????? combine the new gloves that make zombies count as corpses, combine with cyclone cwc volatile dead or detonate dead. mobile explosion factory?
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tame ridge
copper kernel
youll need those shitty poison gloves
violet nymph
i wish they made a vaal ball lightning that was like shavronne's massive ball lightning
plush zealot
poison support tho
proper hatch
Do we know if minions are getting the same "melee splash" treatment as attacks or nothing yet? Haven't heard anything on the Baeclast video but I could've missed it.
meager meadow
i think all melee should do a sweep target now
violet nymph
wait what, baeclast? did they literally do a baeclast the moment they released the legion page lol
meager meadow
so probably, yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F2ofmsTgqQ&feature=youtu.be 5 min vid of highlights
proper hatch
That would be a huge QoL for minions..
lucid stone
What happens to melee splash support gem?
devout osprey
removed i guess if minions get free splash too
lucid stone
Maybe it's something like "skills do %more damage to the target not namelocked"
tame ridge
melee splash probably will increase splash radius, instead of just adding splash
devout osprey
^
copper kernel
you still need it
meager meadow
i don't think melee works by namelock anymore
lucid stone
Not if you reverse knockback. :D
meager meadow
yeah but the actual skill hitbox doesn't work that way iirc
lucid stone
Are sandstorms hits or dot?
languid path
namelock was about "locking" onto the target and that sometimes lead to awkward situation
lucid stone
And can you use them with a mace?
languid path
has nothing to do with hitbox
meager meadow
was talking about the "skills do %more damage to the target not namelocked" comment
languid path
yeah and that still has nothing to do with hitbox
it's just whatever is not the main target you clicked on
meager meadow
attacks now is the one target + area splash from gem
attacks with league is a area sweep thing, which m'pretty sure means that there won't be a main target damage wise
languid path
no lol, there will still be a target, being whatever you clicked on, they just have new tech that accurately produce weapon range and anything within that range is also hit, it's not even an area thing
just watch baeclast jonathan explain it with gameplay
meager meadow
youtu.be/7F2ofmsTgqQ?t=168 got the exact time for it
is a sweep thing
languid path
that's the range of the hit area, there's still a main target that you click on
and that target will be the subject of melee splash support calculation
ofc whatever is in the "implicit" range of this new tech is also receiving full dmg
normal kraken
there still has to be some kind of differentiation between targeted mob and splashed ones
at the very least for the purpose of on hit effects like molten strike
languid path
the new implicit range is tiny and cannot be scaled except by weapon range, that's where melee splash function
minor jungle
I mean it's probably likely that you only make projectiles on one hit.
no matter if it is main or splash
normal kraken
that doesn't sound right to me, but could be
minor jungle
isn't it how it functions right now too?
putting melee splash on molten still makes same amount
meager meadow
i mean the implict range was normal attack, no skill
normal kraken
it doesn't sound right because now when you swing with an attack you hit enemies sequentially according to the animation hitbox
so you could hit a splashed enemy before the targeted one
if the on hit effect triggers on the first enemy hit it would in that case trigger on the splashed enemy, which would feel awful for some skills
meager meadow
inner conviction sounds pretty bad
languid path
each skill will have a tag for whether or not it procs on all enemy hit or only the main target
not gem tag
just a background tag
normal kraken
it seems so
from baeclast it seems they wanted to balance all attacks around having a bit of flat damage
meager meadow
o
fair prairie
Melee League, all caster uniques 😛
limpid jacinth
FEELSBAD no they didnt add flat
languid path
imagine adding flat dmg on a 45% effectiveness skill
meager meadow
wonder how much that'll change the dps on weapons
because added damage scales off speed and not damage
midnight phoenix
I think the idea is to do this instead of changing wep dps
limpid jacinth
im still gonna try dual siege axes with 400pdps and get a twohander 6l crafted for endgame
midnight phoenix
So that the gap between babbys first weapon and 6t1 is smaller
meager meadow
so two weapons with same dps and same skill can do different actual dps for most skills that don't already have added damage
limpid jacinth
just that the effect is bigger now of range
normal kraken
they are adding flat damage but also reducing base damage
gritty ember
@languid path 45% eff but 200% more attack speed, isnt that 135% real effectiveness?
humble forum
Do you guys believe shattering steel and lancing steel are going to receive a buff?
void juniper
I got a question about the legion jewels, do the new jewels have a seed number?
gritty ember
presumably, even if its just a mechanics change
supposedly they have some sort of seed number visible yea
void juniper
thats insane
gritty ember
yeah but its likely going to be a pain in the butt to figure out what the seed does
humble forum
I do believe Legion is a necessary upgrade, but I hope it's not all that is coming, I hope 4.0 works even more in what they're doing with 3.7
void juniper
that is true
gritty ember
other than knowing that identical seeds do the same thing in the same area of the tree
void juniper
that's why it's insane xD
gritty ember
yeah my understanding is that 4.0 is a massive expansion
humble forum
They already improved combat mechanics, that's likely because of competition with future aRPGs, but so far it might not be enough
dull epoch
i'll play the expansion before i make any judgements
definitely a good step in the right direction already
humble forum
Yes for sure
dull epoch
k u d u k u f i g h t
gritty ember
the other Major number expansions were: 2.0 the awakening (act 4, jewels and lockstep), 3.0 the fall of oriath (acts 5-10, pantheon)
ascendancies were a minor release: 2.2
so i would expect some notable new content
wary isle
so I guess Cyclone cast when channeling Bladefall could be sweet
dull epoch
yea theres some mad aoe potential here
when i saw cyclones aoe in the video i went wow
gritty ember
1.0 had the idea of temp leagues, scion, new story areas, new skills
spec throw is an attack not a spell
but why limit yourself to phys spells?
its going to be meh to scale cyclone damage and spell damage anyway generally
any spell that would be improved by more than a gem socket or two worth of supports is going to be pretty entertaining on it
due to being able to move and use the spell at the same time
prisma musk
unless they lower dmg on ice nova, coc ice nova/frostbolt will be even smoother next patch
it's amazing dmg, just clunky to boss with because of cyclone
humble forum
wait
gritty ember
i think its also going to make mjolner a bit more competitive with cospries
because without crits you didnt have a great way to proc more spells on your main skill
humble forum
Oh, so cylcone now is a physical damage spell?
gritty ember
no
dull epoch
nu
gritty ember
its channeling
humble forum
OOohhh... Cast means spell, ok
Are you all on the 10 seconds timer or am I just a spammer?
prisma musk
so you can now do cast while channeling with it instead of just cast on crit
gritty ember
I am just immune, other people have to type slower
you might also want to use shift+return to put more than one line in a single message
native sonnet
u can also edit ur msg instead of entering a new msg/line
prisma musk
the real question is what are they doing to winter orb to make us not want to play it
oak knoll
remove it from the game hopefully
native sonnet
only deal cold dmg (fits the theme but kinda limiting...), or deals no chaos dmg (doesnt really fit the theme, just a bandaid fix)
wild arch
I'm gonna assume winter orb will feel bad if it tags the entire army
midnight phoenix
Why is that bad
prisma musk
chaos dmg isn't the problem with winter orb
native sonnet
quite the opposite
prisma musk
it's really the mechanics of the skill
midnight phoenix
Nonchaos as chaos is a whole separate issue
languid path
I would worry that WO would tag only one enemy per screen
native sonnet
u want to tag more mobs, and worb aiming mechanic might be stuck aiming the same 1
^
gritty ember
yeah added applying multiple times is its own issue
worb is still a skill that trivially hits multiple times, auto targets, has explosions so overlaps aka shotguns, does really great damage etc
oh and you can move while it deals damage
lethal dew
they nerfed vaal spark because it was too op, you could walk and deal a lot of damage while doing it. and then a few leagues later they added winter orb, which you can walk and deal damage at time
wild arch
But have you considered the potential of mobs having dangerous mods
ember lodge
I'm still super curious about what they've done to flicker
languid path
lol as if poe players worry about dangerous mobs
all we care about is loot
it doesn't matter if we die midway, it's the promise of potential loot
gritty ember
its a situation where they made the skill itself have a billion features rather than making new supports that give them :C
hopefully there are some cool new mechanics changing supports for melee
I think more jewels that modify the tree is great however
being able to modify the tree is a powerful tool that they can use to add build depth
wild arch
Here's a little theory: you know that new keystone on voll's? What if you can get it on the tree if you socket a legion jewel next to the correct keystone?
gritty ember
yeah thats a good prediction
normal kraken
I wonder if keystones will also be randomly generated
languid path
corrupt vp keystone
normal kraken
or if there will be a predefined set
languid path
get slayer leech
native sonnet
predefine, the random is on the jewel seed
languid path
ez money
ember lodge
I can see a lot of people re-rolling once they get a chance, being able to change the passive tree massively opens up build diversity.
Just being able to get life on the right side alone is a game changer.
native sonnet
no doubt there will be builds around some of those
languid path
also inb4 some nerd is gonna figure out a crazy combo in the scion start
native sonnet
i can see keystones like vaal skills consume less souls or less CD etc etc
languid path
instinct 2.0
normal kraken
I mean if the number of possible keystone modifications will be the same as the number of possible non-keystone passives modifications
as in, they will roll some mods or ranges or if there will be a set of hand made keystone modifications
fallen lance
how does aukuna's will your zombies count as corpses work
does that mean you can infinitely VD them? because that sounds pretty broken
normal kraken
they will probably be consumed as common corpses
fallen lance
then that stat would be pretty pointless no?
cant seem to think of a way for it to work that would make it not pointless and not broken
placid grotto
those jewels are going to be crazy expensive. Probably pass
prime fox
Scale your zombie health for big DD explosions i assume
native sonnet
yeah u can scale much more zombie life than corpse
wild arch
HB loop
tiny flint
How do the blood sand things work? Can you switch between the 2 without re reserving mana🤔
I saw Ziggy say that sand was aoe focused
wild arch
The announcement page said blood for bleeding and sand for blinding. Glad to see bleed getting some love
languid path
you have a buff that reserves mana, called stance
wild arch
I was already considering going gladiator but this pretty much confirmed it
languid path
you can press the hotkey of this skill to switch between blood stance and sand stance
some of the new skills will behave differently
depending on what stance is currently on
tiny flint
Chain strike + vaal earthquakes
placid grotto
depends if it auto aims
wild arch
One thing people don't seem to have mentioned yet: bloodlust
Damn... I wanna play both gladiator and 2-handers so badly 😩
wild arch
Bruh
Make your movement skill bleed
And swan dive into them
I wonder if they remember that banners and impale were things that they introduced 🤔
tight sun
pliant prairie
maybe I'm just brain dead, but wtf do incubation items actually do?
earnest juniper
omg all movement skills start instantly!?
Does this mean way easier to avoid getting interrupt locked in the middle of a pack?
placid grotto
I think a better description is a kill counter. After so many, you get something.
lucid stone
DD on zombies wont trigger MI as well, right?
jovial stirrup
@lucid stone unlikely, as they won’t ever be low life
lucid stone
I doubt they have 1 million variants. Probably gonna be same level as watchers eye.
hollow ermine
I can only imagine how PoB is gonna handle this...
twilit vapor
Might not want to show how it's done before it's discovered though
pliant prairie
so like if you throw a div incubator on a weapon and fulfill it do you get the div card, or a div card effect on the weapon
native sonnet
div card
languid path
poe 2025
you should use maraketh jewel #2749 in your jewel next to vp to get 200% more life
vaal jewel #5346 would give more dmg but it's not worth it
wet plaza
gritty ember
tbh i am worried its going to be like the harbinger language
native sonnet
in what sense?
copper kernel
ggg usually learn somewhat from their mistakes
gritty ember
in that they are like wow look how cool this is gives zero info on what it actually means
native sonnet
they added the hold alt for advance/detail text feature since, so hopefully there'll be enough information in those if not already on the items
gritty ember
yeah but thats a lot different from an rng seed
if its an actual rng seed, then the number is only useful to know if two items with the same number have the same behavior
if we dont know what rng algo they are using and what numbers it uses, in what order, and for what, then its otherwise useless
native sonnet
which we dont really need to know all that right?
gritty ember
well then whats the point of the number?
i think the only point is to make it so poedb is useless
gritty ember
because if we dont have a way of listing out the behaviors via datamining, we ahve to actually try them
the number just replaces the string version of the mod
native sonnet
aye
gritty ember
jewel 2034 has the following list of behaviors is what it will turn in to imo
we cant use the number ot figure anything out
we just know that x behaviors are from y jewel
native sonnet
given the vast number of passives, i dont imagine there can be too many variant
some quick algo i can think of is abcd where each number brings certain effects to certain parts
native sonnet
so maybe to get the oldVP exmaple above, all u need is vaaljewel 1xxx where the xxx doesnt matter
or maybe its as simple as odd/even numbers so 13579 does the same thing
wet plaza
I hope finding usable ones isn't suepr rare. But after reading the "just trade it" I am kinda iffy about them.
native sonnet
we'll see a bunch of theory threads like syn on the first week lol
until some1 actually figure it out and post on reddit and price for jewel 1337 spike 10000 times
there is also the (tiny) hope that openarl will update pob with that, though kinda unlikely
reddit veteran feedback on league mechanics
smh
gritty ember
lol nice i like how he posted all that but didnt bother to actually watch any of the videos
native sonnet
yeah, like what kind of ppl that doesnt bother to read/watch the vid but care enough to make a post ~~
violet nymph
^
glad tusk
Is accuracy gone?
copper kernel
no
ocean pumice
from the looks of it, doesn't seem like it's a crafting league anymore, which is exactly what I want 😋
nova fern
To me it seems like it a crafting leuage... One where to craft your passive tree, lol that looks like it's gonna be so much fun
copper kernel
WO is not the sole thing keeping crafting alive lul
turbid quartz
I know lol
wet plaza
Worb is the only thing holding Poe back @copper kernel don't you know
copper kernel
WO is literally the hitler of skills
swift pagoda
patch notes in 2 weeks
burnt zephyr
ah ty
native elm
WInter Orb isn't so much a problem. It's the chaos conversion that makes it pound hard.
gritty ember
it has a lot more going for it than just that it happens to deal cold damage
not sure that they are going to focus on spell nerfs a ton, but i assume worb will get some nerf regardless
violet nymph
I expect a worb nerf, but most spells should be fine outside of that, while pushing melee up to the same level should be the focus. esp since they are going to be increasing the threat of mobs throughout the game as we get closer to 4.0
already got the first few acts done for that.
native elm
I want them to buff blade vortex. They over-nerfed it.
fierce torrent
they buffed it by having it in different colors now
left patio
now entering MAXIMUM OVERHYPE phase.
i was still usually playing melee builds (facebreaker is love, facebreaker is life), so this melee rework has me pretty fucking keen.
native sonnet
im not convinced to do melee build yet based on the info so far
earnest juniper
the new league mechanic will strongly favor targetable abilities as well, so the typical worb and storm brand won't be as effective
turbid quartz
all praise our new ms jugg overlords. :^)
inb4 all targetable 'melee' builds get buffed yet barrage is over here like 'WTF MAN?'
wanton bridge
lucid stone
3.8 = wands?
glad tusk
Isnt melee still weaker early league because it scales off gear rather than gem level
fiery cloak
Eh just build oni or nebuloch or sth
glad tusk
They’re going to be expensive as fuck early next league
fiery cloak
Imagine new Molten Shell with 2 nebuloch and 8 end charges or sth
also, im generally leveling slowly enough that prices have lowered once im at maps so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
limpid wigeon
What are the 5 legions? I know there's the maraketh, vaal, templar legion, and karui, but whats the 5th?
native sonnet
eternal(azmeri)
limpid wigeon
oooo
glad tusk
For the ‘break enemies to activate them’ gimmick, if i nuke the whole screen i get everything? Or is it only a certain amount and you actually have to choose
limpid jacinth
Melee scales also on gem level now
fiery cloak
Nah, its just that you can adjust the rippiness of your league experience that way @glad tusk . If you nuke the whole screen you take most risk most reward and lose the right to complain about rippy encounters.
jovial sleet
finally a "proper" league - a war , which is what you would prob think of upon seeing the word league
Synthesis honestly feels like its more of a post Act 10
wild arch
So did they rework sweep into that new bladestorm skill or what
restive willow
Church of Channelled Cyclone blesses you all.
static token
They mentioned melee skills being given a base amount of flat damage. So instead of 160% weapon damage it's 80% weapon damage and 100 flat phys for example (made up numbers). Which could be a MASSIVE buff to Facebreaker. So fingers crossed for Facebreaker Cyclone, Consecrated Path, Ice Crash, Infernal Blow, Smite, Tectonic Slam.
frail elm
The problem I have with facebreaker cyclone is the weapon range
static token
Not sure how much of an improvement stacking Master of the Arena, elder gloves, Warlord's Reach, and Daresso's Salute would be. But I'd probably be more interested in Conc path and Tectonic.
And if +gem levels are worth it for melee gems now, you might actually go Bronn's Lithe and Empower. Giving you some more +range.
frail elm
yeah depends on the scaling
static token
Double corrupted Bronn's with +1 gems +2 aoe gems.
limpid wigeon
support gems specific to weapon types and incentives for big slow hits
im hype as fuck
glacial hammer is turning into a 3 hit combo, im so excited
definitely leaguestarting glacial hammer
static token
I may start spells, bask in the glory of dirt cheap spell gear, while Lion's Roar is 4 exalts.
turbid quartz
Not sure how I feel about it due to how this current league is and how powerful casters in general are. :/
Why play a melee build with generally a high c/ex requirement to get going when you can just play Ed/Cont trickster and slam your face into stuff while constantly running and killing everything
While spending low C/EX to slap end-game across the face.
frail elm
I think for a lot of people they've been excited for melee rework and will want to try it out
Its not all about being effecient
static token
Going counter to the fotm can save you a fortune. I picked up Disfavor this league for 15c, Starforge for 10c, voidforge for 5c. That will not be the case in Legion.
frail elm
Currency is so relative too
Im super happy when I finally get the expensive item
cuz I worked hard to get it
turbid quartz
I understand that, but also with the dodging mechanic they're putting in. I don't also see a use for it, because with the current league there really isn't any need to dodge anything when you can slam your face into it and kill it before it kills you usually.
Also, about that expensive item/currency thing you mentioned. I meant it as 'start up' costs.
frail elm
Mainly made for early game and boss fights
turbid quartz
because in general a start up cost for a melee build is pretty high compared to a caster.
I mean don't get me wrong, I am excited for the changes, but I feel they need to do more, lots more. Such as nerfing the survivability of casters.
frail elm
Well balance is not out yet
but nerfing is typically not the way to go in this kind of game
They just have to buff melee to be at the same level
turbid quartz
that's also not good. Because a game isn't fun when everyone is 'op'
static token
I also want to aim to minmax the league mechanic a bit. At least plan to at first and see if it's worth it. So not sure how much damage is going to be required to break the frozen guys out of time. I imagine a Tornado shot just standing still and spamming will do wonders.
frail elm
Once everyone is OP you buff monsters or difficulty
quasi tiger
weird to see you here @frail elm remember watching a lot of your BotW speedruns when it came out
frail elm
😮
quasi tiger
👋
frail elm
Haha hey, yeah I've been into PoE quite a bit since Betrayal
quasi tiger
legion is looking great. Probably farming harbour bridge in the beginning
quiet geyser
Did hey anounced anything to change the masters?
Otherwise the leauge will be dead after 2 weeks again ./
static token
Masters were in no way the problem with Synthesis.
frail elm
Yeah I think current masters are fine
Unlocking crafting recipe might need some work but otherwise, it's A ok to me
static token
It needs to work certainly, but I had 0 people in my clan stop playing because of that.
quasi tiger
people complain about not having control on what side content to do and when. Chris has talked about it and if I remember, they are looking into changing stuff but nothing confirmed yet
static token
That's mainly an issue when the league mechanic is so boring most people don't want to do it. Which was the case with Synth. If you are focused on Legion it becomes more of a minor annoyance than a real problem.
quiet geyser
Uff, my problem was that i never got nico or jun
turbid quartz
Also, from what it looks like, Legion mechanics are imbedded into maps compared to synth.
Where, in synth. you not only got to go to 'ANOTHER' separated zone like nico.
and having to use maps to fuel doing that.
frail elm
Yeah I'm a big fan of splinters. You can just stack them up and do it whenever you want
turbid quartz
this legion mechanic looks more like jun based encounters where it's all within the map you go to and collecting splinters to do the special zones.
which is always helpful, it keeps you in maps.
instead of going "here's maps, here's nico and here's synth"
quasi tiger
yeah, there's no cap on splinters or a need to take a break from mapping or anything
turbid quartz
enjoy having to juggle 3 separate things.
I mean i tolerated it because the synth items were so freaking good.
static token
Further increasing or removing the sulphite cap and making it account wide would go a long way though.
quasi tiger
filling those betrayal bars is kind of a pain right now
quasi tiger
that's already account wide I think?
frail elm
They said something about making account wide progress for delve and betrayal recently
quasi tiger
betrayal is not account wide, that I agree needs a change
frail elm
I don't think it's coming in 3.7 but it's definitely on their mind
static token
Azurite is account wide, sulphite no.
turbid quartz
^---
quiet geyser
xDDD even if they make betrayl accoutnw ide, it still will take like 100 play hours to get one master mind
quasi tiger
inb4 they just nuke all these mechanics in 4.0 and they are gone forever
turbid quartz
that's okay steph. as long as it's account wide it's perfect.
inb4 they nuke all the mechanics and make the items legacy legacy legacy. Kappa
frail elm
They buffed Mastermind Intel now. You only need 3-4 Safehouses to get one.
quasi tiger
still doesn't really motivate me to do mastermind, hate that fight
turbid quartz
Synth items are going to make standard interesting. ;^)
frail elm
Yeah I don't do it either. Having the whole syndicate reset is more pain than it's worth
quiet geyser
And it still resets your board, so all your work gone after fight
Delve just sucks until you are depth 300 untill then its just pain
static token
Ya, Mastermind at the beginning was bad. Cinderswallow being like 4ex. Then after the fix it dropped to like 20 for a while.
quiet geyser
Getting to 300? well that takes forever
quasi tiger
what? delve is great right now
quiet geyser
Getting crafts from jun ? also realy anoying
frail elm
Early delve progress should be a bit faster but other than that I think delve is really good too
quiet geyser
Yea i play poe because i dont like forced waiting periods
that what delve encounters are for me
90% of delveencounters are 1 Min spawining enemys
static token
The only Delve answers devs are giving is buy sulphite scarabs. Which is not the greatest answer.
quasi tiger
yeah, getting scarabs is real fast and easy atm...
static token
They could do Legacy style tokens for it, or a scarab.
quasi tiger
incubate scarabs
static token
They are adding in a 5th map device box.
quiet geyser
Just add masters to zana and everybody is happy
quasi tiger
^
frail elm
I'm really wondering how the incubate mechanic works, seems interesting
static token
That's probably the easiest. Not sure it's worth it if it's at like 5c. But it's an option.
turbid quartz
incubate mechanic seems like, you put it on an item and do the condition and BAM you get a chaos when it finished
static token
Incubate looks to be all kill x mobs, get item. It's really just a delayed gratification to just having the item drop directly.
quasi tiger
there's some eggs that let you incubate hard to get items, like harbinger items
if the unique item one can give you HH, that one is cool too
fair prairie
Harbinger item, you have received a alteration shard,, congratz.
static token
They could also be a bit loot boxish. You know it's a wurm's molt. But it could be a boat. So you sell it for 20c.
quasi tiger
yeah, in a way eggs are like stacks of div cards. "random unique" deck etc
fair prairie
if I incubated a alteration shard I would put my mad face on
turbid quartz
lul
glad tusk
Wonder if you can weaponswap incubate
quasi tiger
probably works on a second weapon set like gem xp
static token
I'm sure the better eggs will end up being like the ancient reliquary keys. They are almost all worthless. But sell for a stupid amount. Possible good option for making money.
quasi tiger
yep
fair prairie
i'm just glad they went with a breach redoux. I was worried when they said it would be simple
quasi tiger
yeah, seems like it's gonna be fun
static token
I am slightly worried about how well some builds will interact with breaking the mobs out of time. Like ED/Contagion. It will clean up when they are already broken out. Not sure how well it will do in getting to that stage.
quasi tiger
I wonder who that one lady in the screenshots was, with the blue glowing tattoos
karui boss maybe
although she looked like a spellcaster, karui did not respect spellcasters
fair prairie
i'm more worried that spells will do those too well and leave melee in the dust in whats suppose to be a melee league, I will be unhappy if the top 3 ascendancies in this meta are not melee.
quasi tiger
frostbolt + ice nova will clear this content extremely well
static token
I'm sure Winter orb will still clean up. Brands not sure, depends if they move on to the next mob once the target has been broken out. Or if it stays attached but the target is immune until the timer runs out.
Bow skills will be great.
fair prairie
yeah hopefully they did some skill testing in the mechanics this time, we really don't need a another synthesis flicker strike situation.
quasi tiger
what happened with flicker strike in synth?
fair prairie
it made you go into the goop and knocked you out of the memories
quasi tiger
oh right
turbid quartz
I've been saying this for a while, but no one believes me lol.
static token
Flicker may still do poorly again. We'll see. If breaking them out counts as a "death" or not.
quasi tiger
I don't see that happening, I think flicker will nicely jump through all the enemies frozen in time
turbid quartz
They really need to super power buff melee abilities/ascendencies
otherwise casters will blow them out of the water in general due to the speed and cheap cost they offer*
patent canyon
i think it wont jump nicely at all and get stuck on few 1hp left dudes
fair prairie
yeah what I meant is, a situation like it where a skill becomes completely useless in the league mechanic. Was thinking more along the lines of what was said earlier like brands not switching targets once broken open.
static token
Or just specific "melee" Molten strike, cyclone, spectral throw.
limpid wigeon
ive been listening to baeclast and jon mentioned steelskin as a new movement skills, have we seen it yet?
patent canyon
its not movement and yes it was shown
limpid wigeon
oh what is it
quasi tiger
yeah, actually any autotarget skill might get stuck on those enemies
patent canyon
up to 75% damage reduction with cd
limpid wigeon
oh lawd that seems insane
quasi tiger
winter orb will might be bad for the monoliths, not sure how good the targeting is on that
static token
Steel skin is probably Immortal call 1.1
patent canyon
pretty much but without full immunity
frail elm
I think once the enemy are attackable the ones you didn't break out dissapear
quasi tiger
they do for sure
frail elm
So stuff like winter orb won't be affected
limpid wigeon
steel skin would be a 100% lock for cwdt if it weren't for the shared cooldown with dash
quasi tiger
I meant that winter orb might get stuck on a small pack of frozen enemies when you want to break more of them out
fair prairie
i wonder just how much easier they are going to make accuracy be to get, Not having to go RT would be amazing.
static token
Ya, if you only break out 5 when you wanted to break out the whole group. Feels bad
patent canyon
they said every "casual player" will be easily at the 100% cap
with only few items
quasi tiger
or being jugg
even if spells stay the meta, I'm gonna play some of the new melee stuff
I get bored playing the same builds I've already played
fair prairie
i feel like spells will always be meta, its just so much easier to clear with spells.
limpid wigeon
if thats the case why would RT even exist
quasi tiger
might get reworked
limpid wigeon
hmmm ok
fair prairie
RT i feel like would have a place for early game for when you are collecting the accuracy gear, then you just drop it once you got it
steep plover
with 100% acc without RT, theres likely to be no reason NOT to go crit?
patent canyon
in my eyes, yes
limpid wigeon
i guess if you're going maces you might want to go EO
since maces have hot garbage crit passives
fair prairie
unless the new support provides crit
limpid wigeon
i assume it'll probably be stun
fair prairie
probably yeah
limpid wigeon
im very interested to see the weapon specific gems
i wonder if we're going to see a lot of overlap and clutter
fair prairie
me too, when i heard about that being a thing......
🍆
steep plover
Anyone else think the hook shot skill looked a bit tedious?
its a rage-generator apparently
fair prairie
hook shot looks like it has potential but needs more work
static token
I want to see more on those Legion Jewels. Because a jewel that turns every node in a huge area into a life node is insane.
steep plover
but the cyclone guy was using it to get around, when it would honestly have been quicker to just keep cycloning
limpid wigeon
i dont think it will turn everything into a life node
maybe if you roll really lucky and get a seed that does that
i assume they're going to have a pool of corrupt results for minor passives, notables, and keystones, and then the seed randomly applies it to everything in the area
steep plover
yeah, they were 'corrupted'. Doesnt mean they were life. They just had red colour because of the type they belong to
limpid wigeon
we know life is an option tho because the frenzy charge turned to life
at least for notables
limpid wigeon
mmm will be interesting to see
fair prairie
i hope slayer got some love, i used to love slayer but it felt like it got whipped like a ugly step daughter and shoved in the basement
static token
The one they showed off certainly looked like it did. It corrupted them to the Life image. And the one they hovered over gave likfe regen.
fair prairie
idk people get 15-20k ES pretty easy, why not let us get that much life 😛
steep plover
@fair prairie yeah, that worries me. Gladiator + berserker changes are awesome, but lack of slayer changes is troublsome
fair prairie
Its a slayer life, they hate us
static token
I can live with Slayer getting back burnered for a couple leagues. They can't fix every problem every update.
limpid wigeon
if they're going to keep it mostly dead at least move culling back to the first point
so that you can grab stun/splash and not feel like a dumbass
fair prairie
yeah but atm you can be anything and still be a slayer just by picking up a few uniques, there is nothing special about the slayer anymore. its the one that needs it the most
quasi tiger
yeah, I think the legion jewels are all themed according to the army they belong to. So Vaal = blood aka life. Maraketh = bows aka frenzy, evasion and stuff. Templar = spells and power charges. Karui = endurance and defences. Eternals = ???
steep plover
it has an AoE sub theme to its abilities. Something as small as: "you leech life from nearby enemies. Nearby allies gain your leech effects" would be enough to set it apart
limpid wigeon
slayer legitimately isnt THAT bad
its pretty bad but noowhere near as bad as current zerker
static token
That's not entirely true. Berserker needed more attention. I don't think Slayer is as bad as everyone wants to make it out to be. It needs some tweaks but it's far from broken.
steep plover
@static token agreed. the left side with aoe / more dmg stuff feels fine. Its the right side leech nodes that feel underpowered
fair prairie
its not broken its just not special anymore. Everything that made it special was either taken away or thrown on a unique or support gem.
patent canyon
if it isnt that bad then why do we have this?
limpid wigeon
because attack builds in 3.7 lul
steep plover
want to know whats funny tho? The rank 1 slayer in SSF HC flashback (currently lvl 99) is playing winterorb 😄
static token
Player perception and what is true are not always the same. If Mathil started playing a slayer those numbers would change completely.
quasi tiger
slayer worb? lmao
limpid wigeon
idk why they made those gloves though
very stupid decision, they arent even good gloves but them just existing devalues slayer
steep plover
tbh he's pimped out to the teeth. Headhunter, 3 inspired learnings, and 2 ele > chaos wands
quasi tiger
3 inspired learnings sound like overkill
fair prairie
well when you do rmt it don't matter much 😛
limpid wigeon
20% culling is good af, basically 20% more damage without the diminishing returns
static token
Even better in lab.
limpid wigeon
bleed immunity is nice, not something to be underrated
and slayer is still by far the best leech ascendancy in the game
fair prairie
corrupted items, crab chests, or immunity flasks.
Not that hard to get bleed immune
static token
Be thankful Slayer didn't get a tiny fix. Maybe we'll see a major redesign like Zerk/Glad next time.
quasi tiger
by next time you mean in 2 weeks?
fair prairie
yeah they may still have more info /prays for slayer love
quasi tiger
they are changing all melee ascendancies
fair prairie
if slayer don't get fixed i'll just go zerker cyclone but i much rather be a slayer.
static token
Ya, could be Patchnoteswhen holding back info to give out later.
quasi tiger
I'm expecting these patchnotes to be massive
limpid wigeon
im a little concerned honestly
quasi tiger
a few pages of just new mechanics
limpid wigeon
the support gems better be real good because im not holding out a lot of hope for individual skill buffs
considering what we got for the spells
fair prairie
well tbh this announcement felt super light. Most announcements have a bunch of gems up to see even if they are grayed out until later. I feel like this time they intentionally held back information for "spoilers" in order to stretch out the hype train and get people to watch for news more.
limpid wigeon
im still hype as fuck and am definitely playing glacial hammer
frail elm
It's still more than 2 weeks away. We'll get a lot more info in the coming weeks
They like drip feeding us
fair prairie
its true but what im saying is they held back a lot this time in order to make that information drip more impactful. They are milking it.
frail elm
I think there was a lot of info. I was just kinda spread out.
quasi tiger
we have 12-14 days of agony until we see gems/passives/patchnotes
frail elm
If you watch the videos of PoE youtubers and streamers everyone has a few bits and pieces the others didnt
I really liked Beaclast 1h30 interview. He showed a lot of neat stuff
Like we knew that they were changing animations and melee but it was really cool to see it
quasi tiger
yeah the new new hit detection matching animations looks dope
fair prairie
eh not much of a streamer supporter tbh, i think they need real jobs so i refuse to view them.
quasi tiger
but I doubt that has a big impact on gameplay
limpid wigeon
??? are you memeing
frail elm
Streaming is a hard job, I would know.
static token
I can't really speak to it as I work in a NOC. My job is easy. But Steaming is hard, probably not really. Very few jobs are fun, but not being fun and actually being hard are not the same thing.
fair prairie
i'll just go ahead and grab my tin cup and sit on the street corner lol.
limpid wigeon
streaming is just being an entertainer
fair prairie
nah its begging, panhandling, entertainers have salaries.
languid path
I've seen a lot of gatekeeping around here, but gatekeeping "job" is a first
limpid wigeon
yikes zana
frail elm
Yikers Zana, that's insane
quasi tiger
oof
limpid wigeon
do you think buskers are beggars
fair prairie
anyways enough of my dislike of streamers eh? we should discuss more common and fun topics like the legion mechanics
limpid wigeon
im legit more curious about your absolute travesty of a hot take right now
frail elm
You kinda brought it up 🤷
fair prairie
yeah cause i was told to watch a streamer to get information lol
frail elm
You were asking for more info on 3.7. Youtubers and Streamers have that information.
static token
That's just nonsense Zana. I'll refrain from acknowledging you from this point. But that being said having a low chance of success does note make a job inherently hard. It just means going for that job is probably not a great idea. But I would say they are entertainers. And to a degree community managers and sometimes reporters.
limpid wigeon
streaming just has a different kind of difficulty to other jobs, I would say the average cubicle monkey has an easier job than any streamer because at least you don't need to come up with your own content and don't have to effectively manage a business if you get big
steep plover
I can see your perspective Zana (streamers rely on donations to fund themselves), but essentially any start up business in a service industry is the same. You rely on clients consuming your service for business. Just because they don't charge a fee to watch them, doesnt make it any less valid. The same is ultimately true of GGG. Provide a service and let people donate if they feel inclined to do so
limpid wigeon
i mean its just straight up wrong to say that streamers are begging, they provide a service, beggars dont
thats not even an opinion someone could hold, its just incorrect
fair prairie
that's not true, you see plenty of beggers with a guitar, or playing some sort of magic trick and many other random thing. Washing windows ect.
limpid wigeon
they're called buskers
quasi tiger
lots of worthwhile, informative and entertaining stuff is streamed as well, like E3
frail elm
Thats not begging
limpid wigeon
not beggars
quasi tiger
and critical role is streamed and is an actual job for an entire crew handling sound and cameras
frail elm
Literally watching it now :^)
static token
Posting stupid stuff on discord for attention could be described as a form of begging though.
frail elm
quasi tiger
my man 👍
fair prairie
well i did say we should move on, wasn't really a call for attention but a autoresponse of disgust when i was suggested to watch one for information.
limpid wigeon
you're a total dumbass
quasi tiger
😄
fallen tulip
kinda dumb to categorize everyone who streams as a beggar
frail elm
Critical Role provides me with 4+ hours of entertainment a week. I think a 5$ subscription is more than fair. Even just watching is enough to support them.
fair prairie
we can agree to disagree i value your opinion 😛
fallen tulip
i stream the games i play sometimes just to have a non-opinionized gameplay feed available for anyone interested
limpid wigeon
i don't value your opinion, oxygen thief
frail elm
You're saying you won't even acknowledge people trying to make enjoyable content
quasi tiger
🆘
limpid wigeon
you should perform a service instead of stealing mother natures air without consent
basically a beggar
steep plover
@limpid wigeon keep it respectful
static token
Ok but, how about that Legion hype
steep plover
everyone is allowed an opinion
limpid wigeon
fair prairie
yes please back to the legion, support gems for weapons sound fun
steep plover
Anyone else slightly worried about minion interaction with frozen legion mobs?
limpid wigeon
you'll probably need to have a skill ready to tag the mobs
steep plover
I'm just not sure how clever their targetting will be, especially with frozen chests
limpid wigeon
i would assume the minions will just get focused on one enemy
fair prairie
i'm very worried about many skills interactions with legion mobs, i am hoping they learned their lesson in synthesis and test their skills against the league mechanic this time around to make sure there isn't anything weird stoping people from playing fairly common builds.
limpid wigeon
same goes for worb and totems possibly
static token
In relations to buskers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XDbZ6wbBP8
fallen tulip
Vaal Ice Nova someone said
wild arch
Is blood/sand and rage gonna be accessible for everyone while better on gladiator/berserker or exclusive to them? The wording was confusing
patent canyon
for everyone
limpid wigeon
its a mana reserve stance
patent canyon
but those will have additional bonuses to those
limpid wigeon
i dont think zerker has blood/sand synergy
just glad, zerker is the rage class now
wild arch
So rage raider can be a thing 
fallen tulip
im super excited to see a proper melee league
limpid wigeon
fallen tulip
i've played only since Delve so mostly it's just been Arc traps, Winter orb
steep plover
i think blood/sand are like banners. Its a skill available to all, but gladiator will have ascendancy benefits to them
limpid wigeon
i have a theory question; what would be the best weapon to use to get big freezes on glacial hammer
wild arch
Disintegrator
limpid wigeon
war staff or maul
fallen tulip
staff then
limpid wigeon
suppose so
steep plover
@limpid wigeon you either go big hit dmg route (crit staff maybe?) or focus on free duration on the tree
fallen tulip
staff also gets crit chance, or was it only for spells?
steep plover
not sure if theres any weapons that have freeze duration synergies
wild arch
Occultist for massive negative cold resist
patent canyon
global crit for staffs
limpid wigeon
staves have global crit chance passives
and eclipse staff? has it as an implicit instead of block iirc
wild arch
Also hoping wild strike gets the ele hit treatment
limpid wigeon
apparently they're turning some staff bases into war staff bases rather than making a whole bunch of new ones
wild arch
Wild strike trickster 
Wait a minute...
What's the point of flicker if whirling blades will auto target
tawdry badger
Eye cancer
fair prairie
its okay if a couple things act similarly but hold a different niche. the fantasy of what your playing can be an effective lure.
wild arch
Ok but what's up with sweep then
limpid wigeon
one is a spell the other is an attack
wild arch
Since bladestorm is literally sweep but most likely better
fallen tulip
Static Strike + Tempest Shield + Orb of Storms
fair prairie
not sure never actually played sweep
tawdry badger
Sweep was real nice for 1 hr endless ledge
wild arch
Sweep is a 360 hit around you
tawdry badger
That’s about it
fair prairie
so like a cleave type skill
wild arch
Locked to 2 handed weapons with 10% less attack speed
fair prairie
sounds awful i bet it gets reworked
wild arch
Bladestorm is a 360 with blood&sand interaction and can be used with 1 handed
fair prairie
can it be used with 2handed?
wild arch
Idk
fair prairie
that could be the difference, 2h versus 1h that's if it can't use 2h
wild arch
But that's like peak redundancy
2 practically identical skills limited to different weapon types
fair prairie
its not that much different from Etheral knives and shattering steel being the same but one being an attack the other not
fair prairie
how though both cater to a different play style
wild arch
If all I have to do is switch from one handed sword to two and that's it then it's pointless
tawdry badger
There’s prob gonna be a scaling difference or like 2h is slower but higher damage per sweep or smth
Or something like the blade flurry/reave difference when it came out
fair prairie
most likely, 2handers will be slower with more impactful hits, while 2 single handed weapons much faster but smaller hits
limpid wigeon
blind
patent canyon
and additional clear stuff
fair prairie
2 handed probably has a longer range as well.
mint topaz
hey so i was wondering how melee splash support was going to work in the new league now that melee attacks inherently can hit multiple targets
mint topaz
but then ancestral call would completely invalidate it wouldnt it?
languid path
eh no, if you ever tried melee splash you would know that the aoe is much bigger
mint topaz
because each of those shadow clones also would have the multiple hits around you
languid path
and it's not all target around
just a very small cone in front, depending on the attack you use and how that attack swing the weapon
mint topaz
yeah but with ancestral plus yourself you would cover a decent area around yourself with a few holes right
languid path
sure, I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm saying melee splash is still a much bigger aoe and that's where the difference is
whether or not it's a worthwhile difference is a question not answered until release
and even then it might just be a preference thing
mint topaz
hmm also melee splash has a bigger debuff on damage
wouldnt that affect your choice as well since you lose like 5 to 9 ish percent damage on splash vs ancestral
languid path
there come a point then your dmg is so big it doesn't matter, one shotting packs was never a problem with melee splash
steep plover
theres a limit of 1 legion jewel
languid path
ez
patent canyon
for some reason I think there will be like 15 variations of each that will be worthless and only 1 good that will be rare af and will cost >20ex like usually
honest egret
years of experience
steep plover
@patent canyon im kind of more hopeful that they will be different but each of them will have their niche's
patent canyon
well obviously
1 will turn some passives into golem damage and stuff
other will turn into vaal skill damage and stuff
super useful for 0.00001% playerbase
tiny flint
I hope that one of them gives us new charges
Like turning all power charges into Concentrated charges
but they give crit multi instead of chance
olive salmon
Do y'all think minions will gain the benefits of the melee rework? Will they also deal area damage with their attacks by default?
languid path
they also reworked monsters to have accurate hit range
so I would assume minions attack is also reworked
olive salmon
Do minions count as monsters? I hope so
languid path
it's more of a fundamental change to how hit range is calculated and produced ingame
tiny flint
My predictions for todays annoucements: 1 Incubator, 1 item, 1 skill reveal
languid path
so it should affect everything that use attack
olive salmon
Also, Jonathon mentioned that they want some on-hit effects of melee skills to proc off of every target hit. What skills do y'all think are gonna be in that boat?
That makes sense, @languid path
tiny flint
Frost blades?
olive salmon
I'm crossing my fingers for wild strike but it probably won't happen XD
Frost blades would be sweet. So many blades... Infernal blow and dominating blow are getting my bets
patent canyon
but they already proc it with anc call
olive salmon
Right, but they might proc it from the default melee aoe in legion
patent canyon
doubt it
it will be too close for comfort unless you go 2h or something
anc call is just too much of QoL for those skills
olive salmon
I'm certain people will use ancestral call no matter what, but if you ALSO get the free aoe on-hit effects it'll be nuts
And Jonathon wants to give those to as many skills as they can
wild arch
Need more ailment damage
patent canyon
i hope it will be true
olive salmon
I'm merely speculating which of the skills they might be
tiny flint
How does AC work with smite?
languid path
you get 3 aoe
olive salmon
They said bleed and poison are getting reworks, so hopefully ailment damage will be improved
languid path
yes, 1 aoe on the main target, 2 additional aoe for whichever enemy AC trigger on
it's my go to lvling set up for melee
tiny flint
so that's what Im saying. Let the on hit (Which I think is the aoe bolt) proc on every enemy 😄
wild arch
Feel like doing slow hits with maximum poison damage on pathfinder for poison prolif
patent canyon
maximum poison damage is millions of tiny cuts, not 1 big 😛
olive salmon
The only issue with that is that poison stacks and it'll be balanced with that in mind.
A unique item that limits poison to one instance but massively boosts the damage would be cool though...
wild arch
Pathfinder spreads the strongest poison on kill and can double its damage
olive salmon
But still, the strongest poison will be pretty weak on its own. Poison is balanced around stacking them up
wild arch
I'm fully aware of that
The problem here is that fire prolif with melee is a joke
For now at least
normal kraken
the best way to exploit pf's poison prolif prolifing the strongest poison is probably scourge arrow
olive salmon
That's true. All the fire melee skills use lots of small hits outside of infernal blow which has limited aoe
wild arch
Fire ele hit is an option but at that point why not just ranged
olive salmon
That's the conclusion almost all melee build plans come to XD
wild arch
Was hoping for a big charged hit skill like scourge but that seems very unlikely
compact junco
we just got one, divine ire
normal kraken
if you actively focus on only getting the strongest poison and neglecting cast/attack speed you are hindering yourself too much
olive salmon
Yeah, I'd love a big fire-based melee skill that charges up and makes a volcano-like explosion
normal kraken
poison base dot is just too low to focus on a single poison stack
limpid wigeon
fuck me boys im so sad that its gonna be two weeks before i can play glacial hammer
olive salmon
Your avatar reflects your emotions well
olive salmon
I'm personally hyped for wild strike. It's gonna feel so good.
Oh. God... Make it stop
compact junco
do you have that image ready every time someone mentions your ppic? :d
limpid wigeon
it would be a crime to not show someone ripped frog
compact junco
😄
olive salmon
I'm not sure you know what crime means.
compact junco
bet that frog knows
olive salmon
Anyway. More on topic: cwc cyclone ice nova shock nova anyone?
With a fire weapon to proc EE?
mossy coral
is there any info as to how Essence Drain/Contagion will work for breaking the mobs out? will it just clean the whole screen or will one essence drain break out one mob and dont chain afterwards?
low kindle
Can someone link the cyclone tooltip that was sniped in one of the videos?
languid path
mental apex
It attacks faster now too!
Nice, I love attack speed
compact junco
well, that is because it will no longer hit twice
frail elm
Thats some top tier pixels
void juniper
enhance
hasty pebble
2 attack per second + %50 = 3 aps but old cyclone hits twice so 6 aps
2 attack per second + %200 = 6 aps but new cyclone hits once so 6 is final value
So nothing changes
mental apex
Does attack speed on cyclone do anything for movement?
hasty pebble
afaik no. Attack speed only affects Circular motion, not linear motion i suppose
ionic pier
Jonathan also confirmed on baeclast that movement speed will remain unchanged
hybrid cosmos
wasnt there something like "get phasing while channeling?" which would also destroy your dmg
low kindle
Do they attack or cast?
limpid wigeon
im pretty sure its a spell?
I really hope they at least describe what the weapon specific support gems do
IDK if I'm going to rock a staff or maul glacial hammer without knowing
spare talon
I mean, those Incubation Items, maybe they only work on specific legion monsters? and not like people think all of the monsters everywhere and It will pop very often like low lvl gems
mental apex
Vaal teapots attack, 90% sure.
Poe wiki to double check me tho
wild arch
Why is everyone hyping up cwc cyclone when coc is just better
naive canopy
well no cyclone or cwc or coc shit will change fact that with arrows you can cover whole screen almost instantly
and that makes trigerring legions super nice and easy
paper fractal
But cyclone! 😮
violet nymph
@wild arch it's cheaper and easier to get the cwc variant going from the second you can get the skill gems
naive canopy
wel I dont know why people keep jizzing about cycllone... earthquake seems better in a way it goes around corners and covers whole screen nicely
violet nymph
unlike coc won't feel like a real combo till you have sufficient crit.
wild arch
Did they say that most melee skills will get flat damage increases?
patent canyon
as if it is hard to get crit these days
naive canopy
yeah most of skills will get built in part of damage and get decreased dmg efficiency to keep existing weapons inline
wild arch
Trypanon looking real juicy right now
naive canopy
or disintegrator...
wild arch
That thing has more than enough flat damage and you're better off increasing it
WAIT A MINUTE
IT'S CAGED GOD'S TIME TO SHINE
wary minnow
Is it though
rigid forge
Will dual wield Mjölner + Cyclone CWC be a thing?
The 'Skills chain +1 times' is global, right?
eternal turtle
Yep
rigid forge
So you could have a 6L CWC arc with +2 chains, which is what 32% more dmg?
eternal turtle
Use the chain amulet as well for some bossing
rigid forge
and you wouldn't have to hit anything to proc it, just spin
eternal turtle
The extra damage for each chain remaining
patent canyon
but you would only cast it like once every 300ms
and if it doesnt kill pack it will feel like shit
eternal turtle
Do you need more often?
rigid forge
350ms I think at level 20 and 21
patent canyon
something like that
patent canyon
you could also be casting spells with CoC instead
eternal turtle
But ya need to hit then
rigid forge
But then you have to invest into hits and crit chance
patent canyon
but then you get more fun build
rigid forge
same build you could make right now though
except with a more fluid cyclone
CWC doesn't trigger when you start channeling, right?
rigid forge
phys spin or ele conversion spin
rigid forge
oh lol, I thought you meant you were going plain cyclone with no extras
violet nymph
naaaah
i mean you won't be able to tell i'm doing other stuff
purifying flame is so lacking in visual feedback it's sad
rigid forge
Y'all think it'll be realistic to stun bosses with a starforge and minor investments?
Phys + melee should give it a decent amount of "more" stun multipliers
violet nymph
i'm doing chieftain cyclone with cwc/coc purifying flames
i might stick with cwc a lot due to letting my self get hit's can't be evaded through RT, would be cheap and easy since it's so close
rigid forge
you're also pretty close to ele overload and accuracy should be easier to come by now
spare cape
Shield charge using shield damage might make some face breaker shinanagins possible
rigid forge
No I mean ele overload as an alternative
violet nymph
oh yeah
rigid forge
I've done shield charge builds before with loads of flat lightning and prolif + inpulsa
violet nymph
i mean RT is just is just going to be flat out i'm tired of missing
that's why i'm taking it. i can't stand missing at all
violet nymph
i'm scaling both my cyclone and purifying flame
fallen tulip
hmm
patent canyon
20c
rigid forge
one month in you should be able to target farm it pretty easily
and there's no real lock or timegame, just a currency gate
probably will cost about the same as the flask costs 1 month in, as that's also very desired by many meta builds
patent canyon
and the entry would prob be fire ball axe
then ppl might get bored or move on to CoC / CwC stuff with cyclone
in the end it highly doubt starforge will rise exponentially
wet plaza
dunno i've never seen another rare drop besides flask on shaper, i'd not say easily
low kindle
have someone shown asmongold the trailer yet
limpid wigeon
probably 2-3 ex
tulip vector
bottled faith only drops from cortex right?
limpid wigeon
isnt asmon playing classic atm, i dont think he cares about poe
tulip vector
is synthesis gonna be in the next league?
limpid wigeon
nope
well
probably not
they might try to slide the uniques in somehow
but they said synth definitely isnt going coore
tulip vector
oh okay i saw bottled faith in the trailer and i was like synthesis was back
copper kernel
its going to be either very hard or impossible to get it
rigid forge
probably just expensive - very hard or impossible will be getting one of those fancy historic jewels that works exactly how you want it
low kindle
theres a fucking div card for league uniques
copper kernel
someone needs to update those tho
spare talon
also, I think incubations only works on leagion specifi monsters, not entire Wraeclast
native storm
That would suck
spare talon
or Jonathan clarified that, I didnt watch it yet
but 2k monsters is nothing, unless they are specific type of monsters
rigid forge
Well if the reward is like "here have a chaos orb"
spare talon
its like 4 moon temple map,
rigid forge
do we know whether incubation 'charges' are shared or split amongst all incubating items?
if you are incubating 5 items and get a kill, do you get 1 progress on all 5 or just on one of them
spare talon
i guess we will know that after june 7 😛
or maybe in next baeclast with another GGG developer next week or so
maybe Chris
sonic cipher
Probably shared. There would be no reason to be able to have multiple incubation items on multiple pieces if the kills weren't shared. it would just function like a queue system then, which would be trash
rigid forge
I'll definitely have to try it myself, but so far this mechanic just feels like drops with extra steps
spare talon
probably true, also I guess there are gonna be scarabs incubators, bestiary, delve etc
like nodes in nexus now
fair prairie
harbinger incubators = Alteration Shards
rigid forge
yeah, harbinger currency incubators could be nice or shit
spare talon
nope
I should have nexus screen shot
from harbingers node
DoNt YuO GuYs pLaY SyNtHeSiS?
rigid forge
Was just about to ask whether nexus was gonna be shared next league
sonic cipher
it incentivizes killing lots of mobs. Personally, ive grown tired of mapping and the rewards for alch n go have been mediocre at best in my case. So when I got my atlas progression at max, I dont see much reason to go mapping. Id rather spam uber lab or end game bosses. With the incubation thingies, if the rewards are good enough, I could go back to mapping
The only thing that would suck is if the rewards for the incubation things aren't good enough. Then it just becomes something you slap on your gear when you can and forget about. There's also the slight issue that it could become a slightly tedious micromanagement problem, because 500 mobs really isn't much. maybe 2 maps
peak laurel
tbh it just sounds like you're burnt out from poe
Probably take a break and come back for the new league
@sonic cipher
sonic cipher
Im having plenty of fun with PoE. Im gonna rock a solid cycloner and have fun with the game. I just dont like mapping.
mental apex
I like mapping, it just gets super boring after grinding to level 85
copper kernel
lvl 85 is like....day 2 progress
spare talon
low kindle
day 1 if it isnt the first character
wet plaza
day.5 if youre mathile
low kindle
mathilda did 85 in day 1, just not the first char
copper kernel
well yeah depends how long your "day 1" is
elder vale
wonder if elemental hit will be nice to tag and kill lots of targets in legion
peak laurel
48 hours
limpid wigeon
should I SSF again for leaguestart or should I play trade league this time around
peak laurel
that's my day LUL
copper kernel
limpid wigeon
aaah i guess i have to trade league actually
because glacial hammer threshold jewel isnt a quest reward
spare talon
cleave/reave perma fortify next league, I already decided
mental apex
I only play like 2 hours a day max, so lvl 85-90 takes like a week or so.
I don't mind, I really enjoy the leveling process over endgame
spare talon
but most of the builds start working at lvl 90+ ish and engame grinding begins
wet plaza
never played a single build starting to work at 90 tbh
spare talon
are "complete" sounds better
mental apex
Complete sounds better than start working
Mind start working at level 70, just aren't even close to complete
vague bloom
Hi, soo super stoke about the melee rework.. but how will it fair against the supreme map clearing of a ranged arc or Tornado Shot? Like C/B rank clearing instead of D?
What about damage and able to withstand blow for high level? Did they touch enemy damage that is less 1hit kill at high level.
placid grotto
I'm gonna disagree with arc. Tried it this morning and seemed ok
mental apex
Doubt it.
Just dodge. It's not that hard. Watch for patterns, learn to avoid the attack.
And they made it easier when it wasn't too horribly hard before.
gloomy basin
Enemy damage is going to be easier to deal with now that we have animation cancelling and instant movement
copper kernel
ok is not "supreme map clearing"
placid grotto
Ok is still good enough for a mapping skill
If you either can't use it or don't like it, doesn't mean it's dead
gloomy basin
no one said that lol
copper kernel
yea
vague bloom
Last thing, what about going above 100% accuracy? will the stat be change to something else (Like crit chance)
placid grotto
arc isnt even that good anymore
That reads to me like it's C-tier
copper kernel
your reading comprehension is entirely your problem
placid grotto
I think it's upper B to mid A as a build
spare talon
if you have 18% chance to chain additonal time storm brand enchant its really god for clear speed
wet plaza
imaginary build tiers woo
livid apex
W 
R B
vague bloom
Unless they balance WO, it's still going to be the main bandwagon despite all the melee change
wet plaza
nerf cyclone you say bo7
mental apex
I'm part of the low % that doesn't play the meta
Woohoo
violet nymph
Ah, wow, purifying flame has such a low play rate
frigid raptor
so is the 5 spots map device apart from our current map device? i mean will we have 2 different devices, one for maps and one for the legion dungeons, or will we be able to also use maps with 5 spots?
dawn ridge
you can use the 5 slot one for maps
so you can put an extra scarab in
I think it is said in ziggyd's video
placid grotto
"can". It remains to be seen how available that is
For all we know, it's possible like you can craft +1 totem or +2 MS projectiles
violet nymph
well considering the 5 slot is how you access that best part of the league, i'd say while it's challenging to get, it's reasonable
dawn ridge
I play meta till I have enough currency to gear my troll builds
placid grotto
Perhaps. But I'm expecting it to be like Aul until I have proof otherwise