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[cedar pewter]

If it works with chain it works with fork

[uncut vortex]

What does chain do for lightning trap

[cedar pewter]

It..chains

I'm confused by the question

[restive anvil]

Chain as a mechanic just means it pierces and turns basically?

[uncut vortex]

Do you have to link chain and pierce

Or will it just shoot a ball out to a nearby

[restive anvil]

Chain would mean it hits target a and then targets someone else

pierce just keeps going in a line after hitting target 1

[uncut vortex]

So chain = free ball

[cedar pewter]

So if you have two mobs side by side

and you hit one with a projectile that chains

It'll do this:

[eager terrace]

I have used lightning trap with fork

[cedar pewter]

o  -  o
  \```

[restive anvil]

^ good picture, it can change directions or "bounce" to form a chain

piercing doesn't work like that, it's the main difference

also the order of operations

[cedar pewter]

Piericng > Fork > Chain iirc

[eager terrace]

I don't recommend chain for lightning trap

unless you have unexpected amounts of proj speed

[cedar pewter]

I don't recommend lightning trap, but primarily because I didn't know it existed 5 minutes ago

[eager terrace]

it's actually really strong

easy uber elder build imo

[cedar pewter]

Uber elder with traps?

[restive anvil]

I mean as far as traps go it's like

fair

[cedar pewter]

That sounds scary

[restive anvil]

but it is in fact, trap-level strong

[cedar pewter]

Unless you're doing insane levels of damage, I'm not sure I'd want to give up leech

[crude mango]

Traps are insane lvls so

[restive anvil]

you are doing insane levels of damage at a point

[eager terrace]

between tinkerskin and pyromaniac leech isn't a big deal

[cedar pewter]

tinkerskin..tinkerskin

Didn't some streamer bitch about htat item for an entire season?

[restive anvil]

you get 40% regen then tinker gives like 100 flat recovery per trap trigger

[cedar pewter]

Recover 100 Life when your Trap is triggered by an Enemy oh

That's pretty sexy

[uncut vortex]

What do you mean by bitching

[restive anvil]

did they nerf it? what

[eager terrace]

it got changed to be per trap

[uncut vortex]

I dont think tinkerskin got nerfed

[eager terrace]

it didn't work that way originally

[restive anvil]

Is that wording correct?

[eager terrace]

it is now

[restive anvil]

Isn't triggering your own traps still giving you tinker?

[eager terrace]

no

[restive anvil]

wutttt

[cedar pewter]

Only time I ever played trapper was with the 0duration traps

That was...something

[restive anvil]

how tf do peeople use it with chain reaction

[eager terrace]

I think it still counts with chain reaction because an enemy triggered the first trap

[uncut vortex]

@eager terrace Is it worth to use fork on lightning trap or is pierce support better

[cedar pewter]

I also played with in my cod build

[eager terrace]

seriously though you may want to try lightning trap again

[cedar pewter]

Cod - Trap - Minion damage - Raise Spectre - Conc effect - I don't remember lol

[eager terrace]

I feel like people don't know about it lol

[uncut vortex]

Lightning trap op

[restive anvil]

A lot of people have only ever used VLT for shock and never tried actual LT

(me included)

[cedar pewter]

I literally don't know about it

[eager terrace]

also I recommend pierce personally but I may mess with fork again now that it goes up to +9%

[cedar pewter]

VLT for shock back in the day

but that's 'bout it

[tame mason]

so u can get 8% inc aoe per power charge from occulist forbidden power and new node enigmatic reach. so with 6 charges that's 48% inc aoe....

[restive anvil]

Back in the day?

[cedar pewter]

SPORK almost 130% DPS BUFF

LES GO

[restive anvil]

Like 5 leagues ago fam it's not like this was 1.2

[crude mango]

Ice trap

[tame mason]

wtf is spork

[cedar pewter]

Spark + fork

[restive anvil]

^

[eager terrace]

the nice thing about a build like that is you can just swap traps too

if you wanna do like ice trap it's just gem swaps

[cedar pewter]

SPORKEN SPODERS LES GO

[tame mason]

oh okay. yea fork support is buffed big time so spark fork should be good. just need hella lot of proj speed

[cedar pewter]

Spark got INSANE buffs

[uncut vortex]

But the 9% fork inc dmg comes late game

[cedar pewter]

It's definitely the winner of the patch notes

the base gem itself got like an 84% dps buff

[restive anvil]

ED too

ED honestly might be the winner imo

[tame mason]

it is. self cast look good

[cedar pewter]

ED got decent buffs but

[tame mason]

https://i.redd.it/dd8tm6m7dkk21.jpg hmm

[restive anvil]

Mana cost reductions, big dps buffs

[cedar pewter]

The hell

[restive anvil]

I haven't played it since beefore Vaal blight anyway
so pretty pumped

[cedar pewter]

Why would they make this

Trigger socketed bow skill when you attack

Hmm

[tame mason]

poet pen but for bow attack lol

[cedar pewter]

Frenzy?

Toxic rain for hoag?

[restive anvil]

barrage

no internal cd

pls

[eager terrace]

I'm considering messing with ice trap instead

[cedar pewter]

250ms like all otehrs prolly

[eager terrace]

but it doesn't hit like 2 screens like lightning trap does

[cedar pewter]

Barrage + barrage

[restive anvil]

I like

[tame mason]

3 barrages LUL

[restive anvil]

EHit x LA

[cedar pewter]

lolehit

[restive anvil]

Just shock and fireboi

[cedar pewter]

Blastrain x4

[restive anvil]

somehow skipping conversion

[cedar pewter]

because fuck your fps

[violet nymph]

yeah, ice trap radius is still not that good

but it's definitely usable

to a large extent

[eager terrace]

maybe better for delve

[violet nymph]

yeah

[uncut vortex]

What are your guys' thought on iceshot?

[patent canyon]

its cool

especially with new hatred

[uncut vortex]

Better for end game now?

[patent canyon]

yh

[tame mason]

waiting for malevolence gem stat so see if it's worth using on essence worm ring orn ot

it's 50% reserve

[wanton flower]

that new quiver oof

[uncut vortex]

new poet pen

[tame mason]

depend on cooldown

[lyric ore]

1 second

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ay42ff/midnight_tinkering_begets_midday_murdering/ehy2yir

[tame mason]

It has a one second cooldown which sounds slow but the item is crazy. lol

[cedar pewter]

Scourge arrow?

[modern nymph]

It looks pretty neat

Not sure what id do with it tho

[sonic sage]

Based on patch notes, what looks to be the best starter to scale into a lategame boss killer?

[violet nymph]

storm brand is still good to start with

and then you can respec into something else later

if you really want to go fast

[normal kraken]

I think whispering ice will be a great boss killer starter

[modern nymph]

Im going chaos trickster to start tbh

[cedar pewter]

SPARK

[vagrant aspen]

Good luck with getting a single answer on that.

[normal kraken]

with ES leech and the new laser support gem

[tame mason]

im going ed trickster. u can stack with soulrend,bane,blight,wither, etc so it's nice

[cedar pewter]

Storm brand wasn't a good killer before the nerfs

[mystic canopy]

soulrend and ed stack?

[cedar pewter]

the hell makes you think it's going to be a good bosskiller now?

[tame mason]

seperate dot

[limpid current]

yes it was mentioned as such

[cedar pewter]

That's the one thing it was mediocre with before lol

[pale verge]

stormbrand was fine for map bossing all the way up to t15

[mystic canopy]

soulrend + ed + all the other things that stack

god damn

[limpid current]

decay support is too good to not use

[mystic canopy]

here i was thinking "hmm should i play soulrend or ED" when the answer was just both

[limpid current]

in this case

[cedar pewter]

When I think "Late-game boss killer" I definitely don't think of storm brand

[tame mason]

we all know there are 2 build. league starter to farm currency for boss killer lol

[limpid current]

mind you, a 4l essence drain was enough to kill the shaper in around eight minutes with subpar gear

[pale verge]

armageddon brand was fine in that regard though, my build just swapped them around

[mystic canopy]

8 minutes

[violet nymph]

yeah arma was decent for bossing

[cedar pewter]

Holy shit 8 minutes lol

[violet nymph]

not now tho hehehe

[modern nymph]

Caustic arrow scales insanely well tbh

[limpid current]

that was two entire leagues ago

as well

[cedar pewter]

If you're trade league, the good 'ol Summoner (spectre + skele) is outstanding.

[violet nymph]

solar guards are nice too

[cedar pewter]

SSF i wouldn't suggest it, though.

[tame mason]

hmmm put mirror arrow in that new quiver to bypass cooldown hmm

[mystic canopy]

what about ED and soulrend on the same 6l?

so they're both 5ls

[pale verge]

anyone played around with fire traps recently? im thinking on picking them up for league start farmer

[silver kettle]

SSF I'd suggest swapping the spectres for zombies and you're good

[modern nymph]

But zombies are sooo slow

[limpid current]

idk why you wouldnt just use 2 6ls or pseudo 6l soulrend on elder items

[ember lodge]

With new chain/fork solar guards are going to be fairly delightful, particularly with new Convocation 😃

[cedar pewter]

Summoner NEEDS the jewel to speed clear. Without it it's very subpar

[limpid current]

or you could pseudo 5l it in an elder wand

[cedar pewter]

If you can get unending hunger, though, I've argued before summoners are one of the fastest clear speed pre-HH builds.

and skeles are AMAZING boss damage, especially before real gear 😄

[limpid current]

the advantage of pseudo 5l soulrend is that you can then throw in a rare spirit shield on top of the existing ridiculous defenses an occultist can get

[cedar pewter]

Though that was before the shield charge nerf. Not sure where they fit now. I'm sure QOTF stuffs is all significantly better than summoners

[sonic sage]

Summoner is definitely something I'm interested in, are there any particular builds or guides I should look up? I've tried doing research into it before and Iv'e gotten lost in the spectres vs skeletons vs zombies thing

[wanton flower]

oof 1s cooldown on quiver

[cedar pewter]

Run spectres + skeles if you're in trade league

[wanton flower]

thats still good

[cedar pewter]

and Skeles + zombies in ssf

[sonic sage]

Right yeah trade league, sorry shoulda specified

[cedar pewter]

Pick up a 5L femur of the saints, throw it in your swap - put vaal skeles + normal links. This will make you delete all bosses that aren't shaper or elder lol

Just make sure to swap while clearing to get charges

Snag unending hunger or two and the tree is pretty lax on where you have to go.

You can just skip out on doing uber lab for as long as you want - or just forever. You don't really need it lol

your last points all kinda suck since the commander nerf.

[sonic sage]

That sounds doable, I'm gonna do some more reading on that. Thank you!

[cedar pewter]

Good luck! 😄

Just remember, don't skip unending hunger. It literally makes spectres clearspeed good.

Without it, you're going to be fairly slow. 😃

[teal axle]

am I going to go bow just for the new bow

[cedar pewter]

SPORK SPORK SPORK SPORK

[teal axle]

slap in a GMP Frenzy with [some kind of support]

seems good

[tame mason]

what if u can bypass mirror/blink cd with that quiver?

[restive anvil]

but how

[teal axle]

you cant

automatic triggers have a separate cooldown independant of the gems

[tranquil mulch]

2h furthur into the dumpster

[tame mason]

puncture>? for bleed apply? idk. there arent any bow buff so imma not do bow this league

[cedar pewter]

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Category:Bow_(gem_tag)

[rare crystal]

fk ggg

[cedar pewter]

lol

OH

I found a use for the quiver

Ranged Attack totem lol

[rare crystal]

mirragShame you can't put a mirage archer curse on hit setup here

[cedar pewter]

RAT Barrage Wither

Or just barrage wither poison for HOAG builds

[rare crystal]

Barrage cast on crit frostbolt in there, to play INSANE cast on crit ice nova in main links

[cedar pewter]

Huh...

If they're on seperate cooldowns

You could do something like BArrage - Barrage - Poison

[restive anvil]

Cant trigger chain if that's what you're saying

[cedar pewter]

Ice Arrow - Bonechill - ...does anyting increase chill effect?

[rare crystal]

or just frenzy, culling strike andd Pcoc

after all...

[cedar pewter]

Oh yeah, this could just be used as a culling thing

Would you wear an item like that that just says "enemies have 10% less max hp"?

I think it's good enough just for that lol

[marble quest]

i mean ppl use cull items just to have cull so

[lyric ore]

are the gems gonna come out same time as patch notes did?

[eager terrace]

probably?

nothing's been said

[lyric ore]

stupid time zones

[livid lake]

anytime from now till about 4 hours from now

[marble quest]

probably within 2 hours, hopefully

[tranquil mulch]

Im suprised occultist didnt get touched

Speaking of which hope thetes a wi build

[silver kettle]

There's definitely a wi build

Probably quite a few of them

[spark lake]

divine ire waiting room

[velvet needle]

I posted before about the viability of PP arc/warp this next league, but does the poets pen nerf really do much if you casted the socketed spells using barrage since it alternates between both for each projectile from barrage?

[spark lake]

hard to say for sure. we'll have to try it

idk if there is any clarification from ggg

[velvet needle]

Yeah, I was hoping to run it again this league since I started really late for our current league. I guess I could always see how it feels once my current character gets moved to standard

[spark lake]

yeah for sure do that

I've always been using barrage for the lgoh. got frenzy through other means anyway 😄

[languid trout]

holy moley... is that new quiver as good as it looks or am I too noob to see why it might not be?

[royal gale]

well, the starting point with triggers is always to first question the CD

then once you know that, you question the use case

[stone onyx]

1 second

[royal gale]

yes

so what bow skill would you find useful to use on a 1 second CD trigger

its probably not a damage skill

[stone onyx]

It's being overhyped I think

not actually as good as it looks

[languid trout]

1s is bad compared to, say CoC, but good compared to normal "trigger socketed gems on hit" crafted. Also it's 3 more slots regardless of CD...

[rain cedar]

It doesnt look that great tbh

[royal gale]

bow builds are not typically strapped for slots

[tawny pasture]

like someone said Frenzy Culling Pcoc could be nice in

[royal gale]

the one argument potentially would be abyss stacking bow builds

yeah frenzy curse on hit or otherwise seems the most likely candidate

[rain cedar]

Split arrow coh

[languid trout]

Fortify without using a move skill on PF?

[rain cedar]

?

[rugged locust]

it's a 3 link quiver, right?

[languid trout]

just thinking of good things you could use a 1s CD trigger for on a bow build

[copper kernel]

1s cd on BOW skills

[rugged locust]

sounds like a crappy curse on hit setup or something

[copper kernel]

not any skill

[rugged locust]

or iir cull

innervate cull?

[languid trout]

right but put a bow skill and Cast on Hit and Fortify or something?

dunno, I'm new here, I'm just spitballing

😄

[copper kernel]

there is no way triggering a bow skill will result in fortify

[limpid current]

bowet's pen let's go

[languid trout]

a triggered bow skill can't trigger a trigger support gem?

[tidal frost]

counter attacks work with cast on crit

[royal gale]

fortify is not for bow skills

[languid trout]

oh I see what the problem is

I was confusing it in my head with immortal call

MB, thx for the clarification

[tawny pasture]

culling bis :3

[tidal frost]

culling inervate or something.

next level: just use the 3 sockets and dont trigger with it

[languid trout]

that's what I was saying... even without the trigger, it's 3 extra sockets

but @royal gale suggested that isn't as handy as it looks

[royal gale]

i dont think its terrible, all i mentioned is that bow builds aren't typically strapped for sockets so +3 isn't too much of a bonus

with the exception of abyss stacking builds

which tend to decimate their sockets

but then you would definitely want a higher damage quiver i think anyways

i think it really just depends how available it is

i think i would use it in some cases

[tidal frost]

its a horrible stat stick with a unique utility.

so you really have to abuse the utility for it to be worth

[copper kernel]

theres nothing useful to do with it

[violet nymph]

also with most bow builds, do you reeeeally need that extra trigger?

[lucid stone]

What if there was a staff unique that was the opposite of a tabula rasa (not grey spire) that had 6 abyssal sockets but no stats?

[tidal frost]

in a trash can somewhere

[tidal ruin]

@rare crystal more efficient to just get the es nodes I think

than having energy from within there

[normal kraken]

if you go for a pure phys bow build, it ca be used to reliably apply bleed and use bloodlust on main skill

[faint ravine]

But then you are playing a pure phys bow build

That sounds attrocious in its own right

[grizzled raven]

It's mainly useful for curse on hit

[rare crystal]

I like getting both :p

[tidal frost]

TIME

thats alot o gems

[limpid current]

pog here comes the gems

ok bane is good

base 1060 dot with 47% more per curse applied

[languid trout]

0.4s soulrend dot?

2k base? holy cow

[cedar pewter]

Okay

what the fuck is that soulrend damage

[limpid current]

448-672 on hit

[languid trout]

seems like ED is dead after that?

[limpid current]

not high but also not low

[languid trout]

or just for extra single target

[limpid current]

ed isnt dead, both the dots stack

[cedar pewter]

Except base duration of .4 seconds

It's basically not a dot lol

[violet nymph]

wtf is bane base dmg 😄

[limpid current]

you can essentially use it as a spammable

soulrend i mean

[cedar pewter]

holup

Bane is insane

[lyric ore]

zealotry is a bit disappointing

[spark lake]

ire looking nice

[violet nymph]

yeah

1k dmage

[limpid current]

i was hoping for more spell damage

[cedar pewter]

Jeesus

[limpid current]

[cedar pewter]

Bane is fucking crazy

It's not instant though

[limpid current]

but malevolence is strictly a straight up buff

[violet nymph]

doesn't matter

[median nebula]

Zealotry reserves 50% fucking mana? eesh

[violet nymph]

it has more curse effect as well

incresed I mean

[cedar pewter]

that mana cost too

I was expecting it to go up in cost w/ every curse

[spark lake]

bane duration :/

[cedar pewter]

increased duration per curse

duration's fine

[spark lake]

ah yeah mb

ur right

47% more per curse does thats just additive right

[cedar pewter]

MORE

[limpid current]

even on bog standard tricurse that's nearly ~150% more damage

[spark lake]

yeah but

47+ 47

[icy lake]

loool the numbers on soul rend

[uncut vortex]

Hmm frostbolt looking very nice

[spark lake]

1.47 * 1.47

[cedar pewter]

1.47*1.47

[icy lake]

and we thought ED got buffed

[spark lake]

how do you know @cedar pewter

[violet nymph]

well I guess I'm playing occultist again

[cedar pewter]

Honestly don't, just assuming and aserting my assumptions as fact in the hopes that they are.

[spark lake]

hope so too

[steel dagger]

how many intensity charges can you have?

[kindred dagger]

now skills are out i think you are pretty sad about unleash for SRS, doesnt sound good, anyway really curious about this gem, the effect feels interesting

[limpid current]

the best strategy for chaos dot now is to throw your ED, then spam soulrend for all it's worth

[spark lake]

significantly weaker if its additive but ye

[cedar pewter]

Yup!

lol soulrend can crit

[spark lake]

im going divine ire 😃 confirmed

[cedar pewter]

Malevolance is crazy good too

20% more and 19% increased skille ffect

soulrend will end up with like..1s duration

[steel dagger]

how many intensity charges can you have?

[buoyant quail]

Until your skill disappears

around 8

[tidal frost]

12% less area per

[buoyant quail]

with 96% less area

[cedar pewter]

Gain a seal every .71s...hm

I'm not sure unleash is good

[buoyant quail]

unless it's multiplying

[cedar pewter]

Well maybe it's good

I'm not sure

[limpid current]

occultist bossing should be nice as of this update thanks to the silly potential numbers

[tidal frost]

its really good .... if you didnt cast it in the last .71 seconds

[uncut vortex]

What did they change for phase run?

[magic blade]

Anyone got comments on Divine Ire? i dunno what i'm reading lOL

[eager terrace]

it's a railgun

[spark lake]

so the beam will do

20 times the base

on 20 stages

it scales ignite damage too with the damage with ailments thing

so maybe stormfire

[eager terrace]

will you actually wanna map with it? I dunno

[spark lake]

yeah

if it doesnt work ill just swap

gonna be trickster or inquisitor anyway

[cedar pewter]

140-210 dmg. You deal less while channeling then 100% more per stage.

[spark lake]

u can play anything

[wary stratus]

does this intensify support have no cap or something?

[cedar pewter]

when releasing

[tidal frost]

its a less AoE mod, you eventaully have no AoE

[lyric ore]

divine ire cwc purifying flame it is

[cedar pewter]

There's no way they let that happen lol

Unless it can go to 0 area?

[spark lake]

cwc is so weird for divine ire

ur destroying ur c harge regen unless ur on bosses

[icy lake]

... wtf energy leech support

[cedar pewter]

Channel divine ire for 20 seconds before shaper, pop shaper and instantly deal a billion damage lol

yeah uhh...energy leech support is insane

[spring relic]

so uhm, isn't wave of conviction kinda crazy?

[icy lake]

i wonder tho, it is all damage

[cedar pewter]

Return if CI?

[spark lake]

wtf

24 + 39 LMAO

I guess if you overleech

[buoyant quail]

seems pretty good. 6% crit

[spark lake]

can you do that?

[icy lake]

but dot skills are specific to spell damage

[spark lake]

its great regardless

[cedar pewter]

You can't overleech

[eager terrace]

doesn't ES overleech by default

[icy lake]

no

[magic blade]

WHAT THE FUCK ENERGY LEECH LMAO

[cedar pewter]

But still

24% more is insane

[magic blade]

39% more LMAO

[cedar pewter]

for free

and 39% when you take damage

like wtf lol

[tidal frost]

"free"

[icy lake]

that support with channeled skills

[vapid jackal]

Infused channeling

[cedar pewter]

What?

Why channeling?

[vapid jackal]

Super fucking OP

[icy lake]

because you are gona tank hits while channeling

[cedar pewter]

IT's just "Supported skills deal 24% more damage while on full es"

[last river]

Wow the numbers on soulrend are insane

[cedar pewter]

and 39% more when leeching

Yeah, soul rend numbers really shocked me

[spark lake]

49% on infused channeling not bad

[last river]

I guess it's technically not as fast as ed but the projectiles home in and always pierce

[cedar pewter]

ED also requires you to cast Contagion

And run really dense maps

and not play occultist

[faint ravine]

Is intensify as insane against non-moving bosses with firestorm/icestorm? 😮

[tidal frost]

also remember that 2k damage per second is 800 damage on soulrend.

[faint ravine]

96% less aoe means every single drop hits

[cedar pewter]

How'd you come to that conclusion?

What kinda soulrend build will have literally 0 duration on the tree lol

[rugged falcon]

wow, there's a life leech support gem?

[cedar pewter]

Yup, still sucks tho

[rugged falcon]

I literally didnt know that existed

[eager terrace]

lol compare life leech support to energy leech support

[cedar pewter]

CI League boiz

[last river]

If openarl gets pob updated I'm trying divine ire ignite for sure

[rugged falcon]

yeahhh

[eager terrace]

better hope for new melee gems in 3.7

[rugged falcon]

es leech gem is pretty damn good

[cedar pewter]

Energy LEech might just legit be somethign you slot into Soulrend regardless if you're ES or not

[eager terrace]

because they seem to want to go ham with new gems

[rugged falcon]

true, you could use it on life chars regardless

[last river]

@violet nymph you'll need to damage yourself a ton

[rugged falcon]

its strong

[tidal frost]

if your at full ES there are better gems than 24%

[last river]

But a scolds miner or the like would love it

[violet nymph]

no because you get bonus on full life as well

[cedar pewter]

There aren't though

Essence drain doesn't have a good 6th link

soulrend won't either

[limpid current]

there's also an es leech wheel that adds more on top of that

[wary minnow]

soulrend will fill that link with GMP prolly

[icy lake]

i do wonder if es leech support will work for the dots on ED or soulrend when those are specified to spell damage

[faint ravine]

Didn't ED gain a good 6th link by gaining the AoE-Tag this league?

[rugged falcon]

I'm seriously wondering why they decided to add both an increased damage and more damage multipliers to es leech gem

[cedar pewter]

Nope 😦

[limpid current]

leech is for hits only

[wary minnow]

my soulrend links for now are Soulrend, GMP, Void, Swift, Efficacy, Controlled Destruction

[cedar pewter]

Conc effect is more AREA Damage

Dots still aren't area damage

[icy lake]

conc effect don't work for your dots

[wary minnow]

I don't know if empower is gonna be worth

[faint ravine]

Mh, sadness

[cedar pewter]

I'm thinking Soulrend - GMP/Void - Swift - Efficacy - Cont D - Empower

[autumn snow]

unleash is super sad

[cedar pewter]

or energy leech

[autumn snow]

3 seals, less dmg

0.71s to recharge each seal

what is this shit

[rugged falcon]

definitely ES leech gem on soulrend

[wary minnow]

I'm hesitant to use swift now that the duration is already so low but it probably doesn't matter

[cedar pewter]

Unleash MIGHT be good, I wouldn't write it off yet

[wary minnow]

I would consider using empower at high levels but for now I won't have a good empower anyways so 🤷

[spark lake]

@autumn snow EZ play unleash with skills that have 20 second cast times

[autumn snow]

it doesn't look good tho

[tidal frost]

oh wait does soulrend reapply?

[spark lake]

idk what an average cast speed is for a build yeah

[wary minnow]

it seems like it might be like ball lightning kinda

[cedar pewter]

It's 74% more damage every .71 seconds.

[wary minnow]

where like it applies it periodically

[autumn snow]

they said these two new support gems would be "crazy" and they indeed are

CRAZY BAD

[wary minnow]

but we got energy leech :^]

that oone is crazy

[cedar pewter]

If you cast around once per .35s, it's 37% more damage

[rugged falcon]

wtf do you use unleash for

it sounds terrible

[cedar pewter]

SPORK

[timid mango]

the infused channelling gem only gives the 10% more to damage type right, not gem type

[cedar pewter]

Unleash Spork

[spark lake]

@cedar pewter aye

[autumn snow]

it's stupid

[cedar pewter]

You don't cast spark very often when clearing

[spark lake]

I think unleash will be fine if you don't have busted cast time

[cedar pewter]

Yeah

[spark lake]

also think it will be good for clearing regardless

ur moving so much

[cedar pewter]

If you have around .35s cast time or slower, it's very powerful

[autumn snow]

the less dmg makes no sense

[cedar pewter]

and on any boss that matters it's very good

[spark lake]

yeah

[cedar pewter]

Minotaur and Hydra come to mind

Lots of moving

[green wasp]

bane is gamebreaking

immortal builds incoming

[violet nymph]

That quiver tho

[cedar pewter]

immortal?

[green wasp]

heard it here first

[cedar pewter]

Explain how? lol

[tidal frost]

unleash works on summons yeah?

[spark lake]

quiver is cool 😃 like utility trigger

[eager terrace]

ES leech gem seems so ridiculous

[cedar pewter]

unleash SRS les go

Unleash Skeles holy shit

summon the entire crew in 1 go

[rugged falcon]

I mean bane seems cool, but I dont see how its gamebreaking

or immortal

[autumn snow]

it's bad if the less dmg is applied @tidal frost

[buoyant quail]

I've done the math on intensify - If you hit 8 times in a row - it's an average of a 56% multiplier

[cedar pewter]

Bane's power is going to depend on how "47% more damage per curse applied" works.

[buoyant quail]

You can hit a 9th time but it's 96% less area

[rugged falcon]

I mean

[cedar pewter]

Is 3 curses 217% more damage or is it 141% more damage

[tidal frost]

141

see arc

[cedar pewter]

I'm hoping you're wrong

[rugged falcon]

should just be additive

[cedar pewter]

but we've seen this wording before

and I think you're right

[buoyant quail]

Then it's a 64% average for 9 hits

more

[tidal frost]

you can get the average up if you somehow keep it up around 6-7 and juggle it there

[faint ravine]

i think intensify is mostly for skills that double-dip with the decreased area

[rugged falcon]

+47% per curse I guess

[pliant heath]

bane is insane lmao

[faint ravine]

aka firestorm

[rugged falcon]

should still be strong tho no?

[limpid current]

i wonder what the soulrend and bane helmet enhancements will be like?

[faint ravine]

intensify firestorm on bosses that move very little seems preeeeeetty good

[tidal frost]

oh dear. all of firestorm in a 4% area

[faint ravine]

yep

[tidal frost]

will rounding shit on it though

[cedar pewter]

lol

[rugged falcon]

I wanna try bane and soulrend

[lucid stone]

Firestorm woo

[rugged falcon]

def soulrend occult

[faint ravine]

however.....they move an inch, you hit nothing anymore

xD

[zealous hearth]

will area damage increases boost damage of bane?

[rugged falcon]

should do

[tidal frost]

I assume there might be some dumb rounding down to 0 area way before 8 stacks

[cedar pewter]

It's a dot..so i don't think so

[rugged falcon]

its an AoE so

[cedar pewter]

but i dunno

[rugged falcon]

wait

[buoyant quail]

OH no there's a cap of 4 on intensify

[rugged falcon]

do DoTs not get increased area dmg?

[buoyant quail]

Sad

[tidal frost]

rip

[rugged falcon]

I'd imagine they should

[zealous hearth]

yeah it specifically says that spell damage boosts do as most dot spells have as a rider

makes me think AoE won't then

[grizzled ore]

The Immortal God Inquis Firestorm 20k es will be back

[faint ravine]

there's a cap of 4 on intensify? source? 😦

[cedar pewter]

So I was initially writing off soulrend

[rugged falcon]

hmm

[cedar pewter]

but holy fuck

I think im playing it as a leaguestarter lol

Occultist soulrend lesgo

[rugged falcon]

yeah

[cedar pewter]

AND i don't have to use blight?

I'm so hyped

[rugged falcon]

ES soulrend with the new ES leech

[weak zephyr]

more interested in CI Trickster Bane

[rugged falcon]

idk what im gonna play for bane

[grizzled ore]

es leech dont work on DoT

[rugged falcon]

maybe occult too

[cedar pewter]

Who cares

we want damage

[limpid current]

ye but the hit damage is very respectable

[grizzled ore]

is there even a hit dmg on it?

[cedar pewter]

It's a more damage multiplier we can slot in

yes there is

[limpid current]

if not as high as that of other spells

[tidal frost]

CI trikster orb of storms tempest shield wish me luck

[rugged falcon]

you get dmg from the leech gem

[cedar pewter]

448-672

[rugged falcon]

so

[zealous lance]

so soulrender is good ?

[cedar pewter]

Yes

lol

[rugged falcon]

throwing soulrend + es leech gem = dmgdmgdmg

[tidal frost]

whatss the ES draining belt called

[pliant heath]

wait the energy leech gem

is the most op support gem in the game wtf

[weak zephyr]

So since we are probably only going to use 2 Curse supports in Bane, what will be the second one outside of despair

[rugged falcon]

you dont even need to be ES to use it effectively either

its just those fuckin dmg multipliers

[faint ravine]

you can always put in enfeeble and tc if you have nothing else you want

[lucid stone]

If your projectiles are slow enough, can soulrend turn back around

[kindred dagger]

lol

[limpid current]

combined with occ's already insane recharge, you're essentially unkillable unless you do super deep delves

[tidal frost]

120% less projectile speed, projectiles go backwards

[ember hill]

what the fuck is soulrend's 2k base chaos damage?

that shit is OP

[tidal frost]

.4 duration, remember

[rugged falcon]

its 2k dmg in .4 seconds

[tidal frost]

its 2k damage per second

[rugged falcon]

or

oh

[limpid current]

it's not the dot that matters, it's basically free damage which you throw out again and again

[rugged falcon]

wait

[kindred dagger]

And it doesnt overlap i guess ?

[rugged falcon]

I see

it's 2k in 1s but .4 sec duration

[weak zephyr]

Its 2k times 0.4

[rugged falcon]

yeah

thats fine

[ember hill]

oh it's duration is too short

hmmm

[steel dagger]

how does intensify support work with fireball? can you simply get infinite charges since the aoe only affect the explosion and not the projectile?

[weak zephyr]

If you want more damage out of it start stacking duration

[rugged falcon]

either way

it looks really good

[ember hill]

then it will probably be really good for clearing

meh against bosses

i think

[limpid current]

i mean it isnt like occ didnt already use duration nodes for ess drain

[rugged falcon]

well

[weak zephyr]

@steel dagger that is actually a really solid question

[buoyant quail]

Rory stated max intensity currently is 4

So rip dreams of miniscule spells

[torpid sonnet]

Its still ~50% less radius

sorry, less AoE

[jagged imp]

intensify will be so op for BV

[torpid sonnet]

thats like 70% radius

[spark lake]

5 target cap on divine ire channeling 😦 might be really ass for clear

[lucid stone]

So soulrend with less duration support basically becomes hit damage?

[tidal frost]

tiny whispering ice buil,d is somewhere in the todo list

[lucid stone]

The whisper becomes eeeeeven smaller

Or quieter

Inaudible Ice

[icy lake]

dots like soul rend needs duration

[tidal frost]

depends how the reapply works

[rugged falcon]

running soulrend with less duration would probably make it worse

since its dmg is DoT /s

even if you get really high numbers

[solemn tiger]

Why is leech 24/39% more damage. So stupid.

[weak zephyr]

It depends on how fast you cast/how fast the projectiles are and what boss it is

[rugged falcon]

hmm

[icy lake]

not really? there is probably only 1 instance of dots at any time

[lone parrot]

The new support gems are so powerful

[icy lake]

and reapplying probably refresh the duration

like how ED works

[steel dagger]

how does spell cascade work? does it always overlap?

[kindred dagger]

you put swift affliction

[jagged imp]

Calling it: Controlled destruction will be replaced with intensify support for BV

[tidal frost]

both. all in.

[worthy basalt]

Nice to see that soulrend has good numbers

And so does bane

[tidal frost]

stack that max curse

[kindred dagger]

We really need new item up to 8 slot, too many cool gem i want my gear make everything 😄

[rugged falcon]

so, intensify goes to 5 max stacks?

[wary minnow]

if bane is good it's gonna be like cold dot occultist where people were like "we'll do it with cold snap" and then it turns out all we need is vortex, except it was "we'll do it with soulrend" but all we need is bane

[outer skiff]

Do you think Bane can be used with Doedre´s Skin ?

[jagged imp]

if so that means 80% increased area dmg

[wary minnow]

no it can't Woras iirc

[tidal frost]

Intesity 4 stacks https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ay564f/-/ehyd539/?context=3

[rugged falcon]

you barely have any decrease to base AoE even at max stacks with intensify too

[magic blade]

Divine Ire - Energy leech - Infused Channelling -phys to lightning - +2 links

Help!!!

[rugged falcon]

since it's 54% increased at base compared to 12% less aoe per stack at 5 stacks thats only 60%

so youre only at a 6% decrease from base AoE

basically nothing

[cedar pewter]

So Spark, Soulrend and Malevolence all seem hype. Zealotry seems decent.

[spark lake]

@magic blade possibly empower ofc

[cedar pewter]

That aura ring is going to fucking SKYROCKET in price this league

[tidal frost]

one is a less mod one is increase

[cedar pewter]

calling it now, 2ex

[magic blade]

empower and conc effect?

[spark lake]

@magic blade possible CWC if the map clear doesn't work out since it only hits 5 targets per cast while channeling

[magic blade]

oh yeah

CwC Purifying flames

was my initial idea

[rugged falcon]

hm it is a less mod

[magic blade]

but want to commit to a pure galick gun

[weak zephyr]

So Star of wraeclast + curse nodes on tree and you dont need to worry about AoE nodes for Bane anymore

[rugged falcon]

but that doesnt really change it does it

unless its multiplicative per stack

[spark lake]

@magic blade you playing crit or going for ignite with divine ire

[tidal frost]

so its 154% times the 1 - less mod

[spark lake]

@magic blade those would influence youro ther links im guessing

[magic blade]

@spark lake planning crit for now

haven't thought about ignite

[rugged falcon]

hmm

[spark lake]

u see the 70% more dmg with ailments

[rugged falcon]

154%

[spark lake]

u can rock stormfire or smthing

[magic blade]

ooo!

ah yeah that works

[spark lake]

Your Lightning Damage can Ignite

aye

[teal axle]

I think Im doing a sparker, just gotta decide on ascendancy.

[lone parrot]

Im going divine ire

[spark lake]

but yeah crit or ignite u have to choose

:p

im going for the divine ire dream too

[magic blade]

i've never played an ignite build, i'm not sure how mechanics or how to build it

[spark lake]

well its based of hit damage

it doesnt matter if you crit with 10000 multiplier

[rugged falcon]

divine ire looks fun

[spark lake]

it still checks for what it would've done if it didnt crit

so you basicly never combine crit & ignite

[magic blade]

ahh

so ignite is EO based ?

[kindred marsh]

soulrend damage is nuts

[magic blade]

rather than crit

[spark lake]

usually play EO / ele equilibrium type yeah

[magic blade]

with ignite, will that change much of the generic spellcaster tree?

cos i haven't looked at ignite nodes or anything

[spark lake]

theres some nodes for it yeah but it mostly influencesu r ascendancy

[umbral portal]

can the new bane skill be used as an aura with blasphemy? as some aoe aura that deals chaos damage over time

[magic blade]

ahh!

I'm going to live the trickster dream

so thats probably leaning towards crit more

[teal axle]

no devour

[spark lake]

yeah im feeling trickster too

[umbral portal]

😦 would have been too nice, ty @teal axle

[teal axle]

would have been OP

would have nearly 4x the base damage of death's oath

[umbral portal]

ye had such a skill in d2 as paladin i think

[lone parrot]

Inquisitor divine ire

[limpid current]

i think they mentioned that it cant

[umbral portal]

was preetty nice

[teal axle]

so go play death's oath

[magic blade]

i"m gonna try doing ES from the getgo LOL idgaf

jks. probably better to respec into it at like 70

xd

[tidal frost]

what happened to idgaf

[rugged falcon]

I tried running a ES build from start once

it sucked

😦

[magic blade]

XD

[lone parrot]

Well now theres a lot of ES nodes

Shouldnt be tooooo difficult

[magic blade]

i've never played ES either. I was just so comfortable with Life builds

i dind't want to venture into the unknown

played since harbinger BTW

[limpid current]

all you need are crappy uniques if you want to run es

[lone parrot]

^

[magic blade]

sin trek etc?

[lone parrot]

Bated belt idk the name lul

[spark lake]

fossils 😃 really make getting es gear a breeze

[limpid current]

until you segue into CI later, which is when you save up for a regalia

[lone parrot]

Tide Clasps

[tidal frost]

how bad is a low life build that doesnt send chaos to ES

[spark lake]

bad

[limpid current]

extremely bad

[lone parrot]

Unplayable

[magic blade]

you can always use a cowards legacy with a determination watcher's eye

and still go CI

[lone parrot]

I just go CI and save up until i get shavs

[spark lake]

you'd have to limit your life reservation which sucks for low life, on top of that you would have to get super high chaos res which is opportunity cost in itself. might as well go for the shavs etc

[magic blade]

shavs has been pretty cheap lately hasn't it

[spark lake]

ya

[lone parrot]

It will prob skyrocket in price

[magic blade]

I've also considered going CI with phase acro

[spark lake]

yeah wil have tos ee

[lone parrot]

Like inpulsa

[spark lake]

well inpulsa become so much rarer last league

[tidal frost]

its not a very good trickter chest though

[lone parrot]

What is?

[spark lake]

thats part of th reason

[tidal frost]

shav. if you want to abuse the new stuff

[lone parrot]

Ah.

[magic blade]

Shavs going to pick up in price again?

this league

[lone parrot]

I mean, i kinda wanna go carcass jack

[tidal frost]

ES leech added

[lone parrot]

For the AOE

[tidal frost]

shav go up

[rain cedar]

Bane looks pretty.op.

[weary crater]

does the new wording for temp chains mean it doesn't extend debuff duration any longer?

[midnight turtle]

Im gonna try bane and soulrend out probably

Anybody else going curse/chaos/ES occultist?

If so PM me

Its gonna be my league starter, and I wanna set up a PoB with somebody and talk theorycrafting

[tidal frost]

Im sure theres been many in build planning

[formal thorn]

Seems like a lot of people are going to go that way

[eager charm]

yup

[lone parrot]

Youre gonna notice a lot of occultists

Lul

I havent played trickster since bestiary

[magic blade]

If Divine ire ends up sucking ass

i'm just gonan self-cast frost bolt ice nova

[spark lake]

I think u have to go cwc with divine ire

map clear gonna be ass without I reckon

[magic blade]

you reckon? D:

yeah

[spark lake]

unless u play some prolif version on elementalist

[magic blade]

purifying flame

cos wave o f conviction doesn't sound thaaaat great

[lone parrot]

You can go bladefall

[magic blade]

or fireball

[lone parrot]

With cwc

[spark lake]

u want something that is also physical and has some conversion build I think

[tidal frost]

wave of 25% less resist

[spark lake]

else its gonna be awkward scaling yeah

[lone parrot]

Bladefall is phys

[spark lake]

ye

[lone parrot]

Divine ire is phys and lightning

So not hard conversion

[worthy basalt]

Even with bv nerfs can probably run that too

[magic blade]

Divine ire - CWC - phys to lightning - Bladefall - Infused channelling - Ele Focus?

or ES leech

[lone parrot]

Prob es leech idk

[magic blade]

at end

hnnggg

[lone parrot]

But dont u need overleech to have that more dmg buff

[tidal frost]

24 at full, 39 at leeching

[magic blade]

24 still really good right

[lone parrot]

Ye but u want the 39 too lul

[tidal frost]

its not ele focus or conc effect; but if yo ucant use those

[magic blade]

yeah i know 😦

[midnight phoenix]

24 is vaguely okay

[tidal frost]

arcane surge exists too

[magic blade]

Ele focus probably the favoured one while i am going a life build

[lone parrot]

Arcane surge is rlly good now

Imo atleast

[magic blade]

channelling skills have 0 chance of profccing a high level arcane surge though

if i was using like Magma orb it'd be pretty nice

[marble quest]

how bad of an idea is divine ire poison

[lone parrot]

Commander of pit?

[tidal frost]

going from no surge to having surge is like a 40% mod; 20 from buff 19 from gem

[lone parrot]

Divine ire poison...

[magic blade]

or unless i stack like a bunch of Fevered minds

[tidal frost]

what surge, 400 mana for 4 seconds?

[spark lake]

@marble quest poisons work on small hits yeah

ignite makes more sense

[magic blade]

I'm still unsure how i feel about the Zealotry aura over say.. Wrath for divine ire

[midnight phoenix]

Why would u divine ire poison lol its half lightning damage and the ailment multi per stage is lower than hits

[spark lake]

zealotry looks great

[marble quest]

shrug

[lone parrot]

Especially for inquisitor

[tidal frost]

20% duration on the other aura OPOP

19

[marble quest]

i mean volkuur's exists but it's probably not worth going for huh

[midnight phoenix]

Not so much

[lone parrot]

I think im mostly going to do phys as extra

And scale area dmg

[spark lake]

anyway bladefall doesn't have conversion yeah

idk if that will end up mattering

since ur only using for clear

[midnight phoenix]

Not natively

[lone parrot]

Bladrfall has big aoe

So for clearing purposes yeah

[spark lake]

I also don't know how it will work

will it benefit from infused channeling

[lone parrot]

Well

[spark lake]

unsure about that

[midnight phoenix]

Idk about divine ire clear it depends on gear i think

[eager terrace]

seriously malevolence looks ridic

[midnight phoenix]

If u have gear u can prolly just tap clear

[lone parrot]

Divine ire clear is most likely going to be slow clear

But really good single target

I mean.. more dmg per stage for the beam

[spark lake]

yeah it looks fat for ST

[lone parrot]

And theres 20 stages i believe

[midnight phoenix]

20 indeed

[lone parrot]

I think it can be a all content skill

[spark lake]

yeah its ending up like 570% effectiveness of added dmg and 2660 base dmg on low end (fireball is 1k low end)

yeah its just how much clear speed you are used to

[midnight phoenix]

Er well u need 10 hits at half dmg to charge up

[lone parrot]

Yeah.

[midnight phoenix]

Its prolly better to think of it as an average

The same way we do for bf or scourge

[lone parrot]

Best to still use a CWC staff or something

With a clearing skill

[spark lake]

yeah I think so

or a second 6link

[midnight phoenix]

Perhaps

[spark lake]

but thats also a yikes

[midnight phoenix]

I dont like cwc at all unless its in a separate link

[delicate turret]

I wonder if intensify will balance out the damage nerf BV got

[spark lake]

definitely doable with staves ofc

[lone parrot]

Oh man intensify seems rlly nice

A second conc effect

[midnight phoenix]

I think intensify is awful for bv

[lone parrot]

Well aoe will be so small

[delicate turret]

I think its better than conc effect. When youre clearing, you don't need the damage, you want the aoe

[lone parrot]

Unless you use elementalist aoe node and aoe nodes on the tree

[midnight phoenix]

Its the only nonchanneling build in the game where u want to charge up and then move around a lot

Like if im bossing on bv

[delicate turret]

against big bosses, its fine that its small, you want to shield charge at bosses anyways

[midnight phoenix]

I charge up

Then what

[spark lake]

I think its awkward

[midnight phoenix]

I cant move or i lose dps

[spark lake]

the aoe of that blade is set once its cast right

it doesnt adjust once ur intensify drops yeah

[midnight phoenix]

It should

[delicate turret]

bv casts quite quickly. it feels back up faster than it leaves

[spark lake]

I don't know if thats how it works, I know only what the animation looks like

[midnight phoenix]

Its based off ur aoe which doesnt shapshot

[modern nymph]

What do you guys think of bane and soulrends number?

[midnight phoenix]

Snapshot

[spark lake]

ok

the animation snapshots then

but not the actual aoe

[lone parrot]

Could be higher for soulrend

[spark lake]

then its not gonna be awkward

[sly kite]

bane looks high, soulrend looks low

[modern nymph]

Mhm

[quick cairn]

Do we know when we'll be getting league challenge specifics?

[kindred marsh]

will malevolence aura buff deaths oath damage?

[marble quest]

it should

[frosty aurora]

its dot so yeah

[mystic canopy]

how is soulrend not just a straight up better ED?

[midnight phoenix]

Debuff duration is super short

[spark lake]

yeah soulrend u want to be spamming

[cedar pewter]

huh

For soulrend, what occultist nodes would you take?

Malediction, withering presence and vile bastion all seem outstanding

Profane bloom / void beacon / vile bastion maybe?

[limpid current]

soulrend is for extra damage as your ED ticks down, and your clearing skill

[teal axle]

you can probably PoB it, depends on the auras you're running
If you're gonna run the dot aura plus despair, then withering presence + bastion
If you're gonna run curses and a more defensive setup, malediction+bastion

[cedar pewter]

I'm thinking profane bloom is better than withering presence

not sure though

[teal axle]

it probably is

[mystic canopy]

would you guys run ED or soulrend for packs

[cedar pewter]

soulrend

[limpid current]

soulrend seems more than sufficient as a pack clearer

[cedar pewter]

GMP Soulrend, fuck contagion

swap GMP for either of the green options on bosses

[teal axle]

I think you do soulrend for everything, single ED on a boss plus soulrend casting

Like playing cold snap/vortex, you have a clear skill and then an extra skill to slap some more dps for single target

you do both

imo

[cedar pewter]

yeah

Just drop contagion

[teal axle]

6link soulrend, 4link ED

no contagion

[cedar pewter]

Swap to a 6L ED

imo

[teal axle]

either or but yeah

[cedar pewter]

+3 staff

[lyric ore]

Now that inquis doesn't generate consecrated ground on kill you've gotta run holy flame totem or purifying flame to make it easily

[limpid current]

or if you went wand and shield

[teal axle]

Im either gonna do that or do spark, idk yet

[limpid current]

a pseudo 5l elder wand

[lyric ore]

Unless im.missing a source

[limpid current]

and a malediction synthed spirit shield

[mystic canopy]

so on a boss it would be like, ED, soulrend, blight blight blight, soulrend, blightblightblight?

[cedar pewter]

6L - 8L gloves too

[limpid current]

are great alternatives

[cedar pewter]

no idea what glove options there are

[teal axle]

I wouldnt run blight at all

the threshhold changed for the exact reason of not needing blight in every chaos damage build again

[cedar pewter]

and it'd be more like ED SR Blight SR Blight SR ED SR Blight

[mystic canopy]

yeah i was thinking about just not using blight

[cedar pewter]

I don't think blight's worth it

[limpid current]

blight is garbage now

[teal axle]

I'd just go SR SR SR with EDs sprinkled in depending on the missile speed

[fiery cloak]

so i find it interesting that no one talks about the opop elementalist buff

[limpid current]

you can straight up just replace it

[cedar pewter]

I think blight's fine

[teal axle]

blight might be solid as a single skill now

[cedar pewter]

it's just not a filler to ED anymore

[teal axle]

they buffed the damage pretty well

[fiery cloak]

Static Blows seems really, REALLY overtuned

[cedar pewter]

And Vaal Blight is a great clearer

[teal axle]

so trickster blight with the channeling node might be solid

[limpid current]

i mean vaal blight has always been good

[cedar pewter]

Hrm

You know

[mystic canopy]

really the combo is wither totem, bane, ED, SR SR SR

[limpid current]

but blight itself is no longer necessary

[cedar pewter]

instead of profane bloom

[mystic canopy]

that sound right?

[cedar pewter]

Maybe going Frigid Wake is worth it

[teal axle]

I wouldnt run a bane either