we respawn in 10s, enemies respawn in 5
#1┃mirage-league
valid isle
vestal escarp
proper widget
its my favorite league design in a while but it needs more watering down
proper widget
in terms of game design xd reddit only asks for simplifications
a few more cycles in the rock tumbler to polish the edges
reef girder
I think the concept is fun
though I am super annoyed that the build I've been optimising just for running the content was rendered near-useless with the latest patch making the monsters completely unaffected by taunt
valid isle
the biggest issue with the mode
gritty monolith
Potentially getting sanctum floor rewards in just like 5m is pretty neat tbh
valid isle
is that the enemies dont use the same rules
tawdry plover
The AI is too smart
They do get stunned but most times if you approach them they switch targets as you go to hit and stuff it seems
I'll frostblink on someone channeling and they will just move to next closest totem
valid isle
they get stunned if YOU hit them, but not often if your units hit them
they have faster respawn timers than your team and higher stats than your team
tawdry plover
I rarely stun them to begin with
gritty monolith
is that the enemies dont use the same rules
Very funny when enemy turtle in flank role also casts totem immunity even though it's only supposed to do that in defence role
valid isle
or when you kill it it respawns instantly
bold spade
they get stunned if YOU hit them, but not often if your units hit them
It's being the other way for me, I'm running mines and mines don't stun them for shit
valid isle
it feels bipolar though, that im winning, but i dont feel good that im winning
like it doesnt feel like im winning from skill
or because im doing damage or whatever
gritty monolith
My impression is that units with energy shield benefit from the 50% stun avoidance. Everything else gets stunned consistently by me
tawdry plover
Hm maybe that is the reason
Those guys especially are difficult to deal with and while I don't deal incredible damage, their ES is massive
Also can't really stay at a difficulty you're comfortable at, generally you get positive points unless you intentionally lose
gritty monolith
It's certainly a bit silly
Winning the early free win rounds to then lose right after just to lose like 5 rank or gain 5
valid isle
if you die your escorts go back to your respawn, if you kill the enemy leader, their escorts keep fighting you
proper jolt
Hey guys I'm about to start the new league and wanted to ask. Are Sanctum rewards gutted?
shy steppe
no. sanctum is just harder
quick gale
when do tattoos like
Grants "+1% to maximum Cold Resistance"
start to drop? AFAICT they are not "win tournament" rewards right? just normal fight rewards?
shy steppe
They are usually the last round rewards. there is small chance they can appear before that. But they only appear on the associated tribe. For example, +1 max cold can only be given as a reward when going against Arohongui (Ikiaho)
so if you are farming for a specific rare tatoo, make sure not to fight against them in the early rounds.
gritty monolith
Yep
north yew
Can anyone spare a brand skill gem? I’m a new player and the vendor doesn’t sell any
craggy pelican
They are usually the last round rewards. there is small chance they can appear b...
does that apply to the uniques too?
clear anchor
Does anyone know why npcs of the opposite team are not stunned when I hit them during their destruction of a totem, but I get stunned for 5 seconds if I get hit
valid isle
bug and/or intentional
craggy pelican
ggg hates you for interacting with new content and thought you needed to be punished
thats my guess
shy steppe
does that apply to the uniques too?
yes
shy steppe
Do minions even work? The only thing preventing my progression is that their flankers will chain small channels in between hits. It's basically impossible to counter flankers 100%. My flankers are just in a base race the whole time. If I lose my flankers, I lose the match.
austere whale
ggg hates you for interacting with new content and thought you needed to be puni...
Interacting with content by deliberately skipping all interactions with it
shy steppe
Also it is annoying that there is such a huge disparity in favors offered. Always gotta kill off kahuturoa first becuase turtles are bugged. Yet I can see how the whole tournament is going to go because he is only giving 500 hinekora favor whilie others are nearing 2k total favor.
tawdry plover
I usually just go for whatever gives the most favour unless there is a decent reward offered
In the last round or 2 I'll try to pick based on who I want to fight at the end
shy steppe
Flanking turtels can't even be taunted anymore. There is no way other than destroying totem asap to counter flanking turtle. And defense turtle is bugged and can make his own totem immortal. So I 100% get him out first. I think by round 4 he is guaranteed to have a turtle.
tawdry plover
I always thought they had units based on what favour they offered. But I didn't pay too much attention
runic coral
Anyone know now 5wave can get how many % exp 1 turn, for 99 to 100 ?
tawdry plover
Ofc turtle is his own unit
I haven't seen many turtles but maybe just rng he loses early
shy steppe
They can buy other units like we do, but their own units makes up the majority of their team. That's also why Kahuturoa is commonly taken out first. Rongokurai has those goliaths that one shot you.
shy steppe
Anyone know now 5wave can get how many % exp 1 turn, for 99 to 100 ?
didn't they nerf the experience by half? I didn't really care much about it in the patch notes but I thought it was like 20% -> 10% ? Shouldn't it then be half of what it was before? It was 10% at high ends before, so probably 5%?
runic coral
Some people tell me 2% and other is 5% i dont know
shy steppe
it would be 2.5 if the rate they cut in half had squared scaling.
going off a 10% rate of before. some only had 9% per run. so 2.25 for those.
floral tundra
I was wondering why people were spamming me for Empire’s Grasp yesterday, glad I sold it for 30c
ornate gate
are there any builds that can still cheese league mechanic after nerfs?
shy steppe
Will a frost wall build work?
ornate gate
i think someone said frost wall despawns instantly
viral flume
Frost wall dies as soon as tou channel apparently
ornate gate
what about...
shy steppe
but I don't need to channel?
viral flume
Someone suggested bane occ with a strong temp chain
ornate gate
full evade/dodge with giga movespeed and you just run around channeling
shy steppe
I just need to hold them off
tawdry plover
You can still knock enemies back. You just can't vacuum/pin to wall
shy steppe
so my flankers can channel
floral tundra
Idk about cheesing mechanics but EA Ballista makes really easy work of both interrupting channels and distractions while your flankers do work
I dropped GMP onto my build and it hasn’t failed me yet
shy steppe
I'm shockwave totems and I have no issues with any of that. I have issues with their flankers chaining very small channels while they are being hit. EA balista would be worse for that.
past spire
You can still knock enemies back. You just can't vacuum/pin to wall
so the kb with tornado shot/ensnare arrow till works?
tawdry plover
I never used it, just based on patch notes you can knock back 1/s
floral tundra
I think the most recent hotfix limited movement speed slows to 50% of base no?
tawdry plover
Yep
shy steppe
more like 5 times in 1 second then 4 second coold own
tawdry plover
Pretty much but if you controlled your shots it could be different
past spire
ok
gritty heath
You can still knock enemies back. You just can't vacuum/pin to wall
I have knockback and with the changes today it might as well not exist at all. Barely does anything
floral tundra
Do giga damage builds have an easier time with the mechanic or is there like inherent mob damage reduction or something
past spire
i guess its back to minion then
gritty heath
Your damage seems to barely affect things. I think it's just # of hits
tawdry plover
Must be DR as im a dot build
floral tundra
I don’t have trouble with it, I’m just wondering if it helps to kill stuff faster or something
tawdry plover
Or just very large life pools
shy steppe
Pretty much but if you controlled your shots it could be different
I'll pass the message to shockwave totem 🤣
tawdry plover
Ya seems everyone got a different kind of messed up with patch
I was just using abyssal cry on cooldown to group mobs, can't do that any more
gritty heath
so the kb with tornado shot/ensnare arrow till works?
It works but it's tiny and only 1 per second at most. Seems to be even less - you knockback 5 times quickly and then wait 5 seconds until it triggers again
copper blaze
does anyone have performance problem in this patch? it feels like more stuttering and freezing in map
shy steppe
so does frost wall work or not? someone said it gets destroyed instantly, but someone said when you channel? If I don't plan to channel myself does frost wall work?
past spire
It works but it's tiny and only 1 per second at most. Seems to be even less - yo...
i only bought bow and gems yesterday so its not a big loss, less than 1 div 😄 glad i didnt start a new char and such
shy steppe
only 300 favor shouldn't be a thing.
past spire
its low favor when the reward is usually good
20 alt orb? here you go 2k favors
1 chaos? 300 favor take it or leave it
shy steppe
nah. It's definitely random. It's just noticed more when you have a bad experience. I've gotten a divine with 2k+ favor in 3rd round before.
manic frost
I can allocate a node, slap a tattoo on it, unallocate it and anoint it right?
valid isle
^
same as Kasey
fame has nothing to do with reward quality
ocasionally you also get impossible matches
like you start with 5 units because its round 1
but they started with 11 lol
past spire
It works but it's tiny and only 1 per second at most. Seems to be even less - yo...
so should i levelup a new char and build around kb + ensnare or not worth it? i only got a few items for now but dont want to invest too much if it no longer works
gritty heath
I play with TS without knockback and can still win most matches
Usually I just stay at the back and kill their defenders and let my flankers do the work
past spire
even an hexblast miner takes a few second to kill an unique boss in rank 300, how much dps do you have to be able to kill them with ts ?
austere whale
Which guy is the one that keeps healing their totems to full?
gritty heath
Your damage doesn't matter
past spire
hits are % based? so faster attack = ez? i play dot so i guess im screwed
gritty heath
It seems to be weirdly capped, I think it depends on both attack rate and damage
So it kinda scales but feels like 100% delirium anyway
tawdry plover
Which guy is the one that keeps healing their totems to full?
There is a shaman but there's also an item that regens totem life
valid isle
also a thing that causes it to respawn when destroyed
shy steppe
There is an item that regens their totem by the amount of damage they take
austere whale
There is a shaman but there's also an item that regens totem life
Specifically the one where I destroy it and it goes back to full instead
shy steppe
so you have to kill it and then kill the totem or somehow stop your warriors from attacking it.
past spire
does anyone have performance problem in this patch? it feels like more stutterin...
for me its a mess with a 3070 and i7 and such 😦 all lowest settings
shy steppe
fr. need like 3 second grace on revive
valid isle
watching 4 defenders lose to a single flanker is also feelbad
i just deathlooped on kaom
because of 5 ravagers
i dont think i can win anymore now
everything kills me with a regular AA lol
past spire
is there a skill that turns you invisible or such? maybe try that and temporal chains or aura to boost your team 😄
shy steppe
closest thing would be phase run
valid isle
im amazed it hasnt been patched for damage yet
bold spade
everything kills me with a regular AA lol
Yeah I'm there too
valid isle
like, 40k armor, 78% all res, sure my hp pool is low at 4500 + 1500 es
but something hitting for 6k with a basic swing no wind up etc is a bit silly
and im winning because im cheesing, not because im good
bold spade
Spear dancer, caldera ravager and goliath of the night are the worst of all lmao
In terms of damage out of nowhere
hard scarab
Did they reduce storm conduit range enough that it can't offscreen you?
Because that was really fun
valid isle
nah, its still off screen
its just less off screen than cross map
storm conduit still one shots though
runic zephyr
does this buff stack?? so every death from every unit makes everyone stronger?
valid isle
yes from what i can tell
hard scarab
It's really hard to judge when every mob one shots you and tickles the other mobs
shy steppe
can't tell if I'm being 1 shot or half-shot.
hard scarab
Doesn't really make a difference
tawdry plover
I assume it is just a one time thing
shy steppe
It's on hit. so probably doesn't stack.
hard scarab
Yeah it's still free even with getting one shot by everything
bold spade
I'm having a ton of fun and the rewards are crazy
shy steppe
League mechanic is fun. I just don't like the "progress to brick wall" concept they implemented.
bold spade
Although the 2 divines I got I lost lmao
hard scarab
Just stack fieldmaster flankers and they solo win for you if you keep their totems alive
bold spade
What do you mean progres to brick wall? Which rank are you right now?
hard scarab
I just never fight anything and spam ranged shit to interrupt things killing totems
Before too long I can just backdoor for a win
shy steppe
what the flankers are i found don't really matter much. defense matters most imo. Get Consuming kuneknue on defense so that when their flankers die they aren't immediately revived and it gives your flankers time
hard scarab
Field masters just don't get interrupted because the ai is stupid and kills the walls instead of stopping the cap
sullen igloo
Whats your tactic bois
hard scarab
They're good on defense too for the same reason
sullen igloo
Are you defending or attacking
bold spade
what the flankers are i found don't really matter much. defense matters most imo...
I've been doing this, crazy how good it works lmao
sullen igloo
Or roamimg
hard scarab
Mobs will just stand there hitting walls instead of capping totems
shy steppe
Whats your tactic bois
changes based on favor i get
bold spade
Are you defending or attacking
I start by going to the middle of the map, tying all enemies together and get them to chase me while my other units wreak havoc lmao
If I don't mess up, I win, if I die, I lose because my base gets flooded
shy steppe
and yeah. i still put fieldmaster flank. but I'm not target farming his favor to do it.
hard scarab
I've won a few matches where I get one shot at the start and they kill my totem before I res because 4 fieldmasters just backdoor their whole base
valid isle
titanic shell on offense always gets me
since its immune to stun and the game mechanic of stun
sullen igloo
I've won a few matches where I get one shot at the start and they kill my totem ...
If they have no defenders thats happening, usually happens for me becouse i am not using defenders 🤣🤣🤣
shy steppe
yeah. I think it's like blade dancers they just immediately teleport on top of you when teh matches start lol
valid isle
which seems like it was a really dumb idea
like, why make a unit immune to the main mechanic of the game, and make it so expensive that only the enemies get it 
hard scarab
Yeah titanic shell is busted its just so expensive
sullen igloo
like, why make a unit immune to the main mechanic of the game, and make it so ex...
Just to confuse americans
hard scarab
Flanker titanic shell solos if you get lucky on favor
modern marlin
goddamn came here to vent, this league just points to biggest problem of this game in 2023, we need to zoom out more, abilities of enemies look cool and match the "umph" of their hits, but there is no way to play around kahuturoa, spear dancers etc, im at currently 500 rank with my glasscannon because 4khp 80res 70k armor jugg got one shot all the time at 250 and STILL my rank went up because of few won matches
all those dudes just shooting or slamming off screen
sullen igloo
still, made like 5 divines in an hour or so
Whaaaaaat
sullen igloo
but it was mostly lucky items
Whaaa
past spire
for this challenge ' Gain Deafening Essences from Essence Monsters (0/75) ' do i have to use remnant of corru to change a shrieking to deafening ?
shy steppe
yes
topaz pine
anyone know where is the tota cheat sheet that shows what fighters to get what rewards to chase etc. it looks like the syndicate sheet with colors etc
runic zephyr
just me or are those totems a complete waste of space and money? one time use and they arent even really doing much
frail lake
anyone know where is the tota cheat sheet that shows what fighters to get what r...
bump
frail lake
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/251211223012474880/1144420716368904243/To...
thanks!!
topaz pine
idk how true it is or anything but maybe someone pin it
gritty heath
Yooo
frail lake
idk how true it is or anything but maybe someone pin it
The pic doesn't show the potential rewards tho. Still a good guide.
bold spade
Sweet, go get Taffy's ass
runic zephyr
remember that one of those cards arent even a div and you see those fairly frequently
gritty heath
400
bold spade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/251211223012474880/1144420716368904243/To...
What's the blue? BIS?
runic zephyr
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/251211223012474880/1144420716368904243/To...
wtf do those colors even mean at "eliminate"? yellow green red? wut
topaz pine
guys i have no idea what this all about i just saw a streamer use it then found it myself after asking it here
hasty perch
Meh kitava has the cool armor its more of a trade eliminate dont eliminatr i guess
shy steppe
wtf do those colors even mean at "eliminate"? yellow green red? wut
it's based on a spread sheet. 3 tiers of rewards: Common reward, rare tattoo reward, unique reward. red = bad, yellow = ok, green = better, blue = best
I honestly don't know why there are 4 colors tho. there were only 3 in the spreadsheet it is based on
topaz pine
it's based on a spread sheet. 3 tiers of rewards: Common reward, rare tattoo rew...
are we saving the "dont eliminate" tribes to the last?
topaz pine
what you mean dont eliminate? arent we fighting all regardless?
shy steppe
red = 1-3c, yellow = <10c, good = 10+c, blue = >50c. I don't know why there needed to be different colors for red and yellow tho.
shy steppe
what you mean dont eliminate? arent we fighting all regardless?
all the good rewards are in the later rounds
you don't eliminate early.
topaz pine
all the good rewards are in the later rounds
so im saving the dotn eliminate tribes to the last
topaz pine
oh okay as i said above. what were the 3 colors under their pictures though?
shy steppe
i answered that
shy steppe
red = 1-3c, yellow = <10c, good = 10+c, blue = >50c. I don't know why there need...
this
topaz pine
but what are the reson for having 3 boxes?
shy steppe
it's based on a spread sheet. 3 tiers of rewards: Common reward, rare tattoo rew...
answered that too
topaz pine
so for example; if 1st box is red then their common reward is shit. if 3rd box is blue their uniquye reward is expensive
shy steppe
yes
topaz pine
oaky last question 😄 numbers on dont eliminate means 1 is the most valuable right?
bold spade
Kaom's face looks like he's having the shittiest of days
And he's really despondent but not really surprised by the turn of events
runic zephyr
are the enemies just wildly unbalanced? every enemy so far in this tournament i could take out so easily without even losing a totem. but this one enemy (with the bow skills) just runs into me and completely swarms me
gritty heath
The entire balance is wack
hard scarab
With the scaling how it is right now cheese is king
shy steppe
oaky last question 😄 numbers on dont eliminate means 1 is the most valuable rig...
probably, idk
hard scarab
The enemies just have so much health and frequent one shots
shy steppe
I know #1 has the additional projectile tattoo.
hard scarab
Spam ranged shit to interrupt their caps and try and avoid actually fighting at all costs
While your Flankers win the game
sullen igloo
Is this way to win all matches?
hard scarab
If you can distract the enemy defenders and kite them out to give your flankers room
runic zephyr
im playing impending doom and im ONLY defending hitting everything and theyre just taking out my totems anyways while my flankers do nothing, completely messed up that enemies dont seem to get stunned at all when interrupted...
hard scarab
Is this way to win all matches?
As long as you can avoid getting one shot it works
Until the enemy has titanic shells
Then you have to figure out a way to actually kill it
coral elm
I still hate the one shot, if I'm constantly getting one shot, just let me watch the game and make the my minions stronger, sounds a better game play
sullen igloo
Can minion build contest with warriors?
rich bolt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/251211223012474880/1144420716368904243/To...
This is quite useful, I just edited it to have the names of the warriors and tribes (I don't really associate their faces) and it's even better.
mellow elbow
is taking this node worth in the long run? or does it ensure to hit more doryanis and locus if its in the 3s and not 4s
is saving one alva mission worth the lesser chance of hitting your rooms? - thats the better qn mb
shy steppe
It's only good for adding mobs to a map. if you are doing incursion to build temples you don't want to take it
becaue in each map a room can only be chosen once. So you are reducing the odds of getting a desired room.
mellow elbow
becaue in each map a room can only be chosen once. So you are reducing the odds ...
yeah i thought so, thanks!
lofty pulsar
So with the latest hotfix, am I reading that correctly and it means a decoy totem in TotA is now useless?
shy steppe
yes
lofty pulsar
well that sucks
also, I assume it's only the players taunts they're immune to? as one of the units has "immune to taunts" as a benefit, which is now useless if it's all taunts
small robin
can any1 sell me a tainted blessing
shy steppe
also, I assume it's only the players taunts they're immune to? as one of the uni...
There is no warrior that taunts so don't think it matters?
hasty perch
becaue in each map a room can only be chosen once. So you are reducing the odds ...
actually its better to get your room too , because once you get your prefered room you stop interacting with alva , and as rooms only pop once per map you can eliminate 3 of them before taking the 4th having the highest chance to get your room
you dont go for 4 rooms every map when fishing for a room
you go up to 4
there is litteraly nothing forcing you to interact with the 4th so the notable cannot be a downgrade
nimble venture
I was thinking about leveling some skele giga summoner for trials but after the knockback nerf bricking most strats I think I'll wait a bit more
no way I'm leveling a new char until the dust settles
shy steppe
minion builds were using knockback as well. I'm not sure how they are without knocback.
hasty perch
zhp low delve miners with a billlion dps to actually kill the mobs 
fringe arch
Field masters just don't get interrupted because the ai is stupid and kills the ...
This is so irritating
austere whale
What are some good defending units? Tidecallers?
shy steppe
Consumeing KuneKune
Tidecaller is good as well.
Caldera Ravagers are good
Mystic Prophet
runic zephyr
really enjoying the open beta playtest for the new mechanic 👍 (won anyways thankfully)
patent ridge
Poe is just a beta test for ruthless 2
frail wren
hi guys
can someone answer me
im a newbie player
what league should i choose
ancestor or standard?
hasty perch
Standard is the dead league old chars go after seasons nobody plays there
It lacks the new season mechanics and the playerbase to trade
So ancestor
frail wren
thank you so much
exotic forum
really dont understand the arena fights sometimes....
Is it just players that get stunned for 5 seconds when they're hit while banishing? Cause I swear i see enemy units just simply switch targets
Then, sometimes I clear an entire side of the arena, nothing's on my totems, and then all of a sudden there is a random enemy tidecaller attacking one, without one passing by me in that direction
willow barn
who want to play
exotic forum
and defenders hardly ever actually "defend", always have to go back and deal with em directly
willow barn
just reached act 3
shy steppe
really dont understand the arena fights sometimes....
Is it just players that g...
yes. it is players only. It's the penalty to balance players being so much more powerful than the warriors
hasty perch
My main issue with trials is damage
If GGG doesnt want us to cheese it, ok
Make ennemies super tanky so we dont murder everyone then capture, ok
But why do they hit for absurd damage then
shy steppe
Well that's obvious. They have a obsession of wanting to kill players.
low nebula
is it me or is kahuturoa stupid broken?
old lily
He is the strongest one imo
I try to take him down in the first two matches
In the third he always gets a turtle
low nebula
strongest is an understatement
plucky jewel
Grimro’s spreadsheet made it easy for me
nimble venture
I mean if ggg makes every enemy into a raid boss and forces ppl into using cc and they go and nerf the cc
plucky jewel
You just have to go right for the totems
old lily
And his units are the most broken
nimble venture
also that one that got a lazor that one shots you lmao
plucky jewel
Ignore everything else
nimble venture
there is no indicator whatsoever
plucky jewel
Flankers and escorts are priority
nimble venture
you just die
plucky jewel
It helps to have a totem build obviously
lofty pulsar
It's starting to feel like whichever way I try and play it is wrong. They're all functionally immune to CC, there's no way to make yourself tanky enough to survive, my minions (of the same type) seem weak as hell compared to the enemy versions
plucky jewel
Use this spreadsheet
Eliminate all the heroes on left side
Aim for totems and ignore killing
Surround yourself with flankers and escort units
Ezmode
nimble venture
I don't even try to dps anymore I just shot arrows everywhere to at least stop their channel for a bit
also yea they only get stunned for a fraction of a second
compared to 30 years when its me
lofty pulsar
at the moment, unless it's a kunekune or thunderbird, it's taking me like 10 seconds to kill them (if my totems focus them and don't decide to all attack the walls instead)
inner pulsar
So decoy totem no longer works?
Since the recent patch made warriors unaffected by taunt
lofty pulsar
apparently not
inner pulsar
Well the league is dead to me
Before anyone tell me to attempt different strata and play a better build~ I’m playing hardcore so I cant just simply get more deeps
shy steppe
There is a new build that works, but I"m not making another build and progressing to 1k+ just for it to be nerfed as well.
low nebula
ye goliaths are totally fair
plucky jewel
What’s the new build? @shy steppe
shy steppe
uses debeon's dirge so that warcries knockback and interrupt. knockback is limited, but the interruption isn't
plucky jewel
Lol that’s ridiculous
shy steppe
If they fix 1 thing, I hope it's that enemy warriors are properly interrupted from channeling when hit. I literally just watched them take a totem while having 4 shockwave totems spamming it.
sullen igloo
Wow
bold basalt
exalts are the one before
sullen igloo
What rank you are?
plucky jewel
hmm
plucky jewel
@bold basalt is there an order in which you eliminate the opponents
or just whatever the best reward is
shy steppe
kill kahuturoa first
plucky jewel
Kahuturoa
Tawhanuku
Utula
Kiloava
Akoya
shy steppe
well that isn't a order. that is just people you don't mind eliminating before last round
you eliminate Kahuturoa first because turtle and the insane damage and area the boss has.
Not to mention the goliaths also 1 shotting with a random attack
shy steppe
Well after that one is gone, I just choose the others from the list based on favor and rewards. Prioritizing favor unless it is a huge reward like a divine.
plucky jewel
noted thanks
lofty pulsar
who is it that has the deathlaser?
grizzled moon
sirus?
shy steppe
valako
runic locust
Does anyone know if the treat monster resistances as inverted applies before cursing them?
plucky jewel
what tribe is valako?
shy steppe
valako is the tribe
low forum
can someone give me a link for halls of the dead ladder webpage
lofty pulsar
doesn't it cap out at 2k somebody found?
plucky jewel
can someone give me a link for halls of the dead ladder webpage
what is that?
low forum
ancestor rank webpage
shy steppe
Are you talking about cheat sheet (that has nothing to do with your rank) ?
low forum
no
shy steppe
There is no webpage ranking people
oh. nvm. I get what you're asking.
you're just talking about the normal ladder?
nothing to do with the league mechanic itself
low forum
no i mean hall of the dead rank page
shy steppe
still don't know what that means. What is the page ranking?
lofty pulsar
poe-racing.com I think
shy steppe
that's the ladder...
lofty pulsar
there's a section under ancestor to filter it to the ancestor ladder
shy steppe
Yeah. but halls of dead isn't the league name. Seems like he is looking for something that is specific to the league mechanic
lofty pulsar
fickle shard
Anybody know a fix for an unkillable ancestral totem? All enemies are dead, just can't kill the last totem.
visual mesa
can anyone recommend a fun build? doesnt have to be meta, just something fun. bored of cold DoT ele already
grizzled moon
hard to say what would be fun for you
visual stone
terse wyvern
What level do you ahve to be to start using Ancestor? I havne't touched teh mechanic yet im lvl 60
marsh oracle
how I forfeit in this
runic locust
logout
pale hemlock
I saw my first divine at rank 255 after patch.
plucky jewel
im at 256 havent seen a single good reward
plucky jewel
yes always
if the sponsor rewards for killing Kahuturoa first is absolute garbage do you still do it?
for example, its only offering me 250 points in Ramako
wouldn't that brick my entire run
in round 1, btw
shy steppe
I always do it no matter what. Save for divine level rewards
lofty pulsar
if you're starting with units from previous rounds, you can afford to scuff up one round, so that would probably be worth it
runic locust
More ranks, and more luck 🙂
plucky jewel
guess its RNG
marsh oracle
is everything immune to brittle in this?
uneven ice
when will they nerf this goliath of night bs
covert dragon
WHats the champion ziz build, anyone know?
idle willow
the build ziz made a video on for doing the league mechanic was reverse knockback totems, which has since been heavily nerfed in the mechanic
plucky jewel
It’s ea ballista
idle willow
don't actually know if the knockback totems were champion tho
violet nymph
Whoever thought in GGG that Goliath of Nights should one shot a tank build needs help
lofty pulsar
I would really like them to add some sort of ability to easily play at a lower rank
mellow furnace
What's a good build to push in tota mechanic?
past spire
45 maps 6/75 help please 💀
marsh oracle
302 first divine orb
plucky jewel
in this case would you pick Kaom or eliminate Utula?
@shy steppe
shy steppe
Fighting Utula wont' eliminate him. so i'd probably take the 20c since it has good favor as well.
plucky jewel
thanks for the quick response. in this case though fighting Tawhanuka would eliminate him so would that be better?
because Kaom does have hte potential for better rewards?
i guess after Kahuturoa it really is just reward dependant
shy steppe
but if you want to go by the spread sheet eliminating hinekora or fighting utula would be the play. You are going to have to decide where you draw the line between now profits and the hopes of better future profits.
plucky jewel
yea
if i dont fight kaom does he fight someone else?
and get eliminated potentially
shy steppe
yes
shy steppe
and kaom and ikiaho are the only good ones remaining for you.
blazing mortar
is dmg the only way to go now?, ive been playing aurabot and did the mech on the side with decoy totem
i dont have any dmg at all
shy steppe
non-damage still works, but you still have to hit.
blazing mortar
totem hiting things work?
shy steppe
yes
blazing mortar
guess decoy totems are just dead then. fully useless
shy steppe
Does anyone know if rf interrupts channeling? If so, that full screen rf build somoene made may be good lol
blazing mortar
i can find that in a sec, but i dont think it does
plucky jewel
i took out kaom and thank god because next round was more shit rewards lol
so if its easy 20c just take it
strong quiver
why do people keep trying to scam me when im buying maps?
this is the 3rd time ive had someone try to sell me the wrong map.
plucky jewel
do the warriors offered by the tribes change based on if they're still alive?
like i won't get high level warriors if that hero is dead?
rustic saddle
Does sanctum scale with tier?
blazing mortar
Does anyone know if rf interrupts channeling? If so, that full screen rf build s...
inconsistent but works
violet nymph
I hate whoever designed every unit this guy summons. Late matches is just impossible to win with so many goliaths and his one hit slam
blazing mortar
dont forget the turtles that protect totems, including their own
violet nymph
I just hope GGG puts a FF button here or something
Kahutoroa late matches is just impossible
shrewd token
finally divine first
somber bison
Hey guys, any1 know agood strategy for Trial after knockback nerf?
hushed parrot
Any other way to contact ggg other than bug report, about their massively bugged league? enemy units just refuse to despawn and die after they were banished and im getting tired of it.
and yes the fucker banished me while i was on the offense vs their boss.
grizzled moon
well its unlikely you'll convince them by yourself, the bug report is probably the most effective way
hushed parrot
doubt they will ever read it XD
fluid warren
How do i get back to sanctums, I failed the first one divina gives
fluid warren
okay just making sure thats all i had
grizzled moon
yeah i dont think youre expected to win the first one really
floral tundra
Man, how do you consistently survive that stupid Choir of Souls Ahuana does because for some reason that oneshots me through basically all my defensive layers
Don’t even know what type of spell that is
violet nymph
Man, how do you consistently survive that stupid Choir of Souls Ahuana does beca...
It's chaos
violet nymph
How do i get back to sanctums, I failed the first one divina gives
Sanctum books are pretty rare btw but it costs around 3c iirc, you can farm it if u have good sanctum char
fluid warren
farm it lol? im struggling to do t4 maps not happning
floral tundra
oh that would explain it
fallen pilot
when should i attempt my first match lol, i tried with like once i unlocked it and got absolutely destroyed
violet nymph
when should i attempt my first match lol, i tried with like once i unlocked it a...
for Ancestor ?
sullen garnet
they keep oneshotting
you just gotta know which ones do it
and kind of avoid them.. 😅
goliath -> don't come near
violet nymph
Storm Conduits and Goliaths are the only ones I know that can one shot
floral tundra
for some reason some of the generals (looking at you, kaom/utula/some other stuff) can also oneshot through defenses because their hits take up 75% of the screen sometimes
fallen pilot
for Ancestor ?
aye
violet nymph
aye
imho, do it when you finish the campaign
there are no benefits in doing it while playing campaign cause it's a waste of time early game
shy steppe
does this counter turtle invulnerability?
runic zephyr
wat
candid basalt
there's this dumb bug that when a titanic shell is doing the shield thing, it protects even its own even when it says it will not shield its own. pretty dumb and op i cant beat them
sweet gust
nimble venture
anyone got a list of the leaders special annoying skills? like the one shot bonk, lazor, proximity shield, etc
hard to keep track of all those weird names
grim folio
Is this where we B*tch about the stuff they need to fix on this league? Like the screen-wide AOE 1-shots that clear all your units? The leap-slam guy for example. Just lost on ROUND 1, at rank 279 because he wiped me and all my minions instantly and then obviously grabbed totems...
Feels terrible and almost no way to play around it
idle willow
my least favorite part about the league is the amount of "rules for thee but not for me" bullshit the enemies get
grim folio
Oh for sure. Where is my screen-wide 1-shotting minions! 😉
idle willow
don't get me wrong, if both sides were 100% equal, the player would just bulldoze
but like
why tf don't the enemies ever have to settle for navali's cannon fodder?
and how the hell can they have 8 dudes in the first round, you can't even get that if you win a tournament
grim folio
Ummm, well you get 3 so start I think? And then up to +4 from winning. So close
idle willow
and also, semi-related
but how, pray tell, the FUCK are you supposed to pull this shit off?
after reading a couple more times, I think it just means you have to let all of your totems be broken by the time you finish
but if it means not having any during setup?
eugh
grim folio
My buddy just said he just finished a 266 match
where his totem was the only one left
and did not get credit
idle willow
was it the final match of the tournament?
idle willow
then there is still some hope lmfao
nimble venture
one of the things that would make less frustrating for me is lowering the respawn timer
if u gonna one shot me from 2 screens away at least dont make me dc from the game
idle willow
yeah, the one shotting is the #1 issue in my eyes
frankly? I could overlook all of the goodies the enemy team gets if I could have more control over my ai teammates
nothin too crazy, just a setting below each slot that tells them what to prioritize or somethin
umbral ruin
is flamewood totem good?
brazen pulsar
Any suggestions for the best build for tournaments?
They nerfed knockback cheese, now I'm getting int 500+ ranking and struggling pretty bad on my Hexblast miner
sand knoll
I'm feeling stupid - I dont understand this things requirements. "Requires maximum 1 adjacent passive skill allocated" so can this ONLY go somewhere with 1 connected node by it??
brazen pulsar
I'm feeling stupid - I dont understand this things requirements. "Requires maxi...
Yeah like it replaces a notable
sand knoll
so i could put it here after allocating this? https://i.imgur.com/PUd6M2Y.png
or is this only the big big items like Agnostic / Glancing Blows etc
uneven ice
what are you trying to use?
fallen terrace
it means you have to make the passive a dead end
violet nymph
why do i have to shoot death guide for 20 minutes
is it a skill issue ?
full team vs 2x death guide + their commander = we lost due to death guide being unable to die
rough dagger
whole owl
Probably a shot in the dark but did someone here used 7 adjacent nodes tattoos?
fringe arch
I should never use the Incursion sacrifice unique room unless I'm upgrading one of the Vaal items yes?
hasty perch
the rooms arent only for upgrading
zealous sentinel
hey, could someone take a look at my boneshatter build... i feel like im too squishy and i deal like no dmg, cant defeat first maven invitation for example.
https://pobb.in/rUXgen3YJXTx
Trying boneshatter for the first tame this league so idk what i should change
grizzled moon
well your axe kinda sucks, you barely have any life on gear
grizzled moon
whats a divine here?
zealous sentinel
whats a divine here?
when i look for a better axe they are mostly a divine in price
grizzled moon
your axe currently its 364dps, those are 500pdps axes for 10c
but, using essences, maybe harvest you could self-craft a similar or better axe
abstract quail
anyone doing uber voidstone carry?
zealous sentinel
alright thanks, ill try to find sth on 600 dps and run again
grizzled moon
yeah if you get 600 it'll be closer to a divine
i would try to up the armor if possible, maybe take the leech wheel, vitality void
recoup, phys taken as
zealous sentinel
i would have a divine ... but i lost in the league mechanic fight for one
zealous sentinel
i would try to up the armor if possible, maybe take the leech wheel, vitality vo...
alright ill add that to the plan, ty
fringe arch
This was pure fucking luck
4 opulent rituals
With a divine in store
I have 15 chaos to my name up to this point
zealous sentinel
alright 500 dps axe in my possesion, lemme run a few red maps
warm grotto
This might be a dumb question chaps: How do I check if I've lost a round in current ToTa tournament ?
ashen prawn
why does kahuturoa hit like a freight train dude
warm grotto
kahuturoa hits like truck, and gets infini totem protect turtle later. Is always on my early kill list <_<
ashen prawn
This might be a dumb question chaps: How do I check if I've lost a round in curr...
i think its top right
i try to kill him first
but it says on the round number
i just lost to him
see that symbol next to round 3
grizzled moon
alright 500 dps axe in my possesion, lemme run a few red maps
https://pobb.in/XvNEQf25_QfT for reference, you can look at gorathas budget setup to compare
zealous sentinel
ty!
warm grotto
got it, ty
shy steppe
been here ~30 mins. my defensive line too strong lol
fair aspen
Lol. No way to win, since they won't attack. That's painful
grim gale
any chances for incoming changes for melee skills to make melee builds viable not only boneshatter ?
its masochism and not fun to play any melee build these days
fluid warren
this has got to be the stupidest mechanic at this point, no matter what comp i do i cannot win a single trial
grim gale
i play since open beta back in the days... but its so horrible to see how bad 90% of melee builds are
compared to range
hmm so try boneshatter with trauma support ?
grim gale
Hitting an enemy with
Boneshatter
or an attack supported by
Trauma Support
will grant you a Trauma status icon.pngTrauma stack, giving more Damage or added Physical Damage respectively. Divergent quality on Boneshatter also grants increased attack speed per Trauma. However, you will also take Physical Damage per Trauma stack upon gaining a new one. Only one stack can be obtained per attack, regardless of the number of enemies hit.
fluid warren
like how the fuck do you even win when they keep respawning after killing them. i die once and its a match loss
this time they didnt even kill me, and i still loss. i REALLY DONT GET IT
winged wedge
There are plenty of one-shotters in the tournament. The spear-lunging ladies are dangerous and any slammy boys are very rippy
Generally, I try to put strong guys on flanks, and casters like tidecallers or trawlers and spear-ladies on defense
Then I weather a couple of the first waves, so there is more time between their respawns
The opponent leader needs to be killed so they dont kill you
shy steppe
this has got to be the stupidest mechanic at this point, no matter what comp i d...
don't fight in your zone. Fight in middle. opponents attack and escort will not ignore you and go to your totems, only flankers will do that. so make sure you have the same amont of defenders as they have flankers. Then you just distract their attack/escort in the middle while your flankers take out their totems.
Occasionally go back and disrupt their flankers when needed.
winged wedge
And if possible fight and take out the teams you hate the most early so they can't flesh their team out. The big guy that goes "Die!" often becomes a problem
fluid warren
ive tried all defenders, all attackers, both defending/attacking
some flankers. nothing works. the momemt i die its a match loss, ill kill them 50 times, yet its not a win
i attack the totem? pfft i get stunned for 10 seconds and die
shy steppe
you don't want to kill them.
fluid warren
the only way i won one was to kill killing them over and over like 10 mins i finally won and i didnt even know why
same tactic just now just camp'd mid killed kaom over and over and won, SOMEONE explain this...
shy steppe
I did. watch streamers doing the mechanic for visual example.
If you are overpowering them where you are killing them quickly, your flankers should be able to take down totems. But if you fight inside their field, that means their attackers and escort are likely in their field as well and they can interrupt your flankers. If you are going to kill, you need to have really good dps where you are killing them all in a few seconds or aggro them out side of their base.
cyan barn
this new league mechanic sucks and i realized it only now getting to ranking 300 and i cant do anything more with mid gear - KB/PS build
i understood that i cant play the new league mechanic cz its waste of time and some of the bosses have even more hp than freaking shaper
never seen such a thing
and the bosses respawn in less then 5sec while i waited +-40seconds and i was like hol up whats going on
idle willow
best solution if the league mechanic is too insufferable for you is to sell the coins, since they're around 1c each
idle willow
then if they fix the balancing you can just start running em again
cyan barn
like when i was ranking 200 +- there was ton of good rewards 24/7
until i reached 280+- and i got offered 5jew orb/10orb fusings/crap ton of tattoos
cyan barn
then if they fix the balancing you can just start running em again
i hope so
idle willow
oh yeah, sometimes I get like 20c from a tournament, other times the best thing I get is a 6 socket lmfao
cyan barn
like it offers most of the times uniques that cost 1 alch XD
idle willow
from what I've heard, the rewards start to be consistently good at like, 500+ rank
but I honestly don't know if my build will get to that rank lmfao
cyan barn
from what I've heard, the rewards start to be consistently good at like, 500+ ra...
i dont think i can get that high its getting hard in rank 300
like im playing power siphon and kinetic blast
on mid gear
spent like 50div
and kinetic blast IS SO USELESS THERE
is started using only power siphon
idle willow
I'm running a doryani's touch berserker, aka building around having as big of a single hit as possible
cyan barn
oo
idle willow
and the energy shield enemies take like 15+ hits to kill
I can literally one-shot act bosses
cyan barn
like i kill crusader t16 rare map with hard modifiers in like 10sec
idle willow
but the enemies in here tank my shit out the ass
cyan barn
WHEN NEW LEAGUEE MECHNAIC BOSSES TAKES OVER 15SEC
cyan barn
but the enemies in here tank my shit out the ass
+++
idle willow
I'm starting to wonder if the enemies have a dps cap
cyan barn
nop
fringe arch
They just take a lot less damage from you
idle willow
I know for sure the lower tier ones don't, cus I swat them like flies
cyan barn
my build rn is lowkey glasscannon and i can tank 1 or 2 hits, but when freaking Kaom JUMPS UN ME im just ded
idle willow
but god damn the higher tier ones with energy shield are crazy
cyan barn
im dealing chaos dmg so i dont care about Energy shield xD
valid isle
the loot is good, but i shouldnt lose because 6 of my units are standing without doing anything
cyan barn
im really getting sick of this mode and its bugs
++++++
way too much bugs
im freeze immune
im getting freezed for 3sec+-
idle willow
my build rn is lowkey glasscannon and i can tank 1 or 2 hits, but when freaking ...
not to mention the lightning damage beams from across the map lmfao
cyan barn
i was like O_-
cyan barn
not to mention the lightning damage beams from across the map lmfao
YEEEEE
fringe arch
They want to incentivize using the auto battler mechanic like how Blight incentivizes using the towers (Except its executed 10 times worst)
cyan barn
They want to incentivize using the auto battler mechanic like how Blight incenti...
so true
idle willow
I'd honestly love the idea if I had more control over my goober ass teammates
violet nymph
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idle willow
like, for the love of fuck, just let me tell my flankers to prioritize the damn turtle
cyan barn
i can do any endgame content i want except new league mechanic that says i need to gamble for me divs
valid isle
i think its wild they nerfed player mechanics in the event already
but havent touched on about 90% of the bugs
cyan barn
best reward i got from new league mechanic is 15c and it was rankup to 300
cyan barn
but havent touched on about 90% of the bugs
GGG on its finest
idle willow
yeah, knockback nerf should've happened after they adressed everything
violet nymph
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fringe arch
As someone new to the game I've loved a lot of the content but I refuse to do silver coins until I'm op af because if I do it every time I'm just good enough to win a single game I'll run straight into a brick wall
violet nymph
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jade rapids
rF sucks hard for this league mechanic
cyan barn
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i feel you man 😦
violet nymph
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idle willow
cus lemme tell ya, just limiting the enemy titanic shells to 1 is not nearly enough to balance them
violet nymph
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jade rapids
Do you lose XP for dying in the hall of the dead
idle willow
nope
jade rapids
Oh, good
cyan barn
the most f£cked up bug ive seen is when enemys totems (ALL) were on molten shell from start, and no matter what i do they didnt remove XDDDDD and i just stood afk to lose
idle willow
it's a "soft" death kinda thing, doesn't turn off your auras, doesn't take away xp etc
violet nymph
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cyan barn
+++
violet nymph
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jade rapids
At least the loot is semi decent now
idle willow
your respawn timer gets halted while your totem is being channeled
cyan barn
like either u get good rewards in less then 5min or u get crap rewards in 10mins
idle willow
same applies to your units
fringe arch
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I love it when I'm fighting the Honokura champ and I'm at her ancestor totem and she's in my base and she yells Death From Above and one shots me across the map with literally nothing I can do about it
idle willow
it is agonizing to watch
fringe arch
cyan barn
I love it when I'm fighting the Honokura champ and I'm at her ancestor totem and...
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
idle willow
I love it when I'm fighting the Honokura champ and I'm at her ancestor totem and...
I mean shit, she ain't wrong lmfaoooo
valid isle
i am using a bunch of things that delay respawn
violet nymph
Whenever I channel an enemy totem it doesn't block their spawn
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valid isle
which makes the enemy respawn go from .5s to about 3s
it helps me win but enemies shouldnt have instant respawn
violet nymph
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winged wedge
Hey Piggy I am hitting I am hitting you over and over stop pretending I al not hitting you
violet nymph
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idle willow
some equipment remove the respawn halt
fringe arch
it is *agonizing* to watch
Bro the Ai for the enemy actually detect when the animation of your attacks is about to hit them before stopping Istg
violet nymph
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winged wedge
Also the spear ladies are terrifying
violet nymph
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idle willow
which is neat and all, since you get them too, the problem is: you can't tell wtf items the enemy champ has
jade rapids
League mechanic is conceptually cool but super dumb to play
fringe arch
I've literally tried htting enemies on a totem with Absolution
And they instantly stop before the lightning can hit them
Then continue channeling
cyan barn
once i played in torunament start and there were 2 tide callers with +2 projectiles i was like O_O CAN U STOP CALLING UR WAVES ALL OVER ME FOR F SAKE
fringe arch
Like what am I supposed to do to stun them when their reaction time is that fast
cyan barn
ask GGG they will answer you like this - Its ur problem
idle willow
once i played in torunament start and there were 2 tide callers with +2 projecti...
wait...those count as fucking projectiles?
jade rapids
Are there any mechanics to avoid getting pushed by the waves
cyan barn
wait...those count as fucking projectiles?
YES XDD
cyan barn
i used that crap for my tide callers
when u have them on ur team its fun until the enemy team has same
D:
idle willow
I thought "no way the extra projectiles work on those, cus it's pretty much just glacial cascade but water right?"
I stand fuckin corrected lmfao
cyan barn
XD
idle willow
"""projectile""" my ass
cyan barn
but u know whats kinda sad, that u cant equip any equipment that u buy from the npcs
like imagine +200% stealth or those extra projectiles
it would be SO MUCH EASIER
fringe arch
I stand fuckin corrected lmfao
I think its a fun interaction, Tidecallers aren't all that annoying for me
idle willow
like imagine +200% stealth or those extra projectiles
that's what I thought it was at first!
fringe arch
I mean their annoying but they don't actually do much excepg annoy me
cyan barn
they annoy me so MUCH
idle willow
had two of the stealth equipments and thought "yeahhhh, totem time" only to realize they weren't applying to me
jade rapids
What builds are actually good against the league mechanic now that knockback cheese was nerfed
cyan barn
like im destroying totem and i see 6 or mores waves BLASTING AT ME and im like oke hol up DAFUQ
fringe arch
What builds are actually good against the league mechanic now that knockback che...
Pure dps I think
Poison SRS?
cyan barn
What builds are actually good against the league mechanic now that knockback che...
ranged builds one of the best ;D
violet nymph
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i can agree so much
fringe arch
Whoever can kill across the map better wins
violet nymph
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jade rapids
At higher ranks I've heard mobs are just too tanky
idle willow
yeah, closest thing to a melee build that's gonna be usable is slams with the aoe cranked way up
cyan barn
guys if u want best experience for new league mechanic
violet nymph
Whoever can kill across the map better wins
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cyan barn
go WARD-LOOP
fringe arch
Idk it's just weird that this new mechanic has no integration with the Atlas
Like the Atlas is so well designed as a system and so is the system of modifiers behind it
idle willow
I wonder if ice wall helps with the mechanic at all lol
jade rapids
I accidentally sold a ward loop weapon for 1 alch when they go for 5c
I do think walls are good
cyan barn
XD
fringe arch
Why would they ever make a mechanic that is completely disconnected from the Atlas
cyan barn
no idea
fringe arch
It's literally a perfect mechanic
idle willow
Like the Atlas is so well designed as a system and so is the system of modifiers...
I'm especially surprised they didn't add any sanctum stuff to the atlas tree
cyan barn
oke guys i gtg sleep, work tomorrow 😦
fringe arch
It might get added later tbf
idle willow
cus sanctum is my all-time favorite mechanic
idle willow
2nd place was ultimatum, purely because of the sheer amount of loot and adrenaline
the lag spikes still haunt me tho
quick gale
after some testing,I can confirm that you can put the item on ANY unit and all your defender units get the charges. Pretty strong!
fringe arch
Iz just weird, blight feels like a tower defense mini game taking place in PoE, this feels like an autobattler trying to be molded into working wigh PoE
fringe arch
after some testing,I can confirm that you can put the item on ANY unit and all y...
O yeah I saw that item and it's very crazy
red warren
dear lord
idle willow
yeah, blight pulled it off way better imo
red warren
it needs hotfixes
idle willow
eyup
red warren
im having fun but it desperately needs balancing
Fuck slammy boys, Fuck turtles, fuck not having a death timer???
fuck having your death timer being reset when ur totem is getting hit, fuck bugged units
lol
fuck one shots from off screen
idle willow
I feel like the devs would really benefit from a handful of beta testers for the league mechanics
because holy shit how did this stuff not get found before releasing it
fringe arch
All the new Atlas passives are super cool tho
valid isle
i definately think you shouldnt fight ahuna at the final match
jade rapids
The constant scaling that you can't reverse is also dumb
valid isle
her basic attack goes through all walls and cross maps
idle willow
true, I really wanna try the expedition keystone
valid isle
and will one tap you even wtih 50k armor and 80% cold res
and she focuses on the player even if you are doing nothing
idle willow
the worst final fight imo is kiloava
jade rapids
Idk what gGG wants us to play against the mechanic
idle willow
primarily because of his units
jade rapids
You can't kill enemies and you can't hinder them
fringe arch
i definately think you shouldnt fight ahuna at the final match
Thats the Hinekora leader rite
idle willow
the proximity shields and one-shot beams are insufferable
idle willow
Thats the Hinekora leader rite
ramako I think
idle willow
the hinekora one is tawhanuku (I think I spelled it right?)
valid isle
honestly, the fact you cant use taunt
red warren
the spirits whose totems have the death aura and ur units are fucking brain broken and keep suiciding to it
love it
jade rapids
The enemies simply play by different rules
And I think that's what breaks the auto battler style they were going for
idle willow
yeah, I can understand throwing the enemy a bone, cus of how powerful the player is
fringe arch
Yeah idk
idle willow
but at this point they have enough bones to assemble a skeleton
jade rapids
Killing enemies is hardly worth it
red warren
Ideally your units should be equal to theirs and any build should be able to go to high rank with the right units
jade rapids
And becomes basically impossible later
fringe arch
I feel like the enemies AI has been put through a machine learning algorithm with the set goal of "Winning the game" and boy is it really good at doing that but boy does that not make for an entertaining fight
red warren
higher ranks, if a turtle is sitting in defense position for them, your run is bricked
red warren
basically the best flankers are the wallers, best defenders are the tidal girls and u hope ur AI isn't broken
idle willow
higher ranks, if a turtle is sitting in defense position for them, your run is b...
100%, a turtle on your team in defense? not nearly as much
jade rapids
I guess you could try scaling knockback distance
fringe arch
It's really really good at avoiding stuns and always goes in aggro and perfectly prevents you from flanking unless EVERYBODY is at your team
red warren
100%, a turtle on *your* team in defense? not nearly as much
it took me 2 mins of straight shooting it at rank 550 to kill it
can't imagine it at higher ranks
idle willow
and your reward? 3 chromatic orbs lmfao
red warren
i ignore rewards mostly unless its like a divine+ until final round anyway
your real money is at the end
fringe arch
Me watching the mini map seeing the enemy flankers constantly doing chip damage to my totems and perfectly timing it so they avoid stun
red warren
and ive been making good money there
its not as good as if i was doing my normal legion smashing but its a nice break
fringe arch
My flankers running straight into their totems to channel and not stopping when their about to get hit
valid isle
i just dont know why they disabled so many mechanics for this content
idle willow
yeah, I've gotten some cool stuff from it, just wish it didn't feel like running a slot machine with a 5 minute spin lol
fringe arch
I literally watched one of my boar flankers use its charge ability to get to a totem when its literally faster for it to walk there
Then it got stunned because it started channeling in front of an enemy
Then my thunderbird went right after it, did the same and died
idle willow
one time I watch my unit chasing an enemy in a circle around a totem for like 30 seconds
I really wish I had a way to make my attackers prioritize totems more
idle willow
still holding a grudge over the time I lost a tabula to a lag spike tbh
dreamy arrow
these titanic shell turtles protecting their own totem alongside very other totem in its team at roundstart is just such a feelsbadman 😦 like... theres no way to counter it.
torpid turtle
I'm looking through path of building for the new avenging flame/flamewood support gem. But spell damage doesn't seem to effect it? Even though it's catagorized as a spell.
red stone
Wonder if after the cheese nerfs, making a giga juiced cursebot would be the way to get those high rank matches going
red warren
I also hate how certain tribes units are just pure trash
pale hemlock
Who the best flanker?
pale hemlock
Really?
red warren
fieldmaster
pale hemlock
I liked the prox shield dude
pale hemlock
And the dude that freezes
red warren
my priority for flankers is fieldmaster>thunderbird
shy steppe
Bird is #1 flanker. wall guy is #1 support flanker for bird.
red warren
my prioriy for defenders are tide chick>spearfisher
pale hemlock
Thunderbird is like super squish. Enemy looks at him and he dies
red warren
get the relic that increases its movespeed and decreases revive time 🙂
shy steppe
? I aggro their whole base at the start
no one attacking my bird.
and that is why wall guy is support.
walls mess up ally ai as well as enemies and bird is immune to this because of teleport.
restive cedar
there could be a 500 divine reward for fighting Kahuturoa and I just straight up won't do it
this is next level miserable
analog imp
there could be a 500 divine reward for fighting Kahuturoa and I just straight up...
same
they managed to kill my AG twice with his best gear what is suppossed to make him unkillable
dreamy arrow
it took me 2 mins of straight shooting it at rank 550 to kill it
im at rank 984... Killing a turtle takes me about 5 or so minutes if I dont get interrupted... Factor in that the turtle likes to INSTANTLY protect its own totem and like 5 to 8 more... (my record was every single totem besides a single one) and youre screwed... 99% units break and stay infront of units
restive cedar
It's weird that all my units die in one hit, but it takes someone with a DPS measured by shapers to take down one unit on the enemy team
if they wanted to go for the tft vibe, they could have at least made my team competant
solemn coral
holy hell dropped an apothecary
onyx nimbus
Over rank 700 kaom is so hard wtf, lost 3 divines because the jump in difficulty was hudge compared to previous fights
valid isle
i hate how useless defenders are at higher rank
4 defenders regularly lose to a single attacker, even if my defenders are beefy things
shy steppe
Don't think that is true.
shy steppe
been here ~30 mins. my defensive line too strong lol
this was rank 700+
What are you considering "higher" rank?
grim gale
sad.. league mechanic is anoying af 😦
valid isle
how are you even doing anything at that rank, @shy steppe
i die in one auto attack from anything already at 400
like, even just a stray arrow
shy steppe
run around placing totems. interrupting them and let my flankers do all the work
shy steppe
That is how you play tho. I'm interruping them. That is my role lol
pull aggro so they don't go after my flankers
hollow sigil
Spear Dancers don't get enough shit for how broken they are
shy steppe
It's an auto-battler. can't be all about me.
hollow sigil
Literal instant one shot from off screen
restive cedar
see that's what im saying
valid isle
i figured that arc would interupt them
restive cedar
it aint an autobattler
valid isle
but it often doesnt
i try to kite and use arc to tag things, but it seems to only stun the main target... if it stuns
valid isle
That is how you play tho. I'm interruping them. That is my role lol
i get what you are saying, but the fact that you die from any attack and then dont do anything, while all the other units have infinite hp functionally doesnt fit the theme of an auto battler either
id be okay if we got to use a leader unit and instead just issued orders
naive shadow
4 defenders regularly lose to a single attacker, even if my defenders are beefy ...
Ikr like what's the point
Our units are so fucking pointless
Even with the 100% max hp on them it's still like 1/8th of the enemy units lmao
restive cedar
You aren't allowed to have too much fun
i don't like that late game is synonymous with one-shots. Like... are one shots fun?
naive shadow
Yeah God forbid you get one shot stopping 1 of the 16 totems getting destroyed by shielded ranged cappers while fighting 6 unkillable unique mobs in front of you while your flankers cant get one totem because there is a fucking army of 10 defenders stopping caps
But my defenders are busy getting 2 shot from across the map with hp scaling items on each of them
restive cedar
looks like we gotta find build specifically for the ancestors mechanic. Like knockback on hit to get em to fak off
naive shadow
I feel like our stats are scaled down insanely or something
naive shadow
Lol
restive cedar
the instant respawns is redic
idle willow
looks like we gotta find build specifically for the ancestors mechanic. Like kno...
knockback build was already used, abused, then nerfed
restive cedar
I have said "I just killed you" to the high HP bosses dozens of times
idle willow
you'd think they'd nerf it after fixing their shit, but no
restive cedar
they are quick to nerf cheese tactics instead of just letting me play the game
valid isle
i think thats my biggest gripe are the huge bugs that are obviously bugs
like most enemies having very short respawn times
i cant imagine its intentional that most things have a respawn of 1s on the enemy side
yet even if you use the speedy respawn units or the ones that improve respawn time as a buff, you still take 5~15
naive shadow
I was wondering if it was some mechanic or totem, cause earlier I killed a flankers by the time I said out loud "okay the only flankers dead" it had already respawned and was walking towards me
But it makes sense if it's a bug
I feel like they want poe to be poe 2 so badly ever since lok
restive cedar
It better be a bug, bc enemies come back way too fast. But, when I die, I can go make tea and hit the gym before I come back
naive shadow
Makes me kind of not excited for poe 2 because it's starting to be clear that poe 2 is just anti fun mode
Halo 2 legendary level of "difficulty" scaling
brazen pulsar
Anyone made a tier list for Warriors?
thick stratus
crisp frost
i just found my biggest drop ever,i'm so happy ! ,hope i can sell it :p
dreamy arrow
Rank 1001 bois! lets gooo
valid isle
Rank 1001 bois! lets gooo
i stopped around 400, since its just become such a grind lol
valid isle
rewards are great for sure
the mechanics though are so aggrivating lol
it fits into my general aggrivation of PoE as a whole though
you stack 30 defensive layers and still get one shot anyway
obsidian pelican
They gotta make it so titanic shells cannot ever respawn