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[tidal ruin]

itd probably have to be deadeye

[grave valve]

you'll want to go bow caster probably for a slick "skills chain +1 times" quiver corrupt

[tidal ruin]

mmm deadeye would give you that

and chain is only -11% now

vs having a shield + wand

but that's giving up better ascendancies too lmao

[tame mason]

curse of going off meta xd

[grave valve]

well

i think it's certainly doable

i went with a quick ES tree that's probably rubbish

since i haven't grabbed best pathing

[teal axle]

I just have a 3.4 spark build that I didnt play

just gonna do that

I might need to change the tree a bit but it already pathed into heart of thunder so we got our leech

[tidal ruin]

what's the point of doing a build if u know it's gonna work 😃

[languid path]

'cause you don't know it's gonna work until you build it

also I like to destroy the game

[wary stratus]

I've theorycrafted like 4 different complete builds for the new league

.. and I'm planning on playing a build I've played 4 times before as my league starter

feels weird man

[midnight phoenix]

Its normal

[languid path]

also I like to amass currency and show off on discord as the supreme being

[fluid mantle]

do any of ya'll like to collect stash tabs of items and organize by league?

[wary stratus]

I.. like the idea of having done that, but fuck actually doing that myself

my standard stash is nightmare fuel

[fluid mantle]

loll

[midnight phoenix]

I cant even imagine what my standard stash looks like

After 3 years of accumulated unsorted league crap in remove only tabs

HOARDERS: POE EDITION

[wary stratus]

I tried to organize my standard stash back in.. abyss I think

I gave up after 2 hours

[languid path]

I'm not sure I even have enough tabs to store everything I want

so I just use ggg's free tab instead

[wary stratus]

I did manage to do one useful thing

I got several quad tabs empty and put a single wisdom scroll in each

so GGG couldn't turn them into remove only tabs

now whenever I need to delete a character on standard I can just toss all their gear in a "random old gear" tab instead of just sending all their stuff to the void

[teal axle]

@tidal ruin this league is basically running through my midterms and finals, I'm probably only going to have time for one build
Havent played spark since voltaxic spark and I figure the spell was buffed and the gear might not be expensive due to it not being a meta focus

so it wont be as punishing as picking something meta and being poor

[swift schooner]

soulrend or ED? 🤔

[tame mason]

first for clear and 2nd for single it seems like

but it depend on projectile speed and if it go fast enough to beat contagion sprea

d

cant go wrong with either tbh

[swift schooner]

dam if only they made soulrend not pierce continuously

then we can drop the fork in there xD

[tame mason]

snakepit

[swift schooner]

hmm

[tame mason]

blight cwc soulrend is a melee option

[swift schooner]

only reason im contemplating is because i feel laazy trying to get dex so i can run GMP with it

i really hate juggling gear for stats

[tame mason]

that's why htere are 30 stat nodes xd

[swift schooner]

.-.

also does profane bloom seem any good on soulrend?

feel like it'd increase the clearspeed but you'd need proj speed to keep up with it

[tame mason]

good point. it's bad for ed contagion. no idea if the same for soulrend

[swift schooner]

is it bad for ED contagion?

[tame mason]

easy test in standard

because it wont spread

on pop

[swift schooner]

why not? o.o

[pliant heath]

i would imagine its fine for soulrend as main ability since u dont need to spread soulrend

[swift schooner]

i thought contagion spreads when thing dies

[tame mason]

that's a fun google topic xd

reddit profane bloom ed contagion

[swift schooner]

oh i see now

its not spreading cause things die too fast

and breaks the chain

dam now im torn.

Occultist soulrend vs trickster ED

[tame mason]

occulist is the melee ci version while trickster is hybrid ranged version if that make sense

both can do the opposite but might need more work to make it viable

im going trickster because of the node rework is too good

[swift schooner]

i honestly don't mind going melee ci since ES leech is a thing now

hmm

only thing keeping me from playing trickster is cause evasion

i've had my fairshare of evasion builds in HC and its like playing the lottery honestly

[teal axle]

shade dance buff is really good

[halcyon veldt]

i'm kind of afraid that the trickster new mechanic isn't goign to be very good because you'll get hit often enough that it's constantly down

[pliant heath]

i dont think u should get hit that much

[teal axle]

trickster with the shade dance stuff is basically cant be stunned, 10% ms, and some evasion/dodge as well

[pliant heath]

unless u are melee trickster

[halcyon veldt]

why? if you're going fast you're gonna get hit by all kinds of stuff

especially if you cast a lot in a row (intensify) or channel things

[tame mason]

playing trickster wrong xd. it's cast once and run around

[pliant heath]

i think it depends on the build u play with it, with as much evasion u get normally and just positioning wise i barely get hit

[tame mason]

with the rework, perfect form chest is perfect for it

[pliant heath]

yea would be good

[tame mason]

50% spell dodge with no downside

and jade flask is in now

give the power of grace without 50% reserve

for my build, popping it will give me 20% evade. it's absurd

[pliant heath]

yea trickster caustic arrow/toxic rain is gonna be fun

i think the att speed is easier to manage with ghost shrouds then it was with ur energy shield recharging recently

[tame mason]

and capped chaos resist. 4K+ life, 2.2k mana. 3k es. 68% evade chance with jade flask up

[pliant heath]

the no reserve artic armor too is super nice

[tame mason]

AA still suck

cuz it require for u to hold still to benefit

otherwise the chill is there for dumb mob to chase

[pliant heath]

yea its not worth using on its own

but why not use it when its free

[tame mason]

bring back old AA

where it reduce flat phys dmg xd

[proud moth]

does anyone know if bane only gets more damage for linked curses applied or if it works for global curse on hit?

[pliant heath]

u cant go wrong with trickster caustic arrow/toxic rain

u can switch in and out with every chaos skill really easy too

[tame mason]

ed+soulrend+bane+blight as well. vortex even

[pliant heath]

yea i wish that vaal cold snap buff of 20 to 40 monsters

was for normal cold snap as well

[tame mason]

ok bane gonna be socketed with cuse gem itsself to gain any buff

[pliant heath]

i think for bane build, for occultist 3 curses, u would use bane temp chains enfeeble, then use witchfirebrew for despair

[midnight turtle]

Yeah

[tame mason]

uh wtichfire is around u

[pliant heath]

cause 2 curses is most u should use for bane if u want most dmg

[languid path]

no don't use witchfire brew, ggg nerfed the curse effectiveness on bosses

[grave valve]

tbh with 20k evasion you'll get 1k es recovered every time you're hit

[languid path]

which means curse effect on tree are very strong

[grave valve]

and after that 1k es every second if you're still getting hit

[languid path]

and from blashemy

but curse from flask are not modified by those

[grave valve]

yeah, i need to look at my bane occ

[pliant heath]

idk where u saw they nerfed curse effectiveness on bosses

it states in the patch notes they buffed it

[tame mason]

dmg curse is buffed, def curse is nerfed and only temp chain and enfeeble

[languid path]

you're misunderstanding what I said

[pliant heath]

33%/66% from 60/80

[languid path]

yes

which means

[native sonnet]

general curse effectiveness is buffed, temp chain and enfeeble itself is nerfed

[languid path]

curse effect from tree are a lot stronger

and from blashpemy

so you wanna stack those

but if you use witchfire, the despair aura you get is not effected by curse effectiveness from tree and blashphemy

and why the fuck do I keep spelling blasphemy wrong

[dusty cove]

i am still trying to work out why you would only want a 2 curse bane

[languid path]

because the more modifier per curse is additive per curse

[tame mason]

cuz curse buff are linear

[languid path]

so throw in a support gem instead

[tame mason]

so it's 2 then other suppport gem give more roi

[languid path]

and run offensive curse on aura

[solemn tiger]

Do you think wave of conviction will produce a full wave from each mine?

[languid path]

so that you can stack curse effectiveness

[balmy ravine]

So.... bow builds get 9 sockets in weapon slots now?

[dusty cove]

no?

[balmy ravine]

Go check major news... 3 socket quivet

[native sonnet]

sockets yes, not linked

[balmy ravine]

Quiver

And who said they were unlinkable

Loreweave is linkable

Has same mod

[native sonnet]

i mean the 9 sockets arent linked together

9s, not 9l

[balmy ravine]

Thats still 9 sockets in weapons slots

[teal axle]

its a free frenzy curse on hit or frenzy/onslaught setup

especially now that onslaught support has a chance to work on hit vs rares, but probably better options

[pliant heath]

ok i see what u mean now

curse duration applies to bane now too

thats crazy

[balmy ravine]

At least make dual wields able to hit 2x 4s if you gonna give 9s to bowas lol

[tame mason]

wait for 3.7

[teal axle]

lol no

[pliant heath]

fk dual wield buff, buff 2 handers

[teal axle]

dual wielding melee been meta for casters and melee for multiple leagues, finally gets nerfed and people act like they deservin shit

buff 2 hander

[balmy ravine]

As if 2x 6l wasnt already op

[halcyon veldt]

-1 melee range to 2h weapons

next patch

[violet nymph]

yeah obviously

[pliant heath]

i mean the quiver is alright, its just a utility thing with sockets

[teal axle]

its a utility thing and is arguably worse than high end options anywyas

[halcyon veldt]

the fact that quivers exist and have existed for years

but 2h melee weapons get nothing has been a slap in the face of melee all this time

[teal axle]

agreed

[halcyon veldt]

and now it's like they're rubbing it in even more

[balmy ravine]

^

[teal axle]

Konami you went "gimme dual wielding buffs"

not buff 2 handers

[tame mason]

what u gonna do about it? there arent any poe competitor

[teal axle]

2 handed melee needs a buff, dual wielding was meta for the longest fucking time

shit needed a nerf, got a nerf

[halcyon veldt]

even way back in the beta of the game

2h was behind bows on this aspect

[balmy ravine]

So, make them even? Not make one side absurdly op with an extra coc

[halcyon veldt]

since they were less tanky

[teal axle]

its not an extra coc

its a 3 link bow attack skill

which is basically just utility

[halcyon veldt]

yes

[tame mason]

it's a lot easier to just focus on the meta and run with it and wait for them to fix other things like always lol

[teal axle]

^

[leaden wraith]

also

[halcyon veldt]

and it's in an extra slot

[balmy ravine]

Yes it will be lol that bow skill is gonna get linked with supports and acts as a coc

[halcyon veldt]

you don't have to use it for the skill

[leaden wraith]

CoC with a 1s cooldown

[halcyon veldt]

you could put anything in there

[leaden wraith]

nice damage

[pliant heath]

it is free frenzy charges on bosses without doing anything which is pretty strong

[balmy ravine]

But instead its coh which is even more op

[leaden wraith]

i think basic attack is better

[tidal frost]

you could put a bow attack with CoC in there.

[leaden wraith]

it has a 1s cooldown

[teal axle]

its utility at the cost of a good well rolled rare quiver

[halcyon veldt]

yes, but 2h don't have quivers at all

[teal axle]

and I agree with that

[leaden wraith]

no one is gonna use that quiver actually

[teal axle]

but thats not "buff dual wielding" like konami said 🐸 🍵

[leaden wraith]

other than for meme shit

[dusty cove]

as for quivers beeing a slap in the face to 2h, bow mods have always been lower than 2h mods due to it

[teal axle]

I was gonna use the quiver with asenath's and quill rain so I could hate myself properly

[leaden wraith]

lol

[dusty cove]

so it evens out sorta

[leaden wraith]

that's so bad

[halcyon veldt]

no, mods have been lower than 2h because bows are ranged

[teal axle]

its so bad that its good 😎

[leaden wraith]

hence, meme shit

[halcyon veldt]

but even if what you said were true, the problem is that you can roll 2 decent items instead of one great item

[tidal frost]

1% boss drop inc

[halcyon veldt]

and it's always easier to get

[leaden wraith]

uhh

disagree

[strange furnace]

do you guys think tornado shot will be viable now with the fork support buff?

[leaden wraith]

definitely way harder to get a good quiver + bow as opposed to a good 2h sword

[timid mango]

tornado shot was already viable

[leaden wraith]

considering you spend like twice the resources

[pliant heath]

fake 2h onigor is pretty good imo

[leaden wraith]

also yeah ts was already viable

[strange furnace]

but fork is pretty good w ith ts no?

[timid mango]

Fork is a budget option anyways

[leaden wraith]

oni goroshi is pretty strong

[strange furnace]

and it got buffed a large amount

[timid mango]

ideally you would use Rigwald's quills

[dusty cove]

finding a 700 dps 2h is a lot easier than 400 dps bow and a good quiver unless you just go uniq

[pliant heath]

i think oni is gonna only be like 40c at league start since no one will be playing melee

[leaden wraith]

you wish

[pliant heath]

so free 6 link for you to use whatever body armor

[leaden wraith]

its going to be 2ex

[timid mango]

yea but who's farming it

[leaden wraith]

specifically because people know no one is going to play melee

there's no point farming it to sell

[tame mason]

if u play melee this league, ur complaints is invalid lol

[timid mango]

the cards will be cheaper

[leaden wraith]

by 2ex more like 5ex

[timid mango]

technically

[teal axle]

shockwave totem gang rise up
long have we waited

[pliant heath]

lol 2ex when it was 50c last league

[strange furnace]

i'll play melee 😃

[leaden wraith]

i mean like

by all means

[pliant heath]

and even 2 ex

[leaden wraith]

please farm oni goroshi and sell at 50c so i can buy all of them from you

[pliant heath]

2 ex is super cheap considering ex price at start of league

[strange furnace]

shattering steel with fork support still seems strong. and vaal double strike

[halcyon veldt]

@dusty cove i just opened up poe.trade on standard

[balmy ravine]

S tier caster gets buffed while A tier caster nerfed

[tame mason]

going SSF this time around

[halcyon veldt]

cheapest 700 pdps rare 2h is 40 ex, cheapest 400 pdps bow is 4ex

[teal axle]

S tier caster 🍿

[leaden wraith]

because S tier eand A tier means anything in general

[dusty cove]

good on you, you looking at the market of a place where things go to die

not sure what you want to prove by that

[teal axle]

unless you're in the 0.1% of players grinding ladder or competing for market share tier means nothing

and I seriously doubt any of us are

[balmy ravine]

Well it does make a big difference between arc and winter orb. Arc is shit against bosses, winter orb just obliterates them

[halcyon veldt]

even a 495 pdps bow is 30ex

[leaden wraith]

to be fair

he can't look up any other market

techncially standard is the most active league rn

[teal axle]

mfw comparing selfcast arc to winter orb

implying selfcast arc was even meta

[dusty cove]

also i said dps not pdsp

[balmy ravine]

Standard market is messed up it doesnt count. Everyone's rich and has gazillions of items

[pliant heath]

even trappers use lightning spire for single target with arc

[leaden wraith]

you know what else obliterates bosses?

molten strike

so i guess melee is op

[teal axle]

molten strike is nutty

[leaden wraith]

i love these arguments

[halcyon veldt]

dps is a useless measure though

cause it depends so much on a build

[midnight phoenix]

Why do we care about dps over pdps

[pliant heath]

tectonic slam/molten strike is still a viable melee build

[halcyon veldt]

a random 700 dps 2h is completely worthless

[teal axle]

dps is the only yardstick to see how big our epeen are though

[midnight phoenix]

On a weapon

Like

[dusty cove]

cause one version is way cheaper than the other?

[halcyon veldt]

for a good reason

[midnight phoenix]

And super bad lol

[pliant heath]

lets be real everyone gonna be playing shock nova right?

[midnight phoenix]

Ok good job we got a 700 dps oro

Build still does nothing

[balmy ravine]

With WO you channel and facetank

[halcyon veldt]

does shock nova still have the stupid deadzone?

[teal axle]

if shock nova has the deadzone Im avoiding it

[pliant heath]

yes aerr

[teal axle]

I want to try storm burst but I'd rather do spark

[pliant heath]

it does sadface

[teal axle]

spark gonna be great in sythesis zones with the walls

[halcyon veldt]

i might even consider shock nova if it didn't have the deadzone

if you're too close to a wall spark doesn't cast fyi

[balmy ravine]

My comment got removed? Do you really censor the word s h i t? Lol

[teal axle]

honestly I think storm call is sleeper with intensify or the other new support

[pliant heath]

once i craft eclipse staff im going vaal storm call

[teal axle]

the uh, build up one or whatever

seems great for storm call

[pliant heath]

thing is with storm call

[teal axle]

but its gonna be a test to see how the new supports feel vs spell echo

[halcyon veldt]

intensify in general doesn't seem very good

[pliant heath]

it feels lackluster with non crits

its feels super super good with crits

[teal axle]

yeah not intensify

unleash

[halcyon veldt]

unleash is interesting

[teal axle]

Im basically waiting to see if unleash feels better than spell echo

because they're basically competing for the same niche of casting efficiency

[halcyon veldt]

i'd totally put unleash on my zombies

[pliant heath]

storm call kinda needs the helm enchantment imo tho

[teal axle]

unleash zombie actually sounds super smart

[pliant heath]

its huuuuge quality of life

[teal axle]

thats efficient af

[halcyon veldt]

wait no

can't do that

[sage vapor]

wait, does infused channelling support gem, give Soulrend 4 types of 10% more multiplier for the 4 different damage gem tags?

[teal axle]

unleash firestorm curse on hit, possibly

[halcyon veldt]

cause summoner and no sockets

[pliant heath]

why would infused channeling give soulrend any dmg

soulrend isnt channel?

[teal axle]

I would try soulwrest again but I got worn out during betrayal because pre declawing syndicate just aoe'd them to shit

soulrend is a projectile

[halcyon veldt]

really?

[teal axle]

@sage vapor no

[halcyon veldt]

my soulwrest wrecked syndicate

although i had phys skeletons to back them up

[teal axle]

I had phys skeletons too

they just got obliterated

not sure what I was doing wrong tbh

[halcyon veldt]

wat

[teal axle]

I had like 13ex in ghastly jewels too

[halcyon veldt]

did you use like a level 26+ summon skeleton?

[teal axle]

with taunt/maim/blind/etc

no

[halcyon veldt]

y not

[teal axle]

ton of money?

[halcyon veldt]

just get a tabula with +2 duration gems +1 general gems

slap in a +4 empower

level 21 summon skeletons

[leaden wraith]

just get a +4 empower

ez

[sage vapor]

my bad i meant for blight in a CWC setup, blight shares similar damage tags so why wouldnt it gain 10% damage for each

[teal axle]

I ended up selling out, bought into super high end cold dot occultist and facerolled t15 and t16s

[halcyon veldt]

hello level 28 summon skeletons total

[teal axle]

was pleasant

[leaden wraith]

also no

[teal axle]

yeah

I didnt have the immediate money for that

[loud lotus]

what's the hgihest level skelly you can get from a bow ??

[leaden wraith]

the damage types are only 3 elemental and chaos

[balmy ravine]

Well instead of spending 13ex on jools maybe you should get a decent skill gem to begin with??

[teal axle]

I rolled them you goon

[loud lotus]

+1 intel, + 1 socketed, +2 support?

[halcyon veldt]

well then get a level 3 empower and it's level 27

[leaden wraith]

fire lightning cold chaos

[halcyon veldt]

still pretty good

[teal axle]

crazy that I actually crafted my own jewels

I sold them all, got a 6link incandescent and some high end ES gear and just went cold dot occultist

was a great change

[halcyon veldt]

imo skeletons are insane at killing uber elder

[teal axle]

but yeah if I had ivnested like you did I think I would've been fine

I just didnt have the capital to get to that point

[halcyon veldt]

well i played a summoner like that in temple

[teal axle]

ye

[halcyon veldt]

so i knew to get the tabula asap

[teal axle]

it was my 2nd character, i hit a gearing wall on a heiro armageddon brand

[halcyon veldt]

and those tabulas are always cheap, at like 1-2 ex max

well, after a few days of the leaguet hat is

[teal axle]

shadowstitch or you mean tabula tabula

[halcyon veldt]

tabula tabula

[teal axle]

ah

nice

I dont get as many hours as I used to so Im going to go with something a bit more tried and true this league to avoid rerolling I think

[halcyon veldt]

well, i started with that build

but honestly, soulwrest makes that build so much better for clearing

[teal axle]

without soulwrest it felt awful tbh

was my first minion experience though

[balmy ravine]

What build is gonna be meta farming now?

[grave valve]

soulrend

[teal axle]

why would it change

[balmy ravine]

Ofc

[halcyon veldt]

is soulrend really taht good?

seemed mediocre to me

[grave valve]

ye

[teal axle]

very good damage, problem is just keeping the damage uptime imo

so you want a 4link ED for bossing I think

[halcyon veldt]

yeah but the cast time on the skill is so long

[grave valve]

cast speed, slower proj, unleash

[balmy ravine]

Dont kill bosses, just run rare t15 maps as quick as possible and youll get rich

[teal axle]

oh

if thats what you mean then standard aurabot + bow fucker

[grave valve]

skill effect duration

trickster

plenty of ways to get 100% soulrend uptime

[halcyon veldt]

0.8 second cast time

[teal axle]

Im just saying if you have to dodge / mobile enemies / etc

[grave valve]

0.4s debuff duration, can probably get that to reach 0.6s debuff duration

[teal axle]

you will lose that uptime

you're not going to stand still spamming soulrend

[grave valve]

slower proj = larger debuff uptime before timer starts

[tame mason]

blight cwc soulrend hmm

[grave valve]

unleash = multiple soulrend projectiles in sequence

[teal axle]

yeah unleash will help

I dunno if I want to do soulrend or spark, indecisiveness sucks

[tame mason]

chaos because in general mobs are weaker to chaos than lightning usually

bane+ despair will clap any chaos resist a mob has lol

[halcyon veldt]

i'd like to do dark pact

[grave valve]

fork has 9% more dmg per proj now

[halcyon veldt]

but i'm not sure if i want to go trickster

and i'm not sure how annoying it would be to play a self cast build like this

[tame mason]

youtube. u dont want to lol

[pliant heath]

i think storm call will be sleeper op, u can get duration to strike all the way down to .3

[halcyon veldt]

@tame mason why?

[tame mason]

i mean watch vidoes of dark pact in action and all variation of it

[halcyon veldt]

well it's aoe vs projectile

but it still deals more damage than soulrend

[balmy ravine]

Stop looking at dps and look at effectiveness

[tame mason]

xd and travel size and how many time u gonan cast. etc xd

[pliant heath]

soul rend would be miles better for clearing

[barren crescent]

Proper dp setup is on of the highest dmg skills in the game

[halcyon veldt]

well i mean

if you look at alpha damage

even self-cast dark pact with no life at all is 1061 dps, while soulrend is 700

[tame mason]

clear speed is king in this game so dp is trash in that sense regardless

[pliant heath]

question

with storm call getting buffed

would base dmg on vaal version using normal storm call also be buffed?

[indigo lake]

Attack Speed is everything in this game.

[balmy ravine]

Yes same skill

[pliant heath]

just not the vaal version itself

[teal axle]

its the same skill even if vaal

yes

[tidal frost]

vaal gems are two seperate skills the normal and the vaal. normal gem is always the same

[barren crescent]

Vaal skill has same stats as base skill unless stated other wise, like vaal dd

[pliant heath]

damn storm call gonna be able to crit more with assassin mark changes too

[tidal frost]

shock nova seems like itll hit super hard. ease of use aside

Im going all in on orb of storms and Ill hatemyself for it in 2 days

[alpine gyro]

leveling with orb of stroms is gonna suck lol

[tame mason]

uh it was never to be as a main skill

[tidal frost]

oh I wont level with it

but the final build should rip a boss with it

[alpine gyro]

i hope so

[tame mason]

there is nothing impressive to try to work around with a shit skill

[alpine gyro]

for the meme

making a shit skill kill end game bosses

[balmy ravine]

I feel like winter orb ice spear is gonna be quicker for downing bosses

[alpine gyro]

that's impressive

wym

[tame mason]

there is a youtube channel that did that

clap uber elder with bunch of off meta skills

[tidal frost]

ok nvm no fun allowed

[tame mason]

turn out, dodging is the challenge not dps xd

[alpine gyro]

i'ma level with storm brand and might take it end game depending on how everything feels

prob switch to incinerate cwc detonate dead

[lone parrot]

Y not volatile dead?

[alpine gyro]

or it might be volatile dead

can't remember

[pliant heath]

yea inquis storm brand will still be crazy strong

[lone parrot]

Idk if divine ire is bad in gameplay i might switch to storm brand

[alpine gyro]

can you switch ascendancies late game if needed or na

[lone parrot]

Yes

[balmy ravine]

Hey what skill do those bow builds use to make porcupines not explode and wreck everyone?

[alpine gyro]

gonna try elementalist

then might go like

ignite occultist

[tidal frost]

ascendency skills. not which class

[alpine gyro]

rip

[lone parrot]

Ye not class but the ascendacies in the class itself

[tame mason]

u need something that destroy the corpse. shatter is 1 of em

[teal axle]

its 5 points per ascendancy node but if you have no points allocated in ascendancy, you can go back through the lab and reselect

so its expensive but doable

[tame mason]

and immortal call is "fixed" this time so wont die with porp spike after proccing cwdt + ic

[teal axle]

^ thank god

[balmy ravine]

Ahh finally

[teal axle]

thats the real sleeper OP of the patch is an indirect nerf to getting shotgunned by porcupines

[balmy ravine]

Porcupines are pure cancer

[alpine gyro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg2OJIlveR0&t=334s

[teal axle]

kind of depends on the build, anything that can shatter doesnt care

[balmy ravine]

Yeah I hated them with arc

[alpine gyro]

or shield charging in with storm brand

[balmy ravine]

I could not run maps with porcs in them unless I stayed wayyy too far

[alpine gyro]

if not for MoM and fortify i'd be dead every time

what is the exile rank

[balmy ravine]

$$$

[barren crescent]

#rules-and-info

[tame mason]

oh good boy roles

[nimble pond]

How comes theres such a imbalance between Life Leech support gem and the new energy leech support gem ? ll gem gets 10 % increased damage energy leech gem gets 63% MORE damage

[versed tulip]

the two more buffs cant coexist

[leaden wraith]

a main reason would be powercreep

[nimble pond]

okay even then it alternates from 24% to 39%

[tame mason]

ggg prefer meta shift than timeless balance to keep ppl coming back every temp league

[dusty cove]

es so mostly 24%

[leaden wraith]

i dont think its a case of preference

rather, they just dont have enough people working on so many things

[tame mason]

bloodrage will make es leech gem easy

[languid path]

be real lol no build would use the life leech support even if it has 30% more dmg

[leaden wraith]

^

[versed tulip]

they couldnt handle spells and atks, atk buffs will come

butt-- leech is dead

[leaden wraith]

rather than meta shifts, they just want to focus on specific aspects one at a time

better to have a good spell patch, than mediocre overall patch

that ends up changing nothing

[nimble pond]

this is bad philosophy

[tame mason]

their game not ur lol

[leaden wraith]

i personally prefer this

[tidal frost]

the power of 3 month dev cycles

[leaden wraith]

i rather balancing that shakes up some things

[tame mason]

go back to diablo 3 /grim dawn aand u will run right back

[leaden wraith]

rather than balancing that changes 2 numbers on each skill and nothing else

especially for a game like poe, where imo the fun is playing different playstyles

it sucks for people who only want to play 1 build and dont know how to be creativve to make it work i guess

[real ivy]

anyone know when they are going to add the new gems to PoB?

[dusty cove]

friday

[leaden wraith]

depends on the people working on it

[dusty cove]

or satterday i guess

since he lives in skippyland

[leaden wraith]

do remember that pob is an open source project

no one is obligated to work on it

[tame mason]

uh litearlly only the dev have the info to push any update lol

[leaden wraith]

also that

[tame mason]

so expect an update tmw

[leaden wraith]

i mean

Openarl alr mentioned that he'll wait until data from in game

on release

[languid path]

anyone can unpack the ggpk and update pob

[leaden wraith]

but otherwise ^

its an open source

[tame mason]

that's another day away tho

[leaden wraith]

anyone can do it right now

but no one is obligated to

[languid path]

sure and it's not like openarl is allowed to release data before ggg does

[leaden wraith]

implying openarl has info on said data

[tame mason]

he does though but since he work for ggg he is not allowed to release that data so

[languid path]

also ggpk is usually up for torrent 1 day before launch

[leaden wraith]

"he does" is just an assumption because he's contracted by ggg tho

[languid path]

not sure about this league cause there hasn't been any mention

[barren crescent]

It would be quite a task to update all spells and attacks in a single patch

especially when this is apparently a thing:
PoE Terms of Service: 7790 words

PoE 3.6 Patch Notes: 11858 words

[dusty cove]

since most of the ggg office playtest to some degree i would be super surpriced if he didnt

[leaden wraith]

i wont, considering playtest doesnt necessarily appear as final values

sure we have the lvl 20 revealed numbers, but doesnt necessarily talk about lvl 1-19

[midnight phoenix]

ok so if my build requires about 300 mana per second and im ci

whats the best way to sustain that mana if i dont want to waste my curse slot on warlord

[alpine gyro]

boot enchant

[languid path]

clarity+watcher eye

[native sonnet]

mind of the council if u have high crit/shock/hit rate is pretty good

clarity, maintain AS and rallying cry?

or vaal clarity + durations

[tame mason]

watcher eye gonna have more mods so more rng so dont count on it unless u got mirror currency xd

[bleak crypt]

does somebody know how many stages divine ire can have. the tooltip doesnt tell

[native sonnet]

20 i believe

[tame mason]

yea 20

look in ggg-tracker. dude answering whole of questions for new gem

[bleak crypt]

140-210 dmg with 1900% more multiplier. thats insane

[tame mason]

maybe

[midnight phoenix]

ty for suggestions ppl

i will look at those options

[last kite]

how does bane look as a main damage spell?

[limpid current]

very strong

even three curses is almost 150% more damage

[dusty cove]

disgustingly strong

[last kite]

profane bloom?

[dusty cove]

altho you might want another skill also to keep you entertained between the 10 secs per cast in a boss fight

[limpid current]

spamming soulrend between bane casts should be a decent option

[last kite]

is profane bloom or withering presence a better option for bane?

[limpid current]

id say bloom

[last kite]

in that case should i get malediction over void beacon?

[dusty cove]

i would

[last kite]

and should i go for 5 curse bane?

[dusty cove]

more than 3 seams excessive

[iron orchid]

bane doesn't spread like contagion ?

[last kite]

nope

[iron orchid]

welp

[last kite]

and contagion doesn't spread it

does a 4 link bane (3 curse) and 5/6 link soulrend sound good?

[tame mason]

i dont see why not

pob is not yet updated so we dont know for sure and until league start to get the feel of the skill

[last kite]

true

[limpid current]

soulrend will be bonkers for clear alone

you literally dont need to contagion/ed any more

just ed as a single target

[iron orchid]

why

[dusty cove]

procs off hits now

so not like when your phantoms get wreaked by boss your SoL

[limpid current]

with only a little investment it should be able to clear low reds

[last kite]

what should be the 3 best curses for bane?

[iron orchid]

you could put temportal chains maybe ?

temporal

[tame mason]

despair + temp

that's it

temp inc dot duration. despair lower chaos resist

[burnt finch]

So whats everyones take on the final gem stats?

[tame mason]

a lot of stuff look good

so u cant really go wrong with just anything

[dusty cove]

3rd curse can be whatever utility you need

[burnt finch]

No Spectral Shield Throw 2.0

[iron orchid]

essence worm + malevolence ? or nah

[limpid current]

you could just use a synthesised spirit shield instead

to cut short the malevolence reservation to free or almost free

[tame mason]

yes vestra

especially with trickster prolonged pain

[leaden wraith]

essence worm gives you + level tho

[tame mason]

1.2 * 1.2 = 1.44 more multiplier pog

gonna wait for datamine for that info

[limpid current]

level wont matter much in the case of malevolence though judging by the stats

at most it'll be a couple percent more

[leaden wraith]

fair point

malevolence looks so good

[tame mason]

yea that with trickster = get plenty of duration without getting the nodes on tree

[limpid current]

there are also the new skill enchants to look at

and the new watchers' and aul drops

[tame mason]

layered RNG so ill pass on those

[limpid current]

though i think the 40% ed enchant might still come out on top for headgear

[tame mason]

especially with that guy who farm uber lab to calculate hat enchant rng. it's very depressing

so someday they will fix that rng

because farming lab get more annoying every league with new crap in the pool

[limpid current]

let divine vessels store enchants

ez clap

[iron orchid]

:^)

[limpid current]

rng remains and now you can target farm/save money

that's the best compromise

[tame mason]

or offer 3 and pick from 1.. like veiled mod thing

[limpid current]

both would be even better

[modest harness]

unique NPC at the end of lab if you do both obstacles that sells 10 random stored enchants for random cardio coin denominations pls

[velvet palm]

Just letting us choose one of three enchants would be better

[lone parrot]

has PoB added the new skill gems?

[copper kernel]

nope

probably wont until after league starts

[lone parrot]

aw 😦 i was going to make a build for divine ire

to plan out

[midnight phoenix]

u can use lightning tendrils and not worry too much about the phys conversion

if u want to see basically what gear and tree works

[lone parrot]

i tried lightning tendrils

[midnight phoenix]

ur not gonna get anything better

[lone parrot]

i guess i can try it a bit more because i didnt rlly finish it

and i can put like (more dmg) on gears because of the beam and support etc.

[midnight phoenix]

the gems wont come in till after league starts

eh i mean getting the exact damage isnt really that meaningful unless ur trying to compare between a bunch of league starters

[lone parrot]

idk tbh

[midnight phoenix]

just assume bigger

[lone parrot]

yeah

definetly going inquisitor

[solemn tiger]

Now explodes on impact, applying the Essence Drain debuff to enemies in a small radius. This explosion deals no hit damage. As a result of this change, Essence Drain now has the Area gem type.
Does that mean that conc effect is now applicable?

And if it is, will it affect dot damage?

[languid path]

no, dot dmg is very specific in scaling

[solemn tiger]

Right, so as Blight then.

[zinc forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ay6m83/made_an_overview_of_all_the_skilltree_changes_in/ehym9mh/
https://i.imgur.com/BjHsx4X.jpg
Easy pic of the changes to the skill tree

[jade badger]

holy fuck bois

I just got on

I cant wait to see gem rework

[lime oyster]

someone know from which level will be soulrend? cant find that info

[jade badger]

wtf

bane

is 1000chaos dps

what the actual fuck

[languid path]

@lime oyster 28

[lime oyster]

thx

[jade badger]

And 10% increased effect

Fuck it, I'm redoing build boyo

[modest harness]

shhh don't hype it too much

[proper fulcrum]

Did herald of agony get nerfed? My impression is it was broken AF but I see nothing in patch notes

[copper kernel]

well if you cant see anything in the patch notes

[swift pagoda]

it got buffed via convocation

[frosty aurora]

wtf that new quiver has 1 second cooldown

quiver sounds great for the virulence sustain tho

herald of agony

oh you also can level 6 more gems if you going that strat, offhand in 2 setups

[strange glacier]

Any1 know if OPENARL is working on getting new / updated skills to PoB

[copper kernel]

probably not

we have no gem data

[strange glacier]

oh right, i figured 20/20 was all data but we ofcourse dont have other level's stats

[velvet palm]

He should have it tho

[copper kernel]

maybe he does literally have it

but doesnt mean he can use it

[stable axle]

I recall he mentioned it somewhere

[languid path]

it doesn't even have to be said out loud, that's pretty common sense

[stable axle]

Somewhere saying it wont be available until after patch

[languid path]

!link

don't mind me

[modest harness]

he probably has it but is either working on it or GGG told him not to do the thing yet

[ornate eagle]

Quick question: if I want to put soulrend in my setup for bossing and leech on boss and I link it with slow projectiles, will the projectiles hit multiple times or it simply refresh the dot (which from what I understand is every 200ms?). The reasoning behind of course is to optimize the es leech setup

[torpid sonnet]

It wont hit multiple times

[ornate eagle]

Thanks

[storm wadi]

patch is gonna start tommorow at 11pm ?

or earlier ?

[tender bobcat]

saturday in zealand.
1pm for mountain time on friday, noon pacific satndard time friday

[tender bobcat]

^

[wanton flower]

could essence drain be a good cwdt skill now in a chaos build for extra sustain?

[tender bobcat]

probably not. its sustain is not very significant

[wanton flower]

well, its very significant

with enough damage

[swift pagoda]

ye, building a generic chaos caster and trying everything out seems like the way to go

[wanton flower]

0.5% of all damage done with the dot is regenerated as life

and now its aoe

dont need to spread with contagion

[dusty cove]

Just play bane contagion ed clearly

[tender bobcat]

for that .5 to be worth any that one time splash would have to huge. it doesnt spread past the aoe explosion on hit without contagion still. And i guess if you play soulrend the proj and chaos scaling will benift ED the same but in a 2 link ED damage wont be all that great anyway

[wanton flower]

i mean, even if you have 200k dps dot

its still 1k regen a second

vs one mob

Not sure how hard it is building chaos damage (never done a chaos build)

[tender bobcat]

but will you get 200k dps with a 2 link and no +3 staff?

[swift pagoda]

200k is a shitton for a chaos dot

[wanton flower]

really? think i hit close to a million in a test build

given it was expensive af but yeah

[tender bobcat]

i dont think there is a realistic way to make the sustain worth it, as a CWDT. ED needs a 6L plus many extra levels to have that kind damage

[wanton flower]

maybe just as a main skill then xD

how does the regenerate work? does it stop the instant the target dies?

[tender bobcat]

it lasts as long as the debuff is active and the target is alive

[wanton flower]

Aight

[modest harness]

ED regen is based on tooltip damage

[tender bobcat]

yup

[wanton flower]

oh?

tooltip damage

so cant see real value in pob

[modest harness]

not how many monsters or damage received

[wanton flower]

how is Tooltip damage calculated

[modest harness]

by hand

[tender bobcat]

ED regen is taken from the tooltip and added per monster

[modest harness]

and some wrenches

[wanton flower]

so it ignores chaos resist etc?

[tender bobcat]

every monster with the debuff active gives .5%

[wanton flower]

increased rate of recovery should increase that i assume as well

[tender bobcat]

im not sure actually. for all ive played with ED the regen was never something i targeted.
soulrends numbers look so much more insane though

Aoe damage buffs wont affect the ED debuff will they

[modest harness]

Now explodes on impact, applying the Essence Drain debuff to enemies in a small radius. This explosion deals no hit damage. As a result of this change, Essence Drain now has the Area gem type.

believe watchu will

[midnight phoenix]

it does not affect the debuff

[wanton flower]

its only the debuff now tho

[tender bobcat]

so vauge but thats what i thought

[wanton flower]

unless it only damages one person max on initial hit

[tender bobcat]

the mob it hits with the proj still takes the damage

[midnight phoenix]

yes ofc

[tender bobcat]

the explosion only transfers the dot though

[midnight phoenix]

yes

[tender bobcat]

divine ire busted AF

[midnight phoenix]

idk about busted af

i think its the best new spell personally

[tender bobcat]

bane has incredible duration scaling, soulrend has a large base dot damage. But im curiours to see the ignite builds from divine ire. That more mult per stage is nuts

[violet nymph]

Any idea for purifying flame so far?

[tender bobcat]

inquis regen shenanigens

[wanton flower]

inquis regen is nerfed

by half almost if you are ES 😛

[violet nymph]

never touched spells before 😦

[wanton flower]

12% ES/second to 6% ES + 200/second

from ascendancies

[violet nymph]

every league I play slayer 😦

[tender bobcat]

try a spell this league. cx

that 200 es/s scales, but it still has synergy with purifying flame because aoe from consecrated ground

pizza sticks got a huge buff.

[wanton flower]

I'm going flickerstrike regardless

[dusty cove]

shame divine ire dosnt have phys tag 😦 would of been fun times with the channel support

[tender bobcat]

i dont think using a gem to do more conversion is a good idea

but fun memes with infused chanelling

bane 2 curse with soulrend/ED_Contagion looks to be high dps

[lyric ore]

how do you generate consecrated ground for inquisitor if you don't use purifying flame

because just divine ire looks good

but I feel you need to cwc it

[crisp dune]

u can get it while standing still and it lingers for 4 secs, zealotry aura has conc ground on hitting rare/unique enemy

then flask i guess, not sure what else

[lyric ore]

you really want it under everything

for the increased damage and crit chance

[radiant saddle]

new VP doesn't interact with GR at all, right?

[limpid gorge]

That base damage on purifying flame jeez

[copper kernel]

because thats the only reason people got to depths 6k

[radiant saddle]

if i have a skill linked to life leech and have allocated GR, Vaal Pact will not redouble my max (ES) leech rate, right?

[dusty cove]

i love have inquis is now freeze immune

[copper kernel]

ggg dont want people reaching that depth by abusing mechanics that LITERALLY prevents them from taking damage

and they most certainly wont anymore

Not like people did that

[pseudo sluice]

So I’m assuming for filters FracturedItem work just like ShaperItem / ElderItem in the fact that they are always rare and naturally unidentified? And SynthesizedItem is always a normal item but with the special implicit?

[tiny spear]

damm i was hoping for them to destroy storm brand, its mechanically too strong skill to not play as a league starter

[smoky yarrow]

lol why? Leveling is pretty much the worst part for the majority of people.

racing diversity?

They can just ban the skill

[delicate turret]

Conversion experts: how can you get divine ire to all fire damage without avatar of fire?

Preferably not skipping steps, as it’s for better harness the void damage

[rare crystal]

isn't there a wiki page for all sources of conversion and as extra?

[delicate turret]

Ye, it’s a bit hellish to scroll through on mobile, and it lacks a bunch of crafting options tho

I’m familiar with a fair bit of the options, but I probably missed some

[rare crystal]

it's not easy

that said, divine ire scales kinda only with added damage so... consider abyss stacking ^^'

[dusty cove]

divine ire scales just fine with ignite 😄

[nimble pond]

Hey i have a question since controlled destruction is bad earlygame with Elemental overload. Can i yust use infused channeling support ? it gives yust a more spell damage multiplier like controlled destruction or does it only work with channeling skills ?

[lyric ore]

only channelling

[rare crystal]

Divine ire is meh with ignites as is. It "only" hits for around 2400 when releasing at 20 stacks

but it has insane effectiveness of added damage on the beam hit (around 1500%), so you can really scale it to be obscene

but without flat stacking it doesn't beat flameblast

[violet nymph]

https://i.redd.it/0vg8a65qiok21.jpg

SRS nerfs undone?

[rare crystal]

srs was buffed

accuracy doubled

[modern nymph]

The accuracy doesnt so much tho

They shouldve tripled or more the accuracy if they wanted to do something -.-

Spiders are miles ahead of srs anyways in term of dmg and effectiveness

[unborn gulch]

Why was GC nerfed

[autumn snow]

@modern nymph doesn't do much?

what

[delicate turret]

GCnerf is so weird to me

[autumn snow]

why

[unborn gulch]

“We’re buffing selfcast”

Now either they’re morons or they’re lying

[autumn snow]

didn't they?

[unborn gulch]

How does lowering the damage of a skill that was obsolete outside coc or mines make it better for selfcast?

[autumn snow]

it wasn't

just weaker than mines

[unborn gulch]

Now it’s still weaker than mines

[autumn snow]

it's probably weaker true

should be a lot better with self cast tho

[junior talon]

is poet pen rip or no

[unborn gulch]

Very rip

[junior talon]

okay feelsbad

[runic wyvern]

Are the numbers on holy flame totem good enough to do some endgame with it?

[delicate turret]

Intensify isn’t enough to save selfcast GC

Given the nerf to damage probably offsets it

The skill will remain in the dumpster

Unless you’re mining it

[swift pagoda]

Heiro holy flame totem might be funky

you'd want to go crit with full conversion and a few statsticks probably

[haughty jewel]

would intensify AND conc on gc make the circles too small to shotgun?

[spark beacon]

No because Intensify has Increased aoe on it

So when you get Max stacks it's aoe neutral or close to it

[pine forge]

no

not even close

it has inc aoe but LESS aoe per stack

[haughty jewel]

its a 48% less multiplier

yea

[barren crescent]

But has there been reveal how many times intensify can stack?

[haughty jewel]

the good thing is less multipliers get worse as you use more

yea 4 stacks

3 is basically conc effect, 4 is better

[barren crescent]

so 4 times a 16% more multi..

NICE

[sinful yarrow]

I’d intensify the one while standing still?

[barren crescent]

yeah

[sinful yarrow]

Is*

[haughty jewel]

i wanted to try it with magma orb but i think i’d have to be standing still while the blobs go out

or i lose stacks before they hit

[barren crescent]

I feel like intensify only works for ground targeted skills

like Contagion, similar functionality as spell cascade

[haughty jewel]

yea need instant ground aoe

well contagion wouldnt work

[barren crescent]

Do you hear the thunder in the distance?

yeah contagion wouldn't get benefits from area dmg, but I just threw it as example of ground targeted aoe

[haughty jewel]

gc would be nice not sure whatbelse

[sinful yarrow]

The one new skill

That shoots the stuff on the ground

[haughty jewel]

the shockeave?

[barren crescent]

GC doesn't work with spell cascade at least

[haughty jewel]

hmm

[barren crescent]

GC is not a ground targeted aoe

[haughty jewel]

area the waves area damage though?

[barren crescent]

it's a series of aoes that launch from your char

[haughty jewel]

the initial hit would be for sure

[sinful yarrow]

I think it is

[barren crescent]

don't think it's a ground targeted aoe

but I might be wrong

[haughty jewel]

new skill?

[dusty lichen]

you talking about the 2nd new holy skil...purifying flame?? in the trailer he seemed to be 'aiming it' sometimes would hit far away, others closer to him

[sinful yarrow]

Year

[haughty jewel]

yea the shockwaves should be area damage right

[sinful yarrow]

Yes* that one

[dusty lichen]

yeah targeted area

[sinful yarrow]

That’s what I was thinking of

[haughty jewel]

if so thats pretty decent with intensify as well

[delicate turret]

I wonder if bladefall would be good with intensify

It did get a slight buff as well

[sinful yarrow]

+30% Power Strength

:))

[sinful yarrow]

But really it’s on of the new supports that gives fat damage if you don’t move

[haughty jewel]

64 more multiplier if you can stack it quick

which is the highest support gem in game i think

but its gonna be niche for sure

[sinful yarrow]

I don’t think so

[violet nymph]

63% more on fucking ES Leech Supp if on full ES

[haughty jewel]

39

[violet nymph]

39 while leeching + 24 on full ES

[sinful yarrow]

It will be solid for any aoe skill currently being used for bosses. But I guess that alone is a niche lol

[haughty jewel]

24 leeching, 39 capped

youre one or the other

leech removed at full es

[violet nymph]

Oh, you're right you can't do slayer bullshit with ES

[haughty jewel]

yea i mean you could do life leech and ghost reaver? maybe

[patent canyon]

you can

use blood rage

you will never be on full es

[haughty jewel]

no he means double dipping

to be leeching AND full es

[patent canyon]

ohh i see

[violet nymph]

Actually wouldn't blood rage work?

Doesn't it count as full ES as long as you are really close to full at all times?

[haughty jewel]

i think slayer + ghost reaver would just constabtky be converting your life leech to ES and then fall off because youre full es

[native sonnet]

No

[haughty jewel]

no itll calculate every instance of damage pretty sure

its a good way to stay leeching for sure

but i dont think you can double dip

“over es leech”

only thing that seems annoying about purifying flame is youd want to “sprinkler” your mouse to spread out the conc grounds i’d imagine

which seems tedious but maybe you just keep moving forward and let the waves backtrack to your old grounds

[proven wadi]

If you are inquis you'll get a ton of consecrated ground for freeeee

Also I gotta say, the crit changes are good

Assmark no longer garbage

[sinful yarrow]

I am just going to be playing trickster the rest of my life now

[full moth]

Hmm hybrid trickster viable?

[patent canyon]

y

[last river]

@full moth It may be the way to go with all this ES/evasion stuff

Theoretically you could probably skip MOM altogether, rely on int for scaling your ES with one or two clusters supplementary, wear ES/evasion bases in every slot, and get just as much benefit from those nodes as CI does

Maybe skip ES nodes altogether and even take acro

I'll be trying it out next league if I've got some chaos and regrets burning a hole in my stash tab

[full moth]

Hmm okay so the plan is to use perfect form but colouring it is going to be a pain

for Incinerate

[last river]

Oh that's clever

I hadn't considered perfect form

Actually

Can you get acro from anywhere except the node?

And skin of the lords

[full moth]

Even if you get acro its still 30% less ES. No bueno I think

[last river]

It'll be fine. Theoretically you only need as much ES as a ghost shroud can give you

Anything else is a waste

I wish the two bonuses were swapped though

+ES for every evasion on helm and +eva for every ES on body

tbh ES atziri's splendor may be the way to go

Something like 600 ES total, acceptable evasion

I should do this in pob instead of guessing

[delicate turret]

If they were swapped it would be much nicer for LL builds

Incinerate seems like it would be pretty neat with intensify and it got a little buff

[last river]

If you're playing ignite rn I don't think there are any skills you should be giving serious consideration to besides divine ire and fireball

Incinerate is and probably will always be pretty meh

Also a thought has struck me

For a hybrid trickster, why not use skin of the loyal/lords?

It functionally doubles both your ES and EVA if you aren't investing in them

[tidal ruin]

incinerate is pretty decent as a direct damage spell

esp cuz they're increasing the radius now

it was already pretty large

only downside is channelling but that's less of an issue than in past leagues

[last river]

Yeah the new channeling support is absolutely insane

[unborn gulch]

Wonder if Icestorm is worth selfcasting now

[last river]

Probably not

I mean what are you getting for selfcasting it?

[unborn gulch]

Not being stuck channeling

[last river]

Channeling is a pretty great place to be right now

Also wait

I thought it got a 25% more damage buff when it actually got a cast time buff

Then again +1 crit is 20% more damage, more or less

[unborn gulch]

Spell echo and some other shit should give it some oomph

[last river]

Didn't you just say you didn't want to be stuck in place?

[coral marlin]

guys what's the limit of intensify support

[unborn gulch]

With the whole running away from memory degradation channeling doesn’t strike me as the best of ideas

[last river]

It's limited by how long you can stand in place without dying

[unborn gulch]

Or faster casting w/e

[coral marlin]

really ?

that sounds broken

[last river]

I'm not actually sure though

It's possible that it basically fizzles out once you reach a certain amount of less aoe

[delicate turret]

It’s 4 stages

[last river]

Wait it is?

[delicate turret]

Yup

[last river]

Sounds pretty mediocre then

[coral marlin]

where did they said its 4 ?

[eager terrace]

rory answered that somewhere

[delicate turret]

The link has been posted a few times further up

I didn’t save it

[last river]

Infused channeling almost gives more damage than that thing does at 4 stages

Why would ggg release this

[surreal hemlock]

Does it actually go to 8?

[last river]

no I just can't read

[unborn gulch]

Whadya mean why would they release it

To divert attention from the uniques they fucked that would’ve been stronk in this league

[delicate turret]

I don’t think intensify is bad. It’s a ton of aoe for clearing and 64% more damage for bossing

It’s just a bit weird to use in practice

I imagine

[surreal hemlock]

I wish it didnt have the inc aoe lol

[last river]

@delicate turret Yeah but it's 64% damage if you stand still for like 2 seconds

Then again I guess so is infused channeling

[surreal hemlock]

And completely resets when you move

[haughty jewel]

would spell echo gives 2 intensify stacks

[surreal hemlock]

Yea

Or at least it should

[delicate turret]

Incinerate has .2 second cast time with no cast speed modifiers

You’re fully stacked in under 1 second

[surreal hemlock]

Yeah maybe you can abuse it with incinerate

[last river]

Oh shit you're right

[surreal hemlock]

Small incinerate though

With conc

[last river]

It could be great for channeling skills that have tiny cast times

[surreal hemlock]

Imagine the aoe

[haughty jewel]

cant support channleing

lol

thats hat infused is for

what*