you're taking up a ton of sockets for all this
#1┃mirage-league
teal axle
cedar pewter
Bane seems like a good single skill
mystic canopy
bane gives stupid more damage tho
cedar pewter
or just a way to apply curses
teal axle
2 or 3 link totem, 6link soul rend or ED, 4 link of the other
Auras, cast on damage takens, and curses everywhere else
mystic canopy
double curse is 100% more damage
mystic canopy
oh
midnight phoenix
Static blows is balanced by being in the middle of absolutely fucking nowhere
fiery cloak
its 50% increased effect of shock, 40% crit chance against shocked enemies and 30% inc damage against shocked enemies
teal axle
they literally just nerfed the blight threshhold for this reason
limpid current
yes the more damage is for bane only
midnight phoenix
Good cluster tho
fiery cloak
for 3 passive points
cedar pewter
Chest: SR, Swap: ED, CWDT - IC - Dura - whatever head, Bane - Curse - Curse - FC gloves and Totem on boots
You have room for bane
fiery cloak
5 assuming the 2 int nodes i need to get there
cedar pewter
Ring takes your aura
fiery cloak
still utterly broken
cedar pewter
You run 1 aura
fiery cloak
yea ggg just thought "hey lets give elementalist some more buffs, they need it"
teal axle
when you could run the new dot aura plus discipline and put despair in your codt
mystic canopy
yeah, bane's damage on its own is gonna be pitiful
cedar pewter
Bane on its own is solid
teal axle
they all have solid damage
mystic canopy
i mean yeah, but you're not gonna support it
cedar pewter
it's better than old ED
teal axle
you could easily run it as a 6 because there are supports worse than 47% more damage
even if its just applying 2-3 curses, you get 2 supports on top of that
mystic canopy
i wonder if bane would actually end up a better single target
would inc. aoe and smaller aoe gems affect its damage?
no right?
cedar pewter
What the fuck did they do to shadow's starting area
it's amazing now
Resourcefulness is such an amazing node
Life regen, max life, ES, Evasion lol
mystic canopy
what's the broken node that turns mana into ES?
cedar pewter
w/ res, life, es evasion around it
fiery cloak
arcane will
mystic canopy
is that shit as broken as it looks?
fiery cloak
i mean
its 4% of your mana as more eHP
if you play MoM
since youd take that node anyways afaik
midnight phoenix
Like
mystic canopy
plus the already big ES occultist gets
midnight phoenix
Hiero has 30 of that on its ascendancy and nobody is going OMG BUSTED
fiery cloak
about 10-15% prolly
cedar pewter
It's not THAT good
mystic canopy
it's not like broken, but it's a buff for occultist for sure
who didn't really need it
cedar pewter
With 300% increased, you end up with 1600 es w/ 10k mana. Which is good, for sure, but nobody stacks that much mana anymore
cedar pewter
It'll be a bump to guardian
fiery cloak
maybe occ too
cedar pewter
Why would occ stack mana though?
fiery cloak
im not taking any mana nodes and it gives me like 90 es soo
cedar pewter
at 2k mana, that's 80 base es
midnight phoenix
Like its not
cedar pewter
lol
spark lake
hmm running double 6links with unleash support 🤔
fiery cloak
(the new meta)
cedar pewter
i think unleash is being slept on
spark lake
just alternate em
cedar pewter
I think it's actually good
midnight phoenix
It isnt take ur total mana multiply by 0.04 then multiply by inc es
It is take ur BASE mana multiply by sum of inc es and inc mana
Which is a lot worse if ur stacking mana
cedar pewter
People are assuming you're just going to stand there and hold rightclick for all of eternity - and even in that case, unless you have a TON of cast speed(Like over 100%), it's still a 30-40% more multiplier
Wait, why would it take your base mana?
it says maximum mana
You saying it only takes(at level 100) your 646 mana?
because if so that's awful and confusing
midnight phoenix
Well no it takes the 646 mana
fiery cloak
it says maximum mana
midnight phoenix
Plus any flat mana
fiery cloak
openarl, a ggg employee programmed the pob patch
midnight phoenix
And then multiplies by the sum of (inc mana and inc es)
fiery cloak
and made it so that a % increase of mana also increases your ES
midnight phoenix
Thats what i meant
cedar pewter
Ahh, That's once again weird and confusing lol
fiery cloak
oohh right
midnight phoenix
Like the mana and es increases are additive with each other
Not like guardian
The guardian node mana and es increases are multiplicative
cedar pewter
Gotcha
short basin
any1 know where the updated onslaught support is?
cedar pewter
AGain, weird and confusing lol but makes sense
Man
occultist tree is too bloated
I want all of these nodes 😦
terse dagger
So now that the gems are out whats everyones thoughts on soulrend? gonna be good?
cedar pewter
Outstanding
fiery cloak
why that?
cedar pewter
Possibly busted
terse dagger
Anyone got a good tree lined up for it yet?
cedar pewter
take ED tree
limpid current
all you need is a basic ed tree
cedar pewter
use sr isntead
fiery cloak
oh nvm yea i usually want all of those nodes too
limpid current
nothing else
fiery cloak
tbh
stable axle
But personaly prefer ed "coverage"
fiery cloak
life based occ is a thing i kinda wanna try soon
cedar pewter
Voidbeacon is unreplaceable, I think. It's your first points for sure
terse dagger
Occultist?
stable axle
Ed contagion coverage
limpid current
gmp soulrend had good coverage tho
cedar pewter
yeah
limpid current
like really good
fiery cloak
like
cedar pewter
I WANT profane bloom, just because that's why I want to play occultist
pretty explosions WITHOUT breaking my chain
Not a prob if i have no chain to break lol
fiery cloak
Shimm/vb, forbidden power, bloom, void beacon, malediction
cedar pewter
and at that point, Malediction is just solid
limpid current
with even a little investment into your chaos caster, you should see much smoother clear compared to contagion/ed
idle wedge
we still don't know all the uniques from synthesia right?
limpid current
esp on higher maps
cedar pewter
So i have to drop something for vile bastion
limpid current
yes a lot of them are still unknown
idle wedge
alright~ @limpid current tyvm, they'll remain hidden till the game launches and we'll have to discover them??
fiery cloak
@cedar pewter so forbidden, bloom, void beacon, ?
idle wedge
well, they are probably gonna get datamined when the patch drops on steam maybe? Idk if dataminers do that on poe
fiery cloak
no power?
cedar pewter
I don't think it's worth it
limpid current
yes we'll have to find them ourselves
cedar pewter
If I really want power charges there are other ways to get them
limpid current
same for the cards
limpid current
datamining isnt possible until the torrent is out
fiery cloak
i just really wanna build a shimm/vb occ eventually
marble quest
poedb?
cedar pewter
yeah that
fiery cloak
and id have to go life bc shimm really doesnt like es
fiery cloak
drop beacon?
cedar pewter
-20 chaos res vs +1 curse, enemies deal -10% dmg, enemies take 10% inc dmg, +15% effect of curses
short basin
onslaught too broken so they didnt release gem info?
fiery cloak
despair?
cedar pewter
i thought that was just more dot dmg
midnight phoenix
No
terse dagger
I wanted to do something with Soulrend + Bane to apply 3 curses..
fiery cloak
Cursed enemies have -(20-29)% to Chaos Resistanc
cedar pewter
Any other ways?
fiery cloak
dont think so
actually
malediction gives + curse effect
meaning despair gets better
& since shaper curse resist got halved...
cedar pewter
So against shaper, w/ malediction, I'd have about -14% enemy chaos res w/ 40% inc curse effect. w/ beacon I'd have 32%... 97.9% dmg vs 107% dmg
short basin
wot happens if u get so much intensify and u have over 100% less aoe?
cedar pewter
is a curse worth giving up 9.3% dps
and making it very annoying to gear
caps at 4
What curse would you run? Temp chains? Enfeeble?
I think I'll do void beacon > profane bloom > (respec) Wicked Ward + Vile Bastion when I get an es set together or clear Uber Lab > Profane Bloom. 😄
dusty cove
i'd do temp, despair and enfeeble
dusty cove
what would you run instead?
dusty cove
unless your runing out of sockets i do not see why you have to pick
cedar pewter
Sockets are definitely tight
Chest - SR, Wep - ED, Head - CWDT, Feet - Aura - curse - blasphemy - enlighten, gloves - totem
dusty cove
you can run bane in a weapon swap
cedar pewter
That sounds like more work than it's worth in most scenarios lol
Also save lots of points on the tree to not do that 😄
Also also thinking of running movement skill on swap on one
and temp chains blasphemy on the shield
for clearing
swap and use despair on bosses
dusty cove
i'd just main with bane it looks strong enough on its own
mystic canopy
if you do play it as a staff
wouldn't that make it more worth it to go trickster?
or is occultist still just too good?
cedar pewter
after seeing these block nodes, I'm kinda pushing more towards shield
'cuz holy shit
they added in some nice shield nodes on top of hte tree
I haven't optimized it at all, just a first pass, but this is what I'm thinking about:
mystic canopy
link doesn't work for me
cedar pewter
yeah, comes out blank for me too, weird
sec
I really don't like the floating points on top and the thing south of shadow
dusty cove
the shield nodes are bonkers
"here have 40% increased spell dmg and +100% es from shield"
last river
So has anyone done the calculations for what damage looks like for divine ire?
Seeems a little underwhelming to me
dusty cove
looks fine if you slap on a stormfire
last river
Yeah that was my conclusion more or less too
Ignite divine ire is something an ignite fireball trickster is basically already kitted out for
I'll probabyly level a divine ire gem in offhand for it
dusty cove
yup and since its phys you can stat stick it too
lapis topaz
divinine ire does pretty good damage
last river
Statsticks don't help with ignite
lapis topaz
for nonailment remember you're hitting and building stacks at the same time
cedar pewter
I think this'll be my tree: https://pastebin.com/hDwgndKM
Aim for lv 90, profanebloom from uber izaro if I ever get it
In "okay" gear, 450 es chest, 250 es shield, etc. has 7500 es.
if I ever get my hands on shavs, can go LL
last river
tbh ever since a botched CI ED starter way back in 2.6 I've not even considered ES leaguestarts
Too risky
If you don't get enough early drops you just don't have a character
cedar pewter
It's 1500 es naked
It'll be fine
Just don't..ya'know
START es
Fossils also make it much easier to get ES gear
limpid current
you go life and respec
cedar pewter
The game showers you with dense fossils early on
last river
Nah I mean early money to buy ES gear with
cedar pewter
save em for later, craft a good es chest and shield
voila, you're good
Oh I'm SSF
cedar pewter
You play hybrid 'til you have a solid ES level
then swap
Usually around lv75
in SSF it's a bit easier to tell when - you swap when you have enough regrets lol
https://pastebin.com/1jz5JsU7 here you go, life version. 😃
tidal ruin
ive done a few occ ci starts
cedar pewter
12 respec points ezpz
tidal ruin
just swap at maps when I can get some gear
whole basalt
Crit EQ trypanon?
whole basalt
vaal eq
cedar pewter
Get to maps, go back to early delves, get about 20 dense fossils, snag a ilvl 65-75 shield(titanium if possible), a 65-75 chest(vaal regalia if you can wait that long)
and craft a 300-400es chest + 200 es shield
then you can swap comfortably
whole basalt
i did a full crit multi tryp build with flicker it was amazing
velvet fossil
i didnt really play delve, whats the best method for getting the fossils? What upgrades do u get with azurite and is that exploring around as you delve or just sticking on cart?
cedar pewter
Upgrade darkness res and dynamite carrying capacity
Go into rooms you have to break
buoyant quail
Is tempest shield instant yet? Gem description still has cast time. Looking at that OOS buff...
round niche
didnt they post that fossils wont start dropping a lot until around delve 60?
whole basalt
@buoyant quail its instant
buoyant quail
ok. They should update that tooltip
cedar pewter
I don't recall seeing that
but I haven't been keeping 100% up with every new detail
so it's possible
buoyant quail
But stormcall should be pretty cool
velvet fossil
they mentioned fossils are less frequent before depth 59
round niche
yeah thats what i saw
cedar pewter
Ah, less frequent and not dropping at all are very different
Depends how rare they are
round niche
well, i said "wont drop a lot"
buoyant quail
Seems interesting. Don't like the duration scaling + overwrite
cedar pewter
Well either way, go to the areas where dense fossils drop
snag a ton of em
and get to crafting 😄
buoyant quail
scaling cast speed for closeup damage but duration for clear
it's weird
Seems like a good utility
pliant heath
yea .50 base duration for the clear seems weak as f imo
buoyant quail
for the exposure
yes agreed
If using exposure you could use inc. duration
I guess it's sort of a clear gem - like gem swapping
pliant heath
the exposure is .5? the way the gem is worded, the wave is base duratoin, exposure is base secondary duration
pliant heath
ah
yea was hoping to play it as main skill, but .5 is just way to low imo for it rip
pliant heath
nope
buoyant quail
Oh wait
silver kettle
the wave speed changes with duration and AoE apparently
pliant heath
oh if u can speed it up might be good then
buoyant quail
Basically aoe scaling works, it will always get to the end of the AoE in the specified duration
but at the same time more duration increases the range...
kinda weird
tame mason
guys... es leech gem + blood rage = dank
lapis topaz
Not really
pliant heath
yea would be easy way to get the 39%
tame mason
the point is to always leech to proc the gem
lapis topaz
Every time you reach full es you lose all your instances of leech
It's a thing but it is not perma 39%
pliant heath
how long does it take to proc an instance of leech with dmg?
buoyant quail
1 instance is 1 hit
pliant heath
it would work but would be kinda janky in terms of true dps
dusty cove
idk the es leech gem is more of eb build thing tbh
pliant heath
unleash could be cool for spells clear speed for certain spells
dont think its worth single target wise
tame mason
my issue is none of those 3 charges support gem actually explain what it do
dusty cove
its great for single target where you have run around a lot
buoyant quail
Right. Feels pretty good for uber elder
tame mason
oaky so intensify is build up for faster casting skills in place.. unleash is wait and cast kind of deal?
buoyant quail
So you can just hit then recharge
pliant heath
basically unleash charges up every 2.1 sec to 3 stacks, then repeats
dusty cove
intensify is the ultimate clearing skill
tame mason
yea blight look really stupid strong now with whole lot of inc aoe soujrces
dusty cove
you gain aoe when you need and more dmg when you can stand around and pound something
buoyant quail
Not sure about intensify with blight. Clear would be awkward if you don't kill on the first tick
Better with slower bigger hits
dusty cove
dosnt work with channel
buoyant quail
Oh right
violet nymph
Intensify GC sounds insane
tame mason
yea blight only can use infused channelling support
brisk gust
anyone know what max intensity stacks is?
tame mason
yea andw hat is the stat on unleash gem seal ?
dusty cove
4
sly tusk
has there been anything said about the scaling of the 15% more spell damage?
on zealotry aura
brisk gust
15% more even at level 20 20% qual
sly tusk
sure, but is it 15% at level 1?
sly tusk
unleash comes out on average to about 1 extra cast worth of damage per second
tidal ruin
that unleash is a boss killer
tame mason
spell echo with extra steps? lol
tidal ruin
that makes sense
deep wave
league starts tomorrow?
brisk gust
dodge attacks for a bit, wait for opening then unleash
tame mason
so work great on high on hit skills then
sly tusk
you want slow casting spells, not fast ones
buoyant quail
Would be pretty fun with firestorm
tame mason
oh right
eager terrace
@deep wave just under 2 days
sly tusk
you get 1 extra spell of 74% effectiveness every .71 seconds
1 extra spell every .71 seconds is 1.408 casts per second.
1.408 casts per second at 74% effectiveness is 1.04 casts worth of damage per second
buoyant quail
hmm
sly tusk
thats worst case you sitting there spamming a spell on a boss, it gets better when you're moving around
sly tusk
no, its still 1 extra cast worth of damage per second
buoyant quail
oh ok
lapis topaz
so stormburst is pretty bonkers damage
buoyant quail
I feel like stormburst will still suffer from the standing around waiting for balls to move issue
sly tusk
so, if you normally do 2 casts per second, i.e. you have a .5 second cast time, you'd be doing 3 casts per second, a 50% more damage increase
lapis topaz
the base damage is enough to compensate for that pretty well I think
it's up to 4 hits at 25% damage each with a base cast time of .22 seconds
(25% added damage)
sly tusk
you're casting more than that, but effective damage wise is how much you're doing
midnight phoenix
I mean unleash is really bad if you intend to facetank
midnight phoenix
For pretty much any spell with a realistic amount of cast speed
Its probably pretty good for high mobility bossing
And a 74 more multi for clear
midnight phoenix
Thats pretty legit imo
sly tusk
I don't think most people end up face tanking end game bosses, so its gonna be great for most people
lapis topaz
how specifically is it dumb
eager terrace
there are builds where you are going to have the while leech effect essentially 100% and it isn't even ES focused builds
like why
lapis topaz
getting it essentially 100% is MUCH harder than it sounds
sly tusk
nah sarmhan, just go EB
eager terrace
exactly
minor jungle
what spell can I use unleash, intensify and spell echo at same time for meme value
lapis topaz
even then you've got a 39% more multiplier, yay.
eager terrace
like EB MOM needs to be stronger?
ah yes only 39% more from support that grants leech
minor jungle
actually how does unleash and spell echo interact
sly tusk
well, if you're going EB MOM, its basically just "mana leech" at that point
eager terrace
with free 39% more dmg
minor jungle
tsk
leaden wraith
i mean
sly tusk
does the gem require spells?
midnight phoenix
Idk why ppl are saying the es leech gem grants es leech like its relevant
leaden wraith
you can play an attack build, use bloodrage, and have like 20 es on gear
and you'll always be leeching es
while bloodrage is up
midnight phoenix
So u need the tree nodes that make it not 10% cap
But now i have es leech from the nodes
So i dont need it from the gem
lapis topaz
ok now you've got a 39% more multiplier, fantastic?
sly tusk
ah, yeah, they should change it to "spells" only, then its just a 39% more multi, which to be fair there are quite a few of
and most spell builds don't need mana leech in the first place
leaden wraith
EB MoM is just a nice way to take advantage of easier scaling, 100% mana reservation and having reasonable ehp
and having 39% more damage
lapis topaz
eb mom is very strong yes, but energy leech isn't needed to make it work at all
leaden wraith
no its not, but 39% more is still pretty neat
And consider this, you dont actually have to scale es super hard on eb mom
so you can put points else where
midnight phoenix
A lot of spell builds definitely do have mana problems
brisk gust
most more damage supports dont give ~39% more damage without a drawback
leaden wraith
a lot of builds dont need this, but they'd want this
midnight phoenix
Ice nova in particular but anything non channeling has the occasional issue if ur not mom
brisk gust
this one only has a plus side
lapis topaz
this one has a drawback, it's not up all the time
leaden wraith
it is if you're playing EB
eager terrace
except when it is
brisk gust
24% more damage is still pretty good
lapis topaz
sure
rigid needle
do we have any clue yet when the new skills unlock during the campaign
lapis topaz
it's not a BAD gem, but it's not a 'must take' either
lapis topaz
Purifying fire is level 1, divine ire level 28, new storm burst level 12
buoyant quail
I feel like just EB without MoM is also reasonable for mana sustain + 100% reservation.
quartz dome
fun fact: the new shield cluster above shadow lets a gladiator reaching for it get 65% block with aegis and anvil
buoyant quail
With energy leech
rigid needle
EB = ?
leaden wraith
eldritch battery
your es protects mana
so you use ES to cast spells
hence you'er always not full es
lapis topaz
Devouring diadem still exists
leaden wraith
and if you ahve the es leech gem
lapis topaz
as well
leaden wraith
you're always leeching because your spells hit something and you leech
so as long as your manacost is relevant, you'll always be leeching for whenever it matters
the only time you're not leeching is when you are 1 shotting mobs, in which the extra more dmg from leeching doesnt matter cause you're already 1 shotting things
rigid needle
a little bummer i couldn't find level of bane and soulrend in the reveal. part of me wants to try new and unknown and part of me wants to play it safe with start
native osprey
level of, you mean what level they're available at?
isn't that in the patch notes where they're gem rewards
rigid needle
correct level available
violet nymph
So, do I start with SR CwC Firestorm, Flameblast or Blight CwC DarkPact?
eager terrace
you get bane after killing piety
native osprey
Bane is now available for the Scion, Witch and Shadow after completing Lost in Love.
Soulrend is now available for the Scion, Witch and Shadow after completing Sever the Right Hand. aka 28
eager terrace
soulrend is after gravicius
rigid needle
Perfect, thank you so much
violet nymph
Can't decide between those threee :x
native osprey
violet nymph
I assume SR CwC Firestorm or Flameblast would be better starters then BlightPact for obvious reasons
eager terrace
oh it's killing piety the first time at tolman
last river
Pizza totems aren't amazing anymore
Arc totems are probably still your best bet for leveling
modest berry
What's Discord's opinion on how Arc builds will turn out? Enki and LiftingNerdBro seem to think it will still be great, but everyone else seems to think it's nerfed to being obsolete
haughty jewel
its fine
modest berry
I hope so. I just bought that red lightning effect.
buoyant quail
It might struggle a little if there's a couple of stragglers
that are far appart
But should be able to nuke packs just fine
tidal frost
50 range. was too big.
kindred dagger
Im cool with range reduced for arc maybe half is a litlle too much but we have to test to see how much it clear, i think it should be stil way fine
tidal frost
still chains, just wont jump giant gaps
kindred dagger
Yeah exaclty
It wont clear things like 3 screen far aways in the end its nearly even better for not weird clear too far
balmy ravine
I felt the build was weak at killing anything but adds so the range was justified IMO... you either get capped res and do average damage, or you go full glass cannon with arc
modest berry
As a casual player, I wish there weren't these big changes every season. Haha, I tried to dust off the fun fire totem build I used back in 2.4 (haven't played since then) before realizing things had changed so much.
balmy ravine
It doesn't really matter if you start over every season. Standard is pretty much just a build testing league...
It keeps the game fresh
modest berry
Yeah, I can respect that aspect. Damn fun game
tidal frost
standard is "which temp stash are my gems in" and testing
modest berry
Yep, same here. My favorite POE builds are just reliving my favorite builds from D2. Trap Assassin, minion Necromancer
tame mason
shaper subfix on bow. busted for soulrend?
tidal frost
DoT isnt a projectile
leaden wraith
is the on hit high
balmy ravine
on hit is like 1/20 of the total dmg
tidal frost
if you dont want to scale the dot pick a different projectile skill
balmy ravine
if you build correctly
tidal frost
just compare it to like, fireball damage
tame mason
Spreading Rot no longer causes enemies Hindered by Blight to take increased Chaos Damage, and instead now causes Blight to inflict Withered on enemies for 2 seconds per copy of Spreading Rot.
blight totem + jewel? instead of withering totem?
wary stratus
sounds horrible
why would you want to give up jewel sockets for a melee range wither totem
tame mason
single target and inc aoe is easier to get
wary stratus
you're literally losing damage by doing that
tame mason
withering totem by itself only apply debuff. blight now can apply wither effect and deal dps on top
this is a 3 gem setup not 6 lol
wary stratus
ok, but unless your blight totems are like 6 linked
you're losing damage from your main skill by giving up a jewel
wary stratus
a 3 link blight totem is going to do basically zero damage dude
you literally get more DPS out of 1 jewel
for your main 6L
not to mention blight is way worse at stacking wither, because it's slower casting and melee range
tame mason
uh chaos skills in general dont need jewel to help with dps
after grtabbing just all of dot and chaos node
wary stratus
every skill benefits significantly from jewels, you just aren't optimizing properly if you think a 3L blight totem is going to provide more dps
just as an example, you can get +4% Non-Ailment Chaos Damage over Time Multiplier on a jewel
plus 3 other stats
tame mason
i already get 52% dot multi
wary stratus
a 3L blight totem will do like 5K dps
wary stratus
and 7.7% is a fucking ton
from 1 jewel affix
like for my soulrend build, +4% Non-Ailment Chaos Damage over Time Multiplier is +2.4% dps, which is 18K dps
tame mason
u cant go all dps and have no defense lol so that's why my 3 jewels slot gonna have flat life/mana/all resist and chaos resist
wary stratus
that's literally triple what a 3L blight totem can do
and it's ONE affix on a jewel
tame mason
im looking into using soulrend for clear and combine bane+ ed with decay + and blight/wither totem for hard single target
wary stratus
I'm definitely not going "all dps" either
tame mason
since all 3 dot stack so yea
wary stratus
build has 12.5K es and 781K soulrend dot
just use wither totem, spreading rot is a waste of time unless you're actually casting blight yourself in a 6L/7L
tame mason
lol 12k es. that's on the far end there
wary stratus
most of it is from cerberus limb + aegis aurora + skin of the loyal + heretic's veil
525% total increased ES
tame mason
interesting
imma go big on hybrid for trickster. 4k hp and 4k es with capped chaos resist and mom. along with 50% total spell dodge from escape artist and perfect form. cap with vaal grace.
violet nymph
does inquisitor's elemental ailment immunity from his pious path ascendancy node apply from holy flame totem's consecrated ground?
wary stratus
it should I think
it will also affect the totem, so the totem can't be frozen/shocked/ignited
granite inlet
Is there anything in 3.6 to benefit caustic arrow? lol
Feels bad when your main skill isn't even mentioned for the mana buffs
wary stratus
CA was already buffed recently, it's not going to get buffed every patch lol
granite inlet
seemed barely viable last season though
wary stratus
I forget exactly how much it was buffed, but it was improved a huge amount in 3.4.0/delve
somewhere around doubled the dps
granite inlet
I just get worried when I see chaos damage stuff added and then it doesn't interact with CA
wary stratus
actually they did buff it this league wtf
you just missed it lol, malevolence works for CA
20% more damage and 19% duration
granite inlet
awesome
wary stratus
and if you're using despair, your boss DPS will be higher too
since the penalty vs shaper/etc went from 80% to 66%, mostly to increase the power of offensive curses
south blaze
Just put them to comparison by level, big oof on the changes to VRF
the level 20 will be an equivalent in bonus to a level 9 now
grave valve
so soulrend's dot won't scale with projectile damage?
tame mason
Now explodes on impact, applying the Essence Drain debuff to enemies in a small radius. This explosion deals no hit damage. As a result of this change, Essence Drain now has the Area gem type.
eager charm
it actually would scale if you use conc effect
tame mason
???
eager charm
?
eager charm
it has the area gem tag as of friday and would scale the DoT
midnight phoenix
No
eager charm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tame mason
reading is hard
midnight phoenix
Area damage doesnt scale dots unless the dot is associated with an area
Like caustic arrow
This was part of the dot changes for 3.0
eager terrace
doesn't the area hit apply the dot
midnight phoenix
It does
Thats not enough
The tldr is that an area dot is only affected by area damage if its a ground aoe that u can walk out of
midnight turtle
Anybody have the exact time synthesis releases?
restive anvil
DoT is funkt
leaden wraith
@midnight turtle pathofexile.com
midnight phoenix
If its an aoe that applies a debuff u dont get anything
eager charm
I don't understand what 3.0 has to do with anything
tame mason
@midnight turtle it's on the website already adjusted to ur timezone
eager charm
if you're referring to double dipping removal, it's not, as the explosion hit itself isnt dealing damage
midnight phoenix
3.0 changed the way that these things work
In addition to the double dip removal
Here let me dig up the post
Its the second last paragraph in the news post
Their example is blight
But its the same shit
eager terrace
ahhh
yeah I get it now
so you get an area tag to get inc aoe for application
but you will not benefit from area damage
midnight phoenix
Ye u got it
eager charm
"any Damage over Time applied by a hit was previously considered Area Damage if the hit that applied it was considered such. "
eager terrace
basically if it applies a DoT directly to a target you can't get area damage
midnight phoenix
Yes
eager terrace
only area effect
violet nymph
Winter orb nerfs change nothing, right?
eager charm
right
hushed flame
The skill is mechanically still good
eager charm
some would argue it was buffed
violet nymph
👌
How was it buffed?
hushed flame
Less dmg but it's still fine to start
dusk stratus
yo so what is the delve nerf they did?
indigo lake
Is Molten Strike and Frozen Blade combo still plyable?
eager terrace
probably that neanderthal infused channel gem
hushed flame
Sulphite scarabs give much less sulphite @dusk stratus
At least now though we should "almost always" get 3 sulphite nodes
dusk stratus
gotcha cheers
eager charm
have to do your own research, but I'll give you a hint, check the new gems @violet nymph
violet nymph
Ok. And is my math right for the winter orb that the base damage is only like 11% nerf?
eager charm
something like that, yea
midnight phoenix
Someone put a neat little chart on reddit for base dmg changes across skills
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/axvzqi/analysis_of_buffsnerfs_to_spells_in_36_wgoogle/
But apparently worb isnt on it lol
brave pulsar
it's just a %change chart, doesn't account for dmg effectiveness changes etc
violet nymph
I appreciate the link still!
midnight phoenix
Ofc
violet nymph
I'm trying to decide between cold dot occultist, winter orb stuff, or hoag stuff
The patch notes didn't make it easy
elfin saffron
Ouch... According to that chart, Storm Brand is going to hurt.
eager charm
^
cedar pewter
It wasn't the greatest boss skill. And now it'll suck at that. It'll still be both speedrunners go-to and one of the better map clearers
you'll just suck at bosses
elfin saffron
Well that's good because I am planning on starting the league with Enki's Arc Witch.
cedar pewter
Soo ya'know, don't boss with it
viral wharf
so for soulrend/ed use blight still as filler while dots tick right?
cedar pewter
SR is the filler
viral wharf
ah ok
lunar stirrup
Guys ... CI now 90% chaos resist?
teal axle
yes
eager terrace
yes, you will now always die when taking chaos damage
teal axle
100% intended change
lunar stirrup
w0t
tame mason
read what CI does
violet nymph
ssssh,
eager terrace
being serious those changes have no impact on CI
violet nymph
CI doesn't even give chaos res
violet nymph
Should just change it so it says "Immune"
tidal frost
Its just there for LORE
tame mason
Chaos Inoculation (often referred to as CI) is a keystone passive skill that grants immunity to chaos damage, but sets maximum life to 1. poe wiki op
eager terrace
the reason people get confused is that you spec CI
and your char sheet shows your chaos res as 100
so they assume you are immune because it sets your chaos res to 100
tame mason
funny enough that's how it work in other arpg for resistance / immunity purpose but poe have a lot of special condinitions and confusions
eager terrace
yeah and CI doesn't really set your chaos res to 100
it's just a visual thing they thought would be communicative
tame mason
been waiting for a QoL league that clean up all annoyances with this game
eager terrace
unfortunately it results in confusion whenever they fuck with resists like this
prisma epoch
poe is not really an RPG, is CasterOnlyRPG
wary stratus
honestly no matter what they did people would be confused
lunar stirrup
but when taking CI my character stat show 100% chaos resist
wary stratus
there's just too many mechanics in this game, people get mental fatigue and just go ??? over the most simple stuff imaginable
tame mason
yup because they cant explain it simple enough lol. u seen the ggg tracker? so many questions for new skills that they introduce new crap but cant bother to explain what it does at all zzz
eager terrace
that's why it is even more important to not do stuff like this imo
game is complex enough when it is as precise as possible
wary stratus
the vast majority of the time, whenever you have a question about this game
it already has an extremely precise answer
tame mason
game is unplayable with out poe wiki and pob. period.
wary stratus
it's only when GGG introduces new stuff that it's actually legitimately confusing
spark quartz
honestly the 100% res thing for CI is probably because the field is "numerical" in the database. otherwise they would replace it with the word "immune" or N/A or something
wary stratus
but most people don't know how to search for existing information on PoE
so they just go ??????? and get lost
tame mason
definition of a normie tbh
wary stratus
like the 100% chaos resistance CI thing
was literally explained years ago
but nobody remembers, so it keeps coming up lol
eager terrace
I just feel like this is an outlier
tame mason
more like no1 is capable of googling first so they just ask instead
eager terrace
the game is showing you a stat change it is not making
spark quartz
#playerinteraction
wary stratus
there's also the problem of straight up wrong information getting spread by people that don't actually source their info from GGG
like the nonsense about winter orb having a fixed firing rate
spark quartz
"there's also the problem of straight up wrong information getting spread by people that don't actually source their info"
Sounds like a problem most of the world is having tbh 😄
wary stratus
hahaha yep
people more concerned with seeming like an authority on the topic rather than actually being right about something
spark quartz
poe is awesome because everyone thinks they are right... until they're not
guilty until proven innocent
it's awesome lol
wary stratus
also if you haven't seen the winter orb 1680% cast speed video you should watch it
it's great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VSXHyy6GvE
spark quartz
yeah i knew that cast speed affected the rate of spit long ago lol
its so easily testable
i didn't trust the dumbasses stating it had no effect
wary stratus
"what if they're all lying!?"
spark quartz
it's poe... they're always lying
mainly so their favorite build doesn't get nerfed haha
self preservation + room for misinformation = POE paradise
wary stratus
I love whichever dev decided to buff kingmaker btw
and give it free fortify
literally gave my build 20% damage reduction
getting fortify was impossible
eager terrace
does it affect you?
eager terrace
ahhh
spark quartz
you know it's bad when atziri's disfavors are going for 30 chaos lol
spark quartz
i'm trying to figure out if it is worth taking leech stuff for soul rend on CI. i feel like energy leech is better for EB setups
can't get my head around it
wary stratus
soul rend does almost zero leech
it's just the hit, and the hit is like 1% of your damage
spark quartz
well the spell itself has leech on it lol
tame mason
leech is on hit only not hte dot
tame mason
dot cant leech. period.
spark quartz
the hit can
wary stratus
the 4% leech on soulrend is just there for flavor I think
it's not going to be noticable
spark quartz
what flavor would that be lol
wary stratus
well it's like essence drain sorta
tame mason
same with ED life regen on hit. wasteful filler
wary stratus
ED gives life regen
spark quartz
booty flavor
wary stratus
it's not filler, it does scale with your damage
essence drain gave a lot of regen with indigon
cedar pewter
ED's life regen in some builds hit numbers that leech could only DREAM of
wary stratus
but soulrend leech is gonna be like, maybe a few hundred ES per cast tops
spark quartz
i have 2 trees right now for soul rend.. one with leech and one without
spark quartz
but leech seems so useless unless i'm using it for mana
spark quartz
but leech is now based on leech instances. If each rend that goes out and hits 5 enemies that 5 x a couple of hundred es
cedar pewter
If damage is ~10,000 per hit, that's 400 per mob it hits
cedar pewter
That's 1200 es per mob hit
wary stratus
it's not a terrible amount of healing, but it's still gonna be small due to how leech works
tame mason
ghost dance restore flat es instanstly on hit. so scale EV and gg get over 500 es on tap x 3 in a row
spark quartz
that's why i'm thinking it's strong... but then i'm playing occultist with nutso regen... when will i actually be leeching? like 1% of the time
seems gimmicky af
or for life based casters that use EB
where it would be really strong
cedar pewter
Hybrid is where it'd be strong imo
life based w/ eb actually sounds pretty solid though
wary stratus
I came up with a life based EB build
that is actually prob gonna have monster single target dps
spark quartz
the other thing that fucks me is that soulrend has 0.8 cast speed like wtf is that
wary stratus
I don't plan on playing it myself though, at least not early on
cedar pewter
Just pick up some cast speed
spark quartz
yeah i already am picking up projectile speed
the distance of the soul rend is also directly affected by AOE and Duration scaling (per Rory)
wary stratus
incinerate + infused barrier with flame surge + unleash in an elder helmet, inquisitor with life + eb + mom
cedar pewter
I'm taking nimble, atrophy and arcane swiftness
wary stratus
flame surge does BIG numbers
cedar pewter
Flame surge ALWAYS had big numbers
spark quartz
Iks you playing soul rend occultist?
wary stratus
alternating incinerate and flame surge on bosses
tame mason
try cwc blight with SR on occulist
spark quartz
yeah i was debating nimbleness
cedar pewter
spark quartz
i have the other two but felt like the crit would go to waste
cedar pewter
here's the tree I'm looking at
12% faster casting, 4% move speed
Seems worth to me
spark quartz
interesting. my tree gets me 90k damage at 94 with no items
cedar pewter
I'm just using essence drain for making the tree
spark quartz
but i'm pathing towards spiritual aid
and end up with around 8k es
with mediocre gear
10k es with gg gear
that's not including malevolence
cedar pewter
I never found spiritual aid to be worth it
cedar pewter
It's worth it if you're naked
but when you account for the ~200% spell damage you're going to get from gear or so
spark quartz
well because implicits are not over ridden, it makes bone helmets really nice + helm enchant
tame mason
essence worm + malevolence is a no brainer for my hybrid trickster
cedar pewter
It's much less good
tame mason
stack with prolonged pain so 40% more dmg
wary stratus
more damage does not add together
cedar pewter
I'm going for the shield nodes
wary stratus
it's 1.2 * 1.2 = 1.44 if you're looking at malevolence (20%) and prolonged pain (20%)
cedar pewter
they're so good.
tame mason
yea that 's what i mean. more stat stack with other same more stat and yea multiply
wary stratus
also malevolence is scaled by aura effect, so it's higher than 20% in practice unless you get none of those nodes
it's around 28% for my occultist build
cedar pewter
100% increased ES from shield in 3 nodes? 10% block in 3 nodes? Everything that is the arcane swiftness cluster?
shield nodes seem soo good
and it lets my tree be dense af
tame mason
hybrid
wary stratus
arcane swiftness is pretty solid
as long as you're putting the cast speed to good use anyway
wary stratus
soulrend doesn't really need cast speed
spark quartz
i dunno lol
cedar pewter
Everything needs cast speed while clearing
spark quartz
0.8 cast rate is terrible
cedar pewter
Faster you cast, faster you kill, faster you can move on
tame mason
not when u get all the chaos and dot nodes.. u just stack proj speed and cast once and go to next pack
cedar pewter
SR's boss damage seems amazing
tame mason
and there is unleash support gem too. so im curious to see how that goes
wary stratus
not trying to get cast speed either
spark quartz
how'd you reduce .8 to .4 without taking faster casting in your linkds?
wary stratus
it's just using essence drain's current cast speed so it's a bit off
and I changed the damage numbers on ED to soulrend manually
but ED with 57% cast speed goes from 0.75 to 0.47
cedar pewter
27% cast speed naked with my tree
wary stratus
I have gear on mine
cedar pewter
Toss in soulwrest and you're sitting at 57% ez
wary stratus
you get 20% from cerberus limb alone
cedar pewter
or whatever you want
wary stratus
I'm glad I played soulwrest before it became expensive
violet nymph
rain of arrows + CoC Unearth Slayer. thoughts?
wary stratus
using unearth for damage sounds so bad to me
unless the redesign was like, god tier
unearth is awful lol
violet nymph
didnt it get like a 35% damage increase?
wary stratus
I wouldn't want to use unearth even if it got 150% more damage tbh
violet nymph
what would be a good physical damage spell to substitute for unearth?
wary stratus
bladefall got buffed a fair bit didn't it
wary stratus
bladefall is great mechanically IMO for triggers like cast on crit
cedar pewter
or can it only hit once?
grave valve
how do you edit your skill gems?
wary stratus
love skills that rain aoe from the sky
grave valve
unearth got a dps increase, projectiles fly faster, and aoe damage
so aoe scales it too
wary stratus
I edited essence drain at C:\ProgramData\Path of Building\Data\3_0\Skills\act_int.lua to turn it into soulrend
it's not super straightforward to do though
wary stratus
if you're just curious on the numbers
Essence Drain (with 3.5 Vaal RF, no spreading rot, max wither) => Soulrend (with 3.6 Vaal RF, max wither, and malevolence) is around 97% more dot DPS
teal axle
its a projectile that moves and deals damage only while in contact with the enemy, I thought
teal axle
so when its not in contact its doing no damage
wary stratus
that's not quite correct
languid path
no it applies a dot that does dmg
wary stratus
soulrend applies its DOT to everything in an AOE as it travels, every 200ms
grave valve
the duration of the debuff is 0.4s
tame mason
ED + contagion until a3. easy
wary stratus
the duration of the debuff, with temporal chains, potency of will, and efficacy is around 0.86 seconds vs shaper
and it's a fair bit longer vs non-bosses
teal axle
do you have a PoB I can gander at? Im going to be starting late this league so i want to gather my options @wary stratus
havent played chaos dot since breach ED trickster
tame mason
blight + cwc + soulrend = ???
grave valve
@wary stratus hey i saw you on the forums
weren't you the one who thought reducing dot duration increased dot dps?
tidal ruin
actually fug does chain work with unearth
tidal ruin
what if you get rid of it with snakepit?
wary stratus
no, I was the one explaining how it actually worked
tidal ruin
lemme test this
wary stratus
somebody else just read the names wrong and started talking to me instead of the correct person
grave valve
then it detonates
oh
anyway
i'm in the lua file but there's a lot of numbers that are unfamiliar
i don't see anywhere where i can just simply swap out the damage...
tame mason
easier to wait for pob update dude
wary stratus
that say 33.333334078391
ivory nimbus
I don't know that 100% DoT uptime on SR is that realistic for bosses
grave valve
yes
wary stratus
replace those with 71.5761879674 and you'll have the Soulrend numbers (plus 20% more for malevolence estimation)
grave valve
you'll swap slower proj for bossing, @ivory nimbus
wary stratus
55.918896849 would be without malevolence
wary stratus
also keep in mind Vaal RF was nerfed from 39% to 28% at level 20
spark quartz
yeah i think i'm going to drop leech from my ci soulrend setup. I feel like its a trap lol
i can focust more on cast speed and shit
make it more smooth to play
tame mason
uh u dont need leech if ure ci occulist
wary stratus
I can just send you my pob if you want fallaway
spark quartz
yeah exactly
spark quartz
yeah es leech
tame mason
just slap on xirgirl crank and go blight cwc + soulrend and face tank all the thingsl ol
tame mason
yeah that require farming uber lab for crank
spark quartz
its not too bad lol i farmed uber elder last league and got a decent es on hit watchers eye
ssf not so bad. i might farm it
tame mason
a lot more div cards now
spark quartz
oh yeah
tame mason
so in a sense it's more farmable for SSF
tame mason
wait til we see sythesis in action. prob more silliness
spark quartz
so it's really nice now
only issue with ssf is that getting 100 is a damn chore lol
no rotas
tame mason
eh hitting lvl 90 is good enough
tidal ruin
yeaaaaaaa