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quartz dome May 29, 2019, 1:31 AM

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I predict slayer will start with the 5 second overleech but have a new major node that doubles or triples it or something

gentle ermine May 29, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Expect the worst so your prepared.
That way there is no salt only Joy if its good.

plush zealot May 29, 2019, 1:32 AM

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as long as maxblock hoa glad still works il be happy

last river May 29, 2019, 1:36 AM

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@proven wadi Chief was never the optimal option for a build though, outside of maybe totems

proven wadi May 29, 2019, 1:37 AM

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i agree

last river May 29, 2019, 1:37 AM

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YOu played chieftain because an ascendancy costs less than a xoph's

proven wadi May 29, 2019, 1:37 AM

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obviously

quartz dome May 29, 2019, 1:37 AM

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chief maybe optimal for oni-g

last river May 29, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Also, can you cap block with reasonable gear if you're 2h and not a staff user?

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Wait why would chief want to use oni

quartz dome May 29, 2019, 1:38 AM

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implicit regen, fire fire fire fire fire damage

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🤷

proven wadi May 29, 2019, 1:38 AM

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maybe you can cap block with that one special conquer deflect node

last river May 29, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Conquer deflect?\

proven wadi May 29, 2019, 1:40 AM

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you know, that special keystone from the legion jewel that doubles block rate but only lets it halve damage or something

last river May 29, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Oh right that

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Oh that might actually be good

proven wadi May 29, 2019, 1:40 AM

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i want to build around it i think

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if the jewel is even reasonable to get a hold of

last river May 29, 2019, 1:41 AM

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I'm most excited about the mana to armor one

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Imagine a caster with like 50% phys reduction

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That's what I think that node offers

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(combined with new molten shell)

quartz dome May 29, 2019, 1:41 AM

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I'm excited for the ones they won't tease

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because you know there'll be at least a few

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maybe

last river May 29, 2019, 1:42 AM

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I mean they spent so much time on these jewels. There's no way this is another onslaught boots right?

quartz dome May 29, 2019, 1:43 AM

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new keystone "you have onslaught" "onslaught has no effect on you"

last river May 29, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Also I find it weird that ggg is choosing to rework glad

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Glad is probably one of the better melee ascendancies between the block nodes and the bleed explosions

quartz dome May 29, 2019, 1:44 AM

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yeah glad is and has been fine for a while... except maybe the dual weild node that just exists

proven wadi May 29, 2019, 1:44 AM

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yeah like isnt glad okay right now

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now he's just gonna have more stuff
kinda like pathfinder

quartz dome May 29, 2019, 1:44 AM

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glad is technically really good if you build it well and block a lot, but everyone focuses on the bleedsplosions it seems like

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specifically the 'phys damage if you block recently' one

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global phys damage per block on the silly blocktank class that can hypothetically use a vaal breach gem and block a lot

gentle ermine May 29, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Anyone said Graceful Assault?

last river May 29, 2019, 2:06 AM

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ngl I fucking hate on kill effects

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They're so dumb

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Just make them on hit

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Why would you want your build to perform well everywhere except when fighting bosses

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y'know, the time all your damage is actually needed

fair prairie May 29, 2019, 2:07 AM

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well with some of the changes to boss fights on kill effects can be pretty good

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they are adding adds to a lot of boss fights

midnight phoenix May 29, 2019, 2:08 AM

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Im cool with on kill stuff

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It helps ppl clear faster and more reliably

gentle ermine May 29, 2019, 2:18 AM

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Its very likely on kill heavy builds leave bosses to other builds that focus on heavy single damage.
A build to do all content realy is a baaaad thing.

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"Because he's the build POE deserves, but not the one it needs"

last river May 29, 2019, 2:37 AM

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Molten Shell now grants armour while active and a damage barrier that absorbs 75% of damage taken. The maximum damage that it can absorb is based on 20% of your total armour, making it a powerful choice for high Armour characters. It also lasts slightly longer than Steelskin. When Molten Shell absorbs its maximum damage or when the duration ends, all of the absorbed damage is dealt as reflected damage in an area around you, with a large damage multiplier.

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Holy shit

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First thing I'm buying after I'm geared is a jewel that gives me the 80% of mana to armor keystone

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every single caster should be using molten shell and converting their mana to armor while doing MOM eb

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Also how does cwdt immortal call work again

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Does it mitigate the damage from the hit that damaged you in the first place?

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Or is it every hit after?

glad tusk May 29, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Rip ic lmao

lucid stone May 29, 2019, 2:44 AM

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NOOOOOOO they removed RAT nuke!
They better bring it back in a unique

proven wadi May 29, 2019, 2:44 AM

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MoM with no mana 🤔

gentle ermine May 29, 2019, 2:45 AM

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You take damage = activate = gain damage immunity.
Well no immunity anymore.

proven wadi May 29, 2019, 2:45 AM

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@lucid stone i know right my poor succ totems

lucid stone May 29, 2019, 2:45 AM

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At least I played it one last time in flashback

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VMS now legacy?

violet nymph May 29, 2019, 2:55 AM

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We don't know

swift pagoda May 29, 2019, 3:40 AM

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IC is good on Jugg and Chieftain

timid grail May 29, 2019, 3:46 AM

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You think these new guard skills are gonna be spells?

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Or make "guard skill" a new keyword sort of like how they did with warcries

last river May 29, 2019, 3:48 AM

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@proven wadi That's what EB is for

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Your mana pool would be so tiny that it'd be useless anyway

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You do have to build both ES and armor which may be a problem but that's what a high int score is for

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This reminds me of the kind of scaling you do on bls scion

round bison May 29, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Little late to the party, but is it just me or are incubators a silly idea? Imagine being told "you cannot change this item for 50 maps" would you think that's a good idea?

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like the first mechanic in history you don't want to find an upgrade to your gear lmao

gentle ermine May 29, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Forsight may help

languid path May 29, 2019, 4:20 AM

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not 50 maps, more like 10 max depends on the incubators, and it's your decision where to put the more kill-demanding eggs, and do you really swap gears every 10 maps?

gentle ermine May 29, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Good point Ydroxoos

honest dune May 29, 2019, 4:22 AM

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It will depend what kind of rarity the items drop as

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If you need to kill 2k mobs and all you get is a worms molt it might not be super interesting

languid path May 29, 2019, 4:23 AM

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it's just a bonus for you while mapping, it's not like you're going out of your way to kill the mobs, you are killing them anyway

round bison May 29, 2019, 4:23 AM

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i guess i overestimated the map count

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but if they DID remove shit rolls like you said, @honest dune, they'd have to up the kill count dramatically

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and then you WOULD run into the upgrade issue

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remember the reddit post with 100k kills or something for a mirror

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that's a lotta maps

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90ish

honest dune May 29, 2019, 4:25 AM

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All we can do is wait and see. I dont expect to care much about it though. Incubate an item and get extra loot thats probably filtered out

gentle ermine May 29, 2019, 4:26 AM

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i'd sacrefice runing a worthless item if i'd mess up So Badly putting a mirror egg on it.

honest dune May 29, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Lol

honest egret May 29, 2019, 5:30 AM

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i wonder what happens when i incubate and then corrupt an item

gentle ermine May 29, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Interesting twist, probably nothing.

honest egret May 29, 2019, 5:33 AM

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i also think that, but it would be neat if there was some interaction

drowsy roost May 29, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Would love your advice good people, Im on this build and Im trying to figure out where to add more next

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static token May 29, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Try in the build planning or fixing channels.

ornate gate May 29, 2019, 12:45 PM

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did they say anything about how the new defensive skill will scale their duration, if at all?

low kindle May 29, 2019, 12:45 PM

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can you animation cancel barrage while firing arrows

patent canyon May 29, 2019, 1:20 PM

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you should be able to

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i mean at least from what they told any movement skill can cancel any animation regardless of its state

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Yeah, MoM EB

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wops

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wrong person

lyric ore May 29, 2019, 1:29 PM

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if you use Flesh and Stone you dont need to you use Blood and Sand right

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thats how I read it

mental apex May 29, 2019, 2:39 PM

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Am I the only person who's happy that immortal call no longer makes you immune to phys damage?

lyric ore May 29, 2019, 2:39 PM

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im glad that I dont have to have it on every build

marsh wagon May 29, 2019, 2:40 PM

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what does it do now?

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Reduces a portion of the damage taken

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Up to around a third at max level

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For phys and elemental

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With extra phys reduction for each endurance charge consumed

compact junco May 29, 2019, 2:57 PM

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@lyric ore well, there was a reason why people were doing it on every build

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and its still in game

dusty umbra May 29, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Ic nerf was long overdue tbh

compact junco May 29, 2019, 2:58 PM

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so, basically just tool to fight it reliably was removed

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without fixing the other issue

static token May 29, 2019, 3:02 PM

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I don't care, but I don't play HC. I'm sure they have words.

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 3:03 PM

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People in HC never only relied on that anyway

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Or they'd die at the first hint of extra elemental damage on porcupines

static token May 29, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Only no, but losing a layer against oneshots hurts.

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Yeah now you'll have to either manually cast it before detonating the pack

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that's going to be so hard

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and instead of just blocking the phys it'll mitigate the phys and the elemental

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or just shatter, or abyssal cry, or pyre, or whatever

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I mean it's the vinktar nerf all over again boohoo the game is unplayable now

static token May 29, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Overreacting much? It's like you're having a fight with yourself.

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 3:08 PM

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You might want to work on picking up obvious sarcasm

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It's obvious enough that I'm fine with the change

static token May 29, 2019, 3:09 PM

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No I got it, it just felt a bit melodramatic given the conversation.

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I guess I'm just over that discussion altogether, people have been whining about it since this morning and it just feels like half of these have no idea what other mechanics there are

Some unironically say that there just no other counter to the pokies

It's tiring, and I apologise for being kind of an asshole about it x)

wet plaza May 29, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Then don't participate. You're not forced to

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Honestly I think IC is better now. I'm fairly certain they'll increase its duration by quite a bit. And if you generate endurance charges it's almost as effective as before.

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The only thing that got nerfed is CwDT

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indirectly

compact junco May 29, 2019, 3:31 PM

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well, imo the main issue is that you see porcupines very often, and you dont have access to many ways to counter them on plenty of builds, and IC was very accessible way to fight at least the phys porcupines

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Now you'd likely use a fully leveled cwdt

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 3:33 PM

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I doubt it Shalti, it doesn't trigger often enough. Self cast is going to be way more reliable

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 3:33 PM

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3k health isn't too much at top level and now it'll last a full 5 secs even without charges

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It should be good enough for most purposes

compact junco May 29, 2019, 3:34 PM

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e.g shatters are fine, corpse explosions are fine as counters, but, on like chaos dot build, what was flavour of the month just now, it just feels super bad to not have cwdt + ic. abyssal cry is atm in very very bad state, unusable if you are not melee

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if they would give it more range, it would be nice alternative that i wouldnt mind using

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because its almost bad even as melee

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Abyssal cry was my answer in synth and it worked

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Most chaos dot builds have a broken op temp chains that means you won't get hit anyway

compact junco May 29, 2019, 3:35 PM

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i tried it for few maps as well, but it just felt super bad, even when you came right next to pack it did not even hit the whole thing

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not even half

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the aoe is just way too small

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Increased aoe helps

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Or at worse just kill'em with bane and hide behind a wall as it's less instant than soulrend/ed

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Frost Wall meta

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Frost wall is also very good yes

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Though painful for party play

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 3:36 PM

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It's great for elder 😄

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Most of my low gear elder are made with a frostwall to protect shaper hahaha

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Yea it's super strong for that 😄

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Especially if you wanna sell t15s early in the league your first red elder can be made with .. questionable gear x)

unborn sphinx May 29, 2019, 3:40 PM

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i feel like the cheapest build i've yet to play in the past 3-4 leagues is the HoAG summoner

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 3:40 PM

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HoAg needs nothing to deal a decent amount of damage

unborn sphinx May 29, 2019, 3:40 PM

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yeah

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well it does need a remotely decent cpu

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 3:41 PM

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I expect a slight nerf on the damage for 3.7 but we'll see

unborn sphinx May 29, 2019, 3:41 PM

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or your aurabot will complain every day

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for that whole league

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heheheh

compact junco May 29, 2019, 3:42 PM

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tbh imo best fix for hoag would be if golden rule do not counted as if you would poison and enemy when you poison yourself for virulence, then you would actually need to invest to as more

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and it would make pathfinder hoag make more sense again

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 3:43 PM

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People aren't even doing that in many cases and it's still insane damage fast enough

compact junco May 29, 2019, 3:43 PM

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it would definitely nerf occultist version what has most damage

unborn sphinx May 29, 2019, 3:44 PM

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you can do shaper on a 5l at lvl 90 if ur stupid like me

compact junco May 29, 2019, 3:44 PM

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it would definitely nerf occultist version what has most damage

unborn sphinx May 29, 2019, 3:44 PM

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but you can do it at lvl 80 if ur good at the game

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with hoag, that is

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 3:47 PM

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HoaG meatball axe cyclone build change my mind 😛

wet plaza May 29, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Only if you go full poison meatball

mental apex May 29, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Meatball?

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Fire to chaos poisoning ngamahu cyclone hoag pathfinder

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For full meme

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 4:20 PM

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pathfinder? marauder Raider my dood 😛

sinful hazel May 29, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Pathfinder has hoag scaling

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Pretty much needed

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 4:30 PM

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no it dosnt

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hit faster or lose charges a bit quicker, think i am gonna go with hit faster

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gotta zoom zoom

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Then go trickster

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 4:49 PM

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why would i go trickster?

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Attack speed & zoomzoom

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:D

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 4:52 PM

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not as much zoomzoom as raider

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Actually, kinda more

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I mean if you generate your frenzies ofc but still

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The attack speed from ghost shrouds is kind of insane

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And you do get some nice movement speed too

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Trickster is basically raider except better atm honestly

patent canyon May 29, 2019, 4:54 PM

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sad but true

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 4:58 PM

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I think raider while speccing into onslaught gives like 4% more movement speed and ~20% less attack speed than trickster

And in terms of damage it's trickster, no contest

wet plaza May 29, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Nah raider with daressos defiance is easily faster

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 4:58 PM

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You can use defiance on trickster too

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It's additive with raider not multiplicative

wet plaza May 29, 2019, 4:59 PM

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But would you want to on trickster

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I'd still go with raider

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 4:59 PM

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I mean yeah I wouldn't want to on raider either

Farrul, loreweave or shroud

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 5:01 PM

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for hoag why woudnt i want to go darrasos?

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it gives life and dodge + more attack speed seams fine

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Because using a whole armor slot for an extra 5 as/ms and a bit of life seems like meh

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 5:02 PM

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its hoag you do not need to deal dmg

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Might as well use bronn's then

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 5:03 PM

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just not die

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Brons got no life

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 5:03 PM

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But lots of speed

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:D

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 5:03 PM

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the speed is about the same

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 5:03 PM

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(It's a bitch to chrome tho)

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 5:04 PM

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i mean brons works if you are planing on doing the deeps but this is hoag 😛

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 5:05 PM

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But honestly if you really want to do the hoag deeps just get a fenumus

No life but gives -10 all res including chaos

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 5:06 PM

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fenumus is like not something i want to build a league starter around

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 5:10 PM

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(Apologies if I take time to answer, in a train rn)

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(And aspect of the spider is actually a really strong defensive tool)

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Oh wow sorry the jumpy connection

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I think I deleted most of the spam

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Bloody countryside

sinful hazel May 29, 2019, 5:27 PM

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wtf i completely missed the changes to trickster this league

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Only made it like the top class atm 😄

knotty yew May 29, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Yeah the like 50-70% attack ans cast speed on ascendancy + defenses from ghost shrouds really pushed it above the pack

polar stone May 29, 2019, 5:45 PM

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raider buff idea: 100% more attack speed at max frenzy 👀

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 5:46 PM

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+1 Weapon Range per 2 Frenzy Charges <- I still want that

polar stone May 29, 2019, 5:46 PM

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actually a legit idea :o

violet nymph May 29, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Would be nice

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 5:49 PM

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But it looks like Raider isn't getting any big changes from what they've been talking about ascendancy changes so far

true bridge May 29, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Slayer needs some serious help right now imo

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 5:50 PM

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They put up 3 more ascendacies

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open for changes

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I think it was Slayer, Zerker and

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uhm

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Gladiator

true bridge May 29, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I'm excited to see what they do with them. I'm not sure how Slayer stands out at the moment. And the new Blood and Sand skills with Gladiator bleedsplosions always sounds like fun.

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Sure does... I expect more 2h dedicated stuff with slayer

true bridge May 29, 2019, 5:54 PM

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I really liked the old minute long overleeches for a defensive choice before. I wonder if they're going to keep or augment the Slayer's leech play style or maybe give it a different form of defence. I know it's still functional but I'd like to see something a little "more" done to it to make it stand out.

placid grotto May 29, 2019, 7:15 PM

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the minute-long leeches going made me sad because I'd been theory-crafting a low level Delve build to out-regen Darkness degen

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and then that build gets killed and low level Delve gets killed

ornate spade May 29, 2019, 7:15 PM

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what are you farming low level delves for?
werent they nerfed?

placid grotto May 29, 2019, 7:15 PM

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yeah this was in late 3.5

ornate spade May 29, 2019, 7:16 PM

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O

placid grotto May 29, 2019, 7:16 PM

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as prep for 3.6 before patch notes came out

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I expected Raider to get gutted because that was the go-to farmer at the time

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though perhaps it was for the best because there was a stealth change to Delve's drops

mental apex May 29, 2019, 7:21 PM

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The minute long leeches were dumb tho.

That's just... Too much. similar to insta leech.

placid grotto May 29, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Is it? I'm not sure it is. Even with that, Slayer wasn't a particularly good class

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Ascendant (Slayer/X) was much more popular than alternatives...but that had nothing to do with long leech instances (no overkill leech)

low kindle May 29, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Chieftain rework is pretty cool

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I think he also shares the most amount of notables with occultist

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Oh and hierophant

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 7:33 PM

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and Trickster

low kindle May 29, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Trickster has 7

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Oh true

placid grotto May 29, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Personally, I don't feel like he got an extra 25% worth of content to match the number of nodes

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Agreed

placid grotto May 29, 2019, 7:34 PM

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some of the numerical bonuses are nice (e.g. 15% pen vs 10% pen), but it feels too spread out since you can only choose 4 nodes

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 7:34 PM

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I wonder what they were thinking with that Pen+Burning damage node

placid grotto May 29, 2019, 7:34 PM

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no clue

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should have grouped based effects based on use

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burning doesn't care about pen IIRC

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and pen doesn't care about burning

low kindle May 29, 2019, 7:35 PM

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No, having options is good

placid grotto May 29, 2019, 7:35 PM

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I don't disagree

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options are good

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Wait a second... how exactly does ignite work compared to bleed

placid grotto May 29, 2019, 7:36 PM

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what I'm saying is that you have nodes that aren't really option enabling

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for example pen + burning

low kindle May 29, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Doesn't mean they are bad

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Holy oh wait

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that's huge synergy

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I didn't realize Ignite works off damage dealt instead of flat base

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That is so much ignite damage

low kindle May 29, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Ignite works off a flat base

placid grotto May 29, 2019, 7:38 PM

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while that's true, you scale burning damage generally that I've seen

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Ignite now deals 50% of the igniting hit's damage per second over 4 seconds (up from 40% per second).

low kindle May 29, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Increasing weapon fire damage would not increase ignite damage with hits from those weapons

placid grotto May 29, 2019, 7:39 PM

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burning isn't directly affected by pen (like it used to be)

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Ah the wording in the 3.3 rework sounded like it

fair prairie May 29, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Can't wait to see the slayer changes now that most the cool stuff they can do is offered by unique items hopefully nearly the entire tree gets changed

wild arch May 29, 2019, 9:38 PM

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The chieftain looks so good with 8 node options

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They need to do that to all ascendancies

copper kernel May 29, 2019, 9:45 PM

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gl getting the overleech gloves

true bridge May 29, 2019, 9:45 PM

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I'm hoping we get a look at another ascendancy today

rapid solar May 29, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Someones gotta do the chieftain egg build

languid path May 29, 2019, 10:00 PM

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soul tether says hi

elder quartz May 29, 2019, 10:27 PM

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so is the sand/blood stone/flesh a gladiator only thing?

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 10:27 PM

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no

elder quartz May 29, 2019, 10:28 PM

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ah ok wasnt sure since the post said ". Among these are the Gladiator-themed Blood and Sand skills."

dusty cove May 29, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Yea its themed around just like synth had or was it delve had "holy" spells theme for guardian

snow cairn May 29, 2019, 10:29 PM

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https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2507482

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they're skills

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no skills are locked to a specific ascendancy

worldly siren May 29, 2019, 10:59 PM

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From what I understand the reworked gladiator ascendency will interact with the blood and sand stances hence gladiator themed

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I think of it similar to elementalist and heralds

sinful hazel May 29, 2019, 11:53 PM

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i just wanna see zerker and his tooys XP

shell hull May 30, 2019, 12:38 AM

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currently whast the best ignite build? Fireball?

silver kettle May 30, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Fireball definitely for clear. Stormfire nonsense scales higher for single target

violet nymph May 30, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Divine ire stormfire for nutty single target

proven wadi May 30, 2019, 1:21 AM

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is that even ignite

violet nymph May 30, 2019, 1:29 AM

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@proven wadi yes. It is.

proven wadi May 30, 2019, 1:30 AM

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oh wait divine ire i was somehow thinking of whispering ice

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what am i, senile

violet nymph May 30, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Lol

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 2:08 AM

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📎 wni95z1y99131.png

last river May 30, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Looks very meh

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I don't think evasion/dodge are good enough to keep hits off you for four seconds when it matters

violet nymph May 30, 2019, 2:11 AM

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The numbers on that are just kinda meh?

last river May 30, 2019, 2:12 AM

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I guess you could hit yourself and treat it like 20% more evasion rating permanently but like

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What can you use evasion rating for

violet nymph May 30, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Like if it was stronger it'd be good for self dmg build or meleen

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But as it stands. Just kinda weak

marsh wagon May 30, 2019, 2:13 AM

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What can u use to hit urself

solid nova May 30, 2019, 2:15 AM

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gluttony for one

proven wadi May 30, 2019, 2:20 AM

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also like, 20% more evasion rating, how strong is that even

solid nova May 30, 2019, 2:20 AM

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who's hoping the slayer changes reword "Life Leech effects are not removed at Full Life" to "Leech effects are not removed early"

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or something to that nature

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for QOTF, pretty big, for everyone else, meh

proven wadi May 30, 2019, 2:21 AM

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qotf is also capped though isnt it

solid nova May 30, 2019, 2:22 AM

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the speed is, but 20% more eva on top of a QOTF build might make you unhittable

proven wadi May 30, 2019, 2:22 AM

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as unhittable as simply blinding enemies?

quartz dome May 30, 2019, 2:42 AM

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I'm wondering if that node is good for gladiator since you just block every hit you take

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and then you get free evasion multiplier

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use thousand teeth and other evasion gear

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🤷

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fuck why are so many people brainlessly going "BuT wHaT aBoUt Ee!?!?" am I having a stroke

unborn sphinx May 30, 2019, 2:56 AM

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are the legion unique jewels which modify the skill tree gonna be pretty rare?

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like, Unnatural Instincts on release kind of rare?

quartz dome May 30, 2019, 2:57 AM

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nobody knows

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I hope not but probably drops from the respective legion in the map encounters

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so likely doing those a lot will yeild a jewel eventually

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alternatively it may just drop from the respective legion at any time, since the skill tree is sorta related to leveling in a way

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 3:06 AM

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We can only expect the drop are going to be common to super rare.
Tho i'd like to note that there have to be quite the number of drops to get a fair pool of all the different X, Y numbers modifying what nodes gets affected.

leaden wraith May 30, 2019, 3:18 AM

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if anything it shouldnt be more rare than end game league specific items

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during their respective leagues

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so not too bad presumably

proven wadi May 30, 2019, 3:21 AM

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:ll oh

sand spade May 30, 2019, 3:32 AM

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Do we know if Herald of Ice will proc on the "frozen" legion monsters?

leaden wraith May 30, 2019, 3:36 AM

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no

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we dont

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i mean those legion monters wont be considered frozen for HOI purposes

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but we dont know shatter can pop

wide ridge May 30, 2019, 4:37 AM

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wind dancer is three things:
-20% damage from Dots if you haven't been hit recently
-20% damage from the first time a boss hits you
+20% evasion when you're wading though mobs in melee

plush zealot May 30, 2019, 4:41 AM

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it gets rid of EE tho

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feelsbad

wide ridge May 30, 2019, 4:42 AM

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assuming the jewels work like that, I guess?

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I feel like GG would make maybe 20 new notables, not one for each notable for each army

minor jungle May 30, 2019, 4:46 AM

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well, the newest one seems to have at least 2 notables in the same jewel looking at the outline pattern of the circle

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who knows, maybe they made 20 new notables for each one that are relatively 'safe'

wide ridge May 30, 2019, 4:48 AM

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the phase acrobatics area will be interesting

midnight phoenix May 30, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Yer idk about u guys but im just busy looking for keystones that are good when i delete acrobatics with them to get to phase acro

wide ridge May 30, 2019, 4:52 AM

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the jewel is in range of both tho

midnight phoenix May 30, 2019, 4:52 AM

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The jewel below

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Only hits acro

wide ridge May 30, 2019, 4:52 AM

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oh dang, it does

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I wonder if overlapping legion jewels will pull anything? EE and perfect agony are both in range of two

languid path May 30, 2019, 4:58 AM

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minor jungle May 30, 2019, 4:58 AM

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oh man getting phase acrobatics and going ES or something would be sweet

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or maybe they'll think about that and have another massive drawback :/

wide ridge May 30, 2019, 4:59 AM

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or just move PA above the mid line

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normal acro I mean, just nudge it slightly out of the radius

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 5:15 AM

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I wish there was an item that added "your attacks can not pierce" and gained +1 to Chain

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Reason: for *Ice Shot with its skill Jewel.

vital kite May 30, 2019, 6:19 AM

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anyone know if the melee patch affects summon melee

silver kettle May 30, 2019, 6:23 AM

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We don't know yet. My guess is yes but nothing from GGG

marsh wagon May 30, 2019, 6:55 AM

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I really like the initial - 20%

wild arch May 30, 2019, 7:01 AM

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Is this basically kintsugi in a keystone?

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Because this means 20% less darkness damage taken

marsh wagon May 30, 2019, 8:40 AM

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Isn't delve darkness, 'special' dmg that cannot b mitigated?

patent canyon May 30, 2019, 8:41 AM

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it is special damage

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however the generic damage reduction works for it since it is damage too

marsh wagon May 30, 2019, 8:42 AM

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So any 'all dmg reduced' will work...

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Like fortify

patent canyon May 30, 2019, 8:42 AM

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fortify negates hits

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darkness doesnt hit

wild arch May 30, 2019, 10:09 AM

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The only things that reduce generic damage are kintsugi, juggernaut and now wind dancer

haughty harbor May 30, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Inb4 kintsugi nerf with patch notes

tawdry badger May 30, 2019, 10:21 AM

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Kintsugi wind dancer jugg

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New delve meta

wild arch May 30, 2019, 10:24 AM

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That's 45% darkness reduction if they stack normally

livid lake May 30, 2019, 10:29 AM

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wind dancer instead of EE though

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its also a pretty ass position for most builds that dont take EE to start with

fallen tulip May 30, 2019, 10:57 AM

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only 3 points for builds that spec that jewel slot

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but yea probs not very usual placement for juggernaut

marsh wagon May 30, 2019, 10:58 AM

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U get powerful flares that cost nearly nothing...

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Not sure if darkness really a problem unless drastically under azurited

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 11:04 AM

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I'm still not sure if the original Keystone matters at all

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actually I think it won't

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By the Vaal Jewel teased

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Then again they have deliberately hidden all the second Keystones close to jewel slots on all the other Faction Jewels

bitter goblet May 30, 2019, 11:07 AM

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yea i dont get why people think the original keystone would matter

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 11:08 AM

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What we don't know is whether one Jewel can convert more than one Keystone without the results being the same

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But it's still big because Pathing will be so different either way

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Imagine a Vaal Jewel that makes all those traveling nodes worthwhile and maybe then some

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you could go places on the tree you've never gone before!

sinful hazel May 30, 2019, 11:30 AM

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@gentle ermine I think there is a ring that does that. Snake pit iirc

frigid raptor May 30, 2019, 11:53 AM

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what do you guys think about the damage you have to deal to frozen legion enemies? after you press the monolith, for freeing mobs you need to kill them once and then they respawn or do you have to deal a specific amount of min damage from them to be unfreezed after?

void juniper May 30, 2019, 12:15 PM

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You have to deal enough damage to frozen soldiers to break them out, after the timer ends all unfrozen soldiers start attacking

frigid raptor May 30, 2019, 12:23 PM

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and what is "enough damage"

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is it a stable percent of health or

violet nymph May 30, 2019, 12:24 PM

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no one knows the only way to tell is watch a few vids for the mobs hp levels and guess at the char doing the damage

north dragon May 30, 2019, 12:31 PM

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8 more years till legion

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😦

void juniper May 30, 2019, 12:34 PM

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8 more years to decide what build im going to play

languid path May 30, 2019, 12:34 PM

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you waiting for 10.0?

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ayy me too

dusty salmon May 30, 2019, 1:10 PM

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@void juniper I will either go with another spam spell character with cast-on-ignite , or a full block gladiator

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Hope they don't nerf the gladiator tree and i can still get 83% block

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Seeing what they did with immortal call, i can totally see it as "Blood and sand: You permanently bleed while in blood stance. You permanently have 0% accuracy while in sand stance. Cyclone range reduced by 2."

finite haven May 30, 2019, 1:12 PM

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i just want that blind aura

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25% reservation for blind is great

dusty salmon May 30, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Hope it's good. I'll give it a try on launch

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From the 3 leagues i played, Delve was great. Betrayal was nice too, despite people complaints, but nowhere as good as Delve. And Synthesis was horrid.

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Not only because of the mechanic itself, which was good on paper, but awfully executed, but because of all the changes mid-league.

I think what i'm looking forward the most is to have a league without many changes several weeks into it

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@sinful hazel No it only works for Spells, that's why i clarified the skill Ice Shot.

marsh wagon May 30, 2019, 2:30 PM

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"enough dmg" is no doubt a scaling amount that is based on the zone level

quartz dome May 30, 2019, 4:48 PM

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If I see someone upset that Wind Dancer "gets rid of EE" again I'm going to rip out the rest of my hair marauder

wet plaza May 30, 2019, 4:50 PM

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am upset

wild arch May 30, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Glancing blows is kinda op now that I thought about it more

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Just run a full block aegis aurora or surrender build and stack up some armour

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With cwdt molten shell

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The damage you take will be extremely negligible and you'll heal back everything you take on block

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:10 PM

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yeah, it's gonna be dope for on-block builds

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since they will be able to cap block for half the investment, and so pour the rest of the build into more whatever

last river May 30, 2019, 5:12 PM

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tbh you might not even need to be glad to do it

low kindle May 30, 2019, 5:17 PM

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100% evasion raider with perfect form
Pog

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:18 PM

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I coulda sworn there was something that gave like, chance to start ES recharge on block

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or something like that

patent canyon May 30, 2019, 5:19 PM

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📎 unknown.png

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:19 PM

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and there it is. Thanks!

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:28 PM

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there is a suffix that grants es on block also.

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:28 PM

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is probably stupid, but max block occultist shenaniganry anywhere?

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yeah, on shaper shields

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:28 PM

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as long as its fun its not stupid

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i ran a melee cybils paw build for giggle.

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:28 PM

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How much does it give?

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:29 PM

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of Shaping Suffix 68 Recover (3-5)% of Energy Shield when you Block

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:29 PM

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marauderthinking

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Hmm

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:30 PM

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really hope max block in legion is close tot he old days, i miss having a legacy crest of perandus in new leagues

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Is there a flat hp or es gain on block mod?

haughty harbor May 30, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Es gain on block rolls on rare shields methinks

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:32 PM

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yeah @wild arch

haughty harbor May 30, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Unless it's life only and you use aegis aurora instead

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I'm aware of surrender and aurora

haughty harbor May 30, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Yeah check rare rolls on shields then

sinful hazel May 30, 2019, 5:33 PM

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shaper shields

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:33 PM

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https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Blocking a few but most are unique based

Path of Exile Wiki

Blocking

Blocking is a means of preventing damage from enemy attacks by fending with a shield, staff or dual wielded weapons after Evasion and Dodge has failed. The base chance to block when using a shield (22 to 33%) or a staff (12 to 18%) is determined by the base item type. When du...

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:33 PM

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There is another gimmicky option

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Pale king with 1k teeth

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But you lose out on a helmet in this case

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:35 PM

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the Testudo tree node grants 8mana on block. and generic rare mods grant 5 to 100life on block and 4 to 39 mana on block

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lvl75 on the t1 mods on life and mana

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:36 PM

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That's a bit low

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:37 PM

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t1 life is 86 to 100, mana t1 is 31 to 39 on block

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hope they add a percent life on block

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nvm shaping has
of Shaping Suffix 68 Recover (3-5)% of your Maximum Life when you Block shield_shaper 800
default 0
of Shaping Suffix 68 Recover (4-8)% of your maximum Mana when you Block

last river May 30, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Well pale king has life

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So it's not too bad, and these builds use rare helmets too I'm pretty sure

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:40 PM

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so, with glancing blows, what's the percent now to cap block?

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:41 PM

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wiki says on modified max block is 75%

last river May 30, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Actually wait that's an awful idea, that's still less life in the best case than surrender

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:41 PM

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41%

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:41 PM

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misses 90block build

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Can't you still do that?

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:42 PM

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maxblock is 78% with Anvil

last river May 30, 2019, 5:42 PM

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It's 81 with glad + anvil

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I mean uh

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:42 PM

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82

last river May 30, 2019, 5:42 PM

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82

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Yes

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:42 PM

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And you can get 1 more from shield corruption

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:43 PM

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it used anvil and crest of perandus, when we was still fleshing out the list of possible corruptions

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:43 PM

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The Catarina chest piece periodically casts random offerings that affect you

last river May 30, 2019, 5:43 PM

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What's that called again

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I forget

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The chest I mean

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Same

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Queen's something

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:44 PM

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2 abyss jewel mods grant block chance, 2% spell and atk dmg

last river May 30, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Queen's hunger

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Oh hey

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This chest looks good for soulwrest

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Wait nvm it gives life on block

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I thought it added max block chance

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So uhhhh

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Wall of brambles

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vanity

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:47 PM

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so, it seems occ can hit (attack) block cap with just a Xirgil's crank, the new node, and the staff wheel close to witch start

low kindle May 30, 2019, 5:47 PM

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why would you use Xirgil's crank with the new keystone

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you're gonna be interrupted every single hit

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:48 PM

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occultist

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recharge doesn't stop if it's started recently

low kindle May 30, 2019, 5:48 PM

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that can work yeah

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:49 PM

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one build im gonna be trying in legion wil be tricky but fun. i like the new rathpith globe. gonna use it with cybils paw

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:50 PM

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I think my starter is just gonna be glacial hammer trickster chaosthinking

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:51 PM

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ill prob start with poison arrow for gear and migrate to my actual build after a bit

dire rivet May 30, 2019, 5:52 PM

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how do you guys actually think up a build? like theres so many spells and nodes and items and sheit what makes u think a new build is gonna be good (or an old one!)

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Most of it comes down to experience

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Oh hey I had this stupid idea yesterday: dark pact poison prolif pf

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Jzir, start with a combo or skill or idea that you like

dire rivet May 30, 2019, 5:52 PM

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i normally just follow a meta guide lol

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:52 PM

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then start looking into how you could scale it

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:52 PM

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i try to do a new build every league. and often let the loot i kill for dtermine how build ends up.

low kindle May 30, 2019, 5:52 PM

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I like entertaining mechanics in a build

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 5:52 PM

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You learn a lot by doing that and you get decently far usually 😃

dire rivet May 30, 2019, 5:53 PM

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i startede with scourge arrow this league then went to bane/sr

low kindle May 30, 2019, 5:53 PM

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life occultist tree is kinda cool, for example

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:53 PM

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the only failure is one you refuse to learn from. so when you realize a build is dead try to see what make it die and not do it again

dire rivet May 30, 2019, 5:53 PM

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im never playing an arrow build again, its crapola for shooting through doorways

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 5:53 PM

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pick skill
pick class
pick important nodes
path to said nodes
fill up to at least 170% max life
done

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:53 PM

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New idea

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:53 PM

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t shot the doorways. i sometimes use a ranged totem for them

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 5:53 PM

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or more usually

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look at someone elses build

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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chuck in a grenade and close the door

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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fix what i dont like

dire rivet May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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lol

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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templarthumbsup

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Str stacking jugg cyclone with 2 aoe per str maces

dire rivet May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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id quite like an exploding corpses build tbh

wild arch May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Hurricane juggarina

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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multiple totem with toxic rain is one i love to shuck in a doorway.

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Exploding Corpses will be real good next league

dire rivet May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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o rly?

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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with the right kind of gear

last river May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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What makes you say that

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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I theory crafted something that had 2mil Shaper dps without even trying hard

dire rivet May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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will it be achievable by a casual player

last river May 30, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Got a pob?

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Depends on availability of the new gear

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Uhm, nah but I can click it together real quick if you want

last river May 30, 2019, 5:56 PM

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What items does it use?

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I assume the zombie corpse gloves?

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Yea but those aren't even that important

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They allow you to use DD or VD I guess

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 5:56 PM

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im loving the new helm they teased along side the gloves

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 5:56 PM

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the 100% life on them is the important part

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I'll click it up real quick 😃

dire rivet May 30, 2019, 5:57 PM

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i quite liked how tanky occultist was too

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is occultist corpse explosion a thing?

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using es

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rather than life

solid nova May 30, 2019, 5:58 PM

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I mean, if you're playing occ, you're obv going to go ES

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and sure, you can scale DD/VD on occ pretty easily, you start at the top of the tree

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OH MY GLOB

wild arch May 30, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Mistress of sacrifice with the new gloves

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And a VD totem

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Potentially infinite speed scaling

solid nova May 30, 2019, 6:09 PM

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someone smarter than me, can you still cap block with a reasonable investment, going acro/phase raider?

patent canyon May 30, 2019, 6:09 PM

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with glancing blows, yh

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otherwise it is no longer reasonable price

solid nova May 30, 2019, 6:09 PM

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I can just imagine dodging/evading near everything, and blocking the rest

final plume May 30, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Will we be able to animation-cancel Multistrike-supported skills?

solid nova May 30, 2019, 6:11 PM

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pretty sure that was mentioned a devblock somewhere

final plume May 30, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Nice

coarse jackal May 30, 2019, 6:11 PM

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i feel like theres gonna be a ton of bugs/balance things with the new jewels

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every time they change tree they have to remember those jewels and balance around it

dire rivet May 30, 2019, 6:12 PM

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i cant find anyone on poe.ninja with detonate dead builds 😅

sinful hazel May 30, 2019, 6:12 PM

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some freind have been theorizing that each jewel has a keystone tied to it so it replaces the stone and ignores nodes around it and simply overlays the new nodes

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 6:14 PM

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We know that even non-Vaal Jewels can also replace non-Keystone nodes

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at least one of them

solid nova May 30, 2019, 6:20 PM

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yeah, hopefully the keystone replacements are tied to the seed of the jewel, and not dependent on original keystone

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would allow more build diversity

quartz dome May 30, 2019, 6:21 PM

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They should be because that would just be much easier to do and make sense

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"Is this a keystone type node? >> replace with rand(seed#) keystone from this jewels list"

violet nymph May 30, 2019, 6:22 PM

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they definitely have everything to do with the jewel

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on nothing to do with placement

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speaking of

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the jewel socket with the most notables in its radius is the shadow jewel socket right under mind drinker

quartz dome May 30, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Which is why people "sad EE is replaced" makes me hurt myself in confusion

violet nymph May 30, 2019, 6:23 PM

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with 21 notables

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i found out how many notables are in each of those 6 jewel sockets

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for shadow, 21.

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ranger, 14

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duelist, 19

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marauder, 14

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templar, 17

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and witch, 20

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none of them also have keystones in their radius

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these are all the jewel sockets with a keystone in their radius, will be important to find which of these has the most notables in radius

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it's probably the acro one or a scion one

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i can't do that calculation right now cause i'm going to a friend's house

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but if anyone wants to get that information it'd be a good idea

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compile it somewhere for strategies regarding legion jewels

native sonnet May 30, 2019, 6:28 PM

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its already been done, there was a post /table on reddit the day it was announced

violet nymph May 30, 2019, 6:28 PM

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oh lol

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well

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i'm slow then i guess

thick knot May 30, 2019, 6:29 PM

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I'm really excited to see how the new weapon specific support gems work

violet nymph May 30, 2019, 6:29 PM

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yes

thick knot May 30, 2019, 6:29 PM

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It would be nice to have weapon choice have a more noticeable impact on skill function

coarse jackal May 30, 2019, 6:31 PM

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yes

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weapon choice was more of attacks only

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spells kinda didnt give a damn

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except shaped mods of course

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so there might be some more variety with gems/support gems being introduced

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 6:34 PM

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I really like the fact that they split up some weapon types into spell/attack weapon

placid grotto May 30, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Heh seems to be getting blurred recently

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IIRC bows make good caster weapons

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Wraeclast is a weird place

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Hell yea.

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Freezing Pulse going through doorways

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finally.

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 8:28 PM

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that just made a bunch of the builds i tried viable. gonna be fun seeing what other QOL tweaks they will announce

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 8:34 PM

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That one has been so annoying for so long

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 8:40 PM

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wonder what they are gonna do with GC being blocked by small rocks

patent canyon May 30, 2019, 8:41 PM

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hopefully same

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maybe we will be able to defeat doorways and pebbles after dealing with gods

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: )

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 8:42 PM

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probably harder since it is a ground effect

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 8:45 PM

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they did say terrain so id assume the rocks was included in the rework

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 8:46 PM

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is it just me, or does this feel more like a combat rework patch then a melee patch. Granted we have not seen the melee gems yet but it seems most changes are just things in combat in general that is equally important to everyone.

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 8:47 PM

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the melee teases will come later, for now they seem to be teasing small stuff to please the non melee and to build hype

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 8:48 PM

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wish they did the same for melee in the previous 3 leagues lol

tame mason May 30, 2019, 8:48 PM

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indie company btw

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 8:48 PM

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tencent is indie?

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 8:48 PM

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yea. but been playing flashback to derust my melee and tree pathing.

tame mason May 30, 2019, 8:49 PM

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no tencent is money

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 8:49 PM

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i'm not sure you can claim indie anymore once you are owned by a major corp like tencent

tame mason May 30, 2019, 8:49 PM

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and they did say they will do QoL improvements as they go toward 4.0.0

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indie is creative control not amount of money

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 8:50 PM

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they can keep the indie vibe and be owned by a biggie

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 8:53 PM

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hopefully they do something about names soon, been waiting for an announcement about that. It's starting to get impossible to get a name unless you just throw in random letters

thick knot May 30, 2019, 9:03 PM

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I'd say a company with enough freedom to maintain a "When it's ready" and "No Crunch" philosophy to updates is still pretty indie.

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Compare that to say, Bioware post EA releasing half finished games.

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:04 PM

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So ubisoft is indi? CD Project red?

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Dosnt that make the term indi kinda useless?

thick knot May 30, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Didn't red just get outed for having a really vicious development environment?

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Dont know but what got that to do with being indi or not?

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they have worked on cyberpunk 2022 for like 8 years

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that would be inline with the "when it is ready"

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 9:06 PM

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GGG is now the exact opposite of what constitutes as an Indie developer though

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Both in terms of financial situation as well as company size among other things

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Yea tencent more or less told them to get korean translation and do it noaw

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 9:07 PM

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why would tencent care about non chinese versions

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Caring about their player base doesn't really make them "indie"

thick knot May 30, 2019, 9:08 PM

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They're not Indie in the extremely literal sense

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But treating your devs like human beings with actual lives is still a pretty maverick move in this industry.

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:08 PM

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tencent cares about money

lucid stone May 30, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Yeah but tencent doesnt head their customer relations/community management

rapid solar May 30, 2019, 9:09 PM

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The vast majority of Indie Developers do not even have a person/department for community management

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Tencent is quite invested in the korean market not just china

lucid stone May 30, 2019, 9:10 PM

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What is even the definition of indie? Just 'non-AAA'?

thick knot May 30, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Quite a few Indie devs also don't give a single shit about their players. Phil Fish springs to mind. It's not really a meaningful barometer, honestly.

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 9:10 PM

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indie is a term with no concrete meaning

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:10 PM

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The original definition was a dev studio without a publisher deal

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 9:10 PM

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people usually refer to small companies

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:10 PM

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now who knows

thick knot May 30, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Which is why I'm just using it as an excuse to praise GGG for being pretty cool to their code monkeys

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:12 PM

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indie means independent developer...if you are owned by another company you are no longer independent.....

lucid stone May 30, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Are they owned by tencent? Pretty sure Chris and co. still have the reins.

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:13 PM

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they are owned

lucid stone May 30, 2019, 9:13 PM

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K

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 9:14 PM

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10cents has a large amount of shares

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but they dont manage ggg

livid apex May 30, 2019, 9:14 PM

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GGG are autonomous, but they are a tencent company

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Large as in majority share

livid apex May 30, 2019, 9:14 PM

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large as in 80%

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 9:14 PM

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ye

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:14 PM

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yeah that sounds like a controlling share to me

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:15 PM

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51% or 80% same same in terms of ownship

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 9:15 PM

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GGG listens to the fans and that is what i feel makes a true Indie Dev.

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 9:15 PM

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yea but they allegedly dont have any control

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due to contract

rotund sky May 30, 2019, 9:16 PM

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sometimes the parent company will just let the other company do what they want as long as they keep making money

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:16 PM

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contracts have expiration dates and loop holes. But tbh i don't see tencent doing anything bad so long as everything stays green. If it ever dips in the red you can bet they will start exerting their control though

lucid stone May 30, 2019, 9:16 PM

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How do you have true indie if you dont have a concrete definition

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:17 PM

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to me indie means an independent dev 😛

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:17 PM

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that's exactly what it means

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 9:18 PM

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they started on their own and that doesnt change just cause they got big or joined another company

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:18 PM

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even if tencent has no say over what ggg does, they are still owned by tencent so you can't call them indie.

rotund sky May 30, 2019, 9:18 PM

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this has veered off topic from #1┃mirage-league lets move to a different channel

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:19 PM

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So because a company started on their own it means they are indie? So blizzard is a indie company?

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 9:19 PM

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thats semantics, Im about to load up a toon and spend a bit thinking up a cool punny name for the toon

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Microsoft is indie?

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 9:19 PM

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tempted to fallback to flicker pun but cant think of any right now.

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:20 PM

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but yeah, names need cleaned up. most names even off the wall ones you would think havnt been taken are indeed taken

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 9:20 PM

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might end up a flicker poison with the passive melee splash

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:21 PM

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the greatest race every league is the race to actually get out of the character creation screen cause names take forever

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 9:21 PM

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thats true for most games that have the feature and multi. its part of the fun now coming up with a new name. plus i can always delete an older toon if i wanna steal the name

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:22 PM

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its true but most games with multiple players that's been around as long as poe has, has done multiple name clean ups by now

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has poe even done one yet?

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 9:23 PM

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doesnt bother me. i rarely have to try more than a few times to get mine. and thats been true since pre-ambush for me

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:23 PM

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trick is prebook a name, then ask ggg to swap name with your crappy one

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😉

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 9:24 PM

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kinda wanna do a Statik Shock static striker. was gonna synth as i had a 20q static drop on ledge

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:25 PM

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i always get my first good drop on the ledge, that place loves me

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well "good" i mean things like goldrim

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i have a love hate relationship with goldrim, always have a hard time getting rid of it once i got it cause it screws my resists all up. end up having to buy a whole new set of gear just to replace the thing

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 9:28 PM

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i hope flicker splash is large enough to trigger the frozen mobs at a reasonable rate. if not good old arc totem will do.

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:29 PM

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flicker sounds to me like a skill that would be annoying during the league mechanic

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doesn't it just hit a bunch of random targets?

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 9:29 PM

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it was during synth

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 9:29 PM

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yeah synth would be more frustrating then annoying

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it was literal garbage that league lol

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i think this mechanic it would be functional but not optimal as you won't get to choose what you want too well so it will be harder to maximize it

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but tbh i never done flicker strike so i'm not entirely sure how it works.

dusty cove May 30, 2019, 9:34 PM

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conc path ❤

leaden storm May 30, 2019, 9:35 PM

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conc path is amazing

lyric burrow May 30, 2019, 9:38 PM

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alot of if it will work relies on the forthcoming patch notes

dire locust May 30, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Beep and le boop

vocal yacht May 30, 2019, 10:28 PM

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WHAT THE FUCK?

wide totem May 30, 2019, 10:28 PM

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huh

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Not expected

vocal yacht May 30, 2019, 10:28 PM

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nope

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mate

last river May 30, 2019, 10:29 PM

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wtf

vocal yacht May 30, 2019, 10:29 PM

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thatt can be good af

last river May 30, 2019, 10:29 PM

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So ES is dead again then?

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Because like

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You can't realistically get the ES you need from just gear + tree without making substantial sacrifices

vocal yacht May 30, 2019, 10:29 PM

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its pretty close to the witch start right?

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 10:30 PM

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📎 D72TEtaV4AAGAi9.png

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 10:30 PM

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50% less recovery tho

last river May 30, 2019, 10:30 PM

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It's within 6 nodes

wide totem May 30, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Yeah, which is admittedly a lot

last river May 30, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Yeah that recovery modifier is brutal

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You may as well just play RF instead

copper kernel May 30, 2019, 10:30 PM

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might be useful for a support or some shit

last river May 30, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Because you'll be regening life as quickly as you regen ES right now

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Hopefully occ isn't getting gutted to make room for this because if it is, ES will be at levels of usage similar to those after the patch where they removed the nodes behind CI\

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 10:32 PM

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i don't like it, may be more useful for Eldritch battery.

last river May 30, 2019, 10:32 PM

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Wait

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Is there anything that stops your ES recharge when you're using EB?

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Or is it recharging 100% of the time

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 10:33 PM

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i get my EB build ES stoped while taking DOTs most of the time.

last river May 30, 2019, 10:33 PM

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I would genuinely rather use a xirgil's crank and the new double block keystone than this keystone tbh

wide totem May 30, 2019, 10:34 PM

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only thing is that this is on the normal tree

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which might open up a lot of things

last river May 30, 2019, 10:34 PM

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But it means that occ's wicked ward node is getting gutted

wide totem May 30, 2019, 10:34 PM

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most likely

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yeah

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It was somewhat to be expected it feels like

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 10:34 PM

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well if it is a new node we have more areas to convert, but im to lasy to check the skill tree.

vocal yacht May 30, 2019, 10:35 PM

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but then what monstrosity will come?

last river May 30, 2019, 10:35 PM

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The only way pure ES on anything except mana guardians is surviving is if occ's wicked ward node is changed to read "50% more energy shield regeneration rate, 50% more maximum total recovery per second from energy shield leech"

tough roost May 30, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Because as we all know, Occultist was the only viable ES class

last river May 30, 2019, 10:36 PM

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I mean there's also mana guardian

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imo if you're pure ES on any other ascendancy you're making a mistake

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Yee, i am re-considering a ES Mana Armour build.

tulip warren May 30, 2019, 10:38 PM

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sup fam, are there any reasonable mana guardian builds that are solo viable?

last river May 30, 2019, 10:38 PM

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There's mana guardian RF

wide totem May 30, 2019, 10:38 PM

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there is?

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 10:38 PM

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I'll only look in to it when we have the patch notes.

tulip warren May 30, 2019, 10:38 PM

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hmm yeah. more interested in something with quick clear though, RF doesnt make use of this new keystone too

last river May 30, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Yeah check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2ULciz80QM

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gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 10:39 PM

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3.4 ... Maybe

last river May 30, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Has guardian gotten substantial changes since 3.4?

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 10:40 PM

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duno

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but ES have, not much just to reduce the maximum.

last river May 30, 2019, 10:40 PM

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ES has only gotten buffs since then hasn't it?

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And guardian has not been changed since 3.4

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I mean the guy is in mirror gear

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 10:41 PM

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But we still have the OP Creep

last river May 30, 2019, 10:41 PM

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But the build can work without it too

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I mean power creep means other builds are getting stronger

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Not that this one is getting weaker

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 10:42 PM

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i could check ninja cus i don't have the energy to POB it.

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yeah theres a number but avarage ES is around 9-14k

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But thats crem de'la crem.

solid nova May 30, 2019, 11:01 PM

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xirgil's maxblock occultist, died before it could ever live

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assuming they gut occultist, anyway

minor oyster May 30, 2019, 11:08 PM

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I wonder if any other ascendancies will be available from these jewels

solid nova May 30, 2019, 11:08 PM

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that's not even from the jewel, that's a new node entirely

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it just exists on the tree now

minor oyster May 30, 2019, 11:09 PM

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wicked ward is an occultist notable im pretty sure

solid nova May 30, 2019, 11:09 PM

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it was

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but if they put it on the tree, I guarantee they removed it from occultist

minor oyster May 30, 2019, 11:10 PM

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lol k

solid nova May 30, 2019, 11:10 PM

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or changed it in a very notable way

sinful hazel May 30, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Hol up

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Wicked ward

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The best part of occultist

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Is a keystone now

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Scouse me

solid nova May 30, 2019, 11:28 PM

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more likely, they're going to remove or change fundamentally that side of Occ

proven wadi May 30, 2019, 11:29 PM

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wait xyrgils crank, you say?

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i hadn't thought of that. but now that you mention it

silver kettle May 30, 2019, 11:36 PM

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it's gonna be the Crank Trickster Glancing Blows meta!

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let's gooooo

sinful hazel May 30, 2019, 11:37 PM

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I'm not disputing that occultist is changing but I'm pretty sure half the reason to go occultist was wicked ward, and now that is just avalible

solid nova May 30, 2019, 11:39 PM

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dude, crank trickster Bane

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what a LEGEND

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Is Xirgil's Crank difficult to get?
I haven't farmed Lab much myself.

solid nova May 30, 2019, 11:40 PM

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nah, super common drop

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I vendored like a dozen copies this league

gentle ermine May 30, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Hmm definitely an interesting prospect

fair prairie May 30, 2019, 11:44 PM

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finally this weekend we get some interesting information

violet nymph May 30, 2019, 11:52 PM

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and with the new staff support gem coming...

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crank builds are now like

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a thing

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that anyone can do

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lol

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though i guess the staff gem will be for melee, where the crank is a spell staff

solid nova May 30, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Although, anything doing block at the top of the tree is going to lack block recovery speed, might be feels bad

wild arch May 31, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Crown of eyes

violet nymph May 31, 2019, 12:04 AM

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oh true

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CoE would be great

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but...

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it doesn't have much flat damage at all

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maybe for some melee ele hit shenanigans it could be cool lol

wild arch May 31, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Trypanon ele hit vanity

sinful hazel May 31, 2019, 12:10 AM

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be scion, be oon booth sides oof the tree at the same time XD

proven wadi May 31, 2019, 12:12 AM

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trypping balls

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also: trypanon cyclone maybe not feel like absolute shit?

tidal fox May 31, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Wicked Ward work with eternal youth,

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?

solid nova May 31, 2019, 12:26 AM

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eternal youth?

tulip warren May 31, 2019, 12:30 AM

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yes

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Cannot think of anything they could replace occy ascendancy with. Wicked ward was an ascendancy defining ability...

solid nova May 31, 2019, 12:32 AM

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wat is eternal youth?

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am I dim?

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Allows hp to regn like es

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Unlocked skill node via unique jewel

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Should stack with wicked ward for uninterruptable regn

solid nova May 31, 2019, 12:40 AM

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yeah, the unstoppable regen was like, occultist's version of slayer overleech

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but now they both get replaced by ANYONE! woo!

tidal fox May 31, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Wonder if you can stack reduced start of recharge

fair prairie May 31, 2019, 12:54 AM

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How is that any different from most slayer things Satorin, almost everything the slayer offered is either a keystone, placed on a skill gem, or a unique now days.

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tbh its about time someone besides slayers got something uniques of theirs given to everyone

copper kernel May 31, 2019, 12:55 AM

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what does the slayer have beyond overleech and super cull

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the gloves are synth so theyre not a factor for now

fair prairie May 31, 2019, 12:56 AM

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added damage for leech is on leech gems, forgot gloves was synth thing thought they was betrayal

copper kernel May 31, 2019, 12:57 AM

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life leech gem doesnt have anything

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and overleech doesnt work on es

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Overleech is a synth glove. Synth was a mistake anyway

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But unlike overleech, wicked ward is now moved to main tree

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So a new ascendancy ability will b available

copper kernel May 31, 2019, 1:35 AM

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we dont know if its moved completely

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 1:35 AM

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It doesn't look like its a jewel mod thp

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N that's not an ascendancy area

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How could it not b moved to main tree?

fair prairie May 31, 2019, 1:36 AM

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moving would mean occulstist no longer have it, could just be copied 😛

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Having a duplicate node equal to am ascendancy? I'll bet against it

fair prairie May 31, 2019, 1:41 AM

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eh maybe just for now, i would be a bit sad if occultists got a rework in the melee league. that should of happened in 3.6 3.5 or 3.4

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every second attention is focused on non melee, is a second its not focused on melee and that's bad.

solid nova May 31, 2019, 1:44 AM

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yeah, like right now, the best thing I can think of new this league is gonna be trickster crank block

fair prairie May 31, 2019, 1:44 AM

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i never actually ever played a shadow yet, i really should try it sometime

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Wicked ward changes to normal tree means occy will get new ascendancy

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Unless u really think ggg will let the league go live with a norm node duplicating an ascendancy

fair prairie May 31, 2019, 1:57 AM

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they have let worse things threw

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like all of synthesis 😛

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Synth was a mistake

lyric burrow May 31, 2019, 3:35 AM

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no argument here, it had its positives but needs a major tweak/overhaul before it standards

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Legion might b too ambitious

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Everything is getting a boost...

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Hopefully it'll go good

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But i think they're over compensating for the succ synth

copper kernel May 31, 2019, 3:36 AM

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legion is hardly ambitious compared to prev leagues

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league is just breach v.2

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 3:37 AM

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But they're tweaking ascendancy, new nodes via jewel, removing wicked ward from occy, new battle mechanics, boss tweaks etcetc

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Any of those could bug out like synth

copper kernel May 31, 2019, 3:39 AM

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wdym

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synths problems were fundamental

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not bugs

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 3:40 AM

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To some, the crash bugs introduced in synth made it unplayable

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Many only fixed at 60-70% of lifespan

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Ppl stuck at kitava....

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Smashed by syndicate without ssd

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Or even with ssd

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All changes could introduce these, especially when they don't properly test n qa

lyric burrow May 31, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Im expecting atleast 2 major rebalances in some fashion during legion. and a bunch of behind the curtain bug fixes. super glad i skipped synth

gentle ermine May 31, 2019, 4:03 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R85frtwvqs4

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marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Synth had luxurious curse immune shields

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:20 AM

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I'll be happy if they don't "rework"/nerfhammer most of the league content a couple weeks in

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That was the final nail in the coffin, when they removed all the synth modifiers i had been farming

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(Not to mention the league was absolute garbage. And i thought Betrayal was good, mind you)

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:21 AM

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Uhhhh

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:21 AM

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Haven't they been bought by one of those chinese megacorps though?

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Chinese people don't know how to make games. They ruin it all via P2W, or by fucking up everything nice in games

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Good thing this game isn't p2w (yet)

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:22 AM

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Did anyone else notice the viper strike randomly hitting twice in the gameplay preview

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:22 AM

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I will posit than limiting trading n storage to dlc is a material advantage u can pay to attain

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There is an argument for p2win

violet nymph May 31, 2019, 8:23 AM

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@dusty salmon something to note about tencent. They generally only buy companies to make it easier to get the game going in china cuz its a Chinese owned company then. They are rather hands off for the non-Chinese version of the game.

agile bison May 31, 2019, 8:24 AM

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well idk about the china no blood policy thou

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wht they gonna do remove bleeding templarLul

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:25 AM

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Ez just turn it white

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That's a lot of sweat

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Minimal extra effort

agile bison May 31, 2019, 8:25 AM

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tell probably will not nerf league content mid league

violet nymph May 31, 2019, 8:25 AM

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There is already the chinese version tho

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With real p2w

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:26 AM

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@agile bison That's the main reason i stopped playing on Synthesis

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:26 AM

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Dota 2 has black blood in the Chinese version

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:26 AM

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Great concept, poor implementation, and the mid-league changes were just annoying

agile bison May 31, 2019, 8:26 AM

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@dusty salmon what changes marauderthinking

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:26 AM

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And any heroes with exposed skulls have masks covering them

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Hasn't the whole synthesis mechanic been reworked 2-3 times?

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:27 AM

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You see

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:27 AM

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with the placements, the bonus tiles spawns, the bonuses on the tiles themselves

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Synthesis was just bad

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Yeah

violet nymph May 31, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Those were all done on the same patch iirc

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:27 AM

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They can't go wrong with breach 2.0

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Blood is not a priority for me

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:27 AM

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I started playing on Delve. That league was awesome

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:28 AM

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I really want delve 2.0

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:28 AM

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And betrayal i liked, even though people complained

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:28 AM

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So i don't have to throw ex to get sulphite

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:28 AM

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I could understand people being annoyed by bullshit out-of-screen oneshots

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but other than that, it was fine, it was hard content but cool

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:28 AM

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Betrayal offered low lv ex farming via itf

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:29 AM

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itf?

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Was arguably a very generous n accessible league for rewards

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Most of the bullshit deaths aren't even offscreen tho

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:29 AM

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It that fled

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:29 AM

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ah yeah that weird girl

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Yep it gave access to easy maxed breachstones

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But if it had been synthesis...

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Week 1 : Uh, she's giving a lot of rewards, so we're making her equal to vagan.

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Week 2 : oops we realised we don't like the area. So we're revamping the syndicate safehouses. Now you fight in space

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Week 2.5: Nah, no space, back to earth

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Sad times

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Week 3 : Cyclone range reduced by 2

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Very sad times synth

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But they did give us cute zana narration

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:32 AM

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Incursion is well thought and executed. Delve is well thought and executed (and a lot of fun!). Breaches are fu naswell because of the mass of mobs

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:32 AM

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We test drived deep delve drop buffs

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:32 AM

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Synthesis was pure garbage

marsh wagon May 31, 2019, 8:33 AM

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But i really don't like having to pay in ex for delve rights above the daily nico

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But if its a problem money can solve it could b worse

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Back to the extremely important topic

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Viper strike can randomly hit twice

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:35 AM

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Multistrike?

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:35 AM

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Look at the clip

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He's fighting hillock

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:35 AM

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oh, cool then

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:35 AM

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On the starting beach

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And it did the double strike animation twice

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:36 AM

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Though, honestly, the best way to apply poison will still be.... firestorm.

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:36 AM

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Are you aware of the viper strike threshold jewel?

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:37 AM

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was it the one that doubles poison time?

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:37 AM

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No

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2% increased damage per poison on enemy

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:37 AM

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ah, no, the one that stacks damage

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ye but the bonus dmg is only applied to viper strike itself

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:37 AM

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Coc firestorm

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:37 AM

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which is one of the worst skills in the game

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:38 AM

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They're clearly buffing it

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Come on >_>

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:38 AM

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I mean, they're nerfing Immortal call

agile bison May 31, 2019, 8:38 AM

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not nerf imo

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Absolute nerf

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From "no damage" to "some damage" is a nerf

agile bison May 31, 2019, 8:39 AM

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they add in elemental

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b4 is phys only

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now is phys and elemental

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Doesn't matter. At high levels, 50 or 70% will get you oneshot regardless

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Ever been shaperslam'd? 😛

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I thought i could tank it with a 10k health character

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Wrong.

agile bison May 31, 2019, 8:39 AM

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probably crit templarLul

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:40 AM

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Just don't get hit templarLul

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:40 AM

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Going melee will likely still be worse

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unless it's one of those abusive obnoxious melee "attacks" which actually behave more like spells

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such as molten strike

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Ok

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:42 AM

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i'll wait and see. If their "rework" includes further melee nerfs, i'll go with a Ice&Fire mage

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With a cast-on-ignite chain

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Enjoy your adjusted winter orb I guess templarthumbsup

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:42 AM

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If melee is still half playable, i'll try out the block glad

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Or a warcry zerker

high crown May 31, 2019, 8:43 AM

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we dont know those ascendancies now they will be modified, changes incoming this weekend

agile bison May 31, 2019, 8:43 AM

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Cyclone CwC blade vortex trickster?

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:44 AM

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Me? Blade flurry(the channeled thingie) with CwC bladevortex and/or bladefall

dusty cove May 31, 2019, 8:47 AM

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cwc charged dash bv 😛

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:48 AM

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STOP IT WITH CWC

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JUST DO COC YOU PEASANTS

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:51 AM

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i was also considering a reverse-knockback build

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with cyclone

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not sure, though, if the reverse knockback is big enough for enemies to be dragged as fast as i cyclone

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:52 AM

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It's fine if you get the kb nodes and support

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:52 AM

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ye but the knockback is capped afaik

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so you cannot kb faster than X units per second

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:53 AM

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Is it tho?

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I don't think there's a cap it's just hard to gear for

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Bows have way more access to kb

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Hence you can do vacuum totems that don't let anything escape

high crown May 31, 2019, 8:55 AM

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why u need reverse-kb when u can use vaal-cyclone for those situations?

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:55 AM

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For full uptime?

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And pulling everything along with you through the map?

high crown May 31, 2019, 8:55 AM

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most of the time mobs chase u not every mob tries to run away or?

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:56 AM

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The default knockback distance is 4 units.[2] Knockback speed is constant, and is 37.5 units/s.[3]

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:56 AM

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I'm sure that pulling them along will be faster

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 8:56 AM

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I mean @dusty salmon Viper Strike is kinda fine for single target, and depending on the range it could be used (-ish) as a clearspeed

I generally have a secondary setup for clearing on non-HoAG viper strike builds but meh

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It's definitely possible to have a viperstrike that feels good at least on single target

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it won't be vaal double strike but it won't suck either :p

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Also the threshold jewel doesn't only give 2% damage per poison, it also gives you free unholy might :p

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:57 AM

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that too

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But infinite damage is the main selling point

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Not really tho

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You'll never get to scale it that much

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10-30 stacks is the most you'll get on a well rounded poison build, shit'll be dead afterwards :p

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Assassin

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 8:58 AM

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I know, I know

wild arch May 31, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Infinite poison duration

knotty yew May 31, 2019, 8:58 AM

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I mean

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nothing lasts THAT long

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when each poison stack ticks for ~100k dps

dusty salmon May 31, 2019, 8:59 AM

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the game crashes way before.