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#tooldev-general
weak sandal
cuz i remember last league you had to do some wack stuff
barren widget
wack
mortal bone
Yeah, you probably still do
weak sandal
i've been silenced
mortal bone
well, you need to change the name to legion
weak sandal
https://i.imgur.com/1dCwlUY.png
this is what it is now, assuming i need to go remove those lines from before?
simple ravine
haven't required any special rain dance to get trade macro to work personally
weak sandal
thats where im lookin currently
simple ravine
Emmitt plays ethical
mortal bone
na
weak sandal
eh, doubt anyone knows right now since league isnt even up yet lol
mortal bone
I just don't use many addons
obtuse citrus
I wonder how many more shapes they'll come up with for maps
Add one edge every 3 months?
mortal bone
haha
rapid pagoda
they've already recycled circular maps at least once
wonder when we get square maps back again. or the oldschool stone style
obtuse citrus
mortal bone
they are circle-ish
slow forge
That the new shape?
obtuse citrus
yea
rapid pagoda
well that is certainly a shape
obtuse citrus
the base icon before the sigil is put on
slow forge
Looks like a bent Hexagon
weak sandal
a bexagon
obtuse citrus
Haha I like that
after putting the sigils and colors on: https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Category:Map_icons_(Legion)
mortal bone
looks nice tbh
woeful sphinx
@frigid nova updated. they removed some active skill types again, so if you need those or the new attack speed multiplier, you'll need to wait a bit longer. otherwise everything is updated.
frigid nova
@woeful sphinx Thanks! Appreciate all your work
obtuse citrus
@woeful sphinx aspd is just a new field in GrantedEffectsPerLevel.dat
obtuse citrus
the active skill types are more of a pain in the ass though
woeful sphinx
yep, and the gems file being so huge that it breaks most diff viewers doesn't make it easier
mortal bone
time to write your own haha
obtuse citrus
It might be easier to write your own diff for that
woeful sphinx
PyCharm's seems decent enough
mortal bone
git diff doesn't work?
woeful sphinx
but my git GUI app just breaks
mortal bone
ah
simple ravine
git cli always works
woeful sphinx
has to be restarted after i click on the file
obtuse citrus
it might just take very long
I know it takes forever in my viewer because it needs to r ead all the rows and display them
woeful sphinx
probably, but I can't stop it
mortal bone
with wpf coming to .net core it might be time to write a nice ggpk parser haha
woeful sphinx
seems like only one active skill type got removed, now I only need to find out which one
obtuse citrus
let me know when you find out so I can update constants :p
fathom spruce
with wpf coming to .net core it'll be time to drop .net framework forever
simple ravine
@mortal bone I already made one
mortal bone
oh nice
simple ravine
I got two versions actually. The new one is faster, but a bit wip still
I want to optimize even further
mortal bone
how much unmanaged code is there? haha
mortal bone
oh nice
simple ravine
Because they safe-ified all the unsafe stuff, kinda
woeful sphinx
@obtuse citrus number 21 (named melee_single_target_initial_hit in RePoE)
that actually makes sense
obtuse citrus
haha
queen oriole
late to the party, which file has all the legion passives
obtuse citrus
AlternatePassive*
queen oriole
thanks, i see them
woeful sphinx
I like that much more than that random 3.6.x patch where they removed 7 at once
obtuse citrus
I might have missed that I dont really check it that often god d ammit
woeful sphinx
hm, maybe there is more. the types still seem messed up
obtuse citrus
well if you get it figured out I'll need to copy that I think
woeful sphinx
I'll tell you once I'm done with it and have pushed it
obtuse citrus
they also added 5 new mod sell values for the new jewel types, I'd like to know those too
but I think it has to wait until someone got them
they specifically removed the file with the sell prices in 3.5 or so
queen oriole
I wonder what didn't make it consideirng all the empty columns in these tables
obtuse citrus
empty columns? do you mean the zeros?
queen oriole
yeah
obtuse citrus
I think it's just more StatMin/Max values
queen oriole
good point, future proofing unlike some of the other tables
obtuse citrus
I'm not sure why they dont use a list for those fields too
queen oriole
i guess doing multi list
yeah
the pointer access to variable-length data might be too long who knows
obtuse citrus
well those lists are usually more like arrays really so it shouldn't really be that dramatic since the data size is fixed
so you got something like address being at sizeof(type)*index
I had to widly guess it's probably because... they already have code working in a particular way and didnt want to rewrite it for whatever reasons
Seems like they actually did change weapon ranges
I must have missed that in t he match notes
I only noticed they mentioned unarmed range
mortal bone
I think they mentioned it somewhere. Weapon ranges were changed to match some animations of the weapon
obtuse citrus
yeah but it seems weapons just got a +2 buff accross the board
mortal bone
ah, I figured there would be more variance
woeful sphinx
@obtuse citrus got the types updated now. they inserted a type, not removed one.
obtuse citrus
I see
velvet fog
poedb is ready https://poedb.tw/us/
frigid nova
@simple ravine json { "id": "local_unique_jewel_alternate_tree_seed", "max": 8000, "min": 100 }
simple ravine
but does it mean there are 7900 variations though?
frigid nova
There is a tree seed and a keystone seed
{
"id": "local_unique_jewel_alternate_tree_keystone",
"max": 3,
"min": 1
}
Turns out 5172 was a seed 🙃
violet path
is there any info for non-keystone stuff
queen oriole
time to figure out what PRNG they're using
frigid nova
Mersenne twister here we come
velvet fog
@violet path https://poedb.tw/us/Keystone
gusty pecan
Anyone experienced with filterblade, is it possible to have unique sounds for different items in a tier? Say one for exalts, and another for mirror?
Or am I limited to a custom sound for that tier?
slow forge
Nope, if there is an option to add a tier that is
And for currency there is
At the bottom of the section click Add a tier (or rule, I don't remember)
And place currency you wish to give separate sound there
gusty pecan
Oh you beautiful human being, yeah there's an add rule button. Thanks!
Can I rename a rule? ^-^
pseudo ocean
How can I remove the tool bar at the top left?
It has appeared with the newest update and I find it to be annoying and useless :/
-.-
slow forge
Does that button on right edge collapse it maybe?
pseudo ocean
Nope, just turns it into a "maximize window" symbol.
worthy cape
Seems from the readme that "POE Trades Companion" has a fair bit of configuration in the AHK macro. Maybe consult that?
(I assume you grok that it's not stock PoE UI 😄 )
pseudo ocean
I can move it. But before I updated this window did not exist.
I think it's a new "feature".
chrome topaz
['Bathed in the blood of (100-8000) sacrificed in the name of Doryani\nPassives in radius are Conquered by the Vaal', 'Historic']; ID: UniqueJewelAlternateTreeInRadiusVaal; ModType: UniqueJewelAlternateTreeInRadius; CorrectGroup: PassiveJewelGrantsRadius; Tags: []; GenerationType: UNIQUE; Domain: MISC
['Commanded leadership over (10000-18000) warriors under Kiloava\nPassives in radius are Conquered by the Karui', 'Historic']; ID: UniqueJewelAlternateTreeInRadiusKarui; ModType: UniqueJewelAlternateTreeInRadius; CorrectGroup: PassiveJewelGrantsRadius; Tags: []; GenerationType: UNIQUE; Domain: MISC
['Denoted service of (500-8000) dekhara in the akhara of Nasima\nPassives in radius are Conquered by the Maraketh', 'Historic']; ID: UniqueJewelAlternateTreeInRadiusMaraketh; ModType: UniqueJewelAlternateTreeInRadius; CorrectGroup: PassiveJewelGrantsRadius; Tags: []; GenerationType: UNIQUE; Domain: MISC
['Carved to glorify (2000-10000) new faithful converted by High Templar Avarius\nPassives in radius are Conquered by the Templars', 'Historic']; ID: UniqueJewelAlternateTreeInRadiusTemplar; ModType: UniqueJewelAlternateTreeInRadius; CorrectGroup: PassiveJewelGrantsRadius; Tags: []; GenerationType: UNIQUE; Domain: MISC
['Commissioned (2000-160000) coins to commemorate Chitus\nPassives in radius are Conquered by the Eternal Empire', 'Historic']; ID: UniqueJewelAlternateTreeInRadiusEternal; ModType: UniqueJewelAlternateTreeInRadius; CorrectGroup: PassiveJewelGrantsRadius; Tags: []; GenerationType: UNIQUE; Domain: MISC
that's a big range
pulsar seal
Simple question, are we allowed to sell any kind of tool for poe that dont break the TOS?
mortal bone
I don't think you can sell tools that use GGG's assets, but I could be wrong. It would be easiest to email them: support@grindinggear.com
velvet fog
PoEMate was forced to be free
lilac flower
rip exilence?
compact isle
down in what way?
seems up from here
the data we get from the game is delayed quite heavily at the moment
I'll check with the server guys and see if we can do something
violet path
all APIs have basically stopped for me for several hours, yeah. trade website hasn't updated in like 3 hours so there's huge lag or something else
mortal bone
it is an ass load of players
heavy forum
is poeapp faster than the actual website wew
velvet fog
ItemSynthesisCorruptedMods.dat and ItemSynthesisMods.dat removed
worthy cape
I wonder if the clickthrough glitch I'm having is Windows 10 being Windows 10, or Path of Building.
For some maximized programs, if I flail the cursor up to the title bar to drag it or to the [X] to close it, it tunnels through to the program below.
mortal bone
You can't pull uniques out of the data
you can pull their mods and names/base but they aren't linked in a meaningful way
worthy cape
Ah.
Was wondering why my tooling had suddenly gotten so slow to start. Turns out that I had added some full-GGPK SHA2 checksumming to guard against my cached offsets not being valid.
Late night coding - not even once.
frank oxide
any updates on the trade macro ?
old arrow
frigid nova
🤔
"CriticalStrikeMultiplierIs250Unique__1": {
"adds_tags": [],
"domain": "item",
"generation_type": "unique",
"generation_weights": [],
"grants_buff": {},
"grants_effects": [],
"group": "CriticalStrikeMultiplier",
"is_essence_only": false,
"name": "",
"required_level": 1,
"spawn_weights": [],
"stats": [
{
"id": "critical_strike_multiplier_is_300",
"max": 1,
"min": 1
}
],
"type": "CriticalStrikeMultiplierIs250"
}```1000 hours
cosmic saffron
that's maligaro's yes
velvet fog
@worthy cape not yet, just updated some uniques
velvet fog
some uniques not on market yet
frigid nova
@velvet fog I believe all 15 that were listed as changing are up
Currently updating the wiki
velvet fog
I can't find "Malachai's Awakening" on day1, just pop 1 few minutes ago
frigid nova
I'm tracing all the mod names if you want to discuss it
velvet fog
im using official trade api to check unique mod names too
frigid nova
ah nice, much faster than my method, ill pm you
velvet fog
i had generated all unique mod string and range, all unique mod names, and compare official trade api to get mod name
unique mods are 6425 now
meager flax
@timid hemlock hey arl, sorry to ping ya here, seems like people are reporting the latest update has a bunch of issues, dps not changing when allocating phys dmg/crit chance etc
timid hemlock
Yes I know
But I can't reproduce it so far
Ok, got it
Out of date mod cache FTW 😦
meager flax
rip 😦
meager flax
Got the update, thanks! Just a quick question, impale isn't properly calculated right?
timid hemlock
Correct
meager flax
roger 😃
grave wren
i like them
slow forge
And here I thought it was just my install acting up
timid hemlock
😄
mortal bone
Yeah, the tree changed a bit from the preloaded data
mortal bone
Yeah haha
timid hemlock
😐
grave wren
mortal bone
the +2 weapon range from bladedancer got split to +1 and +1 on blade master
meager flax
weird that pulverize is giving less aoe than increased aoe
timid hemlock
So sneaky
meager flax
*pulverise
timid hemlock
Well, it gives gobs of damage, so why are you complaining? 😄
meager flax
if my cyclone isn't covering the screen, i might as well quit the game
why even play?!
grave wren
that is the point when you understand that in secret this isnt a melee patch but a miner's paradise.
grave wren
"us"
frigid nova
Question about legacy items: The Sorrow of the Divine has the mod FlaskZealotsOathUnique__1, which this league got the new stat local_flask_life_recovery_from_flasks_also_recovers_energy_shield. However, the old flasks don't seem to have picked up this new stat. I was under the impression when they change the values/stats on a mod it affects all variants, is this incorrect?
golden bane
Legacy items don't pick up new mods, only the values update
cosmic saffron
the patchnotes specifically stated which affixes could be divined on without listing all the new affixes that would drop in legion
frigid nova
Then could you explain what happened with Marohi Erqi Karui Maul? This league the stat on one of the stats on a mod got changed from inc aoe to pulverise and it seems to have affected all versoins
@cosmic saffron thanks ill look into this.
golden bane
You can change any mod to what you want, just not add/remove mods
frigid nova
Sorrow of the divine did not add or remove any mods to my knowledge
it just added a stat to an existing mod.
golden bane
Might make it a different mod internally
frigid nova
Pretty interesting, didn't realize there was a discrepancy between the mods in ggpk and internal mods.
golden bane
Yeah, would be good to know if it works like that
frigid nova
To be fair I'm basing this off of RePoE, so theres a chance theres key duplication or something
And I'm basing it off of official trade website.
worthy cape
@compact isle Tinkerskin seems a bit hecked up on the official trade site:
Search has "#% chance to gain Phasing for 3 seconds when your Trap is triggered by an Enemy" while the mod in the item listing says "4 seconds" and lists a range of "30-4000", while the (possibly outdated) wiki says it has a flat 30% chance.
Searching for say a minimum of none or "35" or "1000" still finds all Tinkerskins.
Not a big problem now that I found out that it probably isn't a variable mod at all, but very confusing nevertheless 😃
fleet lotus
is there a way to calculate close combat dps on pob?
slow forge
Didn't it get added with the new update?
azure meteor
x
trail portal
No damage on Frostblink in PoB? I'm running it as my main skill and wanted to gauge how long it'll take for it to not suck so hard (don't judge me ok)
cursive orbit
PoB is made so well, simulation programs in other games are put to shame 😛
wise lodge
dop we know if pob will ever have support ofr impale?
earnest ledge
PoB is not simulation, it's formulation. PoE combat isn't really complex enough to warrant simulation. If you think that's impressive you should look at SimulationCraft for WoW :p
frigid nova
@golden bane @compact isle I believe I figured out some of the confusion about Sorrow of the Divine - any flask before 3.7.0 only shows 2 mods in game and on the trade website, although the advanced mod description in game shows all 3 mods. I'll make a bug report to hopefully sort this out.
queen oriole
sometimes i think simulation of poe is easier than formulation, if you simulate you only have to work on one path, if you formulate you have to solve every path (like ele hit random element + added as random element + crit damage + non crit damage + ruthless + etc)
golden bane
Interesting, thanks for the follow-up!
queen oriole
try divining the Sorrow of the Divine flask, sounds like the mod was updated and old flasks just have a 0 value on them.
it could one of those rare cases where a mod will pick up a new stat via divining
frigid nova
Oh that's a wonderful point @queen oriole . Indeed divining does make it display all 3, I didn't think to look at the value in advanced mod description though.
rapid pagoda
@hot stag what kind of account info?
rapid pagoda
like, for what players
frigid nova
@queen oriole Actually - there is no value in the advanced mod descriptoin.
Since its a binary stat
rapid pagoda
you can get information for top players from the league ladders (e.g. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2515514) but I'm notn aware of any more general source of account information
hot stag
whats the id for hardcore legion?
getting a 404 response
so probs putting it wrong
ty
so like http://api.pathofexile.com/ladders/HardcoreLegion
hazy fog
online/last active is a private api afaik
pseudo ocean
I'm using the default filterblade loot filter and when killing legion mobs sometimes I get these special items which are already identified and come with a blue map marker and a beam. Why are they special? What's going on with these items? Do they have unique modifiers or what?
Here you can see its modifiers.
grave wren
they contain temple mods
chrome topaz
trade api lagging on the second day of the league... that's not good, usually it only started lagging second week
compact isle
@frigid nova items on the trade site only update when the tab "changes" so both versions will exist until all the tabs are updated (or until we re-index)
@worthy cape "30 to 4000" refers to "30% chance" and "4000 (milli)seconds"
compact isle
yeah we have to manually fix any of those cases unfortunately
worthy cape
heads up by the way, there's a mail in the support queue from some soul in twitch chat that claimed that an unique item granted him stupid amounts of increases in his character sheet. - nevermind, mailed support about it in case they didn't, let the wheels churn 😃
compact isle
looks like it has been fixed internally @worthy cape
worthy cape
Excellent!
velvet fog
#ggg-tracker seems broken?
hazy fog
I passed it on to multi
hazy fog
fixed
deft jolt
@earnest radish timeless splinters are under the currency category in the stash api
violet path
@fickle yew is poe.ninja's api working correctly for scarabs in legion sc? nothing showing for a few days, jw
fickle yew
@violet path ill take a look..
cursive raven
hey guys
maybe you can help me
trying to extract some sound files from poe
but looks like it does not work anymore
since i am not a programmer i am bit stuck here
here's the issue
fickle yew
@violet path Scarabs should work now 🙂
lone thunder
just saw that poemap.live uses some oauth to login with the pathofexile.com website... are there any doc / informations about that oauth login and what we can get using it?
hazy fog
believe its a private api you have to get from novynn
lone thunder
k, ty, a bit sad we cannot get publicly access to these things ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hazy fog
people don't read the channel every minute of the day 
worthy cape
When in doubt, write your own library to extract files 😛
simple ravine
luckily i had what he was looking for (dialogue audio), and has been helped
wet aurora
Im going to be honest, im trying to learn C# and im having some issues with StreamReader, ik this is not the place to ask but im afraid to ask on stackoverflow and i dont knwo where else to ask haha
If someone wouldn't mind clarifying something for me i would really appreciate 😃
simple ravine
What do you need to know?
There is a C# discord, however I am not permitted to share the invite link here.
wet aurora
Ho you could send me if you dont mind
by PM i mean
Last week i had lessons on C# reading and writing on files, on the reading file the only thing i could do is read one line and after that it gave error
The objective was to read a string to a list while separating by '.'
simple ravine
There are multiple ways of doing that.
I thought you were doing something in regards to Path of Exile, and now realizing that this is not the case. Perhaps asking in #beginnners-help in the C# discord is a more appropriate approach.
wet aurora
yeah haha
simple ravine
It depends on how large the file is
wet aurora
Hey maybe i can apply to something personal on PoE 🤔 but for now is pretty much that
it's just a couple of lines
with IP's
was just for testing
simple ravine
Do you want to first separate by line, and then by '.' ?
simple ravine
Ok, so you have a bunch of CIDRs, one per line?
wet aurora
dind't knew about that name but yeah
simple ravine
So, you're saying you get an error while reading the second line? What's the code?
simple ravine
IPv6 is such a slow roll-out it'll die before it becomes a reality lol
wet aurora
give me a sec i did it on other PC need to pull from github
simple ravine
just link to the github thing
wet aurora
nah man i fucked up and uploaded a zip because i was in a rush, im really bad at this haha
worthy cape
@simple ravine Five week poecation starts Thursday. So hyped to get hacking on my tool and play the game.
simple ravine
hehe nice
shit, that reminds me
my manager has asked for my vacation plans since april
he's getting anxious, as the deadline was 30th of april lol
simple ravine
How come such 'early' vacation, zao?
worthy cape
No-one else willing to work week 30-31, so I moved mine earlier. Happened to coincide with Legion launch, so I'm fine with it.
wet aurora
Also is in portuguese... ha...
worthy cape
I've had split vacations in the past, they suck hard.
simple ravine
yeah, however u kinda get too lazy when you don't
but I think I won't either
I'm gonna take 29-31 at least, but not sure if earlier or later for one more week
lol this year's december is amazing in terms of vacation days
worthy cape
Indeed.
simple ravine
u need like 3 days for 2 weeks of vacation
@wet aurora Sorry, but there's too much code to look at here, and the Portugese doesn't help
need to pinpoint to what's failing
simple ravine
you're splitting on , and not .
also, you can use File.ReadLines(fileName) instead, and enumerate over that instead of using StreamReader
frigid nova
@compact isle I'm a bit confused by your response - Marohi Erqi Karui Maul had the affix Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 15 Increased Area of Effect changed to Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 15 Pulverise - which affected all legacy variants. On the trade website all the Erqi I could find on standard have this new affix displayed - interestingly enough if you search for mauls with increased area of effect mod all the new pulverise ones show up. However, in the case of the Sorrow of the Divine its unclear to me whether or not the new affix was meant to show up on legacy variants. It seems its mostly an in game bug that's being reflected on the trade website.
primal schooner
is there only one GET endpoint for public stash tabs (aka no way to get public stash tabs by targeting account/character) ?
grave wren
yes
you can get yours with the session cookie
but from the chest api its just a flood
wind garden
river still delayed.....zzz
velvet fog
Garena Taiwan 3.7.0 launch delayed for 1 more day too
primal schooner
do incubations go away if you relog?
oops wrong channel
Faust, so could you make a website pull all the public stash tabs from a single account? i didn't see any api endpoints that were POST
velvet fog
Using private stash API with user session
primal schooner
where's the documentation on that?
velvet fog
There's a pathofexile API pinned
primal schooner
nvm i think i figured it out
velvet fog
Timeless jewels, There are 2 seeds for every jewel, the name affect keystone, the number affect others. https://poedb.tw/us/Keystone
pseudo ocean
@fickle yew
Sunday in your website is "Jun" or im guessing just name of month?
mortal bone
as far as I can tell, the character-window api hasn't changed
vestal whale
Can i ask stuff about filterblade here? 🤔
Or is it only for developing
fickle yew
@pseudo ocean well that looks odd for sure 😁
worthy cape
Some fancy feature of the time graph thingie that puts the month on the "first" day of the week to let you orientate yourself better?
(people who start their week on Sunday are weird, btw)
slow forge
@fickle yew Getting 520
When I try to view specific characters
On the build portion of the site of course
dim elk
does PoB calculate Energy Leech values? cant seem to get it to work
of course enabled the "Do you always have Energy Shield?" and "Are you Leeching Energy Shield" checkboxes
trim gazelle
does PoB calculate like you're hitting 3 times the multistrike or is it only thinking about the first hit with no bonus damage?
gloomy token
multistrike isn't calculated by pob properly atm
openarl said he doesnt know how to code it or something like that iirc
wind garden
character api's lost its mind
@compact isle getting incorrect currency data from the private character api
not just out of date, really incorrect data
the type of currencies appears to be correct, but the quanitty is off by more than 50%
compact isle
can you PM me an example?
distant sedge
hey guys anyone has any sort of calculator or sheet set up for ryslathas coil?
woeful flame
Hi guys. Someone added impale to PoB as github pull request. I created my own fork and accepted that pull request. Now i want to build (compile) PoB. Anyone know how to do it?
woeful flame
Okay im dumb, you don't need to compile it
uneven wren
is there any way to get a list of all the official trade whispers strings?
in all languages, I mean
uneven wren
awesome, thanks @polar island
fallow zinc
I wonder if a browser plugin or something could be made where you have it look at a character profile, and it compares all nodes with their known stats to show the difference from these new legion jewels
simple ravine
Of course.
frigid nova
Would be a great way to collect data for reverse engineering
wind garden
I’m getting live searches closing randomly too. Thinking something is up.
Or down...
mortal bone
It wouldn't be too hard to make a service that just collects data, but the difficult part is vetting that data
I have thought about it a bunch
frigid nova
could you elaborate?
mortal bone
have skill tree
select jewel socket
give seed and name
select what notables/keystones happen with that
save to db
then someone can:
select jewel socket
select seed/name combo
see what it would do to their tree
frigid nova
Oh yeah I don't know if there would be enough data for people to do direct look up, but it could help reverse engineer the underlying formulation?
mortal bone
it wouldn't hurt that is for sure
trying to keep people honest is the difficult part
frigid nova
Oh I thought the idea was to use the api to collect the data
chrome topaz
yeah just use public trees
mortal bone
do they show the modified passives?
frigid nova
One would hope 😮
violet path
the public trees don't show changes from the timeless jewels
at least the ones im looking at don't
frigid nova
😦
mortal bone
Yeah, I didn't think they would
frigid nova
how disappointing
chrome topaz
did anybody check if it's client or server-side calculation?
mortal bone
haven't gotten a jewel to look tbh
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/r9duc/characters?characterName=CaveretienLegion
This guy has a timeless jewel, but as you can see it doesn't show the new passives
worthy cape
@mortal bone Been on Octavian's stream today, approximately 50% of the questions are "why are you running MoM with BM?" 😄
mortal bone
Oh my...
frigid nova
Does anyone know if they changed the min and max chance to evade? Pob seems to still have it at 5% to 95%
golden bane
The patch notes didn't mention any changes to evasion afaik
frigid nova
I see, so only monster evasion cap lowered?
Or perhaps monsters never had an evasion cap?
golden bane
I cant't find any info on that one, but I imagine it would work like it does for players
frigid nova
Well the patch notes indicate you can have 100% chance to hit enemies, so enemies must not have a 5% minimum chance to evade.
golden bane
Good catch, they might have 95% max though
frigid nova
Okay, so a level 100 character with a lvl 1 tree has no Estimated Chance to Evade stat in the character sheet - leading me to believe the minimum chance to evade is now 0.
mortal bone
Yeah, you can reach 100% hit chance
frigid nova
@mortal bone do you know if monster and player evasion caps are the same?
mortal bone
I don't know what you mean by evasion cap
mortal bone
that is because hit chance was capped at 95%
frigid nova
It was unclear to me if there was a separate cap - you're claiming there isn't and the in game evidence supports your claim
mortal bone
You still have a minimum chance to hit
which is 5%
so, yes evasion would be capped at 95%
the top end was removed as far as I know
frigid nova
We do - rory told us and its implemented in pob
mortal bone
ah cool
frigid nova
They just multiplied the old formula by 1.15
mortal bone
lol
frigid nova
I updated the wiki to indicate this
mortal bone
nice
torn gazelle
Hey guys
Is there a document somewhere that tells who is developing what?
I have some spare time but I wouldn't want to end up doing something that's already being worked on
We could also add some sort of tools wishlist
golden bane
Reddit has some master posts about available tools
torn gazelle
Can we pin it here?
golden bane
Only API stuff gets pinned afaik
woeful flame
Is there channel or server specifically for PoB? I want to learn it deeper in dev part, but it's kinda hard without documentation or someone who can help.
torn gazelle
Is POB even open source?
golden bane
Just ask your question here
Yes, it's MIT licenced
However, it's graphics library isn't open source
golden bane
woeful flame
its on guthub, so its open
golden bane
Well, being on github =/= open source
simplegraphics.dll is in there too and not open source
woeful flame
yes some parts can be closed
i have one problem, i added impale stats (chance, effect) into ModParser-3_0.lua and its work fine with anything except passive tree, but text in passive tree 100% the same as custom mods in flask for example. Is it required to do something additional specifically for passive tree?
woeful flame
i figured it out, you need to edit Data\3_0\ModCache.lua for passive tree mods
novel wing
Hello there, ive seen somewhere some kind of map counter, i would like to follow how much maps and wich ones i do, can anyone point me in any direction wich app to check out? 😃
slow forge
@novel wing You can start with this http://pathofmaps.com/
No clue if it's updated though
novel wing
THX IM gonna chech that
torn gazelle
last commit is 2016 :/
worthy cape
Cool, trade delay is bimodal today, 30min on poe.trade, 5-10min on official.
Put a fossil up for sale, went to delve again, got a torrent of whispers as I neared the end of the delve and later in HO.
Other set occurred after running a map or two, I guess.
Somewhat different syntax in the first batch, the second batch looked the same.
One lad in the second batch identified as poe.trade user when I asked out of curiosity.
So what does the river do? Feed you weird data or just being inert?
fossil epoch
I'm looking for some code that will parse stash tab item JSON. Trying to identify which items in a tab are "good", ie a combination of high tier affixes or whatever. Happy with almost any language, Javascript or Python preferred. I found xKynn's PoE and OmegaK2's PyPoE but can't tell if either does what I need.
slow forge
The main website's load times for searches are annoying af ngl
Not to mention it throwing an error every other try
fossil epoch
https://pathofexile.com/character-window/get-stash-items seems to have the data I want. Just it's things like "+61 to maximum Life" and I want to reverse that to "tier 3 +life"
just wondering if there's code that I can reuse to do that.
worthy cape
Does that do separate overlapping mods?
frigid nova
@fossil epoch you can find all the information necessary to do what you're looking for in the following json files:
https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE/blob/master/data/mods.json
https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE/blob/master/data/stat_translations.json
As poeapp is indicating, you'll have issues with the fact many mods lead to the same stat.
fossil epoch
thank you so much nick_
frigid nova
I have code which spits out all possible possibilities of true mods based on affixes, but its really sloppy and not ready for public release.
fossil epoch
I hadn't thought about combined mods, yuck
fossil epoch
let me back up. the problem I have is I have a quad tab full of crap. I want to know "what's good"? poeprices.info has a nice tool for that but it relies on you trusting their pricing model which is.. not entirely accurate.
I'd love something that just goes through a tab and highlights "this is a good roll"
isn't that the get-stash-items call?
that's the one poeprices.info uses, and also what the live website seems to use when you browse your stash
yeah, this get-stash-items API does split out combined affixes. Like Spiny Rhino's life and armor show up as two separate mods. bummer, makes things hard.
mortal bone
Yeah, the river is a lot of data
the last time I looked into at all it was like ~40gb a day
but that is all determined by how many people are using it
fossil epoch
is the "river" some sort of stream of public stash data for the trade api?
worthy cape
@velvet fog Do you know the distinction between regular1 and regular2?
Is one stat travel nodes while the other is wheel passive nodes?
wind garden
ya official trade site doesn't return results for me either
this is the most broken I've seen it in a while
surreal robin
@earnest radish ah no, so before u only had this one tab of ppl wanting to buy stuff from you, but a new tab is added where it keeps track of whispers I send out now, which also lets me go into thier ho, and say ty to them.
I just wish that tab was gone, cuz i dont need it to keep going down the list when im whispering 50 ppl for a map
wind garden
the "Trade site isn't working" thread on reddit was up to 90 upvotes and then it's down to 86. Who would downvote that?!?
spark kiln
soo is trade companion pushbullet notifications not working or is it just me ?
rose sapphire
painful migration to the cloudflare with unexpected surprises. it should work now
fossil epoch
http://filterblade.xyz/ and http://www.filterblade.xyz/ have different locally saved data. that explains a lot of confusion.
I've forgotten the LocalStorage model but I'm not sure it has to be that way. but yeah, a redirect would solve that
mortal bone
Yeah, you can't share data across subdomains
worthy cape
@earnest radish Had some problems with eddb.io in the past around that, there was surprising differences in IE/Edge vs. the rest of the world in behaviour.
mortal bone
session storage is useless in the case of filterblade
worthy cape
Don't remember if it was local storage or just cookies, had serious trouble with staying logged in there.
mortal bone
didn't know you could make an account
chrome topaz
it's gonna get worse tomorrow and on sunday
hidden lodge
Why delve mods are not showing on http://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=Body+Armour&an=str_armour when you check fossils?
chrome topaz
eventually the problem's gonna resolve itself
frigid nova
animalnots - I see the delve mods showing up?
Evasion got hit pretty hard, I quickly plotted chance to evade differential against i83 enemies
mortal bone
Is there a source on the new chance to hit calculation?
frigid nova
mortal bone
Ah, the wiki is wrong
the wiki is says the attack accuracy is multiplied by 1.15
instead of everything
the current formula results in a negative chance to hit
frigid nova
I think I lost you
All I did was bring 1.15 into the numerator. The formula results in a ratio of two positive numbers, so not sure how one would get a negative chance to hit out of it.
I suppose its worth emphasizing that we need to cap at 100% now since asymptotically (in accuracy) the formula tends to 115%
mortal bone
Ah, yeah. I see what happened
frigid nova
Updated the page: Not sure if the new formula is more or less confusing 🤷
Any PyPoE experts know how to solve the following warning? UserWarning: Missing translation for support_greater_spell_echo_area_of_effect_+%_per_repeat
mortal bone
Na, I just messed up. You can get a negative number for your chance to evade meaning an enemy always hits
evasion got shit on haha
frigid nova
This is supposing monster accuracy didn't get lowered - OpenArl didnt change it in PoB but I haven't checked DefaultMonsterStats.dat directly yet
mortal bone
they said players need about 3k accuracy to always hit end game white mobs
chrome topaz
the api's not even doing that bad, it's just backlogged hard but at least it's not lagging taking 30+ s per response like it used to
fossil epoch
someone fed the gerbils
worthy cape
Ugh... not overly keen on implementing a dat loader.
indigo abyss
Is there a way to get Phantasms loaded into POB?
grave wren
They are there. What is missing?
grave wren
Is there a tool to help with fossil crafting combos? I feel like there is one more advanced than poedb but can't find it. I found https://fossilizer.gitlab.io/ but i think i remember a desktop app
slow forge
@grave wren This https://github.com/Gloorf/POECraftingShenanigans ?
grave wren
yep thanks ❤
indigo abyss
@grave wren ok clearly i dont know what im doing in PoB then, because I have no way to see the dps calculations for Phantasms socketed in a Soulwrest
grave wren
oh you mean that - you need to socket in a minion in the staff and then it shows up
its kinda weird
example: https://pastebin.com/E5t9WHRS
indigo abyss
thanks
grave wren
grave wren
Think I've found a bug in poe - if you use VEQ it seems to add fire volkuurs poison chance but it should not work for poison chance
simple ravine
@timid hemlock, There seems to be a bug in PoB where you can't filter by 'One Handed Sowrd' and 'Weapon 2' slot.
simple ravine
Well, for my dual wield I would like to compare off-hand weapons
mortal bone
swap your main weapon to the off hand and compare main weapons
simple ravine
Well, there are items which have special stuff for Main/Off Hand, like Scaeva
timid hemlock
Sorting by DPS when dual wielding already looks for the best weapons for either slot
You don't really need an offhand-specific sort
simple ravine
Ah, alright
timid hemlock
Same with rings, BTW
frigid thorn
Anyone know of a .NET based POE public stash tab indexer?
simple ravine
@frigid thorn I started some basic logic for it, but never made it complete with storage/indexing. I need to check the state of the code before linking it though
frigid thorn
I found https://github.com/Celisuis/ExileNET but I came across issues with it.
worthy cape
@simple ravine Found out why I thought that some of my GGPK traversals were so slow. Turns out that my test suite runs like extreme slugs or not terminating at all when I click the little "Run test" thing next to my #[test] function, but finishes in like a second with the same command in Git Bash.
simple ravine
oh wicked, is it something with vs code or rust?
worthy cape
Not sure really... doesn't happen for all the tests either.
simple ravine
My tests really don't go to actual files. I construct small in-memory chunks and use those
worthy cape
Looking at snapshots of the thread stacks in Process Explorer, it seems like it's spending most of the time constructing backtraces.
It might be things like mem.get(0..end).ok_or(format_err!("File at {} truncated", offset))?;
Not sure why it'd be slower when run from VSCode, but I guess they're acting as a debugger or something?
simple ravine
are you using mem maps in your tests?
worthy cape
ok_or takes the error argument eagerly, ok_or_else takes a function that generates an error.
Yeah, I'm working directly against a GGPK on a SSD.
Many of them are less tests and more quick-and-dirty exploratory programs.
simple ravine
so if it's 'sometimes' and not 'all the time', i suspect it has to do with a race condition
worthy cape
After turning those into ok_or_else my VS Code test run takes (took PT4.812926800S)
chrome topaz
finally some proper trade api lag
worthy cape
Seems like it's "sometimes" as in only some tests, probably the ones doing this kind of thing
\o/
Game is having some lags now too, party invites get you "The operation timed out" 😃
chrome topaz
I like how people on reddit are already theorycrafting the reasons behind it
like cmon
worthy cape
o.O
simple ravine
haha, "Yeah, everybody knows that"
worthy cape
@simple ravine You're the best rubber ducky.
simple ravine
zao: I've heard that before 😄
I was doing merciless lab, and got stuck at loading on 3rd phase. Not a big deal, but slightly annoying
@chrome topaz I went to your site by habit, but opted to leave because of that new ad/cookie thing u put in there
major annoyance
worthy cape
allan plz
simple ravine
cookie consent "please pick what cookies to disallow out of these 4809324"
I'm not spending hundreds of clicks to then use the site
worthy cape
Oh gods, that's some dark UI.
simple ravine
yeah, time to update adtrack database on my dnsmasq
how does that work? my security gateway uses dnsmasq internally
and then provides NS server via DHCP, so I just put some cron jobs on it
chrome topaz
yeah I don't have much control over what they do with gdpr stuff
simple ravine
DoH resolver?
chrome topaz
cloudflare's eating the world
chrome topaz
what happened?
simple ravine
they said for some reason, that we had to go with their enterprise plan, or they would kick us out
we at the same time had an affiliate who got their IP range on a blacklist
we told them we had thrown the affiliate out and reprimanded them etc
but because of all this, they said only enterprise plan would make them consider helping us
it was bad
we moved to incapsula, and never looked back
they also support BGP, so we were happy
cant recall the regular traffic numbers, but a not more than 1M uniques per month
it wasn't the free/cheap one, but it wasn't the enterprise either as far as I could recall
the DDoS was pretty big though
chrome topaz
yeah cloudflare asked me about enterprise plan too but it was more of a suggestion not a "we'll kick you out if you don't" thing
so I just said "no" and kept using the free one
simple ravine
in our case, they knew that we were losing a lot of money each hour we were offline
chrome topaz
yeah ddos sucks
simple ravine
and because we handled other peoples' money as well, they could not access it, which gave adverse affects on our reputation
worthy cape
@polar island Heh, Octavian mentioning poeapp as a good place to get stuff on stream. 😃
worthy cape
Mostly mourning official trade.
chrome topaz
it's always time
poe.trade can consume about 4x what the api's returning atm
there's just 1 index server
and 7 load balanced web servers
cost?
I see
not for poe.trade
yeah they're pretty fat servers
every one's got 256 GB ram and an E5-1650
worthy cape
RAM's got to hurt the pocket book.
grave wren
worthy cape
We've got a bunch of compute nodes at work with 3T memory. That was ... uncheap 😃
chrome topaz
one of my servers is quite literally on fire
because somebody didn't plug in the cpu fan
or something
grave wren
grave wren
amd or riot
deft jolt
Damn didn't think poetrade would have that beefy servers
chrome topaz
hetzner has amd servers too
I've got an EPYC 7401P
that'd be sweet
I think at that point I might bottleneck on ram bandwidth
well say if you've got 64 cores, ram bandwidth is what, 60 GB/s? so you'll get less than 1GB/s per core
and if you have a lot of stuff in ram I think it could be a problem
anyway if people want trade api to stop lagging they should just stop listing their 1c crap
ez solution
grave wren
maybe there would also be a point in upgrading api tech over the years :>
chrome topaz
it would be nice if they made it like 10x faster and included 5x the data
yeah I don't think that's happening
I don't think it's feasible tbh
like they'd have to redo the whole infrastructure
I don't know how it's actually implemented but I can make guesses
and currently I guess it's basically you change stash => timestamp/id gets updated
your stash api query is essentially return all stashes with higher timestamp
now they'd need per-item updates
which would bottleneck a different part of the game
worthy cape
Pretty much all of HPC is in a "waiting for Rome" holding pattern.
So much bandwidth.
rapid pagoda
Not sure what you mean by "repeated data"
grave wren
things like item descriptions or other longer repeated stuff?
i wonder what'd happen if you cut those
that stuff should reduce response size by a lot
rapid pagoda
not to mention map stash tabs
cosmic saffron
people crafting in premium stashes also update the entire tab doesn't it
puts away chromes
rapid pagoda
@cosmic saffron I think the changes only get published when your stash syncs
which does happen on some crafting actions, but not all
I used to have a greasemonkey script to auto-copy stash tabs into poeprices and I remember having to port to town and back sometimes to get changes to show up
simple ravine
the amd 64 thread cpu... is it "datacenter certified"?
rapid pagoda
low clocks are kind of par for the course for high core count parts
simple ravine
or higher TDP
earnest ledge
There's more going on with the stash sync events than just zone changes, I've seen people Divine items in a public tab before and get multiple updates, one every few seconds
Unless they were intentionally changing zones each time to grief but that seems unlikely
rapid pagoda
@earnest ledge right, certain crafting operations force a sync
generally ones involving valuable currency 😃
earnest ledge
Ah, I knew about currencies forcing updates to the DB to avoid rollback exploits, didn't realize those syncs also push out to the stash api
But that makes sense then
It's interesting that there seems to be no cooldown on how often an update for a tab gets sent via the river
But I guess the vast majority of syncs are caused by zone changes, or whatever interval they have set
rapid pagoda
if there were a cooldown, either they'd have to have some sort of queueing for changes, or they'd lose some updates
earnest ledge
So it probably wouldn't help much to add cooldown
rapid pagoda
players would find lost updates intolerable, and queueing would probably add more load/complexity than just letting all updates through
simple ravine
Could add a deduplication queue and a 30 second trigger
I guess it depends on how you shard it
If you use a distributed actor model thing like Akka or Orleans, you could force a write-through when they disconnect
when everybody gets kicked out at the same time, there will be a login queue anyway
i think it's solvable, but I would have to think about it
yeah. I think Akka/Orleans could be a piece of the puzzle to solve it
chrome topaz
monthly fees for public stash tabs
rapid pagoda
pay to play marketplace listings? I'm sure players would get right on board with that /s
something something "randomly enforced SSF"
cosmic saffron
chinese version lets you rent premium stashes
mortal bone
Yeah, the challenge requires you to have twinned rolled on the map
mortal bone
Added the jewel visuals to http://poeskilltree.com/. You can now Shift + Click a jewel socket and select what kind of jewel you want to go there. A small step towards collecting data haha
simple ravine
This slowly becoming the offline replacement?
mortal bone
I don't think it is ever going to be a replacement. I am just more interested in TypeScript right now than anything
simple ravine
I think it would be a good idea
and all the hard work brathering put into his calculation engine, could be used with the blazor
mortal bone
also, PixiJS is a very nice WebGL wrapper. I like it a lot more than System.Drawing
Yeah, the calculation stuff can be ported to a lot of places once it is done
simple ravine
hows it going for him? he's been at it for quite some time now
mortal bone
I don't think I will ever try and incorporate that into the website though
Pretty good as far as I can tell haha
simple ravine
To me, it looks a little overcomplicating, but I haven't had the time to go through it in detail
simple ravine
Why would you not want to incorporate it into a website though?
mortal bone
he is currently working on jewel support
I honestly don't like the DPS calculation stuff
I don't need the stress of it being out of date
look at what happens with OpenARL. Dude gets shit on if gem information isn't there day one
simple ravine
so you're not gonna go there with PoeSkillTree at all?
are people really giving him shit though?
well I guess, it's the Internet
mortal bone
Eh, just look at the threads. People complain a lot
I originally just wanted to make a skill tree online to give a nice visual comparison when we get the passive data every launch
simple ravine
It's unfortunate that people feel the urge to complain about something that is made available for free
simple ravine
It's not paying though. I could also bet my left nut that the people who actually are complaining are not the one showing their support.
mortal bone
Most likely
I haven't even added stat summing to the website haha
I should do that at some point
grave wren
@velvet fog poedb has some trouble with keeping language settings for me, if i go to the timeless jewel page and over uniques it defaults to my browser locale
grave wren
http://reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/c12zr7/if_someone_told_me_4_years_ago_that_trading_in/erbih09. Y'all got some of that black market apis
worthy cape
Downvotes clearly trying to hide the truth.
violet path
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/c0x9ne/the_technical_issues_are_getting_out_of_hand/erb1yhe/?context=3
"we ran extensive load-testing with bots on a test server before Legion's launch." wake up sheeple ggg is botting
worthy cape
@simple ravine Speaking of extortion - https://www.zdnet.com/article/cern-leaves-microsoft-programs-behind-for-open-source-software/
simple ravine
Wonder why they revoked their academic status
worthy cape
Seems like the contract ended and I guess they couldn't grandfather the previous terms over.
Probably had a very very beneficial contract older than most PoE players 😛
fossil epoch
I feel bad for GGG and the trade problems. We saw this with League of Legends too. Running a data center / website is a very different set of skills than running a game.
worthy cape
Posts like the one in that thread claiming the game is "not optimized" bums me out. The game is a freaking technical marvel.
fossil epoch
you can tell from all the visual effects pixels
worthy cape
Must suck that you can't front-load the exact data you need thanks to cheaters.
"here's this amazing streaming asset system, all because of you maphacking dingbats"
@fossil epoch I'm sure Clash will successfully launch any decade now 😃
fossil epoch
I figured out what I need. I need GGG's auction house search filters, but as a code library I can run on my own.
chrome topaz
my wish? what happened?
chrome topaz
I don't think I wished for them
deft jolt
https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexiledev/comments/c17rg8/trade_url_format/erc22kx/ Found the reason why xyz needs those girthy servers
grave wren
quick ban him xyz
simple ravine
I wish I had the same amount of time to play I had 1-2 years ago
delicate ore
does anyone have a log file parser library
simple ravine
I was considering making one
what runtime?
don't think much has happened with the log format since then though?
but javascript?
lots of allocations though
it's all in index.js it seems like 😂
but why is there's also a tail.on(...
it looks like two implementations
ah you're right
@polar island what's your go-to language? javascript?
grave wren
got something more simple than that in py so not worth posting
slow forge
Time to migrate to poeapp, 'cus off. website does not want to cooperate 
chrome topaz
goto considered harmful
simple ravine
nothing wrong with goto
i'm fairly sure your compiler will make jmpstatements out of your loops
chrome topaz
yeah they sometimes ask you for a passport
I think at one point they (or maybe some other hosting service) used to ask for a photo/scan of your credit card too
simple ravine
Meanwhile, spending $10k a month on Azure doesn't require anything from you
chrome topaz
$10k per month probs only gonna cover the traffic
chrome topaz
on hetzner all traffic is free if you're not using the 10 Gbps addon
poe.trade ingress is like 3% of total traffic too
chrome topaz
I mean it's traffic on load balancer
so you get http requests which are super small
and http responses which are super big
I see
so yeah it's all compressed
couple years ago I had a problem where requests between users and the load balancer were compressed, but requests between the load balancer and the actual web servers weren't (default nginx config) and it eventually saturated the 1 Gbps link
simple ravine
If your output is that much though, I think there is some gains to be made on your egress
chrome topaz
I mean it's free
the time rewriting it isn't free
and then there's always the 10 Gbps option which has 1 eur per extra terabyte of traffic
which is like what, about 100x cheaper than the clouds
yeah that wiki page is pretty confusing
simple ravine
how much do u egress approximately per month?
chrome topaz
I think about 5-30 TB
simple ravine
but yeah, you're right - it's much cheaper than the cloud
1 TB cost you $89
unless you do like 350 TB+
chrome topaz
yeah
chrome topaz
🤑
fossil epoch
does anyone know the poeprices.info people? do they hang out here?
worthy cape
Hrm, odd. Does anyone know why the official site doesn't have the Timeless modifiers searchable?
cosmic saffron
Bathed in the blood of # sacrificed in the name of Xibaqua Passives in radius are Conquered by the Vaal works the same way as historic
you'll have to drill down by name
worthy cape
Commanded leadership over 12456 warriors under Kiloava doesn't exist in search, f.ex.
There's only one mod that is for all five jewel kinds or something?
Ick, it's the weird kind of range on a single huge mod, that' s essentially unsearchable.
1 to 100-8000
Where first digit is faction and second is seed range, which doesn't help at all 😦
velvet fog
there are 3 parameters for unique timeless jewel
mortal bone
Faction, Seed, Name?
velvet fog
local_unique_jewel_alternate_tree_version local_unique_jewel_alternate_tree_seed local_unique_jewel_alternate_tree_keystone
version is faction
mortal bone
Nice. I have been messing around a bit with the alternate passive dat files. There are a lot of fields that don't make much sense
queen oriole
a few of em are flags for adding/removing/modifying node types, but you probably won't know what without decompiling
chrome topaz
so are they client side?
mortal bone
Yeah, the first two columns in the AlternateTreeVersions data look like flags for stat nodes and regular mode replacement
The next 6 or so don't look like flags thiugh
All the data is client side
I haven't debugged the client though to see if the algorithm is
velvet fog
Mark told us that it would be impossible since the algorithm is in code and not data files.
"impossible"
velvet fog
GGG want to prevent data files mining
mortal bone
Data/AlternatePassiveAdditions.dat, Data/AlternatePassiveSkills.dat, Data/AlternateTreePassiveSizes.dat, Data/AlternateTreeVersions.dat I think are all the tables for the new passives
might have missed one
chrome topaz
where's that quote from?
earnest ledge
I dont know if its word for word, but that talking point was discussed on baeclast. ep 41 I think
But just because they say its impossible doesn't mean it actually is. Obviously they intend for it to be, or at least intend for people to think it is
mortal bone
To be fair, it might be obfuscated quite a bit
Over the next few days, I am going to take some time and flesh out the passive skill tree json page. Is there anything specific anyone would like to see in there?
chrome topaz
of course it's gonna be obfuscated they use c++ with boost
mortal bone
The thing is we have known inputs and outputs, so reverse engineering the algorithm is possible with enough data
simple ravine
It could become quite a rough ride heh. Imagine reverse engineering SHA256 from a bunch of before & afters
chrome topaz
it would also be impossible if they use it with an unknown salt for example
slow forge
Is it reading your inventory?
deft jolt
hope it wasn't my fault 
slender peak
Hey, guys, am I correct in assuming this is the place where questions pertaining the PoE wiki API can be asked? Because I have one to which the answer could not be found in the documentation by me...
slender peak
Okay. Thanks 😃
frigid nova
@mortal bone A friend and I have started recording some timeless jewel effects to begin understanding them, happy to pm you if youre interested in joining efforts.
mortal bone
I am currently working on a way that you can share them
frigid nova
👍
Sounds very useful
Also does anyone in here know how to patch stat translation errors warnings on pypoe_exporter?
mortal bone
what errors?
frigid nova
warnings*
UserWarning: Missing translation for support_greater_spell_echo_area_of_effect_+%_per_repeat
mortal bone
I am not super sure how they work, but I think you can add the definition to the custom stat translations
@obtuse citrus will know more
cursive ferry
Live search on poe.trade is now 3 minutes late compared to official trade, that's kind of new isnt it ? last league I remenber it was as quick as official trade
chrome topaz
yeah the api's backlogged
cursive ferry
is it true to say that the most fresh data obtainable is from the official trade API live search ?
mortal bone
timeless jewels currently working with keystones haha all the other stuff is going to be a pain
chrome topaz
no, not always
https://access.redhat.com/security/vulnerabilities/tcpsack wow this one's pretty bad
worthy cape
Good thing our parallel filesystem is currently so broken that a TCP DoS wouldn't register on the monitoring 😄
wind garden
how is poeapp ahead of both poe.trade and pathofexile.com/trade?
you'd think pathofexile.com would at least be caught up with....itself...
queen oriole
different hardware, different cataloging systems, different infrastructure, etc
once they find out at least you'll get all the sweet traffic
chrome topaz
black magic
wind garden
you said you had someone the other day with 100 live searches open? lol
worthy cape
Feed abusers older and worse results 😃
(like the 1000 connection scraper described the other day)
violet path
hmm i can only get ~80 on official website before it gets mad, if poe.app can get 100+ i'll have to check it out :p
compact isle
someone made ~30 new accounts to get around the per-account rate-limiting back in the day
that was fun
golden yacht
hi hello
velvet fog
TencentAutoLootPetCurrencies.dat, TencentAutoLootPetCurrenciesExcludable.dat
worthy cape
Ooh.
@velvet fog Thanks again for the lead on the Hideouts -> WorldAreas -> Topologies -> DGR -> * stuff.
Parsing in my language is a mess, but got through DGR and TSI thus far, getting a better feeling for the big picture.
velvet fog
Im interested in .arm files too, wish to do some mining next week
fickle yew
@compact isle any chance the ladder api could indicate whether a characters profile is public or private? It would save a lot of requests not fetching / retrying private ones.
rose sapphire
- and oauth profile request too
golden yacht
is the best way to check for changes on the ladder just by... scraping the entire ladder 200 entries at a time
or is there some super secret API that I'm not aware of
😩 💫
velvet fog
using Export CSV for 2000 entries at a time
golden yacht
is that at the same rate? 🤔
velvet fog
but it don't contain Depth information
golden yacht
oh yeah I need that... and the challenges etc 😞
velvet fog
@compact isle Is it possible 'Export CSV' function contains Depth, Depth(Solo) and challenges information?
golden yacht
I'm sure novynn is very busy at the moment 😅
though it is 5:45 maybe he's stuck in the hellscape that is auckland traffic
golden yacht
does openarl post here
golden yacht
Hmm maybe later its not urgent 😅
distant rock
@compact isle Just wanted to check if there's any news regarding OAuth for us? (Exilence). We're in the works of re-working the login, and just wanted to check before we go with the cookie-approach once again.
velvet fog
did you sent mail to roryv@ ?
obsidian lark
No we did not, we previously got information here that they were trying the implementation with more straight-forward apps then Exilence and that Novynn had us in mind for later on but we haven't heard anything since. This was a couple of months ago i think.
Would you recommend we send a mail?
simple ravine
I had a discussion about this with him. The issue is app-secret and desktop apps, security etc.
You would still have to make a web implementation that hides your keys, and take responsibility for mitigating abuse between you and the web app
velvet fog
sent your requirement and usage to roryv@grindinggear.com he is handling oauth2
cursive ferry
I really don't get the next-change-id thing. If I compare the change id from poe.watch and poe.ninja (at the nearly same time), the first one end in 438089868 and the second one is 438433357 but I can see a huge difference (343489). then when I try something from a piece of code (it gets the id from poe.ninja), it kind of fetch every 3 seconds (dl time is 2 or 3 second, parse time 700ms - using Go) for two following ids I have 438435390 and 438435421 (difference of 31) and my new id is always far behind the one on poe.ninja
does it mean poe.ninja is kind of (343489 / 31 * 3sec) seconds ahead of poe.watch ?
and is this true https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/a/148684 ?
deft jolt
I sure hope it's not falling behind
how's poewatch compare to the official change id api and maybe the poe-rates one?
chrome topaz
I can tell that this part "And the maths is what makes sites like poe.trade able to det data indexed within seconds and is their "secret sauce"" is false at least
grave wren
Can I get some salsa from you xyz
cursive ferry
The only interesting thing I found out is that you can fetch each "sub id" separatly and quicker (making it easy to multi thread it and hopefully more up to date). If you take for an example 412012734-427662813-402804879-462626896-438461745 and increase the last 4 ids to something very high (bunch of 9s) you get smaller dataset from the api and only the first id is increasing. my concern then is that you get rate limited. here is an example: 412012976-99999999... next one is 412013017-99999999.... dl time is 717ms,body size uncompressed is 1.3mb and parse time 400ms
simple ravine
The stash river is sharded, each number comprising of a specific shard
If you set all numbers, except one very high, you will only get a subset of the stash tabs
cursive ferry
my guess is that you can still predict the next shard id depending on the previous call to make things more multithreaded and "fresh" and keep up with the fresh upstream
simple ravine
I don't think that is a viable approach
and if I may be blunt, I think you're overcomplicating things
cursive ferry
Do you have any tips for that ? that is true haha
simple ravine
tips for what? I am not really sure what your concern is in the first place
cursive ferry
How can one (with the capacity of its own computer and a good bandwith) keep up with the fresh data of the stash API ?
cursive ferry
haha
simple ravine
if your parse time is 400ms for 1.3MB of json, I think you have room to improve
cursive ferry
It's true i'm overcomplicating, now i'm thinking of a way to parse as soon as possible the "next_change_id"
simple ravine
you can only do 1 request per second, IIRC. the max size will be ~5 MB
chrome topaz
yeah you can do the 999... thing but don't forget that technically ggg asks you to only fetch once per 1s
simple ravine
get moar IPs 😄
chrome topaz
I'm not sure it's actually enforced but if you do the split thing it might be slower
simple ravine
Get a server, put 5 external IPs on it, and make GGG annoyed
chrome topaz
by "parse time" do you mean just json parsing or something else?
simple ravine
When I made the parser when dabbling with it, I made it so it grabbed the next_change_id as soon as it was presented, then continued with parsing the rest with a regular JSON parser
chrome topaz
also don't forget the part where unless you're whitelisted you get 1 minute delay or something
simple ravine
I'm sure xyz can attest to the average size when being at the head of the river.
cursive ferry
haha thezensei, yes parse time, I wanted to have a quick look to this think and played with a go project github.com/ccbrown/poe-go if you are familiar with go i'm using the default json parser json.Unmarshal(b, tabs)
simple ravine
Optimizing for reading 5MB JSONs vs 100 kB json is slightly different (if you want to microoptimize)
simple ravine
I am not familiar with Go, no
cursive ferry
( I felt in love with this language a few month back, now my git is full of that)
simple ravine
yeah, I think I had similar parse times for 5MB with my quick test in .NET
cursive ferry
still something I can't improve is that download time, I don't know why but it takes like 3s (i'm at uni right now so bandwith is fat, FAT)
ok actually I was counting the body download time on the parse time, so request time is 3s, body dl 500ms, parse time 140ms
simple ravine
dude have you been living under a rock, xyz?
.NET Core 2.1 and 3.0 are quite faster than an old view of .NET Framework from early 2000s
chrome topaz
yeah but not rapidjson-level fast
simple ravine
based on what information?
chrome topaz
based on how rapidjson's literally the fastest json parsing library, and if some .net one was faster or even about as fast everybody would be talking about it
simple ravine
Is that based on a 1-off JSON parse, or a warmed up parser?