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[violet nymph]

They are really weird yeah

[twin iris]

Right next to jewel socket, and power charge, and gives 17% total ES and spell leech

[violet nymph]

yeah soul thief is nice

[high scaffold]

yea... near ghost reaver and crits wheel

and everything 😂

[twin iris]

They also got rid of the ugly triangles, I'm so happy

[violet nymph]

UGLY!!?!!

[high scaffold]

lmao

idk man... it looks worse to me ...

[violet nymph]

what looks worse?

[high scaffold]

holy triangle 😄

[twin iris]

The ugly triangle replacement... apparently

[violet nymph]

I think the new one looks weird 😄

[twin iris]

New tree always looks weird for a few days

Or weeks

really depends on the play time.

[high scaffold]

we will see

[twin iris]

You do have a point, though

[violet nymph]

devine judgement feels kinda weird to pick up as well tbh

[twin iris]

These branch out

These do not

[high scaffold]

ye... divine judgement is a no from me.... probs get those conversion nodes tho

30% + 20% from gloves and 50% from skills or phys to lightning for physical based skill

[violet nymph]

the conversion nodes however are insane

yeah

I mean devine judgement would probably still be worth in some situations, but I don't feel good about it

the 5% pen is nice tho

[rigid forge]

A lot of global phys nodes were rephrased as just phys

is this just a cosmetic change or does it affect spells?

[patent canyon]

wording change

it does affect spells with phys damage

[rigid forge]

as in, the node affects spells, rather than the change affects spells in the sense that it doesn't apply to them anymore

[violet nymph]

nothing changed

[rigid forge]

👍

[violet nymph]

I'm so hyped about atlas, like it so much

[lyric shuttle]

if mine wasn't total MESS due to switchover

total cluster fck

[violet nymph]

yeah I hope thay fix that

doesn't affect me, but still

[lone parrot]

the new divine wrath and fury

pretty nice nodes i like them

and damn theres so much ES leech at shadow

[strange furnace]

what are some good spells for miner in synthesis?

[mystic canopy]

confirm or deny: arc is no longer dummy thicc

[fiery cloak]

so

could life/es hybrid inq be viable?

[boreal urchin]

Melee is dead

It's dead jim

[royal gale]

hot take

[fiery cloak]

so?

im obv talking about a caster life/es hybrid inq

[covert bobcat]

I would be more interested how Life/ES Trickster will feel now

[delicate turret]

does pob have updated gem numbers?

[violet nymph]

No

[alpine bloom]

uggg why are srs and skellies mana cost going up.........

[patent canyon]

tanking the one for the team

[fierce torrent]

they got tired of nerfing cyclone, so they went after srs

[hushed flame]

@delicate turret it won’t until patch release

[fierce torrent]

we will have gem stats tomorrow tho

[lapis topaz]

Only level 20

[fierce torrent]

which is plenty

[hushed flame]

No, 20/20

It should be 20/20 anyways

[eager charm]

today @fierce torrent

[alpine bloom]

Ya, but its not like srs was op in the slightest and the mana costs were already too high. oh well

[fierce torrent]

well, it's tomorrow for me

^^

"technically today"

[hushed flame]

Yeah SRS nerf is weird

[patent canyon]

🛏 🇪 🇺

[hushed flame]

Certainly not warranted

[lapis topaz]

Without knowing how it scales to other levels you can't put it in pob

[zealous prairie]

winter orb is only 15% dmg nerf?

so its still good

new channelling stuff

[alpine bloom]

Ya, but no change to specters :S oh well.......I think the CI/ dot/ occultist is going to be the star of this league anyway

[dusty salmon]

Nah, storm brand imo

Low risk high reward

[hushed flame]

I’m starting storm brand for sure

[barren crescent]

If someone finds a reason for SRS nerfs, do ping me

[alpine bloom]

ya could be, trickester is looking great this league too

[dusty salmon]

@barren crescent Is "let's spin the nerfroulette" a proper reason?

[burnt rune]

ice trap pretty good now?

[hushed flame]

Yes

[dusty salmon]

I?m pretty sure when making buffs/nerfs, sometimes they just play darts or some kind of lotto

[alpine bloom]

damn didnt see that

[dusty salmon]

and whichever gets hit, gets the nerf.

[eager charm]

@barren crescent cause they're strong, everything else is just stronger, also srs + phantasms is hilarious

[hushed flame]

Shock Nova also looks pretty good numbers wise

[alpine bloom]

I'm wondering if the hard cap on resistences. Does this extend to flask effects??

[barren crescent]

shock nova aoe tho

[last tapir]

is ek good for lvling?

[hushed flame]

Eh

[barren crescent]

flasks haven't been giving +max res since last patch

[hushed flame]

No probably

Especially with the nerf to it

Looks much better lategame though

[barren crescent]

EK inquis might be back

[rose atlas]

SRS may be getting a big buff with the new support gem

[barren crescent]

aren't all the supports revealed already?

[rose atlas]

Casting 5 SRS at a time

[barren crescent]

just not the numbers

[rose atlas]

Yeah, unleash I think it's called

[barren crescent]

Unleash SRS - Better nerf SRS

actually unleash summoner sounds fun

[rose atlas]

Honestly seems like it might be really good for clear

And safer for bosses

[alpine bloom]

ya

[rose atlas]

BV will probably be better, but still

[alpine bloom]

that would do it

[hushed flame]

I really wanna see the numbers on Unleash Intensify and Energy Leech Support

[rose atlas]

Yeah the former is the big one for me

That gem could be so huge

[alpine bloom]

ya, Im wondering how easy it will be to get to the ES cap

eS leech Cap*

[hushed flame]

Well it’s 10% of max ES

So literally one source

Will probably be enough

Even if you get the cap buffs

[alpine bloom]

ya and that ES leech wheel is darn nice

[delicate turret]

its probably overkill to take all of that. I'm toying around with my trickster in pob and soul thief alone maxes it

[hushed flame]

I’m probably just gonna take ethereal feast on ES characters

[delicate turret]

increasing the cap on that wheel nearby is nice, but all the preceeding nodes are wasted

[rain jungle]

If you cannot hit that 10% cap, you really need to look deeply into the damage you're dealing

[delicate turret]

yeah, any .2% node should be enough

[alpine bloom]

Im just thinking that I can build a really nice curse support occultise AND have a fun time leveling with essence drain or the new dot/curse

[delicate turret]

any of the new heart of flame/thunder/frost notables are extra nice now

the damage was already good, the pen is great, and .2% leech is all youll need

3 birds with 1 stone

[rose atlas]

That's assuming a 50k hit

[alpine bloom]

lol ya, pathing is fun again this league. Cant wait until the starter rips start getting posted in build fix

[cursive glen]

does anyone know if the new skill purifying flames count as a projectile?

[rose atlas]

So I think to cap leech you need to hit 5 times a second for 10x your es pool. That 1s scales to 5 seconds as you go from 10x to 50x your pool

So if you have 10k es you need to hit for 100-500k

Not trivial

[leaden wraith]

@cursive glen not sure yet, wait for tomorrow where we get full details

[violet nymph]

Is there any upcoming major thingy tomorrow?

[rose atlas]

Assuming you have 0.2% es leech

[spark lake]

so just get more

if u can't manage

[rose atlas]

Yeah it's workable

But it's not a case of just grabbing 0.2% and easy leech cap

[delicate turret]

That math checks out in my PoB. I hit for 131402.2 per hit and cap my 10% of 9366 ES

with just the .2%

[ocean rivet]

I know, i'm late, but .. those changes in slayer's "No longer grants 20% increased Damage while Leeching. Now grants 30% increased area of Effect if you've Killed Recently (up from 20%). " i can not understand, because i can't locate keystone passive that grants it (can't it be misstype?)

I mean i can locate 20% aoe after kill (Headsman)

[rain jungle]

Scion

Scion's slayer ascendency node

[ocean rivet]

@rain jungle ah... yes, silly me. Thank you

[delicate turret]

i wonder if bladefall will dethrone BV as the phys spell of choice

I don't think it was buffed enough but idk how much the damage effectiveness nerf to BV will be

[leaden wraith]

it might

well

it might for overall usage

but idk

if anything worb dethrones bv

since it has a more similar playstyle imo

[delicate turret]

ye could be. I am standard scrub and play LL BV Trickster, so a lot of stuff to change around

might give worb a ry

try

[rose atlas]

I think that'll be EK

Pretty considerable buffs there

[kindred dagger]

Does they revert changes on slayer ? seems POB got uddate and all bonus are still here even buff ?

[rose atlas]

But BV will still be great with the new unleash support

Maybe better for clearing

[worthy basalt]

Only ascendant slayer got changed iirc

[worldly scaffold]

pob has been updated

today is a good day.

[barren crescent]

indeed

Openarl smurfing on us in this league

inb4 Neversink doesn't make it in time

[leaden wraith]

neversink got his post out first tho

so technically ahead but no

[barren crescent]

filter is updated already?

[leaden wraith]

uh

no

but i think he said he's updating d

iirc

i thought he made a post about new filter stuff

[frosty aurora]

damn chain got buffed

a heck ton

magma orbo

[patent canyon]

bigger hype for fork tho

[burnt finch]

The Shattering Steel Buff nobody expected 😄

[rose atlas]

I wanna play fork EK

[barren crescent]

ye chain support is going to be nice

[rose atlas]

Just so I can call it the knife and fork build

[barren crescent]

same for fork

[surreal hemlock]

Buffing scorching ray base damage

Pog

[pine forge]

but you only get the -res on max stags now

[coarse jackal]

ek meta

wew

[barren crescent]

ek nova meta*

[abstract pelican]

were EO and EE changed in any way? I heard people talking about EO but don't see it in patch notes

is it the min crit cap change?

[patent canyon]

a bit

with the 0%

[barren crescent]

the min crit cap does effect EO users

[frosty aurora]

haha kek

[barren crescent]

Mana guardian

[frosty aurora]

[abstract pelican]

@patent canyon so most skill now have 0% base crit or how does it work?

[frosty aurora]

[barren crescent]

aren't there also other sources of mana to ES

watchers and ?

any shelder/fossil mods?

[patent canyon]

you cant proc EO

since you need to crit

[frosty aurora]

marauder completely untouched

[patent canyon]

so if you use contr destruction now you need to invest a bit into crit

or else you have 0% crit and never proc it

[abstract pelican]

oh, so it's controlled destruction nerf mostly

you'll still have 5% base otherwise

[leaden wraith]

most people proc-ing EO use something like orb of storms

[haughty jewel]

yup

controlled destruction will make your linked skill go to 0 if you dont have any crit elsewhere

[abstract pelican]

gotcha, secondary setup proc is still viable then

[haughty jewel]

so need some crit now or a cwdt setup or something

yea

[leaden wraith]

a lot of people would do orb of storms for crit, then CD for the damage on main link so that they dont ened to take all the crit multi nodes to make it worth

[haughty jewel]

with 5% before you just needed 1 crit every 8s

wasnt very hard with most builds

just playing normally

[pallid dagger]

From the 19th challenge onwards and for every third challenge after that, you will receive pieces of the Synthesis Totem Pole decoration to display in your hideout. The Totem Pole permanently showcases how many of the Synthesis challenges you completed during the league. Ngl, im quite curious about this

[haughty jewel]

they showed the totem

if you wanted to see what it looks like

[pallid dagger]

legit? where?

[leaden wraith]

basically you get a taller totem as opposed to the same totme

i mean

if you complete less challenges, your totem will be shorter

but you stil lget a totem =b

[abstract pelican]

same with betrayal, I have a tiny one :>

[haughty jewel]

lol

[pallid dagger]

Path of Exile no longer supports the Windows XP or Windows Vista operating systems. It will still support a 32-bit client for users of 32-bit versions of Windows, but we strongly encourage users to use the 64-bit client if they can. With no more support for Windows XP and Vista, we are also finally retiring support for the DirectX 9 rendering mode, as DirectX 11 is fully supported in recent versions of Windows and is so much faster. By not having to maintain support for two versions of DirectX, we are able to simplify a lot of code, making it faster. And this, finally

[delicate turret]

pob got updated with gem changes?

my numbers look the same

[formal thorn]

ok, so my dumb question of the day - I assume that a passive that buffs damage to channeling skills will buff the damage of winter orb even if you're not actually channeling it? Because it has the channeling tag, it would be affected?

[worthy basalt]

have you updated @delicate turret

[delicate turret]

yeah 1.4.130

says no updates available

[surreal hemlock]

Mana guardian buffs pog

[haughty jewel]

@formal thorn yea channeling skills gain X will work

but some nodes are X while channeling and that only affects the actual stack building

[snow cairn]

it's a channeling skill whether you're actively channeling or not

[coarse jackal]

do u guys know watcher mods on zealotry

[native sonnet]

Reduced mana reservation

[coarse jackal]

of zealotry?

or of all

[leaden wraith]

nope

not yet

no idea about new watcher's mods

im hyped tho

[native sonnet]

Oh wait, was thinking enchant

Lol

[hearty minnow]

Hey guys never used animated weapon, does the skill have the weapon's effect if its unique ?

[jade badger]

So uh, is 14% less action speed against uniques and rares actually matter for temporal

And a whole 15% less damage reduction

For enfeeble

[native sonnet]

Could be the difference of surviving or dieing

[jade badger]

Sau

Say

I take out wicked ward

And go malediction instead

Would this be better

And also would it be effective still

[frosty aurora]

trickster excels in damage over time

but i find

essence drain

boring

: (

what a dream crusher

harness the void and swift killer hm

[wary minnow]

Soulrend!

If Ed bothers you maybe soulrend will be more fun

[frosty aurora]

yeah sounds interesting

[stone belfry]

Has anyone ever made an eva/ES trickster even?

Or do they always go one route or another?

Feels like if you split your resources, you get the worst of both worlds.

[pine forge]

I did hybrid Es/life/eva trickster but not recently

[stone belfry]

Not enough eva to actually reliably avoid damage, and not enough raw HP to absorb it when it hits you

[pine forge]

if you pure es then yeah but with life/es hybrid you have a decent effective life buffer

[stone belfry]

LUL Chaos Degen >.<

[frosty aurora]

this 2% chance bs gonna be 50% increase global crit

which is

not that bad

considering you save mana on some aura

aka wrath or discipline or purity of elements which is least required

[pallid dagger]

Wait, did they just buff any MS builds with that Anger buff? LMAO

[leaden wraith]

yeah

as well as a lot of attack builds

but we're too busy complaining =b

[mental apex]

Firestorm cast speed buff, much needed

However it still costs an insane amount of mana, self cast almost unusable unless you spend a decent bit into just mana, or you have the new one where you build up charges

But then the issue is it only casts on one spot, making AoE pack clearing an issue

Self cast firestorm is a big rip I think still

[frosty aurora]

Item filters can now filter out Shaper and Elder items, if that's something you want to do for some reason.

well

rip

[pallid dagger]

Firestorm buff + that solid meme build which breaks servers = hella fun

[mental apex]

It actually has good damage too

[frosty aurora]

unleash with any spell needs testin

spell cascade firestorm unleash

[snow cairn]

firestorm got buffed?

[leaden wraith]

well

if unleash is any good

firestorm unleash would fix alot of problems

[frosty aurora]

cast time is lower

[leaden wraith]

including mana issues etc

[snow cairn]

just the cast time, no? so, it only really got nerfed for the cwdt build

[frosty aurora]

damage seems like a bit lower

xd

round numbers

[last river]

tbh I'm not convinced on unleash

It's one flat cast a second

Even spell echo is better than that

I guess it's got some upside on bosses as a gemswap but I don't see what else it has

[surreal hemlock]

Do we know values for zealotry?

[last river]

We barely know any values tbh

[stable axle]

Kinda waiting on just the mana res amount

Thats the mosti mportant bit

[spark lake]

@last river they posted unleash gem?

[last river]

They posted the mechanics

And the mechanics are one seal a second

UNless it's improved by cast speed

Oh wait

It's not one a second

Why did I think it was

Think I confused seals with ghost barriers

[abstract pelican]

unleash looks juicy

[spark lake]

seems good yeah

[abstract pelican]

Is there an explanation somewhere how tf exposure is gonna work with penetration?

They only mention it's a thing, but I still don't get what it is

[patent canyon]

they work together

[tough roost]

It'll work with Penetration

[patent canyon]

exposure cant be stacked tho

[tough roost]

But not other sources of Exposure

[abstract pelican]

how was it the case before, multiple frost bombs?

[patent canyon]

no

multiple sources of -res

curse, bomb, helm, other stuff

[livid apex]

Exposure is mainly to make sure Wave of Conviction doesn't get ridiculous

[patent canyon]

that would result in negative res

[livid apex]

because Wave of Conviction and Frost Bomb / Wave of Conviction and Scorching Ray could otherwise stack

[last river]

So you can only have one source of exposure?

[patent canyon]

yes

[livid apex]

Si

[abstract pelican]

oh, for the new skills ok

old stuff should work exactly the same way then

[patent canyon]

all other stuff that does not include exposure is same, yh

[abstract pelican]

or if includes only 1 source of exposure, still same

like frost bomb + some cold pen

[patent canyon]

yh

[rain vapor]

anyone exited for fireball?

[patent canyon]

nope

[abstract pelican]

im excited about way too many skills :p

[rain vapor]

yea same :D

dunno what to do on league start

[abstract pelican]

same

[wanton flower]

flicker strike

[mental apex]

Firestorm my favorite spell still only playable with a high investment in mana compared to other skills 😭

Even more so now with higher cast speed, for clearing almost unplayable. Though bosses should still be fine

So soulrend league starter it is

[rain vapor]

yea i miss playing firestorm. now with the new support gem it should destroy bosses

[mental apex]

But clearing will be an issue, unless it does enough damage in a four link to clear then it will be fine, but then you have to dps link, lol

Two*

Firestorm could clear packs if you have warlords mark I guess, leech back some of the mana

Or just use totems

Make it a channeling skill

[wise prawn]

Idk who is submitting the pull requests for pob for skill gems but some of them the math is wrong, please check before submitting pull request

[icy gyro]

soulrend damage stats when 😡

[pine forge]

@mental apex FS mana requirement really that bad? You could just do EB / MoM with one of the new spell leech nodes

[mental apex]

I could.... But there goes my defencive leech, lol

But yeah it's pretty bad, I played it last league and I BARELY got by with a huge investment into mana cost/regen

@pine forge

And it casts faster now, so more mana cost per second 🤔

[terse ether]

gems nerfs already active?

[coarse jackal]

on friday

[terse ether]

ok

[fading pelican]

im trying to decide if i wanna play ek or divine ire. i feel ek is just gonna be meh at best

[balmy ravine]

nerf to A tier arc and buff to S tier winter orb? what?

[olive vector]

Can someone fill me in on the countdown to launch, please? Don't have client and the site's countdown is empty for me.

[balmy ravine]

friday 3PM EST

[olive vector]

Ty, @balmy ravine !

[fading pelican]

arc was a lot better than A lol

[balmy ravine]

no it was A in the list

[fading pelican]

what list

cause pretty much every list means very little to most

[balmy ravine]

path of building forums brt getting it

[olive vector]

@patent canyon Thanks!

[fading pelican]

https://rankedboost.com/path-of-exile/best-builds/

this one?

[balmy ravine]

yes this one

[fading pelican]

they have cyclone at A and ele hit at B

i dont know about this one chief

[balmy ravine]

I tried them and arc felt the quickest at clearing but not so good at bosses

winter orb just obliterates anything

arc definitely felt weaker

[fading pelican]

i think they mean cyclone with CoC

[balmy ravine]

downing t16 bosses in under 2 seconds and shaper in under 5 seconds

[patent canyon]

so why not list CoC gem instead of cyclone

[balmy ravine]

because coc can be anything lol

[patent canyon]

also vaal rf as build

ppl just press it for damage, thats not a build

[balmy ravine]

you just described half the builds on poe man

[patent canyon]

🙃

I am running in my build. guess it is quicksilver build 🙃

[balmy ravine]

mine's gonna be winter orb I guess lol

buffing a S tier pffft

[wary stratus]

I want more details on the kingmaker change, are the new mods (fortify etc) replacing or in addition to the old ones (cull, rarity)? >:[

[balmy ravine]

I got a question too... they stated that now your resistances cannot be more than 90% from ANY source.... does that mean Immortal Call nerf?

[copper kernel]

no?

[patent canyon]

what does that have to do with immortal call

[wary stratus]

immortal call doesn't interact with resistances at all

[balmy ravine]

immortal call ups your phys resist to 100% for .4 secs

[copper kernel]

for starters physical resistance is not a thing

[balmy ravine]

well I read about immortal call and thats how they state it on the poe wiki

[wary stratus]

no it isn't

[copper kernel]

invulnerable to physical damage

from the wiki

[cloud siren]

^

[wary stratus]

"Over the duration, your physical damage reduction (armor) rating will jump to 100%"

[balmy ravine]

phys dmg means armor is phys resist

[wary stratus]

no it isn't

the stat you're describing does not exist in PoE

[patent canyon]

I guess you could say immortal call build jumps from C to B tier 🙃

[balmy ravine]

I guess, since they nerfed so many ways to get res lol

even loreweave is 78 max instead of 80 now

[lyric ore]

physical damage reduction, in the technical sense, is not a resistance

it "is" a resistance to conceptually think about it

[coarse jackal]

new meta

convert all dmg to phys and perma IC

[lyric ore]

1000 iq

[wary stratus]

physical damage reduction doesn't work anything like a resistance

[frosty aurora]

hm

[wary stratus]

it's subject to incoming damage

[coarse jackal]

zerker viable?

[frosty aurora]

sounds iffy

their position

are okay at best

[balmy ravine]

well coc is instant and buff effect doesnt up duration

[frosty aurora]

and its marauder

thonk

[balmy ravine]

I guess only cooldown is good

[wary stratus]

I hate the location of that battle cry node tbh

[frosty aurora]

shadow's area of tree is so damn pog

like theres no ugly wheel now

near the jewel spot

though it gave a bit of elemental resistance

pogey

power charge much more convenient

[tidal ruin]

new shadow area killed my build

but it also gave me a better one

[stone belfry]

@frosty aurora that's a copletely new node

[frosty aurora]

yea

[stone belfry]

The old one is still there, sort of. The little ones got better.

[frosty aurora]

it took the old one picture

this one been there afaik

[hexed panther]

wtb skill gems + implementation in PoB lmao. Wanna figure out the most ideal pathing for the new holy skills (mainly if they're actually tagged with fire/lightning for conversion reasons)

[torpid sonnet]

They definitely will have the relevant element tags

[copper kernel]

Chances are we wont get those before launch

[hushed flame]

Yeah Openarl said no skill updates until after league launch

[copper kernel]

Gem data was absolutely scrubbed from the patch last time

[abstract pelican]

FREE OPENARL 😡

[copper kernel]

A free openarl cant do shit without gem data

[tight wing]

He is "free". The data isn't

[abstract pelican]

FREE GEM DATA 😡

[snow cairn]

are the known gem values updated?

[patent canyon]

n

[abstract pelican]

global phys = phys? different wording?

[patent canyon]

same thing

different words

[dusty cove]

global phys works on all phys

😛

[vernal ivy]

ughh

There are too many spells to cast this league

:D

I can't decide between a <some spell> Elementalist or an occultist

it doesn't help that I'm so bad at making my own trees, lol

[violet nymph]

"Due to Templar budget cuts (and performance concerns (but mostly fiscal responsibility)), many of the Blackguard Jaegers in the Ascent have lost their capes."

this part of patch notes is most important :))

[balmy ravine]

pob updated with new skill tree and people making videos with 3.5 skill tree tagged as 3.6

[wicked agate]

hello when will gems 20/20 go out ?

[timid mango]

Later today

Roughly the same time patch notes came out, probably

[wicked agate]

Thank you

[nimble pond]

will storm brand be still viable ?

[stray phoenix]

lol try it

[frosty aurora]

inquisitor sounds pretty good

[lapis topaz]

It does

[robust axle]

I have no idea which boss killer build to run atm 😦

[hushed flame]

Vaal Double Strike Champ still seems fine.

Could probably do cold DoT occultist as well.

[violet nymph]

Did anything indirectly change hoag ?

[lapis topaz]

Uh, offensive curses better?

[violet nymph]

Ok, so no nerfs wooo

[hushed flame]

I think HoAg actually got one buff

Maybe not though

[silk torrent]

How massive is the storm brand nerf?

[hushed flame]

Not terrible

[barren crescent]

Poor Arma brand

[uncut vortex]

More es and new es leech, how op is es now?

[limpid jacinth]

why is this still alive

[stone belfry]

So, with storm brand, what do we replace controlled destruction with now ?:(

[patent canyon]

either keep it or some other gem

wait for new 20/20 gems

[stone belfry]

I also wonder if we should be going EB MoM with elementalist now

though I have no clue how life casters are supposed to leech

[torpid sonnet]

the storm brand tree gets you around 40% inc crit, so with enough cast speed you can still run EO plus CD

its mostly a nerf to storm brand for leveling

[stone belfry]

Which will probably stil be good I guess?

[torpid sonnet]

probably yeah

especially if you have a strong single target skill for bossing

[stone belfry]

I do wonder if it's a trap though and everyone should be rolling occultists period

because of ES leech

[tawny sun]

since so many spells got a dps boost, does that mean that monsters will be hitting harder with spells? since i heard that monsters share the exact same skills we do?

[torpid sonnet]

Yeah, ES characters seem insanely strong this league

[stone belfry]

Path of Occultist 😦

[torpid sonnet]

and guardian

maybe

[stone belfry]

Scourge Arrow will still be obscenely expensive

I mean life + 2x lightning roll abyssals will still be obscene

Then again, how hard is it to craft searching eyes with prismatic + metallic + pristine?

[patent canyon]

problem

no abyss mod on zana

the base itself will be more expensive

[torpid sonnet]

ITF abyss jewel reward is better now though

[patent canyon]

yeah but someone will still need to go all the way to t16s to get the the iLvL for them

[torpid sonnet]

hmm

[abstract pelican]

@tawny sun nah, monsters have their own skills

[patent canyon]

as if no matter how better the drops are

the safehouse zone level matters and you increase it by running stuff in high maps

[ember fable]

hi i download new patch for path of buildning and i noticedthat hieropanth dont give +2 to totems this is bug or now it have only 1 notabla that give extra totem?

[abstract pelican]

the other +1 is on the tree?

never played hiero tho, im clueless

[ember lodge]

Do we know how much Zealotry/Malevolence reserves?

[wheat fog]

not officially

any other damage aura is 50% tho

[torpid sonnet]

Heirophant got changed from +2 to +1 a while ago, cant remember exactly when

[ember lodge]

Fair enough 😃

[ember fable]

ty i already started to feel crazy xd

[radiant lance]

I’d tentatively assume 50%

[ember fable]

but this is shame its ascendacy for totems and give only +1...

[radiant lance]

It was changed with betrayal

And I assume to make it so hiero isn’t the only choice and because they added the +1 totem craft, it’s still probably the best totem ascendancy still regardless.

[wheat fog]

yea you can get +1 totem shields now (in case you didnt know)

[silk torrent]

but why is the storm brand nerf so significant? i mean its only a 12% dmg nerf right? and 5% effectiveness of added dmg

raizq said that they killed the skill

[violet nymph]

its like a 22% dmg nerf

[silk torrent]

eh ye true, i was wrong

[wheat fog]

its still very good, just not as absurd

[radiant lance]

I mean any nerf was probably gonna have people saying it was killed

[violet nymph]

http://poesheet.calabast.com/

[barren crescent]

22% dmg nerf on something that was light years ahead of most other spells 🤔

[wet plaza]

now you just have to play the real hero of the patch notes

blink arrow

[radiant lance]

It’s still usable it’s just not as broken

[barren crescent]

meanwhile Armageddon Brand

[silk torrent]

was going to play an elementalist with ele overload

[violet nymph]

brands + bv really shat themselves

[timid mango]

Did they change the way non-chaos as extra chaos works, or just changed the availability of those mods on crafts

[torpid sonnet]

they nerfed lightning spire trap too, which lots of storm brand builds used for bossing

so it will struggle a bit more with endgame bosses, but its still going to be amazing for mapping and delve

[violet nymph]

the arc range nerf is a big oof

[limber tartan]

Any thoughts on how GC miner will preform after nerf? Thinking the Shadow passive being buffed, along with Hatred changes the skill will still be one of the top choices.

Passive tree*

[torpid sonnet]

damage got nerfed, but all the new ES stuff will be real nice for it

[autumn snow]

so, what does everyone think about srs mana cost increase?

[ember lodge]

It's about the only minion I don't give two hoots about 😛

[kindred dagger]

Its just random "nerf" but i dont see it a problem

[autumn snow]

is it?

what if it works with unleash

[ember lodge]

That makes it a lot more appealing

[autumn snow]

that's what I am thinking about

[ember lodge]

I want to see Unleash on my spectres

[autumn snow]

hm

it should only work with self cast

[ember lodge]

They work with spell echo, it's going to be interesting to see if it works

[autumn snow]

true

[ember lodge]

could go either way right now

[misty steeple]

Arc = ded? Or still good?

[autumn snow]

it's average

[eager terrace]

probably still okay

[autumn snow]

chain range is pretty big, other than that...

[patent canyon]

need to see how it feels with the chain thingy

[sour heart]

Kingmaker now has "nearby allies have +50% critical strike multiplier", "nearby allies have fortify" and 250-285% increased physical damage. Existing versions are not affected. is this in addition to the item rarity / culling strike, or does it replace that?

[patent canyon]

it addition

[eager terrace]

additions

[sour heart]

oh thats amazing then for me

always annoying taking zombies lategame, fortify will help a lot

for AG, not using the axe lol

[autumn snow]

indirect summoner buff

[sour heart]

i will say im a bit worried about hatred going down though

indirect nerf :/

[patent canyon]

explains srs nerf

[autumn snow]

like I said, srs should be usable with unleash

hatred nerf isn't that huge

[kindred dagger]

But we dont know numbers, cause even if the mecanic works doesnt mean it will be good

[sour heart]

for summon phantasm change, does that mean if you link a summon phantasm in a zombie link, it has a 10% chance to summon a phantasm on hit of rare or unique?

Now also grants a 10% chance to summon a Phantasm when supported skills, or non-phantasm minions from supported skills, hit a Rare or Unique enemy.

[autumn snow]

yep

[sour heart]

interesting. thinks its worth losing a damage link for that?

[kindred dagger]

I guess so yeah

[autumn snow]

it is for spectres

[sour heart]

that is pretty cool

you could have flame sentinels pooping out phantasms on bosses then?

[kindred dagger]

Will depend on how much damage phantasm can add for the traded sup gem

[sour heart]

yeah true

[autumn snow]

yep

[sour heart]

it will look really cool regardless! lol

[autumn snow]

should be easy to have 100% uptime

[kindred dagger]

yeah i allways found fun phantasm but sad to invoc, those changes are really nice

[neon horizon]

oh mb I'll ask here

Will this craft go legacy or will existing versions be changed?

[kindred dagger]

people focus on wrong ideas and strange changes, nerfs, but there is still some good add

[modern nymph]

Yea

I rly wanna play a arakaali fang build

Not sure how hard its gonna be to get the fang tho

[autumn snow]

@kindred dagger inv buff is amazing

[modern nymph]

Am i the only one thinking fireball buff is dumb

[autumn snow]

why?

[modern nymph]

Cuz it was already good

[autumn snow]

arakaali as a starter build is a big NO

[modern nymph]

And mhm, yea its kinda pricy (the fang)

[autumn snow]

the price will be absurd early game

[modern nymph]

Yupp

If only it was farmable

[sour heart]

you still take a lot of minion nodes with it

just play something else minion related until you can afford it

[modern nymph]

I find other minion boring tho

😅

[sour heart]

yeah probably not good then

ill probably do that tbh

play zombies then switch when i can afford it

[modern nymph]

Ew zombie

[sour heart]

spiders kinda ruined all other minions for me though tbh

no life, super fast, and crazy damage

[modern nymph]

Only sumonner i like now are spectres

[sour heart]

the only annoying part about spiders is losing all of them mid map, and having to resummon them

[modern nymph]

Yea

[sour heart]

if that wasnt a thing, it would actually be the perfect build lol

[modern nymph]

True

[winged marsh]

I kind of like the idea of a baron zombie build

[sour heart]

yeah that was my fav build, until they nerfed baron into the ground

[modern nymph]

I liked baron srs better

But srs ai is ew

[sour heart]

honestly spider ai is TOO GOOD, it makes everything else feel terrible

[modern nymph]

Yea

[winged marsh]

I'm glad I haven't tried it yet then lol

[sour heart]

yeah it will ruin everything

[winged marsh]

Played skelly + zombie as a starter past 2 seasons

[sour heart]

i wish they would buff zombie ai, my biggest wish in this game right now

[modern nymph]

I think im just gonna play chaos trickster

[sour heart]

or give them an item that turns them agressive etc

[winged marsh]

I have planned out the passives for a CI Occultist Soulrend build

for starter this league

[last kite]

^

[winged marsh]

I haven't figured whether it will be supported by blight or blasphemy

for the curses

or any supports or you know gear or anything but I will figure that on the fly

[last kite]

bane is also an option

[winged marsh]

because that's the best way to do it

I meant bane not blight

[modern nymph]

Well

Ci as a starter in hc seems kinda scary

[winged marsh]

I am trade SC lol

[modern nymph]

Like i prolly wont get good enough ES gear early on

And i wanna go ssfhc if i dont do arakaali fang

[winged marsh]

my first full season was last season and I die, a lot so HC scares the poop outta me

[modern nymph]

Yea

I used to play hc alot before

It was scarier with the goddamn lag and desync ill tell you

[winged marsh]

I can imagine, I don't get huge amounts of time to play (like 1 - 2 hours a night average) so the thought of just straight up losing all progress doesn't appeal as well.

I get why people do

[modern nymph]

I don’t play as much as i did before

I had 12-24hours straight playtime like some years ago

I miss those days

In trying to start streaming

Just got my mic i hope ill be able to set it up for friday

[last kite]

good luck

[abstract pelican]

24hour per day? those are some rookie numbers

[modern nymph]

I meant not everyday

[cedar pewter]

48hrs les go

[tame mason]

hardcore is stupid with 1 shot and log out macro and is designed for streamers

[restive anvil]

essence drain now has the area gem type

OH

[tame mason]

read again

[patent canyon]

does not mean area damage applies to dot

[tidal frost]

So does ghost reaver and ES leech have two seperate leech caps?

[last kite]

no it just doubles es leech cap

[restive anvil]

Lel you guys really assumee people don't no shit

[tame mason]

es cap is 10% while life is 20% and GR double it but half recharge. if i remember right

[restive anvil]

I am aware a tag doesn't magically make every support apply to a spell tho 😃

thanks for the warning

[tame mason]

because u pasted 1 line out of 2 that expolain why it have aoe tag

[drowsy pulsar]

Given how complicated this game is in places it doesn't need to be, you can forgive people for assuming the worst about game knowledge

[restive anvil]

I directly quoted the patch notes and someone told me to reread it so meh lol

[tame mason]

anyway, investing inc aoe for ED is a big maybe if the small radius is not that small in the first place. and idk if pierce will break it

because it can either act like iceshot behavior or fireball depending

[restive anvil]

I wouldn't invest for ED

but it's nice to have it if you already pathed through a little bit in tree

or want to take some for blight or something

and if you get stuck at 0 on a box

and get totally trolled

you can survive more often now I assume

It also might make DO builds less memes but we'll see

[modern nymph]

Death oath was viable before

And it still will be

Just not by itself

[restive anvil]

How do you define viable

[modern nymph]

I killed shaper with it in hc bestiary

🤷🏻‍♂️

[rugged locust]

death's oath has been good for several leagues now

[restive anvil]

Define "just not by itself"

[modern nymph]

Blight/DO

And there was no vaal blight back then

[rugged locust]

death's oath single target isn't that great, but you usually use a single target skill with it anyway

[restive anvil]

it's clear isn't great imo

[autumn snow]

viable = capable of doing end game content with a realistic budget

[modern nymph]

Well you dont play DO on a realistic budget since coloring it is a pain in the ass

[restive anvil]

and by isn't great I mean there's not really a point to run it other than you feel like it

[modern nymph]

Theres no point on running any build unless you feel like it

[restive anvil]

uhh

[autumn snow]

it's still within "realistic"

[restive anvil]

a build being good?

[barren crescent]

I'd say 1ex to color it is a realistic budget

when the base item is cheap as dirt

[rugged locust]

you pay for colors instead of a 6 link

I think overall it's still cheaper than a 6L

[modern nymph]

Mhm

Is it?

[barren crescent]

should be for a build defining item

[restive anvil]

unless you're somehow paying <1ex to link

[barren crescent]

Isn't average cost of 6L'ing around 2-3ex?

[modern nymph]

Isnt right colored do over 2ex?

[restive anvil]

with syndi it's less but it is higher than an ex

[rugged locust]

no way, is it?

I've always colored it myself

[modern nymph]

It was in bestiary

Didnt look at it since then

So heh idk

I rly liked the build tho

[rugged locust]

skipped bestiary, don't know

[barren crescent]

did you use chromes or jewelers?

[rugged locust]

jewellers

[modern nymph]

Jews

[autumn snow]

a few ex for coloring is still within realistic budget imo

[frosty aurora]

@barren crescent depends on exalt ratio

[barren crescent]

duh

[frosty aurora]

6link used to be 5-6ex then it lowered to 4ex

then it depends what type of unique

then betrayal

like hello 28% qual

[barren crescent]

I meant the average fuses needed for 6L as a cost

[frosty aurora]

its rng

around 1500 as used to say

but then theres people

going in here

[barren crescent]

on 20% it's less

[frosty aurora]

day by day saying

hallo i spent 6k fuses

on this magic find bow

[rugged locust]

I colored two DO in betrayal, one took me about 1000? and the other took me 500 jewellers I think

[cedar pewter]

Oh SRS is getting buffed

Awesome

[barren crescent]

but given how many thousands of items ppl have 6Led, you can make an educated guess of an average

[frosty aurora]

there was some statistics

[barren crescent]

yeah SRS has been meta for years dude

[frosty aurora]

ye

[barren crescent]

nobody just used it due to being too meta

[frosty aurora]

sometimes some people went really deep

into magics of rightclicking a fuse orb on body piece

woke.

[cedar pewter]

I like the ravens. I'm glad they decided to buff it

instead of nerf it

I wonder if it'll be enough to drop the accuracy gloves though

[barren crescent]

I think it might receive some love in 3.7

[cedar pewter]

It's receiving love in 3.6 lol

?

The mana cost isn't changing

[barren crescent]

"Unleash SRS too strong" -probably ggg

[cedar pewter]

and they're doubling it's base accuracy

which is really sexy

[barren crescent]

Can't have ppl casting 5 srs in quick succession too OP

[violet nymph]

yeah that too 😄

[cedar pewter]

PATCHNOTESWHEN - @bexchangewords
 
40 points
·
9 minutes ago
Hey everyone! We're making a couple of small changes to Summon Raging Spirit's for the Synthesis expansion. We're putting its mana cost back to its old values and we'll change the cost in future if the gem changes. We're also doubling its base accuracy. This doesn't preclude making bigger changes in future when we next do a balance pass on it.```

[barren crescent]

this is new

[cedar pewter]

Psh 9 minutes

so old

[barren crescent]

now this is looking like a buff

[cedar pewter]

😄

[violet nymph]

oooh

[cedar pewter]

That's what I was saying

[rugged locust]

do you think DO prices will be significantly higher this league?

seems they're really pushing the chaos dots

gonna have to find another league starter if it's expensive

[barren crescent]

Definitely at the start

[ember lodge]

I suspect shavs will be pricy

[cedar pewter]

I don't see any buffs for death's oath

[barren crescent]

DO is solid starter

the card is super common drop

[cedar pewter]

It's sooo far off meta though

[rugged locust]

oh right there's a card for it

[barren crescent]

it's getting 25% more base dmg

which is to negate the blight jewel changes

but the blight jewel realistically didn't give sustained dot dps, just bursty dmg

[cedar pewter]

Ah, fair enough

[barren crescent]

as most things weren't hindered for more than 2s (where the extra dmg really mattered)

[cedar pewter]

I've never given death's oath a fair shake

I might farm the cards this league and try it out

[barren crescent]

I did DO Occu in bestiary

[tame mason]

lmao that srs change. ark fang is untouched so that 's a way better build

[cedar pewter]

Is it very gear intensive, for ssf?

[rugged locust]

I got addicted to the 0 button playstyle

[barren crescent]

fastest leveling char to 90 I've played as a league starter

It has quite steep str requirement

I snapshotted str with itself

othegr than that, not really

[rugged locust]

yeah you're probably gonna need a separate amulet to equip the chest and then swap back to your usual amulet

[cedar pewter]

SRS is getting nothing but buffs noname

[rugged locust]

it's got up to +50 all stats so that kinda mitigates the strength requirement

[cedar pewter]

Ahh

[barren crescent]

yeah

[rugged locust]

but 130 is still a lot

[tame mason]

yea 1k accuracy 😂

[barren crescent]

I went for full aura nodes on my DO

it was glorious near screenwide death

with inc aoe

[tame mason]

so tell me why u will go SRS over HoA or ark fang?

[cedar pewter]

I'd never play hoa again

[viscid lantern]

meme vids

[cedar pewter]

I hated that build

[barren crescent]

hoag or hoa

[cedar pewter]

Herald of Agony

It's, imo, the least comfortable minion build

[viscid lantern]

click 3 times, scream and hope something dies before you

[barren crescent]

I really liked Dancing Duo in Betrayal

[cedar pewter]

Not calling it weak, just saying I didn't find it comfortable to play

[viscid lantern]

Same, iks.

[cedar pewter]

If I'm playing minions, I'm probably just playing Skeles + spectres

[tame mason]

u should try ark fang then. scion with all minion move speed . stupid fast

[cedar pewter]

one of the best clearspeeds, one of the best boss killing, 1 build

why not?

And you can do it with just a tabula, a 5L femur of saints and any movement skill weapon on swap

[limpid current]

i really was hoping to play something other than occultist but if they want to buff chaos casters more it's a shame to not go for it

[mental apex]

Srs got put back, now can we drop firestorm mana cost abliiiiitle bit more please? ❤

[tame mason]

trickster said hi with self cast ed

[cedar pewter]

Spark got the biggest buffs of anything this patch

[rugged locust]

I don't expect summoner league to ever come because GGG knows how divisive the summoner playstyle is

[barren crescent]

so wait how much does the base accuracy even benefit?

[cedar pewter]

A LOT

[barren crescent]

GOOD

[tame mason]

uh u need it to for minion to deal any dmg

[cedar pewter]

It takes you from 71% to like..84%?

It's pretty huge

[violet nymph]

people might actually play it xD

[cedar pewter]

SRS has 2 major issues

Accuracy and how fucking squishy they are

specifically for fights like Phoenix, elder and shaper

[barren crescent]

So 412base acc goes to 824

[violet nymph]

still costs a lot in terms of how fast you cast it tho

[cedar pewter]

Also the poison nerfs devastated srs

while skeles got a lot of compensation...srs kinda got fucked

[barren crescent]

it goes from 56% to 67% without additional sources of accuracy

[cedar pewter]

and AW is still just fine, though stupid to play lol

[barren crescent]

agaisnt estimated 86 enemies

[cedar pewter]

Toss in the accuracy wheel and it should take you to around 84%

[barren crescent]

I added lvl 8 added accuracy support to it to simulate the change

it's fairly close

[tame mason]

okay no1 really know how stupid strong ark fang really is so this is my build last league https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/nonameowns/characters?characterName=SPIDERS_ON_COCAINE

[barren crescent]

no wait

I fucked up

[cedar pewter]

Why play ark fang spoders

[barren crescent]

it goes from 56% to 72%

[cedar pewter]

WHEN YOU CAN PLAY LIGHTNING SPODERS

Out of curiosity where are you seeing accuracy on pob?

[barren crescent]

I added 200accu to it, when it's receiving 412

[cedar pewter]

ah calcs

[rugged locust]

is so good >cod portal

[true cloak]

Also everyone knew how strong the dagger was

[tame mason]

but no1 know how to build it right just copy off the meme video

[true cloak]

Ever since people posted afk uber elder vids of it

[tame mason]

that was a huge misdirection btw

[barren crescent]

but the afk UE was phaserun

not the dagger

[true cloak]

I don't mean literal afk

I just mean the play style btw

[barren crescent]

aka general summoner with "perma" minions

[true cloak]

Yeah but much smoother to start

[barren crescent]

granted

I think the spider dagger is fine

it's nice to have strong alternative option

[cedar pewter]

No items at all

just tree

[tame mason]

yea look at my link to see how it really shine. it lie in the jewels and minion move speed lol

[barren crescent]

Add CotP

[tame mason]

and chest allowing spider to deal dobule dmg too for like 10 seconds

[cedar pewter]

It's 77% -> 87%

That's pretty significant

[barren crescent]

yeah and thats estimate

[cedar pewter]

It's going to be more in practice

[barren crescent]

I'd prolly bump the char lvl to 90 to get "safe" estimation

[restive anvil]

I thought fang was meta af

[barren crescent]

I'd prolly bump the char lvl to 90 to get "safe" estimation

[restive anvil]

Was it actually sleeper and I just know non-sheep

[tame mason]

whole attention on fang was a huge misdirection lol

[barren crescent]

it was at the start, but ppl gave up on it after phase run

[cedar pewter]

It's going to be more in practice.

because nobody uses level 20 SRS

It's more like level 25 SRS

[barren crescent]

😄

but do minions gain accu per level?

[cedar pewter]

yup

tons of it

[barren crescent]

Oooh

TIL

[tame mason]

spider accuracy xd

[restive anvil]

Be me trapped in 2016
Using Lyco+Aegis for minion accuracy

[barren crescent]

Chauberwhatyoucallit

[cedar pewter]

Lol

[restive anvil]

CHOBERCHABER?????????

[barren crescent]

+3

as starters

[cedar pewter]

We have tmeple back right?

[barren crescent]

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Chaber_Cairn this thing

[restive anvil]

Patch notes in channel description 😮

[tame mason]

12 of this is hilarious

[cedar pewter]

+4 SRS tabula chests are going to be cheap enough

[restive anvil]

noname wouldn't there be better option

attack move flat

[barren crescent]

I mean just build it for mana regen and we gucchi

[cedar pewter]

Toss in a lv4 empower later on, and you have +7 SRS ezpz 😃

[barren crescent]

What if

we put Victario's Charity with necro aegis on them

since accu is now in check

[restive anvil]

that's fobvs the plan

[barren crescent]

[restive anvil]

Giving charges op

[tame mason]

might as well go spider because way more dmg and clear?

[barren crescent]

Isn't there solid options for Shelder 1h weapons for srs

without +lvls

[restive anvil]

not really solid imo

[cedar pewter]

lv28 SRS has 762 Acc, they're doubling it to 1524, which gives you around 83% acc before any nodes

[barren crescent]

Or do we just jam it into eBonerhelm?

[restive anvil]

since you want a fatty +3 basically

I'd rather jam clear zomboys in helm or something

now that I have bone+lab enchangt

[cedar pewter]

93% Accuracy w/ tree and no items

That's a fucking massive gain

[barren crescent]

👌

[restive anvil]

USE THE GLOVES

[cedar pewter]

THE GLOVES SUCK

[restive anvil]

Yeah I know

but memes

[barren crescent]

My Raging Bee MTX might actually see usage now

[cedar pewter]

86% -> 93% in the end.

[barren crescent]

Unbeerable

[true cloak]

@tame mason link me a pob of your spider build

So I can see

[barren crescent]

Hold on

[restive anvil]

doesn't accu not matter that much for summons anyway

[barren crescent]

Spiders+bees

[restive anvil]

Not like they're gonna start critting rightr

[barren crescent]

Zoommoner

[cedar pewter]

Accuracy is why SRS isn't played end-game

[barren crescent]

(that was good pun, c'mon)

[violet nymph]

low accuracy on srs feels like poop

[restive anvil]

yeah but 87-93% isn't gonna feel crazy

I don't think

[cedar pewter]

It helps more at the lower levels

[barren crescent]

It's going to be much better than the 50% it had 😄

[restive anvil]

It's having like ~80 that sucks Ithought

[cedar pewter]

when you go from 54% acc to like 65%

[tame mason]

@true cloak https://pastebin.com/nuYsASHM

[true cloak]

Ty

[uncut vortex]

does lightning trap + fork work or is it better to have pierce support

[cedar pewter]

Lightning trap always pierces

doesn't it?

[uncut vortex]

no

Needs pierce support

Or else it just hits the first thing and disappears

[restive anvil]

only Vaal has free pierce i think

[uncut vortex]

^

[cedar pewter]

I'll be honest, Id idn't know there was a non-vaal version lol

[uncut vortex]

Vaal pierces all targets

[restive anvil]

It should

however it isn't mentioned

[uncut vortex]

What should?

[restive anvil]

So I have no evidence other than the fact that it works with pierce and chain

it should work with frork

[barren crescent]

Vaal version pierces

[cedar pewter]

Chain: Lightning trap can chain if linked with Chain Support gem. Chained projectiles can miss the targets if they are moving too quickly.```

[barren crescent]

Doesn't the normal one as well?

[restive anvil]

normal does not