Ice nova has the biggest aoe in the entire game
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midnight phoenix
jade badger
But Temporal and Enfeeble are just given their own numbers
midnight phoenix
I would not call that melee
jade badger
So are Offensive curses the way to go now
drifting solar
@midnight phoenix um, tectonic slam, earthquake etc...
limber spire
fuck yeah offensive curses look awesome this patch
icy lake
temp chain and enfeeble have about the same numbers after the change compared to now
ice nova with area scaling pretty much off screened
hollow mason
But ice nova nerfed pretty much
limber spire
frostbite + ele weakness + despair for cold dot occultist please
icy lake
boss curse resist went from 80% > 66%
midnight phoenix
Except it didnt get its aoe fucked with
leaden wraith
temp chains, despair
lucid stone
Master of Force node now has chance to deal double damage
leaden wraith
why proj weakness
jade badger
Temp chains?
leaden wraith
its a dot
leaden wraith
yeah
icy lake
so offensive curse actually gained that much more effective ness
jade badger
And it counts as a hit as well
leaden wraith
but proj weakness only gives dmg if you're hitting it
ivory lark
you don't scale the projectile lul
leaden wraith
the hit is very little
jade badger
So what should I use for a tri curse
hollow mason
518 to 762 Cold damage at gem level 20 (from 632 to 930). i wouldnt say 0.1 cast time makes Ice nova way better
jade badger
And is tri curse actually good
leaden wraith
temp chains, despair, enfeeble
ivory lark
you don't play DoT
leaden wraith
with ennfeeble being just for defensive
mystic canopy
you know what's cool about chaos DoT looking really strong? i can just use whatever skill i want, and if i wanna play yhte other one, just put the other gem in there
ivory lark
for tri curse
mystic canopy
since the builds are so imilar
grizzled raven
no tri curse is a noob trap
icy lake
shock nova tho
jade badger
wtf is it actually is
small yarrow
Yeah, ice nova got bludgeoned.
I bet they're going for the multi-cast behavior it has with frostbolt.
brave pulsar
I mean do you really need it up for trash mobs
jade badger
Hm, you're right
icy lake
SR got more damage tho
jade badger
And bosses just destroys curses
icy lake
so eh, i'd say it's fine
leaden wraith
tri curse is better now that bosses have less reduced curse effectiveness
small yarrow
I had some fun with a CoC frostbolt + ice nova build
midnight phoenix
Ice nova maths out to basically the same
jade badger
Are given seperate numbers
small yarrow
So much ice nova spam
hollow mason
100-150 flat damage nerf - is like 25% less damage to that skill
stuck scaffold
Is a spark build viable now?
icy lake
those two curses will have about the same effec they have now on bosses
leaden wraith
not 80% anymore
leaden wraith
what
icy lake
it's 66% now
midnight phoenix
@hollow mason it rly isnt lol
jade badger
EK is good fo rbossing right
ivory lark
wait does temp chains double dip with less curse effect now
leaden wraith
66% is so much less than 80%
jade badger
It just looks like a worse spark
ivory lark
66% less effect and a worse boss effect
icy lake
losing flat damage is NOT a huge deal for skills, lol
leaden wraith
66% less curse effectiveness =/= 0 effect
icy lake
we can expect more equipment scaling next league too
jade badger
Actually
leaden wraith
having 34% of a curse is pretty huge when its so free to apply
jade badger
Should I play a CI occultist
Using death's oath
So withering presence
And shield
minor jungle
still doesn't say if I can bane blasphemy
blissful oak
shadow is gonna feel so clunky pathing around
minor jungle
I was looking forward to death's oath bane blasphemy :/
ivory lark
well, flammability goes from -44 res to -15 on bosses
jade badger
cause malevolenced
brave pulsar
whereas it was 9 before?
icy lake
it was like 8 before, lol
ivory lark
yeah was 8.8 before (so 9 is right)
ivory lark
EK
jade badger
for league starting
midnight phoenix
Who uses chromes on deaths oath
jade badger
Okay then, EK.
icy lake
pretty sure you just chuck in soul rend and it'll clear til red maps
limber spire
why wouldn't you just crafting bench/vorici 3 it
jade badger
to make it look good
ivory lark
yes
jade badger
what if its without
ivory lark
delete game
ivory lark
if you have a BV char, you can probably test EK
jade badger
Wait
What does a nova ek look like
without the shuriken
Its just you firing needles to enemies and instantly killing them?
To me that sounds hilarious
midnight phoenix
Lots of little green knives
hollow mason
from high single target dps to zero single target dps, nice BV to EK transition advice 😄
ivory lark
he said he wanted to see what it looks like tho 🤔
midnight phoenix
Like i said
grave valve
ethereal kunai
midnight phoenix
Lots of little green knives
grave valve
doesn't flow as nice as ethereal knives
lucid lagoon
its not comics its manga mom
jade badger
wtf
grave valve
but seriously, EK looks interesting
ivory lark
I mean, EK was good before this
grave valve
nice phys dmg buff, shadow has crit, EK + fork + unleash = intense burst
ivory lark
gg to anyone playing EK with an aurabot
midnight turtle
@icy gyro soon^tm
grave valve
um
kindred dagger
kinda, kunai are especialy balanced throwing projectiles
grave valve
i was just gonna play with wand/shield
mystic canopy
since they changed how blight works, do i even want it in a chaos dot build still?
grave valve
because apparently patch note buffs aren't impressive enough
mystic canopy
just sounds like extra wither stacks
leaden wraith
prety much
mystic canopy
but i'l already have wither totems
velvet fossil
ek is good for clear not single target
jade badger
How is it against uber elder
mystic canopy
like if they're already at wither cap from the wither totems, blight just seems useless
midnight phoenix
U can get point blank
copper kernel
because EK is not an attack
midnight phoenix
Jt wont do anything tho
jade badger
o
midnight phoenix
Cos its not a projectile attack
jade badger
So, whats a good build great in bossing
And also great in clear
Unless I can easily do EK with all content
Despite how long it takes
Why play CI
when you have shav
copper kernel
thats what most people will play
midnight phoenix
Some do
jade badger
but
midnight phoenix
Just a couole
copper kernel
well youll have sufficient chaos res
midnight phoenix
But they are quite dangerous
jade badger
if i take withering presence
warm swan
ek for clear, bv single target
copper kernel
you get 60 from presence
limber spire
there were only like 3 syndicate members with chaos damage
grave valve
no
jade badger
well no
grave valve
it's not dead
zinc niche
in HC
midnight phoenix
Its just not faceroll anymore
jade badger
but self cast is better now
ivory lark
it's not the best, so it's trash
grave valve
you just have a smaller aoe
jade badger
^
ivory lark
that's how this game's meta works
zinc niche
yeah the AOE sucks 😦
jade badger
So I recommend you play traps instead
zinc niche
arc traps?
warm swan
ice trap, ice to fire might be good too
fresh jolt
Arc in general
jade badger
traps just makes it so you can throw it at the enemy
And not walk up to them
to place mine
midnight phoenix
It lost 20% dmg who the fuck said 50
fresh jolt
Maybe not arc self cast if the new gems are good
grave valve
y'all are fucking overreacting
mystic canopy
would a bow chaos dot skill be better than ED?
grave valve
i'm gonna have to turn this off bc i can't deal with it
leaden wraith
i mean
leaden wraith
this is the same person that said 66% reduced curse effectiveness on boss might as well be 0
midnight phoenix
Ye its ok this guy failed math dw
jade badger
what
ivory lark
tfw people still can't tell trolling
jade badger
So curses arent noob traps
grave valve
#blockt
jade badger
And are actually good
grave valve
on bosses, yes
limber spire
what do curses and reserved mana have to do with each other
grave valve
they're still strong af
ivory lark
is temp chains like 4% on bosses now
violet nymph
What skill won patch notes?
ivory lark
since they separated the boss effect
leaden wraith
uhh
jade badger
?????????????????????
indigo lake
Hey guys just wake up, is legacy Atziri's Agility dead?
fresh jolt
Did someone do the calculations for hatred already?
jade badger
Dont worry bro
leaden wraith
hatred got huge nerf for melee he says, when its still more damage
ivory lark
I mean just divide new number by old number
jade badger
next league
limber spire
yikes
stuck scaffold
I'm making a spark build and nobody can stop me.
violet nymph
what the fuck they killed storm brand 😦
grave valve
Ice spear worb is still looking really slick
leaden wraith
yeah im ready to play spark
copper kernel
bosses will usually stop you
fresh jolt
U do know the cold damage granted from hatred is also getting the increase from the aura right ....
serene trellis
Am I reading the helmet enchantment changes right?! Did that gut them all?
jade badger
I want the time of the most optimal spellcaster being zerker to come back
jade badger
yean
leaden wraith
lmao this guy thinks champion is best melee class
ivory lark
J U G G
fresh jolt
This guy has been here complaining about melee the whole time lmao
limpid current
they wont come for jugg
solar tangle
IMAGINE BEING MELEE
violet nymph
I DON'T WANT BALANCED I WANT OP STORM BRAND BACk
leaden wraith
lmao
jade badger
fucking leave the game then
limpid current
well now that essence drain and soulrend can actually boss with a reasonable timeframe now
jade badger
go play something else
ivory lark
like just go to poe.ninja, pick the top skill, ignore everything else
violet nymph
you aren't my dad. Also isn't enchantments a buff?
keen tartan
Really really debating storm brand elementalist vs vortex occultist
leaden wraith
so you might as well go play bleed berserker earthquake like math1l plays
rigid needle
I want to do ice witch. Anyone notice any notable buffs to ice skills to compliment freezing pulse main
jade badger
Lmao
kindred dagger
I do understand some change to overused things like it was for vaal pact 2 years ago, or champion or slayer with overleech and so but its just dumb to cut things and not replace it with something else playable.
But again they just said hey wait for 3.7 melee big rework...
grave valve
@rigid needle ice spear
serene trellis
Am I reading the helmet enchantment changes right?! They are now explicit mods?
limpid current
could you wait for one league until they fix melee
icy lake
because melee isn't getting looked at until next patch
limpid current
tia
icy lake
but hey, shattering steel probably gained like 40% more damage
icy lake
from chain support
violet nymph
Like enchants on items are purely better now, right?
jade badger
this league passed by pretty fast for me
limpid current
yes basically
jade badger
cause maybe i kept playing it
limpid current
no reason not to enchant
keen tartan
I'm digging the tankiness of vortex occultist
grave valve
enchants on two tone and bone helms are slick now
icy lake
Bone helm with enchant
violet nymph
they did nerf the bone helmets and boots though
icy lake
ivory lark
except 500 enchants in the game now lul, good luck not getting rejuv totem enchants
limber spire
wait and see those synthesized item bases first
grave valve
in case you didn't read patch notes
lab enchants are separate from implicits, @icy lake
limber spire
before settling on twotone/bone helm for enchants
icy lake
oh i know
icy lake
it seems so busted it's unfair to other helms
grave valve
it's an option now
icy lake
lol
loud surge
limpid current
depending on how things work people might even build around things like glove enchants now
violet nymph
PP RIP?
leaden wraith
they had to nerf the implicits now that you can stack helm enchant on it
leaden wraith
i mean lab enchants overall*
jade badger
People will probably just play
kindred dagger
I hope they will do great stuff for melees cause its hell fun to have a big warrior and goes in the battle helllll yeah...
WAIT fuck i just realised does that mean one of my intended build is ruined for next league A.K.A flicker strike slayer ????
leaden wraith
when someone tells me melee is dead
coarse grove
kindred dagger
😥
jade badger
Dont mind cyclone though
icy lake
i don't think anything else got gutted... but slayer?
jade badger
thats mostly coc
jade badger
Yeah
fresh jolt
Damn 1 moment it was buff self cast then now buff melee ..............
leaden wraith
literally played as much as winter orb
jade badger
thats something to keep in mind
limpid current
melee is an illusion for like 3 months unless you use one of the remaining meta
jade badger
Cause of grelwood shank
ivory lark
LUL cyclone
jade badger
Even if it got hit with a nerf
hollow mason
Trickster flicker still playable
leaden wraith
also
ivory lark
you mean cast on crit trigger
pseudo snow
Flicker strike slayer has been dead for a few leagues tbh
leaden wraith
while Cyclone is CoC
its still considerably melee
since you're playing an essentially melee build
jade badger
^yeah j ust more expensive
leaden wraith
its not like you can cyclone on air to cast spells
ivory lark
but your dmg is spells
leaden wraith
yeah
grave valve
i need to play a cats on crit build
leaden wraith
so?
kindred dagger
@pseudo snow its not because something is not brand level op god slayer tier thats its dead
ivory lark
so it's a spell build
worthy basalt
melee can still be played but unfortunately you are heavily limited in gems
jade badger
I have my eyes on spark, ek and occultist
leaden wraith
melee =/= attack tho
pseudo snow
Speaking of coc. Them discharge buffs
kindred dagger
But now with the changes of leech and so it feels like its dead
leaden wraith
bv is pretty much melee
limpid current
me not hit enemy in face with weapon to kill me use puny magic to kill enemy melee is dead
leaden wraith
in terms of effective range
icy lake
i'm still split on Occultist/Trickster soul rend or ED
carmine kayak
So I get that tombfist is an irritating nerf for melee, but is it really that bad, like in the end depending on the nodes you take it won’t be anywhere near a 10% drop
ivory lark
but that's not how the game differentiates between melee/caster
icy lake
but consider the potential amount of good mana reservations
carmine kayak
They’re still insane gloves and will be used on pretty much everything that can benefit from them
limpid current
you'd be losing out if you didnt reserve both malevolence and zealotry on a chaos caster now
icy lake
but trickster will be super smooth to play
jade badger
y tho
ivory lark
oh god ED is aweful to play
jade badger
how smooth is it if u aint dealing dps
leaden wraith
why zealotry on chaos caster tho
icy lake
ED is not aweful to play
jade badger
ED is satisfying to play
ivory lark
no skill feedback
icy lake
i actually enjoyed it
ivory lark
nothing
ivory lark
it's just ball hits, things die
violet nymph
Content creators need to hurry TF up and spoon feed me something juicy
icy lake
actually
jade badger
@violet nymph lmao dude
leaden wraith
zealotry only gives you more spell dmg if you're playing chaos build that isnt dark pact
jade badger
craft your own build
ivory lark
which sounds fucking amazing
jade badger
go to poe.ninja and you can make one better than mathil
kindred dagger
I would find so fun to have a newa melee skill that is used to make "combo" on alternating with other skill
icy lake
Storm call trickster should be pretty sick too
leaden wraith
you probably benefit more from other auras
violet nymph
omnomnom here comes the airplane bam, spoon fed
halcyon veldt
i was sure GGG Was gonna surprise us with a melee spell
icy lake
k
jade badger
so what now
halcyon veldt
also what's with the SRS nerf?
indigo lake
3.6 fucking sucks for melee.
jade badger
What is a good build for league starting
EK, Storm Call
ED trickster
3.6 may be the dark days of melee
But by 3.7, and 4.0
halcyon veldt
best starter build is ground slam berserker, duh
jade badger
It will soon be the dark days of casters
grizzled raven
ED occultist
grizzled raven
because occultist is better?
limber spire
wicked ward
grizzled raven
auto wither
wicked ward is literally the strongest node in the game
when coupled with recharge time reduction watcher's eye
icy lake
so for occultist, you have easier access to lowlife, which with the new auras will be nice
trickster will have less topend damage but smooth af clear
jade badger
Occultist it is then
limpid current
clear will be smooth regardless considering how much the damage buffs were
jade badger
And Malediction total noob trap..
So.. Wicked Ward and Withering Presence
good enough?
icy lake
i do suspect trickster will have enough damage regardless
Vile bastion + withering presence
icy lake
i was planning on both, tbh
icy lake
soul rend in chest, ED in bow
jade badger
cause its basically ed lmao
Waitwhat
How do you do both tho
Like, ED and Soulrend
runic wyvern
Anything expensive you’d need for that build to work?
jade badger
Fire one ED with contagion
violet nymph
ok so I worked out the math and I think I got it. Arc even with the added damage nerf is stronger then before as the cast speed change makes up for it
limpid current
hardly
jade badger
And then you fire soulrend?
limpid current
even a top end ed build only needed a good wand
violet nymph
The chain is range is the only real nerf
limpid current
or +3 staff
rigid needle
So, what about the buff to hand cast? What am I missing
ivory lark
ED needs contagion tho, unless you wanna waste time spamming ED a lot
limpid current
the two support gems
lost minnow
is it just me or does the flame totem rework look amazing
livid apex
it's ok
icy lake
for higher single target, soul rend + ed should be the better setup
i'm not gona be worried about clear in either case, lol
cause both skill will clear fast enough
haven't seen the actual specs on soul rend
but it should off screen easily with faster proj
jade badger
So how do you play both
runic wyvern
So for ED occultist you’d go LL once you made some money?
icy lake
i like to do my occultists with bow + soul strike
runic wyvern
Or is there some way to run it cheap?
icy lake
CI until shavs
jade badger
@icy lake How do you play both ED and Soulrend?
limpid current
LL is basically the top end for a chaos occultist
jade badger
Not talking gem wise
icy lake
soul rend for clears
jade badger
Just talking how do you use both in a boss/ map situation
limpid current
but you need a shavs
icy lake
and not use ED at all unless boss
jade badger
@icy lake But its said Soulrend will be much stronger than ED
with shorter dot duration
jade badger
Why not ED and contagion though
icy lake
kinda like vortex + cold snap
jade badger
good for clear
limpid current
two seperate instance of dots
icy lake
because contagion is just for clear
jade badger
Yeah, so whats point of using soulrend
rugged locust
why use ED+contagion when you can just use soulrend+soulrend
icy lake
it doesn't really add to dot damage on single target
jade badger
Cause two 6links
icy lake
SINGLE TARGET
rugged locust
single target use both yeah
rugged locust
ED is good for single target?
worthy basalt
yeah
icy lake
you change some links on soul rend
jade badger
still vortex
worthy basalt
vortex
icy lake
and stack both dots
worthy basalt
altough worb is probably fast
jade badger
and spam Soulrend?
worthy basalt
yeah
violet nymph
you know what? i think im fine with this league being all spellcasters. because next league will be all melees.
its time to play some janky spellcaster duelist/marauder/ranger builds
worthy basalt
or just ed
rugged locust
ED has such a long duration why wouldn't you just cast it once and then keep going with soulrend
stone belfry
So what makes vortex better than wo?
jade badger
cause it deals more dps
worthy basalt
easier to scale
stone belfry
ah kk
worthy basalt
but worb probably more zoom zoom
stone belfry
even more than WO + IS?
indigo lake
How about Blade Flurry? Dead yet?
icy lake
it's a matter of play style
stone belfry
Vortex is better bosser?
worthy basalt
worb ice spear should be really good
jade badger
yes
limber spire
scold's vortex = just as good aoe clear as worb
jade badger
Vortex better bosser
icy lake
you never have to stand still to channel with cold snap + vortex
worthy basalt
honestly I would try that
icy lake
and it is consistent damage rather than bursts
stone belfry
Odds are BV occultist is now junk?
limpid current
it took a hard hit
stone belfry
kk
icy lake
BV is consistently nerfed but it's still has great mechanics
limpid current
both regular and vaal bv
worthy basalt
worb ice spear should be a good compromise between single target and clear speed
icy lake
i doubt this patch killed BV since it scales super well with gear
stone belfry
yeah cold snap vortex looked really slow
worthy basalt
the problem with vortex is clear speed is kind of meh
limber spire
(or scold's vortex)
icy lake
and this league we should be getting some insane gears
jade badger
@icy lake But, ED and Contagion would cost less right?
Cause you dont need another 6l
worthy basalt
I dont see how scolds will improve clear speed
jade badger
for soulrend
stone belfry
I also wonder when ranger tree will get some love
willow bane
Anyone know if current scarabs are gonna keep their values once patch hits? example, are current 150% sulphite scarabs going to drop to 60% when patch releases?
limber spire
icy lake
soul strike is like 20c
icy lake
lol
worthy basalt
that build is silly imo
icy lake
i can safely say none of my builds have costed more than 10 ex
worthy basalt
but with frostbolt buffs it is probably alright
just play whatever looks better I guess
icy lake
you can easily get +2 or +3 to skills on bows too
just like staffs
so for chaos skills, or vortex
limber spire
if you can't find a good 6l bow just grab porcupine cards
violet nymph
I will never learn to appreciate casters wielding bows and not using them.
limber spire
they're pretty cheap throughout the league anyways
icy lake
yea, that's why i usually do my casters with bow, lol
jade badger
wtf
icy lake
hit it with the +x skill level essense, craft relevant veiled mods for damage
worthy basalt
I plan to use cane of unraveling to start my soulrend build and eventually swap over to a +3 bow
brave pulsar
it's been a thing forever after essences
worthy basalt
and it looks like +2 supports is sticking around so that is super nice
jade badger
Also I guess I'll just be uh
brave pulsar
except that's the same mod tier
worthy basalt
I am going ci
limber spire
the issue with +2 supports is that you'll need someone to clear mastermind a few times to unveil it
icy lake
CI until you have shavs
worthy basalt
but lowlife probably has a better top end
limber spire
clearly you'd just use incandescent heart
icy lake
both of the new auras can affect ED
jade badger
Wait what
icy lake
for more spell damage and more damage overtime
lucid stone
I dont know how to efficiently path through new shadow area
icy lake
so LL is obvious for topend damage
lucid stone
But those new staff nodes look neat.
lucid stone
Is it enough AoE?
limpid current
top end wasnt just +3 staff
jade badger
ED right for more single target dps
icy lake
yea
jade badger
How do I aim for more dps on bow though
limpid current
there was also alternatives with a wand and shield
jade badger
Like, what + gem mods do I aim for
rugged locust
are there numbers on soulrend?
icy lake
+3 bow or something
jade badger
Yeah ik, +1 to gems
limpid current
lahkesiis build used rippling thoughts
icy lake
the crafted veiled mod for more of x type damage
limpid current
you may have to settle pseudo 5l-6l eldered item for either ed or soulrend
icy lake
or you can craft the +1 level to support gem
limpid current
if you can use only armor 6l
icy lake
and put in empower
icy lake
i mean, if you got the currency for it, sure
jade badger
For its weapon mosd
+1 to gems
And then what for the other two
That isnt a crafted mod
icy lake
there is a crafted mod for + to support gems
jade badger
Yeah but
brave pulsar
which si the same affix group as the usual +2
jade badger
Wouldnt annuling a bow
worthy basalt
you get like level 7 empower
brave pulsar
that's very unlikely
worthy basalt
level 4 + 1 to gems +2 to supports
icy lake
not much help you in suffixes
jade badger
Yeah, but its very effective
limber spire
paragon's is a pretty rare affix
jade badger
Idk what to get for the uncrafted mods
icy lake
if you had +1 to gems, +1 to support with a lvl 4 empower
that's MORE than enough damage on ED
brave pulsar
I don't think you understand how annuls work
limber spire
just multimod at that point
icy lake
all the other mods don't really matter tbh
worthy basalt
yeah you can get some dot and other mods
jade badger
Yeah but wouldnt I want to annul all mods
worthy basalt
but ed doesnt need that much
worthy basalt
you dont need to
jade badger
multimod
limpid current
shaper was flattened on a 4l essence drain, only thing is that it took about eight minutes
worthy basalt
honestly just depends on the currency you have
violet nymph
RIP SLAYER
kindred dagger
RIPY RIP 😢
kindred dagger
stop stop reminding me 😪
jade badger
wtf
worthy basalt
not like it kills it
violet nymph
if anything died its arc
jade badger
4l
icy lake
so for prefixes you just need: +1 to skill gems, +2 to support gems, and either minion damage (if you got the left side notables), or damage over time
worthy basalt
ed is pretty strong
jade badger
@violet nymph holy fuck
violet nymph
arc is not dead at all lol
jade badger
arc didnt die
limber spire
support gems is a suffix
jade badger
why does nobody get it
violet nymph
idk
limpid current
can we please pin an 'arc isnt dead'
jade badger
its fucking stupid to me
violet nymph
-25 range jesus i cant imagine how bad it'll be
50% less range from infinite range is still good
limber spire
nvm i'm wrong
jade badger
@violet nymph Its an op skills
worthy basalt
yeah it just isnt top tier
violet nymph
arc's broken i think its gonna go from broken to full shit
jade badger
wtf
limpid current
what you think or otherwise doesnt matter
violet nymph
except it isn't shit at all
jade badger
its not gonna become full shit
limpid current
only the reality
tough harness
bah, anyone got a json to lua array parser?
limpid current
lmao
jade badger
it just doesnt have
rigid needle
Nerfs no matter how warranted always feel bad to the user
jade badger
extreme range
worthy basalt
which a little change is good to encourage people to play different builds
icy lake
Arc chaining 25 range is a good thing for ppl without inpulsas if anything
jade badger
^
limpid current
so? i got every op build i know of nerfed into the ground since cb
icy lake
it'll actually clear the current screen
violet nymph
guess so
icy lake
rather than jumping 2 screen away
limpid current
play something else
violet nymph
we'll just have to see how it works next league
copper kernel
how is that a bad thing lmao
strong lantern
cant believe they patched in 50% shock effect in 3 points and leave beacon of ruin untouched
jade badger
Its just stupid to me that
icy lake
and the faster cast speed means you can get more dps
jade badger
The moment an OP skill is nerfed
icy lake
it isn't really even a nerf
jade badger
Everyone fucking screams "ITS DEAD"
leaden wraith
i can't wait for them to nerf molten strike for real
kindred dagger
honestly with the cast speed increased im even thinking arc could be stronger
limpid current
it wasnt even that bad in the days of full release
violet nymph
but not sure how much that slayer leech nerf will do
leaden wraith
mfw moltenstrike got buffed eventho less projectiles and people were like MS IS DEAD
jade badger
Scion starter is gonna be rough lmao
limpid current
its only recently that things have gotten that bad
jade badger
especially now with slayer being gutted
worthy basalt
the slayer nerf is not as bad as it seems
violet nymph
and summoner is even more grabo now than before lol
jade badger
Thats really the only thing screaming "DEAD" about
worthy basalt
all it means is that you have to attack more often
limpid current
ever since people got too much fun with breach and perandus
violet nymph
i think my ass will be whooped and my ascendant will die like no tomorrow
jade badger
@violet nymph you're just fucking trolling us now
arent you
first of all, arc didnt die
mystic lynx
Bone helmet got a nice nerf T.T
violet nymph
press F for arc
copper kernel
F
strong lantern
just leave arc be, it was broken since incursion
jade badger
^
limpid current
we need summon raging redditors as an april fool's gem
violet nymph
actually
mystic lynx
F
strong lantern
now it actually doesnt clear 4 screen in one button
copper kernel
playing melee smh
violet nymph
any chance of a viable cast while channeling/cast on crit berserker/slayer build?
jade badger
its fucking cancer
worthy basalt
tombfists were also ahead of the curve
worthy basalt
it is a shame since melee is behind
jade badger
poet's was the only nerf i enjoyed
violet nymph
i saw 80 to 78 max res on lw
limpid current
yeah now casters have the only thing they're missing
violet nymph
i cried
leaden wraith
its not like poets pen is going to be bad
limpid current
spell leech
violet nymph
because GGG for some reason thinks leech is a good mechanic
jade badger
lmao bro
leaden wraith
you can still use barrage
jade badger
its just 2 less res
violet nymph
my ascendant uses tombfist, loreweave
worthy basalt
all the nerfs were warranted and none of them are even that bad besides the poets pen one
violet nymph
its gonna mega die
icy lake
okay, so the absolute max damage prefix on bow 6L for caster will be delve fossil craft. Deal % more spell damage (fossil), +1 to socketed gems, +2 to support gems (crafted) @jade badger
violet nymph
why ggg
kindred dagger
One minute of silence for arc guys please, pay some respect 😇
strong lantern
realtalk: did any1 here play FreezingPulse lately and can tell me if its clunkyness around door/stairs is as bad as people claim it to be?
violet nymph
loreweave is still good
leaden wraith
you can have your silence when arc gets removed from the game
icy lake
sure you can?
limber spire
why can't you
icy lake
why can't you?
limber spire
you absolutely can
jade badger
kk
worthy basalt
I have played fp
jade badger
just clarifying
icy lake
those 3 prefix is the absolute max
tiny hatch
hmm, Ghost Reaver Winter Orb w/ infused channeling - seems like it could be pretty neat.
limpid current
sometimes? how about all the time
icy lake
the most optional prefix out of those 3 is the delve mod
limpid current
i'm fed up of it
copper kernel
people will always have an op skill tho
limpid current
ever since breach
jade badger
^
copper kernel
thats how these kinds of games work
worthy basalt
the problem wasnt just doors it was corners and syndicate fortifications
jade badger
EK*
limber spire
just replace the delve mod with the crafted increased damage mod
violet nymph
I just know flameblast is gonna be crazy
jade badger
ice trap
worthy basalt
flameblast is pretty cool with indigon
kindred dagger
it would be more fun if ALL skill was op at least you would have the choice of whatever you wanna play
icy lake
return of pizza tosser build
jade badger
Why cant you arc dick riders just
mystic lynx
ek got buffed I might give it a try
jade badger
play those skills instead
mystic lynx
cuz arc was cool
limpid current
not even tencent investing in ggg produced as much imbecilic screeching as the vaal pact nerf
jade badger
huh
kindred dagger
its still is
violet nymph
flameblast was already really good and they just buffed it by a pretty huge amount for some dumb reason xD
rancid fossil
if your definition of viability is how op a skill is......
icy lake
if anything, arc got more dps and slightly less off screen
eager terrace
I dunno the current melee whining is getting up there
worthy basalt
it isn't buffed that much
rancid fossil
like jfc
strong lantern
im pissed they nerfed the mana reg and ES reg for inquis
strong lantern
ES nerf was okay with new leech, but mana?cmon
jade badger
for arc
worthy basalt
@strong lantern you were asking about fp right
rancid fossil
oh no a skill isnt OP,it must suck
limpid current
🦀 melee is dead 🦀
strong lantern
yes thanks for ur input
rancid fossil
🐑
jade badger
@rancid fossil thats what i'm saying
jade badger
people whine about arc
worthy basalt
yeah, it does a lot of damage though
jade badger
being dead
worthy basalt
especially as an assassin
jade badger
when it isnt
strong lantern
gotta farm a map which has no doors
jade badger
If they look for op skills then play ice trap
icy lake
sigh... 25 chain range from 50 is a good thing, it actually let you use a chest that's not inpulsa
violet nymph
let dumb people be dumb @jade badger
strong lantern
ice trap is unbelievably shit
jade badger
@violet nymph sigh, its just frustrating
worthy basalt
I league started as fp so my tree could easily swap to a coc build
copper kernel
"your gutted clear is a good thing i swear"
jade badger
I want it to be good
worthy basalt
which was perfect
icy lake
the chain distance change is a targeting mechanic change
jade badger
cause circles 25% more radius
strong lantern
how is that chain range nerf a good thing exactly @icy lake
kindred dagger
Its like that pretty everywhere, im coach on league and when something isnt pro played people are nahhh it sucks, look those stat or else, and then suddenly for no reason pro start playing it to make some test it works and everyone is there WOW SO GOOD I TOLD YOU
copper kernel
thats a bad thing tho
limber spire
tbh the majority of arc players won't notice a substantial difference anyways
jade badger
Yeah
copper kernel
i cant fathom a case where thats a good thing
worthy basalt
the reason for a lot of nerfs is too encourage the community to play more builds so they dont burn out
worthy basalt
at least that is the way I perceive it
jade badger
Tomorrow, mathil makes a build and everyone praises GGG
leaden wraith
instead about complaining about the balances, can we turn our attention to lack of openarl working on pob
jade badger
about arc
leaden wraith
because not having updated pob is the biggest nerf imo
kindred dagger
yeah like that
jade badger
Eh, he's been hired by GGG
violet nymph
The real debate needs to be if Chain Support is good for Arc now
jade badger
he's p busy
worthy basalt
is pob not getting updated 😦
leaden wraith
yeah
i dont care if GGG nerf 200 skills in the game
just let openarl work on pob ty
jade badger
^
limpid current
make it an official tool
violet nymph
11% less damage for 30% more single target damage
jade badger
openarl not working on pob is the next thing to scream dead about
worthy basalt
tbh I dont use pob that much
jade badger
because without openarl
ivory lark
or just have someone else take over
kindred dagger
Oh damn i forgot i heard about that, so yeah really you think POB wont have more update now ?
jade badger
we'd be legit dead
leaden wraith
what's the point of all these buffs and nerfs, if i cant see the changes on pob
violet nymph
this patch was extremely disappointing tbh, GGG talking so much about inproving self cast yet they did nothing
limber spire
or let cold snap bypass cd with charges when triggered
worthy basalt
since the numbers dont really reflect the way it feels
leaden wraith
so what if arc does 50% less dmg in game? it still does mad dmg in pob
mystic lynx
i want a machine gun totem ! Ggg plie let that happen.
mystic lynx
op skill is needed now
limpid current
why not try the new support gems?
strong lantern
@violet nymph not really correct
limpid current
and see how it works
violet nymph
Self cast got a HUGE buff. ES leech and Cast speed all over the place
worthy basalt
my pob builds have like 10k es and 2 mil shaper dps on a 2 ex budget and in game they suck
limpid current
and also that
jade badger
@icy lake Whats the best bow base
violet nymph
yeah, sure they added es leech that should not exist
icy lake
don't matter
ivory lark
PoB has a bunch of pull requests rn for the latest stuff
icy lake
shortbow just because it's cheap
worthy basalt
I will just use porcupine card for the bow
jade badger
Crude? Thicket?
ivory lark
but Openarl MIA
jade badger
Ah, shortbow
limber spire
short bow for good offcolours
limpid current
that should not exist
limber spire
or crude
kindred dagger
Yeah i aggree, unless im missing something about self casting pretty much everything that got "buff" for "hand casting" is still a up for whatever else like mine, totem or so
worthy basalt
shortbow 6l is just so cheap
jade badger
Why go crude when u have shortbow though
fallen oyster
whats looking decent for 3.6? looks like casters are really good this patch but not sure what is okay since new last league and played melee
limpid current
why do you think people were spamming berserker forever
mystic lynx
i think I’ll go gc self cast as a starter... could be cool !
jade badger
wait why though