tooldev-general

[obtuse citrus]

it's for the type conversion when they added fragment stash tab

[simple ravine]

both are ItemClass idx 38

[obtuse citrus]

oh then that has changed it used to be different classes too

either way it was done when they added fragment tab

[simple ravine]

ModDomain is different. Flag0 is False on the one that is not referencing a FragmentBaseItemTypesKey

ok

[violet path]

isn't how that worked is whenever a new one dropped or was put into the fragment tab, it changed types?

[obtuse citrus]

yea

[simple ravine]

the intersting thing is that the second has a MOD_DOMAIN if 25, which is defined as UNDEFINED, I guess unkown or something?

whereas the other one has 14, which is MAP_DEVICE

but yeah, seems consistent with things such as offering to the godess in there as well

[obtuse citrus]

not unknown , undefined

ModDomains.dat doesn't have as many rows

I'm pretty sure that's just a special value for nothing in that case

[simple ravine]

Ah success

[compact isle]

another Dark+ user I see

[simple ravine]

It's Visual Studio 2019 Preview

Got to change this:

In Text Editor -> C#

[compact isle]

oh interesting it seems like the same colour set as I use in VSCode 😄

[simple ravine]

yeah, very similar indeed

[compact isle]

definitely nicer than whatever I have set as default in VS 2019

[simple ravine]

I also changed to JetBrains Mono font, which is slightly nicer than Consolas

Is there a good live unit testing thing for VS Code btw?

funny how that's gated behind Enterprise version in Visual Studio

[compact isle]

none that I've found

[simple ravine]

I can understand the peformance diagnostics and architecture stuff is gated behind enterprise, but live unit testing? ah come on, should be available in Community edition, at least Pro

[compact isle]

it's possibly the one thing I actually enjoyed about JetBrain's IDEs

[simple ravine]

PhpStorm etc?

[compact isle]

yeah

[simple ravine]

Do you opt to use VS Code over PhpStorm nowadays though?

or just use VS Code for other things?

[compact isle]

I use it instead, only one web dev in our team is still on phpstorm

but I also use VS Code for when I have to dive into C++ stuff although it is utterly useless at doing anything really

[simple ravine]

And the obvious follow-up question would be the reason why

[compact isle]

it's fast

[simple ravine]

Oh, so PhpStorm is noticeably slower, to the point where the pros are outweighed by the slowness?

[compact isle]

I think the unit tests part is the only thing I haven't been able to sort in VSCode, there aren't really any other benefits to PHPStorm I can think of

I use the intelephense plugin for VSCode which gives everything I need from an IDE in terms of code assistance

xdebug works fine, auto formatting / static code analysis all have good plugins etc

[simple ravine]

nice indeed

[compact isle]

I suppose one more thing to praise VSCode for is it's customisability since I can just hide all the unnecessary windows away 99% of the time

[simple ravine]

for me, vs code is not convenient enough over visual studio, especially when it comes to project and solution management, nuget referencing etc

yeah, vs code is really useful, i use it a lot for one-offs and simple things

also use it as a nice text editor, because of the nice colors

[compact isle]

I still use Visual Studio for actual C++ compiling or C# since VSCode just isn't good enough in those areas

[simple ravine]

but when I try to understand Omega's python, I do that in VS Code

it does a good job at that, although I am terribly bad at understanding that code base 😄

[compact isle]

haha yeah python is good in VSCode

[simple ravine]

at work I don't do much coding anymore, except when helping some of our architects with some stuff, but one thing I did was try mermaid js plugin for vs code

works pretty good... mermaid js is like defining sequence diagrams (and other types) with 'code'

works pretty nice

[worthy cape]

I’ve recently gotten back to actual VS for C++ after a long while in Code land, it’s weird but finally getting up to speed again.

It’s going to be rough if I ever pivot into professional C++ dev, these c++latest/20 features are so nice.

[simple ravine]

why rough?

[worthy cape]

You know you’re using the right stuff when IntelliSense is all squiggly on you.

Because any shop you go to will have actual constraints on what language standard to use, especially if multi platform.

[simple ravine]

ah, yes

[worthy cape]

I know nada about say PoE but I’d guess they might be on C++14, maybe 17 at best.

[simple ravine]

would it be a mess to "upgrade" to latest?

[worthy cape]

What do you do when the fixed toolchain for console X doesn’t have it implemented?

[simple ravine]

I mean, for an example, with C# 7 code-base, you could upgrade it to C# 9 with zero implications

[worthy cape]

Changes have risks in possibly altered behavior.

[simple ravine]

Isn't C++ just compiled into native code anyways?

[worthy cape]

I know of studios that commit whole compilers to version control up front in a project and never update.

[compact isle]

we're using C++17 atm

[worthy cape]

Woo!

[compact isle]

most likely console requirements will hold us back if anything

[simple ravine]

Would upgrading to C++20 mean leaving behind some 'targets'?

I thought that the compiling would take care of all those shenanigans

[worthy cape]

Vendors may be more flexible these days when compilers are more stock, it used to be baaaad.

[simple ravine]

i.e. C++ compiling into machine code?

[worthy cape]

You got the vendors fork of GCC 2.93 and CodeWarrior IDE and you were happy about it.

SDKs are not just compilers, they’re also libraries and tooling which needs to work together, not to mention runtime bits that are on the target device already.

[simple ravine]

oh, i thought C++17/20/etc was language versions

busted 😄

[worthy cape]

I know nothing of cert, but wouldn’t surprise me if things are a bit regulated there too.

The C++ standard includes the changes to the vendors standard library supporting the implementation.

[pseudo ocean]

Most larger c++ code bases I've worked with where super light in the new c++ features, really trashes compile times a lot, debug builds with stl containers don't even work etc

[worthy cape]

If you plan to interop with the things already deployed your hands may be tied, and is it worth straying outside of the tested path?

[simple ravine]

right, one of the reasons why .NET Framework died a painful death

they couldn't change things they felt they wanted to change, because of expected behavior, as .NET Framework was installed centrally in the GAC

but I feel they've done a good job keeping it sane in .NET Core between versions, even major versions

fairly painless upgrade

[worthy cape]

Noteworthy is that it’s not just your code in a game. It’s third party libraries, some of which you may not even have source for and which the vendor might only guarantee will work with the particular SDK you have.

[simple ravine]

yeah, that's a pain in most ecosystems I presume

[pseudo ocean]

I mean it's system dev right so most apis are c anyway

[worthy cape]

Xbone went rather hard on WinRT I thought?

[simple ravine]

I guessed that for C++, the .dll files (or .so) would be compiled into something that would be independent on the user's SDK version

i.e. compiled into binary stuff where behavior was 'fixed'

[worthy cape]

That has its own nice portability tho 🙂

[simple ravine]

I dont know much about Xbox stuff, sorry

[worthy cape]

@simple ravine if you use dynamic runtimes, you need to match them across module boundaries if the shared state is supposed to be, well, shared.

[simple ravine]

but now thinking about it, that would probably mean huge dlls

[pseudo ocean]

I guess they still do the uwp for apps and low level apis for games stuff, but maybe it's all winrt now

[worthy cape]

That puts some icky constraints on what runtime support you have.

[simple ravine]

yeah, there are also some interopability between C++/WinRT and .NET

[worthy cape]

Want to allocate in one module and free in another or pass a vector or string class across the edge? Ho ho ho.

[simple ravine]

weird things

I am just crossing my fingers that MAUI will be somewhat nice

so we dont have to look back at UWP and WPF etc

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/introducing-net-multi-platform-app-ui/

it's gonna target .NET 6 though, so it's about 1 year out

[worthy cape]

Time for me to actually sleep now, it’s somehow Monday already.

[pseudo ocean]

Microsoft UI kit #16

[simple ravine]

hehe

[pseudo ocean]

Idk what microsoft is up to now a days anyway they are literally all over the place

[simple ravine]

yeah I agree with you on that front... the UI space is for some reason really awkward for most platforms, especially for being 2020

I guess most people spent too much time trying to fit web stuff into it, and then realized it might not be what people actually wanted, while some were just watching to see what people would land, including Microsoft (watching)

on the term of sleeping, I should do the same probably... alarm goes off at 7-ish

[pseudo ocean]

Gn

[simple ravine]

just need to make a quick unit test for the last piece of code

amazing, ~75 lines of code in one go, and it works on first try

[simple ravine]

@civic crane

All 82 fields for all 7267 rows

it was a pain to write lol

[simple ravine]

Culling all the unknown columns, shaves it down to 49ms

[rustic ferry]

I've noticed that there are some .dat files that are missing, but are included in the .datl files such as 'GemTags', anyone have a tool for reading .datl?

[civic crane]

@simple ravine and what about GrantedEffectsPerLevel ? 🙃

[simple ravine]

@civic crane I pushed the code so you can try :p

[velvet fog]

@rustic ferry GemTags.dat is exists

-rw-rw-r-- 2 nobody nobody 3074 Oct 14 07:16 3.12.4.1/Data/GemTags.dat

[rustic ferry]

Hmm weird, it doesn't show up for me, probably something I've done, thanks

[worthy cape]

@rustic ferry in case you’re curious, the L variation of DAT supposedly have UTF-32 text

[velvet fog]

I am looking for an alternative to qtip3. As a floating display item, I need ajax function and display html.

[civic crane]

https://atomiks.github.io/tippyjs/v6/html-content/
https://atomiks.github.io/tippyjs/v6/ajax/

[velvet fog]

Tippy is better than I expected, thanks

[broken cloud]

Was going absolutely mad trying to figure out why my stash was reported as changed when I was 100% sure it hadn't been touched at all...

[simple ravine]

@broken cloud wait wat, so they changed it for you eh?

[broken cloud]

No, it looks like veiled mods are not guaranteed to remain consistent (seems to pick something random between Prefix01 and Prefix05)

[simple ravine]

But why would it change while being stationary in your stash though

[broken cloud]

Yes, why????????

[simple ravine]

So, the question is if this is exploitable in the sense that one could gather what hides behind those Prefix01-05

And if it's worth putting any energy into

[worthy cape]

I thought it was just decorational with the different squigglies?

[simple ravine]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[broken cloud]

Yup, makes no difference to the end user... but isn't it more work randomizing the prefix every time I request my stash data, instead of just generating it along with the other item stats? I wonder how it's implemented

Or could this actually be something exploitable

[civic crane]

idk what the intention of this randomization because you can search by veiled prefixes and suffixes of all syndicate members on trade site

[simple ravine]

Well it's a bit like shroedinger's cat

if you don't access it through the API, will it change by itself?

if you open your stash tab in game, will it change? will you know?

😄

[broken cloud]

Hmm, the veiled squigglies change at random both on the website and in-game (you can get a new one by switching areas)... seems to be purely cosmetic

What a tremendous pain for my stash tab monitoring though

[worthy cape]

When the league was new, I believe it was said that the different videos were decorative.

[finite cypress]

Is there a good source for all affix mods in the game? One that can be readily used within a program.

[simple ravine]

google RePoE

I think it should have what you need in there

what should be known though is that what people call mods, are normally stats

and mods have 1 or more stats together with level and ilvl constraints

or is level constraints on the stat? cant remember right now

[finite cypress]

hmmm, its purple for me, i'll need to check it again. 🙂 ty
https://spidermari.github.io/

the middle column from that is what i'm looking for

just so that when i grab my stash i can line up something like
+1 to maximum number of Raised Zombies
to

to maximum number of Zombies

[simple ravine]

Right, it's weaved together by 3 sources of information

StatDescriptions, and then Mods.dat and Stats.dat

[finite cypress]

is that all taken from the ggpk file?

[simple ravine]

yeah, StatDescriptions is a text file which is parsed using a few different rules

and the dat files are binary and parsed using a different method

[worthy cape]

A baked source like RePoE is so much easier.

[simple ravine]

for sure is

[finite cypress]

i'll look into that some more. Just needed something simple to parse the explicit/implicit/crafted mods

didn't want to do it by hand

[simple ravine]

if you want to get going quickly, grab the pre-cooked stuff and you'll be hitting the ground running, rather than diving into alive in wonderland with all the parsing

yeah, it's in JSON format, so should be easy

https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE/tree/master/RePoE/data

[finite cypress]

i really wish GGG just did something like "name":"value"

[simple ravine]

if you check the data folder, there's a bunch of stuff

[finite cypress]

yeah, i'm looking at it now

looks like they keep it up to date

[simple ravine]

actually I don't see the mod translations anywhere

only mods.json which would need some stat translations

[finite cypress]

I'm trying to find something like "maximum_number_of_skeletons"

[simple ravine]

ahh, stat_translations.json

in data folder

and stats.json

[finite cypress]

looks like multiple entries for a "mod", they used in different cases?

[simple ravine]

and mods.json lol

likely yeah

one sec, it's been a year or two since i looked at this

so it depends what you want to do, really

the thing you mention is a stat, which is included in a mod

[finite cypress]

trying to do something similar to Looty

[simple ravine]

sorry, don't know what Looty is

[finite cypress]

grab all my stash, sort items by "max life" etc

[simple ravine]

ah

[finite cypress]

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/832233

browser plugin, nicely done

[simple ravine]

ok so.. first off the lines you see in the item jsons you're grabbing from your stash endpoints

are not mods, those are actually stat lines

so that's worth mentioning firstly

most mods have 1 stat

but as you're likely aware, there are some mods that players call "hybrid mods" or similarly

[finite cypress]

"explicitMods": [
"+14 to Armour",
"+99 to maximum Life",
"Regenerate 27.8 Life per second",
"+43% to Fire Resistance",
"+43% to Cold Resistance"
],

[simple ravine]

thsoe are mods with 2+ stat lines

[finite cypress]

yeah, i'm just starting out simple

want to parse out that

[simple ravine]

so if you don't need to understand exactly which mod or tier this is, your life becomes easier

because then you can focus on the stats alone

[finite cypress]

right, i just want the value and the type

[simple ravine]

well, you could do some crude parsing yourself, without involving all of this stuff too

[finite cypress]

that's what i want to avoid

i just found some python lib that does a fuzzy compare

[simple ravine]

  {
    "English": [
      {
        "condition": [
          {}
        ],
        "format": [
          "+#"
        ],
        "index_handlers": [
          []
        ],
        "string": "{0} to maximum number of Skeletons"
      }
    ],
    "ids": [
      "base_number_of_skeletons_allowed"
    ]
  }

this is from stat_translations.json

[finite cypress]

so it can match up
+1 to maximum number of Raised Zombies ('# to maximum number of Zombies', 95)

right, so if i grab a list of those strings, i can compare my item

[simple ravine]

the ids point to stats.json

yeah, what you can do is make some funky regex generator and go nuts 🙂

[finite cypress]

oh no, no regex for me :p

https://pypi.org/project/fuzzywuzzy/

[simple ravine]

well, whatever you use, I think that's your entry point to diving into things

[finite cypress]

this looks to find matches well, then it's just a matter of getting the difference for the value

[simple ravine]

so, to sum up:

What you see in the items are "translated stats", hence the stat_translations.json which will give you the format and the internal stat used.

[civic crane]

never do any kind of fuzzy search with poe translations)

[simple ravine]

stats are grouped into mods, and then mod groups, to become a little extra curricular

an item can only have one mod rolled from each mod group

[finite cypress]

this is ofcourse all documented on the GGG Api page, right 😉

[simple ravine]

hence why you sometimes can see an item with a lot of Item Rarity consuming both a prefix and a suffix, as (form my knowledge) is the only mod that both have a prefix and a stuffix mod group

[finite cypress]

@civic crane no? even for the simple strings?

[simple ravine]

I think biting the bullet with some regex is the better option

[woeful sphinx]

what you can do for matching is just replacing numbers and format tags in both strings

that'll be pretty simple regex

[finite cypress]

well, it's just a "fun" side project, so anything that becomes too tedious will likely fail for me

[simple ravine]

well, now you know

let us know how it goes

[woeful sphinx]

so {0} to maximum number of Skeletons and +1 to maximum number of Skeletons both become # to maximum number of Skeletons

[finite cypress]

@woeful sphinx yeah, once I have the 2 strings that's likely the next step. Just finding the right target

@simple ravine thank you for the help, much appreciated! I'll have to come here instead of reddit. 🙂

also suggested:
https://www.pathofexile.com/api/trade/data/stats

[simple ravine]

yeah, most hang out here

better for discussions to chat 🙂

[simple ravine]

wonder if these description files are hand woven

[obtuse citrus]

given the typos I've seen I think so

messed up my parser a few times

[dull laurel]

haha spaces vs tabs 😄

[worthy cape]

Thanks for reminding me of the horrors that are .ao files

[dull laurel]

what does 1|# and #|-1 mean? the end is obvious, negate the value, because the verb indicates the minus already

[civic crane]

min max condiction to select correct translation string for stat value

[worthy cape]

So you can have different translations for weird languages that have different plurals and whatnot like russian?

one two many etc.

Also conveniently disappears the string when zero, neat.

[civic crane]

unfortunately for some reason they just copy English strings and only translate those. so it's not a full localization with plural forms)

[dull laurel]

ah, so 1 <= x <= # and # <= x <= -1, and # being MIN_INT and MAX_INT respectively

[simple ravine]

yes however, there is now sometimes exclamationmarks in there

https://github.com/andreandersen/PoeSharp/blob/new/src/PoeSharp.Filetypes/StatDescriptions/StatDescriptionParser.cs#L30-L32

rasmus told me about it the other day forgot to ask if he figured out what it was all about tho

private static readonly Parser<string> Range =
    from range in Parse.Chars("-0123456789#|! ").AtLeastOnce().Text().Token()
    select range.Trim();

[civic crane]

😅

[simple ravine]

haha ye

some of the handwoven bs

this is code from 2-3 years ago, so might not be needed anymore, or even more stuff might be needed

https://github.com/andreandersen/PoeSharp/tree/master/src/PoeSharp.Metadata/Translations

but I also have this in the master branch still

trying to figure out how I should do with the new branch, where I am kind of cleaning and refactoring things

[civic crane]

10 matches, still needed

[simple ravine]

oof

in the master branch, I had this thought of having PoeSharp.Files as more of the lower-level functionality, and PoeSharp.Metadata being the higher level functionality

perhaps that wasn't such a bad idea

opinions welcome

[worthy cape]

I've got a separation in poe::format::* and higher level functionality built on each file format, including GGPK, index and bundle.

[worthy cape]

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/cppblog/c11-and-c17-standard-support-arriving-in-msvc/

The future is now \o/

Hopefully this is actual support and not weasel-words around language vs. library like they had with C99 and C11.

[frank kayak]

i expect something worse than GNUisms

[worthy cape]

Knew it, no VLAs ever, no threads/atomics yet.

Everything optional is not there 😄

[simple ravine]

Yeah, GGPK is just an implementation of IDirectory pretty much

where I have DiskDirectory as well, so you can choose where you want to grab your stuff from.

But I think I want to make Bundle things transparent to both of those implementation, at least as an option.

For generalists, I dont think there's any interest in messing around with Bundle stuff specifically. It's just another container inside another container to get to where they really wanna go

[worthy cape]

I have it as building blocks for the VFS.

[simple ravine]

But from the API surface you will see the bundles, or?

If you'd open a GGPK file

[worthy cape]

Plan is to tell it to open a directory or ggpk file, auto-detect if it's a standalone installation (old/new), steam installation (old/new) or an exploded directory tree, and produce IDirectory and IFile from both bundle and disk.

The low-level format::ggpk would get you the raw tree with the bundles or whatever is inside the pack file, which the VFS would build on.

Just not sure what kind of API to offer that makes sense with how current-era bundles represent directories and files.

[simple ravine]

Right, you're in a little different position, as you want to also keep track of the old stuff, I guess

[worthy cape]

Yeah, I definitely want to support old-style installations and loose GGPK files.

As well as my deduplicated sqlite3-based storage.

[simple ravine]

Ambitious hehe

[worthy cape]

My codebase has one comment:

/*
 * There are several types of installations and data sources we might want to consider:
 *  - a legacy standalone installation with a v2 GGPK file that contain just loose files;
 *  - a legacy Steam installation that contains a v2 GGPK file that contain just loose files;
 *  - a legacy "outlined" GGPK index with payloads deduplicated in a separate sqlite3 database;
 *  - a standalone installation with a v3 GGPK file that contain loose files and bundles;
 *  - a Steam installation with loose files and bundles;
 *  - an exploded directory tree, typically sourced from other tools or development.
 */

[simple ravine]

inb4 PoE 2 has even more shenanigans

I'm gonna lose my shit if that's the case

I have a feeling dats etc will be reworked

[worthy cape]

Sadly time to think is rare these days, have barely written anything since launch.

[simple ravine]

I didn't fancy the league that much, so I've been doing 50/50

but not very intense to be honest

[worthy cape]

New work project is at a breakneck pace with weekly status meetings where I'm expected to have somehow made progress since the last week.

[simple ravine]

oof

[worthy cape]

@civic crane APT is very confused now, seems to think that exa are 1c each, people say that there's quite the poisoning of exa for chaos listings on trade.

[wind garden]

yaaa something is very broken

[worthy cape]

Ugh, poe.ninja thinks it's 1:1 too.

[grave wren]

everything is fine

just sell me your ex for 1c

[wind garden]

we all knew the market woudl crash someday....

[grave wren]

market seems slow either way

[simple ravine]

oh snap

i think rasmus is away and wont be back at his computer for a few days

[wind garden]

I don't think poe.ninja is the issue

poe.com is listing chaos:ex as 1:1

[frank drift]

people are memeing the trade site

[frank kayak]

i guess i can buy 1ex now...

[frank drift]

368ex : 1c etc

[wind garden]

I think something is actually broken on GGG's end

trade site isn't even loading searches now

[simple ravine]

how about river prices

[wind garden]

same

[simple ravine]

elaborate plot?

[wind garden]

or possibly more of an economic bubble

[civic crane]

dead game 🙃

[wind garden]

people see others listing chaos for ridiculous rates, so others do it too

[simple ravine]

seems fine in HC

[wind garden]

currency prices are all kinds of weird this league

regals going for like 16:1 chaos?

never seen them that low

[simple ravine]

i remember when they were 1:2c

[grave wren]

heist shits out low currency

besides alts

[simple ravine]

time to buy some exalts

guild mates say a group is trying to manipulate

so i guess bots

[grave wren]

just got my cat

\o/

wouldnt surprise me if its 30c to an ex soonish

[simple ravine]

i have seen a ton of bots this league

surprised they didnt drive the price up as per usual

[grave wren]

same but i guess its way less than before

[simple ravine]

looks like prices are back

[civic crane]

I think your algo has deviation limit unlike poeninja

[simple ravine]

poeninja also has some for this

apparently some russian streamer

[worthy cape]

Patch countdown 30min, nothing new for us I guess.

[simple ravine]

no more playtime for me tonight

probably for the best. this archmage build is so janky

[minor charm]

Somewhat PoE related question since the app will monitor client.txt. If I released an open source desktop app that communicated with a remote server. How would I authenticate that the desktop client app has no modifications from the open source release? I want to have the ability to check that the clients sending events to the server have not been fiddled with

[civic crane]

sign exe. You just cannot?

[minor charm]

It seems to sign an exe I would need a cert from a Certificate Authority no ?

ah it's called code signing. thanks for tip off

[civic crane]

I'm not sure if it's gonna help now

[minor charm]

all good. I know what i wanted to do but I didn't know what it is called.

I am gonna have a readup on code signing

[civic crane]

I mean you have to use some information from this cert in request body when contacting to your server. and make sure that I cannot fake it. for example I can sniff network traffic, then recompile program with hardcoded "this special info taken from cert", and your server will think request legitimate. can even not bother with recompiling and fire requests from curl

[minor charm]

I see. That will be a problem for sure

[simple ravine]

so after last night's debacle, we can determine that the economic nature of PoE is not entirely resilient eh

[grave wren]

What do you mean? I'd not expect the price drop to be due to the troll pricing

[simple ravine]

From 60 to 40 after a ruckus

[violet path]

the new patch enabled a previously non-functioning mod that duplicates currency chests

[simple ravine]

yeah, that's probably also part of it

on another note, the wiki page on frameTypes, is it up-to-date or do we have new ones?

current list there is frameType 0-9, where 9 is relic

@minor charm Any communications with your API should be treated as untrusted. You cannot verify that the thing at the other end is legitimate whatsoever.

Not even hardware fobs and other mechanisms would help here. All you can do is authenticate the user and authorize the use of the communication.

[frank drift]

40 was predicted even before yesterday happened

maybe the trolling had an effect but there was already a large panic in progress from grimro's video, reddit, etc

[simple ravine]

yeah, grimro the authority of poe, lol

[frank drift]

?

he's very influential of late

[simple ravine]

i just remembered the way he started out, and yeah... no comment

[grave wren]

Dunno was 52c for a bit then dived again after the trinket fix

Sounds like his prediction was correct then

[worthy cape]

@minor charm regardless of open source-ness you cannot trust the client at all. It’s the oldest problem in the book, if it’s running outside of your full control it can be meddled with. You can make it harder to mess with in certain aspects by various mitigations like using encrypted communication, obfuscated program and code, relying on more trusted parts of the OS but it’s an endless arms race that you’re on the losing side of.

Many devs got a fun awakening when porting console games to PC and where their previous trust in the client platform comes back to bite them as it’s way easier to cheat on desktop than consoles.

[worthy cape]

I like Novynn’s fix for custom-note listings on the official trade site, I hadn’t thought of that kind of approach. Guess that’s why they pay him the big web bucks. 🙂

[broken cloud]

Ohhhhh so that's what that was for! Nice

[worthy cape]

cf. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-post/23630711

[minor charm]

@worthy cape @simple ravine understood. That's a bummer 😦

Thanks

So there would be no reasonable way to trigger events from client.txt and have trust that those events are legitimate from server side 😦

[worthy cape]

Correct, you have to trust the user.

You can have integrity checks to prevent corruption and accidental malfunction, but against an adversary you're hosed.

[minor charm]

rough

[worthy cape]

I've got some tools that I'd rather not have users manipulate, but have settled for shipping binaries and hope that people behave.

(helped by that they don't do anything I have to trust in turn)

[minor charm]

I considered that but I don't think many people would like to install something that is closed source and is tantamount to spyware

[worthy cape]

The prospective subset of users I had didn't seem to care much, but that requires previously established trust.

[violet path]

don't have to share if you don't want but jw what tool/use case you were planning @minor charm

[minor charm]

Thats interesting. Building trust is a bit hard

Just an timer/event app that triggers when character speech lines get entered into client.txt e.g kill kitava a5 and so on

Since as far as I know it's the only way to get events that aren't against ToS

[worthy cape]

Racing-type stuff, eh?

[minor charm]

yea

[violet path]

yeah i wish /whois bots were given a green light but i guess chat commands are technically serverside so non-tos

doesn't have to be character text tho, client logs when ppl enter a new zone

[worthy cape]

That's tricky, generic users that have a vested interest in being sneaky.

[violet path]

not as exact for a5 kitava

gl with it tho hope it gets off the ground

[frank kayak]

showing a popup info on /whois should be ok i think

[minor charm]

Thanks. I've got a few other ideas but they all require established trust

[worthy cape]

Befriend all racers and OCR the friend list on a horde of client machines 😄

[finite cypress]

does anyone know if this page is kept up to date?
https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Public_stash_tab_API
I don't see the category field in the data i'm getting

or do I then need to read through these posts
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/674

[broken cloud]

Only works for data gotten from public-stash-tabs endpoint

If you are using get-stash-items or similar, no category for you

[finite cypress]

why no love private stashes

[worthy cape]

@finite cypress For the stash tab river, you need to consult both that page and every league update in the API forum which details the changes each league introduces.

[finite cypress]

yeah, I forget about those forum threads

I'm not very experienced with webdev, is there a way to query a site for its API? I thought there was something, if implmented, that a response could tell you the avilable endpoints. Probably not the resulting json format

[worthy cape]

Nah, extremely rare if it exists.

Used to be a bit of a thing back in the SOAP days with machine-readable schemas you could generate bindings from.

[finite cypress]

that might be where I saw it

[grave wren]

I mean rest should do that with hateoas but who implements stuff like that

[finite cypress]

I'd just like to know an item is a flask without having to parse the typeLine and hope they all have the word 'flask' in it

[simple ravine]

OpenAPI / Swagger is the equivalent of SOAP/WCF but better

• gRPC for internal things

[worthy cape]

SOAP was nice with envelops and a bit of introspection so you could route a bit.

[simple ravine]

well, better might be weird... there are some nice things with wcf, like bidirectional binary stuff etc

[worthy cape]

(or so I vaguely remember from a 2006 era SOA course)

[simple ravine]

problem is that SOAP/WCF was abused the shit out of

people over-complicated architectures to the point where a hello world application was 20,000 lines of code lol

not going back to that

from someone who have seen it come and go heh

[grave wren]

Just a bit of generation later and tadah

Infinite code

I like graphql

[finite cypress]

Have any of you played Destiny 2? There was a 3rd party app that let you see and manipulate the ingame inventory. Really something POE could use. I don't know how they were allowed to interact with server data though, seemed dangerous

[worthy cape]

The armory? Same kind of sign-on and to be honest, phones are more trustworthy than PCs.

[finite cypress]

DIM? https://destinyitemmanager.com/

[worthy cape]

I think the question about a companion app has come up in the past, I think there was a sentiment that there shouldn't be additional requirements on playing the game competently.

Destiny's was a bit weird as it allowed online swapping of item sets, something that the client IIRC couldn't do.

[finite cypress]

....additional additional

yeah, you had to use that app to stay sane

[simple ravine]

GraphQL for me is like OData - it is tightly coupled to data, and absolutely has a use-case, but what I have seen is that people broadly want to use it all over

[frank kayak]

does anyone else gets a screwed up preview pane in VSCodium after suspend?

i only have to switch tabs to reload it

[simple ravine]

additionally, GraphQL seems cool and all, but it kind of feels like one of those things where hipster-kids got high and thought "what if we did skydiving while making pizza"

[grave wren]

No clue how to respond to that tbh

[frank kayak]

wouldnt it be making pizza while skydiving? and thanks fro making me imagine it

[grave wren]

But yeah it's nicer odata imo and pretty useful if you use it with custom db views

[frank kayak]

ok ive found eating pizza while skydiving.... https://redd.it/bpxig3

[simple ravine]

It's just that it feels like something that is developed by API consumers, because they got tired of REST, which I can understand, especially if consuming tedious ones

[frank kayak]

tired of REST?

must be a reaaally bad one

[grave wren]

i never had a decent restful api so far at work

it's all various degrees of wtf is this

[simple ravine]

the problem I have is you're giving the API consumer access to an unseemingly unbound amount of IO and CPU

at least there are some consequences

cool, and dangerous

[frank kayak]

even the worst ones ive worked with (badly documented, or outdated doc, weird encoding, data behind 5 calls) were workable with

[grave wren]

ever worked with one that said x but never did what you wanted and displayed yet another state in their awful aspx site?

[frank kayak]

next time i have to design a REST API Ill use a router framework for it though - prob chi

[grave wren]

had an endpoint to attach rules to a thing

the endpoint returned a set via rest

but it was a list in the backend

[frank kayak]

aspx... already sounds awful

[grave wren]

so you had tons of dupes

sometimes it appended shit you didnt even send

all in all a wonderful experience

[simple ravine]

hehe, oh the state in webforms à la 2005

good ol days

[grave wren]

had to ensure 3x that its not us fucking up

that day was godawful

[simple ravine]

my problem with REST, especially REST purists is that CQRS pattern don't always play nice with it

[grave wren]

in what way

[simple ravine]

Faust, were you the one who worked with SAP stuff?

[grave wren]

"worked"

we have one sap frontend using odata

[simple ravine]

works*

[grave wren]

which is godawful

thankfully i have a trainee now who seems to like it

so i delegate all tasks in that godforsaken technology

[simple ravine]

well, SAP think they invented REST, and everything SAP touches turns to shit

so hehe

[grave wren]

its not rest

they even have their own name

it's lovely

[simple ravine]

uhu

[frank kayak]

i think im glad that i didnt have any contact with it yet

[grave wren]

in theory the framework would be nice

[simple ravine]

try to avoid it like the plague

[grave wren]

if only it didnt suck if you dont pay

the argument "but the sap standard says it has to look like this"

solves so many customer requests

it's hilarious

[frank kayak]

would it help if you throw more money at it?

[grave wren]

likely

[simple ravine]

SAP is like Oracle. More money, more shiny shit that reeks after you open it up

[grave wren]

you get a web ide thats not ass then instead of half assed plugins

it was sold to me as quickly solve customer backoffice queries

turns out it's not really doing that

[frank kayak]

hate oracle mostly for stopping opensolaris...

[simple ravine]

It's like giving a handyman some very expensive duct tape and hammer, saying go fix this bathroom leak

[grave wren]

that'd be the guys you hire to "enhance" the base system

and then you pay double the price of normal programmers

[simple ravine]

it's like the goddamn lowcode/nocode hype

some real programmers will have to go fix all that mess up one day

if I had enough money, I'd be starting to short SAP now

[mortal bone]

We tried a low-code solution at work, and it was complete ass...now it is in production

[grave wren]

my ex project lead has a new project without any seniors

reason: the technology is new for everyone either way and it's low code

[simple ravine]

heheh

[grave wren]

cos it's mostly static content in headless CMS

[simple ravine]

it was complete ass... not is' in production

love that

[grave wren]

should i ever get assigned to that project i'll hand my keys in :>

tbh as read only i really dont mind odata/graphql, i'd still do all my writes with custom rest methods

[mortal bone]

I find it funny that the low-code solution they went with required more developers than it would have taken to just call a few apis

[simple ravine]

I still want to see GraphQL in production with actual usecase, with more than hello-world numbers of entities

and some real load

[mortal bone]

graphql is cool

[simple ravine]

then i want to talk to the SRE people on how they feel it's working out

[mortal bone]

Doesn't netflix use GraphQL?

[grave wren]

rosetta stone uses it

[simple ravine]

yeah, scroll up, i already ranted a bunch 😄

[grave wren]

or rather they made the switch recently

[simple ravine]

externally facing or internal only?

[grave wren]

externally

integrated it

spoiler they rolled it out while it wasnt ready

0 fucks given

[simple ravine]

pops some popcorn

[mortal bone]

that is great haha

"ship it"

[grave wren]

so now i have generated client code and custom rest calls

calling the nonfinished graphql part

11/10

[worthy cape]

@simple ravine Do you have any idea what clownware the Swedish medical services company that screwed up alarms recently are running?

[steep iron]

is there a site/app that I can easily see/export the passive nodes and their IDs or map over the passive tree UI?
or does any1 has an export of that handy?

[grave wren]

but a bit more glued shit wont hurt this bad boy

slaps monolith

[simple ravine]

@worthy cape let me guess, SAP

[worthy cape]

Kind of impressed that they manage to break safety alarms for the elderly twice in a year.

[grave wren]

the tree they give out has exactly that info @steep iron

[worthy cape]

"oh, grandma has fallen and can't get up? probably gets delivered eventually, maybe"

[grave wren]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2935826

[mortal bone]

@steep iron https://github.com/poe-tool-dev/passive-skill-tree-json ?

[worthy cape]

Oh shoot, topical discussion. Everyone hide!

[simple ravine]

zao, what was the clownware?

[worthy cape]

I don't know, it was a genuine question.

[simple ravine]

ooh

[worthy cape]

They tried shipping this spring and screwed up so hard they had to back it out. This fall they screwed up in production again.

[grave wren]

sounds like sap

not biased, i swear

[simple ravine]

Oh damn, someone actually died because of it

that's heartbreaking 😦

[worthy cape]

Yeah... it's not exactly good.

Might've died anyway still, but it's not a good look.

[steep iron]

yeah im looking at the json from ggg, but was wondering if there's a better format of that like in a table or UI, notables i can search pretty easily, but for the smaller attribute nodes, its kinda hard to figure out which specific ID it is (haven't look much into the coordinates), so was wondering if there's something like the passive tree UI but with the node ID shown

[worthy cape]

Maybe you can hack PoB to show you the info on hover?

[simple ravine]

Some company called Tunstall

[steep iron]

if im actually good with codes, maybe lol

[grave wren]

could make an issue on pob github, maybe it's already in the dev version

[steep iron]

might try looking into that later, thanks anyway

[grave wren]

didnt look too much into the gui stuff there

[sleek nacelle]

pob will show you node IDs if you set it to dev mode and hold alt

[steep iron]

awesome!!

how to set it to dev mode? =x

[sleek nacelle]

you can enable dev mode by editing ProgramData/Path of Building/launch.lua and changing self.devMode = false to true. it's the first thing in the list there

[golden bane]

Or if you clone the repo and start PoB from there

[sleek nacelle]

that too ^

setting it to dev mode does also stop you from getting updates the normal way, you'd have to disable dev mode to update if you change your main install

[golden bane]

Also newer installations are not in Program Data anymore

[sleek nacelle]

oh then I have no idea where the new version might be lol

[golden bane]

They're in %APPDATA% now

[steep iron]

nice, thanks for the info!

[golden bane]

Also you could download the portable zip and delete/rename installed.cfg to get into dev mode

[lethal nimbus]

@polar island is there some docs on a possible api u might have so i dont have to scrape stuff, trying to build a fancy tool that dosnt use/rely the official website

thats sorta helpful ty good sir

is there a live search limit implemented by any chance?

might hinder my plans a bit

[violet path]

@lethal nimbus how gritty are your searches going to be? poe.ninja has a decent chunk, and poe.watch is getting a lot of new cool stuff by the day

depending on what you need, river is probably going to be the best and only bet

[lethal nimbus]

just wanna price some stuff without hassle and possibly some weird searches based on pob weightings for some specific builds

its kind of a optimize-my-build.exe 😄

[violet path]

that makes it sound like scraping would be ok then?

[lethal nimbus]

ye it aint a big deal, just asking if there was an api would make my life easier

[violet path]

i don't know too much about it but it sounds like it'd have to be super complicated, databasing every item and price and somehow filtering out bad prices etc. for it to be that detailed. i'd just scrape if the use case is going to be that narrow, don't think you need to river

[lethal nimbus]

ye def wanna avoid ggg's river

[dull laurel]

why automate a webpage, when you can just query the server?

[lethal nimbus]

wat do u consider automation tho 😛

[violet path]

yeah don't scrape poeapp scrape official site, respect the limits, obey the law

[lethal nimbus]

wat if i dont like da police Kappa

[frank kayak]

automation on poeapp? in what way?

ah scraping...

i love scraping...

[barren ingot]

anyone familiar with any code snippets that can definitively map to the poe stash tab grid with precision? I think I'm seeing uneven cell sizes depending on abnormal window resolutions
i tried to solve this by creating an overlay library a rough alignment over the whole tab area, then pixel-by-pixel adjustments of an individual box, but aligning one box, for example at the bottom right can align the middle of the tab, but then cause other cells to be misaligned which is very odd if i'm dividing it into 12x12, 24x24 even boxes

[barren ingot]

in game frameless window overlay on top of an item

[simple ravine]

Like Mercury Trade?

[barren ingot]

mercury trade is not aligned correctly on my friend's instance

it's not factoring something in which causes it to lose precision over larger and larger position indices

for anyone who is interested in this, i found a korean-made tool called deadlytrade.
they seemed to have excellent alignment per: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2785386

I'm yet to see if it works for oddball resolutions but they do seem to have some rather very specific factors baked in that are applied to the game window resolution so it looks promising.

https://github.com/DeadlyCrush/DeadlyTrade/blob/master/POExileDirection/DeadlyNotification/StashGrid.cs

this is right up your alley C# lover

nice quadruple nested for loop in here !

[simple ravine]

Yeah Mercury didn't work well on my 3440x1440 ultrawide

but tbh, not really a feature I'm missing

[worthy cape]

Small N, all is well.

[simple ravine]

small n?

are we talking o-notations?

[worthy cape]

In the loops, 12 x 12 x 2 x 2

[simple ravine]

perhaps unroll it then

fewer branch predictions the cpu will have to make, if that's your thing

[barren ingot]

lol

maybe if i was putting this on a 0.1w micro arduino

[worthy cape]

I wouldn't bother unless it's shown to be a bottleneck, and then the overdraw and lack of batching is probably more endemic 🙂

Profile, ptune, profit 😛

[simple ravine]

mm, micro-ops and cache line alignments

[barren ingot]

the way they thought through how to reverse engineer this, if htey did it correctly, is interesting

i was just like, divide by 12 or 24, why isn't this working

[worthy cape]

If you were ambitious about misfits, you could parameter-sweep the size of the PoE window and see if you could determine what is off.

[simple ravine]

what u could do is just gather a few screenshots from people with resolutions higher than what you have

and then just resize it to different sizes with some program, and then try to align it

[barren ingot]

i actually originally attempted to implement this in python so i could use opencv to capture the stash area through boundary detection

[worthy cape]

@simple ravine IIRC, Mercury had the user manually align the grid.

[barren ingot]

but the ui frameworks for python suck, like gtk etc

qt

[worthy cape]

They also had some crawling UI issues with high-DPI, so happy I don't use it anymore.

[simple ravine]

yeah, which is really tedious process

[worthy cape]

but ui frameworks suck
Fixed it for you ^ 🙂

[barren ingot]

😮

[simple ravine]

especially if you're like me who sometimes only have PoE on portion of the screen, and then sometimes on the full size

[barren ingot]

i ended up creating my first electron app (ahhhh) with react so it's not bad now in terms of looks. never did any desktop programming so trying to figure out all the window options was annoying

[simple ravine]

all the ui frameworks suck right now, unfortunately

for being 2020

[golden bane]

Python/WinRT might become a real thing

https://github.com/microsoft/xlang

[simple ravine]

oh rly, interesting

for someone who aren't much in love with python, i see this is a cool thing

hope it works out

[barren ingot]

i think python + opencv is really nice and easy to use, otherwise i don't really use it anymore

[simple ravine]

im gonna hope microsoft gets their shit together with MAUI

[golden bane]

I hope PySide6 turns out well. Release in November

[simple ravine]

but i dont have high hopes tbh, as it seems to be a continuation of Xamarin

[worthy cape]

Has anyone of you bit the bullet and upgraded to Python 3.9 with its new and shiny parser and broken ecosystem? 🙂

[golden bane]

Yes, so far everything's working

[worthy cape]

We decided to ship the 2020b toolchain on 3.8 in EasyBuild, so much potential breakage.

pybind11 of particular vintage is broken, f.ex - https://pybind11.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

[golden bane]

Stuff like PyInstaller is always lagging behind a release, but I had no problems with my personal projects and some parts of the scientific stack I use

[simple ravine]

@barren ingot

here's a 3440x1440 screenshot in windowed mode

[worthy cape]

pybind11 underpins scipy and a lot of other fun stuff, but I don't know how hard the requirements are pinned.

[simple ravine]

regular grid

[golden bane]

I didn't test scipy

[simple ravine]

borderless

what I'd do then is just have different ones and batch through until u get an algorithm that works

[barren ingot]

i'm assuming that's what this deadlytrade developer did

looks like they found a linear coefficient to use as a scaling factor

i just wish they did something like, RECT getStashArea(RECT poeWindowSize) or something like that instead of this inline monstrousity

at least they put in somewhat useful comments 🙂

[simple ravine]

but for me, the tool should be smart enough to understand where the window is and align itself

like, sometimes, I do this:

especially when flipping etc

[golden bane]

@worthy cape lots of errors when I try to install scipy

[worthy cape]

\o/

[simple ravine]

Funny how my StatDescription parser I wrote 2.5-3 years ago and havent touched today still works with just 1 single character in an expression needed as a fix

too bad it takes 3 seconds to parse the 18 mb file.

time to look at another parser combinator

[haughty shoal]

how the hell can I pass this

[simple ravine]

not sure how this is the relevant channel

[worthy cape]

Need to develop some sort of clearing tool 😄

[simple ravine]

nightowling I see, zao 🙂

[worthy cape]

Yeah, this week has been lopsided.

[simple ravine]

No kids still, I presume 😄

[worthy cape]

Guess I should sleep soon, but it feels like the day has just begun.

[simple ravine]

I woke up with a cold, so I slept all day

[worthy cape]

No code progress either, ripped out my VFS and now everything is broken and I can't quite make up my mind on what kind of interface to have for it.

[simple ravine]

Just replied to a couple of time sensitive emails, and just called it a day

[worthy cape]

tripping myself up a bit in trying to merge directory traversal and listings when there's both loose files and indexed files, while still also supporting GGPKs.

[simple ravine]

I'm procrastrinating my ineviable need to integrate teh Bundle stuff with the other parts

so I'm rewriting the parser combinator for stat descriptions instead

lol

yeah i have a similar thing to overcome

[worthy cape]

Also complicated by that there's no one true string type for paths.

[simple ravine]

what do you mean?

[worthy cape]

Bundles are UTF-8(?) while GGPK are UTF-16 and the OS may be either byte-oriented or UTF-16LE (Windows).

Say that you've got vfs->lookup_file(path("Art/omg/wtf.bbq"))

[simple ravine]

Windows is UTF16-LE?

can we just not go back to the good old ASCII days

where's the delorean

[worthy cape]

You want to use the Wide family of functions on Windows to interface with the file system, as when you use narrow APIs there's paths on the filesystem that cannot be represented in paths.

[simple ravine]

C:\PROGRA~1\... etc

I still don't see the problem you're facing though

[worthy cape]

Say that you have a user name that's in cyrillic script and the system locale is japanese, you can't access anything in their home directory with narrow A-type APIs.

You pretty much have to use the wide W-type APIs on Windows if you want reliable access to the filesystem across cultures.

[simple ravine]

What language are you doing this in again? C++ or Rust?

[worthy cape]

Anyway, consider my example.

[simple ravine]

There ought to be some kind of abstraction over this, no?

[worthy cape]

What string types should a path accept as input, and what should it store internally?

If you store an UTF-8 string (or list of such path components), you're going to have to transcode it whenever you work with a GGPK file as they are UTF-16LE or UTF-32LE inside.

If you store UTF-16, you're going to have to transcode to work with bundles.

[simple ravine]

well, whatever you do, I'd just store it in one format internally, and then talk the language you need to with the infrastructure (filesystem) talks

[worthy cape]

Similarly, do you normalize case when constructing it or doing case-insensitive comparisons with pack entries?

GGPKs are case insensitive (or at least the hash is), as is most filesystems on Windows.

[simple ravine]

I just store them as chars or string ╰(°▽°)╯

thankfully, I don't have to worry about the file system, as that's kind of abstracted away for me

[worthy cape]

Bundles are extra fun there, as they're simultaneously case sensitive and insensitive.

Directory listings have case, while file entry hashes do not.

[simple ravine]

Would be hilarious if they would store "Hello.txt" and "hello.txt" in the same folder inside of a Bundle

try exporting that on a windows file system

[worthy cape]

I need to sketch this out and the little time I get with my codebase means I barely get to hit Compile before something pulls at me.

[simple ravine]

TGIF tomorrow 🙂

[simple ravine]

Got to love the expressiveness of this though:

static Parser<char, char> Quote = Char('"');

static Parser<char, char> RangeCharacter = 
    Token(c => "01234567890#|!-".Contains(c));

static Parser<char, string[]> Ranges =
    RangeCharacter
    .Until(Whitespace)
    .Select(c => string.Concat(c))
    .Until(Quote)
    .Select(e => e.ToArray());

[grave wren]

http://usethe.computer/posts/14-xmhell.html fun read

[simple ravine]

hah that looks like a fun challenge

not fun enough though

[violet path]

@polar island l wondering if you had any thoughts/plans on expanding the page at https://poeapp.com/#/stats? maybe like a detailed history of market levels going back further in time, different leagues etc.? pretty cool/fairly unique feature imo

[simple ravine]

Ugh, mandatory training videos

"Weelcome to Capgemini Group Competition Laws e-learning"

I have procrastinated this for 2 years

[worthy cape]

Sounds like a chill Friday.

[simple ravine]

Yeah, had a 2 hour meeting with CAST, it was pretty chill

Was fairly bed-bound yesterday, so procrastinating my e-mail inbox too

but what the heck, it's friday

[civic crane]

correction: payload_size contains file paths that are direct children of this dir, payload_recursive_size contains all child files

and by "dir" I mean extract dir path from basepath

[worthy cape]

Didn't we document this already, heh?

I haven't gotten around actually verifying the nesting, I wonder if someone did.

[civic crane]

i verified it)

[worthy cape]

@civic crane Some of the directory entries are "empty" in that they don't have any base-paths. Are all those parent directories or are there such leaf nodes?

[civic crane]

yeah, I was also interested in it, gonna check this too

[worthy cape]

I've rewritten that section now.

Is there a root directory entry that encompasses everything or do we start with Art and Data as the largest unit?

[civic crane]

largest unit = largest payload_recursive_size = Metadata folder. So no, there is no root. Empty directory doesn't have files - basepathes will not be generated. Empty directory can be anywhere in tree, it also can be a first level dir, imagine if Art dir was without files but only with child dirs. So to get root dirs you must forlooping path_reps (still better 44k unique dirs compared to 500k files in a bundle)

[worthy cape]

Did you find any empty leaf directories?

I guess it doesn't matter much.

[civic crane]

leaf = (payload_size == payload_recursive_size == 8), will check this now

242 dirs, but we will never know names of them

[worthy cape]

Ooh, that's surprising. I wonder if we had anything like that pre-patch.

It's probably tractable to brute-force the hashes for curiosity's sake, I reckon, at least if the names are short.

[grave wren]

I am still missing my indoctrination thanks to Corona. Apparently this will be a thing next month

[dull laurel]

Intoctrination?

[grave wren]

They have a workshop about the motivation behind the company. It's very weird.

[dull laurel]

Like a purpose workshop? Or strategy?

[simple ravine]

You mean indoctrination right?

[grave wren]

oh yeah, phone butchered it

[simple ravine]

omfg, TGIF

time to close down Slack, Outlook, Teams, Skype, etc

[worthy cape]

My Friday went into the hole of "oh heck, guess I'm learning Fortran for this".

I have a potential solution but it boils down to assuming memory layout and casting through a pointer to void 😄

I leave this problem for Monday zao, he deserves to be grumpy.

[simple ravine]

Fortran of all languages

I read a book by Dan Brown called 'Digital Fortress' many years ago

about some NSA woman, and there were some Fortran in that book

pretty good book, but that's all Fortran I have ever been in contact with 😄

[simple ravine]

home alone, deciding if i should play poe or write code around it

[grave wren]

Both

Also bake

[simple ravine]

having a cold, i just want to sit in a chair do as little as possible

[frank kayak]

19:45 finally home from work...

[simple ravine]

even ordered delivery food

oof, what's ur job 11011?

[frank kayak]

currently i have to finish firmware for a switch

....blind

no serial on the switch lol

it just hurts

[simple ravine]

ah, sys/net admin of sorts?

[frank kayak]

admin gone programmer or solo software dev dep...

currently not full time

just enough to pay my rent while studying

[simple ravine]

you freelancing?

[frank kayak]

no

[simple ravine]

ah ok

what are you studying?

[frank kayak]

i think its called student employee?

physics

but currently not going too well

[simple ravine]

ah, so you want to keep programming and computers as a hobby?

[grave wren]

Sounds dreadful for a student job ngl

[frank kayak]

the uni is in austria and since the start of the pandemy im back in germany

no i am something like an admin by profession let me check the exact translation

[simple ravine]

just curious of people who land in here, its interesting to learn who we all are a little, so pardon me and let me know if i pry too much

[frank kayak]

the translations are just so bad...

[grave wren]

He's making a list on whom to assassinate don't trust him

[simple ravine]

🥷

[frank kayak]

nice

how long is the list currently?

[simple ravine]

everyone who does Java and likes it.

[frank kayak]

so currently a blank paper?

[simple ravine]

see? im pretty harmless

[frank kayak]

now you 2

what are you?

bots?

[simple ravine]

programmer who ended up drawing boxes and lines and stuck in meetings

[frank kayak]

ah a sleep deprived bot forgot

nicely colored boxes?

dont say its monotone

[simple ravine]

yes, i like design too actually, so i tend to make them pretty

[frank kayak]

web design?

[simple ravine]

unlike my indian colleagues who dont even care about aspect ratios

graphic and web, ca dotcomboom 2000s

[frank kayak]

ok

you wouldnt like my ui endpoint from my project 🙂

[simple ravine]

but now it's mostly distributed sytems, cloud and stuff

[grave wren]

what if your boxes contain java

:>

[frank kayak]

a bit ci/cd?

its just go pure goo

[simple ravine]

ci/cd is kinda implied but yeah

[frank kayak]

i love ci

when it works

[simple ravine]

im too slow to be an efficient programmer nowadays, i feel.. it's more like pondering about the meaning of it all

thats why you stop being a masochist and get rid of that jenkins / jira / circleci stuff

and just realize github actions or azure devops is better

[grave wren]

fullstack dev while doing lots of stuff trying to hieve our internal stuff onto a common ci/cd denominator

[simple ravine]

heard gitlab's pretty good too, but can't vouch

[frank kayak]

would like to convince you to give go a go https://basta.net/blog/go-der-csharp-killer/

[grave wren]

bamboo is the worst fyi

but it's from atlassian so it's kind of a given

[frank kayak]

havent tried that gh actions stuff yet

what was that atlassian wiki?

[grave wren]

confluence

[frank kayak]

ah yeah

[simple ravine]

people can go that route if they want, i just don't find the reason to go there

[frank kayak]

tried to package some visio 2 svg tool for it - and messed with libs i shouldnt have messed with

[simple ravine]

visio is such an annoyance

some stencils when rendered to svg just blow up totally

[frank kayak]

@grave wren fullstack? so its web centered stuff?

[grave wren]

yeah mostly

dont mind non web stuff either

[frank kayak]

not a fan of that mess that is old html and js

[grave wren]

but so far its web

we dont do that here

[simple ravine]

jQuery all the way baby

[grave wren]

did you misspell ui5

:>

[simple ravine]

[grave wren]

funnily enough i dont think there is a stringent strat here on when to use vuejs, angular or react

every project "evaluates" it and picks what they like most with random point scales

[frank kayak]

@simple ravine (ui5 is from SAP)

[simple ravine]

why not just pick one, and get ninjagood at it

[grave wren]

that'd be too easy apparently

[simple ravine]

11011 yes i know

[grave wren]

you could also reuse people in different projects

sounds too efficient

[simple ravine]

Faust has vented his delight for the framework a few times

[grave wren]

yes but i also have a trainee i can force to do anything that needs doing in ui5

so i am basically winning

[frank kayak]

@simple ravine dont make me a 27 again 😦 - its 11211

[simple ravine]

One could argue though, with good enough developers, frameworks shouldn't matter.

[grave wren]

if the framework doesnt deliver what it promises your devs can just hack around it

[simple ravine]

ops

[grave wren]

wastes too much time imo

[simple ravine]

im curious what does 110011 signify?

[frank kayak]

51

[simple ravine]

... yes obviously. but

[frank kayak]

just an old nick

good luck number

[simple ravine]

ah

[frank kayak]

appears in my birth time, my initials are similar looking...

oops...

[simple ravine]

i must confess, the first few times I saw you around here I thought you were from asian origin, due to the nickname. As some there have a very close connection to numbers.

[frank kayak]

i prefer numbers over letters

[simple ravine]

Now, all we need is someone with 197 IQ

[frank kayak]

words are too arbitrary

forget the part i edited out 🙂

getting some coffee and food

[simple ravine]

a world leader of sorts blurted out something about people not getting hacked a few days ago

was pretty interesting.

[frank kayak]

who?

[tiny cargo]

@frank kayak imho there is no good translation for "Fachinformatiker" without starting to explain the dual education system 😅

[simple ravine]

DJT

[frank kayak]

guess so

[grave wren]

not like it means anything later on either way

[frank kayak]

Deutscher Juristentag?

ah ok i get it...

donald duck

i think i havent played poe for 2 weeks now...

[simple ravine]

he was talking at a rally, and was ranting off-script/teleprompt, and it seems quite usual that he claims... interesting things then. not going to start a political discussion, but the thing he said started a little bit of an outrage in the security community to say the least

[frank kayak]

https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/19/nobody-gets-hacked-trump-hotel-chain-twice/ wow that face

[frank drift]

his twitter was just hacked again too, because the password was "maga2020!"

[simple ravine]

I found the video with transcript of the rally... Quite an interesting session.

He also apparently got "hacked" again

However that is disputed

[frank kayak]

lucky me dont know my own passwords 🙂

what could that maga mean?

[simple ravine]

his slogan

[frank kayak]

ah

[frank drift]

in 2016 or something a security researcher found that Trump's password was "yourefired", so he suggested Trump "change it to something like 'maga2020!'"

same researcher came back a few weeks ago and checked, and Trump took him literally

at least from what I read

[simple ravine]

Twitter themselves disputed the fact that someone got access to his account though. And in accordance to transparency rules, I think they have to acknowledge if that happened.

Twitter, however, denied the report. “We’ve seen no evidence to corroborate this claim, including from the article published in the Netherlands today. We proactively implemented account security measures for a designated group of high-profile, election-related Twitter accounts in the United States, including federal branches of government,” a Twitter spokesperson said in a statement.

[frank kayak]

cant wait for the election

so he didnt get the account back yet?

[simple ravine]

Twitter claims the "hack" didn't happen.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/22/trump-twitter-hacked-dutch-researcher-password

A little suspicious I would say that the same researcher that claimed he gained access in 2016 by guessing the password, did it again.

the original source https://www.vn.nl/news-trump-twitter/ has a correction at the bottom:

Correction: an earlier version of this story stated that the hackers ‘guessed’ Trumps password. This phrasing is incorrect, and was therefore changed to ‘they found Trump’s password in a leaked database’.

[frank drift]

right, password reuse

[frank kayak]

just rotate the number

[worthy cape]

100111

[frank kayak]

huh...

[worthy cape]

(you said to rotate the number 😛 )

[frank kayak]

wanted to react with a rename but cant remember my pw...

i mean my db cant remember it

[worthy cape]

heh

[frank kayak]

not a problem as long as you can get a new one per email

zao did you rip your project further apart?

@worthy cape state of VFS?

[worthy cape]

Committed something that compiled but is incorrect, and now it's kind of more broken 🙂

Not sure what to do to get out of this current rut, got so many things I'd rather work on.

[civic crane]

did full check, can't figure out this anomalies
Art
Art/Models/Effects/monster_effects/League_Heist/military/melee/1h_swordShield
CachedHLSLShaders

[worthy cape]

Hrm, is that from current patch or earlier version?

[civic crane]

3.12.4.2.2

[latent solar]

@velvet fog sorry for the ping, could I DM you about an important matter if possible?

[frank kayak]

@worthy cape better fix as soon as possible if it stays you wont remember what you did... at least i didnt...

[worthy cape]

Most of it is committed to a topic branch, but yeah, it's a mess.

Kind of wanted to get it in the repo so I could work on Linux for a while for variety.

I don't have any good way of transferring in-progress work between OS and local machines, sharing the same checkout over NFS/CIFS tends to lead to line ending sadness, even when you try to configure it correctly.

[frank kayak]

cifs did mess with me today again...

always \n only

if windows still wants to imitate a teletype let it do that...

[worthy cape]

I try to configure all my clients accordingly, but there's a lot of places where configs hide on Windows.

[frank kayak]

every day i dont have to touch windows is a good day

[worthy cape]

You've got WSL, Git for Windows, msys2, and in my case Fork with its own bundled Git.

[frank kayak]

nice diversity

like the linux desktop?

[worthy cape]

There's always something broken and annoying, and the state of modern Linux desktops is that it's pretty much impossible to investigate what goes wrong.

[frank kayak]

gnome 3 when it came out or even now

[worthy cape]

I get the wrong audio device on lock and DPI goes strange when the monitor powersaves. Impossible to find out without going into a hole for a week.

[frank kayak]

old unity wasnt that good either

ah pulseaudio

that messes up a few times during gameplay

[worthy cape]

A lot of the desktop environments have gone the cheap macOS way when it comes to DPI handling now too, it's all 1x or 2x scaling factors.

Adjusting text size works even worse than before.

[frank kayak]

i scaled it down to full hd 😄

but qt now needs an env var im too lazy to set

[worthy cape]

I run 1440p at 125% and 2160p at 150%.

My eyes are a bit krangled 😛

[frank kayak]

apropos krangled...

[worthy cape]

Especially when half-snapping windows to monitor sides, you kind of want some space.

[frank kayak]

#118456055842734083 message

the word is spreading...

poe is full screen always works without problems

[worthy cape]

Clicked that link and it booted me off voice <_<

[frank kayak]

only thing annyoing me is since i use lutris to start it i cant close the window with the context menu

?

[worthy cape]

The link took me to my list of PMs and I lost connection to my Discord voice call.

[frank kayak]

oh

[simple ravine]

what's happening boys

[frank kayak]

the word krangled is now no longer poe only

[simple ravine]

is that some kind of meme word that im too old for? 😄

[frank kayak]

dont hang those nuts on my comment...

[worthy cape]

@simple ravine https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/g1ksx2/what_returning_after_a_few_years_feels_like/

[frank kayak]

poe reddit invented it this year

gn - ill annoy you tommorow again

[simple ravine]

haha

resonates with my feelings too

oh shit the unintended pun

oh well

[winged oasis]

Hey guys does anyone know why https://aura.poe.farm/ doesnt work anymore? I downloaded the index.html and stuff and tried to fix but yeah my knowledge is VERY limited about stuff like that... is there a working version out or a way to import aurabot data in PoB? Dont really want to create a jewel or smth all the time, that webside was soo good 😦

[worthy cape]

@winged oasis If you look in the developer console of your browser, you'll find that it's not able to obtain a file from the RePoE project, which is a collection of friendly JSON data derived from the game files - in this case https://raw.githubusercontent.com/brather1ng/RePoE/master/RePoE/data/gem_tooltips.min.json

Gem tooltips were removed from RePoE around a month ago in this commit: https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE/commit/06a8d102aee3818fc75950dfe8b9fa2e97b30159#diff-916380f3d6f6456a1a581a7844000478a30a5c7844e71127300fcbf33ec09848

The author of your website needs to figure out how to live without them or derive them in some other way, or work with the RePoE person to find out if they can be reinstated. This might have been driven by the move to fmtlib for formatting.

(I don't have any solutions for you, just technical reasons why it's krangled 😄 )

[winged oasis]

Oh okay ^^

Well rip 😦 was always super nice to use that webside

[worthy cape]

There is an open issue for the aura webpage on this problem - https://github.com/shadowmoose/poe-aura-calc/issues/5

You may want to offer feedback or encouragement there or try to hack it into working form again and make a pull request if you're handy 🙂

[winged oasis]

oh shit true alt quality's need to be updated aswell hmm

I dont even have a Github account 🙂

i am only smart enough for PoB

[worthy cape]

It's possible that the tool maker is working on this in silence or needs assistance to pull it off, or have outright lost interest. If you're curious I would recommend reaching out, otherwise I hope that the information above have brought you some closure at least.

[winged oasis]

yeah thanks alot ❤️ dont know if that side was super popular so he prolly just lost interest. I honestly thought he just had a data file he copy pasted the numbers from wiki in or smth ^^ would have been prolly easy to fix then. Oh well we will see

[worthy cape]

A bit of background info is that with the tech patch just before Heist a lot of data mining tooling broke rather hard, and it's still a bit in shambles in places.

[tiny cargo]

You can download the zip and replace the link in the file /docs/script/data.js on line 52 with the "https://raw.githubusercontent.com..." one mentioned in the issue. If you open the index.html in a browser the website should work again, but without anything new

[timber path]

Is there any way to bypass a cloudflare 403 forbidden (in c# using a WebClient) when requesting some static trade api data (such as stats, or leagues, etc...) ?
[Edit] To answer my own question: simply providing a User-Agent in the header was enough it seems...

[simple ravine]

Yeah, GGG kindly wants you to provide a reference to the tool in case there ever would be an issue

They had a couple of incidents where the tool was misbehaving and caused quite a ruckus

[worthy cape]

https://discordapp.com/channels/174993814845521922/175290321695932416/705190546670616586

[timber path]

I understand their pov, and I agree with them. It was just unclear to me as a tool-dev that I should (since recently?) provide a user-agent

[worthy cape]

(it's touched on in the pins, the message I linked was shortly after the pinned one)

[potent wadi]

[worthy cape]

If you're the one that makes my Discord go bloop, please don't.

[simple ravine]

zao, for parsing the index bundle how long does it take your computer?

[worthy cape]

Don't have any figures handy, but sufficiently instant.

[simple ravine]

takes me ca 260 ms

[worthy cape]

Just parsing or also building lookups?

[simple ravine]

just parsing the outer and inner bundles

currently just throwing the values away after reading into structs

im a masochist

[worthy cape]

Running pure breachstones for XP with Brittleknee's community day now, might toy around later.

[simple ravine]

Enjoy 🙂

I haven't watched any streams since Lifting stopped streaming. I used to moderate his and aaske's streams. They used to host brittleknee as well.

Just tuned brittleknee in, wow she grew her viewerbase a lot. Nice to see

[worthy cape]

On warm files, printing all the file names from the directory tree takes 1.96s on this janky old Xeon.

[simple ravine]

Ok, once you feel like it later, let's see how long it takes without printing?

Don't wanna ruin your funsies

Need to get to grocery store and grab some supplied anyways

[worthy cape]

0.85s, including filling the dicts.

[simple ravine]

ok

clock speed?

[worthy cape]

model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1225 v3 @ 3.20GHz

[simple ravine]

ok

[worthy cape]

Without populating dictionaries and lists of names, 0.157s

[simple ravine]

damn that's quick

Do you have the code somewhere for that?

[worthy cape]

(scientifically determined by commenting out anything that dealt with dicts in the loader)

This is all with zao/ooz, exiting after the index is loaded.

My actual codebase is all very broken 🙂

[simple ravine]

I broke everything now too

[civic crane]

refactored my index bundle reader. no longer storing 500k strings in memory 😅 GC finally happy and let me scroll table with higher fps