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peak laurel
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Thanks to animation cancelling

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I say better, but it got some QoL's

wet plaza
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just play dancing duo hoag

limpid gorge
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It also depends on how much incubation items drop, considering you can put an incubation orb on every piece of gear. 1k monsters aren't much for 'valueable' currency those are 2 maps, but I guess it goes from jeweller orb up (or maybe fusing orb and up). It gives a nice extra currency reward though especially for speed clearing lower tier maps.

dawn ridge
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The incubation mechanic sounds really good. I think it will motivate people to play more a lot

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you get a guaranteed reward for getting kills

spare talon
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depends, one chaos orb per 2k kills

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🤔 👉 😐

copper kernel
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thats like 2-3 maps

dawn ridge
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well it;s probably not just one chaos per 2k

limpid gorge
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Yes. I think it would feel very good. If they tie better incubation rewards to higher tier maps that would also motivate players. Well you can put incubation stuff on all your gear. It's more like a fuse per 2k. I like the concept.

native sonnet
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wouldnt be surprise if there are league specific uniques (legion or otherwise) that comes from incubators

dawn ridge
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I think the rewards would be the same kind of things distant memories give us now

spare talon
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no

dawn ridge
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a div card, an essence, a currency item, a bestiary item, that kind of stuff

placid grotto
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So 1c/10 mins?

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Or 6c/hr

dawn ridge
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x11 if you can place icubators on all gear and they are widely available

placid grotto
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How much are those things going to go for... If it's 100c spent to roll it, you need to map for about 16 hours to break even

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If it's 20c per each, that's 3-4 hours of farming

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IDK. I don't see how it could work out

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Alcs are "valuable currency" class right

ebon kiln
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how good you think is cyclonen cwc gonna be?

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wrong sub for this quesion?

celest sphinx
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So, if multistrike can now be cancelled at any point during its animation, isnt it just a big faster attacks ?

carmine owl
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What would the cyclone cwc interaction be? I'm still somewhat new and dont completely understand how that would interact

copper kernel
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you...hold down cyclone

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and shit gets cast

violet nymph
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@carmine owl it casts as long as you cyclone

copper kernel
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pretty lame tbh

violet nymph
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slower than coc tho

carmine owl
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Oh nvm I'm disabl3d

violet nymph
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lol

carmine owl
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Disabled. I was thinking it was cast when crit not cast when channel

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Got em mixed up

violet nymph
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coc

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cwc

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owo

carmine owl
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Cause the only thing I ever really used with the cast support gems was an immortal call setup

dawn ridge
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I was also wondering about the multistrike thing. I hope you can't cancel between attacks

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otherwise it would indeed be a faster attacks

sour tiger
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When will the current league end? and will the downtime before 3.7 have the 3.7 changes in standard?

violet nymph
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you can @dawn ridge it's already been stated

placid grotto
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Current league ends in a couple weeks. I thought GGG said there wouldn't be a break in leagues.

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I'm any case, Standard will not have 3.7 content before 3.7 league happens

native sonnet
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they asked if ppl want to drop the breaktime but havent confirmed 1 way or the other

placid grotto
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Ah

dawn ridge
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well I guess a lot of melee support gems will get changed / rebalanced, we'll see how it works out

celest sphinx
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I mean I literally said builds not players ;p

thick knot
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About the multi-strike cancelling: as far as I understand it there's a sort of limited cancel where cancelling after a hit lands causes you to wait to perform the next attack until the first would have finished, you can maneuver still, you just can't throw another attack. Or at least, that's the gist I got from Baeclast.

violet nymph
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you can cancel before an attack hit to get entirely out of it @thick knot

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just won't do that attack at all if you cancel out of it

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example: using a movement skill to get out of the way of a boss hit, between casts

mental apex
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When will we start getting teasers?

violet nymph
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tomorrow

mental apex
thick knot
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Right, but cancelling before and after are functionally different, so the question about Multi-strike remains

violet nymph
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you can cancel before, by using a movement skill between strikes. they clarified this by using spell echo as the example @thick knot

thick knot
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Ah, gotcha.

fair prairie
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with the ability to cancel before and after isn't it possible to boost your damage by quickly canceling your animations after each attack allowing you to move to the next attack quicker

native sonnet
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Don’t think so, in the baeclast demo

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If u queue/spam the movement skill , there is still that slight delay to prevent chaining instant movement

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I imagine there are some similar backend check is there to prevent adding extra attacks by canceling animation

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But I guess it could possibly be a loophole ~~ we’ll see

fair prairie
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I know it was a problem in other games and those game ultimately ended up making it so you can't cancel animations because of it

violet nymph
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yeah they made the movement skill not instant if it's cast within a time frame. in order to prevent that.

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using multistrike will still lock you in the sense that it's more difficult to cancel out of the quicker attacks

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whereas while using faster attacks the game only intends to use one attack

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i'm very interested to see what alterations are made to these gems

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you are right that it'll be harder to cancel out

arctic mirage
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I heard that life gained on hit might be tweaked in 3.7, do we have any updated info on this? Or was it just speculation bs.

violet nymph
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but it is doable basically @violet nymph

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nothing has been stated about life gain on hit @arctic mirage

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i hope the other leech gems are updated to include damage values a la energy leech

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being able to use mana leech support as part of my damage setup would be very nice

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mostly because mana sustain sucks for a lot of builds

arctic mirage
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shrug there are ways to deal with it. I don't think mana is the biggest of issues in poe

fair prairie
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do you think they will make changes to the slayer? Or is it just going to be zerker and gladiator?

violet nymph
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they said they were changing slayer iirc

arctic mirage
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oh yes, I forgot about the glad changes. What exactly was changed about it and where can I read more about those changes?

fair prairie
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well the gladiator is used for one of the new arch types, I call it the Spartacus archetype 😛 Mostly because they stole its name! Blood and Sand

arctic mirage
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does it maintain the attack block to spell block node?

violet nymph
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we know nothing

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none of the actual changes have been revealed, we know only that changes are occuring

fair prairie
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not much is known besides what was on the main recveal page

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which is there is a blood and sand archetype and the gladiator will fit it best.

violet nymph
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luckily, with a much shorter schedule between now and legion's release, we'll probably know most things pretty soon

fair prairie
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well I suspect this seasons information to be almost daily it feels like they held out a lot of information so they can milk the news. Mostly to try and real people back probably provided how cheese this league was. Keep folks interested and checking in until next league pops

violet nymph
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that's... SOON

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11 hours ago in new zealand was yesterday

native sonnet
violet nymph
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WTF

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WHERE'S THE MOM MANA POINTS

fair prairie
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energy shield recharge on life?

placid grotto
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oof no mana nodes for MoM?

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is that how GGG's encouraging melee builds this league?

violet nymph
placid grotto
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mana/ES hybrid nodes?

violet nymph
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maybe idk

placid grotto
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that's what the symbol looks like

violet nymph
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that'd be cool for selfcast heiro shenanigans

native sonnet
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looks like it

placid grotto
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didn't there used to be brand nodes there as well?

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thought htere was a small circle for life/mana regen, brands, and something else for 3 total. That pic only shows 2

quartz dome
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yeah looks like mana ES nodes which means the major notable, and possibly some minors, probably convert some mana into additional ES

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which is always nice

violet nymph
toxic ridge
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looks like ZO got moved over

placid grotto
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ah my mistake. 3rd small circle is still there

violet nymph
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wait, RECHARGE

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WTF

quartz dome
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yeah sounds like a fun node

rigid forge
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That's a corrupted keystone, right

quartz dome
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curious what others there are for the other legions

rigid forge
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so you might be able to get that keystone in different places on the tree

native sonnet
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conquered is the correct term

quartz dome
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it's a vaal keystone, maybe the only one vaal gives

rigid forge
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ah, thanks

quartz dome
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or, the vaal faction of the whatevermajigger

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which seems to deal with "blood blood blood edge edge edge"

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as is typical

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some of the seeds will probably be super good mind you

placid grotto
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looks like you can take multiple big nodes with similar/same effects

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both have the same image

violet nymph
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i need more jesus christ

quartz dome
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probably does nothing

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if you have a keystone and take a keystone you don't get a bonus (sadly) to the keystone

placid grotto
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it's the new hardcore mode 😄

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the more notables keystones, the worse you get

quartz dome
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so it's down to which keystone on the tree you don't need and/or which is most convenient for your build layout

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but this does mean we get at least five new keystones behind these jewels

fair prairie
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I wonder if it will be possible to change RT to be something a bit more impressive

quartz dome
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which makes me wonder how rare they'll really be, but I imagine you get one as a drop from something like 3x or 4x legion groupie fights

rapid solar
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Honestly I'm not sure the other Jewels will all act like the Vaal Jewel, though

violet nymph
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i wonder what these will turn into, acro and phase acro which can both be influenced simultaneously

quartz dome
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nah it doesn't look like it's changing the particular keystones into something else, it's likely there's either just one or possibly two keystones tied to each of these jewels

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odds are, in that socket example, both keystones would become the same one

violet nymph
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think about it though

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the current example seems like the opposite of ZO

quartz dome
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unless there are (a) two keystones, and (b) the seed you get gives you both these keystones

violet nymph
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what if ZO was moved

placid grotto
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they mostlikely behave similarly so GGG can reuse code

rapid solar
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Agreed @quartz dome there only seem to be very few different nodes in one corruption area

placid grotto
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that was one of the big themes of Chris' presentation: Reuse

violet nymph
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my guess is that they came up with corruptions for all of the keystones, but the rest of the passive tree is all very samey on each jewel, with the seed determining the value of the passives

fair prairie
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wonder what we can turn RT into with that jewel socket that is right above it. It would only take a small radius jewel to touch it

quartz dome
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@violet nymph it doesn't seem like the existing keystones are going to be moved around unless a particular one of the jewels is all about "randomness for the lulz" which I doubt due to it being impossible to balance well

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So the ideal tree plans would only want to circle one keystone if you want to grab that faction keystone

violet nymph
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mind over matter has definitely been changed in some way, either moved or altered because the mana nodes are gone

quartz dome
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yes but that is likely just a general skill tree change

rapid solar
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That seems to be ZO now

tough roost
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Most likely moved, Eternal Youth is clearly a corrupted Zealot's Oath

violet nymph
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that's what i think

rapid solar
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"The Vaal Legion Jewel can also corrupt Keystones!" This sounds like the other jewels might not

tough roost
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Well the other ones wouldn't 'corrupt'

violet nymph
quartz dome
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I mean look at the pic again, because both MoM and EE turned into the same Vaal keystone simultaniously

tough roost
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Yeah but look at all the nodes

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They all have the same icon

rapid solar
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not quite all of them

quartz dome
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eh

ancient zephyr
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Hey guys, do we know if on kill effects trigger while beating these armies? Question related to Essence drain Contagion killing the whole army with the chaining contagion?

violet nymph
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i doubt they all do the same thing, it's more likely they just want the player to know all the passives are being altered in some large way

quartz dome
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it would still just make more sense if each faction has their own keystone that overwrites existing keystones in radius, than for them to alter every single existing keystone on the tree

rapid solar
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@ancient zephyr I was wondering if Prolif works at all while breaking

violet nymph
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besides, what would be the point of two keystones in a radius that do the same thing? it's not gonna happen

quartz dome
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ergo, both keystones in the sample pic are likely the exact same keystone

tough roost
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Oh wait no ignore me, I'm blind

ancient zephyr
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@rapid solar yea that too, but contagion has bigger radius

quartz dome
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so at the very least we're getting five new and unique keystones to look forward to

rapid solar
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I sure hope it will work, otherwise ED Contagion is dead this league =/

quartz dome
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gated behind these jewels which I hope aren't hard to get or stupid expensive to buy

quiet geyser
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Just one question, the regen would then scale of your max hp right?

fair prairie
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i hope they are both hard to get and stupid expensive to buy

quartz dome
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granted with how they're deliberately seeded, who the heck knows how the prices will fluctuate

fair prairie
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i like making currency off of new things 😛

violet nymph
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i really doubt all the keystones in this context are the same

quartz dome
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why do you doubt that

violet nymph
quiet geyser
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Why not the left one with the minions explosion?

frail elm
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Ooh

tough roost
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Well, since each Jewel has several different seed. It's possible that every seed only has 1 Keystone it converts things in to

frail elm
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Changed CI might be interesting

violet nymph
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i'd be willing to bet money that the seed only affects random passives and notables on the tree, and that keystones were actually thought about

frail elm
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Yeah I doubt they made 5+ version of each keystone

quartz dome
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!remindme 20 days

brisk capeBOT
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dynoError There was a problem creating your reminder.

tough roost
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This is a jewel that changes EE to something different, so it's probably 1 Keystone per Jewel Seed

frail elm
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The keystone icon looks very similar everywhere

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I think it might be that they affect any keystone in the same way

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So like the previous keystone don't matter, it will always become the new one

quartz dome
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could be 1 keystone per seed or just each keystone is randomly one of two per seed which seems somehow worse but would enable the multi-keystone overlays to be useful

rapid solar
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Oh no, this is actually a different icon here

fair prairie
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Ok heres a question what happens if Two of them intersect on a single keystone? Such a case for example would be possible with Necromatic Aegis near the Scion

tough roost
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You can only have 1

fair prairie
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ah i didn't read that thanks

quiet geyser
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i feel like this wil lmake caster realy strong

fair prairie
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then its likely true that they warp them only to a single keystone based on the seed

quiet geyser
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you could maybe trans form pain attunement or conduit into something insane and then get unnatural instinct

quartz dome
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we'll have to wait and see if the next time they show off a keystone there's another or not nearby

tawny heron
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If the new keystone makes energy shield recharge apply to life, does that mean that if you don't take damage, you'd constantly have your life recharging at an insane rate?

quartz dome
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or more likely wait and see when we get some seeds recorded

quiet geyser
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Zephy

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That means meme devouring diadem occultist

quartz dome
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good god we have a 6 dimensional skill tree now don't we

rapid solar
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Recharge stops at maximum

quiet geyser
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Devouring diadem

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10% chance to start energy shield recharge when you use a skill

tawny heron
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Poggers

fair prairie
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lol that will be op with occultist

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never ending recharge

quartz dome
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huh it really could be

tawny heron
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Life occulist meta

tough roost
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Maybe not OP, since you lose actual ES recharge and still have a lot of base ES

quartz dome
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actually the ES recharge-on-block staff might see use too with gladiator

quiet geyser
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and because the vaal also can turn stuff in life nodes ^^

tough roost
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Oh then again Occultist does have ES Regen on Kill

muted fox
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to my understanding and how I see it work: a keystone being conquered/corrupted is a boolean state and if anything at all, each keystone likely only has 1 corrupted version

tough roost
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Well, judging from the pictures we have available. It's not the keystone it's the jewel seed

rapid solar
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@muted fox We've seen EE change to two different Keystones so far

quartz dome
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(meaning probably 10 new keystones total to look forward to)

rapid solar
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It's very likely simply bound to the jewel

tawny heron
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It's probably each seed has things it turns keystone's/notables into, and it doesn't matter where it is on the tree, it'll always be that for that particular seed

muted fox
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@rapid solar I scrolled up and actually looked at the imaginey - my bad

quiet geyser
quartz dome
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similarly, if it's bound to the jewel the other keystone could be mechanically fighting for the same sort of thing

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so maybe the other vaal keystone possible does the opposite effect??

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🤷

rapid solar
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It also looks like there are always just 2 versions of notables for one Jewel if I've seen correctly

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and 2 versions of mino nodes per jewel as well

quiet geyser
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3 i think

fair prairie
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i am going to say its likely bound to the jewel as well simply due to time constraints while it would be cool if each jewel interacted with every keystone differently its unrealistic to expect that. That is too many combinations to expect of them to add in a 13 week period and also add all the other things the league offers all while working on 4.0 and exilecon

tough roost
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Yeah, I doubt they'd be able to make like 5+ versions of every Keystone in reach. So I'm almost certain it's simply 1 Keystone per Jewel Seed

quiet geyser
quartz dome
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it's actually not that hard to imagine it affecting every keystone, it'd just be a random seed like every other notable

frail elm
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Doesnt that icon seem the same as the transformed EE?

quartz dome
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so seed 1 might have two nearby keystones be the same, but seed 2 they'd be different

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all it has to do is say "is this a keystone? if it is, rand(1) this new keystone"

frail elm
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It's slightly different but so close to it that I think they will be very similar

quiet geyser
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i hope its not to much rng...

quartz dome
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this is PoE, it's 99% rng and 1% whatthefuckkilledme

rapid solar
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The last image with "Eternal Youth" looks like it only has 2 notable types and 2 minor types and 1 keystone type

violet nymph
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fine, a single jewel turns every keystone into a single corrupted keystone out of (???) keystones depending on the seed

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for all we know they created like 10 different keystones for each jewel

quartz dome
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that'd be sorta goofy but yeah

rapid solar
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I somehow doubt it's that many but we'll see

fair prairie
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yeah no, each seed effected every keystone differently based on which seed is effecting which keystone the number of combinations possible would be over the hundreds. I honestly don't think they had the time to make that many new entries, and test them. It's just not going to be how it works. Each seed likely changes every keystone it changes exactly the same way.

violet nymph
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that's not what i meant

quartz dome
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it very likely just says "is this a minor node? change it to (one of these minor nodes); is this a major node? change it to (one of these major nodes); is it a keystone? change it to (one of these keystones)"

violet nymph
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i meant that all keystones in radius are turned into the same keystone depending on the jewel, and each jewel may have like 10 different keystones depending on the seed

quartz dome
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it's seed gated, which isn't like they manually made the tree by hand for every seed

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it's just RNG

violet nymph
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well the rng isn't going to have anything to do with what the keystones actually do

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only what they are

quartz dome
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yes

violet nymph
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the seed would effect which keystone you get

quartz dome
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we've seen 2 keystones for this vaal(?) jewel so far, by image depicted

rapid solar
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It might just be that each jewel rolls 1 Keystone 3 notables and 3 minor nodes and then changes every node in range accoding to its seed

fair prairie
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that is possible yes but no way is it based on which one its affecting

rapid solar
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Agreed @fair prairie

violet nymph
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yes that ship has sailed

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i already made that point

fair prairie
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would be cool though lol

quartz dome
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just imagine each existing keystone as a letter of the alphabet; A B C D E F G
What the jewel likely does is just RNG them to a new letter of an absent alphabet: Z Z Y Z Y Y Z

violet nymph
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i mean, that's possible

quartz dome
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or they're all just one keystone: Z Z Z Z Z Z Z : based off the seed

violet nymph
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that seems more likely

rapid solar
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Oh wait

quartz dome
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however because multiple keystones can be overlapped at once, it's hard to tell yet

rapid solar
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Does it change all Str/Dex/Int Nodes into their respective corrupted counterparts?

fair prairie
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the rng would have to be tied to the stone so it will always be ZZZZZZZ, otherwise people would just pick up the socket and put it back in until they got what they wanted 😛

rapid solar
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has anyone checked?

quartz dome
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I mean it'd be tied to the jewel either way but the jewel seed is static to the jewel itself =_=

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the jewel that gives " Z Z Y Z Y Y Z " would always give that layout

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jewel 2 might give "Z Y Y Y Y Y Z"

violet nymph
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i just want this to break any people's concept of a normal meta

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so like 5-10 keystones possible per jewel

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the templar one might have another totem templarLul

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wouldn't that be nuts

rapid solar
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I honestly think it's more along the lines of 2-3 per jewel

quartz dome
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I imagine 3 at most per jewel unless there's just a selection of new keystones that maybe change flavor text and name but are functionally the same per faction

fair prairie
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eh meta will always be "Clearspeed" Simply because its an ARPG and going fast will always be the most effective way to get loot. So naturally which ever build proves to be the fastest clearspeed will become the newest meta. You can never break that.

violet nymph
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i doubt that

rapid solar
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that in itself would be 15 new keystones if all jewels function the same

eternal turtle
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Damm that new key stone would be amazing for a blood magic LL character

violet nymph
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i guess, but then you don't have recharge for your ES lol

eternal turtle
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Cause you get full ES leech and regen and the ES recharge heals your life

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Who care? Ya have Es regen and leech

violet nymph
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well, ZO will suck because of the keystone, and ghost reaver will be unusable in that context

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so you're relying on spell ES leech

quartz dome
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just use xirgil's crank on gladiator

violet nymph
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or energy leech support

quiet geyser
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and energy leech support is a good link

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Eldrich battery

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and you are done

violet nymph
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i wonder what happened to mom

rapid solar
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It most likely just got moved

eternal turtle
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I hope MoM is one of my fav keystones

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Really wish it could work for ES tho

rapid solar
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Maybe it can 😄

quiet geyser
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yea the node above the vaal keystone, looks like the small ones of mom

rapid solar
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We don't know what the other factions are going to be doing

eternal turtle
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He

quiet geyser
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or maybe they just seperated mom from the mana nodes

violet nymph
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i'm wondering if the passives above eternal youth ARE the new MoM, with minor passives for damage taken from mana before life/increased mana, with it ending up being 30% total

eternal turtle
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Yep.. mom is amazing for small hits and ES is great for the big ones

quiet geyser
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I just think they split it

eternal turtle
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Will kinda suck if the mana passives are before MoM

rapid solar
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Oh yea that might be the case

quiet geyser
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because it was to effectiv in terms of points

copper kernel
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do you have a source for that

rapid solar
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or they gave all of those nodes a small portion of %damage taken as mana

violet nymph
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yeah exactly

quiet geyser
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everything is possible until patchnotes day

eternal turtle
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Or they removed the mana passives ..

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And the changed node was MoM

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Right size / location

violet nymph
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look, the mana notable here is the same one as the one above eternal youth

quiet geyser
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Thats what my theorie is moved the mana nodes up, sapereted them from mom
Too good for mom
or you just took mom for the mana nodes (like guardian)

eternal turtle
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Yep

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And the changed node is mom

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😦 kinda sucks

violet nymph
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ehhh

quiet geyser
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Or they may swapped mom with eldrich battery, becaue it was to good for trickster

violet nymph
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i still think the corrupted node is a moved ZO

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and MoM is hybridized with the mana nodes about it

eternal turtle
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Na cause that hurt Templar who had mom in ascendency

quiet geyser
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I ment zealots oat sorry not eldrich battery*

rapid solar
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I'm not so sure about that anymore Lucien... That is probably just the jewel seed deciding to put inverted ZO in place of every keystone

eternal turtle
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I think it’s mom 😦

violet nymph
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also possible

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well i'd want a large explanation why they're doing that

quiet geyser
violet nymph
rapid solar
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Depending on how random those jewels are you can actually get some super good pathing options with them

quiet geyser
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i hope this makes you sad, it show a different corrution on ee ^^

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so its random and not dependet on the keystone

eternal turtle
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It’s dependant on keystone and jewel seed

violet nymph
#

this is dynamo

eternal turtle
#

They said so we can plan and share jewels

violet nymph
#

that's the same center as half of that new mana wheel, which shares the center with a shield icon

#

it's the new MoM, i'm calling it

rapid solar
#

Trading those jewels will be fun

eternal turtle
#

Na mom is a much bigger keystone

quartz dome
#

to make it less strenuous they probably assigned each wheel its own number to be altered by the seed

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so that each wheel is related even after change

rapid solar
#

If you find a way to tell what they do, while others don't you might get filthy rich

violet nymph
#

mom doesn't have to be a keystone if they hybridize its effects with smaller passives

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which i am very sure they've done here

quiet geyser
#

It will probebly be broken with unnatural instintct near sciaon ^^ xD

tough roost
#

It wouldn't make sense to un-Keystone MoM

quiet geyser
#

Just imagen a dex node now gives +5 crit multi

eternal turtle
#

Na still needs to be keystone cause keystones change things in large ways.. mom does exactly that

tough roost
#

And that Hybrid wheel is Mana/ES 🤔

violet nymph
#

oh shit

quiet geyser
#

were did you find that hybrid wheel on wich picture?

violet nymph
#

you're right

eternal turtle
#

Wheel is Mana/ ES Mom it’s own node again

snow cairn
#

unless they moved mom

violet nymph
uncut rain
#

Do we know any keystone that change and what they do when they change?

quiet geyser
#

Thats what mom small ones looks atm ^^

#

so they split it probebly :^)

tough roost
#

Yeah, the last one is Inspiration, the post-MoM notable.

eternal turtle
#

The mana node

tough roost
#

Now a ES/Mana Hybrid node, the Mana portion probably a lot weaker

eternal turtle
#

^

#

Or maybe same total mana but more points

quiet geyser
#

it was 50% for 3 Nodes

tough roost
#

Also that's too much mana for non post-keystone nodes

eternal turtle
#

Prob 50% for 4 nodes with 12% ES

tough roost
#

Because MoM gave you so much mana because it made that Mana into a life pool

rapid solar
#

It might just be like 8% mana/3% of damage taken from mana for the small nodes

snow cairn
#

nah, then the middle icon wouldn't be ES

tough roost
#

Then why the ES symbol if it's not an ES hybrid node?

rapid solar
#

It's not exactly ES, it's just similar

tough roost
#

It's half of the ES symbol, and half of the Mana Symbol

snow cairn
#

yeah, can't really argue that, it's pretty cut and dry

#

only question is how much did they nerf the notable

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or if they reworked it

rapid solar
#

I don't see any resemblance to the minor ES nodes? Are we talking about the same thing?

tough roost
quiet geyser
#

The icon in the middle

rapid solar
#

Ohh okay I haven't seen that

copper kernel
#

this is some galaxy brain shit

violet nymph
#

so it's mana/ES

#

i wonder if it's gonna have mana gained as ES in it

#

a la arcane will

rapid solar
#

So MoM either moved or got removed

#

?

tough roost
#

No, MoM is probably staying in the same place

rapid solar
#

Or is it still there without any mana nodes behind it?

tough roost
#

The nodes behind MoM got moved

violet nymph
#

it's possible it's staying in the same place, but idk

#

seems weird

#

this slow mode is killing me, it's not that super active in here

snow cairn
#

type in proper sentences then lol

rapid solar
#

Whatever happened to Necromantic Aegis?

snow cairn
#

what's wrong with necroaegis?

rapid solar
#

It's gone

snow cairn
#

it's near conduit

languid path
violet nymph
languid path
#

FLASHBANG

violet nymph
#

lol

tough roost
#

Probably got moved ¯_(ツ)_/¯

snow cairn
#

the new pic doesn't even show the aura cluster

violet nymph
#

so that's 1 out of 3 things for today

snow cairn
#

oh whoops

violet nymph
#

oh shit necro aegis is gone lol

quiet geyser
#

How do you know we are getting more?

tough roost
#

Bex said yesterday

rapid solar
#

they announced 2 teasers and a newspost 😄

tough roost
#

2 Teasers and a news

violet nymph
#

"We have two teasers and a news post lined up for tomorrow!" - bex

quiet geyser
#

kk thx

violet nymph
#

yeah i'm kind of confused, they replaced the spot of necroaegis with some random passives

lucid stone
#

Are all keystones in radius changed to the same keystone?

rapid solar
#

That's what it looks like @lucid stone

lucid stone
#

Slight disappointment but okay

violet nymph
#

yeah same

#

we have seen 2 different keystones though

rapid solar
#

Aren't it 3?

violet nymph
#

so each jewel might have a variety of keystones, but it looks like placement won't be much of a big deal, which is probably for the best

native sonnet
#

we dont know for sure, could be temp art, could be due to seed

lucid stone
#

Blightwell + Eternal Youth?

violet nymph
#

where do we see blightwell

#

what is that

lucid stone
#

The talisman that gives 400% ES recharge when you use a flask

violet nymph
#

oh lol

lucid stone
#

Wait, life occultist?

quiet geyser
#

Uff

lucid stone
#

Life recharge not interrupted by damage

quiet geyser
#

more and more i think a meme build can become great

rapid solar
#

I don't think the non-interruption will transfer to life

violet nymph
#

it specifically states energy shield recharge is uninterrupted, so we've no idea if that even works

lucid stone
#

Ah shame.

#

So does ES no longer recharge?

violet nymph
#

for all we know these jewels are HH-tier chase and none of us will be getting them lol

snow cairn
#

it probably wouldn't

quiet geyser
#

If yes

lucid stone
#

Dont break my heart man

quiet geyser
#

then i would suck

snow cairn
#

hey, i got a hh from bestiary day 1, it can happen to anyone 😄

austere anvil
#

🤢

quiet geyser
#

I dont want onslaught boots shit again,

snow cairn
#

i'm pretty confident they learned their lesson on that front

#

they're usually good about popular feedback

swift pagoda
#

I'd guess rare breachlord item tear

rapid solar
#

They might just be a normal drop from the timeless boss fights

eternal turtle
#

I hope they aren’t rare just need to do it right to acquire

rapid solar
#

With a lot of them being hardly usable due to bad seed rng

quiet geyser
#

Btw ziggy said in his video, the seed will be identifyed through the flavor text ^^

#

so maybe less randomness then everybody things

rapid solar
#

We've only seen one flavor text so far

violet nymph
#

there's also the "#### sacrificed in the name of doryani" shit

minor jungle
#

I love how edgy the new jewels are

placid grotto
#

lol there are 10k seeds per jewel

quiet geyser
#

I belive its 2 part wich can be random the one whe know is

They Belvived Themselves The pinnacle of civilisation,
but that height toppled their empire

i assume these 2 lines can be random out of a set of x

meager meadow
#

i wonder how much a jewel with 6969 seed will sell for

native sonnet
#

less than 1337

quiet geyser
#

new item

cerulean lava
#

so is ed contagion goijng to kill everything in the legion thing

eternal turtle
#

Wtf is the point in the increased duration if they take damage per second

quiet geyser
#

you can get a lot of minion regen 🤷

ivory nimbus
#

ED cont might not spread between the statues... but that would make it terrible

cerulean lava
#

its either going to be dogshit or op

eternal turtle
#

Dog

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Cause it’s melee league

wild arch
#

Combine this amulet with the rs helmet? marauderthinking

cerulean lava
#

what skill looks the coolest to you guys? im thinking about going sunder

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looks sexy

eternal turtle
#

Flicker

wild arch
#

The chain hook thing

eternal turtle
#

Cause I live flicker

cerulean lava
#

is flicker in the trailer?

violet nymph
#

that SRS amulet is literally minion instability lmao

quartz dome
#

SRS is literally magic missile now

#

sounds like fun

violet nymph
#

so my brother's cyclone cwc SRS build makes way more sense

quiet geyser
#

add herald of purity

hard hinge
#

i mean...raging spirits don't even take aggro from things anyways right? so giving them increase max life but doing % max life damage to them seems a bit pointless

quiet geyser
#

minion instability ^^

#

im just confused about hte -1 chaso res

rapid solar
#

Probably some huge range

hard hinge
#

ahh yeah that would apply i guess and maybe it's just got a large range on the -res? cause yeah 1% is basically nothing

rapid solar
#

-20 to +20 or so

hard hinge
#

i doubt it'd ever have positive ranges on it

tough roost
#

+20 would be weird, since giving SRS Life and then degening them just seems like a "Make your SRS explode" item

quartz dome
#

I mean if you want the srs timebombs to last longer you can get some minion chaos res (and life!) on the tree

rapid solar
#

How much life do they even have?

quartz dome
#

but ultimately just stack a shitton of minion speed

#

srs - minion damage - minion life - ignite - conc effect - idklol

hard hinge
#

bit of cast speed too to make sure you can keep up a good amount of them

tough roost
#

SRS have.... 3250 at level 20

quartz dome
#

could also link spell echo if you wanna go cheese

#

but I feel like there's a better socket

tough roost
#

Which is almost double what Skeletons have

#

So if Popcorn Skeletons were good, then Popcorn Spirits should also be pretty good

quiet geyser
#

is 90k per srs enaugh?

tough roost
#

Would 90k per anything ever not be enough, really

hard hinge
#

there's a few other uniques for srs too right any of them give any sort of synergy?

tough roost
#

There's Mark of the Red Covenant, but that wouldn't be great

quiet geyser
#

10% chance to trigger srs on kill

tough roost
#

Well, it could be good, if your SRS die fast enough

rapid solar
#

Baron?

quiet geyser
#

but its lvl so probebly useless

quartz dome
#

baron is a good minion hat in general but it'd be odd to use that exclusively for srs

#

baron for some meatshield zombies to go with the srs nukes though

tough roost
#

Baron might be good, though Covenant gives like 150% SRS damage

#

Which'd scale the Instability better than Baron, most likely

fair prairie
#

am I the only one amused by all the caster uniques in the melee league? 😛

quartz dome
#

and then you can put some shit on zombies to reduce fire res and some defensive stuff like maim

tough roost
#

assuming taht they die fast enough that you don't start replacing SRS due to the 5 SRS cap from Mark

rapid solar
#

There will most likely be caster historic jewels too

quiet geyser
#

So it would take like 6 sec untill they die?

#

to like 8

fair prairie
#

stupid caster stuff, get out of my melee league.

quiet geyser
#

You will gain some regen and chaos res for minions :/ so more then 5for sure

#

Srs is melee tho :^)

quartz dome
#

also lol can srs be supported by traps

#

cluster trap srs

fair prairie
#

i mean all the new uniques are caster crap. even the one we just got shown

#

Where is the new melee uniques!

quartz dome
#

actually srs on totems might actually be legit with that ammy???

rapid solar
#

Don’t think trap damage would scale anything there

#

Totems might be good

lucid stone
#

Earendels but for srs?

quartz dome
#

anyway links will probably be srs - m.damage - m.life - combustion - conc effect / inc effect - fire pen

quiet geyser
#

empower

quartz dome
#

empower possibly

quiet geyser
#

empower is better if you have level 21 and empower 4

quartz dome
#

Efficacy also plausible if you scale the ignites

quiet geyser
#
  • Any additional levels will make it crazy
#

Mayb +3 Minion 4 Link will better ^^

quartz dome
#

will need to PoB this

lucid stone
#

Does it work with spectrals spirits and glove enchant?

tough roost
#

Those aren't Raging Spirits, so probably not

fair prairie
#

i mean, what if you told them really bad your mom jokes they might turn into raging spirits

quiet geyser
#

Soooo Elder Bone with
prefix +3 Minion gems
prefix Minion Damage
prefix Minion Life
Suffix Socketed gems deal more elemental dmg

quartz dome
#

yo mama so fat, on the night of a thousand ribbons the flames ran from her

violet nymph
#

what's the way people are going to get the chaos resist for the srs?

quiet geyser
#

there is some chaos res on the tree for minions

#

but you probebly want a high negativ

#

For minion instability

quartz dome
#

chaos res + life on tree, otherwise it likely doesn't matter too much

#

minion speed them, support with zombo wall

#

watch fireworks and gas clouds lag your game

#

chaos res is ultimately just the fuse length

violet nymph
#

oh thats true

#

you want them to blow up

teal atlas
#

Has GGG said anything about how Incubation's "Monsters you kill" works? Aka, will this shit work with aurabots?

#

I'm hoping "Things you kill" is just a way of saying "Shit you got exp from" or else rip aurabots.

#

and party play as a whole

glad tusk
#

I dont quite understand the legion jewel thing- what are ‘seeds’?

normal kraken
#

it's just the number displayed on the jewel mod

#

seed as in rng seed

#

basically each number will map the jewel to a certain effect on the tree

#

the same seed in the same jewel type will always have the same effect on all trees

#

and jewels with different seeds can have the same effect, but there's no way to know the effect of a given seed other than socketing and observing

deep wave
#

How will ED/contagion interact with legions? It will be pretty OP if 1 cast of contagion spreads to everyone and 2nd cast + ED kills them

midnight lichen
#

contagion needs to kill to cast? So it wont spread at all imo

violet nymph
#

according to ggg the keystones don't stack effects

#

so if there are two identical vaal keystones available, getting both will do nothing

#

it'd be like having "ghost reaver" on two different pieces of gear

#

you wouldn't have 0% energy shield recharge because of it, you'd just have meaningless redundancy

#

so there's no context where having the jewel change two keystones will be specifically valuable strategically, unless it's possible for the jewel to create two different corrupted keystones (which, as of now, doesn't seem to be the case)

lucid stone
#

Does Bladestorm require a sword?

ember hill
#

a bit of nitpicking but you wouldn't have 0 ES recharge with 2 ghost reavers @violet nymph

past obsidian
#

@lucid stone I mean it has the word blade in it, would be weird if you cant use a sword with it

violet nymph
#

@past obsidian

#

maraketh: sekhema deshret?

past obsidian
#

@violet nymph Not possible, Deshret is in the mines

#

We save her

violet nymph
#

that's just her spirit though, i'm not entirely sure the enemies in the monoliths are considered spirits

#

for all we know they're just remnants of time, husks, if you will

past obsidian
#

Hmmmm, I still doubt it's gonna be deshret

runic trellis
#

whats everryone thinking for builds? cwc cyclone with what skills?

violet nymph
#

wtf, cadiro is chitus' uncle? lmao

#

i figured cadiro was a descendant

fair prairie
#

so bladestorm looks fun i might try that instead of my normal cyclone build

worldly scaffold
#

yeah

fair prairie
#

it looks like the visual changes too based on your stance that is unique and i like it. Any other skill change appearance without the use of a mtx?

worldly scaffold
#

bladestorm definitely looks fun, especially in the sand mode

fair prairie
#

i just really dig that the visual changes like that its kinda cool

worldly scaffold
#

well, wildstrike changes every hit

#

items like Augury, Arborix or Vulconus also have cool skin appearances change

elder quartz
#

so from my understanding the entire blood and sand mechanic only works with bladestorm ? or does it work with every skill but only bladestorm itself gets enhanced?

fair prairie
#

it works with everything but bloodstorm has special interactions with it

worldly scaffold
#

well, blood and sand gives you bonuses:
blood -> higher damage, lower aoe
sand -> higher aoe, lower damage

elder quartz
#

ok

#

sand cyclone it is

worldly scaffold
#

and bladestorm has a unique interaction with it where it changes stances

fair prairie
#

bladestorm lol bloodstorm funny typo

elder quartz
#

so if i have sand and stone on with cyclone i'll just have this big channeled aoe that dmgs and blinds

#

pog

worldly scaffold
#

yeah

fair prairie
#

i wonder if i could survive if i used carcass jack with that lol

worldly scaffold
#

combine that with Effigon to never miss against blinded enemies

fair prairie
#

just maximize that cyclone size

leaden wraith
#

that's actually a very important note

#

that effigon is now super worth

elder quartz
#

lmao effigon

worldly scaffold
#

I just want to play full-screen sweep

elder quartz
#

is that worth for a amulet slot tho

leaden wraith
#

now that blind is easy to obtain

worldly scaffold
#

definitely

fair prairie
#

well the worth of that will depend on how easy they made it to get to 100% accu

leaden wraith
#

considering people use lycosidae

#

id say its definitely worth an ammy slot,

snow cairn
#

the aoe isn't that big iirc

leaden wraith
#

its not going to be your end game choice of build

#

but its definitely a good budget option

elder quartz
#

is there any other unqiue amulets that be interesting for the cyclone thingy?

tame mason
#

uh zerker rage skill inc aoe

snow cairn
#

rage aoe confirmed?

tame mason
#

basically new skill that use rage that do things

snow cairn
#

oh snap

#

cyclone has stages too

tame mason
#

i think just 2... the wind up then max til stop spinning . rage buff make aoe bigger then shrink to normal

snow cairn
#

pretty sure it buffs damage and movespeed

#

looks like it drains rage and lasts until you no longer have rage

worldly scaffold
#

and increases character size

tame mason
#

yea that's the beserk gem that use rage

#

im really excited to play braindead zerker rage cyclone

violet nymph
#

oh yeah, that new amulet also has lavianga flavor text, further confirming lavianga's place as the karui general

worldly scaffold
#

well yeah, you fight lavianga in the Caldera map right?

#

at least an iteration of lavianga

violet nymph
#

isn't that just kaom lmao

worldly scaffold
#

kaom is at the end

#

before that, you fight 2 minibosses: queen (hyrri) and the other dude

#

I assumed its lavianga

violet nymph
#

i'm not seeing what you're talking about looking through the caldera maps of time past

#

just says "the infernal king" as the boss

worldly scaffold
#

it got reworked this league

tame mason
#

it is due to attack all in swing range

violet nymph
#

god damnit poe wiki gives me zero information

#

anyway, a map boss isn't a real thing

leaden wraith
#

attack range actually matters now

#

feelsgood

tame mason
#

try poedb

violet nymph
worldly scaffold
#

gonna hop in

#

and make some screens, sec

violet nymph
#

make sure to target the enemy you're speaking of

worldly scaffold
#

first of the minibosses, this one's obviously hyrri:

violet nymph
#

alright

teal atlas
#

For anyone asking, Bex confirmed party play with incubation is a-ok (kills are shared).

worldly scaffold
worldly scaffold
#

revered advisor is most definitely lavianga

violet nymph
#

they both appear as standard totem-looking things

#

i'm sure it's something ggg will retcon

#

they're map enemies

worldly scaffold
#

hyrri looked the same in the acts too

violet nymph
#

who else but lavianga, when referring to famous generals in the war of the karui against the eternal empire

#

we already know lioneye is the eternal empire general

past obsidian
worldly scaffold
#

hm?

past obsidian
violet nymph
#

vulpix0r and i have been looking through unique flavor text for famous people for a long while now

worldly scaffold
#

oh yeah

#

dont you have all t hat info combined in the lore pdf

past obsidian
#

@violet nymph Someone in my thread mentioned the uniques too

violet nymph
past obsidian
#

I'm super confident it's Asenath

#

For maraketh, there's no one else

worldly scaffold
#

wait

past obsidian
#

Lavianga, Lioneye, Asenath

worldly scaffold
#

it could also be sekhema deshret

past obsidian
#

I seriously doubt it as her spirit was in the mines level 2

worldly scaffold
#

oh yeah

violet nymph
#

i'm not sure about asenath

worldly scaffold
#

its probably asenath then

violet nymph
#

i mean, maybe

past obsidian
#

Ok I can confirm it Lucien

#

If you look at the trailer, she is wearing black armour

#

Deshret is supposed to be wearing red

worldly scaffold
violet nymph
worldly scaffold
#

darkscorn is most likely the bow used by asenath

violet nymph
#

oh shit the bow

#

okay now i'm partially convinced lol

past obsidian
violet nymph
#

i didn't realize there was another item lol

worldly scaffold
#

they dont lok exactly the same though

past obsidian
#

"The black sekham's trial had only begun"

worldly scaffold
#

so red and black sekhema

past obsidian
#

Yes deshret was the red

#

holy shit deepest lore

#

I have 0 leads on the templar side at all

violet nymph
#

oh shit

past obsidian
#

There's some suspicion that the vaal side is doryani

violet nymph
#

i may have found the bow she used at that specific time...

worldly scaffold
#

hm?

#

one of the maraketh bases?

violet nymph
#

djinn is maraketh

past obsidian
#

OH SHIT

worldly scaffold
#

doubt it though

past obsidian
#

It looks like the bow

violet nymph
#

it looks like the exact same model

past obsidian
#

Yeah

violet nymph
past obsidian
#

Even the curves at the end

violet nymph
worldly scaffold
#

and its also a maraketh bow

violet nymph
#

steelwood, actually

worldly scaffold
#

because the base is a maraketh weapon

#

yeah makes sense

past obsidian
#

If only we have some clues on the templar

#

I can't seem to find many Vaal names

#

There's no mention of any Vaal generals at all anywhere

violet nymph
#

vaal consists of a lot of god damn people

past obsidian
#

Other than some weirdo murderers

#

I mean I can't find any vaal generals

violet nymph
#

this is the only flavor text on a specific "vaal advisor" that i've found

#

problem:

past obsidian
#

Jaetai is only mentioned in like 1 item, I doubt he's important

violet nymph
#

the supporter could've created the flavor text, and i'm not sure ggg would base part of an entire league mechanic on that

worldly scaffold
#

General Marcovius,
Commander of the Templar Fleet
Operation Ocean Blades

#

from the Templar Report lore piece^

#

wait @past obsidian, asenath isnt the black sekhema

#

'Asenath, the Golden Sekhema:'

past obsidian
#

@worldly scaffold Where did you find the marcovius one

worldly scaffold
#

just search 'marcovius'

past obsidian
#

@worldly scaffold Could the golden part just mean her helmet? She seems to be dark skinned

worldly scaffold
#

maybe she became the black sekhema after the whole fight

past obsidian
#

@worldly scaffold Ok I ran through the documents, Marcovius seems to be the closest one

#

I don't think there's any other interesting templars

#

I mean there is Maxarius but I don't remember any uniques with his name

worldly scaffold
#

maxarius is the first high templar

low kindle
#

I'm trying to think up a good application for the new keystone

#

Can't

#

Also, do you need to not take any damage or energy shield damage for recharge to start?

midnight phoenix
#

Yep

#

Its any dmg at all

#

U can test this on live, chaos dmg shuts down recharge even when it goes through es

leaden wraith
#

i mean

low kindle
#

What if you use EB?

leaden wraith
#

its not bad if you're playing life based caster etc i tink

#

i say caster cause you're definitely always gonna get hit as melee

low kindle
#

Do you always run with recharge

#

Anyway, you sacrifice 10% leech and some regen for 20% recharge, which won't always be up

marsh wagon
#

Won't occy ascendancy let her regn hp thru dmg with that eternal youth?

low kindle
#

it still needs to start

marsh wagon
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Back off 2s, jump back in n meler

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Or let ur freeze proc

low kindle
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Yeah but that's waste of time, and as a life build - waste of ascendancy points

worldly scaffold
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why though

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you could use that ES from occu

marsh wagon
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We can now see life occys

worldly scaffold
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for EB

low kindle
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And how are you gonna recharge your EB

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If recharge applies to life instead

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You need leech or ES regen, and if you run out you're fucked

leaden wraith
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essentially yes

low kindle
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Zealot's oath maybe since life regen is borked anyway templarLul

worldly scaffold
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well, you get that keystone by replacing zealot's oath right?

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es leech is widely available

low kindle
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That's not zealot oath

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And I think all keystones will be the same anyway

worldly scaffold
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well

leaden wraith
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who knows

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might be different, might be same

worldly scaffold
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lots of people theorize its zealot's oath because of the flavour text

low kindle
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On that screen both mom and EE are same passives

leaden wraith
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might be placeholder

low kindle
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What

worldly scaffold
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its likely not mom anymore since there are no mana nodes behind it

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probably changed places

low kindle
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Look down at EE, it has the same icon

leaden wraith
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yeah

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it might be that they didnt want to make hundreds of different icons

low kindle
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Passive tree has hundreds of different icons

leaden wraith
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yeah but this isnt your usual passive tree

worldly scaffold
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or every keystone changes into the one exclusive so the jewel

leaden wraith
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after all, eg. headhunter's rare mods that appear on your buff bar also has same icons regardless of what mods it is

low kindle
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Btw new nodes above mom are mana/ES nodes

leaden wraith
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im not saying that it wont be the same

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but until we get confirmation i suppose, anything can happen

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oh

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i guess you could use this with vaal pact to have some form of life recovery without the need of flask

past obsidian
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I would be super disappointed if the Vaal general is Doryani

leaden wraith
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jewel can touch conduit

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make conduit gives charges on hit tyvm

eager charm
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I’m more curious as to how the corrupted keystone interact with non-corrupted ie granted through items

leaden wraith
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probably no interaction

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as in you can have both

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since keystone effects granted through items are well, through items

glad tusk
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Do you need blood and sand to use flesh and stone?

tame mason
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no. the former is for stance switching ability and 2nd is for aura based on the stance. without the first, it default to blood stance only

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blood aura i mean

glad tusk
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I see

tame mason
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Characters start in Blood Stance, but by using one of the new reservation skills, you'll be able to switch back and forth between Blood and Sand Stance instantly. A low level skill, Blood and Sand reserves 10% of your mana,

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wait

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``` wow miss the last sentence
glad tusk
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Cool, i got it now, thank you

tame mason
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look like 2 second cooldown

violet nymph
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imagine if they did this for the aspect skills that switch

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making them stances instead of consecutive buffs

leaden wraith
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that'd be broken tbh

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permanent cat's stealth

past obsidian
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Man doryani seems to be the only Vaal choice

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No other vaal characters makes sense to be the general

grizzled moth
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Is the new poison stuff happening this season too? If so, then would it be useful to shove on a firestorm during a cast while channeling cyclone? Might not be top damage in the world but would still do something useful whilst you are piecing together the rest of your build right?

leaden wraith
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yeah there's oging to be bleed and poison changes this patch

grizzled moth
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I understand it will take up 4 linked gem slots

midnight phoenix
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The tldr is probably not

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If u wanna hit things with cyclone

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Hit things with cyclone that has proper supports

uncut warren
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Can I change sounds in the game?

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I want to change the obelisks sound to this

midnight phoenix
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In what sense

uncut warren
midnight phoenix
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Ingame sound no

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Loot filter yes

uncut warren
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Alright but there must be a way

native sonnet
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sure there are ways to do it, but it'll be against TOS

midnight phoenix
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Ingame sound no

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Its not complicated sir

wild arch
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Welp, I'm just gonna go stone reserve with effigon

leaden wraith
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yeah

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its very nice budget setup

eternal turtle
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Umm does it seem that blade storm is just attAck version of blade vortex?

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Or that just me?

tacit swift
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i was thinking more like attack version of vortex because it stays on the place you cast it instead of following around you

eternal turtle
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It can follow slightly in sand stance

paper surge
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Did anyone notice anything strange during the Raider gameplay? I'm really hoping Raider gets some buffs/additions, as it's lacking in its ascendancy just like Zerker.

patent canyon
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raider is in a lot better position than zerker right now 👀

paper surge
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Not by a long way, and after this patch, Raider will almost certainly become the most boring ascendancy.

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It just needs the same treatment Trickster got.

leaden wraith
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tbh i don even know how they'd change raider

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cause raider has its pros

wet plaza
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I'd not compare raider that works fine with what zerker is

leaden wraith
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it just feels "boring"

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since all the other ascendancies have pretty much gotten some form of power creep

wet plaza
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It's just missing the Raw power the rebalances brought to other ascendancies

past obsidian
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Man it would be so lame if the Vaal general is doryani

sly heath
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So kinda forgot about this, but looks like I (old name is Bugsybro) got a decent amount right (apart from being able to side with the factions and there only being 2, not 5).

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Anyway, will there even be any major bosses? it seems like the timeless conflict is just a massive war, so I guess there wont be a fight with its own area, and it'll just be a unique guy with a cool attack or two, similar to syndicate members? But there was a video of a karui bossfight in some sort of arena (girl coming out of a shark's mouth or something)

livid lake
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i think they said something about commanders and such

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my assumption is there will be something akin to councils fights, you fight their army and then their commanders turn up and you fight them

static token
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Seemed like doing the full 5 army fight was the big end. Maybe something special will happen in that one.

spare talon
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at least 5 end game bosses one per each legion, ZiggyD video

tame mason
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2% increased Area of Effect per 25 Rampage Kills
Gain a Frenzy Charge on every 50th Rampage Kill``` can get screen wide whirling action
wild arch
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Now add reverse knockback

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@eternal turtle bladestorm is sweep but better in every single way templarLul

low kindle
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I still don't get how switching stances happens

wild arch
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You equip the stance gem

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When you activate it you toggle between blood and sand

low kindle
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How can you activate it and switch with a single button

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You need at least 2

wild arch
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I'm just assuming it's alway on

low kindle
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It reserves mana so it can't be always on

wild arch
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Don't see why not

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If you don't need it just take it off

languid path
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it's the same skill

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you press it to switch between stance

wild arch
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It's only 10% anyway

low kindle
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how I disable it then

languid path
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take out the gem

wild arch
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Take it off shock

languid path
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gem swap

tame mason
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without the stance aura, it stay in blood stance

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10% mana reserve is cheap

low kindle
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So what

wild arch
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I bet gladiator will make it free same way champion makes banners free

tame mason
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try it out then give feedback. easy.

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blood is the dps stance anyway

low kindle
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Sand for free blind

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No need for shaper gloves or abyss jewels

lapis topaz
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Also much better than either of those in terms of reliability

minor jungle
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we'll have to see what is inside gladiator and berserker buffed tree, hopefully slayer gets some love too

fallow fox
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my mind keeps going to cyclone - cwc- discharge

minor jungle
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and go trickster to get free frenzy and power charges to discharge right

wet plaza
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Not reliable enough to go trickster for that tbh

austere anvil
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why is there a slowmode here?

royal gale
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It gets packed when announcements happen

minor jungle
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yeah you probably get frenzy and power charge once a second while you cast discharge multiple times..

rigid forge
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If Inner Conviction eats your frenzies and poops out power charges, isn't that a nerf for Voll's?

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You already have max power charges on any build using that, so it just makes it impossible to gain frenzies (without +minimum frenzies, which is useless for discharge)

silver kettle
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It also gives bonus spell damage per power charge, so have to see how much that is

livid lake
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gives you a damage bonus per power charge as wll apparently

rigid forge
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Oh neat, where is this information from?

silver kettle
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Ziggy's video, exact same place as the info about it converting frenzy to power charges

rigid forge
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Oh, don't know how I missed that then

wary minnow
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it feels like it's simultaneously a nerf for voll's wrt like coc discharge that would like to still get frenzies but a buff for the item for like actual casters

livid lake
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people literally never used frenzies

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outside of maybe the overcharge node or the chayula jewel

wary minnow
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really? I remember on the last coc discharger I played (which admittedly was like 3 leagues ago maybe) generating some frenzies but maybe it was just blood rage or something

silver kettle
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There certainly isn't a consistent way for Discharge to generate frenzies vs single targets

livid lake
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yeah some on kill for sure, blood rage, overcharge or jewel, but they are fairly worthless in the grand scheme of overall deamage.

wary minnow
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ah I see

livid lake
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the only way i remember was using the tul wand and some interaction i forgot about where you generate 1 pc constatnaly and have 2 of the -1 pc jewels

silver kettle
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Oh lol that build

livid lake
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i feel like it was something to do with heartbound loop

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but i am genuinely not sure

mental apex
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With the new amulet to kill srs, you could also get the weapon that kills your skeletons, and have a Cwdt setup to constantly summon them both, and use minion instability as your main source of damage

eager charm
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And how would you sustain hp

mental apex
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We don't talk about that side of things 😂

That part completely slipped my mind.
Not sure. I just spoke the thoughts that entered my head.

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Assuming you have regen, a decent amount, maybe like 10%

Cyclone linked to life kn hit and life leech?

If need be you could also use the baron, get zombies to leech for you, but that's quite inefficient for oathing and gearing getting all that str, so that's a no.

minor jungle
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cyclone CWC raging spirits

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flawless plan

native osprey
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phys to lightning cyclone to proc ee for your srs HmmCoffee

paper surge
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Btw I thought about how you could turn the new Blood/Stance aura on/off - how about just holding the keybind for a decent duration?

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Seems a bit more elegant than having to just flat out remove the gem.

lucid stone
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What if you want to change it quickly

paper surge
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Why would you hold it down to change it quickly?

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It has a cooldown.

lucid stone
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Running out of sockets

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Does this affect all melee skills?

wild arch
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The aoe changes will apply to everything

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Extra interactions will be limited to less skills

mental apex
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If melee splash has even 10% More melee damage, would that be too much or should it stay at no extra damage?

Asking cause pierce has a more damage multiplier, so maybe melee splash should too?

I mean it might get a buff, idk, we haven't seen it yet, but. Just wanted others thoughts.

native osprey
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you think they'll keep splash in the game?

plucky ivy
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are there any news about flicker strike yet

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flickering on the monolith mobs will be fun, maybe

native osprey
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there is not

mental apex
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Are you hinting at a melee splash total rework?

native osprey
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am I? I dunno. if melee attacks automatically cleave do you really need a gem to do it?

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you know I'm not a ggg employee right, I can't hint at anything you don't know monkaS

mental apex
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They have minor cleave, not enough for a single target skill like heavy strike to AoE clear.

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Well, it can, but it would take years to clear a dense pack of mobs

proven wadi
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Nearby enemies are blinded aura? Ignomon maybe?

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Or whatever that amulet is

livid lake
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ignomon is fire pen against blinded enemies

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its the wand

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eclipse solaris i think?

thick knot
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So the cleave is based on the range of the weapon, so if a two hander focuses on raising range+ the new name targeting improvement they might be able to chew through whites at a pretty ok rate.

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Particularly because Ancestral call will also cleave.

proven wadi
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No I mean the nearby enemies are blinded part of the new flesh and Stone aura thing

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And ignmon or it's upgrade makes you always hit against blinded enemies

winter bay
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anyone have any info on the new glorious vanity unique jewel?

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is it gonna be scam hyperdrive or not as bad?

native osprey
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info? it exists, that's all we know

olive salmon
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With the stances, how are we going to turn them on and off? If pressing the skill button toggles the stance, are we going to have a separate bind on our hotbar for turning them on and off?

livid lake
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at a guess it'll be 1 buff, then another button which toggles between each stance.

olive salmon
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Ah, so more space on the hotbar will be needed.

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Most likely

native storm
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It's a reserve skill with a toggle

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10% for B&S

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25% F&S

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RIP my mama pool

violet nymph
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Ill be reserving 60% with those two and herald of ash

eternal turtle
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With the new auras I almost hope there’s more mana reservation reduction

violet nymph
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So i want to mention to everyone something that was confirmed about the jewels. They can be modified with divines

native osprey
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oh boy

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I can't wait to spam divines just to try to come up with a good seed

violet nymph
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Bettee than having to trade for it wouldnt ya say? You can at least bulk buy

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I mean still can divine them in ssf just farm tabula for them

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:^)

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At least unlike sythesized items you have a chance

steep pilot
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What does a good seed mean

static token
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Nobody even knows at this point.

worldly sapphire
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Can u apply incubation to the same item multiple times, silmilar how enchants work. so you can overwrite them

low kindle
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I just realized something

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Eternal youth doesn't reduce regen if you take zo

violet nymph
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@low kindle zo?

rapid solar
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Yea, it should void the negative effect on life reg of EY

low kindle
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Real question is, is the uptime permanent if you have EB

rapid solar
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Why would it be?

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It basically means, whenever you lose life the recharge is stopped. If you don't take damage to life for a certain amount of time it will start

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EB doesn't interact with it at all, or does it?

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Even the Occultist node Wicked Ward will probably not work for the Life Recharge of Eternal Youth

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We've had a similar issue of wording before and they made it clear that it only affects that one thing and nothing that relates to it in some way

steep plover
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theres quite a high chance of getting corrupted 6l's from uber lab chests right? Might be an easy way to farm divines if jewel seeds become a thing

copper kernel
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very far from high chance tbh

low kindle
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Wait what do jewels have to do

last river
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tbh I don't get why you'd use the node in general, it just seems worse than being hybrid

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Because form how I understand it, you'll be recovering the life at the same rate you'd be recovering ES

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Which means you need a high ES pool for it to be good

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And if you have a high ES pool why not just be hybrid

livid lake
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the base recharge is 20%

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so you're looking at 0 to 100% in 5 seconds with no modifiers

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pair that with say a blightwell

wild arch
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Can't wait to use that on a max block and dodge gladiator

livid lake
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pretty sure you can craft recharge on rings too

proven wadi
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eternal youth = life recharge ?

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weird

frigid raptor
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@steep plover for farming corrupted 6l vaults of atziri may be the best way

snow cairn
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vaaling armorer boxes