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gaunt loom
hollow mason
the best choice for melee is heavy strike
icy lake
🤔 self cast unleash discharge build
worldly scaffold
death aura more damageeee
cloak of tawmr isley still useless but at least we can get it (after one league of being unable to)
gaunt loom
storm call seems good now
hollow mason
no idea how storm call usable
icy lake
vaal storm call deleted uber elder two patches ago, lel
lunar stirrup
Guys is it possible to play Slayer and take Ghost Reaver?
icy lake
omg play slayer
lunar stirrup
I wan the overcap leech
gaunt loom
@icy lake that was with uberexpensive gear
lunar stirrup
So that when do lab my ES won't drop when burst through traps
hollow mason
if u wanna to overcap glitch - use 3d-party software
icy lake
the travel tho
languid path
no slayer overleech does not apply to ES
icy lake
maybe scion with slayer + something else?
lunar stirrup
meh is no that far
languid path
well, after this patch it won't
icy lake
if they are specific, guess it won't
languid path
it works now
lunar stirrup
will it legitly make all my leech modifier apply to ES?
icy lake
energy shield leech is becoming completely separate from life leech
so slayer's overleech is only applying to life leech
languid path
but after this patch es leech will be implemented differently due to the new ES leech stat
gaunt loom
whispering ice storm item got buffed?
languid path
so overleech and es will no longer work
hollow mason
what about pyre avatar of fire crit freezing pulse on low-life Occu?
icy lake
since it was a skill from item
lunar stirrup
god damn GGG wording is fucking confusing
teal axle
I dunno if Spark or Storm brand, but probably occultist because lol actually playing a hybrid
grizzled raven
Why convert wonderful cold to awful fire?
languid path
You will leech life instantly, and recover ES instead from that instant leech when life is full. It will still be isntant.
Also, in contrast to the current mechanics, a single instance of life leech can bring you to full life and then apply the remainder of it's effect to ES (regardless of whether you make it instant or not), because it's only changing where the recovery goes, not anything about what the leech is.
In the previous version the excess from that leech was wasted, and when you next caused leech, because you were now on full life, the new leech was modified to apply to ES (because that was something that needed to be determined when the leech occured and couldn't change).```spark with fork 
hollow mason
apocalypse theme
spare talon
poe website is back
lunar stirrup
thx @languid path
icy lake
i kinda want to revisit good old spork totem build from beta
gaunt loom
damn it, still no fix for walls/doorwayrs for projectils gems
violet nymph
@languid path is this real
hollow mason
@grizzled raven to use that sweet anger with 45 crit multi watcher's eye and inc damage or pen :-3
icy lake
the overleech es/life thing? should be
lunar stirrup
man i wish POB stat will convert the words when taking GHost Reaver
violet nymph
so life leech is now instant?
lunar stirrup
but it doesn't work =/
grizzled raven
not good enough
lunar stirrup
lel no
icy lake
no
grizzled raven
45 crit multi isn't remotely enough
lunar stirrup
is still the same, just different ... "calculation"
languid path
well, here's another quote to clarify
Previously, PoE had no ES leech, but Ghost Reaver applied life leech to ES (in a specific way). That is no longer the case.
In 3.6.0, ES leech exists distinct from life leech, and is it's own thing. Ghost Reaver now works by making any effect that would give you life leech give you ES leech instead. Because this is ES Leech and not Life Leech, no modifiers that apply to Life Leech will affect it. Only modifiers to ES leech will affect it.
Vaal Pact only affects life leech, and thus has no interaction with ES leech.
The unique Soul Tether has a different mechanic, which is also changed. It lets you leech life, but while you're on full life, your life leech effects are not removed from you, and those life leech effects will recover energy shield rather than life. They are still life leech effects, not ES leech, and thus are scaled based on life, and affected by life leech modfiiers, not ES leech modifiers. This is so that item can continue to fulfill it's role of letting hybrid ES/life builds use life leech to recover both statuses.```@grizzled raven yeah, u getting flat to spells on top, cause u using anger
languid path
so after 3.6 patch es leech is a whole different thing, not just life leech applied to es
icy lake
i was pretty set on ED/soul rend for a starter...'
but now i'm thinking about forking fireball
or spork totems
god help me
dusty cove
thinking FP in to ice traps
past obsidian
@icy lake The gods will not be watching
leaden wraith
forking fireballs
grizzled raven
but its going to have st problems
signal gyro
I think divine ire templar getting like 70% crit chance + lucky flask is going to be lit as fuck
icy lake
but that would be my only concern
hollow mason
why you need to fork fireballs, while packs boom boom due to ignite, once it hits em
grizzled raven
lol ignite
signal gyro
first time in many many leagues i wanna league start w/ a new build, and divine ire will hit hard enough that the shock it applies will be lit too
icy lake
because flat damage and more damage effectiveness for on hit is buffed
signal gyro
if the #s on it work out
icy lake
while ignite didn't get shet
restive phoenix
I'd kinda like to try out cremation with the buffs it got but the corpse requirement is kinda meh.
hollow mason
the more damage your initial hit have - than more damage u deal with ignite
icy lake
it's a matter of scaling, lol
hollow mason
so, why to not ignite
icy lake
limit yourself to just % fire damage
or use every source of additional damage possible
and i've done ignite stacking build last league
halcyon veldt
i really wanna see the unleash gem
icy lake
with fireball the clear was excellent
halcyon veldt
i remember before betrayal we actually got to see a linked gem
icy lake
but for bosses it wasn't enough unless i used ignite stacking
halcyon veldt
is that gonna happen with synthesis too?
icy lake
tomorrow we see actual gems i think
cedar pewter
Cold snap got slightly nerfed end-game?
rough edge
Curious to see the exact amount of time it takes for each stack of unleash to charge
icy lake
cold snap was pretty good? 200k dot damage with inc area gem
hollow mason
Do u used EE and EO and gmp to additional support swap on bosses? LeCrash
past obsidian
They buffed incinerate
icy lake
and bonechill
past obsidian
Incinerate is pretty cool now
cedar pewter
Is 200k pretty good? That sounds awful
grizzled raven
they buffed cold dot
halcyon veldt
dead mobs are still dead
grizzled raven
fucking 3.2dps nerf on cold snap
icy lake
200k is enough to clear mobs @cedar pewter
and applying bonechill to let vortex hit over 1mil dps easily
pliant heath
jokes on u guys im still going melee noobs
icy lake
so that really doesn't change
halcyon veldt
firestorm might end up being surprisingly good with unleash
cedar pewter
I played it wrong lol I tried to make it a single-skill wonder
Couldn't kill bosses for shit 😛
icy lake
lol
spare talon
maybe with crit buffs and new crafting potential I can make Storm Brand slayer crit build really strong? 🤔
cedar pewter
Woah cremation got a rather significant buff
icy lake
i mean, with conc effect my cold snaps were still doing 500kish dot
violet nymph
for storm brand I'd probably just roll with inquis
halcyon veldt
i wonder if blade vortex works with unleash
violet nymph
so can anyone remind me - does "X% increased damage with two-handed weapons" mean that you deal more damage when you are holding a 2-handed weapon or that you deal more damage with attacks using a 2-handed weapon?
grizzled raven
cold dot also gets: additional curse effectiveness, new aura
icy lake
but i opted to not use conc because i wanted my snaps to cover 2/3 the screen, lol
grizzled raven
and none of its shit got hit
cedar pewter
I'm still in the Ds lol there's so much stuff
violet nymph
I am 99% sure it does @halcyon veldt
cedar pewter
Ohh Intensity
icy lake
i actually wasn't thinking about that, but that's a QoL change for WOrb and BV
cedar pewter
That looks awesome
pliant heath
imo the new cons groun inquis nodes are lackluster and overhyped
grizzled raven
inquisitor is the champion of last league
cedar pewter
Divine Ire was MADE for intensify, I think
violet nymph
Would be cool if it worked with flameblast tho xD
icy lake
overhyped? 10% more damage taken and a bunch of free regens is pretty significant
violet nymph
@languid path thanks....and man, that makes building a spell-focused slayer (almost) impossible without wasting stats lol
spare talon
Tombfist no longer grants 6-10% increased Attack Speed. Existing versions of this item will lose the increased Attack Speed if a Divine Orb is used. Do it. We dare you 🤔
junior sparrow
So, it will be possible to chance headhunter in this league? (zana's nemesis mode)
pliant heath
or u can take the node that gives u 40% dmg by ignoring pen
icy lake
or you take both
hollow wharf
languid path
chuanhsing fork pob please
icy lake
keep in mind blight nerfs
marble quest
@junior sparrow yeah
shut ferry
wow neat thanks for the howto link
hollow wharf
ggg hire openarl for game develop not pob
grizzled raven
GGG really should pay openarl to update pob
cedar pewter
Ya'know, they're buffing "hand casting" but all of these seem like huge buffs for totems lol
sterile brook
sterile brook
theoretically if we pay him enough more than GGG pays him he can do POB full time 😛
languid path
k we have 20k members
magic blade
everyone donate 3usd
languid path
each of us $1 a month
magic blade
and hes good for a year
sly tusk
eh, he last updated PoB on the 13th of January, the days of him keeping it up to date in a timely manner are over
magic blade
you dont right? with donations
timid mango
where are the consecrated ground changes
cedar pewter
Wow, that GC Nerf
sterile brook
!serverinfo
proper voidBOT
/r/PathOfExile
sterile brook
we got 66k peeps
cedar pewter
Kinda wish they reduced the cast time to .6
languid path
66k members lol
sly tusk
gotta hope the POESkillTree guy will keep updating his program for the better
grizzled raven
damn openarl having a job
languid path
ok $700k a year
violet nymph
Did pob get updated?
silver kettle
as opposed to bots
past obsidian
If someone is willing to takeover pob is openarl going to let them
gaunt loom
They didnt even fix projectiles for doorways 😦
cedar pewter
Ayy, Ice Trap might not suck finally
past obsidian
@cedar pewter I waited for 4 leagues
It's finally getting a major buff
I don't even know why it got a nerf back in the trap reworks
silver kettle
no one knows
pliant heath
just go trickster toxic rain, still be able to use quill rain to kill uber elder and be tankier now ur welcome
silver kettle
that was one of the dumbest balance changes GGG has ever done lol
cedar pewter
Some intern put it in as a joke
grizzled raven
the slayer nerf would like a word
hollow mason
the only improvement for freezepulse and other proj based spells i expected. But, They didnt even fix projectiles for doorways
sly tusk
poeskilltree is updated, it has a jank DPS calculation in alpha form now though
cedar pewter
what slayer nerf?
sly tusk
leech
grizzled raven
leech can only last 5 seconds now
placid grotto
I'm surprised GGG's HR/legal allows him to continue PoB
teal axle
it was immensely popular
grizzled raven
scion was already strictly better than slayer
sly tusk
they should have waited until 3.7 so that slayer wasn't actual garbage
cedar pewter
lol
icy lake
overleech was too strong
past obsidian
uncut hull
do you guys thing arc/gc mines will still be viable
icy lake
that's basically end of story, lol
placid grotto
Scion Slayer is/was popular. Slayer not so much
teal axle
overleech was probably the second strongest defensive mechanism after max resist abuse
sly tusk
they should have nerfed scion overleech, slayer overleech should have stayed until the rework
cedar pewter
Ehh
swift pagoda
GC got shrecked
grizzled raven
once scion slayer got overleech I can't think of a single reason to use slayer
cedar pewter
I disagree
uncut hull
yeah they did GC dirty
icy lake
overleech will still be strong with fast attacking skills
cedar pewter
That stupid necklace was the strongest
placid grotto
You'd use Slayer for overkill leech
copper kernel
gc got hardly touched
teal axle
the necklace also got nerfed Iks
placid grotto
which helps in Delve
placid grotto
but that is ocmpletely dumpstered
cedar pewter
I'd say it was 3rd
icy lake
overleech just sucks for the heavy single hit skills now
cedar pewter
but gluttony used veil of night
Like..it's as far from max res as you could get lol
sterile brook
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/axvzqi/analysis_of_buffsnerfs_to_spells_in_36_wgoogle/
easy chart of buffs / nerfs at a base level, without considering radius, etc, with some assumptions in the thread
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485224316938747915/552749530681180170/unknown.png
icy lake
oh right, shockwave totems
grizzled raven
hotdamn shockwave totem
icy lake
that was a buffed skill
teal axle
I called a shockwave totem buff
grizzled raven
no longer a meme
cedar pewter
Jeesus shockwave totem
placid grotto
Ironically, overleech was killed in part due to low level Delve. But the build that excels at it (and really only low level delving) is just fine
icy lake
i mean...
cedar pewter
That hasn't been good since..what
grizzled raven
also ice trap might be viable?
cedar pewter
talisman?
grizzled raven
lightning tendrils actually good?!
cedar pewter
Tendrils was good before
sly tusk
thats effective for self cast, traps/mines might be a nerf to some of those skills
past obsidian
Lightning Tendrils still has an AOE issue
cedar pewter
My guild leader played it every damn league
past obsidian
We have to see how much they buffed it
cedar pewter
Arc / Tendrils
spare talon
@sterile brook i have more accurate version of this
icy lake
actually
spare talon
icy lake
Tendrils died
sterile brook
oo
you got a thread?
grizzled raven
you can always inpulsa tendrils
sly tusk
why use tendies when you can be an orb-boi?
sterile brook
may be worth posting in that guy's thread to compare methodology
uncut hull
thanks @spare talon
spare talon
@sterile brook found it on reddit
gleaming nest
Will mf build be good again cuz burial is t6 again?
leaden wraith
so you can say that you're playing lightning tendies
cedar pewter
When was mf bad?
sly tusk
MF is always good
icy lake
mf build has never been bad
gleaming nest
I dunno it was nerfed
cedar pewter
What, mf?
icy lake
???
cedar pewter
What was nerfed about it?
uncut hull
@gleaming nest i'd assume it will be better than it was
leaden wraith
nerfed =/= bad
placid grotto
Magic Find?
barren crescent
Those EK changes YIKES
icy lake
this coming league is gona be insance for MF
gleaming nest
NICE
sly tusk
dude, the money you made from doctor cards was only a small portion of what you made from MF
copper kernel
MF 
gleaming nest
windripper qotf stuff or are there new leaked mf items?
Or are there esentially better mf builds?
icy lake
no mf items or skills get changed
placid grotto
IMO you'll make a lot more money this next league by MF BC because of Syndicate being added
icy lake
it's just the quants on memory frag chaining
placid grotto
it's essentially free money since you're farming anyways
icy lake
should be pretty insane
cedar pewter
Woah shockwave won't cost a billion mana anymore
I might give SWT a chance again
56% damage buff lol jeesus
gleaming nest
So mf windripper with Qotf?
icy lake
i mean... mechanically it is still weak, SWT that is
gleaming nest
or better builds that i dont know of
past obsidian
EK's buff is quite big too
radiant pelican
why did they nerf gc miners THAT much?
cedar pewter
SWT's never been very weak though
grizzled raven
ek nova back on the menu
gleaming nest
SWT?
cedar pewter
mechanically, I mean
radiant pelican
i mean
grizzled raven
oshit with unleash ek nova is actually pretty good
cedar pewter
It hits 3/4s of a screen
placid grotto
GC mines is now the best lab runner
gaunt loom
deserved
cedar pewter
ohnoz lol
placid grotto
since Slayer is dead
radiant pelican
no
grizzled raven
lol 2.7 -> 2mil
cedar pewter
Next patch is melee patch
radiant pelican
it's not deserved at all
grizzled raven
so sad
gaunt loom
It is
cedar pewter
What, GC miner nerf?
gleaming nest
What is SWT?
gaunt loom
It was way too strong.
cedar pewter
Ohh Spark got a huge buff
radiant pelican
and now it's as if i've never bought it
gaunt loom
i mean ur going to start over anyway on this league?
radiant pelican
i wanted to make a build that would oneshot shaper with 6-man hp in std
now it's impossible :c
gaunt loom
😐
icy lake
right, "impossible"
cedar pewter
holy shit, Spark got the biggest buff of any skill, i think
sly tusk
spark got extra buffed, due to new fork/chain support changes
cedar pewter
82%
radiant pelican
like
cedar pewter
Spark is gonna be meta, calling it now
teal axle
hush
radiant pelican
even with perfect gear and without nerf it was barely enough, i guess
grizzled raven
eh
radiant pelican
but now
grizzled raven
3.6 is going to be dot league
teal axle
I just want to play crit spark and enjoy my yellow maps in peace
gaunt loom
Dem scourge arrow chaos tho
icy lake
if you were trying to 1shot 6man shaper, going GC isn't really even your best option
radiant pelican
why
icy lake
scourge arrow exists
grizzled raven
^
radiant pelican
it's not better
icy lake
and that shet with standard league gears can hit over 10mil dps easily?
grizzled raven
scourge arrow is the new barrage
icy lake
lol
gaunt loom
Scourge arrow doorways tho 😭
icy lake
right?
teal axle
eh they hurt a bit
icy lake
arma brand got the relevant nerf
placid grotto
not that big of a change
radiant pelican
yeah
leaden wraith
arma brand took a bulk of the nerf
sly tusk
I think they're fine with that, they just don't want it to be as strong endgame
teal axle
yeah arma got kicked in the dick while storm brand is just sitting there chuckling
radiant pelican
but the storm brand was the op one all along
placid grotto
it's the Sunder for spells
radiant pelican
and it got nerfed less than the arma one
cedar pewter
I didn't even like arma
radiant pelican
🤔
placid grotto
use it for campaign then use your real skill
leaden wraith
i mean
icy lake
arma was already fairly cluncky to play with
past obsidian
It was good at bossing but that's about it
cedar pewter
Was it even good at bossing?
gaunt loom
is it just me or dont i see any selfcasts mechanics buff/rework?
cedar pewter
Storm brand melts them
past obsidian
Yes
placid grotto
because that's where GGG's nerf dart landed
past obsidian
It was pretty good at bossing
gaunt loom
just less mana and abit more dmg
leaden wraith
both brands were reasonably strong
past obsidian
But storm brand was good at both
icy lake
to be fair
cedar pewter
yeah, fair
past obsidian
Just slightly slower at bossing
icy lake
both brand was
cedar pewter
SRS got nerfed..why
icy lake
run circles around boss for x seconds
sly tusk
maybe they were carrying the storm brand and Armageddon brand nerfs and accidently dropped them, they forgot to label them, and accidently mixed up the changes
spare talon
Storm Brand Scion Slayer crit? 🤔
past obsidian
@cedar pewter Same like how they nerfed ice trap during the trap reworks, nobody knows
cedar pewter
SRS was unusable before this
past obsidian
I still never understood the ice trap nerf at that time
cedar pewter
now they nerfed it again
sly tusk
they hate people who level necros, duh
icy lake
yep, literally unusable
cedar pewter
You already don't use SRS when leveling necro
grizzled raven
ggg likes randomly nerfing things
grizzled raven
seriously though, rip melee this patch
past obsidian
@cedar pewter You mean you play stormbrand to 90
grizzled raven
literally only nerfed
radiant pelican
and yet they say they carefully think when making the changes 🤔
cedar pewter
Skeles > Storm brand
leaden wraith
its not like the SRS nerf changes anything to using SRS to level
past obsidian
No way
icy lake
err... not much about melee changed as far as i can tell
past obsidian
Skeles are no way faster than mapping with storm brand
cedar pewter
Oh no, not mapping
grizzled raven
tombfist, loreweave got nerfed
cedar pewter
but spectres are
icy lake
didn't use either in my past melee builds
past obsidian
@grizzled raven Loreweave nerf wasn't that bad
cedar pewter
Spectres are one of the faster map clearers
past obsidian
78% is still 3% more resist
icy lake
and they were all "fine"
copper kernel
your melee builds sound meh then
grizzled raven
also quality mods are now mutually exclusive
lunar tendon
Has "Crafting Unlocks from the prophecies related to members of the Pale Court as well as the unlock from The Pale Court encounter can now be used up to 6 times." been discussed yet?
grizzled raven
rip melee
spare talon
iam gonna melee again this league because everyone is gonna play spells
spare talon
icy lake
i wonder if the fireball buffs are gona affect the fireball ribbons
leaden wraith
just nice improvement imo
cedar pewter
Mobspells and our spells aren't the same
spare talon
melee for real mens
cedar pewter
They don't use our gems at certain levels or anything
leaden wraith
people who want the craft spend less money and time, people who bother doing it get to make money off selling it
icy lake
my very first character: forking fireball ribbon spectres lol
radiant pelican
what's the point of doing pale court, anyways?
copper kernel
recipes
icy lake
multimod
cedar pewter
multimod
leaden wraith
multimod craft
leaden wraith
is the main reason
radiant pelican
i see then
copper kernel
good is such a strong word
cedar pewter
Vortex got the tiniest nerf lol
icy lake
vortex went from doing 1.5mil dot to 1.45mil dot
past obsidian
Shadow is not going to get access to divine spells right
gaunt loom
storm burst seems good now?
icy lake
whoopy doo~
cedar pewter
Just make a templar first
icy lake
storm burst got a mechanic change so it is hard to say
tender tusk
20% EK buff is neat
lunar tendon
EK is gonna be strong this league
wet plaza
Not sure if that helps enough
cedar pewter
The 83% spark buff is fucking insane
violet nymph
Is the site back up?
cedar pewter
Yeah
icy lake
spork totem anyone?
tender tusk
I might mess with it a bit
violet nymph
Okay cool
spare talon
is there any Chaos Melee build?
icy lake
remember the beta days? xD
spare talon
🤔
leaden wraith
spork totems is back
violet nymph
Viper strike
cedar pewter
Spark gonna be meta, im so hyped
rough edge
There's that sword with phys converted to chaos
violet nymph
What happened to spark?
cedar pewter
SPODERS EVERYWHERE
past obsidian
Remember not to try the arsenal boss with spark
leaden wraith
viper strike
cedar pewter
It got an 83% buff
lunar tendon
yeah but 'that sword' is terrible xD
past obsidian
You can't hit the arsenal boss with spark
icy lake
spark got a effective 83% damage buff
leaden wraith
spark got buffed, fork got buffed
violet nymph
Noice
icy lake
ppl keep saying it can't hit arsenal boss
leaden wraith
yeah
icy lake
but just swap a ball lightning in there once
violet nymph
Why?
leaden wraith
now affects 40 targets
cedar pewter
Vaal cold snap was the cold righteous fire wasn't it?
past obsidian
But arsenal has good density
cedar pewter
You cast it and it puts a ring around you
gaunt loom
Scourge arrow seems more stronger now as chaos gem?
violet nymph
Yeah
lunar tendon
The website update broke it
leaden wraith
has an initial burst
lunar tendon
everything is now in 5 different languages
cedar pewter
Ahh
lunar stirrup
Guys the new enfeeble stat on magic/rare does stack with the old one?
or just replace?
leaden wraith
wdym
icy lake
it's a if normal mob use 1, if rare/boss use 2
violet nymph
What do you guys think of the amulet that gives Precision aura?
icy lake
no
lunar stirrup
damn so POWERFUL
violet nymph
Crit and accuracy
icy lake
it is one or the other?
cedar pewter
I have no fucking clue what infused channeling does
lunar stirrup
ok hang on
violet nymph
Enfeeble was nerfed I think
cedar pewter
Infusion grants more Damage of types matching the supported skill gem's tags.
violet nymph
Still the same curse
cedar pewter
wat?
leaden wraith
enfeeble was nerfed but boss curse effectiveness is also nerfed
lunar stirrup
Cursed enemies deal (21-30)% less Damage this is old
leaden wraith
so enfeeble is overall buffed
lunar stirrup
Now causes Rare and Unique enemies to deal 10% less damage at gem level 1, up to 15% less damage at gem level 20.```you dont get to keep old enfeeble if that's what you're asking
leaden wraith
it'll be up to 30%
lunar stirrup
it 30+21% less on magic mob?
leaden wraith
and if rare or unique, up to 15%
violet nymph
No
lunar stirrup
ah ...
leaden wraith
theres no flat 30%
gaunt loom
that whispering ice item, did it got buffed or?
leaden wraith
or 21%
icy lake
on shaper, old enfeeble did 6% less, new enfeeble does 5%
leaden wraith
whichever you took from old value
lunar stirrup
damn my boner fail ...
leaden wraith
the whole thing got changed
cedar pewter
Woah, Fork is HUGE
leaden wraith
@gaunt loom slight buffed
icy lake
same story
lunar stirrup
damn
gaunt loom
nice
leaden wraith
uber izaro is unique so
violet nymph
Making curses have different effectiveness against different rarity enemies seems kinda bs
icy lake
as long as it is a boss, curse effectiveness is 66% now
lunar stirrup
that's mean nerf on bosses?
leaden wraith
and has 66% less curse effectiveness
lunar stirrup
old 30
icy lake
slight nerf on enfeeble and temp chains for bosses
lunar stirrup
new 15 on uber elder? 😦
lunar stirrup
damn ...
leaden wraith
some people
cedar pewter
what?
cedar pewter
No
leaden wraith
feelsbadman
icy lake
old enfeeble = 6% actual effect, new enfeeble = 5%
icy lake
it is not 15
leaden wraith
you forgot curse effectiveness
lunar stirrup
owh
violet nymph
What's new shaper effectiveness?
leaden wraith
66% less
lunar stirrup
it didn't mention curse efectivemenss in patch note so ... didn't know that
icy lake
curse effect now is -66% from -80%
leaden wraith
which means 34% effectiveness
leaden wraith
at level 20
violet nymph
Are other curses unchanged?
icy lake
yes
leaden wraith
old enfeeble is 30%(effect) * 20% curse effectiveness
icy lake
so damage curses are MORE effective now
leaden wraith
new enfeeble is 15%(effect) * 34% curse effectivesness
icy lake
while enfeeble and temple chains are slightly less
leaden wraith
for bosses specifically
leaden wraith
to be more specific
cedar pewter
Innervate got a huge qol and significant damage buff
lunar stirrup
i dun even know i can do uber lab with my ES build anymore =/
leaden wraith
curse effectiveness on bosses got nerfed
cedar pewter
wait what
leaden wraith
curses directly didnt get buffed
violet nymph
It got buffed
cedar pewter
ES got buffed, how did uber lab get harder for you?
leaden wraith
enfeeble is outright weaker
languid path
they gave enfeblee and temp chain boss specific debuff
icy lake
curses got mana cost reduced. (this is a buff)
leaden wraith
being one of the most used curse
violet nymph
Boss specific mods are bs
cedar pewter
We already HAVE boss specific mods
cedar pewter
80% Less Curse Effectiveness
leaden wraith
you can't say its a buff when enfeeble and temp chains are outright worse tho
violet nymph
That's fine
cedar pewter
wat
cedar pewter
You just don't like it mechanically?
violet nymph
I'm talking about mods on the skill itself
icy lake
lol those two skills needed it tho
cedar pewter
Mods on skills become more transparent
leaden wraith
yeah
primal whale
🦀 Poet's Pen is gone 🦀
leaden wraith
im fine with them being nerfed
buts its not a buff to all curses when the 2 most used curse got nerfed
cedar pewter
Arc FINALLY got nerfed lol
solemn tiger
Freezing Pulse now hits like a freight train.
violet nymph
How much shaper slow does temp chains give now?
cedar pewter
heh sharper
leaden wraith
1% less
languid path
I mean, temp chain and enfeeble were borderline useless on bosses anyway, so this is a buff to dmg curse like despair and sruff
languid path
9.5%
icy lake
🤷 do the math, w/e effect it has on bosses * (1-0.66)
leaden wraith
and an arguable more % less on rares since only up to 15%
languid path
so almost the same as right now
and big news
because the less curse effect is lowered
which means
curse effect on tree is more potent
leaden wraith
^
icy lake
for damage curses
violet nymph
Noice
leaden wraith
for both
violet nymph
Is path of building still getting updates?
icy lake
i guess? but the two primary defensive curses are effectively slightly nerfed
leaden wraith
yeah
but curse effect
is considerably stronger
regardless on which curse
since more curse effect on boss
it stacks somewhat multiplicatively
leaden wraith
well
icy lake
did that with a zerker once
leaden wraith
CoC darkpact die every 2 seconds =b
icy lake
zerk dp was alright since you can warcry to heal the damage you take back
leaden wraith
dark pact
twin iris
Seriously though, the Aoe on Dark pact is insanely bad.
cedar pewter
Hrm
leaden wraith
yeah if you dont use it on skeletons it feels really meh
similarly to icenova without frostbolt
except ice nova has better aoe
cedar pewter
Poet's Pen now requires CRAZY levels of attack speed to be good
leaden wraith
just use barrage
cedar pewter
how does that help
violet nymph
Is path of building still getting updates?
cedar pewter
Barage isn't..that fast
icy lake
hrm... what would be an ascendency of choice for SELFCAST UNLEASH DISCHARGE 
violet nymph
Was loreweave nerfed?
cedar pewter
Wait, does barrage even have a attack speed modifier at all?
violet nymph
yes @violet nymph
violet nymph
How?
violet nymph
78% max res
cedar pewter
How would that help lol
leaden wraith
Dual wielding: The total number of projectiles fired by Barrage does not change while wielding two weapons. An attack with Barrage uses both weapons, alternating between each weapon for each projectile fired.
violet nymph
still going to be a good item
violet nymph
That's all that changed on it?
past obsidian
@carmine jungle What is that from
cedar pewter
Well then, Poet's pen unaffected lol
violet nymph
pretty much yeah¨
leaden wraith
its slightly affected in the sense that
cedar pewter
Although Arc is fucked
violet nymph
How about inpulsa?
cedar pewter
No more PP Arc/LW
leaden wraith
also you're not able to use frenzy anymore
violet nymph
What happened to arc?
cedar pewter
chain range shit on
leaden wraith
so you have to get frenzy elsewhere if you need more atk speed
cedar pewter
it can't jump from 1 pack to another pack
violet nymph
lower dmg, faster cast and 25 range down from 50
cedar pewter
You can still run frenzy just for frenzy charges
leaden wraith
i mean
cedar pewter
That's basically unchanged from the way it is now
cedar pewter
I think it deletes the skill from teh game lol
icy lake
oh. my. god.
leaden wraith
nah
cedar pewter
Which is something I've been a huge proponent for for 2 leagues now
icy lake
someone not overreacting to arc nerfs
icy lake
thanks for existing @violet nymph
leaden wraith
caues it means without inpulsa explosions your arc gurantee kills whole pack
leaden wraith
yeah
cedar pewter
I don't think I'm overreacting, I really think Arc is going to be almost entirely unplayed
violet nymph
unplayed maybe
leaden wraith
so a bad chain made it go to 2nd pack before you kill the first pack
icy lake
Arc will no longer be played in traps and mines
cedar pewter
Totems too
violet nymph
yup, hence why it was too good on mines pretty much
icy lake
but for self casting the dps is about the same
cedar pewter
The DPS isn't the problem
violet nymph
Arc vaporized packs instantly
leaden wraith
so they nerfed arc mines and arc totems, good, next
icy lake
totems did get multiple totem support
placid grotto
IDK if I would call arc a nerf
violet nymph
SRS got nerfed haha xD
cedar pewter
How wouldn't you call it a nerf lol
icy lake
it is a nerf for inpulsa arc abusers
icy lake
but otherwise it is fine the way it is
leaden wraith
arc was definitely too strong
placid grotto
because now arc will stay in the same pack and kill all of them instead of leaping to an adjacent one and leaving stragglers
eager terrace
I mean sometimes it will jump
it really just depends on whether there are stragglers
cedar pewter
It's a nerf for anyone with 10+ chains and about the same prior to that.
placid grotto
it'll be more consistent now IMO
cedar pewter
it's a HUGE nerf to totems though
icy lake
do consider you can reasonably put fork on arc again
cedar pewter
I think it makes totem, pp, mine and trap arcs borderline unplayable
eager terrace
why?
violet nymph
Why totems?
eager terrace
the initial cast distance is unchanged
icy lake
???
violet nymph
arc was not really that insane for self cast even tho it WAS strong tbh, this change kinda forces you to play it self cast as you need to target the right shit
icy lake
oh no
cedar pewter
A LOt more often
leaden wraith
uhh
icy lake
totem build has to right click more
eager terrace
hiero won't give any fucks lol
icy lake
that is a buff imo
leaden wraith
it doesnt make it unplayable
cedar pewter
lol
leaden wraith
it just makes it slightly weaker
eager terrace
I have played hiero arc totems for like 3 leagues
I would not be that concerned by these changes
icy lake
now you can do hiero arc totem with fork even
violet nymph
I heard the totem craft on shields was moving
probably not as much for totems, but mines got a huge hit
Can anyone confirm?
icy lake
mines and traps got hit
icy lake
but they deserved it
violet nymph
Hmm
dusty salmon
Is there a tldr yet?
eager terrace
meanwhile lightning trap gains +20%
cedar pewter
It kills the reason to play arc totems. If you can only kill 1 pack, why not play something that bosses better, as well?
violet nymph
eh, traps not that much tbh as you can pretty safely throw them down exactly where you want just as with totems
icy lake
the actual trap skills all got buffed
leaden wraith
@dusty salmon tldr for what
dusty salmon
Thats a lot of patch notes....
leaden wraith
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/axt7i0/spells_with_major_buffs_in_36_will_update_and/ this is as tldr as you'd get
icy lake
the whole point of this patch was to discourage putting every spell ever into trap/mine
cedar pewter
dusty salmon
Yeah but "this spell goes from 8-->7 mana cost" is pretty mej
icy lake
or auto casting them
dusty salmon
Meh*
icy lake
with coc etc
leaden wraith
in terms of skill changes
violet nymph
storm brand is still really good tho
icy lake
it is
dusty salmon
Pros Will better know how to analyse changes
cedar pewter
Still going to be speedrunner's choice
but I think it's a lot worse end-game
You'll need a lot better gear to comfortably boss with it
eager terrace
yeah I mean spark proj is just too slow
cedar pewter
but clear will be unchagned
leaden wraith
@dusty salmon the link i psoted is just rough dps increases for buffed skills
cedar pewter
wat
eager terrace
compared to arc
cedar pewter
Spark is fucking blazing fast
violet nymph
arma brand got hit big with activations
icy lake
all it will mean is you have to run around the boss for a minute longer
placid grotto
I know Brutus in A1 got a lot easier though with the changes to Flamethrower Trap 😄
midnight phoenix
i still think what they should have done is slap another 20 more multi on spell echo and used all the spare time that would have made to balance melee
cedar pewter
Once your'e full build, spark is crazy fast and goes everywhere lol
lone parrot
spark is a funny skill
icy lake
spark with faster proj and spider mtx
lone parrot
glad they reworked it
cedar pewter
SPODERS EVERYWHERE
leaden wraith
SPORK
lone parrot
Spore.
open vale
Vorici on Escort duty now gives more and better quality Gems, including a 21 to 23% Quality Gem at Rank 3.
Is that gem corrupted or not?
leaden wraith
im ready to play CoC SPORK THUNDERDOME IS BACK
lone parrot
@open vale wait what da heck
leaden wraith
no one knows
lone parrot
if its corrupted
icy lake
too bad thunderdome itself doesn't work anymore?
open vale
If not, do we get 26% quality gems? pog
violet nymph
I'm pretty sure I'll play fireball this league tbh
leaden wraith
they didnt mention
lone parrot
im trying out divine ire
cedar pewter
Spark is the winner this league in buffs though for sure
leaden wraith
i mean
icy lake
pretty sure vaal gh wall don't bounce sparks now
violet nymph
fireball was already good and they just buffed it, same as flameblast
icy lake
rip the poe beta dreams
open vale
it doesn't say it's corrupted. If it's not, that might be amazing
cedar pewter
People don't play "good" though.
leaden wraith
i mean
lone parrot
ethereal knives tho
placid grotto
what class did you use for fireball?
leaden wraith
its still better to either totem or CoC spork
placid grotto
elementalist?
violet nymph
but then you have SRS that was weak as shit and they nerfed it hahahahahahahhahahaha
cedar pewter
Yeah seriously 😦
lone parrot
yea elementalist pretty much
placid grotto
well that locks it in then. Elementalist while I figure which skill
violet nymph
and they nerfed chieftains as well 😄
lone parrot
how?
placid grotto
wait what? how?
icy lake
i actually think triple herald initial hit fireball will be good
violet nymph
they have cooldown for their endurance charges now
icy lake
with the insane damage effectiveness fireball has
lone parrot
oof
icy lake
but maybe i'm too crazy
lone parrot
does it say on patch notes?
violet nymph
yeh
eager terrace
oh he means blood chieftains
cedar pewter
Unleash Spark, lesgo hype 😄
violet nymph
yeah ofc
cedar pewter
Bossing too
restive stream
@lone parrot why
violet nymph
I just realised that might have been unclear 😄
leaden wraith
spark is never going to be busted until they bring back thunderdome
icy lake
UNLEASH SPODERS
lone parrot
spark got reworked and buffed
lone parrot
well the pierce thing
lone parrot
nvm not reworked.
leaden wraith
they lowered the "hit list"
icy lake
🤔 call of brotherhood spoders
eager terrace
it got 20% more dmg basically
violet nymph
but yeah @placid grotto elementalist is pretty much the go to for self cast spells unless you play crit or take advantage of occultist in some way
eager terrace
and the refire gain
placid grotto
wait I think you're confusing monster Chieftains with class Chieftain
Spectred Blood Chieftains now have a cooldown on their power charge-generating roar
lone parrot
i havent read the full patch notes
violet nymph
yeah it's the monsters
lone parrot
im in school ffs.
leaden wraith
lmao
restive stream
waht school @lone parrot
lone parrot
school
placid grotto
lmao
violet nymph
what trafalgar said basiclly
lone parrot
i noticed that armageddon brand got oofed.
eager terrace
are you including the refire in spark changes or something
violet nymph
yep, arma was fine how it was
swift pagoda
arma brand nerf was way harsher than storm brand's
cedar pewter
Yup
iron orchid
icy lake
the refire is a multiplicative change to the damage buff
lone parrot
wait..
violet nymph
arma activates even slower now wich will be a problem
lone parrot
lightning trap got buffed?
icy lake
all trap skills got buffed
lone parrot
WHAT LOL
cedar pewter
Not all
eager terrace
not spire
cedar pewter
Lightning spire got nerfed
swift pagoda
arma brand is pretty dead by the looks of it
cedar pewter
rightfully so
icy lake
while all the skills ppl put in traps got nerfed
lone parrot
it needed a nerf anyway
cedar pewter
I'm more hyped about frost trap
eager terrace
people don't need to know about lightning trap
cedar pewter
I don't think it's good, yet, but now it's playable