#tooldev-general | Path of Exile 1 & 2 | Page 86

lime stump Apr 4, 2019, 11:19 PM

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even starting fresh

long edge Apr 4, 2019, 11:20 PM

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youre misinterpreting the colors

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orange is for urneachable, yellow is for reachable reward nodes

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the benefit of having the button is that it artificially adds depth to the tool

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im just following ggg design logic

long edge Apr 4, 2019, 11:41 PM

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@lime stump https://zedor.github.io/poeNexusBlocker/?00A0090700408050040000050040000000500A000070000A0090700A8009070080000900008003000000060030000060030A060090700800100

lime stump Apr 4, 2019, 11:42 PM

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looks good

long edge Apr 4, 2019, 11:45 PM

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debatable

long edge Apr 5, 2019, 1:16 AM

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i think im onto something here but nobody is interested in this stupid mechanic

long edge Apr 5, 2019, 1:33 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/p8dgaMH.png im going to add this

Imgur

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and make the assumption toggleable

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since finding conclusive information is next to impossible

long edge Apr 5, 2019, 1:59 AM

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actually theres nothing needed to code, this is the most efficient blocking method hands down: https://zedor.github.io/poeNexusBlocker/?00A00B0B00B000B00B0B0B0B00B0B000B0B00B0B00000B0B0090000000000700B0B00000B0B00B0B000B0B00B0B0B0B00B000B00B0B00800100

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only the average path needs to be recalculated, but its 1.25 actually

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its impossible to brick if you always take care of your fragments

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you can get away with it with only 8 4way nodes aswell

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intredasting

chrome topaz Apr 5, 2019, 2:20 PM

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https://reddit.com/r/pathofexileps4/comments/b9qern/procurement_with_ps4_only_support/

r/pathofexileps4 - Procurement with PS4 (only) support

3 votes and 10 comments so far on Reddit

velvet fog Apr 5, 2019, 2:30 PM

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ps4 don't have public stash api

chrome topaz Apr 5, 2019, 2:36 PM

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but it has the forum

timid crest Apr 5, 2019, 5:40 PM

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anyone knows for how long the item lingers in the trade api after it's gone?

severe prawn Apr 5, 2019, 6:57 PM

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this one is a bit more balanced on the types of fragments used to do the blocking

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https://zedor.github.io/poeNexusBlocker/?00A00B0B00B000B00B0B0B0B00B0B000B0B00B0B00000B0B0090000000000700B0B00B00B0B00B0BBBBB0B00B00B00B00B000B00B0B00800100

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alot of options though to accomplish that layout

long edge Apr 5, 2019, 8:21 PM

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so i set it up

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actually i just finished collecting t16 pieces for the mem farm but

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i tried the ultra block before and it takes me 3-4 fragment completions to spawn a reward

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and for some reason i havent gotten a reward while farming mem fragments for a long time

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📎 unknown.png

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so it currently stands at 39/40

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and there are still plenty of places that should be able to spawn rewards

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specifically, 6 more

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pardon me, 5

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so im going to spam some more quarries to see

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what the heck is going on

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(i placed the 3 pieces around nexus to see if it would speed up reward spawning)

covert reef Apr 5, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Does the ladder api have a way to sort by depth?

compact isle Apr 6, 2019, 8:42 AM

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@covert reef you can use sort=depth or sort=depthsolo in the query url

covert reef Apr 6, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Thanks a lot

long edge Apr 6, 2019, 6:26 PM

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any css master here

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nvm

storm wedge Apr 7, 2019, 6:44 AM

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how to install pypoe? different pages show different command lines:
pip3 install -e .[full]
pip install -e .[full]

what are pip and pip3? also it says ".full should either be a path to a local project or a vcs(...)"

rapid pagoda Apr 7, 2019, 6:50 AM

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pip is a Python package manager. https://packaging.python.org/tutorials/installing-packages/

storm wedge Apr 7, 2019, 6:59 AM

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got it, my bad. i thought brackets meant "optional key", but it was just a symbol. "pip install -e .[full]" worked

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is there a way to export data from "BaseItemTypes.dat". I want to get file with something like
(item name) (item width) (item height) (item icon)
. is there a way to write something like sql query for this or smth?

grave wren Apr 7, 2019, 8:37 AM

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@chrome topaz a chinese POB fucked with my bot, after fixing i noticed your pob.party also does not accept it and returns a 500: https://pastebin.com/GLBmDf9w
sent payload: https://gist.github.com/FWidm/25f0297e13fb5877d20badb9f70c8164

hazy fog Apr 7, 2019, 11:02 AM

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LUL

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@grave wren is that caused by chinese characters or something else

storm wedge Apr 7, 2019, 11:33 AM

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where can i find web.poecdn.com link to .png file ?
for example, for vaal regalia it should be "https://web.poecdn.com/image/Art/2DItems/Armours/BodyArmours/BodyStrDexInt1C.png"/ But i don't see anything similar in BaseItemTypes.dat

grave wren Apr 7, 2019, 11:38 AM

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@hazy fog something like it setting the encoding to windows made it work

timid crest Apr 7, 2019, 2:32 PM

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@storm wedge i know that's hardly an ideal solution, but you could make a search and look at Network tab in the browser console

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and then filter by "art"

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actually no, there is a better way

storm wedge Apr 7, 2019, 2:34 PM

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@timid crest thanks, i managed this by doing two things:

downloaading base_items.json from repoe

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writing script to "parse" this json

timid crest Apr 7, 2019, 2:36 PM

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oh i see, its in

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    "visual_identity": {
      "dds_file": "Art/2DItems/Armours/BodyArmours/BodyStrDexInt1C.dds",
      "id": "BodyStrDexInt1C"
    }

storm wedge Apr 7, 2019, 2:37 PM

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how was this json made btw? when i used pypoe json export i got different result

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or this is the exact reason why REpoe was made?

timid crest Apr 7, 2019, 2:38 PM

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but there is also yet another way btw, you can get items of one category from https://poe.watch/api with get
and then get the icon field from there

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for example https://api.poe.watch/get?league=Standard&category=armour

storm wedge Apr 7, 2019, 2:40 PM

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hm ,interesting site.

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another question - is there description anywhere of possible keys for web.poecdn.com link? like scale=1 etc.

timid crest Apr 7, 2019, 2:41 PM

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🤷

storm wedge Apr 7, 2019, 2:42 PM

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as i see, scale=0 ignores h and w parameters

chrome topaz Apr 7, 2019, 5:24 PM

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@grave wren does it work with normal pob? I'm just wondering if I fix it and it turns out it's not even supported

grave wren Apr 7, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Didn't try it I just noticed the encoding issue. Can try in half an hour or so and report back

hazy fog Apr 7, 2019, 5:45 PM

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the chinese pob seems to load yes

frigid nova Apr 7, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Does anyone know if the poe.watch dev hangs out here?

grave wren Apr 7, 2019, 8:54 PM

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@deft jolt

deft jolt Apr 7, 2019, 8:57 PM

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yes that would be me @frigid nova

frigid nova Apr 7, 2019, 10:58 PM

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@compact isle What is the best place to give feedback for the trade website?

compact isle Apr 7, 2019, 10:59 PM

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the forums

frigid nova Apr 7, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Thanks!

mighty anchor Apr 8, 2019, 12:03 AM

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for the poe trade macro it says i need to be in borderless widow mode

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but how

pulsar moat Apr 8, 2019, 3:56 AM

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press escape, graphics options -> display mode -> fullscreen to windowed fullscreen

worthy cape Apr 8, 2019, 6:25 AM

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(or regular windowed mode)

grave wren Apr 8, 2019, 5:57 PM

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@hazy fog this lad above needs some help

hazy fog Apr 8, 2019, 5:57 PM

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hmmm

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🚮

storm wedge Apr 8, 2019, 7:07 PM

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semi-related to poe (more about just strings parsing) question: how can i "pull" item base from magical item name?

template is: (prefix) (base) (suffix)

suffixes are easy - they starts from "of "
but how can i tell if item had prefix at the first place?

frigid nova Apr 8, 2019, 7:08 PM

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You can find all the names of all the mods here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/brather1ng/RePoE/master/data/mods.json
in the "name" field

hazy fog Apr 8, 2019, 7:09 PM

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yeah that's what I was going to say, you can't just know unless you have a lookup list of one or the other to compare against

storm wedge Apr 8, 2019, 7:11 PM

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thanks

frigid nova Apr 8, 2019, 7:15 PM

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def find_longest_substring(string, substring_list): 
    contained_substrings = [substring for substring in substring_list if substring in string]
    assert len(contained_substrings) > 0, "no substring found"
    return contained_substrings.sort(key=len, reverse=True)[0]```

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Undoubtedly not the fastest way, but there are few enough base items that it shouldn't matter

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Yes fair, I assume that there isnt inclusion, which is incorrect. In that case you can just return the largest found substring

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@earnest radish fixed my post

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Could do some better error handling to detect when there are two substrings which are both in the string and neither strictly contained in the other

queen oriole Apr 9, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Any news on an official oauth registration system? If there's going to be a turmoil/mayhem race next month I'd love to integrate oauth instead of using an IP system + google recaptcha to filter out bad actors from my zone tracker

mortal bone Apr 9, 2019, 2:54 AM

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just message @compact isle if you require basic user auth

queen oriole Apr 9, 2019, 3:23 AM

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i couldn't PM last time i tried

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gives a discord message that settings disallow it

hazy fog Apr 9, 2019, 3:24 AM

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maybe he doesn't allow pms from non registered discord accounts? maybe phone 2fa required? I dunno

queen oriole Apr 9, 2019, 3:24 AM

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i'll try 2 factor authing real quick then

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@polar island thanks and will do

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@compact isle whenever you're available, please message me so I can talk about possibly getting Oauth for my site

coral moon Apr 9, 2019, 5:40 AM

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anyone know why i cant place memory fragments?

rapid pagoda Apr 9, 2019, 6:04 AM

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@coral moon try asking in #1┃general, this isn't a 3rd party tool question

hazy fog Apr 9, 2019, 11:24 AM

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any folks with hideout sites here's the default haunted hideout export

📎 haunted.hideout

long edge Apr 9, 2019, 5:53 PM

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https://zedor.github.io/poeNexusBlocker/
how much should I contain the capabilities of the tool? should I look to account for challenge completion (length of path, connect to) and various similar things (like spawn weights, things that are harder to test and get proper sample sizes) basically expanding it into a nexus simulator, or keep it relatively simple as-is?
or is that a matter of personal preference

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im adding last spawn rules that i tested for, both reward and boss related, and visualization of boss spawns, but then all it comes down to is code cleanup and optimization so it looks nicer

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im afraid of going in to things that are much more complex while having dubious returns (nexus blocking itself has yet to be tested for efficiency anyways so effectiveness of the tool is limited)

frigid nova Apr 9, 2019, 8:17 PM

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I'm looking to take a crack and handcrafting a model to predict watcher's eyes prices. Does anyone here have all of the data for watcher's eyes posted since the start of Synthesis league?

If not does anyone know of an open source project which parses the river which I could set up on a vps to grab the data myself?

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Ideally I'd like all watchers eyes that have shown up for sale at any point in the league, as the one's that have disappeared are a much better representative of price than the ones that haven't sold yet

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fair, do you know of some lightweight river parser I can use to grab it myself?

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Do you have a concept of how much bandwidth it would take to parse the river from the start of Synthesis League?

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(order of magnitude)

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I see, that's a shame.

worthy cape Apr 9, 2019, 10:14 PM

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@frigid nova 348573750-360714321-340380017-391278531-368564817 from 2019-03-08T21:22:19Z

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(via the glorious search mechanism this channel has 😛 )

frigid nova Apr 9, 2019, 10:33 PM

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@worthy cape I appreciate it but it would seem I don't need it because the river doesn't contain sufficient data for what I'm looking for

storm wedge Apr 10, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Can anyone post ctrl-c data of item with both enchant and implicits? Trying to parse ctrlc data into object with javascript

velvet fog Apr 10, 2019, 8:44 AM

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you can get that from official trade site

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there is a 'copy item' button at left coner

steep latch Apr 10, 2019, 12:53 PM

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https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dev-survey-2019

Stack Overflow

Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2019

Nearly 90,000 took this comprehensive, annual survey of people who code. Demographics. Most loved, dreaded and wanted technologies. Salary and careers.

frigid nova Apr 10, 2019, 10:03 PM

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@earnest radish I believe he just took the data from the current listed items through the trade api

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If anyone who actively parses the river would be interested in starting a small side project with me to do some hand tailored models for small market price prediction hit me up. We would start with something like watcher's eyes and track all listings throughout the course of a league to gather enough data to make a reliable model.

compact isle Apr 11, 2019, 5:46 AM

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@queen oriole feel free to flick an email to roryv@grindinggear.com with your details / requirements

storm wedge Apr 11, 2019, 6:40 PM

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is there anywhre in ggpk info "uniq item name -- icon image for this unique"?

sly imp Apr 12, 2019, 2:56 AM

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cors.io is down. RIP me

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Time to learn how to do that

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But not right now probably cause it's getting late and I'm tired right now

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Tomorrow will be fun though

hazy fog Apr 12, 2019, 3:08 AM

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@fickle yew https://imgur.com/QOCu7D8source https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/bc8tjr/why_am_i_getting_rmt_ads_in_poeninja/

velvet fog Apr 12, 2019, 3:54 AM

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don't sure the site name is?

hazy fog Apr 12, 2019, 3:55 AM

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mathilShrug

velvet fog Apr 12, 2019, 3:56 AM

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well, if we don't have the site name, can't add it into blacklist.

fickle yew Apr 12, 2019, 5:42 AM

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@hazy fog Thanks I'll talk to my ad provider.

queen oriole Apr 13, 2019, 5:27 AM

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anyone by chance know why the ArcaneSurge GrantedEffect has an invalid/excluded ActiveSkillType of 32, even though it seems like most active skill gems with that type still works in game with it? Seems like the only thing in the GrantedEffect table that invalidates the 32 type, for now just manually excluding that type from support gem matching on arcane surge

velvet fog Apr 13, 2019, 7:19 AM

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ActiveSkillType of 32 is TriggerableSpell?

queen oriole Apr 13, 2019, 7:26 AM

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probably, it seems weird that it'd be in the invalid active skill types column for SupportArcaneSurge though

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i've been using it where if that ActiveSkillType was in the ActiveSkills row, you couldn't link it with that skill

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but it seems like that's not how it actually worked

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[ 33, 36, 26, 37, 32, 74 ] is in my invalid/excluded skill types column for ActiveSkillType id SupportArcaneSurge

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also, how do you normally track ActiveSkillType? there's no id in that dat file so any time they remove an index it completely shifts everything and I had to refigure out every type's new position. I used to have a mapping for each number to a definition but gave up when they refactored twice or something

timid hemlock Apr 13, 2019, 8:02 AM

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You know, there is an open source application that does handle the skill type stuff properly, mainly because the person who wrote it (Hi! :D) also wrote the current version of that code in the game itself

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I'll save you some time by pointing out this particular file:

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https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/Export/Scripts/skills.lua

GitHub

Openarl/PathOfBuilding

Offline build planner for Path of Exile. Contribute to Openarl/PathOfBuilding development by creating an account on GitHub.

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The last 3 types should give you a hint as to what the heckaroni is going on in Arcane Surge's types

woeful sphinx Apr 13, 2019, 8:10 AM

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That explains how you figured those out so quickly 😄

timid hemlock Apr 13, 2019, 8:11 AM

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🙃

queen oriole Apr 13, 2019, 9:10 AM

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@timid hemlock thank you very much, I guess I'll need to pull from the github from now on

simple ravine Apr 13, 2019, 5:55 PM

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local wellShitIGotThoseWrong = { 😂

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Openarl, I like your style.

warm adder Apr 14, 2019, 2:04 PM

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For using custom sounds in your filter, can i have multiple sounds for 1 item where there's a chance it will make this or that sound ?

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Like it's not always the same but changes

golden bane Apr 14, 2019, 2:05 PM

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No, that's not currently possible with the filter system

warm adder Apr 14, 2019, 2:05 PM

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what is this for then ?

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golden bane Apr 14, 2019, 2:06 PM

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You could detect file access to the sound files by a program and repeatedly swap them though

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You can have multiple sounds, but not for the same rule/item

warm adder Apr 14, 2019, 2:07 PM

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hmm because i could of sworn that when using the mathil sounds every time i dropped a unique i would get different sounds, not always the same one

golden bane Apr 14, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Must be different rules/categories of uniques then

warm adder Apr 14, 2019, 2:08 PM

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wierd, so only 1 sound for 1 item

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1 more question if i have a sound for a specific item and i have a sound for ''currency'' which sound will it choose?

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(the specific item is a chaos orb for example)

golden bane Apr 14, 2019, 2:09 PM

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If you'd like more variety, I'd suggest manually setting drop sounds for specific uniques or maybe unique item bases

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Depends on what's on top in the filter file

warm adder Apr 14, 2019, 2:09 PM

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i was more thinking of having different sounds for when i drop a chaos orb or alchemy

golden bane Apr 14, 2019, 2:09 PM

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It works on a fall-though basis, the first match it finds gets chosen

warm adder Apr 14, 2019, 2:11 PM

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okay let me go more in detail. So in filterblade you can choose a specific sound for an exalt for example, and then you can choose sound styles for frequently used sound and one of those are ''currency sounds'' which one of the sounds will it choose ?

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this

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so i have a specific sound for a chaos, or fusing but i also want to have a different sound for the rest of the currency items

golden bane Apr 14, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Idk, download the filter, search for both in the text file and find out what's on top of the other

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But I'd guess individual items go on top

warm adder Apr 14, 2019, 2:14 PM

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is there a way to change which items these ''styles'' effect ?

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OR make more styles

golden bane Apr 14, 2019, 2:16 PM

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I think you'd need to manually edit the filter for such advanced/complicated rules

warm adder Apr 14, 2019, 2:17 PM

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ugh each item individually ?

golden bane Apr 14, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Or make more styles/groups/whatever

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The wiki has good docs on it: https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Item_filter

Path of Exile Wiki

Item filter

Grinding Gear Games implemented Item filters into the Path of Exile UI so players can customize how the game client displays items on the ground. This feature remedies the time it takes to find useful / valuable items in game. For those who don't have experience with progra...

warm adder Apr 14, 2019, 2:18 PM

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i guess this could be a cool feature in the future then

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for the website

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but thanks anyway

golden bane Apr 14, 2019, 2:19 PM

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You're welcome

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BTW filterblade has it's own discord

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Could drop a suggestion there

warm adder Apr 14, 2019, 2:32 PM

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btw can i have spaces in between the cutomsound files?

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like chaos orb.mp3

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or does it have it be chaos_orb.mp3

golden bane Apr 14, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Yes, but generally, having spaces in file names is just asking for trouble

warm adder Apr 14, 2019, 2:33 PM

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i like causing trouble >:))

wind garden Apr 14, 2019, 6:26 PM

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@fickle yew Poe.Ninja api for currency is returning garbage data

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https://pastebin.com/UbWBRrX2

Pastebin

Possible Spam Detected

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exalted orb listed at 85c on synthesis.

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retrieved from https://poe.ninja/api/Data/currencyoverview?league=Synthesis&type=Currency

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Get'em while they're hot!

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looks like large scale price manipulation

grave wren Apr 14, 2019, 7:17 PM

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hm apparently poe.ninja eats fractured mods @fickle yew

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which also happens in the pobs from there

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fickle yew Apr 14, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Fun. I'll take a look at both.

queen oriole Apr 14, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Anyone by chance know how the game evaluates which buff to choose if you have multiple instances of a non-stacking buff? ie, someone has a level 21 hatred but is supported by a necromancer with level 1 hatred, would both technically apply/be active (since the level 21 is higher but the necro buff gives attack speed and stuff)? I thought about just taking the highest stat value between the two buffs and making them both active, but then I realized that wouldn't work for certain buffs like Sapped where the lower value should technically take priority (stronger saps = lower value for sapped_damage_+%_final). also in game, it'll show only one buff at a time (and generally the stronger one in the case of stuff like Rallying Cry). Not sure if there's a flag in the Stat.dat table to possibly say "prioritize lower values for buffs" or something like that.

frigid nova Apr 14, 2019, 8:48 PM

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To my knowledge: For auras it picks the one with the highest level, regardless of values of the stat. I don't know how it works for debuffs like Sapped.

queen oriole Apr 14, 2019, 8:50 PM

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@frigid nova so that means if you had a higher level buff than your necromancer, you wouldn't get the attack/cast speed bonuses per aura for that aura right?

frigid nova Apr 14, 2019, 8:50 PM

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I believe so, ill test in game right now

queen oriole Apr 14, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Thanks, I don't have a good way to multibox and test all this stuff in pvp. Still trying to perfect my buff evaluation for a lot of stuff

frigid nova Apr 14, 2019, 8:52 PM

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As a side note: I have a google doc which has begun to reverse engineer the buff.dat flags if youre interested in helping with that.

queen oriole Apr 14, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Sure, I can take a look. I've worked of mostly PyPoe's list for BuffDefinitions but maybe something I have is modified

queen oriole Apr 14, 2019, 10:23 PM

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alright aura effect > level > higher stats (by order of stat keys in BuffDefinition) is probably what's happening, unless level downscaling changed everything

velvet fog Apr 15, 2019, 1:50 AM

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any link for current work?

fickle yew Apr 15, 2019, 10:13 AM

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@grave wren Reprocessing builds with fractured mod support now. So they should show up later today.. o r maybe tomorrow.. It's reprocessing 100k+ chars through pob..

fickle yew Apr 15, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Wow apparently 360k pob builds that it's recalcuating.. Zzz.

grave wren Apr 15, 2019, 11:48 AM

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Rip raspberry pi

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templarLul

worthy cape Apr 15, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Just cloud all the things!

long edge Apr 15, 2019, 2:34 PM

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is openarl's list of mods here: https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/Data/3_0/ModItem.lua the complete list of mods that can show up on non-jewel equipment?

GitHub

Openarl/PathOfBuilding

Offline build planner for Path of Exile. Contribute to Openarl/PathOfBuilding development by creating an account on GitHub.

frigid nova Apr 15, 2019, 9:33 PM

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@long edge You can find all the data for the mods currently in the game here
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/brather1ng/RePoE/master/data/mods.json

long edge Apr 16, 2019, 3:52 AM

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thanks nick_

storm wedge Apr 16, 2019, 1:38 PM

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is it possible to parse enchant, implicits and explicits from ctrl+c item data without having ton of lists (like all helmets enchants list in all languages and so on?) i guess no, but maybe there are some tricks

grave wren Apr 16, 2019, 3:03 PM

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@fickle yew would be interesting to know avg stats for builds like processing time - https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Shantom17/Landscape_Apeiria?i=1&search=skill%3DMirror-Arrow%26sort%3Denergy-shield seems to not yet be updated btw

fickle yew Apr 16, 2019, 3:42 PM

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@grave wren it should be done. It might be missing from the actual frontend of the website actually. But isn't it included in pob now?

grave wren Apr 16, 2019, 3:44 PM

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That I can check in a bit. Gimme few minutes and I can check it.

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pob code is updated 👌

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fickle yew Apr 16, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Alright. I'll fix the frontend. That doesn't require a rebuild.

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Thanks for testing @grave wren

grave wren Apr 16, 2019, 5:58 PM

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templarthumbsup

pseudo ocean Apr 16, 2019, 7:50 PM

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is this the right place for noob ahk questions?

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soo.. i wrote a macro that is supposed to invite the last player in chat on scrolling down my mouse wheel (just for testing and getting familiar with AHK). The problem is that it works on all windows except for POE.

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and if i let it run only on poe window it doesn't work at all

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is there some command i have to use to make it work on this window or something?

fickle yew Apr 16, 2019, 8:27 PM

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@grave wren There you go https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Shantom17/Landscape_Apeiria?i=1&search=skill%3DMirror-Arrow%26sort%3Denergy-shield

frigid nova Apr 16, 2019, 8:28 PM

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@fickle yew Got any chance to add curses to count as supports for bane on poe.ninja/builds?

fickle yew Apr 16, 2019, 8:31 PM

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@frigid nova Yeah I'll take a look. Been a bit busy lately 😃

frigid nova Apr 16, 2019, 8:31 PM

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No rush 🙃

fickle yew Apr 16, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Vacation coming up though, hope I can catch up a bit.

pseudo ocean Apr 17, 2019, 2:51 PM

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someone here familiar with ahk programming?

grizzled seal Apr 17, 2019, 7:56 PM

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@fickle yew not sure why, but I just noticed poe.ninja is.. eating crafted mods somehow

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example: https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Hadrancs/FeelFreeToWhisp

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all of the mods shown on that bow are missing from the PoB import (it shows as a 2-mod bow), and they're also not factored in to the DPS calculation (16% of cold as extra chaos, but zero chaos in the DPS breakdown)

simple ravine Apr 17, 2019, 8:46 PM

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it needs to eat 😄

fickle yew Apr 17, 2019, 8:53 PM

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@grizzled seal already fixed. It's recalcing. Got lost the other day when I fixed fractured mods a bit too quickly.

violet path Apr 18, 2019, 12:41 AM

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anyone know what the ratelimits for websockets are on the trade website? @compact isle

cursive ferry Apr 18, 2019, 11:51 AM

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Hello, is there any way to know if the rolls from an item are either good or not? Regardless of the tier and the iLvl, as an example with a ring, if I get 30 maximum life but I know the maximum explicit roll you can have is 50 (made up max, not sure if this is the reality), I could get a fitness which tells me this item is 60% of the best possible roll.

long edge Apr 18, 2019, 12:18 PM

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@cursive ferry i suppose you can check the max by consulting the mod list (and adding up hybrid mods aswell case youre also taking them into account and not specific explicit-related values)

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checking https://raw.githubusercontent.com/brather1ng/RePoE/master/data/synthesis_implicits.json , is there a specific reason for the underscores ( _ ) appearing at the end of implicit names? for example "SynthesisImplicitLife4_" vs "SynthesisImplicitLife3"

worthy cape Apr 18, 2019, 12:35 PM

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@cursive ferry If you're trying to value something, you should note that mods are tiered and that you can spend divine orbs to reroll explicit values within a tier.

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There's some latent intrinsic value to a low top-tier roll vs. a high roll on a lower tier.

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Depending on the overall value of the thing of course, you don't divine a 3c ring, but you would probably divine the heck out of a few-mod 7exa chest.

storm wedge Apr 18, 2019, 4:09 PM

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i want to make file with each line:
<unique item name> <path to icon of this unique>

2 questions:

where in ggpk can i find this data?
is there an easy way to export ggpk data to text files like this? (atm i figured that i can select table in ggpk pypoe vggpk viever, select "copy" from context menu, then make new text file, paste there, then import this new text file as csv into mysql and run queries in mysql)

golden bane Apr 18, 2019, 4:51 PM

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@storm wedge https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE/issues/1#issuecomment-278979565

GitHub

Unique item data · Issue #1 · brather1ng/RePoE

Hey, TradeMacro dev here. Inspired by your little project here I thought maybe I could get the unique item data from the ggpk instead of scraping the poe wiki. I even thought about asking you if yo...

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However, unique item 2D art seems to be in ROOT/Art/2DItems/

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I guess it would be easier to use the wiki API instead though

storm wedge Apr 18, 2019, 5:01 PM

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thanks. are there at least item names in ggpk? idealy i want to have "translated" list to figure item icon url for non-english names (atm logic is: knowing uniq. name figure this uniq english name, knowing english name figure icon url) probably wiki has only english names, right?

golden bane Apr 18, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Some are named, some are named differently than ingame, some are numbered ¯_(ツ)_/¯

frigid nova Apr 18, 2019, 5:06 PM

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@storm wedge for translated lists you can use the official site api

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https://www.pathofexile.com/api/trade/data/items
https://es.pathofexile.com/api/trade/data/items

storm wedge Apr 18, 2019, 5:20 PM

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@frigid nova thanks, this looks like what i wanted

cursive ferry Apr 19, 2019, 10:01 PM

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thanks @long edge and @worthy cape , I was thinking of implementing a feature to tell if a rare was worth to buy but the complexity to get the answer is kind of high

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:20 PM

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contrary to popular belief, there's just too many permutations, and there's not enough data to cover all these permutations to a statistically significant degree, I would say

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especially considering you'd have to normalize, remove outliers etc, because the pricing data you have is solely going to be 'wanted price' and not 'sold for price'

rapid pagoda Apr 19, 2019, 11:25 PM

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anything that's based solely on API list prices will run into two big problems: 1) there's no way to distinguish between an item that's sold and an item that's removed because it didn't sell 2) items which do sell will disappear from the trade API quickly, items that don't sell will hang around longer

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:26 PM

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well, river

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you're going to need quite a bit of processing power

rapid pagoda Apr 19, 2019, 11:29 PM

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I don't think it's an issue of "processing power" per se -- more a matter of, we don't have the semantic information about what items actually get sold for what prices

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:30 PM

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hence my comments as well

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but if you take a position of assuming the normalized pricing is to some degree true

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you could infer a pricing model, especially when cross-matching different combinations

rapid pagoda Apr 19, 2019, 11:30 PM

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also, the trade API never sees items that get sold straight to vendor 😃

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:31 PM

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well, those aren't interesting anyway

rapid pagoda Apr 19, 2019, 11:31 PM

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so there's an implicit bias in the data

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:31 PM

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I think the second problem is solved by picking the market you want to analyze and keeping all data for a league. I think the first problem isn't that big of a deal, prediction can handle noisy data. The biggest worry, imo, is weeding out people intentionally abusing the data (unlisting and relisting the same item, and more sophisticated variants of that...)

I don't think the amount of data is that much of an issue -- you just need to build a model which isn't trying to generically analyze items naively living in a huge dimensional space indexed by all affixes. This is not outside of the realm of possibility.

Keep in mind many people price items based on the data on the market currently, clearly there is enough information there to derive somewhat accurate pricing schemes, regardless of whether items have sold or not.

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:34 PM

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the price structures come from combinations of modifiers with a synergy

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and there are an increasing amount of modifiers added to the game, and the amount of possible combinations is getting pretty big

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Undoubtedly, so trying to price all items in the game is daunting. But starting with small markets seems reasonable to me

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:36 PM

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this is what a human brain can do much more efficiently than a computer, making those assumptions

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:36 PM

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For example jewels should be very approachable - they have 4 total affixes and no crafted mods

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:37 PM

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and if you put your current knowledge into an algorithm, you're biasing it

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:37 PM

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Yes there is always a bias variance trade off isnt there

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You are correct that there is not enough data to just black box ML these problems. But building a biased model based on preconceptions should require less training time, data ,and more accurate predictions.

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:38 PM

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again, the amount of permutations vs items on the market is likely not enough, especially considering it's a temporal problem as well

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:39 PM

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has anyone tried to hand craft a model for a small market?

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:39 PM

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prices shift quickly in a league, same with jewels

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they are more valuable a bit later into the game, meanwhile quite cheap in the first couple of days

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:40 PM

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I don't think the temporal dimension is all that intimidating

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:40 PM

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right, i think you'll have to categorize things into specific synergy-categories

rapid pagoda Apr 19, 2019, 11:41 PM

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temporally speaking, very early on in a league prices are all over the place because the market is starved for currency

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:41 PM

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that could help a little bit, but far from solving the issue I think, considering there are combinations that pop up, and are deemed valuable due to new build ideas

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preconceptions would miss all of those items

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and that is where your algorithm to make a determination, as well

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Are we really that discouraged from mispredicting new trends as they appear? Why not just worry about mean prediction error

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:42 PM

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well, I can't speak for anybody else, but I would not treat a model very useful if it wasn't catching things I couldn't catch myself

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:42 PM

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A live model will react live to meta shifts, and there are ways to take existing league data and transition into new league information.

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:43 PM

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meta changes with new leagues

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like 3.7 will ~~clearly~~ likely have a bias towards melee for an example

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:43 PM

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I don't think that affects underlying prices nearly as much as people predict ,and like i said, you take old data as a starting point for the model and you heavily weight newly incorporated data.

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:44 PM

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that might invalidate quite a bit of the pricing structures from past leagues

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:44 PM

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The goal of the model is prediction not forecasting

rapid pagoda Apr 19, 2019, 11:44 PM

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and yeah, I feel like there is a lot of work to be done in terms of recognizing patterns of value on items

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:45 PM

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I mean, people have tried. I encourage people to try, but I am just stating my perspective of it

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:45 PM

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Has anyone tried with full data? not just currently listed river data

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:46 PM

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the one that's integrated with the AHK ItemInfo service... what's it called again?

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https://www.poeprices.info/

Poe Price Info - Path of Exile Item Price Check

A simple tool to price check your items in path of exile by copy and paste

rapid pagoda Apr 19, 2019, 11:46 PM

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that one is terrible

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(no offense meant to the author :P)

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:46 PM

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and they've, based on my knowledge, are the ones who've gotten farthest

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:47 PM

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I would really love a crack at this with jewels, but I would need someone who is actively parsing the river to collect all data on jewels. I don't have the money to set up a server for a whole league just to extract jewel information.

rapid pagoda Apr 19, 2019, 11:47 PM

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in my experience, it's decent at telling you what items are totally worthless, but not very good at judging value of anything else

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:47 PM

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It doesn't seem like they comment on their methodology anywhere?

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:48 PM

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they have, they're segmenting the MLs on base-type etc

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:48 PM

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link?

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:49 PM

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don't have it handy

rapid pagoda Apr 19, 2019, 11:49 PM

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the common pricing strategy of "list everything at 5c and see if anyone bites" is likely to become a pain point too

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:50 PM

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even if you would come somewhat close with jewels, I think it'd become exponentially harder with a chest piece or a ring

frigid nova Apr 19, 2019, 11:50 PM

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yet again i think the key is only using data of things that have dissapeared (aka not using a snapshot of the current river)

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you might be underestimating the number of affixes on jewels

rapid pagoda Apr 19, 2019, 11:50 PM

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have you seen the jewel DPS evaluator thing someone put together recently?

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:50 PM

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@frigid nova ok, sir

violet path Apr 19, 2019, 11:51 PM

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🍿

rapid pagoda Apr 19, 2019, 11:51 PM

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jewels are a bit easier in that they're generally only used for EHP and damage

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(rare jewels at least, uniques are another matter ofc)

violet path Apr 19, 2019, 11:56 PM

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i bet for a lot of basic rares you could combine the life+res value into some generic EHP value

simple ravine Apr 19, 2019, 11:56 PM

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is that interesting though?

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you could easily hack an evaluation method to do that in a day

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you wouldn't add much QoL with such app either way, as you still need to evaluate each item manually unless you don't care about the non-basic rares at all

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maybe i'm wrong... maybe people are looking for a thing that tells them "hey, this is worth more selling than vendoring, ship it in your 5c tab"

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the solution to true price prediction is very far from that, technically, so you wouldn't be "on your way to a better solution" when developing such solution

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hence my skepticism

frigid nova Apr 20, 2019, 12:48 AM

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Perhaps one day we can gather the appropriate data, set up some hand-tailored models and see. Until then its just speculation and me getting overly worked up about it 😃

rapid pagoda Apr 20, 2019, 5:16 AM

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@earnest radish Yeah, that's the one!

storm wedge Apr 20, 2019, 10:17 AM

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has anyone tried learning people, not items? i mean, if there is someone who puts many expensive items that disappear later (at least for a while so you can consider them sold, being used in some build and relisted by another person later), you can consider this player as experienced. and then you can parse all his listings to figure meta combinations etc. good thing that this "experience player detector" can be carryied from earlier leagues, right?

golden bane Apr 20, 2019, 10:59 AM

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As soon as the experienced player finds out they are being tracked, this would be wide open to manipulation. Consider that experienced players that craft for a profit are the most likely to manipulate the market in their favour.

storm wedge Apr 20, 2019, 11:12 AM

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how can they know?
"experience player" (in the way i used this word) is not label that will follow someone forever. but rather something like flag "this player put most expensive items in the past day, what did he do before?" it's more about the past, not about the future. kind of narrowing set of items that can be used as example
that's just some thoughts, idk how useful they can be

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however even if this idea will perfectly work, it can help only with top tier items (since sample criteris was "high price" in the first place)

storm wedge Apr 20, 2019, 2:29 PM

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is there anywhere a list of possible data you can get from official site?
so far i know about
pathofexile.com/api/trade/data/stats
pathofexile.com/api/trade/data/items

cursive ferry Apr 20, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Something I wish I could do to price a rare item (=> well, more like knowing if an item is useful or not) quit well would be to (somehow) use PoB with the templates from the top players your can find on poe.ninja. You could then "easily" tell if the item has a significant impact on the popular builds. At least it would make you quickly know if an item is either useless or useful I think. I really like poe.price but I wish there was a client side (some library anyone could run on their own computer) that will tell you quickly (matter of ms) is a item is useful or not

hazy fog Apr 20, 2019, 11:13 PM

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interesting idea but how do you decide which are the top build and which are outliers

rapid pagoda Apr 20, 2019, 11:14 PM

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clustering on the leaderboards I suppose

hazy fog Apr 20, 2019, 11:16 PM

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isn't the idea to replace a given item with your item to see how it compares? then you need the rest of the items, how do you then deicde just which build to take the items from?

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everyone gets as much damage as they can while getting enough hp and attributes and resist on all their gear pieces you can't combine 20 builds and say well their average ring has 34 fire res 42 lightning et... etc

storm wedge Apr 21, 2019, 8:36 AM

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so, i'm trying to build list (array of arrays) of all item bases on different languages
idea is that, for example en[100] and de[100] would contain text for the same item base.

i parsed https://(langcode).pathofexile.com/api/trade/data/items

but found a problem - different languages have different array length.

specificaly - in german it seems that Saintly Chainmail and Holy Chainmail translated by the same word (Heiliger Kettenpanzer) - i checked by trade search: https://de.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Synthesis/eGeJwsL
https://de.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Synthesis/E3XzmZS5

in json file "Heiliger Kettenpanzer" only listed once. this means i can't match translations the way i thought (by index)

any ideas how can i get what i want?

Path of Exile

Handel - Path of Exile

Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.

Path of Exile

Handel - Path of Exile

Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.

rapid pagoda Apr 21, 2019, 8:44 AM

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that sounds almost like a bug to me

storm wedge Apr 21, 2019, 9:23 AM

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items json is weird. in all languages except russian there are 2 entries for Titucius' Span (306 and 307)...

timid crest Apr 21, 2019, 9:23 AM

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i guess find out which specific items have the same translations and hardcode those ones?

storm wedge Apr 21, 2019, 9:25 AM

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yes, this is an option. i wanted to have something that builds this list automated though, to do this easily from time to time (every patch with new items)

timid crest Apr 21, 2019, 9:27 AM

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that shield seems to have been renamed at some point

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so most languages have both names

storm wedge Apr 21, 2019, 9:32 AM

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that explains, thanks. unfortunately, this means that every time any item will be renamed parsing should be checked again for possible new hardcoded exceptions...

wild solstice Apr 22, 2019, 3:03 AM

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what are blue and red nodes in Path of Building?

rapid pagoda Apr 22, 2019, 6:17 AM

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the colors appear when you select "show node power" -- red represents offensive power (boosts to DPS), blue represents defensive power (life, ES, armor/evasion/dodge/etc)

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the brightness of the color corresponds with the strength of the effect

storm wedge Apr 22, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Ctrl-c info usualy has "blocks" delimited by - - - - - - - -. But for fractured items with no other explicits what should be "explicit" block is the part of previous one. Does ingame ctrl-c acts the same (i checked trade site)? Do you think this is a bug?

pseudo ocean Apr 22, 2019, 10:39 AM

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since there isn't any technical other than this ->
I just noticed something, all the gateways are now using cloudflare so using winMTR isn't possible right now (to check your routing towards the actual gateway)
If you try and get an ip from ingame, it will just show you an proxy ip
so how are the users suppose to find out if the routing is their issue (ISP) or GGG now?
¯_(ツ)_/¯

simple ravine Apr 22, 2019, 11:32 AM

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trade-off though, between being able to handle DDoS attacks, or having non-critical features

pseudo ocean Apr 22, 2019, 12:21 PM

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yeah, but they should setup some dummy ip's with a different subnet but same location so people can still figure out their routing issues

simple ravine Apr 22, 2019, 2:24 PM

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that still opens up attack vectors

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and wouldn't be representative of the actual load or up/down-status of the realms

pseudo ocean Apr 22, 2019, 4:04 PM

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It will(would?) still be representative of the routing to the datacenter.

simple ravine Apr 22, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Yes, but a misrepresentation for the vast majority of users ,who don't even know what routing means

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Even if Amsterdam is closer to me, Frankfurt is normally better suited because of load

grave wren Apr 22, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Frankfurt is closer to me but Milan is was nicer templarthumbsup

long edge Apr 23, 2019, 11:42 AM

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who's the author of poeracing?

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(assuming he is here)

hazy fog Apr 23, 2019, 12:11 PM

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PepoHmm don't think he is

long edge Apr 23, 2019, 12:15 PM

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aight, ill utilize his feedback then

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thanks

woeful shard Apr 23, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Is there a Path of Exile rich discord presence third party program?

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Anyone know? marauderthinking

deft jolt Apr 23, 2019, 2:49 PM

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there's a couple, yeah

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One is called Exiled Presence and the other has a bit more generic name

woeful shard Apr 23, 2019, 2:50 PM

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thanks c:

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^^

pseudo ocean Apr 23, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Heya guys, any developers here who wouldn't mind me running some silly question by? General, any development. Game. Web. Software. I've got some questions I'd like to discuss re: setting up a DB that would be queryable based on an objects attributes. similarly to how PoB figures out, based on equipment, which nodes would be a offensive upgrade, defensive upgrade, or not an upgrade. Thanks in advance!

inner beacon Apr 24, 2019, 12:10 AM

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You can use headless pob to run an item through pob, not sure what you mean by database unless you mean running the entire trade api through pob then querying the results from that

simple ravine Apr 24, 2019, 12:26 AM

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That's a very big topic with not a lot of specifics... Not sure where to start, or exactly what you mean, @pseudo ocean

rapid pagoda Apr 24, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Node power is pretty straightforward. PoB calculates what your character's stats would be if the node was allocated. Offensive power is DPS, defensive power is some composite of life, ES, and various defenses -- not sure on the details

inner beacon Apr 24, 2019, 3:24 AM

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@pseudo ocean u made me inspire myself to build a lil demo that feeds the poe trade api through pob

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pseudo ocean Apr 24, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Thats awesome man, I totally want that functionality haha!

hazy fog Apr 24, 2019, 3:25 AM

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PepoHmm

inner beacon Apr 24, 2019, 3:30 AM

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there's no way I could ever make this a public website a fairly simple build has a throughput of 24 items/second with a threadripper 2950X

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maxing all cores on a*

velvet fog Apr 24, 2019, 4:35 AM

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headless pob? how to obtain it?

chrome topaz Apr 24, 2019, 4:37 AM

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https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/HeadlessWrapper.lua

GitHub

Openarl/PathOfBuilding

Offline build planner for Path of Exile. Contribute to Openarl/PathOfBuilding development by creating an account on GitHub.

worthy cape Apr 24, 2019, 9:25 AM

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I wonder how bad headless PoB would run on the Knight's Landing nodes... 272-some Atom-like SMT4 threads... I don't suppose that PoB can leverage AVX-512? 😛

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I once threw one of those nodes at a chess engine once. Did about as well as a single consumer GTX 1080.

wind garden Apr 24, 2019, 8:32 PM

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The last KL system I used was quite slow

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But it might have been underclocked

worthy cape Apr 24, 2019, 10:03 PM

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They're generally meh, particularly if you have any form of serial code.

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Ours are pretty much unused now and no-one wants to target them for development.

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The nice thing about not knowing which product lines that Intel intend to murder 😃

velvet gate Apr 24, 2019, 11:08 PM

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How would you avoid hitting the rate limit when making requests? Is it as simple as putting a delay in your code between each call or is there a better way?

frigid nova Apr 24, 2019, 11:08 PM

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If youre making xhr requests the respone header contains the rate limit and your current status both by ip and account. I believe this is in the pinned information

velvet gate Apr 24, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Yeah I see what the rate limit is I'm wondering how to avoid hitting it

velvet gate Apr 24, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Ah thanks

fathom spruce Apr 25, 2019, 12:11 AM

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https://pypi.org/project/ratelimit/ this for python is pretty nifty, used it before for APIs

PyPI

ratelimit

API rate limit decorator

elfin flume Apr 25, 2019, 3:23 AM

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@velvet gate - In NodeJS I used either Lodash debounce or velvet module - think debounce worked best though.

inner beacon Apr 25, 2019, 1:00 PM

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https://www.npmjs.com/package/bottleneck I like this for NodeJS because it has clustering support.

npm

bottleneck

Distributed task scheduler and rate limiter

fathom spruce Apr 25, 2019, 2:40 PM

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I had a terrible idea last night. Hook headless PoB up to the trade api stream and throw it into a generic algorithm to make the "best" (most dps) build for a given skill gem

simple ravine Apr 25, 2019, 2:50 PM

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I think that br4ther1ng'/emmit's code could be a better fit for that once it's modularized a bit further

woeful sphinx Apr 25, 2019, 3:56 PM

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We even have a generic algorithm for skill tree optimization already (not connected to our computation engine yet)

quick wedge Apr 25, 2019, 6:11 PM

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is there a good app for quickly transferring stuff from one tab to another during trade etc?

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or tool*

hazy fog Apr 25, 2019, 6:20 PM

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nop

fathom spruce Apr 25, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Nice

frigid nova Apr 25, 2019, 9:31 PM

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I've got a rough draft of some stand-alone javascript code I wrote to take fetches from the official trade api and render them as the official trade website does. Would anyone be interested in a module like that?

grizzled seal Apr 27, 2019, 10:52 AM

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@deft jolt poe.watch is your site, right? I think the end date listed for synthesis is a month off (wiki says june 3, not july 3)

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relevant (better) source: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2484587 (bex says June 4th 10AM NZDT)

Path of Exile

Forum - Announcements - What We're Working On - Path of Exile

Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.

lethal flume Apr 27, 2019, 10:58 AM

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http://api.pathofexile.com/leagues?type=main&compact=1

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Their api says july, probably the reason.

grizzled seal Apr 27, 2019, 10:59 AM

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I choose to believe the API is wrong >:[

lethal flume Apr 27, 2019, 10:59 AM

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Yeah

deft jolt Apr 27, 2019, 12:53 PM

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Huh, that's weird

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@compact isle Can you check the above? Poe league api has incorrect end date for synthesis

graceful fable Apr 27, 2019, 5:11 PM

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So today I had this idea to create a tool that reads your stash tabs, looks for fractured items and then combines all of them in every possible way to generate all possible outcomes and allows you to search them for specific mods.

However I failed quite hard because it's taking really long to compute the item permutations, even with multithreading.
Just my 44 fractured chest items are over 80.000 possible combinations which takes like 30 minutes to compute.

I guess there is a faster way to do this, maybe someone cleverer than me wants to pick up on that idea.

grave wren Apr 27, 2019, 5:12 PM

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I'd cull all items with non interesting mods

graceful fable Apr 27, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Well the code that I wrote doesn't really know what a "mod" is, it's just text for it.
What I did was download the .json with the synthesis mods from poedb.tw and create regex patterns from then and match them directly against the mod list from the poe stash api.

chrome topaz Apr 27, 2019, 5:22 PM

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80k shouldn't take 30 minutes that's for sure

simple ravine Apr 27, 2019, 5:22 PM

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I made a crafting simulator that did 100000 iterations a second. Strange that it'd take so long

chrome topaz Apr 27, 2019, 5:26 PM

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also wouldn't it be 13k combinations not 80k?

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how I'd do this is assign every "mod template" a unique integer (could be done dynamically at runtime), so e.g. "+# to Accuracy Rating" would be mod 1; then for every item, parse its mods into a list of (mod_id, mod_value) so if an item has "+123 to Accuracy Rating" it would be parsed as (1, 123), make sure it's sorted; then bruteforce all combinations (for your case that would be C(44, 3) = 13k) and calculate possible mods by summing just with a single linear loop (since mods are sorted)

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btw I had no idea how synthesis works before reading this wiki page 5 minutes ago so dunno if this makes sense

worthy cape Apr 27, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Not knowing "what a mod is" is actually beneficial as IIUIC it's counting modified numbers regardless of source, so if you have multiple things on an item doing +maxlife, they all count together.

grave wren Apr 27, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Are there any semi reliable tools that can create an outline/table of contents out of a pdf you know? My best idea yet is to try to find a tool transforming a pdf to any tree like structure that contains font information and then try to cluster by font size.

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Kinda ot but why not ask here templarthumbsup

crisp geyser Apr 27, 2019, 7:42 PM

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is the lutbot script using /Exit or something else to get to main loginscreen?

chrome topaz Apr 27, 2019, 7:48 PM

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it kills your tcp connection

worthy cape Apr 27, 2019, 7:50 PM

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You can squint at the impl at http://lutbot.com/ahk/lite.ahk

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Seems to leverage CurrPorts' command line interface?

frigid nova Apr 27, 2019, 8:00 PM

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@graceful fable care to share your code?

graceful fable Apr 28, 2019, 2:03 AM

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@frigid nova It's not really ready yet, but the suggestion from @chrome topaz really helped. I removed the multithreading and it's so much faster now doing it linearly.

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graceful fable Apr 28, 2019, 2:40 AM

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By the way, does anyone know if there's a library that can parse the input of item mods (for example +(8 to 10) to maximum Life) and return the corresponding Mod ID and the values? So +(8 to 10) to maximum Life would evaluate to SynthesisImplicitLife1 with values ( 8 and 10).

I'm currently using raw text search with regex to match mods to their "ids" but that doesnt really work on all mods.

Is pypoe maybe capable of doing that?

graceful fable Apr 28, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Thanks for that link, but I saw that earlier already and as far as I understood it generates json files from specific data from the content.ggpk, right? But it doesn't actually do the conversion from the mod to the mod_id, does it?

frigid nova Apr 28, 2019, 5:51 AM

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@graceful fable note the mapping from mod_ids to stats is many-to-one

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if youre restricting to synthesis implicits the mapping might be one-to-one, as @polar island pointed out all the data needed to construct this mapping is in repoe (stat_translations, synthesis_implicits, mods)

graceful fable Apr 28, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Yep I'm on it 😄

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frigid nova Apr 28, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Feel free to pm me if you have any questions! 😃

graceful fable Apr 28, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Sure, thanks alot 😄

naive condor Apr 28, 2019, 6:09 AM

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where do i go search for tools, that can help me autoreply Thanks!, click hideout etc?

graceful fable Apr 28, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Check MercuryTrade

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https://github.com/Exslims/MercuryTrade

GitHub

Exslims/MercuryTrade

An overlay application for Path of Exile(Tracking, Trading, Chat, etc) - Exslims/MercuryTrade

tribal mist Apr 28, 2019, 8:32 AM

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MP: why did removing the multithreading speed it up? If it’s because of lock synchronisation, prebatching the processing and only syncing up infrequently (every few seconds or so) might be faster.

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 8:40 AM

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@graceful fable put t that on GitHub and I can give you a c# code review

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 1:02 PM

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@simple ravine I took a peek at your C# lib for interface inspiration a while ago... it's one of the more readable C# codebases I've seen 😛

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(my Rust interface doesn't look like it, of course, went way more low-level)

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 1:02 PM

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there are 2 versions of it

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check branch new for a more simplified one (not done yet)

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I'm going to convert it to .NET Core 3 for everything so I can optimize away some of the .NET Framework stuff, meaning more concise code and perf

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 1:22 PM

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@worthy cape do you have your code on github? always wanted to take a little peek at Rust

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 1:33 PM

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@simple ravine https://gitlab.com/zao/poe-rs

GitLab

Lars Viklund / poe-rs

GitLab.com

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Currently smashing my face against .arm files, there's a lot of variations on them.

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Usual caveats apply, first pass implementation so it's not overly idiomatic or nice 😃

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Rust syntax makes my head explode lol

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you using OS MemoryMaps?

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Yeah.

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 1:38 PM

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I tried using MemoryMaps, and in Windows it allocated all the memory until I released the memory map, but on linux it was nicer

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Used files for a while, but it was rather error-prone with all the seeking.

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 1:38 PM

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If you go look at the actual allocation

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 1:41 PM

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I get something like 50 megs private, few hundred megs working set, 22G virt.

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Which is perfectly fine, as it's backed by the file.

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 1:41 PM

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yeah, that's a problem 😄

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oh hmm

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well, my new way of reading it hierarchically got pretty fast actually

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building up the tree immediately, rather than reading all the records then reconstructing the tree

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 1:43 PM

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With a hot cache, I spent something like 9 seconds to build my scaffolding.

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This time around I went for hitting the file on the fly, exposing raw offsets to the caller as "unique id" of the entry.

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Didn't profile why I'm having that cost, but I'd like to be able to use my library in one-off programs like poecat and poels.

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 1:45 PM

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my library's intended purpose will be my 'overlay' program later on, which will be a replacement for PoeItemInfo/PoeTradeMacro and MercuryTrade

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with a bit more richer info and UI

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and use the actual GGPK/DAT information for the item data

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Goal I'm working slooowly toward currently is 3D hideout viewer.

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Sounds nice.

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Not that I need my project for anything in particular, but it's a great driving force in learning the language and libs.

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Yeah

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For mine, it takes 88 ms to open tthe GGPK and then get the Data folder files

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like so:

            var ggpk = new GgpkFileSystem(ggpkPath);
            var dataFolderFiles = ggpk.Directories["Data"].Files;

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worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Ah, right, you're incrementally populating the tree.

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I've got a hard time with that as interior mutability is hard.

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 1:55 PM

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well it just stores the pointers

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finds the root and gives you the pointer to the first directory

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this way, initial load will be fast enough for a desktop appllication

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and a desktop application like this likely will never need the entire tree anyway, just a small fraction of the 300,000+ files in the ggpk

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 2:00 PM

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I toyed with the idea to have an acceleration cache, that had pre-parsed the structure of the GGPK.

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But that blew up as I couldn't tell when the file had changed, might've been able to rely on the 32-byte digest-thing of the root.

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One nice thing about Rust tests is that they run in parallel. One less nice thing about my cache logic was that it raced hard 😄

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(had used disk-backed sqlite3 with insufficient transactions)

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 2:05 PM

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hehe

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476383 files in GGPK
Opened in 3035.6666 ms

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(OS cached GGPK)

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full enumeration in 3 secs isn't that bad on a cached ggpk?

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Same magnitude as I had, so fine.

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Must be nice for you to be in a world where UTF-16LE is the text encoding.

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I've got UTF-8 and a lot of conversion 😃

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(beats C++)

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Some C# can actually beat C++ nowadays because of super-smart JITing etc

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if you write it properly... obviously takes some computoring knowledge, but possible

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And obviously not for all cases, but some

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 2:09 PM

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The primary reason I don't do C# is that I hung too much around the SlimDX people 😃

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 2:10 PM

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I wouldn't know who those are

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but if you feel inclined to become indoctrinated with some proper C# sometime, let me know 😄

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 2:11 PM

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.NET bindings for D3D9-11, went rather deep into working C# and C++/CLI without excessive GC churn and making the runtime tick.

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 2:12 PM

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I spoke with Tanner Gooding, whose on the corefx team

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He said he wanted to make all the DX stuff work properly in C# natively. We'll see how that'll turn out once they get to it

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but that'd be pretty cool

worthy cape Apr 28, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Do you have decent SIMD yet?

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That was a major pain point back then.

simple ravine Apr 28, 2019, 2:15 PM

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yes, even specific hardware intrinsic if you'd like

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but there are also higher-level SIMD operations using Vector<T>

storm wedge Apr 28, 2019, 5:32 PM

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i'm checking items json for french language and found thing that i don't understand:
Sacrifice \u00e0 minuit (in json) --> Sacrifice à minuit (in browser)
but
Sacrifice \u00e0\u00a0midi (in json) --> Sacrifice à midi (in browser)
why \u00e0\u00a0 transforms into "à "?

woeful sphinx Apr 28, 2019, 5:34 PM

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\u00a0 is a non-breaking space

storm wedge Apr 28, 2019, 5:35 PM

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thanks. my bad, thought it's doubled 00e0 (idk why, maybe tired)

compact isle Apr 29, 2019, 12:32 AM

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@deft jolt the times on the league API are sometimes off, we just fix them before it becomes relevant

compact isle Apr 29, 2019, 4:56 AM

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@velvet fog @queen oriole sent emails out with OAuth deets, sorry for the delay

velvet fog Apr 29, 2019, 5:35 AM

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thanks

velvet fog Apr 30, 2019, 1:39 AM

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POB will be localized into Korean?

bleak valley Apr 30, 2019, 6:22 PM

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questions does anyone know how to bind a key to make a photo pop up. like presing f8 and i can get the pic of where fossils and who does what in syndicate

mortal bone Apr 30, 2019, 7:24 PM

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I use sharex which has a boat load of features like that

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pressing Print Screen or Alt + Print Screen will copy a screenshot to your clipboard

grave wren Apr 30, 2019, 8:42 PM

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i think he wants it the other way

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e.g. betrayal cheat sheet on f8

worthy cape Apr 30, 2019, 8:54 PM

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I printed my cheat sheet for Betrayal after getting tired of having it on the other screen.

jade adder May 1, 2019, 3:07 PM

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technically pressing print screen by default copies a screenshot to your clipboard

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windows snipping tool is pretty nice for me

simple ravine May 1, 2019, 3:09 PM

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alt-gr + print screen for active window as well

hazy fog May 1, 2019, 3:17 PM

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could swear someone already wrote a ahk script to do that

grave wren May 1, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Win shift s for snipping shortcut but it sometimes breaks

hazy fog May 1, 2019, 5:36 PM

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noone is asking for snipping he wants to press a hotkey and have a chart be displayed facepunch

jade adder May 1, 2019, 5:46 PM

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yeah it was a tangent

brittle oasis May 1, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Not exactly tool dev but if you guys had a 3D printer what would you print PoE related?

hazy fog May 1, 2019, 9:39 PM

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@bleak valley ☝

worthy cape May 3, 2019, 10:27 AM

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We already banned popsicle sticks. I really don't want to ban rubber bands too.

storm wedge May 3, 2019, 2:20 PM

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can i figure from mods.json (repoe) what mods are excluding each other?

hazy fog May 3, 2019, 2:24 PM

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don't believe so

woeful sphinx May 3, 2019, 2:52 PM

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@storm wedge you can. the main one is group: mods with the same group exclude each other. there's also adds_tags, which interacts with the spawn weights. see https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE/blob/master/docs/mods.md for more info.

storm wedge May 3, 2019, 2:54 PM

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but for example, incursion temple mod (weapon flat ele dmg+pen) and jun pen. craft have differrent types. does this mean i can craft ele pen on temple item?

woeful sphinx May 3, 2019, 2:55 PM

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@polar island i think increase stats with the same id are additive. not sure if stats with different ids can be additive, probably yes if they resolve to the same stat when evaluating the condition.

storm wedge May 3, 2019, 2:55 PM

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temple: LocalColdDamageAndPen; jun: LocalAttackReduceEnemyElementalResistance

woeful sphinx May 3, 2019, 2:58 PM

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you probably can. i don't know of anything else that would influence it

regal hazel May 4, 2019, 11:13 PM

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does any1 has a nice sheet for investments?

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like where i can put how much sextants used etc?

earnest ledge May 5, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Anyone know why I get this error when I try to run RePoE

PyPoE.poe.file.specification.errors.SpecificationError: <ERRORS.RUNTIME_ROWSIZE_MISMATCH: 3002>: "GrantedEffects.dat": Specification row size 93 vs real size 94

https://pastebin.com/siF0FCR8

Pastebin

C:\Users\pawkets\Documents\Scripts\RePoE>C:\Python37-64\python ReP...

velvet fog May 5, 2019, 4:19 AM

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because it depends on PyPoe that is out of date for recent version

earnest ledge May 5, 2019, 7:32 AM

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ah ok, thank you

stuck reef May 5, 2019, 12:31 PM

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qq, does PoB have a way to handle the Arcane Surge from Arcane Blessing/Ascendant->Heirophant, or should I just tack a L1 gem to the end of the link to simulate it?

golden bane May 5, 2019, 1:01 PM

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@stuck reef If the text is red, the mod is unsupported. Just tack it on

stuck reef May 5, 2019, 1:07 PM

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kk thanks ^_^

inner beacon May 5, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Is it legal to use the poe stash api commercially? I can't find info on it.

simple ravine May 5, 2019, 2:33 PM

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commercially how?

worthy cape May 5, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Some sort of trade or other QoL site with paid accounts/donations for the site?

inner beacon May 5, 2019, 3:23 PM

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I don't know how yet, not there yet. I just know that the tool I'm working on eats way too much cpu to be supported on ads.

waxen kernel May 5, 2019, 3:48 PM

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are there any decent gem planners out there like https://poecraft.com/gemplanner used to do?

Poecraft | Gem Planner

Gem planning tool for Path of Exile. Plan out where all your gems will go in your equipment.

golden bane May 5, 2019, 9:42 PM

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@waxen kernel You can do that in PoB just fine

waxen kernel May 5, 2019, 11:14 PM

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@golden bane PoB can tell me where I get each gem?

hazy fog May 6, 2019, 12:20 AM

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don't think so

golden bane May 6, 2019, 4:00 AM

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@waxen kernel I'm sorry, I missunderstood your question. Recently, I made a website that offers such functionality, as long as you use PoB alongside it: http://cinnabarit.pythonanywhere.com

PoE Leveling Helper

Path of Exile Leveling Helper

waxen kernel May 6, 2019, 1:27 PM

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@golden bane awesome thanks, I will try that out

delicate ore May 8, 2019, 7:19 PM

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@velvet fog on this page, can you add a column for the item that the mod appears on? https://poedb.tw/us/mod.php

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better than clicking each item page individually

ashen plank May 8, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Does Poe-Trademacro reads Memory? or how does he gets the informations out?

golden bane May 8, 2019, 11:37 PM

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@ashen plank You copy the items you want price-checked to your clipboard with Ctrl+C. Reading from memory would be against the TOS

ashen plank May 8, 2019, 11:38 PM

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But how does he checks where my mouse is on?

golden bane May 8, 2019, 11:38 PM

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AHK https://www.autohotkey.com/

AutoHotkey

Free keyboard macro program. Supports hotkeys for keyboard, mouse, and joystick. Can expand abbreviations as you type them (AutoText).

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No need to check mouse positions from in-game, you can do that through OS APIs

ashen plank May 8, 2019, 11:44 PM

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i dont get the point how he really gets the informations^^

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ctrl + c on item gets item stats on your clipboard... so ctrl + c can get chararacter information if you do it on you char too? if you add the code ofc

golden bane May 8, 2019, 11:55 PM

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I don't think I understand your question

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What character information are you talking about?

ashen plank May 9, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Its ok, my bad english^^ do you mabye know, whats the name of the Function is, in trademacro? Where he gets the Informations to Clipboard.. to much Code to find it^^

golden bane May 9, 2019, 12:16 AM

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https://github.com/aRTy42/POE-ItemInfo/blob/master/resources/ahk/POE-ItemInfo.ahk#L864

GitHub

aRTy42/POE-ItemInfo

Item Info Script for Path of Exile. Contribute to aRTy42/POE-ItemInfo development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Strg+F > "clipboard"

rapid pagoda May 9, 2019, 1:16 AM

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@ashen plank Pressing Ctrl+C while hovering over an item copies item information to the clipboard. This is a core functionality of Path of Exile, not one that's added by AHK or AHK scripts

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What scripts like PoE Item/Trade Macro do is add extra behaviors after this information is copied to the clipboard, like parsing the item text to determine mods and displaying it on screen.

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But if you press Ctrl+C in PoE, then open Notepad and paste, you'll see what it's working with

ashen plank May 9, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Ok thank you very much! thats what i wanted to know.. never testet it without trademacro lol...

worthy cape May 9, 2019, 1:15 PM

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The other place you can legitimately get information out of PoE is parsing the Client.txt log file for area transitions, chat, etc.

ashen plank May 9, 2019, 1:25 PM

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yeah, i saw that too from labcompass, very interessting how many informations you can get out without memory reading ^^ Is somewhere a List of the possibilities getting Informations without Memory read?

golden bane May 9, 2019, 1:54 PM

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From the top of my head: clipboard, Client.txt, ladder API, character API, public stash tab API, OCR (pls don't)

earnest ledge May 9, 2019, 8:35 PM

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OCR is allowed?

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I can see the argument both ways but I always thought it wasn't. or that they had never explicitly allowed it

golden bane May 9, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Yes, but it's usefulness is very limited as you cannot take action on what you OCR'd (otherwise it would obviously be gameplay automation), only display information to the user. Probably not worth the effort in >99% of all use cases

earnest ledge May 9, 2019, 8:39 PM

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right, I get that

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but you could, for example, have a script that would alert the user if it detected they were in a reflect map

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with some limited reliability

golden bane May 9, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Yeah, you could very well do that

frigid nova May 9, 2019, 8:40 PM

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It would be nice to see someone take an open source OCR package and tune it properly to read map mods reliably

golden bane May 9, 2019, 8:40 PM

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With the user configuring game window resolution/position and language

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However, I think it would be much easier to have the player Ctrl+C maps to the clipboard and analyze that instead

earnest ledge May 9, 2019, 8:42 PM

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yeah thats the only application of OCR I can think of that would actually be pretty useful. and I imagine doing OCR on a known font, with relatively little noise, would be pretty accurate

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If the player is conscious enough to ctrl+c every map before they put it in Im not sure they'd need to be warned of anything

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at that point you can just use stash search to find certain mods, which would probably be more efficient

frigid nova May 9, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Ctrl+C will not display sextants, scarabs, and the like.

earnest ledge May 9, 2019, 8:44 PM

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also true. and zana maps

golden bane May 9, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Good points from both of you

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OCR could prevent false positives from reflect map + anti reflect sextant

earnest ledge May 9, 2019, 8:47 PM

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unfortunately such a tool is less useful now that you can hide the map mods, you'd have to have them always showing for it to work

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which can be a bit annoying

cloud flint May 10, 2019, 6:44 AM

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hello, anyone from ggg here please? I need to ask a question about a tool I've made

uncut raft May 10, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Btw. Just ask the question. Youre probably not super likely to just get a specific GGG response. If anyone else can answer the question they will or if someone from GGG can answer it theyll see it.

cloud flint May 10, 2019, 6:49 AM

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it's a license question, I don't want to share the tool unless I'm sure it's ok with GGG licenses

uncut raft May 10, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Might have a go with emailing support.

cloud flint May 10, 2019, 7:00 AM

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ty

cloud flint May 10, 2019, 5:34 PM

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fyi, I've published a simple static web page which is showing a calendar of the currently running leagues: https://poe-leagues-calendar.gitlab.io/. It's using the PoE API, so it's only showing what's availlable in the API. It's completly free ofc. You can find more informations there: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/bn0ot6/poe_leagues_calendar/

r/pathofexile - PoE leagues calendar

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queen oriole May 10, 2019, 6:03 PM

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anyone wanna help last minute test some changes i've made to the race zone tracker?

graceful fable May 11, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Hey guys, I try to use the poe-racing overlay but it can't find my character.
I'm playing in Flashback Softcore SSF and have selected the correct league when downloading the script, but it just says "Could not find: ..."

wise tinsel May 11, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Still isn't changed in PoB, not that people care, but next league they might do.

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pseudo ocean May 11, 2019, 2:58 PM

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is poe trademacro updated for the event?

violet path May 11, 2019, 2:59 PM

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no, but there is a fix here https://github.com/PoE-TradeMacro/POE-TradeMacro/issues/970 to get flashback leagues to show up

GitHub

No option to select Flashback league in settings · Issue #970 · ...

v2.14.1 To fix it modify TradeMacro\resources\ahk\TradeMacroInit.ahk: Remove TradeFunc_CheckIfCloudFlareBypassNeeded() from line 143 and put in on line 137 so it looks like this: ; } TradeFunc_Chec...

pseudo ocean May 11, 2019, 3:01 PM

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AIT TY

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caps

earnest ledge May 13, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Wondering if anyone who has more experience with datamining can give some advice here. I recently started using datamined gem tags to determine whether I should list the 'speed' stat from PoB as "attacks/sec" or "casts/sec":
https://github.com/aggixx/PoBPreviewBot/commit/21822f182bb7fc592dbfdcdcaa56500a674bb8c2

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Ideally, I would like to do the same thing with minion skills. However, the skills minions use are not gems and are not in RePoE's gems.json

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As far as what I have to work with, this is what PoB XML gives me to work with:

            <Gem enableGlobal1="true" enableGlobal2="false" enabled="true" gemId="Metadata/Items/Gems/HeraldOfAgony" level="21" nameSpec="Herald of Agony" quality="20" skillId="HeraldOfAgony" skillMinion="HeraldOfAgonySpiderPlated" skillMinionCalcs="`" skillMinionSkill="2" skillMinionSkillCalcs="1" />

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So I have what is, as far as I can tell, a unique identifier of some sort for the minion. I do not have a unique ID for the minions skill, but I guess if I could find that monster HeraldOfAgonySpiderPlated it would be its skill with an index of 2? or 1?

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but I'm not sure where I can find info on this HeraldOfAgonySpiderPlated. And this is just for example's sake, ideally it would support all minions (Raise Spectre being especially complicated)

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Id guess its in some monster data that isn't exported in RePoE?

earnest ledge May 13, 2019, 1:51 AM

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in theory I could definitely get that info from PoB's data files
https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/Data/3_0/Skills/minion.lua#L783
but that seems like a less than ideal solution

GitHub

Openarl/PathOfBuilding

Offline build planner for Path of Exile. Contribute to Openarl/PathOfBuilding development by creating an account on GitHub.

earnest ledge May 13, 2019, 2:25 AM

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Messing with PyPOE, I think I see how I can export spectre data and minion skill data. Not sure about minions themself yet (eg HeraldOfAgonySpiderPlated)

earnest ledge May 13, 2019, 2:54 AM

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looking through PoB source trying to find some clues as to where it would be , the only mention of HeraldOfAgonySpiderPlated in exporting is here
https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/blob/c2de224a278867da4c82c8341062d99ca7a575b6/Export/Skills/act_dex.txt#L492
But I can't find the code that datamines the minions in minionList

worthy cape May 13, 2019, 8:50 AM

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I had a very productive weekend. Managed to parse all my v14 and v15 .arm files to the end. Struggling a bit with v16's apparently arbitrary sequence of trailing numbers, but damn this is fun to do.

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Much easier to start with old versions than to go for the v29 hideouts I started with.

velvet fog May 13, 2019, 12:19 PM

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any document or code could be shared?

worthy cape May 13, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@velvet fog I try to document as I go, but a lot is in gasp analogue form on inked paper 😃

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https://gitlab.com/zao/poe-rs/blob/master/spec/arm.md
https://gitlab.com/zao/poe-rs/blob/master/src/arm/mod.rs

GitLab

spec/arm.md · master · Lars Viklund / poe-rs

GitLab.com

GitLab

src/arm/mod.rs · master · Lars Viklund / poe-rs

GitLab.com

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A lot of the effort spent has been on getting my GGPK library into enough shape that I can brute-force apply a parser to all 18k ARM files easily to rapidly test it.

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Probably a bit overkill understanding all ARM files if all I actually need is the hideouts, but hey, it's a challenge.

velvet fog May 13, 2019, 3:07 PM

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thanks

eternal crescent May 13, 2019, 8:05 PM

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hmm hypothetically, if one was to make a macro that picked up all of the perandus coins with one buttonclick per perandus coin drop

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would that be against ToS?

grave wren May 13, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Yes

hazy fog May 13, 2019, 8:12 PM

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one server action <-> one user action

eternal crescent May 13, 2019, 8:31 PM

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o what i meant was, lets say that i have a htokey bound to like k

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every time i press k it scrolls over and picks up one of the stacks of coins

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so i just have to spam k to pick up the whole pile instead of click on each one individually

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so one press of k = one mouseclick for server

grave wren May 13, 2019, 8:45 PM

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still not one user action

quick wedge May 14, 2019, 4:37 PM

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anyone who could help me get trade macro to show flashback prices instead of synthesis?

worthy cape May 14, 2019, 4:48 PM

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@quick wedge Answered earlier - https://github.com/PoE-TradeMacro/POE-TradeMacro/issues/970

GitHub

No option to select Flashback league in settings · Issue #970 · ...

v2.14.1 To fix it modify TradeMacro\resources\ahk\TradeMacroInit.ahk: Remove TradeFunc_CheckIfCloudFlareBypassNeeded() from line 143 and put in on line 137 so it looks like this: ; } TradeFunc_Chec...

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If you're uncomfortable editing the files, one of the later comments link a modified file.

shrewd wagon May 14, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Is poedb down?

worthy cape May 14, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Seems so from here.

livid fable May 15, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Posting my question here at the advice of Faust.

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It's really more of a math question than a tool question, but it's the basis of what I'll need to create a tool down the road so I need to know how to proceed.

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I'll repost my little essay that may include needless exposition because yall are familiar with PoE

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For reference here, I'm testing things in a game. In this game an item can have up to 6 affixes on it -- 3 prefixes, 3 suffixes. For this experiment's purposes it has to have a minimum of 4 affixes.

As you may realize, there are combinations of ways to get these.

For example - if it has 4 affixes, you can have 3 prefixes 1 suffix, 2 prefixes 2 suffix, or 1 prefix 3 suffixes.

There are also weightings for prefix vs. suffixes. What I want to determine is a rough formula that correlates this weighting ratio of prefixes to suffixes to the % chance of getting 3pre1suf, 2pre2suf, or 1pre3suf for example. 2 pictures of data collected to follow along with what I think I'm supposed to do.
This is the result of 500 "rolls" on an item that had a prefix to suffix weighting ratio of 1:1.39. As you can see, it decently weights towards having more suffixes than prefixes. I noticed this and decided to experiment further.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472867163330576384/578301940237074434/unknown.png

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The most offset weighting I could find was a ratio of 1:2.61. This is the result of 500 rolls of that item. It's CLEARLY heavily influenced (3% of the 4-affix results were 3pre1suf compared to 71.5% being 1pre3suf)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472867163330576384/578302129119428610/unknown.png

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So what I think I should do to approximate this is find the extremes for ratios on both ends, gather data at maybe 10 total points with equidistant ratios, and graph how many of each prefix-suffix combination occur for each. From there, I could approximate a trendline.

So the main question is, is that an appropriate way of going about this? If yes, how many total ratios should I test? If no, how should I go about this?

frigid nova May 15, 2019, 8:34 PM

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This is a question I've thought a lot about and would be happy to discuss with you.

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There is a lot to be said so I'll just pm you directly.

simple ravine May 15, 2019, 10:58 PM

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I believe it's simply the spawn_weight in combination with probabilistic theory.
Mods are added to the item procedurally, eliminating any mod_group conflicts.
Bear in mind that there are also tags applied for some mods which "modifies" the spawn_weight of mod N+1

livid fable May 15, 2019, 10:59 PM

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yeah @simple ravine had a very long conversation with nick about it. Think we figured it out for the most part.

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i appreciate the input

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actually, do you know of any mods that have tags that modify the spawn weight other mods without completely eliminating them besides the caster/attack groups?

simple ravine May 15, 2019, 11:01 PM

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not on top of my head, sorry. those are the two main ones.

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but i believe there are some added ones the past couple of seasons

livid fable May 15, 2019, 11:02 PM

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np. figured id ask while you were here. i'll take a look into that

simple ravine May 15, 2019, 11:02 PM

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check if RePoE json data has those tags

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https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE/tree/master/data

GitHub

brather1ng/RePoE

Repository of Path of Exile data for tool developers - brather1ng/RePoE

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https://raw.githubusercontent.com/brather1ng/RePoE/master/data/mods.json

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yep

serene grove May 16, 2019, 10:04 PM

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I was thinking about creating some sort of interactive leveling guide, offering both generic default guides fit for all classes, but also specialized guides for each ascendancy and multiple builds, including the ability for people to actually create and share their own guides.
I'm however rather inexperienced in coding or modding of any kind and don't know if there are any resources I might use? Much like Path of Leveling for example, the guide would require a library of gems and perhaps gear items too. Does such a library already exist in a why that I might incorporate in, say, spreadsheets?

hushed relic May 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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@compact isle Hey Novynn, sorry for poking you directly,

I've been thinking about upgrading our lil' website www.filterblade.xyz . Currently it uses a anonymous online storage system and a local storage system to store user filter presets.
I've seen that one website (PoEMap) is using OATH2 to identify their users and imo that'd be the ideal way to go for filterblade as well.

Is there any chance we could connect filterbalde to the PoE-OATH-System to identify our users?

velvet fog May 17, 2019, 10:46 PM

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@hushed relic feel free to flick an email to roryv@grindinggear.com with your details / requirements

hushed relic May 17, 2019, 10:56 PM

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oh, that's rory?

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alright, thanks will do

compact isle May 18, 2019, 2:11 AM

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there are multiple Rory's, I'm usually just "Novynn"

livid fable May 18, 2019, 2:17 AM

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So I've made a most likely exceptionally shitty python script for pulling counts of mods from a text file that had several thousand rolls of items stored in there. I have literally never touched python and am trying to learn, so this was mostly made through google fu and trial and error.

Would appreciate it if anyone who actually knows python could tell me

Why it is bad
How to improve it
How to implement something like determining whether the item rolled 4, 5, or 6 affixes
How to implement something to determine how many prefixes and suffixes the item rolled.

I suspect I could do 3 and 4 by adding prefix/suffix counts that reset with each loop maybe? Not quite sure though. Ty for any help

📎 Mod_Count.py

livid fable May 18, 2019, 4:16 AM

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update: i have slightly improved my shitty tool

pseudo ocean May 18, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Can you also send the 4000.txt? I'll show you an improved version of the code afterwards

livid fable May 18, 2019, 9:23 AM

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@pseudo ocean

📎 4000.txt

grave wren May 18, 2019, 1:02 PM

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@livid fable i think youre looking for something like this for 3.:

# define pattern between chars, in your case: new line, &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&, new line
def parse_item_string(file_name, delimiter='\n&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&\n'):
    with open(file_name) as f:
        content = f.read()
        # get all items in a single string, split at the delimiter to get the single item string
        return content.split(delimiter)


def parse_item(item_str, delimiter='\n--------\n'):
    item_blocks = item_str.split(delimiter)
    # items consist of multiple blocks delimited by newline '--------' newline
    print(item_blocks)
    #get each item's mods line by line (mods are always last, thus -1)
    item_mods = item_blocks[-1].split('\n')
    print(item_mods)


if __name__ == '__main__':
    #obtain item_string list from 4000.txt
    items = parse_item_string('4000.txt')
   #parse the first item from the list above
    parse_item(items[0])

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Output is:

python/playground/poe/demo_2.py
['ï»¿Rarity: Rare\nPain Refuge\nSplintered Tower Shield', 'Chance to Block: 24%\nArmour: 10 (augmented)', 'Sockets: B R ', 'Item Level: 1', '10% increased Armour\n1 Life Regenerated per second\n+6% to Cold Resistance\n19% increased Stun and Block Recovery\n']
['10% increased Armour', '1 Life Regenerated per second', '+6% to Cold Resistance', '19% increased Stun and Block Recovery', '']

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for 4. you have to estimate whether its a pre or suffix depending on available rolls, nothing like that is 100% accurate besides having the infos GGG has with advanced tooltips

grave wren May 18, 2019, 5:38 PM

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I just went with his dataset of clipboard items

golden bane May 19, 2019, 8:49 PM

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@livid fable Some suggestions:

Variables are written snake_case, constants CAPITALIZED_SNAKE_CASE. For further information on styling, refer to the almighty PEP8
For "initializing" integers for use with augmented operators, = int() is the clearest approach
When dealing with resources, context managers like with open() as f: clean up after you, e.g. close files automatically once they are no longer used
Redefining line saves no memory in Python, it sacrifices clarity instead
For case-insensitive string matching, use string.casefold() instead of string.lower()
words should be named word instead
string.find() is for finding the index of a substring. If you just need to know if the substring is contained, use the in keyword instead
For maximum reusability, split your code into modular functions
if __name__ == "__main__" only runs your code when you execute the file directly, allowing future library use

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https://gist.github.com/ppoelzl/bb6ea0cfbeb1145e36069711e11120fd

Gist

mod_count.py

GitHub Gist: instantly share code, notes, and snippets.

livid fable May 19, 2019, 8:50 PM

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@golden bane I will look into what all of this means when I get a chance, I appreciate it.

simple ravine May 19, 2019, 9:01 PM

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python doesn't have any scope like using for auto-cleaning up resources like C# does right?

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would be a pretty good addition if not

golden bane May 19, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Most of the time it doesn't matter, but if you need something like that you can always just define your own context manager

simple ravine May 19, 2019, 9:02 PM

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in C# we do

using (var fs = new FileStream(fileName))
{
    // Do things here
}

// fs will be closed and disposed here,
// even if exceptions are thrown inside.

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and it's pretty common to do stuff like this:

using (var fs = new FileStream(fileName))
using (var sr = new BinaryReader(fs))
{
    // Do things here
}

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because this is messy:

try
{
    var fs = new FileStream(fileName);
    var br = new BinaryReader(fs);
    // do stuff..
}
catch (Exception ex)
{
    // handle stuff
}
finally
{
    br.Dispose();
    fs.Dispose();
}

golden bane May 19, 2019, 9:07 PM

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In Python, you would do something like this for other file objects than files as well:

from contextlib import contextmanager

@contextmanager
def open_file(path, mode):
    the_file = open(path, mode)
    yield the_file
    the_file.close()

files = []

for x in range(100000):
    with open_file('foo.txt', 'w') as infile:
        files.append(infile)

for f in files:
    if not f.closed:
        print('not closed')

simple ravine May 19, 2019, 9:08 PM

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contextlib/contextmanager is built into python or an external thing?

golden bane May 19, 2019, 9:08 PM

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stdlib

simple ravine May 19, 2019, 9:09 PM

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I presume that's something that comes with python?

golden bane May 19, 2019, 9:09 PM

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yeah, just the standard library, my bad

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it's there

simple ravine May 19, 2019, 9:11 PM

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hmm yeah that works, could make interesting things with that I presume

golden bane May 19, 2019, 9:11 PM

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However, in Python you still have to handle exceptions

simple ravine May 19, 2019, 9:11 PM

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how would that work in async contexts though?

golden bane May 19, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Can't do it in the context manager, as it doesn't do anything between the calls to __enter__() and __exit__()

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from contextlib import asynccontextmanager

simple ravine May 19, 2019, 9:13 PM

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that's one of my biggest issues with most popular languages, that the async story is a bit of an after thought

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to be fair, python is a grandpa with a great come-back story

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oh wait, 1990... I thought it was older

golden bane May 19, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Python async support is pretty good, it even has it's own keyword

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The asyncio standard library brings stuff like async def and async with keywords

simple ravine May 19, 2019, 9:21 PM

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still feels like an after thought, being something you import

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for C# for an example, it's syntactic sugar that the compiler then takes care of

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e.g. it's first-class citizen in the language

golden bane May 19, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Python imports are costly and async / asyncio draw in a lot of them

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Plus almost nobody writes async code in Python

simple ravine May 19, 2019, 9:24 PM

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I guess it's apparent that I don't fancy Python much heh. I have grown some respect for it, but it's still in my opinion an inferior language/environment. But there's a lot of interesting built with Python

golden bane May 19, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Well, there is nothing inferior about it. It doesn't even try to compete with C#

simple ravine May 19, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Right. I don't intend contesting or argue the case, and I fully respect people who develop with Python 🙂

simple ravine May 20, 2019, 12:13 AM

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yeah, I think both Java and .NET Core will handle threading better, which is surprising considering its popularity with data scientists.

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but hey, it's better than PHP at least 😄

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is there a "pypy" and "pypy-stm"?

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ah ok

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Also, numpy is one of those things that you really want to use if you're calculation heavy, I assume?

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and then I've stumbled upon 'pandas', but I presume that's more for data scienty stuff

frigid nova May 20, 2019, 12:23 AM

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iirc, numpy handles broadcasting and tensor operations really well because it pushes all of iteration down to the level of c.

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Writing some tensor operation in python versus just having numpy broadcast it has pretty wild timing improvements.

simple ravine May 20, 2019, 12:24 AM

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yeah I can imagine

frigid nova May 20, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Ultimately though python is still pretty slow at some things - I struggled a lot with trying to get fast pseudo random number generation in python

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its wildly slow compared to C counterparts

simple ravine May 20, 2019, 12:25 AM

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one thing I like with .NET Core is that they're hard on pushing performance stuff, utilizing hardware intrinsics where possible, and because it's JITed, detecting features is free

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isn't that numpy?

frigid nova May 20, 2019, 12:26 AM

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@earnest radish yeah that was going to be my next attempt was to use cython to import the random number generation directly.

simple ravine May 20, 2019, 12:26 AM

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or you mean, write your number crunching operations in c your self?

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i'll stick with c# 😛

chrome topaz May 20, 2019, 12:27 AM

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whenever I had a problem with python being too slow and tried pypy, it was even slower...

frigid nova May 20, 2019, 12:27 AM

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yeah I've stumbled across that before xanthics, the general moral is numpy.random is much faster for generating single randoms, while numpy is better for doing batch generation.

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@earnest radish which classes?

simple ravine May 20, 2019, 12:28 AM

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is it pseudo-random or crypto-random?

frigid nova May 20, 2019, 12:28 AM

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its just using mersenne twister iirc

simple ravine May 20, 2019, 12:31 AM

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at work, I draw too many boxes with lines between them while talking to customers

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but that can be fun too, i guess

frigid nova May 20, 2019, 12:32 AM

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personally I've always really enjoyed teaching, but it's definitely a different set of tools to industry coding. What kind of frontend experience were they looking for?

simple ravine May 20, 2019, 12:33 AM

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heh yeah, mine are a little different, but hey.. to boxes!

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i played around with the new css grid thing... looks pretty cool

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Selenium is a headless browser thing used for e2e teseting

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or UI testing

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should be easy enough to learn if you have a good foundation, I guess

chrome topaz May 20, 2019, 12:38 AM

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just put it on your resume, they're only gonna ask you to invert a binary tree in the interview anyway

mortal bone May 20, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Na, they ask you to do FizzBuzz these days

noble siren May 21, 2019, 1:25 AM

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we consider inverting a binary tree as a leaked interview question here, lol

chrome topaz May 21, 2019, 3:36 AM

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where?

elfin flume May 21, 2019, 8:49 AM

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@compact isle Can we register for oAuth Provider anywhere at the moment?

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I run several Discord Bots that use POESESSID (primary one is stash-tab-runner to output stash tab modifications to discord)

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The other one used to use it as last_online was available on the website and we did cool graphs with user data but GGG seemed to of removed that field from being available in 3.6

velvet fog May 21, 2019, 8:59 AM

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@elfin flume flick an email to roryv@grindinggear.com with your details / requirements about OAuth

elfin flume May 21, 2019, 9:10 AM

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cheers

tidal nova May 21, 2019, 4:27 PM

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wasn't sure if this had been posted yet

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https://pob.party/

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can't import links yet, but still, pob in a browser, hellz yeah

worthy cape May 21, 2019, 9:00 PM

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@tidal nova I believe some of the responsible people hang here 😃

tidal nova May 21, 2019, 9:02 PM

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@worthy cape plz point me in their direction! i play on a mac pro via GeForce Now, and it's the only way I've been able to use PoB successfully!

worthy cape May 21, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Judging by search, it's our good buddy xyz?

mortal bone May 21, 2019, 9:29 PM

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rip passive skill trees

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there are jewels that can corrupt the tree lol

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sounds like a pain in the ass

chrome topaz May 21, 2019, 9:51 PM

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wonder if we'll get support in pob

frigid nova May 21, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Ziggy's video says each jewel has a seed which changes its effect on the tree?

queen oriole May 21, 2019, 10:13 PM

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it shouldn't be too bad depending how they are in the dat files

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 12:32 AM

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I would recommend watching Baeclast #40, Jonathan shows some debug overlays, commands, and an attack animation preview tool 😃

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huggles his single-frame-step key in the video player

velvet fog May 22, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Every jewel can end up scrambling your passives tree a certain way. The clue is a particular “seed number” when you read the jewel’s description. It would say something along the lines of: “A battle occurred in year <X>,” where X is the seed number itself. Each seed has different effects for particular sections of the passives tree. I’ve been told that there are thousands of possible results, and you’ll just have to trade to get the type of effects/seed number that you want.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Lol

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That will be fun

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 1:27 AM

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the "historic" mod line is one aspect

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i'm assuming the base is another (including help text)

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so long as you can see the exact values via alt text and it's not some modulus there could be a way

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Looks like the base might limit the mods on the jewel

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Like the one annouced might only work in certain sockets

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 1:30 AM

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there's new socket specific code?

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Because of the stats it modifies

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 1:30 AM

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oh you mean it'll only be effective in certain sockets

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 1:30 AM

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Yeah

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5 jewels is weird

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 1:31 AM

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one for each legion faction

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Yeah

hazy fog May 22, 2019, 3:57 AM

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mmm 9999 seeds *5

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gonna be fun to code

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glad it's not my job

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 5:24 AM

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i hope the PRNG algorithm gets released

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all it's going to be is determining how each seed affects nodes (ie, is it a stat transform, a random roll, the order each node gets assigned something). also going to be a pain to see what happens when two overlap

deft jolt May 22, 2019, 6:40 AM

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ggg isn't exactly known for its transparency in game mechanics

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:54 AM

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hopefully it's not something you have to figure out by using a debugger on poe, haven't used an assembly debugger in forever

fallow zinc May 22, 2019, 10:47 AM

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with those jewels, I imagine their effects are different depending on the jewel slot too... so all those 1000s of combinations are then multiplied yet again

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but it wouldn't be poe with the need for an external site/tool, right? 😄

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"I found a jewel, let's see what it does and where it's good before pricing it"

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"I want a jewel that does X, let's see what seed number matches that need for slot Y"

frigid nova May 22, 2019, 6:27 PM

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@queen oriole is it known if two can overlap?

severe lark May 22, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Lol 😂 I was like whose pinging me lol.

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 6:30 PM

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@frigid nova have to wait until we can see another jewel, historic might be the same mod for all legion jewels and all are limited to 1

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i'm starting to think historic is going to be the same mod on other jewels

frigid nova May 22, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Also inb4 they just hardcode 9999 seeds into the .dat file 😛

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 6:30 PM

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at least 5173 seeds

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for the vaal one

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unless they don't start at 1 for whatever random reason

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 6:33 PM

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just because the number is 5173 there doesnt mean there has to be a 5172

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 6:37 PM

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i could understand starting above 1 but do you really think GGG is "random" enough to make a mod that rolls numbers in ranges that start at 5173?

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 6:55 PM

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no, but I think there is a possibility that not all numbers between 1 and 5173 (or whatever the max is) are "rollable"

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:32 PM

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@simple ravine , that would be really weird then because the mod system generally works by rolling between number ranges, and there's no functional point to have a range of 1000-2000 and then 3000-5000 etc if it's producing a random output

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if there was some deterministic reason to separate the ranges it would be much better to just put as another mod

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or by jewels

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:37 PM

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eh

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a simple mathematical formula would suffice to achieve that

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like, prime numbers, sin/cos/tan

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divisible by 3 or whatever u want

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:41 PM

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so what is the point of having ranges

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multiple ranges that is instead of a flat range

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:41 PM

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what is the point of the whole number thing in the first place?

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:41 PM

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it's a seed

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for a PRNG presumably

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:41 PM

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i get that.

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but why?

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:42 PM

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to manipulate the tree by assigning random properties to nodes

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:42 PM

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what I mean is

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why would they present it in this way to the player?

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:43 PM

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because if you do get a matching seed you could actually know what the outcome is

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:43 PM

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i give up

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:44 PM

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are you assuming some pattern is gonna exist based on the values itself?

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instead of it being actually random

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:44 PM

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what i wanted to lead you to is

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why would GGG want to present a seed number to the player?

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to confuse and make something mysterious obviously

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:45 PM

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what

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:45 PM

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not to provide a strange yet deterministic item

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:46 PM

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well i'll disagree with that then

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if they really want to confuse players just hide the seed

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would make it just as confusing and mysterious

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even more actually since you wouldn't actually be able to make tangible comparisons

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at least without memory hacking to get the actual mod value

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:48 PM

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either way, assume there are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 - 5173+

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1, 6, 11, 17 etc could be the same thing

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or something like that

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51 could be one seed, and 73 another

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:48 PM

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that would go against their statement saying there are thousands of possibilities

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if it's a modulus then there aren't actually thousands of possibilities

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i mean it could have been a lie but i'm not assuming that right now

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:49 PM

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well there are other permutation coefficients

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like tree placement, base item type etc

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:49 PM

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then the seed would matter

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and not the same thing

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wait by what you mean

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then it's still not thousands

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:50 PM

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yes

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:50 PM

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the number of slots on the tree is like 21/22 jewel slots

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you would still need at least a couple hundred combinations

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:51 PM

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i'm trying to explain it to you in multiple ways

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whatever

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how many jewel slots are there?

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:51 PM

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21/22 something around there

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:53 PM

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5 (base item types) * 21 (jewel slots) * 25 (seed variations, example assumption) = 2,625

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:53 PM

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wasn't it thousands of possiblities per jewel?

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like specific legion types had thousands of possibilites each

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:53 PM

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you're the one who are saying that, not me

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i am just trusting your word on that

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:54 PM

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yeah so it's at least 100 seed variations regardless like i said, still hundreds

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well 96

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since 2000/21 to qualify as "thousands"

simple ravine May 22, 2019, 7:55 PM

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well... I guess we'll see

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and unlikely know for sure

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 7:55 PM

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i think it'll be easy to know for sure, someone's going to buy a ton of these jewels

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and you can probably divine them

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if you really think that the number of unique mods for a single jewel base is low, then eventually you'll pigeonhole into the same jewel

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same effective jewel modifications

grave wren May 22, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Jewel Nº 5 - best modifier for the situated exile

frigid nova May 22, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Oh divining them will be very interesting 🤔

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 8:19 PM

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It sounds like the seed is based on the nodes that the jewel can affect

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It has to be a somewhat deterministic since the client will need to know how to change the tree

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 8:27 PM

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hm, doesn't a jewel affect every node in radius since all the icons change?

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i guess it'd be nice to have been shown a node aside from the frenzy charge getting changed since we don't know

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could just be visual

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 8:53 PM

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it appears that everything in a radius is converted to x node type

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actually, I think I am wrong about that

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https://web.poecdn.com/image/legion/Panel5.jpg?1558405914879

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some of the notables have been converted to one node and some to another, same with the pathing nodes

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https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/brft7i/announcing_path_of_exile_legion/eoe2wc9/

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 9:10 PM

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right now based on that post, i'm assuming it's going to be some PRNG transform function on the graphId/nodeId/some new uniqueId on each PassiveSkills entry, and the transform is completely unrelated to what the node actually currently is. also assuming the mod pool for transformations of a specific jewel type is a new table, with a different pool for keystone/notable/small.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 9:13 PM

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it looks like it only takes into account what type of node it is

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keystone/notable/normal convert, mastery & jewel socket don't convert

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 9:14 PM

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pretty much, i hope it doesn't end up requiring memory debugging/decompiling to figure out the algorithm

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there's one place the algorithm might leak out without needing that but i'll keep silent about that

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 9:15 PM

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It seems like they want to keep the algorithm a secret as long as possible

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also, if this is on the website, then it should be easy to figure out

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easier*

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 9:16 PM

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yeah that's what i was guessing, the passive-skill-tree page might leak it

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 9:17 PM

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even if it doesn't have it directly, you can run all the combos through the service giving the information back to the website

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 9:18 PM

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you'd still have to equip stuff in game to update the page right?

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 9:19 PM

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depends on how it is implemented. It is possible that you would have to do that

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I am not really a fan of attaching a debugger ¯_(ツ)_/¯

queen oriole May 22, 2019, 9:20 PM

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me neither, but it might be the only way

crimson epoch May 22, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Is there a comprehensive list of poe.ninja API endpoints for item tracking? I found bits and pieces of them through Googling, but I still have no idea how to retrieve item overviews for Hardcore Synthesis league, for example (i can do it for standard, hardcore, and softcore synthesis)

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Upside of 4k monitor and not being arsed figuring out DPI scaling - you can fit a lot of information in a tool screen :D
https://i.imgur.com/Z1zt3g5.png

Imgur

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 9:45 PM

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hideout stuff?

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Aye.

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Started looking at the hideout.arm files and yakshaved into parsing every single one of the 18.5k ARM files.

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Working my way up through the versions of the file format, got some idea what version 29 (current) entails, and have gotten through v14-v21's structure.

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Now alternating between parsing additional versions and trying to figure out the meaning of the k-entry fields.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 9:49 PM

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damn man

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you have a full example of the k_x_by_y?

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 9:51 PM

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The first two fields are the width and height of a larger tile that the K-type entry covers. k_1_by_1 describes the shape of the k_x_by_y section.

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https://gist.github.com/zao/2af369f185d3498695a91ea24de25470

Gist

Metadata@Terrain@Act2@Area2@Rooms@doorcliff.arm

GitHub Gist: instantly share code, notes, and snippets.

crimson epoch May 22, 2019, 9:52 PM

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nvm, I've analyzed google chrome's devtools network tab to see the exact http requests being made from the poe.ninja API (example with currency overview for hardcore synthesis flashback: https://poe.ninja/api/data/currencyoverview?league=Synthesis%20Event%20HC%20(SRE002)&type=Currency)

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 9:52 PM

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n cells are placeholders that a k entry covers, s seems to be some sort of empty space. f I haven't figured out yet.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 9:53 PM

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could be connection points?

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 9:53 PM

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I ran some statistics over all the fields of K-entries and they seem to lump up in groups of four, so I'm guessing some sort of adjacency.

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The plan now is to visualise them and see if they make sense by eye.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 9:54 PM

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I know, from one of chris' past talks, that they have a map of every connection point, but it was 3 on each side

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Hard to get a feeling for them in the original textual representation as they're 23 fields wide (24 in later versions).

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Once I have vis up I can also start comparing ARM files corresponding to known locations in game and see if there's any hints.

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Hideouts, boss arenas, etc.

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I've also got a tool that runs in the command line shotgunning my parser across all the files in the GGPK to spot files that don't parse right.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 9:59 PM

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https://youtu.be/GcM9Ynfzll0?t=86

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that might be helpful

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Right now I've run everything against a Content.ggpk snapshot from 2019-03-31, but I've got the preseeds torrent GGPKs from Betrayal, Synthesis, 3.2.0 and 3.0.0 lying around.

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Do you know if there were anything significant missing from those pre-launch GGPKs?

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:00 PM

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looks like I might be wrong about the connections

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they might just be N,E,S,W

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 10:00 PM

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You see lines 12-15 in the ARM file? There are 2 * width * height such lines.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Yeah, they try and remove anything that chuanhsing will post

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 10:00 PM

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I'm suspecting those are borders/connection entries of some sort.

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Err, not width * height, the dimensions on line 8.

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So probably not borders at all, I had that wrong.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:01 PM

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in your screenshot or the gist?

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 10:02 PM

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a_upair and c_uipairs in the screenshot.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:02 PM

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ah, I see 0, 0 pairs

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 10:02 PM

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I used to think a_upair was the dimensions of the K-block, but that only held for the first fistful of files I parsed.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:04 PM

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in the gist, line 25, 26

k 1 2 1 0 1 0 1 3 6 6 1 3 6 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 s s
n s s

are those meant to be on 1 line?

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 10:05 PM

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They are verbatim from the ARM file, they're supposed to be separate.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:05 PM

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that feels so weird

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25 also has s s at the end there

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 10:07 PM

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They make sense if you group them up like:

(k 1 2 1 0 1 0 1 3 6 6 1 3 6 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2) (s) (s)
(n) (s) (s)

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The understanding I have there is that the k-entry there is a 1-wide 2-high tile that also covers the n below.

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Across all my files, that seems to hold.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:08 PM

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ah, ok cool

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the fact that 27 and 28 are clumped together is weird though if they are split between 2 lines

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 10:10 PM

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27 starts with a 1x1 k-entry, 28 starts with a 3x3 k-entry.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Oh, I see.

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n n
n n n
n n n

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 10:13 PM

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k.s.s
| . .
n.s.s
. . .
k.s.s
. . .
k-n-n
| | |
n-n-n
| | |
n-n-n

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:13 PM

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this tool on your github?

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Not yet.

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Lots of hardcoded paths too.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:14 PM

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haha np

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 10:14 PM

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The older parser is up on gitlab, but butchered it a bit to be able to use it as a lib for the vis.

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I do intend to continue writing up my format specs.

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Still a lot of guesswork and placeholder names all over the place ^^

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I wonder how much of my animation format work I need to scrap now with 3.7.0's new animation system 😃

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:15 PM

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probably most of it lol

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 10:16 PM

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I really like that the asset preview tool that was shown in the Baeclast seems to use Dear ImGui for the interface.

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Time to hit the sack soon, thanks for the discussion.

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Sure thing

obtuse citrus May 22, 2019, 10:35 PM

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@worthy cape: they started deleting .dat files from preload ggpk at some point

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and they are afaik based on some earlier build before the release, not necessarily the one that will be playable

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So they might be some changes still between prerelease ggpk and the actual patch

worthy cape May 22, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Final progress shot before I actually go to bed 👀 https://i.imgur.com/SY9OU0p.png

Imgur

mortal bone May 22, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Visually rendering the k s s and k n n stuff?

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Not sure I see anything in that kind of just a blob

worthy cape May 23, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Yeah, just wanted to see how much I could get out of a UI grid before I start rendering things properly.

worthy cape May 23, 2019, 4:10 AM

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That video was a lovely re-find, I had forgotten completely about it.

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Got me spelunking in the data dirs, there's both master.tsi as some sort of tileset info, and tiles.tst specifying a lot about the tileset, referencing a ton of binary tdt files, which have strings referring to et/gt files.

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What a web 😃

mortal bone May 23, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Yeah, I like that video a lot. Their terrain generator is amazing

worthy cape May 23, 2019, 4:23 AM

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I see later on that the connectivity arrows are not always centered in the ForestWall set. Interesting.

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The terrain generator has a reference to an .et file when they place the wall spline too, so they are at least inputs into the generator.

gloomy idol May 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Anyone able to help with a problem i have with PyPoe?

worthy cape May 23, 2019, 5:17 AM

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Why do I even keep this 128 megabyte JSON file around... all it does is crash VS Code.

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@gloomy idol Probably not, what ails you?

rough flare May 23, 2019, 5:26 AM

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@worthy cape i tried using both the ui and cli and i keep geting things like "ValueError: Did not find data magic number in "Mods.dat"" when i try to view a file.

worthy cape May 23, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Odd. What game version are you looking at? The magic number is present in my 3.6.5 file at least, haven't tried pypoe.

rough flare May 23, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Do you need the stand alone client version and not steam?

worthy cape May 23, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Mods.dat is identical between my Steam and Standalone packs.

velvet fog May 23, 2019, 5:42 AM

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do you use latest version of Content.ggpk?

rough flare May 23, 2019, 5:45 AM

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How can i tell it's latest version?

velvet fog May 23, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Run PathOfExile.exe once

worthy cape May 23, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Just installed PyPoE here, loads Data/Mods.dat after a long long wait.

rough flare May 23, 2019, 5:49 AM

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Yea, i got PyPoe to work on another computer. Gave not been able to open Mods.dat yet as it makes the UI unresponsive. But i can open the other files at least.

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Trying to get a useable Object list for affixes. Tried using RePoe with it's json. But it didn't have mods set up good enough to use to convert POE stash API affixes to objects with teirs and all that.

rough flare May 23, 2019, 6:12 AM

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If anyone knows how to map the mods and stuff from PyPoe or RePoe to "+35% to Lightning Resistance" hit me up.

mild lava May 23, 2019, 10:38 AM

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@timid hemlock #PathOfBuilding in path of building some watchers eye rolls are still missing and 3 stat watchers would be nice. Additionally in the config section a checkbox with arcane surge would be nice.

obtuse citrus May 23, 2019, 11:55 AM

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Doomruller try: http://omegak2.net/poe/PyPoE/_autosummary/PyPoE.poe.file.translations.html#PyPoE.poe.file.translations.TranslationFile.reverse_translation

outer spoke May 23, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Is acquisition working well for others?
Price and everything gets updated on my forum shop but trade sites don't show any change

compact isle May 23, 2019, 10:31 PM

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I fixed a bug this morning that was affecting the GGG site, but it won't have impacted poe.trade or anything

pseudo ocean May 24, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Im a nobody but just wanted to mention that in the small video clip uploaded to PoE official YT channel 1 hour ago has clips with Bottled Faith in inventory. It has been announced Bottled Faith will not be in 3.7 onward? So redo of the video maybe?

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Delete that if you feel it shouldnt be here. Just not sure who to mention to incase the clips actually do need looking at

compact isle May 24, 2019, 3:08 AM

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you can always post any feedback to support@grindinggear.com and it'll filter down to the correct people

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definitely a better place to mention it than #tooldev-general

pseudo ocean May 24, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Ok thank you. Sorry about that

rough flare May 24, 2019, 5:22 AM

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@obtuse citrus I tried setting up the module but could not get it working. Mind showing a simple example of how to use it?

rough flare May 24, 2019, 6:47 AM

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I was trying things like pprint.pprint(tf.reverse_translation("+312 to Accuracy Rating")) but couldn't get it to work.

obtuse citrus May 24, 2019, 12:42 PM

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Seems like there was a problem specific to strings starting with values

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I fixed that

frigid thorn May 24, 2019, 6:51 PM

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@worthy cape What are you working on for a tool? 😃

worthy cape May 24, 2019, 6:53 PM

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@frigid thorn Ultimate lofty dream goal - Custom hideout viewer (in VR?).

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Right now, figuring out the ARM files that describe hideouts and bigger tiled set pieces.

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And along the way, a Rust library to grok all the file types there are in a GGPK.

frigid thorn May 24, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Oh, sounds lovely!

mortal bone May 24, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Finally finished getting all the skill trees I have up and running

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http://poeskilltree.com/?v={1.1.0->3.6.0}

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you can add &c={1.1.0->3.6.0} to the end and compare the trees (i.e. http://poeskilltree.com/?v=3.6.0&c=1.1.0)

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known issue: maximum skill points will always display 121 and maximum ascendancy skill points with display 8 even though they have varied over time.

If you have data from before 1.1.0 let me know, and I will add it. I have a lot of json from pre 1.0, but I don't have any assets.
https://github.com/EmmittJ/SkillTree_TypeScript/tree/master/data

earnest ledge May 25, 2019, 3:36 AM

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nice tool, awesome being able to look at the old trees

earnest ledge May 25, 2019, 6:13 AM

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@chrome topaz just learned about pob.party, awesome site you made. Just added a link to it in PoBPreviewBot replies

grave wren May 25, 2019, 6:22 AM

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did you make the reddit bot?

earnest ledge May 25, 2019, 6:22 AM

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yes

grave wren May 25, 2019, 6:22 AM

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ah cool, @hazy fog one tooldev please