, 11:51 PM

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So what sort of builds are gonna go berserker then

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I'm bad at looking at things and getting their use

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Like, literally anything with an attack move skill is good with zerker now, probs?

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:51 PM

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i smell thiefs torment here...

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:52 PM

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I think the right thing to do is go EO but get at least 200% increased crit on the tree

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But maybe you could just go crit anyways

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:52 PM

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lol

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:52 PM

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LOL you can get 40% more attack speed and 150% increased attack speed

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:52 PM

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i could use this instead of champion

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Stress the bloody fuck out of their new animation system 😛

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:53 PM

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dropping impale, getting more bleed damage

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but... adrenaline

turbid quartz Jun 1, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Holy fuck berserker

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Wait, also, you get 110% increased crit chance along that path anyways

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:54 PM

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beserker looks sooo good too lmao

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:55 PM

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My god zerker is gonna be SOOO FAAAAAST

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:55 PM

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I think I 100% go slayer but jesus christ

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:55 PM

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I thought 20% more attack and movement speed on Gladiator was nuts

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:55 PM

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IDK, is blitz really even worth over carnage?

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:55 PM

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40% more attack speed just blows the heck out of that

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:56 PM

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40% attack speed at the cost of losing most of crit chance

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Who cares, go EO?

turbid quartz Jun 1, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Legit zerker looks insane. I wanna go frost blades with it lol

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😂 😂

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:56 PM

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ill try making zerker based on my build lol

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 11:56 PM

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honestly though, slayer looks just way better than this

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:56 PM

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up to 200% reduced crit chance is not that bad, and you get 110% icnreased always to offset it from the nodes leading to it

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:57 PM

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I think most situations carnage is going to out perform blitz

violet nymph Jun 1, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Trypanon 👏 flicker 👏 strike 👏 berserker

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Not in clearspeed it won't

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:57 PM

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also depends on how long blitz charges last too ye

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:57 PM

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I assume 10 seconds like most charges

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:57 PM

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if they're like 10+ seconds then it's going to be hard to beat

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:58 PM

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You can get both, too

clear gust Jun 1, 2019, 11:58 PM

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i no crit build i see no downsides

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in*

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:58 PM

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You can't go Blitz on non-crit though

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:58 PM

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get both?

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:59 PM

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You can get Carnage + Blitz at the cost of 100% increased attack speed

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:59 PM

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you can drop rite of ruin I guess, but that seems like the core

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:59 PM

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which is probably worth it with enough attack speed investment

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:59 PM

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yea, I agree

odd steeple Jun 1, 2019, 11:59 PM

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I think @violet nymph has the best idea 😂

smoky fiber Jun 1, 2019, 11:59 PM

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regardless of what's best though I reallllly like the versatility of slayer and beserker with these changes

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even if you aren't interested in playing optimally, looks like there's some really good alternative choices

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Optimal builds are going to be NUTS to watch this league

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just play slayer UwU

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Theyve known for a while that melee couldn't match the clear of spells

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Now it might be able to

smoky fiber Jun 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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I'm definitely going to league start as slayer

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Slayer looks so meh though

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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What lmao

smoky fiber Jun 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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slayer looks insaneeee

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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It gets like +2 range and some defenses

smoky fiber Jun 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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clear speed is going to be huge

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Whaaatt

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Did you read slayer

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Why is Slayer gonna have clearspeed? It's just more damage

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:01 AM

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slayer is so so so much better looking than berserker

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:02 AM

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And AOE for cyclone, which I guess you can call clearspeed

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:02 AM

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That being said berserker is nuts

smoky fiber Jun 2, 2019, 12:02 AM

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cause melee range seems like it'll be based off weapon range now

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and aoe is going to scale with that?

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:02 AM

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But compare to 20% more attack and movespeed from Gladiator

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@smoky fiber it already is based on weapon range

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nothing is changing there except you can hit multiple enemies if they're in a line

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Tbh slayer has a place as a build that can do a trillion single target

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:03 AM

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AOE skills (except Cyclone which is based on weapon range, and I think maybe Bladestorm too) are still gonna be purely based on increased AOE

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Good for party play

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i think it's only gonna be 5% per sec

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Its 5%

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Not 15%

smoky fiber Jun 2, 2019, 12:03 AM

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I thought they were changing it so all skills were based on weapon range

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Slayer is gonna be fine, it got "Cannot be Stunned" back and a bit more damage

smoky fiber Jun 2, 2019, 12:04 AM

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all melee skills*

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Also has a 10% chance to deal double damage

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:04 AM

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but compared to 40% more attack speed, or 20% more attack and movement speed it's kinda not that special IMO

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:04 AM

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The base crit is nuts for slayer

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And has flat physical

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Flat phys = facebreaker

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They removed that @spring spindle

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:04 AM

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@violet nymph the base crit is sooooo overrated

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Uh

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Starforge

jovial tundra Jun 2, 2019, 12:04 AM

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god what does 40% more attack speed even look like

smoky fiber Jun 2, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Beserker about to bring 40 attacks per second with multistrike

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:05 AM

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honestly just keep playing trickster

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Terminus flicker berserker

jovial tundra Jun 2, 2019, 12:05 AM

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u'll burn out on crit if u try to blitz it

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Assasin's Mark gives +2.5, ICS support gives +1.9, Elder Chest gives +1.5, glove corruption gives +0.5, Hatred Watcher's Eye gives +2.0

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Exactly

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:05 AM

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You can get to like 13% crit on starforge

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8% is just a bandaid cheapo way to go crit easily

jovial tundra Jun 2, 2019, 12:06 AM

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so oro's berserker flicker

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:06 AM

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It's not a buff to high-investment crit builds

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:06 AM

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I mean, it is

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Also 2% mana leech will be nice for mana sustain with 40% more attaxk speed

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:06 AM

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You lose up to 5% base crit? how is that an upgrade

jovial tundra Jun 2, 2019, 12:06 AM

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basically u can just not invest in crit multi, and invest in crit chance as a means of attack speed

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if anyone would ever do that

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:07 AM

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My personal build will be 2/8/10/12

smoky fiber Jun 2, 2019, 12:07 AM

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pain reaver seems really underwhelming

jovial tundra Jun 2, 2019, 12:07 AM

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whats the max on rage

violet nymph Jun 2, 2019, 12:07 AM

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50

odd steeple Jun 2, 2019, 12:08 AM

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The meme attack speed build on zerker is gonna look STUPID