I'ma make a frost trapper this league lol
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violet nymph
explosive trap could be good end game now as well actually
icy lake
🤔 with teh chain buffs... will lightning arrow beat out tornado shot for MF clearing?
iron orchid
guys essence drain changes good or bad ?
icy lake
effectively more damage on ED
cedar pewter
VERY good
icy lake
even with the blight threshold nerf
swift pagoda
so Vaal DD at 200% effect huh
icy lake
but having gained area tag is huge
iron orchid
im kinda stuck between essence drain and soulrend tbh
violet nymph
I'd go for soulrend tbh, just because it's new
icy lake
use both, or do gem swap for boss
cedar pewter
I don't know how they add MORE chaos skills
violet nymph
but I'd rather play none of them 😄
icy lake
ED is single target for chaos skills tho
violet nymph
soulrend will work single target tho
cedar pewter
You cast ed and then what
violet nymph
with duration scaling
cedar pewter
run around? Walk in melee range and channel blight?
Neither of those are very appealin
jagged imp
pob'd elementalist with 10k ES, average es gear 
either math is off or i dont know
icy lake
you don't need to channel blight anymore
cedar pewter
I'm talking on something like shaper
icy lake
and you can always have a soul rend in a elder linked item
swift pagoda
Arcane Will is busted eh
iron orchid
oh
icy lake
to actively cast
cedar pewter
It just turns into a super boring boss fight
icy lake
or use bow + body armor for 2 6L
cedar pewter
We don't have soul rend numbers, yet, do we?
glacial wraith
Why is the fireball dmg so high
cedar pewter
lol
sonic sage
So I was gonna run gc miner cause I really want a cheap boss killer, does it look like it's still viable or is there something that looks better in that regard?
cedar pewter
THEY KEEP BUFFING IT
violet nymph
because why not
cedar pewter
PLAY FIREBALL
silver kettle
Tomorrow @cedar pewter
copper kernel
gc will still be top tier
violet nymph
because nobody wants to play fireball even tho it's super good
glacial wraith
Its 1000 - 1500 dmg on lvl 20 now
copper kernel
youre going to have to invest into actual gear tho
glacial wraith
What the heck
violet nymph
so they will keep buffing until people play 😄
cedar pewter
hahah
icy lake
so no body play fireball
glacial wraith
Firecracker build inc
cedar pewter
Fireball used to be top-tier meta build
cedar pewter
Now nobody will play it even after 2 rounds of buffs
copper kernel
vfb is very much alive tbh
violet nymph
I'll definitely play either fireball or flameblast . Both already good skills that got nice buffs for no reason
cedar pewter
Yeah but it's not 16 second full map clears alive
violet nymph
Hm
glacial wraith
Was spectral shield throw ever useful
cedar pewter
no lol
violet nymph
I dunno if I should try to utilize that es leech from soulrend on my trickster or not
icy lake
i mean... ppl did kill uber with bleed SST before
copper kernel
well you cant do that because of many more reasons
glacial wraith
Why does it even exist
cedar pewter
Someone killed minotaur with a fishing rod and normal attacks
violet nymph
I mean with the slight proj speed buff it will definitely be top tier ...
cedar pewter
Just 'cuz you can, doesn't mean it's good
copper kernel
yea it was bee
iron orchid
lmao
cedar pewter
lol
swift pagoda
CoC Shock Nova looks like fun
iron orchid
what about the lovecraft uniq shield
icy lake
i mean... all they had to do was make more projs affect the main projectile
and it would be used
violet nymph
Limitations breed creativity. They thought they were being clever with its mechanics
Hell, they were. They just fell flat
scaling just isn't there
cedar pewter
This skill is a dumpsterfire
icy lake
when it already cleared red maps when slapped on to any relevant skill
cedar pewter
You know what might actually save SST? A Helm enchant that says you throw 1 or 2 additional shields
or a unique
swift pagoda
So Shock Nova now has an effectiveness of 144% in the ring, any thoughts ?
cedar pewter
I mean..You allow gmp to work suddenly people start tossing out 15 shields with no damage loss
lol
obsidian gate
how much do you think bone helms are gona go for if high item level
icy lake
maybe, but probably not
violet nymph
what if we just delete sst? Nobody would ever notice it's gone
icy lake
in standard tho...
cedar pewter
I don't think minion builds are going ot be super popular
icy lake
legacy bone helms
obsidian gate
in standard
iron orchid
ice trap looks so sweet damn
icy lake
holy crap
cedar pewter
What's changing with bone helms?
icy lake
those are gona be money
eager terrace
halved minion damage
violet nymph
yeah, why tf they nerf bone helm 😛
icy lake
lab enchants aren't implicits anymore
cedar pewter
but..y
obsidian gate
so they gon be crazy
eager terrace
cuz summoners /spit
cedar pewter
Summoners don't use bone helms very often
fleet summit
New channel
obsidian gate
passive / weapon passive for self damage from minion
cedar pewter
There's so many good helm options
violet nymph
spiritual aid is the problem not bone helmet
fleet summit
:o
icy lake
they nerfed the implicits on two tones, bone helm because lab enchants can be applied on top of implicits
instead of overwriting them
violet nymph
Yeah sure, like they struggle with shit-all but keybinds
violet nymph
Summoners will be fine
yeah, I'd rather have lab enchants replace the implicit @icy lake
cedar pewter
Oh SMNs are definitely fine until they bring skeles to a reasonable damage level
shut ferry
I played a dom blow necro last league, chained t16s np, was ez pz, just a lil clunky
shut ferry
should be better now w/ convoc changes
swift pagoda
Summoners got Kingmaker Guardians now, and 2 or 4 sec Convo, ya they good
violet nymph
halving bone helmet tho was just stupi
icy lake
so bone helm could be a 40% damage on spiritual aid keystone build, while allowing for lab enchant
cedar pewter
With nothing but a tabula they do over a million dps iirc
I'd call that unreasonable
barren crescent
Finally done with notes
violet nymph
What makes that chest worth worrying about?
obsidian gate
two toned + lab is nice too
violet nymph
Summoners don't get anything out of their chest slot but defenses they clearly dont' need
tame mason
why does scourage arrow get chaos tag added when it already has it?
cedar pewter
Chest slots the most important offensive slot incu
violet nymph
6Ling your main skill should very well hit good numbers
cedar pewter
You want a +3 or +4 chest
violet nymph
eh
cedar pewter
Even if you're stuck with tabula
glacial wraith
Cyclone nerfs when
cedar pewter
Spirtual Aid is usually expensive
violet nymph
but lets be real, bone helmets were not something summoners used that much
cedar pewter
WE didn't use it because we had like 15 good lab enchants
violet nymph
Even if it was for them, it was a niche in the end
swift pagoda
you want an elder helm and an elder bone helm was pretty fucking expensive
icy lake
spiritual aid as it currently stands is a practical way to buff damage overtime builds, which lacked damage multipliers on passive tree before
(or those ignite builds)
tame mason
im disappointed they did nothing about helm enchant rng.. with even more skills now
swift pagoda
probably address it in 4.0
icy lake
they are working on so much stuff towards 4.0
cedar pewter
I expect 3.7 or 3.8
icy lake
i doubt they will do anything about it until 4.0 lands
violet nymph
I don't even care, i don't lab farm so eh
swift pagoda
think we might see ascendancy/lab changes then
violet nymph
shit gets old well before I get an enchantment worth selling
violet nymph
lab is still nice to do multiple times for boots in ssf
helmet is not really it tho
cedar pewter
Yeah, I usually valued two-toned more
icy lake
lol i run uber lab whenever i get twice enchanted
cedar pewter
but now I'll probably run it whenever I get twice enchanted
icy lake
not much more outside of that
cedar pewter
instead of filling a stash tab with em
swift pagoda
you can farm boot/glove enchants pretty well , but helm ones are not worth it
violet nymph
yup, on gloves and boots there are at least multiple worthwhile ones
icy lake
🤔 energy leech support with that more damage multiplier
cedar pewter
I think this league ima make a mad dash to shaper for piercing boots asap
violet nymph
energ leech is SO DUUUUMB
swift pagoda
Shaper is a golden goose now with all the good items he drops
violet nymph
shaper chest is ❤
swift pagoda
Shaper chest will get a nerf in 3.7, that thing is busted
cedar pewter
Lol
violet nymph
sssh, don't tell them
swift pagoda
hey, lets put an item with 2 more multiplaier mechanics on it, what could go wrong
cedar pewter
Oh they nerfed Voidwalker since hte last time I cared about it
violet nymph
honestly tho, pretty much any build can use that shit
tranquil mulch
cedar pewter
It's not just "Projectiles Pierce while you have phasing"
rip 😦
stupid projectile rework lol
why did ice nova get nerfed?
swift pagoda
CoC
cedar pewter
Ah
violet nymph
honestly I don't know what GGG was thinking with the es leech, a little bit would be cool, but there is an absolute shit ton of it on the tree
was anything besides slayer killed in patch notes ?
cedar pewter
Oh the new trees up?
swift pagoda
CoC nova + frostbolt was busted
cedar pewter
where at?
brittle fulcrum
i see people saying that hatred either got nerfed or buffed
seems like it's buffed for cold conversion builds
covert bobcat
"To further our effort to improve Chaos Skills, we've also changed the Blight threshold jewel. Previously, the Spreading Rot jewel caused enemies affected by Blight's Hinder to take 50% increased Chaos Damage. This damage bonus was significant enough that we had to balance chaos skills around using Blight and Spreading Rot. We've changed this threshold jewel to instead cause each pulse of Blight to also apply Wither for 2 seconds per jewel. This lets Blight easily apply a damage bonus that can be accessed by chaos characters via other sources if they don't happen to want to use Blight. As a result, we've been able to push the damage of chaos skills higher than before."
What happened to that? Where are the chaos damage buffs?
brittle fulcrum
what's it nerfed for?
swift pagoda
RIP arma brand, o7
violet nymph
http://poeskilltree.com/compare/3.6.0/#AAAABAMAABBYES0snI6-ksHfsA== here you can compare
icy lake
hatred got buffed for the purpose of cold spells, and is less for physical conversion
cedar pewter
1503.2 base Chaos damage per second at gem level 20 (from 1159)
That's teh chaos buff
30% more damage on the base gem
AND it got the aoe tag
which is essentially just a 40%+ more multiplier
covert bobcat
And Contagion?
violet nymph
btw why did they buff alchemist too xD
swift pagoda
I want to see the base numbers on soulrend and bane so bad, new Trickster looks so busted
cedar pewter
What the fuck happened to teh witch area
tame mason
tmw is lvl 20 gems reveal
cedar pewter
It looks..AWFUL lol
cedar pewter
OH red circles = removed
cedar pewter
Okay, that makes way more sense lol
tame mason
yea trickster rework is so good. self cast ED got a huge buff too
violet nymph
green is new and yellow is changed
swift pagoda
Escape artist so juicy
covert bobcat
Also 30% more dmg is less than the 50% inc dmg taken
cedar pewter
Ghost dance is amazing
icy lake
not really when you consider wither was a thing
swift pagoda
30% more base damage all the time is way better than the other thing
icy lake
the 50% inc chaos damage taken was additive to wither and others
covert bobcat
okay thats true
swift pagoda
inc dmg taken stacks additively with other sources of inc dmg taken like Aspect of the Spider
cedar pewter
despair got a huge buff on basically everything but white mobs
south blaze
I actually just made myself worry; they changed what Ghost Dance provides entirely?
So it won't give ES from chest EV now?
icy lake
it still does
swift pagoda
Escape Artist still does
tame mason
dude download the new tree data and find out
cedar pewter
Wait, I thought ghost shroud took the hit in your place
south blaze
My bad then.
violet nymph
nah
cedar pewter
It just gives you a bit of ES?
swift pagoda
it also got 20% spell dodge whitch is insane
tame mason
drowsy pulsar
It gives you ES proportional to how much evasion you have
violet nymph
pretty good tbh
south blaze
Is that out for PoB?
tame mason
wear perfect form = 50% total spell dodge
violet nymph
nop
drowsy pulsar
PoB is DoA
swift pagoda
violet nymph
PoB is kill
south blaze
Then I don't know where to see that 
violet nymph
poeskilltree has it tho
south blaze
There, I'm assuming
swift pagoda
if you never get hit EA is so busted it's not even funny
golden dagger
so all gonna start with pf toxic rain and boss killer with occultist or trickster ?
drowsy pulsar
Pardon me, then. I don't have a degree in mathematics to know the difference
cedar pewter
lol what the hell
swift pagoda
talking about the 36% attack and cast speed
cedar pewter
but why though
tame mason
icy lake
yes instant
cedar pewter
yes
swift pagoda
ye it's the Hale negator wording
south blaze
With enough % EV thats gonna be juicy
violet nymph
50k evasion less go
golden dagger
trickster eb ?
tame mason
that make eb mom a no brainer. reserve 90%+ of mana with auras and go ham on es
south blaze
Jade Flasks see new life
drowsy pulsar
I'd rather that es actually defend me
swift pagoda
aka welcome to 115% max ES trickster
violet nymph
still won't play trickster hhb
drowsy pulsar
not be a hackneyed casting pool
lone parrot
trickster is so good now
swift pagoda
oh 5% of evasion not ES, k
south blaze
I really hope this doesn't ruin the price of cospri's, goddamn
violet nymph
you need a lot of evasion for it to be worth it
cedar pewter
I wonder about divine wrath/divine fury
Can you just slap innervate on EK and make it a lightning skill?
lone parrot
you can get a lot of evasion tho
tame mason
know what's stupid? grace lvl 20 need 50% reserve and only give 2575 evasion while jade flask give 3k lol. pls rework grace
drowsy pulsar
EK as easy to convert anyway
swift pagoda
20K evasion seems resonable
cedar pewter
20k evasion sounds low
unborn gulch
RIP poet
icy lake
2575 evasion is a complete body armor worth
swift pagoda
so 20K evasion would give you 3K max ES
cedar pewter
Jade flask is a temporary boost, Grace is permanent
swift pagoda
on 3 charges
unborn gulch
Least my precious baby is untouched
swift pagoda
and a regen of 1K es / second
cedar pewter
also Vaal grace is one of the best vaal skills in teh game lol
violet nymph
consider only 1 charge will pop at a time
lone parrot
some builds can reach like 40-50k evasion
icy lake
there is no other aura that gave you a full body armor worth of stat defensively
lone parrot
atleast MF builds
tame mason
yea what is the delay on the popping i wonder?
swift pagoda
it's when hit so if you take 3 hits you pop em all
cedar pewter
determination is +51% more armor
icy lake
LUL
swift pagoda
hard to take 3 hits with 40 k evasion and like 50% dodge tho
cedar pewter
That's more than a chest worth
icy lake
not really
violet nymph
yeah 3 sek of not getting hit and you have them all back xD
icy lake
when flat is scaled by everything on tree
tame mason
self cast ed eb mom hybrid trickster sound good to me
icy lake
while that is additive to all the other %s on tree
cedar pewter
More is a multipler afterwards
icy lake
is it actually more?
cedar pewter
You and nearby allies gain (32-51)% more Armour
Determination is actually good for armor stackers
it's awful for everyone else lol
violet nymph
investment
cedar pewter
You need a LOT of armor for it to matter
but once you reach that point, physical attacks become far less scary
cedar pewter
Looking at one of the hardest hitting skills - Shaper's big hammer attack.It does around ~9k damage. At 45k armor, it does 6k.
tame mason
nah only perfect form can phase. or lucky from unloyal
cedar pewter
That's pretty significant
icy lake
yea...
barren crescent
SRS nerfs, c'mon really...
tame mason
the point of trickster is to run around and not facetank though
barren crescent
I think the new shaper body would do nicely for hybrid trickster
icy lake
scaling to 45K armor AND 6k life probably means you are sacrificing optimal damage pathing on tree
violet nymph
with damage shift implicits we are going to be pretty tanky I recon
jagged imp
seems like i will make vortex as starter, even tho hoped for better to bv
cedar pewter
45k armor isn't ahrd to hit. 270k...is lol
lone parrot
270k.. what
violet nymph
you can definitely go BV still wolfie
cedar pewter
But the reaosn no one stacks armor
violet nymph
just kinda shit early
jagged imp
will try to make poison bv later on assassin or trickster
delicate tartan
The hell have they done to fireball? O_o
violet nymph
thats what I mean with damage shift implicits going to be Pog
jagged imp
especially they gave staff mods, that means one
icy lake
DON'T PLAY FIREBALL (so they will buff it some more when it doesn't actually need it)
violet nymph
you could do decay BV @jagged imp
delicate tartan
Now deals 9 to 14 Fire damage at gem level 1 (from 7 to 10) and 1095 to 1643 Fire damage at level 20 (from 890 to 1335).
Now has an added damage effectiveness of 180% (from 160
cedar pewter
convert 30% to cold, for example, and you've already reduced 2115 of that damage. Almost the same effect except almost zero effort put into it
violet nymph
decay even got buffed
cedar pewter
And that's assuming you only have 75 res
jagged imp
i was debating making one with fenumus toxins and cane of unravelling
lone parrot
what do you guys think of the loreweave nerf?
violet nymph
like decay bv was already a good build before this league
cedar pewter
Fitting
primal whale
How does one play Volatile dead this league? Or is it considered absolute garbage this league?
violet nymph
loreweave nerf was big, but item is still good, wich tells something about it's current state
delicate tartan
Remember that there's more max res sources now when looking at loreweave nerf
jagged imp
and it shows 2m shaper dps ( 5 second poison )
cedar pewter
VD is fine
primal whale
Then how do you play it?
cedar pewter
Probably PP, like usual
primal whale
Not worth anymore
delicate tartan
Is poets pen just stronger now btw?
icy lake
dual wield PP with barrage
swift pagoda
poet's pen might be dead
primal whale
You need to hit like 8-12 APS
cedar pewter
PP is better for VD
violet nymph
PP not dead lol
cedar pewter
worse for everything else
delicate tartan
This league is mine fireball anyway, you heard it here first
violet nymph
people made builds with just one PP before
primal whale
Barrage is terrible as a trigger
icy lake
barrage alternate your 2 PPs when attacking
cedar pewter
yeah
violet nymph
@delicate tartan I'm 100% planning to go fireball, but probably not mines .D
primal whale
Barrage has the weirdest animation to use as a trigger
swift pagoda
loosing the frenzy is quite big
icy lake
for CoC before PP was a thing
primal whale
Like 40% of your APS as wind up and then fires all projectiles with your remaining 60% of your APS
primal whale
You cant use Multistrike with barrage?
lone parrot
no
cedar pewter
You can link it though
for mana cost
Barrage chain gmp multistrike LGOH + whatever
throw in a couple fevered minds and you could hit 1k mana per cast pretty early on in indigon stacks
and barrage + gmp + lgoh was amazing survivability
ionic rampart
EK is back?
swift pagoda
EK might be back
swift pagoda
oh EK was pretty dead
cedar pewter
Skills fine, no ones playing it
delicate tartan
They upped freezing pulse too, I think leveling with spells will be very easy now, I don't know the values of every intermediate levels of the gems but if the buffs do start coming in early levels its gonna be fireball OS of act bosses
cedar pewter
I think storm brand will still be everyones go-to
delicate tartan
True
violet nymph
freezing pulses problem is never the damage
cedar pewter
It's really hard to beat brands for leveling
delicate tartan
Nerfed à bit though, right?
swift pagoda
a fully decked out UI crit scion reached a whopping 300K EK dps, it was pretty dead
violet nymph
the problem with freezing pulse is there is this tiny thing in the way and you can't do shit
cedar pewter
Im not sure ek buffs will fix that
delicate tartan
Oh I see
cedar pewter
damage is still fairly low in teh grand scheme of things
delicate tartan
Haha true
tame mason
ek totem ? 🤔
icy lake
might as well be shockwave totem
tame mason
key difference is with hits vs with your hits before
icy lake
delicate tartan
You take that unique you take that node and that weird interaction and boom elder is dead in the next map you haven't opened yet
violet nymph
but yeah, storm brand is still nice, didn't really change much
lone parrot
armageddon brand did however
drowsy pulsar
Needlessly
cedar pewter
541 damage on EK. 1369 avg dmg on fireball
violet nymph
arma brand got hit mostly because of activation freq
glacial willow
The poor fools at ggg didnt think of touching HoAg, now legions of mobs will pay the price
violet nymph
and the dmg nerf didn't help ofc
swift pagoda
new Ek is around 60% more dmg with the effectiveness buff
swift pagoda
it's phys
timid mango
because EK with jewel has much better clear than fireball, also
delicate tartan
EK is phys, good conversion shenanigans but that's about it
lone parrot
EK is phys and you can scale with phys as extra
icy lake
it is a phys spell which make it a good target for extra damage and conversion
cedar pewter
but extra JUST got nerfed
swift pagoda
can do some shaper stastick and new shaper chest shenanigans
delicate tartan
I don't like the EK nova idea though, even if it's strong af
cedar pewter
No more converting 3 times then doing batshit things with chaos extra
delicate tartan
Muh triple dipping!
rose atlas
Keep in mind fireball needs gmp
swift pagoda
it got nerfed on the crafting side, the stat itself is alive and well
rose atlas
So 1 less support and less damage multi
violet nymph
and?
rose atlas
For damage calcs
violet nymph
sure
delicate tartan
Fork and chain sup got upped a bit, I'm curious about what people will do with them, not op dps but might lead to cool stuff
cedar pewter
SPORK IS BACK BBY
rose atlas
Which puts it in the same ballpark as ek DPS wise
icy lake
if you never experienced spork
violet nymph
eh
cedar pewter
For trash, sure
swift pagoda
TS got buffed with the chain buff
cedar pewter
but you can swap out for bosses
EK doesn't have that luxury
DPS only matters on bosses anywyas, anything in full builds clearing lol
delicate tartan
1 less support gem but I don't think you get that much damage increase from a sup gem compared to its buff lmao
timid mango
most EK people used to do BV for bosses
violet nymph
I'd probably go ignite with fireball and use scorching for bosses
icy lake
spork totems was quiet the experience back in 1.x lol
icy lake
or 0.x
timid mango
but bv got hit yea
jade badger
Use bf?
violet nymph
BV is still good late
delicate tartan
Remember vaal spark dried lake farming?
rose atlas
Well dps still matters for packs when your build isn't finished
violet nymph
early no point tho
timid mango
i mean you're right that you don't need much dmg to clear maps, so then it boils down to the mechanics of the skill
swift pagoda
Voltaxic vaal spark was the tits
cedar pewter
And in that case, Vaal Fireball trumps basically everything
So you alternate between a slightly(arguably) inferior skill - fireball, and teh far superior VFB
vs ek nova
and you have better bossing w/ fireball
rose atlas
Doesn't VFB take a lot to get going now though?
timid mango
i mean with ek nova every cast is basically a vaal fireball in terms of clearing ability
cedar pewter
You don't really "get going" anymore
timid mango
ek + hatred + HoI
cedar pewter
VFB has far greater range
icy lake
you can't really spam VFB anymore
fast crest
I think Siphoning Trap has quietly received quite a large buff. Lv20 damage is almost double what it was, and it also got Cold DoT multi and things like Bonechill last patch
timid mango
actually you may not use hatred anymore, haven't done the math
violet nymph
why not just use scorching for bosses with fireball build...
graceful ravine
Herald of Agony wasn't nerfed, HELL YEAH!
cedar pewter
Lol
timid mango
siphoning trap is supposed to be a utility trap @fast crest
cedar pewter
But who cares about VFB and EK
tame mason
why go HoA again when u can go old buffed skills?
cedar pewter
SPORK IS BUFFED
violet nymph
scorching got buff too so it's going to be really good I think
rose atlas
All hail spork totems
quick raven
i c e t r a p
cedar pewter
SPORK TOTEM 86% BUFF LES GO
lone parrot
Spork
tame mason
guys cwc discharge with swift killer node lol
dapper oak
did arc get nerfed hard?
cedar pewter
Yup!
rose atlas
I may try self cast spork with that new support
dapper oak
f
cedar pewter
I'm calling it dead
icy lake
lol
rose atlas
Seems good
cedar pewter
people disagree tho
fast crest
Yes; halved Chain range, less damage
graceful ravine
@tame mason Because I had over 5M DPS with my HoA build last league and it was so tanky, could run any map mod.
tame mason
oh damn
dapper oak
wanted to try arc, but i guess minions it is
lone parrot
Im glad arc got nerfed
tame mason
arc were trash for a long time before rework lol
violet nymph
you can still play arc
lone parrot
Anyone is trying out divine ire?
lone parrot
Shockwave totem tho... hm
rose atlas
Wasn't Vaal spark already pretty good last patch?
rose atlas
I think you actually can with the flasks
violet nymph
I mean they buffed a lot of skills that was pretty good and nerfed a lot of skills that was pretty bad 😄
icy lake
spark was good, but there was no reason to play it with arc being teh way it was
cedar pewter
You can't get the flask atm, can you?
icy lake
so the arc tone down is well deserved
cloud dome
I'll be trying divine Ire, which is an indication it's gonna be shit (my other leaguestarters include SST and steel skills)
rose atlas
Saw cutedog do it but obviously that's absurd budget
cedar pewter
Oh I didn't even know it was obtainable
violet nymph
RMTdog xD
cedar pewter
That's not that bad
tame mason
lol cutedog is borderline unattainable build
cedar pewter
How's it obtainable?
timid mango
@cloud dome can you start something else then? i want to start divine ire
rose atlas
So whether it works without an insane ex stack idk
cedar pewter
Oh the tmeple's back isn't it
timid mango
Incursion boss drop
cedar pewter
Neat. 😄
violet nymph
devine ire will be good if the dmg is high enough
cloud dome
Basically seems like scourge arrow 2: electric boogaloo
violet nymph
but it needs that damg
lone parrot
Hope so atleast
cedar pewter
I'm a little worried Ire is going to suck on bosses
since you can't get stages on trash then
violet nymph
like if ire has enough dmg to tap stuff like flameblast it's going to be good
cedar pewter
granting additional stages based on nearby enemies you damage.
I mean this in particular
cloud dome
Yeah, but you get fewer hits against bosses
hearty minnow
GUYS If they buffed stormcall they buffed the vaal skill as well ?
cedar pewter
Can you spoiler tag in disco?
violet nymph
it gives an extra stage on a unique tho I think doesn't it ?
lone parrot
You talking about divine ire?
fast crest
@cedar pewter Divine Ire always gets 2 stages when it hits Uniques/Rares. It should be fine
cedar pewter
Ah, that's cool
lone parrot
Spell blade flurry pretty much lul
cedar pewter
...the new support is going to make a LOT of things good to just stand still
lone parrot
Along with passive nodes
cedar pewter
This is going to be a rippy league for a lot of people
who value damage over not dying lol
violet nymph
I mean if you channel on packs you will clear slow and if you channel on bosses you'll loose out on the extra stages for uniqes right?
cedar pewter
It zaps at steady frequencies from what I've seen
we'll know more when it comes out
violet nymph
yeah the small ones yeah
cedar pewter
tomorrow
Intensify Support: Supported skills have less Area of Effect but deal more Area damage per Intensity. Supported skills gain Intensity when used, and lose Intensity while moving or upon teleporting.
violet nymph
the big one comes when you release
violet nymph
ire is channeling what?
cedar pewter
No I mean intensify
I thought it was ONLY for channeling
it works for ANY aoe tho
violet nymph
oh like that
cedar pewter
just gotta stand still
violet nymph
I see
violet nymph
well I don't see the point of standing still in this game if you can avoid it tbh
cedar pewter
You do it all the time though
Whenever you go in "dps mode" you stand still while holding right click/q/whatever button you use lol
fast crest
In something not entirely related to spells but more to skills like Smite
The Rippleing Thoughts got quite a nice buff
0.6 Added Damage -> 1.0; and half cooldown
violet nymph
eh
fast crest
Could be good for some sort of Cast on Crit Smite
violet nymph
they add shit to patch notes like that all the time
cedar pewter
Path of Exile no longer supports the Windows XP lol
cloud dome
They teased music updates like a month ago
violet nymph
eyah
dusty salmon
@cedar pewter Unnecessary nerf to computer viability.
cedar pewter
hahah
drowsy pulsar
lol
dusty salmon
WinXP is the best OS ever released.
violet nymph
naw, they had to discontinue shit
dusty salmon
7 beign a close second.
drowsy pulsar
Yeah, compatibility with older OSs and systems holds back progress.
FF14 did the same thing recently
well, not recently, but in recent memory
cedar pewter
Honestly, I like 10. Both because C# is easier to work with than C++ and because the thing doesn't have hardly any major technical issues
drowsy pulsar
Not anymore anyway
cedar pewter
It sucked on release, but so did 7 lol
dusty salmon
I program SAP ABAP.
drowsy pulsar
But yeah Win10 is solid NOW
cedar pewter
lol
drowsy pulsar
that's why people resist moving to the newest versions of shit.
cloud dome
Also, XP is about as secure as locking your door with a piece of string
cedar pewter
LOL
drowsy pulsar
They usually shit the bed right out of the gate
cedar pewter
Too accurate
dusty salmon
You don't have bill gates spying on you
Nor selling your data to porn sites and facebook
violet nymph
you can turn that off flandre
cedar pewter
Nah, you just have everyone else spying on you
violet nymph
^
dusty salmon
I run without an AV/Firewall, honestly.
cedar pewter
Which is fine if you treat it like a public computer lol
dusty salmon
If some kid wants to enter my computer and has the knowledge, he'll break through firewall regardless, so why care.
cedar pewter
HIGHLY doubt it
violet nymph
firewalls are not for that flandre
cedar pewter
never use your credit cards...never type passwords in...
dusty salmon
I do that on my mobile phone.
cedar pewter
Never use any software w/o 2-factor security
violet nymph
never use discord as some person could use your account to make you look bad to your friends...
violet nymph
blocked
dusty salmon
@violet nymph what friends? 😃
cedar pewter
I was thinking arrested
violet nymph
ah
cedar pewter
Also your computer is almost definitely part of a botnet
dusty salmon
Likely.
cedar pewter
So that arrested part is still on the table
dusty salmon
Those far-left russian hackers will enter regardless
no real security can prevent that other than plugging it out of the inet
cedar pewter
I'll take my security of 10 over the security risks of xp lol
cloud dome
Your power bill is paying for someone's bitcoins or illegal activity
strange furnace
Is the previous "50% increased total recovery per seconds of life steal" the same as the new "50% increased life leeched per seconds?"
cedar pewter
Windows XP
and how insecure it is
especially now that everyones dropping support for it
cedar pewter
wat
dusty salmon
Just use LGoH
barren crescent
wut
dusty salmon
LGoH is much better imo
cedar pewter
Then overleech? I disagree
barren crescent
Arc retained its dps, lost bit of added dmg and it no longer clears packs 2 screens away from the 1st pack
timid mango
lgoh has pretty much always been better than normal leech, just harder to get and most skills dont use it as effectively as leech
dusty salmon
The only use for overleech over LGoH is when you don't expect to hit anything within a couple secs
cedar pewter
Those were the days...
dusty salmon
Really? wasn't playing back then
dusty salmon
I started in like beta or release, played to... 18? and left. And joined back at start of delve
cedar pewter
but there's not a lot of source sfor LGOH
timid mango
yea Vaal Pact used to make your leech instant
cedar pewter
it also doesn't work AT ALL with ES
cedar pewter
Atziri's gloves made leech instant too
dusty salmon
There's a claw that gives instant leech iirc
strange furnace
Is it still fine to play 2x bloodseeker vaal double strike as a league starter? I'm not slayer so I should be fine?
cedar pewter
Bloodseekers
dusty salmon
LGoH main source is my favourite ring, the one that disables the other slot
IT gives quite a lot of ele resist, and the Life/Mana gain on hit can just sustain you easy.
swift pagoda
Thief's torment is a nice item
dusty salmon
Lategame it's nowhere as good as having two rings, but for anything under lvl 80+ / red tier? wonderful.
timid mango
abused it with MS to get my first uber elder kill
jade badger
^
swift pagoda
it's a great MF ring
jade badger
Thats really its only purpose
cedar pewter
You basically give up 150 flat life and a bit of resistances end-game though, on top of whatever else.
jade badger
And an MF ring too if you cant afford two ventors
cedar pewter
I mean
cloud dome
It's a nice budget option, similar to having two ventors with 8% and mid level res
cedar pewter
everyone can afford 2 ventors 😛
dusty salmon
That's likely my favourite item in the game
cedar pewter
Just a question of how good are they
dusty salmon
ANd it's not expensive, i bought it at week 1 for like 10c.
timid mango
Elder rings are better but i didn't want to keep changing up my tree
swift pagoda
shit ventors were pretty pricey in betreyal
timid mango
so i had no mana leech or mgoh
tame mason
all of shadow inc dmg node and new es leech cluster for another inc dmg node. looking good for ED
tame mason
it's not that kind of buff
dusty salmon
@jade badger Because i don't rush and i don't gain lots of currency, i don't RMT, and i don't play the market.
So i will get to maps roughly day 3.
tame mason
the aoe is just splash no dmg. to give mini contagion effect
cedar pewter
The AOE splash gives it "area" on gem
jade badger
You can buy two ventors after 5th day
dusty salmon
With negative quant? 😛
tame mason
Now explodes on impact, applying the Essence Drain debuff to enemies in a small radius. This explosion deals no hit damage. As a result of this change, Essence Drain now has the Area gem type.
rose atlas
There's no area damage on ED
cedar pewter
Nuu 😦
jade badger
Nope
cedar pewter
I was so excited for that
jade badger
Its very easy lmao
cedar pewter
lol
tame mason
so u just invest in inc aoe to dump contagion. that's it.
rose atlas
Just an aoe in which a dot is applied
cedar pewter
Contagion makes you clear as long as you can keep up
jade badger
for bossing now
drowsy pulsar
Ah, i see people still dont' seem to realize not everyone plays the same.
rose atlas
Lol no way you can dump contagion
jagged imp
does BV proc mjolner?
dusty salmon
I wish i played back when the area upgrades were to radius rather than area itself.
cedar pewter
You can't dump contagion
drowsy pulsar
Soulrend
dusty salmon
Now area upgrade buffs are barely useful.
drowsy pulsar
ED is single target
cedar pewter
I highly doubt soulrend beats contagion
jade badger
And ED is for god single target
tame mason
they claimed soulrend is to go with ed. so imma do that
languid path
@jagged imp no
cedar pewter
Soulrend is for occultists imo
tame mason
and we will know if soulrend/bane is good or not with lvl 20 gem reveal tmw
jade badger
Yeah, go with ED
timid mango
soulrend basically works like ED
drowsy pulsar
Soulrend is for DoT builds
jagged imp
@languid path kay
timid mango
i don't see how they work "together"
drowsy pulsar
I'm doing trickster
cedar pewter
If you're not breaking chains
jade badger
Soulrend is just ED but it doesnt suck now in terms of clear
drowsy pulsar
They don't
cedar pewter
I can't IMAGINE soulrend beating contagion ed for clearspeed
drowsy pulsar
ED is just a stronger DoT
jade badger
@timid mango They work together cause they build off eachother's weaknesses
violet nymph
mjølner is on hits with the weapon itself, not hits in general
drowsy pulsar
and can stack with Soulrend's
jade badger
^that too
tame mason
decay support gem stack as well and it got buffed too
timid mango
i guess for single target it makes sense
drowsy pulsar
so you wanna use it WITH soulrend cuz SR's not likely gonna be the best single target
Not alone anyway
drowsy pulsar
You COULD just go ED Contagion
jade badger
Did the shadow tree
cedar pewter
I don't think SR is going to be very popular after the 1st month. ED COnt just seems ebtter in every way
drowsy pulsar
But I personally never really enjoyed that playstyle
jade badger
Get buffed with its new es nodes
cedar pewter
Also it's not a projectile so lolnowalls
jade badger
Since its flat?
ivory nimbus
Wouldn't you want SR for ES based builds? ED goes towards life/SR to ES
drowsy pulsar
I'm not a blitzer, I can take my time to deal with the downfalls of a gem
That is true
jade badger
Actually wait
cedar pewter
I'd rather Soulrend deal as much damage as ED and not give any regen at all
drowsy pulsar
BUt then, Trickster can do both
jade badger
The new ES nodes on Shadow
cedar pewter
Then I could feel comfortable just playing SR/Bane
jade badger
The one replacing Nullification
tame mason
soulrend only give u leech on hit dmg not the dot xd
drowsy pulsar
Occultist doesn't really NEED the leech cuz it has such stupid recharge
jade badger
Is it a nerf? Or a buff
Cause I have 247% increased ES
so I'm guessing flat es will scale into numbers such as 100
cedar pewter
Occultist will LIVE SR though
ivory nimbus
like GGG is hinting heavily to pair SR up with Tricker's new Eva/ES build I think
cedar pewter
love* damn my brain ain't worken too well this morning
drowsy pulsar
Yeah, trickster can get more out of SR's inherent leech
ivory nimbus
or yeah just Occultist
jade badger
Also uh
Is it worth it to sacrifice
two es nodes
To get retribution and amplify
for ED
ivory nimbus
but just because they want you to do it doesn't mean it's good xD
jade badger
https://pastebin.com/SXuEVpsU This one
cedar pewter
Profane Bloom fucks over Essence Drain
jade badger
I put anger and hatred cause I think zealotry and malevolence will reserve as much mana as act 3 auras
cedar pewter
so I can see SR being very popular for occultist
jade badger
You dont really need all that special
stuff
Cause the way I built it
You can easily swap out
languid path
yeah the new auras are 50%
jade badger
faster proj and greater multiple
tame mason
confirmed?
jade badger
for slower proj and void manip
tame mason
no way it's 50%/ tjhat's excesive
languid path
on the show case video
jade badger
Also cool @languid path Least I know I have enough mana then
tame mason
oo
jade badger
the other act 3 auras are 50% too right
cedar pewter
50% aura is fine as long as it's strong
burnt finch
Infused Channeling + Blight -> More Chaos Damage for ED/SoulR?
timid mango
i guess it'll be based on the gem data that I decide how exactly I want to do my build
cedar pewter
End-game you don't even use despair, usually, unless your flask wears out lol
wanton flower
timid mango
debating between some chaos spells, worb cwc ice spear, or incinerate
cedar pewter
I'm thinking fireball
drowsy pulsar
Endgame I don't want to be close enough to anything for witchfire to be worth shit
I like casters being not melee ranged
cedar pewter
A lot of bosses punish you for being far away
timid mango
I feel like people are sleeping on Bane
cedar pewter
ah..then you don't need despair at all lol
timid mango
it's an instant cast curse applicator
cedar pewter
Wait, bane is instant?
violet nymph
ye
cedar pewter
Das way better than I thought
violet nymph
but self cast curse is uggles
cedar pewter
Don't use them then?
timid mango
"Bane is a new skill that instantly applies a damage over time effect in a large area"
icy lake
we'll see
swift pagoda
I really hope the numbers are good on it
cedar pewter
Wait, didn't temp chains and enfeeble get buffed for bosses?
burnt finch
I'll actually go with two leagues ED starter back to back. Just to savor those buffs. And Bane will be in there too.
drowsy pulsar
No, they got nerfed for bosses
timid mango
@cedar pewter those 2 were nerfed
swift pagoda
they got a light nerf
drowsy pulsar
it's damage curses that got buffed
swift pagoda
damage curses got buffed big time
cedar pewter
I thought they went from 80% reduced effectiveness to 66%
drowsy pulsar
Yes but TC and Enfeeble got their own special caps
swift pagoda
temp chains and enfeeble apply at half value to bosses now
timid mango
i feel like even non chaos builds could potentially use bane
tame mason
read patch note aggain. seperate value for enfeeble and temp chain.
drowsy pulsar
Specifically because THEY can trivialize the content
icy lake
but the separate stat for those 2 curses make the actual effect lower
like old enfeeble was 6% actual effect, but with new enfeeble is 5%
timid mango
if you're using offensive curses vs bosses, i'd much rather do instant case bane + EW + specific ele curse or something
cedar pewter
So temp/enfeeble apply at half value AND there's a 66% reduced curse effectiveness?
jade badger
I just want despair, and witchfire brew fills in tha tgap
Yes @cedar pewter
Its just that offensive curses
Are the best now against bosses
timid mango
instead of reserving 70% mana or using Wmoh rings, oos/coh etc
swift pagoda
ye it's a 1% more dmg tanken in the end or smt
cedar pewter
So..enfeeble/temp chains will be 17% as effective instead of 20%?
limpid current
enfeeble/temp chains are essentially garbage against bosses now tbh
violet nymph
EK is gonna be Pog
swift pagoda
pretty much you went from a 6% dmg reduction to 5% on lvl 20 enfeeble
icy lake
because it's not 20% to 17%, lol
drowsy pulsar
because it was already bad to begin with
icy lake
for bosses it was 6%, now it's 5%
drowsy pulsar
they were just better than nothing
swift pagoda
how is 6% less dmg taken bad
cedar pewter
If the apply at half value and then are decreased by 66%, that's 17%
swift pagoda
it's not exactly half, they have a specific amount
timid mango
seems like life leech is still a problem for spells
icy lake
so actual effect is 34%
cedar pewter
Yes
swift pagoda
but roughly half
timid mango
that might be enough of a reason to go ES
cedar pewter
.34*.5 =.17
icy lake
...
cedar pewter
We need SR numbers before we can say that lol
burnt finch
sr as in soul rend, right?
icy lake
they pretty much already said soul rend will have enough damage to clear maps
icy lake
so i'm not worried about it for that aspect
and ED will be for single target with the buffs
jade badger
@icy lake Also hey Soulrend gems same thing as ED gems right
swift pagoda
I want to know if I can farm shaper with SR on leaguestart
jade badger
Except swift affliction and void manip is replaced by gmp and faster proj